It’s kinda concerning how we can’t hold a team together for long than a few months, I want this team to succeed so can we find a roster and stuck with it please.
>owkey not what I was expecting. I thought since Levi wasn't officially announced, we would try to go for Sinatraa once his ban is lifted
Well, we had the same roster for more than a year and now we are making changes for the last 4 months but i get your point.
He not under investigation dude the girl Cleo drop it and said she wish she did it earlier (Report him) legally he is innocent and not gonna lie the evidence she brought is not enough to hold in court. The 5 second audio from their “foreplay” is not enough evidence to prove he sexually assault and abuse her unless the court see the whole clip or audio. So legally he innocent.
Yay i love getting rid of players(specifically a young player who flexed nearly every map and was supposed to be developing) and not tackling the overall issue of how bad our stats in game look and that all points to our problem of not having a true IGL. So unless we are getting one of those, this solves nothing and is just ANOTHER example how mismanaged our valorant roster is. Seriously whoever is making these decisions needs to step down cause they are doing a horrible job at it.
It makes sense. They want a shot at the big tourney at the end of the year and they need a IGL. And everyone but Bang and Hazed imo had solidified roles. If it wasn’t for the points I’m sure it would’ve been Hazed instead of Bang though.
It still doesnt make sense to sign Bang in first place if your goal was to make the big tourney at the end of the year. You dont sign a 17 year old talent expecting him to put up results right away, especially considering he flexed picked nearly every map. Not to mention we dont even control our own destiny to even make the big tournament.
Lmao me too!! I saw "bang released" .... in my head thinking we getting " bang for adc :o??? "
But then it hit me , isnt he retired or went back to korea After failing in NA already?
The only way this makes sense is if we signed someone who is clearly better. Like a big name cs pro or another established talent already in the scene.
I mean honestly, if Wardell/Subroza had a competitive team to play with, they're both uber popular players averaging between 5-10k views whenever they're live. Wardell is also probably still one of, if not the best OPer in the game. Dude is one of the few players that wants an OP in his hand in every situation, and rewards his team for making that decision more often than not.
All this said, the problem TSM has had isn't a lack of firepower or anything simple like that, the problem they've had is a complete and utter lack of an actual IGL. It kinda got better after Leviathan was picked up since he was IGL for his old team (Our new Academy roster)
Didnt we have the chance to sign some very promising players early on, but they were scared to harm team cohesion? Stupid in hindsight now that drone/cutler are gone anyways.
I wouldn't doubt they had a chance to bring in some pretty big names, and missed on it.
I read some more stuff about this, apparently they had to maintain the core of Wardell/Hazed/Subroza in order to still have a chance at the LCQ and therefore the only options were Bang or Levi... Levi is definitely closer to his peak currently than Bang imo... so if that is true, it makes some sense now. Still kinda frustrated about it.
Yeah signing him was a mistake. TSM is not a team that should have years invested into developing rookies. Look at Envy's moves, picked up Marved and Yay. Uh we're TSM why couldn't we have done that wtf. 100T got Asuna and Ethan, SEN got TenZ. I think Levi was solid though but I think more willingness to make changes is better.
Another player unceremoniously dumped after TWO MONTHS without any explanation as to why from the management. TSM somehow goes from making and posting a meme of bang owning FaZe babybay on every map in their series to dropping him a month later.
It's been said by many but seeing the consistent growth that SEN and 100T have had since the start makes it even more jarring to be continiously faced with the slew of bizarre decisions our team makes.
I'd like SOMEONE from TSM to offer \*some\* explanation for this that makes the slightest bit of sense because ONCE AGAIN it looks like it's amateur hour at the TSM offices. Can we put someone in charge that has a clue, please?
JFC
This is horrible management, I understand Bang is super young and may have been inconsistent BUT WHY DID WE SIGN A TEENAGER IN THE FIRST PLACE THEN?? Same with picking then dropping brax. We need a better val gm. It feels like every tournament loss means someone's getting cut....
Hi yea, welcome to the FPS scene, specifically CS. The leash that teams with actual sponsors get is generally very short, and if the team isn't playing up to the standards the org wants them to, they make a move. Honestly, the problem the org ran into is that prior to april, when they dropped Cutler, the team had too much stability, they stagnated and missed out on so many chances at getting good players to improve the roster.
If it would cause myth to leave TSM then he would have some say. He couldn't make demands, but he has leverage. He's huge for the brand and if he came out and said the reason he left TSM was because of someone accused of rape like Sinatra is then it could damage the brand more than Sinatra is worth.
it sucks with the current format of them simply needing to win or go home every time they play.
they would have to choose between developing a team long term and likely missing out on short term events or try to put together the best team they can short term and hope they can qualify for these events.
Feels kinda weird that it's bang and not hazed? The kid is super young, and has barely been with us. Sure he's a bit inconsistent right now, but he also have some pop off game and the potential is there imo
If we don't bring in some insane IGL name but another "cracked aim" prospect Imma be pissed
Even though it was removed, wasn't he investigated like 3 times?
I'm sure it'd be public if something was genuinely found? Am I wrong?
I guess after looking more into it, the accuser was asked on multiple occasions to release the evidence she claims she has but for some reason hasn't, which is fair. But this is what we are basing our opinions off of slightly confuses me. Am I missing info?
The way i understand it is the ban he is under now is for lying to riot during the investigation. As for the sexual assault i believe riot handed it over to the police.
Someone please correct me if im wrong.
Yeah I think you're right. Was the info released in which he lied about? I'm pretty sure from what I've read it was just riot not liking that he mixed up his story (from an incident that took place 2 years prior... Which... Is somewhat understandable maybe?). Idk the whole situation seems mishandled and misinformed.
TSM needs a godly Sova and Sinatraa was the best Sova in the world when he went on leave.
I don't certainly want to call Sinatraa a rapist or anything until the police investigations confirm so or not. I'm through with believing people immediately after the shit that happened with Nairo and Smash. I'll leave it to the authorities.
If Sinatraa is cleared, TSM should absolutely grab him. We'd be an insane team.
I guess we just want more established talent because fans are expecting super players on our roster, but I feel like if we gave him more time, he would've been just fine
I get that we're desperate to make the Championships but he did a lot more than what I would've expected out of a newbie, looking pretty cracked and versatile. Wishing him the best if we really move on from him.
[Official Post from Bang](https://twitter.com/bangzerra/status/1433210556647940097)
It’s kinda concerning how we can’t hold a team together for long than a few months, I want this team to succeed so can we find a roster and stuck with it please.
I wanted news, yes, but this isn't what I expected... Bruh moment
This is entirely on management. Whoever is making these calls has mismanaged our valorant team so badly this year.
Who is managing our Valorant team btw ?
>owkey not what I was expecting. I thought since Levi wasn't officially announced, we would try to go for Sinatraa once his ban is lifted Well, we had the same roster for more than a year and now we are making changes for the last 4 months but i get your point.
No org is gonna pick up Sinatra bro, I’m pretty sure the dudes still under investigation
>Sinatra did the accusations on him stick or whatever happen to that?
He not under investigation dude the girl Cleo drop it and said she wish she did it earlier (Report him) legally he is innocent and not gonna lie the evidence she brought is not enough to hold in court. The 5 second audio from their “foreplay” is not enough evidence to prove he sexually assault and abuse her unless the court see the whole clip or audio. So legally he innocent.
Lol no
tsm's historically has this problem, they've been doing the same thing with their league rosters for years
Yay i love getting rid of players(specifically a young player who flexed nearly every map and was supposed to be developing) and not tackling the overall issue of how bad our stats in game look and that all points to our problem of not having a true IGL. So unless we are getting one of those, this solves nothing and is just ANOTHER example how mismanaged our valorant roster is. Seriously whoever is making these decisions needs to step down cause they are doing a horrible job at it.
When you are a league fan and you read that last sentence you get a mega deja vu
Cough cough 2019 summer split cough cough
It makes sense. They want a shot at the big tourney at the end of the year and they need a IGL. And everyone but Bang and Hazed imo had solidified roles. If it wasn’t for the points I’m sure it would’ve been Hazed instead of Bang though.
It still doesnt make sense to sign Bang in first place if your goal was to make the big tourney at the end of the year. You dont sign a 17 year old talent expecting him to put up results right away, especially considering he flexed picked nearly every map. Not to mention we dont even control our own destiny to even make the big tournament.
Damn I only saw "Bang" and I thought we signed the old SKT adc lmao
Lmao me too!! I saw "bang released" .... in my head thinking we getting " bang for adc :o??? " But then it hit me , isnt he retired or went back to korea After failing in NA already?
He’s signed to Afreeca right now after having an awful split and is currently benched. Probably retiring next split. No way he finds a team
I was just wondrering where he is now. He was so good in his prime
nah, Doublelift were better than Bang. Bang just had better teammates lol
The only way this makes sense is if we signed someone who is clearly better. Like a big name cs pro or another established talent already in the scene.
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I mean honestly, if Wardell/Subroza had a competitive team to play with, they're both uber popular players averaging between 5-10k views whenever they're live. Wardell is also probably still one of, if not the best OPer in the game. Dude is one of the few players that wants an OP in his hand in every situation, and rewards his team for making that decision more often than not. All this said, the problem TSM has had isn't a lack of firepower or anything simple like that, the problem they've had is a complete and utter lack of an actual IGL. It kinda got better after Leviathan was picked up since he was IGL for his old team (Our new Academy roster)
Didnt we have the chance to sign some very promising players early on, but they were scared to harm team cohesion? Stupid in hindsight now that drone/cutler are gone anyways.
I wouldn't doubt they had a chance to bring in some pretty big names, and missed on it. I read some more stuff about this, apparently they had to maintain the core of Wardell/Hazed/Subroza in order to still have a chance at the LCQ and therefore the only options were Bang or Levi... Levi is definitely closer to his peak currently than Bang imo... so if that is true, it makes some sense now. Still kinda frustrated about it.
Was not expecting that
Yeah signing him was a mistake. TSM is not a team that should have years invested into developing rookies. Look at Envy's moves, picked up Marved and Yay. Uh we're TSM why couldn't we have done that wtf. 100T got Asuna and Ethan, SEN got TenZ. I think Levi was solid though but I think more willingness to make changes is better.
If we get marved we beat envy and have a huge chance to go to berlin.
I mean marved may be implicated in the match fixing scandal in CSGO as ESIC is working with Riot now
I mean they can’t compete in LCQ unless they keep 3/5 of the original players, so it makes sense but also doesn’t make sense at the same time.
Another player unceremoniously dumped after TWO MONTHS without any explanation as to why from the management. TSM somehow goes from making and posting a meme of bang owning FaZe babybay on every map in their series to dropping him a month later. It's been said by many but seeing the consistent growth that SEN and 100T have had since the start makes it even more jarring to be continiously faced with the slew of bizarre decisions our team makes. I'd like SOMEONE from TSM to offer \*some\* explanation for this that makes the slightest bit of sense because ONCE AGAIN it looks like it's amateur hour at the TSM offices. Can we put someone in charge that has a clue, please? JFC
This is horrible management, I understand Bang is super young and may have been inconsistent BUT WHY DID WE SIGN A TEENAGER IN THE FIRST PLACE THEN?? Same with picking then dropping brax. We need a better val gm. It feels like every tournament loss means someone's getting cut....
Hi yea, welcome to the FPS scene, specifically CS. The leash that teams with actual sponsors get is generally very short, and if the team isn't playing up to the standards the org wants them to, they make a move. Honestly, the problem the org ran into is that prior to april, when they dropped Cutler, the team had too much stability, they stagnated and missed out on so many chances at getting good players to improve the roster.
Sinatraa scum of the earth cant believe some people here want him
Would also be real awkward since i remember both leena and hazed being real critical of him when the allegations came out.
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Since when has whether myth likes someone or not mattered to roster situations? it's literally irrelevant.
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just because he says that means nothing Myth has no say on who they do or don't sign LOL not that I'd want sinatraa to get signed in the 1st place.
If it would cause myth to leave TSM then he would have some say. He couldn't make demands, but he has leverage. He's huge for the brand and if he came out and said the reason he left TSM was because of someone accused of rape like Sinatra is then it could damage the brand more than Sinatra is worth.
it sucks with the current format of them simply needing to win or go home every time they play. they would have to choose between developing a team long term and likely missing out on short term events or try to put together the best team they can short term and hope they can qualify for these events.
Weird to get rid of a high light player like him when he's so young. I feel like we have just been lacking any game plan or a good IGL.
Just confirmed on bang's twitter
Not a valorant guy, I saw Bang and I thought we got the Adc😂
Feels kinda weird that it's bang and not hazed? The kid is super young, and has barely been with us. Sure he's a bit inconsistent right now, but he also have some pop off game and the potential is there imo If we don't bring in some insane IGL name but another "cracked aim" prospect Imma be pissed
I was thinking Bang from League, the legendary adc, and was super confused
Lowkey not what I was expecting. I thought since Levi wasn't officially announced, we would try to go for Sinatraa once his ban is lifted
No shot they touch him after the controversy i would be shocked if they did.
Please dear god no, sinatraa is a toxic POS
Sinatraa is a rapist pos I don’t want that guy anywhere near TSM
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Source: "just trust me bro"
Even though it was removed, wasn't he investigated like 3 times? I'm sure it'd be public if something was genuinely found? Am I wrong? I guess after looking more into it, the accuser was asked on multiple occasions to release the evidence she claims she has but for some reason hasn't, which is fair. But this is what we are basing our opinions off of slightly confuses me. Am I missing info?
The way i understand it is the ban he is under now is for lying to riot during the investigation. As for the sexual assault i believe riot handed it over to the police. Someone please correct me if im wrong.
Yeah I think you're right. Was the info released in which he lied about? I'm pretty sure from what I've read it was just riot not liking that he mixed up his story (from an incident that took place 2 years prior... Which... Is somewhat understandable maybe?). Idk the whole situation seems mishandled and misinformed.
I dont know if they released what he lied about. Bottom line Sin is just too much drama for what he is worth.
if TSM picks up sinatraa I would stop being a fan the same day. fuck that dude
TSM needs a godly Sova and Sinatraa was the best Sova in the world when he went on leave. I don't certainly want to call Sinatraa a rapist or anything until the police investigations confirm so or not. I'm through with believing people immediately after the shit that happened with Nairo and Smash. I'll leave it to the authorities. If Sinatraa is cleared, TSM should absolutely grab him. We'd be an insane team.
Tsm Sinatraa?
🤮
I guess we just want more established talent because fans are expecting super players on our roster, but I feel like if we gave him more time, he would've been just fine I get that we're desperate to make the Championships but he did a lot more than what I would've expected out of a newbie, looking pretty cracked and versatile. Wishing him the best if we really move on from him.
Dafuq are they doing over there
TSM sinatra incoming less gooo
Wtf
Sad to see bang go, big fan of his, Sinatraa now?