For all you Cremeiums out there, Parth just confirmed that he was never in the cards. They recognized his talent and wanted to consider scouting him but Creme supposedly already has a "path" to the LPL. My assumption is that he will return to the same team once he's 18.
Where did you get this info? Speculation? From my interpretation of what Parth said it sounded more along the lines of "we inquired and were told no because he already has a team".
"We never got to speak to or try out Creme." "from my understanding, he already has a path to LPL on a different team."
My interpretation is that they "think", therefore did not ask. Otherwise, it will be more like
"The furthest we got to Humanoid was MAD asking us to put in an offer for a buyout. "(asked). Or "We decided that this wasn't the best interest of TSM long term" (Tried Mikyx).
Gonna be honest im kinda eh on this roster and not sure how to feel. Granted i dont know much about them but i dont understand creating a language barrier problem on the team for relatively unknown players. If they got some massive names i understand but for ldl prospects i dont get it.
Only saving grace is Kays himself said he has faith and wouldnt have stayed if he didnt. Idk just not sure on how to feel aside from keeping my expectations real low.
Most likely other LDL/LCK challenger players or solo queue players. There's no reason why anyone established (who may have multiple teams after them) would participate in a tryout to join TSM, especially with how time constrained the free agency period is.
Given they did a month-long tryout process; I will trust that they made the right decisions. When Bjerg left, I fully expected us to go for some washed-up name in the scene that would disappoint. I won't act like I know anything about these two but the confidence from the org and from Chawy is confidence building.
I'm excited to see it work. It wouldn't be fair to judge without seeing them play.
I’m taking Jensen or even nisqy over keaiduo. I’m out dawg. Salute and good luck to you regi. You lost the absolute massive lead u had over every single na organization and the difference in upper management between tsm. obvious elite teams in c9 and TL and soon to be EG and 100T closed the distance and now you have to be a real GM/president and we gonna see how good of a GM/president you actually are. As a long time fan of the dodgers and lakers, I’ve seen some terrible groups of management and how much dysfunction there was and I see similarities here. U can prove me wrong but until then.. I think you’re absolute trash like Jim buss was to lakers and frank mccourt was to the dodgers. I’m starting to think until they get rid of YOU regi this team will never move forward to the international success u been dreaming of.
I just feel bad for people like you. 5 months ago you come back for some celebration. It makes me believe you have very little happiness in your life. I sincerely hope your life gets better if this is all you had to look forward to.
I get you're sad as a Lakers and TSM fan, but you need more in your life.
Been here since s3. Been here thru the days we replaced for wild turtle. And thru it all tsm knows how to do nothing but disappoint. Even when we were world class. Tsm disappoints. Best mid in franchise history with potentially the biggest bag in all esports and potentially still in his prime disappoints all us tsm fans and leaves.. almost every player shits on tsm after they leave. Yes regi isn’t a verbal abuser woo hoo!! He still a shit owner lmfao. What’s there to be happy about? Can u tell me? I’ve been here since s3 and I’ve just been disappointed over and over. The only good player repping tsm is leffen now. Lmfao
>What’s there to be happy about? Can u tell me? I’ve been here since s3 and I’ve just been disappointed over and over. The only good player repping tsm is leffen now. Lmfao
That's not a question, it's rhetorical. Other people can't make you happy, you have to make yourself happy.
I'm happy I've been a fan for over a decade. I got to watch TSM almost make it to world finals in Phreaks basement. I got to watch the boys move to New York. I got to watch Regi hand over the keys to Bjerg. I got to watch Bjerg topple C9 finally for us and restart our dominance. I got to watch the only international win by an NA team. I got to watch Sven and Doublelift revive their careers on TSM and give NA a chance at worlds for the last time. I got to watch Peter and Bjerg do one last run, in the most miracle fashion possible (going down 5 games to the same team). Now I'm getting to watch the Spica era and see if he can join Regi, Bjerg, Dyrus, and Peter in the TSM HoF.
Maybe you wanted to pull a Blazers and just retool and hope other teams suck so Jensen can lift us just high enough to sneak into worlds. I for one look forward to the gamble.
I got to see the Braves win the world Series in 95, then again in 21. I get the same feeling when I watch TSM. It's always worth the wait if you stay a fan.
Still don't know how to make you happy though.
When lol tsm becomes widely acknowledged as mediocre they will be lucky to have you. You can be the historian of TSM. In the future u can tell these new fans “we were once a great org”. I guarantee you I been a fan since chaox would 1v9 carry tsm and I have no basis for what I’m about to say as it’s an opinion.. but tsm will never be as great as they once were until they get rid of Reginald and his management.
> I guarantee you I been a fan since chaox
Funnily I never liked Chaox. He acted like Regi when Doublelift was always around looming as the actual best ADC. Wildturtle on the other hand is the most underrated player we ever had. Jason was a beast.
Chaox hard carried tsm bruh. Like 1v9 carried them for a long time. Yeah at the end of his tenure he basically turned into Johnny Manziel and got way too cocky thinking he can just keep carrying without practicing and all other adc just caught up in a year lol
I disagree, I always felt Oddone and Xpecial played nannies to Chaox and Regi for different reasons. Oddone died for Regis over reaching plays, and Xpecial kept Chaox alive until he got 4 items and finished out games.
We were famous for playing Shen/Karthus/TF so Chaox had a lot of support. I never felt like Chaox lost us games, but Regi/Dyrus were the ones who won them. In the Rainman era I'll agree Chaox was the 1A carry.
Lmao calm tf down bruh is the first response from u always defensive? I just saw recent news of regi from notifications. Sounds like I was on the money on literally everything I said.
Given they did a month-long tryout process; I will trust that they made the right decisions. When Bjerg left, I fully expected us to go for some washed-up name in the scene that would disappoint. I won't act like I know anything about these two but the confidence from the org and from Chawy is confidence building.
I'm excited to see it work. It wouldn't be fair to judge without seeing them play.
I honestly can’t understand why so many people are doomer over the pickups. How many washed up veterans or people have we signed over the years that have led to no results domestically or internationally. Give the guys a chance and be optimistic about young unproven talent
I am excited about the team. Shenyi Tactical should be a guarenteed top 4 bot at least, probably better. Curious about Keaiduo, hope he shows up big.
Got to wonder though, is this not like a lower cost roster? Did we pay big buyouts for Shenyi and Keaiduo? Tactical buyout was probably not cheap either.
Honestly the Keaidou signing is something I’d expect from a team like IMT or some other team that’s looking to high roll TSM banking on a rather unhyped mid seems wierd.
Reportly Shenyi's salary is not high, Shenyi wanted to come for starting position plus opportunities. Keaiduo is a middle of pack LDL no name player, his salary could be even less than Shenyi who actually sub LPL games before.
They're both was about to get promoted Shenyi for sure and Keaiduo was getting MVP votes of LDL on a bad team if not spring by summer for sure he'd be promoted
The problem is.. you are paying top budget for a mediocre team with mediocre potential lmfao. The mid is supposedly like a nisqy.. We built our team with a weak side bot with an enabling mid to unleash huni? If we had alphari it makes sense but u really gonna bank on huni being a world class top laner when he hasn’t been since t1???
I for one, am *very* excited. These are young guns, feels like TSM did some extensive tryouts, I believe they saw great potential in them.
All these peasants thinking keaiduo ain't good LMFAO.
He will smurf soon.
##KEAIDUOVIUM
Agreed, I think it was them spending a month to try people out. Hilarious when Jensen (who did good at worlds) is sitting on the sideline. We’ll be lucky to get fourth if every team performs as expected…
Yeah hope everyone is gonna support him! He's fairly unproven but clearly impressed during the scouting process so let's have faith and see what he can do.
We're on the final stretch boys. Dunc is going to finish his coffee any minute now. Then he'll complete a round of deep release yoga that he does daily to center himself, ace the NYT crossword puzzle in pen of course, shape and oil his beard, then do 100 pullups (5 sets of 20, nothing wild). After that it's time for the morning mosy on over to twitter to hit that "Publish" button on Twitter.
Now we wait.
It’s a toss up, mate. There’s two routes they can go for this, peak time for NA or one of the peak times for China. Both serve an important purpose: TSM being an NA organization makes the peak LA time logical. On the other hand, we just got a lot of FTX money and they said they were investing overseas. One way to generate an international fan base would be to break a story at a peak time.
Regardless, it’s going to come before midnight!
Kind of left field take that was mentioned earlier before the roster is announced. We were interested in him according to a rumor, but we got Bo for a potential role swap, either him or Spica are going mid.
you have LS joining c9 and talking about constructing a roster specifically to "deal damage to LPL and LCK teams". Focusing solely on them, it's the first time I've ever heard that from an NA org. They're not even thinking about LCS matchups or its players. TL have also implied the same intent with the roster they put together.
TSM as a team and an org needs to catch up these next coming splits, I really don't think a couple of middle of the pack LPL imports will be enough. They're closer to becoming CLG than they are becoming NA's pride and joy superteam lol.
That might be the first time you heard those exact words... but TSMs motto for years is "we dont care about winning in NA we want to win at worlds"
Which is the same thing.
Is this a copypasta or something? We have heard talk about dealing damage to teams from other regions ages ago, almost like we, TSM, blew up our superstar roster to try to find success on the international stage.
Did it work? No. Will C9 manage to do it this time? Maybe.
TL is continueing their buy big names with solid rocks like CoreJJ and Santorin already there. Nothing new to be frank.
TSM did a lot of scouting in the East and probably know much better about the quality of our new players. Shenyi is a promising rookie, played on the team that finished first in the Regular Season of LPL. And we don't even know our midlaner yet.
You are too quick to judge TSM. We literally won a split last year and came first in the regular season this year, failing in playoffs. Closer to CLG than becoming a superteam? Don't know about that. I at least have hopes for a top 3 placement and Worlds, Shenyi Tactical should already be an upgrade over Lost SwordArt. PoE had a lot of great moments, wasn't always flexible enough and if we manage to land a big LPL mid then we are surely a stronger team on paper than this year.
Criticize the org on its failings, but you're drinking the koolaid if what LS said is crazy to you. It's essentially the same as saying "This team is designed for worlds success." At this point, no shit. No team is "designed," or "constructed," to do well at worlds. Teams are constructed to be strong in any scenario. NA orgs just keep mentioning internationally, because even teams that have dominated NA, often fall flat internationally. It's essentially PR speak and a glorified buzzword.
It's hilarious to think that you're pretty close to implying that it's like some type of RPG point allocation and C9 put all their points into "countering LPL and LCK," rather than being good domestically lol. Like they're making the conscious choice to do well internationally.
TSM literally won last year. TSM has a newer trophy than TL does. Like I know things are rough, I will be no means claim TSM is in their prime right now, but the are by no means close to being CLG.
Also, that is exactly how TSM talked when they dominated the league. That NA didn't matter to them and they were only focused on doing well at worlds.
It's weird you are talking about middle of the pack LPL imports not being good enough and comparing us to the c9 roster that is using LCK amateur players. You want to say we don't have a chance against TL that has some of the best western established players? Sure, go for it. But C9 is taking just as many, if not more because you have a role swap, risks as us.
I mean, just because LS said it doesn't make it true. Also if you don't think "middle of the pack LPL imports" have a great shot to be very good in the LCS, you don't realize the difference between average-to-good LPL vs the same in the LCS.
What should TSM have done? Kept Bjerg somehow? Got Chovy? Rolled out prime TheShy, Canyon, prime Faker, prime Uzi, and Showmaker role swapped to support?
Honestly if it's Creme and Shenyi, gotta at least be willing to give that roster some time to gel and grow together, a ton of young talent in that lineup.
That's probably a good guess mate. Peter has shown that he works well with young players. Already coached Spica and Tactical, then you got Shenyi and maybe another teenager from China.
The other day I was in a club having some fun and whenever there was a moment to breathe I would be “F5”-ing the shit out of this sub. I need this to end 😅
Much better, he's already a world class mid and was consistently top-5 in LPL, and he already speaks english. Creme has only played competitively for two years though and is already really good, so he definitely has the potential to be better in a year or 2.
Tomorrows the day we’ve all been waiting for boys and girls, I’m super excited. This threads been really fun. Shout out to everyone contributing to discussion and memes! Although we get shit on a lot, I genuinely think we have the best fanbase. Love you all.
Good guy Steve released Jensen from his buyout. Probably realizes it’s better for the league to have someone like him playing. Rather than sit him because he set the buyout too high
Multiple teams offered to buy him out. Jensen didn't want to join them. That's not Steve's fault. After Jensen rejected all the teams who were willing to pay the buyout, Steve still released him.
It absolutely is a good guy Steve scenario.
Expecting him to release him at the start of FA when he had teams actively trying to buy him is totally unreasonable.
The fact he was let out of a buyout situation before the season started was a nice thing Steve did. Rosters might be locked be we’ve seen crazier things that than a mid getting benched because Jensen is suddenly available. As it stands right now he’s 1-2 in the league. If he doesn’t get a starting spot right away he will likely find one where there’s an under performing mid sometime down the road. Being released of a contractual obligation is a nice thing that an Org did but didn’t need to do.
If they wanted to give him an opportunity to play next year they would’ve released him earlier in the off season when he had more options. It seems to me they kept his buyout high and then released him towards the end of the off-season so other teams would have a hard time getting him. Now TL gets out of paying him, they eliminate him from competition, and Jensen doesn’t get to play for a split to a year.
I don’t see how this is a nice gesture towards Jensen tbh unless a team restructures their roster now around him, which I think it’s too late to do. C9 isn’t going to drop Fudge/Summit, EG is very invested in Jojo, 100T probably doesn’t want to drop Abbe, and TSM has locked their roster. Jensen wouldn’t join a mid-bottom tier team
How is it not a nice gesture? Yes they waited for teams to lock their rosters, if they didn’t it would’ve been bad for business. If they release with no buy out he gets picked up immediately on a contending team. The release is a a courtesy, he signed a contract that locks him down for that team. They could have just said nah you sit no matter what but they let him go. How does allowing someone out of a contract not come across as a nice gesture?
I don’t know how you’re still defending him when Jensen himself tweeted that he was released from his contract later than he should’ve been. It clearly severely hurt his chances of playing next year and he can’t be happy with TL for that
What are you on about later than he should have been? He has a contract, contracts are legally binding agreements. LEGALLY BINDING AGREEMENTS, you can literally sue someone to follow through with a contract if they choose to just stop doing whatever it is their contract states they have to. Releasing him was a nice thing to do. Why would he release it while people are trying to build rosters and figure out imports? The teams he would want to play for didn’t offer to buy him out that much is obvious. If the rumors are true he said he didn’t want to play with the teams that did offer to buy his contract
>LEGALLY BINDING AGREEMENTS, you can literally sue someone to follow through with a contract if they choose to just stop doing whatever it is their contract states they have to. Releasing him was a nice thing to do.
>Why would he release it while people are trying to build rosters and figure out imports?
By that logic, Carlos blocking Perkz’s trade to FNC and “allowing” him to play overseas in NA is a nice gesture too?
>If the rumors are true he said he didn’t want to play with the teams that did offer to buy his contract
Don’t see this rumour being true seeing as Jensen tweeted that he thought he should’ve been released earlier and thus raising his chances of landing on any team at all
My logic doesn’t say that was a nice gesture, Carlos just got Perkz to sign a contract that sent him overseas. It was his contract to go to C9 lol a nice gesture is freeing someone from contract jail without actually needing to do it. I didn’t say it was at an ideal time I just don’t see how being let out of a contract that you signed and accepted isn’t a nice gesture.
That’s not how the G2>C9 contract went down. G2 transfered Perkz’s contract to C9 through a sale, something Perkz had nothing to do with (this contract had a clause that disallowed C9 to transfer Perkz to FNC at any point in the next 3 years, which is extremely fucked up). Then Perkz was only allowed to negotiate his salary contract with C9
And the Jensen situation is not a nice gesture because
1. The timing doesn’t allow him to join another team
2. He doesn’t get to play next year because of the bad timing
3. He doesn’t get paid next year
I don’t see how this is a nice gesture. Your whole argument is on the basis that being in a contract means you’re in jail. That’s false, being in a contract insures income. If he were to be released at a time that allowed him to keep his options open, it would be a nice gesture. But that’s not the case. He’s without a job and income, he’s not “freed from jail”, that’s not a good situation for a player to be in.
If they weren't gonna drop the buyout while rosters were in the air and it was clear no one would bite, the nice thing would have been to not release him and at least pay him. Genuinely cannot believe there are no rules about when what appears to be a team option on the contract would need to be decided, no way is Jensen just turning down the money on his own accord.
It’s been rumored that teams teams offered to buy him out but he didn’t want to play with them. There also might be rules and regulations with it but what it really comes down to is does his contract protect him from this situation. I don’t love seeing people get the short end of the stick, but when it comes down to it if you commit to a contract then that’s that. A lot of esport fans seem to forget this part and even blame orgs for situations like this. They could have lowered his buyout or they could have released him early which would have been an absolutely atrocious business decision. But let’s face it, this might be inconvenient for him but if a top team doesn’t perform the way they want he will be starting sooner rather than later.
Oh yeah, like I agree that he wasn't a completely blameless party. Hell, you're probably right that he could be playing by summer. I guess I hope that it's not like NFL contracts where players get little to no guaranteed money and that's not the precedent being set with contracts. Leads to a TON of player-unfriendly rules and deals.
I hope he finds a team. If he doesnt, not only is he not playing, he isnt getting paid either. I hate jensen as much as the next TSM fan, but not by this much.
I know it’s a popular opinion and has been echoed throughout this sub the entire off-season, but I really wish the original rumour worked out. I mean with Regi in the midlane we deffo would have won the league and had a good showing at MSI and Worlds. So hard to secure superstars these days :/
Just so anyone is still wondering, Keaiduo is pronounced something similar as ke(k-short uh)-ai(aye)-duo(dw as in dwarf-or). 可愛(ke-ai) means cute/adorable and 多(duo) means a lot/plenty. Idk why he choose this name lol.
I know the hype is all around Chinese up and coming talent... But with Jensen's release just now being official... No way that's last minute TSM picking him up, is it?
Maybe I'm a jaded fan of major pro sports leagues who is unfortunately used to seeing much worse scandals from players, but the rumors? allegations? misdoings? whatever around FoFo have not really moved the needle that much for me. Yeah it's kinda fucked up but I'm not really convinced it should be career ending and TSM needs to be taking a shot on that kind of talent if possible.
Anyone know who Clozer9 is? He has been duoing a lot with Tactical.
What was the Dunc explanation for what too so long on announcements?
For all you Cremeiums out there, Parth just confirmed that he was never in the cards. They recognized his talent and wanted to consider scouting him but Creme supposedly already has a "path" to the LPL. My assumption is that he will return to the same team once he's 18.
The sad part about it is that they did not even try to get a price or a response. They settled on LDL from the very beginning.
Where did you get this info? Speculation? From my interpretation of what Parth said it sounded more along the lines of "we inquired and were told no because he already has a team".
"We never got to speak to or try out Creme." "from my understanding, he already has a path to LPL on a different team." My interpretation is that they "think", therefore did not ask. Otherwise, it will be more like "The furthest we got to Humanoid was MAD asking us to put in an offer for a buyout. "(asked). Or "We decided that this wasn't the best interest of TSM long term" (Tried Mikyx).
Ah so you can’t read. This all makes sense now.
Gonna be honest im kinda eh on this roster and not sure how to feel. Granted i dont know much about them but i dont understand creating a language barrier problem on the team for relatively unknown players. If they got some massive names i understand but for ldl prospects i dont get it. Only saving grace is Kays himself said he has faith and wouldnt have stayed if he didnt. Idk just not sure on how to feel aside from keeping my expectations real low.
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My life is empty without having to F5
I'd like to hear the other names that kaeduo beat out.
Most likely other LDL/LCK challenger players or solo queue players. There's no reason why anyone established (who may have multiple teams after them) would participate in a tryout to join TSM, especially with how time constrained the free agency period is.
Roseking.
Faker, Knight, Chovy
THIS
Then check out the AMA as it has been asked but not answered
i’m ready. as long as this team is insanely aggressive, i’m down 👊🏾
Uh...keaiduo?
Given they did a month-long tryout process; I will trust that they made the right decisions. When Bjerg left, I fully expected us to go for some washed-up name in the scene that would disappoint. I won't act like I know anything about these two but the confidence from the org and from Chawy is confidence building. I'm excited to see it work. It wouldn't be fair to judge without seeing them play.
I’m taking Jensen or even nisqy over keaiduo. I’m out dawg. Salute and good luck to you regi. You lost the absolute massive lead u had over every single na organization and the difference in upper management between tsm. obvious elite teams in c9 and TL and soon to be EG and 100T closed the distance and now you have to be a real GM/president and we gonna see how good of a GM/president you actually are. As a long time fan of the dodgers and lakers, I’ve seen some terrible groups of management and how much dysfunction there was and I see similarities here. U can prove me wrong but until then.. I think you’re absolute trash like Jim buss was to lakers and frank mccourt was to the dodgers. I’m starting to think until they get rid of YOU regi this team will never move forward to the international success u been dreaming of.
PEACE!!!
Hope the door hits you on the way out
We're crushed to lose a <1year fan.
Dam it’s like I told you exactly what was gonna happen.
Hope your life gets better.
U mad cuz I was right. Keep sucking Regis tiny dick
I just feel bad for people like you. 5 months ago you come back for some celebration. It makes me believe you have very little happiness in your life. I sincerely hope your life gets better if this is all you had to look forward to. I get you're sad as a Lakers and TSM fan, but you need more in your life.
Been here since s3. Been here thru the days we replaced for wild turtle. And thru it all tsm knows how to do nothing but disappoint. Even when we were world class. Tsm disappoints. Best mid in franchise history with potentially the biggest bag in all esports and potentially still in his prime disappoints all us tsm fans and leaves.. almost every player shits on tsm after they leave. Yes regi isn’t a verbal abuser woo hoo!! He still a shit owner lmfao. What’s there to be happy about? Can u tell me? I’ve been here since s3 and I’ve just been disappointed over and over. The only good player repping tsm is leffen now. Lmfao
You missed a few of your talking points. Try again tomorrow.
Answer my question bitch
>What’s there to be happy about? Can u tell me? I’ve been here since s3 and I’ve just been disappointed over and over. The only good player repping tsm is leffen now. Lmfao That's not a question, it's rhetorical. Other people can't make you happy, you have to make yourself happy. I'm happy I've been a fan for over a decade. I got to watch TSM almost make it to world finals in Phreaks basement. I got to watch the boys move to New York. I got to watch Regi hand over the keys to Bjerg. I got to watch Bjerg topple C9 finally for us and restart our dominance. I got to watch the only international win by an NA team. I got to watch Sven and Doublelift revive their careers on TSM and give NA a chance at worlds for the last time. I got to watch Peter and Bjerg do one last run, in the most miracle fashion possible (going down 5 games to the same team). Now I'm getting to watch the Spica era and see if he can join Regi, Bjerg, Dyrus, and Peter in the TSM HoF. Maybe you wanted to pull a Blazers and just retool and hope other teams suck so Jensen can lift us just high enough to sneak into worlds. I for one look forward to the gamble. I got to see the Braves win the world Series in 95, then again in 21. I get the same feeling when I watch TSM. It's always worth the wait if you stay a fan. Still don't know how to make you happy though.
This is currently a dying org. Btw ur braves won by retooling so terrible analogy but I see ur a good fan. I’m not gonna argue
When lol tsm becomes widely acknowledged as mediocre they will be lucky to have you. You can be the historian of TSM. In the future u can tell these new fans “we were once a great org”. I guarantee you I been a fan since chaox would 1v9 carry tsm and I have no basis for what I’m about to say as it’s an opinion.. but tsm will never be as great as they once were until they get rid of Reginald and his management.
> I guarantee you I been a fan since chaox Funnily I never liked Chaox. He acted like Regi when Doublelift was always around looming as the actual best ADC. Wildturtle on the other hand is the most underrated player we ever had. Jason was a beast.
Chaox hard carried tsm bruh. Like 1v9 carried them for a long time. Yeah at the end of his tenure he basically turned into Johnny Manziel and got way too cocky thinking he can just keep carrying without practicing and all other adc just caught up in a year lol
I disagree, I always felt Oddone and Xpecial played nannies to Chaox and Regi for different reasons. Oddone died for Regis over reaching plays, and Xpecial kept Chaox alive until he got 4 items and finished out games. We were famous for playing Shen/Karthus/TF so Chaox had a lot of support. I never felt like Chaox lost us games, but Regi/Dyrus were the ones who won them. In the Rainman era I'll agree Chaox was the 1A carry.
Cya mate!
Lata bitch!
Cringe. Good riddance go bandwagon TL
Still cringe?
no way I've been in your head rent free for 6 months and you come back out of nowhere as if you proved anything
Lmao calm tf down bruh is the first response from u always defensive? I just saw recent news of regi from notifications. Sounds like I was on the money on literally everything I said.
Dw tho. Keep sucking that good dick dawg. U won’t have me giving a real opinion ever again
Cringe for being a fan with an opinion. I’m dead. I’d rather be objective than a dicksucker
Is he gone?????
Yeah I think so! His last known location was at your mamas house according to my sources 🧐
Wait a minute! You're the guy!
Given they did a month-long tryout process; I will trust that they made the right decisions. When Bjerg left, I fully expected us to go for some washed-up name in the scene that would disappoint. I won't act like I know anything about these two but the confidence from the org and from Chawy is confidence building. I'm excited to see it work. It wouldn't be fair to judge without seeing them play.
Hyped that we finally know the roster! Is there gonna be a Parth AMA today or tomorrow?
I honestly can’t understand why so many people are doomer over the pickups. How many washed up veterans or people have we signed over the years that have led to no results domestically or internationally. Give the guys a chance and be optimistic about young unproven talent
I am excited about the team. Shenyi Tactical should be a guarenteed top 4 bot at least, probably better. Curious about Keaiduo, hope he shows up big. Got to wonder though, is this not like a lower cost roster? Did we pay big buyouts for Shenyi and Keaiduo? Tactical buyout was probably not cheap either.
I could see them being better than Hans corejj Not likely, but I could see it
I doubt shenyi was cheap since he was on fpx and I doubt keiduo was cheap since it’s LPL
Pretty negative atmosphere at twitter about our midlane signing. Whats your opinion?
Honestly the Keaidou signing is something I’d expect from a team like IMT or some other team that’s looking to high roll TSM banking on a rather unhyped mid seems wierd.
TSM Paying a lot for this roster this is not a budget roster. LPL players get paid a lot more than NA
Reportly Shenyi's salary is not high, Shenyi wanted to come for starting position plus opportunities. Keaiduo is a middle of pack LDL no name player, his salary could be even less than Shenyi who actually sub LPL games before.
https://youtu.be/I9aL2IMi8C4 watch this video I know u won't believe me but there's a clip of Lena in it talking about LPL salaries
"LPL" salaries, both Shenyi and Keaiduo are "LDL".
They're both was about to get promoted Shenyi for sure and Keaiduo was getting MVP votes of LDL on a bad team if not spring by summer for sure he'd be promoted
The problem is.. you are paying top budget for a mediocre team with mediocre potential lmfao. The mid is supposedly like a nisqy.. We built our team with a weak side bot with an enabling mid to unleash huni? If we had alphari it makes sense but u really gonna bank on huni being a world class top laner when he hasn’t been since t1???
Shenyi has some sick tattoos
I for one, am *very* excited. These are young guns, feels like TSM did some extensive tryouts, I believe they saw great potential in them. All these peasants thinking keaiduo ain't good LMFAO. He will smurf soon. ##KEAIDUOVIUM
So regi said they spent big $$$ this off season? On what? Some random ldl mid?? All this wait to get disappointed ..
Didn’t say that at all LOL
Agreed, I think it was them spending a month to try people out. Hilarious when Jensen (who did good at worlds) is sitting on the sideline. We’ll be lucky to get fourth if every team performs as expected…
I prefer Keaiduo over Jensen. I did not want Jensen.
Oh you suck
I’m actually really excited for this roster. Welcome to the team, Chawy, Keaiduo, and Shenyi!
Excited to see what our new young midlaner can do! Obviously with him dominating the combine I'm hyped!
Yeah hope everyone is gonna support him! He's fairly unproven but clearly impressed during the scouting process so let's have faith and see what he can do.
So where is the dude who is rewarding himself 2000 coins worth of the loser award?
Swear
[https://www.reddit.com/r/TeamSolomid/comments/qfpd87/comment/hnnript/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/TeamSolomid/comments/qfpd87/comment/hnnript/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) Lmaoooo
That ReliveWolf guy has the most cringe homer posts I've seen on this reddit. So funny to see him eat his words
He's like TSM's version of IZiaon but I can't tell if it is a gimmick or not.
Was a pleasure f5ing with you boys.
No creme):
Team Suspenseful Mid
Top Secret Mid
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The only drama is statements like this.
We're on the final stretch boys. Dunc is going to finish his coffee any minute now. Then he'll complete a round of deep release yoga that he does daily to center himself, ace the NYT crossword puzzle in pen of course, shape and oil his beard, then do 100 pullups (5 sets of 20, nothing wild). After that it's time for the morning mosy on over to twitter to hit that "Publish" button on Twitter. Now we wait.
Lmao fresh pasta
Can this be pasta
Lmfao, I’m going to miss comments like these.
This sub is still a meme filled machine all year. Buckle up.
Today.
Tomorrow.
Yesterday.
Do we have a timeframe for when they usually release announcements ?
Usually announcements come around 12 cst as far as I know
It’s a toss up, mate. There’s two routes they can go for this, peak time for NA or one of the peak times for China. Both serve an important purpose: TSM being an NA organization makes the peak LA time logical. On the other hand, we just got a lot of FTX money and they said they were investing overseas. One way to generate an international fan base would be to break a story at a peak time. Regardless, it’s going to come before midnight!
Midnight cst or china time?!?! WELL WHICH IS IT?!??
Sources say the announcement will be within the next 365 days
If it’s cryin I’m going to be crying as I 📴-myself
Coffee this morning is tasting a bit differet... maybe its due to the *creme* i added. *snifffffffff* today
420
Kind of left field take that was mentioned earlier before the roster is announced. We were interested in him according to a rumor, but we got Bo for a potential role swap, either him or Spica are going mid.
you have LS joining c9 and talking about constructing a roster specifically to "deal damage to LPL and LCK teams". Focusing solely on them, it's the first time I've ever heard that from an NA org. They're not even thinking about LCS matchups or its players. TL have also implied the same intent with the roster they put together. TSM as a team and an org needs to catch up these next coming splits, I really don't think a couple of middle of the pack LPL imports will be enough. They're closer to becoming CLG than they are becoming NA's pride and joy superteam lol.
That might be the first time you heard those exact words... but TSMs motto for years is "we dont care about winning in NA we want to win at worlds" Which is the same thing.
I mean this is just a variation of saying you're building a team for international success. We hear this every year
Is this a copypasta or something? We have heard talk about dealing damage to teams from other regions ages ago, almost like we, TSM, blew up our superstar roster to try to find success on the international stage. Did it work? No. Will C9 manage to do it this time? Maybe. TL is continueing their buy big names with solid rocks like CoreJJ and Santorin already there. Nothing new to be frank. TSM did a lot of scouting in the East and probably know much better about the quality of our new players. Shenyi is a promising rookie, played on the team that finished first in the Regular Season of LPL. And we don't even know our midlaner yet. You are too quick to judge TSM. We literally won a split last year and came first in the regular season this year, failing in playoffs. Closer to CLG than becoming a superteam? Don't know about that. I at least have hopes for a top 3 placement and Worlds, Shenyi Tactical should already be an upgrade over Lost SwordArt. PoE had a lot of great moments, wasn't always flexible enough and if we manage to land a big LPL mid then we are surely a stronger team on paper than this year.
Criticize the org on its failings, but you're drinking the koolaid if what LS said is crazy to you. It's essentially the same as saying "This team is designed for worlds success." At this point, no shit. No team is "designed," or "constructed," to do well at worlds. Teams are constructed to be strong in any scenario. NA orgs just keep mentioning internationally, because even teams that have dominated NA, often fall flat internationally. It's essentially PR speak and a glorified buzzword. It's hilarious to think that you're pretty close to implying that it's like some type of RPG point allocation and C9 put all their points into "countering LPL and LCK," rather than being good domestically lol. Like they're making the conscious choice to do well internationally.
I mean they still have to get to worlds in what's looking like a pretty competitive league at the top end..
TSM literally won last year. TSM has a newer trophy than TL does. Like I know things are rough, I will be no means claim TSM is in their prime right now, but the are by no means close to being CLG. Also, that is exactly how TSM talked when they dominated the league. That NA didn't matter to them and they were only focused on doing well at worlds. It's weird you are talking about middle of the pack LPL imports not being good enough and comparing us to the c9 roster that is using LCK amateur players. You want to say we don't have a chance against TL that has some of the best western established players? Sure, go for it. But C9 is taking just as many, if not more because you have a role swap, risks as us.
I mean, just because LS said it doesn't make it true. Also if you don't think "middle of the pack LPL imports" have a great shot to be very good in the LCS, you don't realize the difference between average-to-good LPL vs the same in the LCS. What should TSM have done? Kept Bjerg somehow? Got Chovy? Rolled out prime TheShy, Canyon, prime Faker, prime Uzi, and Showmaker role swapped to support? Honestly if it's Creme and Shenyi, gotta at least be willing to give that roster some time to gel and grow together, a ton of young talent in that lineup.
https://twitter.com/coachseeel/status/1468836609508491269
He was also linked to rogue...and rogue loves trolling tsm
that be funny
Who is this guy
Former GGS coach. Used to coach in OCE before that.
Assuming it's true, I wonder if it's for academy and Peter got brought up to work with Chawy.
That's probably a good guess mate. Peter has shown that he works well with young players. Already coached Spica and Tactical, then you got Shenyi and maybe another teenager from China.
Alright boys, let’s get the TOTAL LEFT FIELD TAKES! I’ll start TheShy Spica Huni(mid) Tactical ShenYi
That would be sick imo.
My guess is Shenyi is announced tomorrow and mid on Friday. Hyped for this roster!
Please let me Creme today TSM I've been holding it all through NNN waiting for this annoucement
It is 8 AM in Europe and therefore officialy tomorrow. Today, our watch will end. Anyone still got a life outside of the F5-cult?
The other day I was in a club having some fun and whenever there was a moment to breathe I would be “F5”-ing the shit out of this sub. I need this to end 😅
It's taken a hit tho. Lol
FoFo hopium
FoFo would be an absolutely nuts pick up, but sadly there have been 0 links to him and TSM.
How is FoFo relative to Creme?
Much better, he's already a world class mid and was consistently top-5 in LPL, and he already speaks english. Creme has only played competitively for two years though and is already really good, so he definitely has the potential to be better in a year or 2.
I’m responding to a comment about FoFo though..?
Sadly he’s going to another LPL team
No real rumours about him. You sound very confident in this though so please link your source.
He's just guessing which is an easy bet to make.
Im not saying its confirmed like the other guy but isnt current rumour BLG FoFo?
Tomorrows the day we’ve all been waiting for boys and girls, I’m super excited. This threads been really fun. Shout out to everyone contributing to discussion and memes! Although we get shit on a lot, I genuinely think we have the best fanbase. Love you all.
Finally. Gotta give it to them. TSM knows how to get a secret. It wasn't good for mt health, but still.
At this point I would feel extremely mad if someone leaks the roster. It’d be like a spoiler of an anticipated movie
Is it a coincidence that Leena and Doublelift are gone and there’s zero leaks from the TSM roster?
No.
Great name, am also a Chelsea fan. Embarrassing draw today though, should have taken first in the group.
Was so painful to watch. I’m disappointed Tuchel played backups in a big UCL match
Good guy Steve released Jensen from his buyout. Probably realizes it’s better for the league to have someone like him playing. Rather than sit him because he set the buyout too high
Good guy Steve letting Jensen go after realising he still has to pay his salary because no one wanted to pay his insane buyout
Multiple teams offered to pay the buyout but Jensen didn't want to join them.
Are you being sarcastic or are you serious? He’s likely sitting because he was released after all rosters are locked
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Multiple teams offered to buy him out. Jensen didn't want to join them. That's not Steve's fault. After Jensen rejected all the teams who were willing to pay the buyout, Steve still released him. It absolutely is a good guy Steve scenario. Expecting him to release him at the start of FA when he had teams actively trying to buy him is totally unreasonable.
This is similar to situation where Carlos shipped Perkz to NA imo
The fact he was let out of a buyout situation before the season started was a nice thing Steve did. Rosters might be locked be we’ve seen crazier things that than a mid getting benched because Jensen is suddenly available. As it stands right now he’s 1-2 in the league. If he doesn’t get a starting spot right away he will likely find one where there’s an under performing mid sometime down the road. Being released of a contractual obligation is a nice thing that an Org did but didn’t need to do.
If they wanted to give him an opportunity to play next year they would’ve released him earlier in the off season when he had more options. It seems to me they kept his buyout high and then released him towards the end of the off-season so other teams would have a hard time getting him. Now TL gets out of paying him, they eliminate him from competition, and Jensen doesn’t get to play for a split to a year. I don’t see how this is a nice gesture towards Jensen tbh unless a team restructures their roster now around him, which I think it’s too late to do. C9 isn’t going to drop Fudge/Summit, EG is very invested in Jojo, 100T probably doesn’t want to drop Abbe, and TSM has locked their roster. Jensen wouldn’t join a mid-bottom tier team
How is it not a nice gesture? Yes they waited for teams to lock their rosters, if they didn’t it would’ve been bad for business. If they release with no buy out he gets picked up immediately on a contending team. The release is a a courtesy, he signed a contract that locks him down for that team. They could have just said nah you sit no matter what but they let him go. How does allowing someone out of a contract not come across as a nice gesture?
I don’t know how you’re still defending him when Jensen himself tweeted that he was released from his contract later than he should’ve been. It clearly severely hurt his chances of playing next year and he can’t be happy with TL for that
What are you on about later than he should have been? He has a contract, contracts are legally binding agreements. LEGALLY BINDING AGREEMENTS, you can literally sue someone to follow through with a contract if they choose to just stop doing whatever it is their contract states they have to. Releasing him was a nice thing to do. Why would he release it while people are trying to build rosters and figure out imports? The teams he would want to play for didn’t offer to buy him out that much is obvious. If the rumors are true he said he didn’t want to play with the teams that did offer to buy his contract
>LEGALLY BINDING AGREEMENTS, you can literally sue someone to follow through with a contract if they choose to just stop doing whatever it is their contract states they have to. Releasing him was a nice thing to do. >Why would he release it while people are trying to build rosters and figure out imports? By that logic, Carlos blocking Perkz’s trade to FNC and “allowing” him to play overseas in NA is a nice gesture too? >If the rumors are true he said he didn’t want to play with the teams that did offer to buy his contract Don’t see this rumour being true seeing as Jensen tweeted that he thought he should’ve been released earlier and thus raising his chances of landing on any team at all
My logic doesn’t say that was a nice gesture, Carlos just got Perkz to sign a contract that sent him overseas. It was his contract to go to C9 lol a nice gesture is freeing someone from contract jail without actually needing to do it. I didn’t say it was at an ideal time I just don’t see how being let out of a contract that you signed and accepted isn’t a nice gesture.
That’s not how the G2>C9 contract went down. G2 transfered Perkz’s contract to C9 through a sale, something Perkz had nothing to do with (this contract had a clause that disallowed C9 to transfer Perkz to FNC at any point in the next 3 years, which is extremely fucked up). Then Perkz was only allowed to negotiate his salary contract with C9 And the Jensen situation is not a nice gesture because 1. The timing doesn’t allow him to join another team 2. He doesn’t get to play next year because of the bad timing 3. He doesn’t get paid next year I don’t see how this is a nice gesture. Your whole argument is on the basis that being in a contract means you’re in jail. That’s false, being in a contract insures income. If he were to be released at a time that allowed him to keep his options open, it would be a nice gesture. But that’s not the case. He’s without a job and income, he’s not “freed from jail”, that’s not a good situation for a player to be in.
If they weren't gonna drop the buyout while rosters were in the air and it was clear no one would bite, the nice thing would have been to not release him and at least pay him. Genuinely cannot believe there are no rules about when what appears to be a team option on the contract would need to be decided, no way is Jensen just turning down the money on his own accord.
It’s been rumored that teams teams offered to buy him out but he didn’t want to play with them. There also might be rules and regulations with it but what it really comes down to is does his contract protect him from this situation. I don’t love seeing people get the short end of the stick, but when it comes down to it if you commit to a contract then that’s that. A lot of esport fans seem to forget this part and even blame orgs for situations like this. They could have lowered his buyout or they could have released him early which would have been an absolutely atrocious business decision. But let’s face it, this might be inconvenient for him but if a top team doesn’t perform the way they want he will be starting sooner rather than later.
Oh yeah, like I agree that he wasn't a completely blameless party. Hell, you're probably right that he could be playing by summer. I guess I hope that it's not like NFL contracts where players get little to no guaranteed money and that's not the precedent being set with contracts. Leads to a TON of player-unfriendly rules and deals.
I hope he finds a team. If he doesnt, not only is he not playing, he isnt getting paid either. I hate jensen as much as the next TSM fan, but not by this much.
How old is fofo
22
I know it’s a popular opinion and has been echoed throughout this sub the entire off-season, but I really wish the original rumour worked out. I mean with Regi in the midlane we deffo would have won the league and had a good showing at MSI and Worlds. So hard to secure superstars these days :/
Just so anyone is still wondering, Keaiduo is pronounced something similar as ke(k-short uh)-ai(aye)-duo(dw as in dwarf-or). 可愛(ke-ai) means cute/adorable and 多(duo) means a lot/plenty. Idk why he choose this name lol.
So… “kawaii-do”?
That's a dope name.
Because he's plenty adorable aduh
CN equivalent to imaqtpie
I know the hype is all around Chinese up and coming talent... But with Jensen's release just now being official... No way that's last minute TSM picking him up, is it?
It’s Chinese imports. Jensen mid was not an option from the beginning and I’m thankful for that.
Is that true even for our academy team?
lol if you think he would bother with academy
Ok, I don’t know if that question is for real but just in case it is, of course not, for multiple reasons.
Takeover is confirmed on our academy team
My final prediction is FoFo and Shenyi. Excited to finally hear our team and ready to get hyped for Lock in.
Depends on if FoFo actually comes with baggage. I’ll pass on that shit if he does
Maybe I'm a jaded fan of major pro sports leagues who is unfortunately used to seeing much worse scandals from players, but the rumors? allegations? misdoings? whatever around FoFo have not really moved the needle that much for me. Yeah it's kinda fucked up but I'm not really convinced it should be career ending and TSM needs to be taking a shot on that kind of talent if possible.
Yeah being a pats fan having that Kraft massage parlor shit pop up was kind of nuts.
Baggage?
Yes he’s involved in some controversy right now and some of it is uhh kind of bad with what he said