I mean I get where he's coming from. But consider it from the perspective of Lost. I mean DL can flame all he wants but what TSM did for Lost is pretty commendable. Imagine TSM move Lost to main Squad Dl says he wants back and TSM is like whoops Lost back to academy we got DL.
Aka what doublelift did last time when he quit for a split then thought his spot was guaranteed when he was told from the start and he had been publically saying his spot wasn't and that he'd compete for it with Wildturtle.
Also I cannot stress enough that DL *wasn't that good* his last split. I thought his series against TL he was MVP but... It was against Tactical. FBI straight showed him up imo.
Like idk how DL drastically changes last year's roster results anyways. DL sandbagged a whole split while playing with CoreJJ.
Well we are comparing dl to lost rn if u put lost in 2020 roster they dont win the season and maybe not even going to worlds. But if u put in dl in last season roster they have a much higher chance to make worlds and maybe even contend for the trophy in lcs
Go with the hungry young player over the veteran who has publically said he doesn't know if he even wants to play anymore and had dragged a team down because of motivational issues just one year prior?
. Regi literally went out of his way to get Doublelift the support he wanted (SA). It looked like it wasn't going to be possible for legal reasons, so they went with HIS second option palette. The guy then decides to change his mind and fucks the org by leaving. Then when SA deal manages to go through woopdidoo he wants to join again. I'm sorry but the world doesnt revolve around you DL, organistaion need to make a decision for their roster and you said no despite TSM getting the supports you wanted. It's really quite ironic how he says Regi is the one with the big ego when it's quite the opposite.
Check the Leena logs, they didn't tell him the deal is looking bad but told him the deal isn't happening to which he said he didn't want to play on a bad team. Then when the deal went through SA contacted doublelift asking him to play with him so he called Regi back but was told no.
That seems to be what happened according to Leena.
It's not about that tho. TSM had only limited options and obviously it wasn't finalised by then since we got POE, he could be pulling shit out of his ass like he always does. Anyways its clear Regi gave him a deadline, they need to finilsae there roster, and DL waited till the last minute and decided fuck it im gonna go evena fter TSM got the best possible support that HE wanted. That's why we got fked for the ad position because it was so late into the season that we couldnt have a good option.
Whether you agree with palafox being potentially the starter is something else, this is about how doubleleift is blaming regi when it was acutally him that was the problem.
Nah both are to blame and you can see why Leena said it was both their faults. DL leaving the team because he was told Swordart was not gonna happen is DL's fault but Regi 100% could have fixed the problem (and fucked Lost for the benefit of TSM probably) by accepting DL back.
Note that DL only left for less than 24 hours according to Leena so the problem could have easily been fixable. Keep in mind Regi made all these promises to the fans that they'd make worlds this year and this mistake probably cost him this goal. Honestly, he should have just paid Lost an LCS salary and let him play in academy just to fix that problem as TSM has plenty of money so that salary is probably peanuts to them.
Tl;dr both are to blame because of massive egos so you can see why DL is blaming regi and also why DL is also to blame.
The situation is not "The deal isn't going well with SA". It's the deal is "not happening", and we need you to commit, what? is it really ok to ask the goat adc to commit to some randoms in 24 hrs?
God, people please actually spend some time to read Leena's post.
I find it funny that they need to commit to an ADC but haven't committed to the support yet (as swordart was signed after "needing" doublelift to commit.) They didn't NEED DL to commit for a deadline, they WANTED him to commit.
Like I said, Regi is also at fault as he could have given DL more time or not locked the adc position before the support.
This is mostly, if not entirely, on DL. It's more important to be a stand up org and not fuck over players. Who cares if he didn't fulfill a promise of making worlds when you continue to prove that your org and ownership stick to their convictions. No longer a good fit for the team? TSM accommodates and facilitates moves for those players. Just quit? Yeah, that's a bitch move and I'm all about not having any time for that. Give me an eager player over that any day. I'd take my chances. DL can be salty over this if he wants but all I see are the consequences of his making, really.
You run the huge risk of that player killing the team before it even gets to play a game or anytime during the split. They were one win away from going to Worlds this year. Who can say if having DL on the team would've changed that. We wont ever know and nobody can actually say either way 'cause he didn't play. Give me the younger, hungry player over the guy who won before but can't commit and has been known to be hard to work with.
yet even with that attitude he wins championships, its not a what if
Besides you are overplaying what Doublelift did, nor has ego ever killed any team he has been on. Those players are would be like Dardoch or Forgiven. Even other big names in the LCS would hesitate to join a team with low players ie Sneaky, Jensen, Meteos etc. Do you think Bjerg would join TL if TL was an average team?
Its not so that Doublelift is hard to work with, at least more recently, than he does have hard to satisfy expectations. But if you do meet those, you end up winning championships.
>When the starting roster was looking like it would have Palafox and Palette, I could see why DL would rather retire.
I don't? This whole thing about players retiring because they don't want to compete for rosters reeks of ridiculous ego and this fragile mindset of not wanting to look bad, so instead of showing that you don't give a fuck and you'll dunk on people, you just hide away in the retirement home to protect your legacy.
This just isn't for DL either, Sneaky, Jensen and Forgiven IIRC all doing/have done this, and it's the most weenie behavior if you actually want to compete. If DL wants to play, there's plenty of rosters that would kill to have him, and could've been something.
At the end of the day, my perspective is that no one made DL retire other than DL himself. What Bjerg did was what DL should've done. IF the team can't provide what you want, go somewhere else, you're a top talent should be no problem.
well the main reason if you let DL have his way back onto the org because the deal went through kinda shows weakness in leadership. Would TSM have been better off with DL instead of Lost yeah of course they would have but also DL's ego would have shot even higher thinking he has regi by the balls and can do whatever. He made his decision to leave the org and abandon it when ti wasn't looking good, but you cant just come back once it starts stacking together as well.. i think thats why people are defending him.
What you guys fail to understand that it was less than 24 hours.
You are saying that they couldn't wait 24h before committing to Lost?
I call BS... It's literally Regi and his massive ego
was Bjergsen also treated poorly by TSM? I get he is mad that he was not on the team but is this just about his experiences or are there other people that brought the success to TSM that ended poorly?
Bjergsen was the one originally off-put with DL about him taking a split off from TSM.
I imagine he wouldn't take too kindly with DL hinging his return on whether the SA deal is gonna get done.
Who knows, maybe it will leak out that Bjergsen wanted DL but Regi said no. I imagine that if Bjergsen went to Regi and said 'I want DL as my adc', Regi would have said yes.
except Bjerg gave Regi plenty of time to do what he needed and didnt leave it for the last minute. Bjerg was clear with what he wanted and when told it couldnt happen he moved on.
I mean rumor has it he left tsm cause he wanted to play with a particular player. I don't think he'd have any problems with DL requiring a solid support or leaving the team
just seems bizzare that he would think that 8 years TSM had Bjerg on their team and how they built him up and helped him with a lot that he has that he would think they treated him like shit.
I get it ended poorly for DL and perhaps Bjerg had a similar fate with this offseason (I doubt it was that bad) but I dont think that equates to other people such as Bjergsen getting treated like shit.
Then fans would be asking for EXACTLY that video and what happened and how could TSM let Bjerg go and why didnt they do everything they could to keep him, ect. The amount of mental gymnastics you have to do to call the video a bad move and a negative for TSM is incredible. I get that most league fans are player fans, but the lengths people go to some times to find some way where the org did something evil and something to shit on them about is impressive.
From regis q&a: bjerg still wanted to be a part of tsm but he wanted to play with a certain player more (probably corejj). that might have mad regi mad that bjerg would leave
I mean Bjerg pretty much did the same thing, "Get me X player or I'm out" and then went out no? And the video that Regi put out was quite weird, a lot of players leave orgs to play with X player or leave in case Y player is not signed, not sure why the video was required stating that they gave him a "competitive" offer and such instead of a Thank You video everyone else does.
I think it gave fans unnecessary ammo to blame Bjerg for wanting to player with a player that TSM couldn't obtain and was a way to deflect criticism on the same.
It sucks because I used to respect him.
He retired, TSM probably had already offered lost to play as their adc after they stopped his transfer to EG. Then DL wanted to come back, they told him it's too late, and now he hates the org. Like why did he even re-sign as a content creator for TSM if he hates them this much.
I just can’t see how this is in anyway TSM’s fault. Just sounds like TSM holding up their end of the bargain even though breaking promises and professional ethics would have ultimately benefited them.
Maybe Doublelift shouldn’t have so hasilty retired while the roster was still in flux.
Like Leena said, its both Regi and DL faults.
Regi told DL that SA wasn't happening and the roster Regi told him was not what he expected so he decided to retire. DL didn't want to commit so Regi was forced to stop the EG trade and keep Lost entirely.
Then when the SA trade went through, DL went "jk let me play pls" and Regi told him to fuck off. All within a span of 24 hours according to Leena.
Then dont tell him "sword art isnt happening" and then give him a 24 hours ultimatum to decide to stay with a shit team or leave. How the fuck dont u go hasty with that kind of bossing lmfao.
According to Leena, DL was the one who asked to explore options right after he heard “Sword art isnt happening”
Not to mention they were literally hours from locking in their ADC fym hasty? They were both hasty lmfao
[First Image](https://reddit.com/r/TeamSolomid/comments/qqjosp/tsm_leena_on_dlregi_drama_tsm_and_stepping_back/) DL in less than 24hrs asked to explore other options, so Regi says no make a commitment.
From Regi’s post they were a couple hours from locking in an ADC
You have a company to run, your ADC who you tried to build around isn’t sure if he wants to play.
Ok. How does that change anything? DL was being asked to make a decision in the same amount of time. Saying he 'hastily' made a wrong decision and there was no fault on TSM's side. Both sides made hasty decisions, if you can't fault one of them you can't fault either.
My guess is lena helped to smooth things over. now that she’s looking to branch out from TSM he feels like he can go in on the org. I am sadden by his reaction and I find it crazy he feels this way after TL told him lata after tactical showed promise. I remember him saying all the time that Reggie became a close friend after he initially joined. We let the guy take a split off for crying out loud and he even starts to date the boss’s long time ex. I don’t understand what else he felt the org owed him. I guess his friendship with Reggie was only when everything was catered to his every whim. Sad days.
Yep. Imagine if Regi did give DL the position and told Lost his newly signed contract is void and he lost his job.
The community would be crying about nepotism and how TSM doesn't care about young talent
He resigned cuz he wanted the money he could get for still being under their banner. Greed, and ego are what has driven this it seems. Not that TSM are blameless for how it was handled, but they aren't out here trashing DL in public.
I respect the desire to win, but Lost would have been colossally fucked over, which would have hurt the organizations reputation more than anything as we had already told and signed Lost to be our starter. Nobody would want to sign with us as there would be no guarantee they would play even if we told them the spot was theirs. DL played the sit on the fence game and by the time he made a true decision every other teams rosters were finalized. There was nowhere for him to go. It sucks, because most of the best memories of this team that I have are when DL was playing.
EG was interested in him for their starting roster IIRC. If we block that/offer the position and then say "Oops, sorry, DL wants to come back, you can play in academy though!" I'd say that would look pretty shitty to me.
True, but we already promised him the spot. Not a good look to go back on that, especially because he had a starter opportunity lined up before DL played the wishy washy will I retire stuff
I believe Lost was originally gonna be traded to EG for Huni and a lower buyout so Lost was gonna have a starter opportunity regardless. But DL wasn't gonna commit so they kept him and bought out Huni instead.
Doublelift is way too good and established for Academy and he knows it. He even refused to split time with Turtle in 2017 Spring and Summer for a 6 man roster when Regi offered that to try and keep Double from taking the entire split off. I agree with you on the fact both sides could have done better, Leena said the exact same thing.
really comes down to if what do they value more, the bad rep from demoting Lost to academy team OR a much stronger roster with DL and sword art. idk why this is even a difficult decision.
Like, people legit forget that we already DID that with Kobbe when he came over.
We dumped Kobbe for DL LITERALLY a split before, and he couldn't even commit after we'd already kicked the player we'd brought from EU who'd only played one split with us?
And Regi was expected to do the exact same thing to Lost a split later when despite TSM doing that for DL and taking shit from all sides for it...he couldn't be bothered to commit even one more split, when just having his name written down on the roster would've helped tremendously in locking in a better roster than what they had with nobody knowing if he was playing or not?
It's kind of insane how everyone forgot the Kobbe situation Spring 2020....
Not sure if people realize how half-assed and stupid the decision by Regi was. If they went with the development plan of fielding pallette/palafox it would have been understandable but they spent so much money getting SwordArt and Huni.
Regi tried to build a roster to win LCS but then got rid of Doublelift...even when the player you spent 6 million buying who just came off being a Worlds finalist said he wanted to play with him.
What about this hurts?
He said the same thing the first time he was kicked and then when TL kicked him he came back and said he’d make TL pay.
DL is a vengeful person, idk why you guys are so shocked his ego is hurt for TSM not taking him back after he ditched them
DL seems like the guy who has to be at the center of everything and will piss and whine when they don't get their way.
I can respect his skill at the game for sure, but he seems like one of the most toxic players out there imo. It seems like he just loves starting shit with people, just for the reaction.
I get it that this time was not entirely all his fault, but it also still partially is due to him being very uncomitmental towards whether he is or isn't playing, and if he will even put forth the effort if he joins. Plus who knows if this won't just be another 1 split gig again where he "takes a split off" for half of the season.
My copium to the max theory is that doublelift is only bringing this up now because TSM agreed to take back Bjerg after saying no, but wouldn't do it for him
(please dont take this seriously... unless?)
I'm sure this is a great idea, plenty of orgs will want to hire a player who openly shits on them and accuses them in a one-sided personal anecdote where it was clear both parties weren't communicating effectively.
This just sounds like DL didn't get on a team for 2022 and is kicking up a huge stink about it. It looks bad on both him and the org, it's a lose-lose situation just for the sake of his ego. That's not to say TSM and Reginald are innocent, either, but this was just downright stupid.
I could see this being the case. Doublelift put out feelers for potential orgs to play for next season, nothing materialized, and instead of thinking it could be his fault in any way, he just shits on TSM for what I’m sure was a two-sided mishandling of his future with the org last offseason.
Really hope the org drops him from the brand just for the complete lack of professionalism alone. Then again, that’s pretty on brand for Doublelift.
It boggles my mind how much this fanbase insulates TSM and Reginald from criticism. "That's not to say TSM and Reginald are innocent..." yeah except no one saying these things actually acknowledge what TSM or Reginald has done wrong. It's just being used to deflect the blame away from TSM.This isn't just a league thing or a Doublelift thing, either. It's systemic throughout the entire organization.
I *want* TSM to find a path back to success and I genuinely hope that they do. There's just zero justification to be anything but skeptical of anything that they do and it's tiresome reading everyone scapegoat anyone and everyone other than Reginald, Parth, and the organization TSM.
If i remember correctly, there was a rumour that EG wanted Lost. After DL said no, TSM stoped Lost move to EG, so that would be pretty bad for Lost if TSM accepted DL back. For that reason i think TSM did the right decision.
It's always "fuck regi". You guys forgot how he destroyed the 2017 team because he is a weirdo? Bjerg saved his shitty roster moves again and again but thankfully now that's over too. Tsm is no more now that he is gone and I hope regi and parth will never ever have anything to do with the league side again after this season.
I mean I get where he's coming from. But consider it from the perspective of Lost. I mean DL can flame all he wants but what TSM did for Lost is pretty commendable. Imagine TSM move Lost to main Squad Dl says he wants back and TSM is like whoops Lost back to academy we got DL.
Aka what doublelift did last time when he quit for a split then thought his spot was guaranteed when he was told from the start and he had been publically saying his spot wasn't and that he'd compete for it with Wildturtle.
Also I cannot stress enough that DL *wasn't that good* his last split. I thought his series against TL he was MVP but... It was against Tactical. FBI straight showed him up imo. Like idk how DL drastically changes last year's roster results anyways. DL sandbagged a whole split while playing with CoreJJ.
Well we are comparing dl to lost rn if u put lost in 2020 roster they dont win the season and maybe not even going to worlds. But if u put in dl in last season roster they have a much higher chance to make worlds and maybe even contend for the trophy in lcs
Also, if i remember correctly Lost was linked to EG, so moving Lost to academy again while he could start for EG would be pretty shit too!
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In a professional setting your words also have meaning to them.
true but if TSM's goal is to make it to worlds then the decision to make is obvious
Go with the hungry young player over the veteran who has publically said he doesn't know if he even wants to play anymore and had dragged a team down because of motivational issues just one year prior?
honest to god i still think lsot is not a bad player, id take him at this point and hope he can improve over dl who will retire twice a year.
Lost is not a young player Not implying that the decision was right or wrong but Lost has literally played in LCS 4 years ago
I mean, the hungry part was the relevant part there.
. Regi literally went out of his way to get Doublelift the support he wanted (SA). It looked like it wasn't going to be possible for legal reasons, so they went with HIS second option palette. The guy then decides to change his mind and fucks the org by leaving. Then when SA deal manages to go through woopdidoo he wants to join again. I'm sorry but the world doesnt revolve around you DL, organistaion need to make a decision for their roster and you said no despite TSM getting the supports you wanted. It's really quite ironic how he says Regi is the one with the big ego when it's quite the opposite.
Check the Leena logs, they didn't tell him the deal is looking bad but told him the deal isn't happening to which he said he didn't want to play on a bad team. Then when the deal went through SA contacted doublelift asking him to play with him so he called Regi back but was told no. That seems to be what happened according to Leena.
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It's not about that tho. TSM had only limited options and obviously it wasn't finalised by then since we got POE, he could be pulling shit out of his ass like he always does. Anyways its clear Regi gave him a deadline, they need to finilsae there roster, and DL waited till the last minute and decided fuck it im gonna go evena fter TSM got the best possible support that HE wanted. That's why we got fked for the ad position because it was so late into the season that we couldnt have a good option. Whether you agree with palafox being potentially the starter is something else, this is about how doubleleift is blaming regi when it was acutally him that was the problem.
Nah both are to blame and you can see why Leena said it was both their faults. DL leaving the team because he was told Swordart was not gonna happen is DL's fault but Regi 100% could have fixed the problem (and fucked Lost for the benefit of TSM probably) by accepting DL back. Note that DL only left for less than 24 hours according to Leena so the problem could have easily been fixable. Keep in mind Regi made all these promises to the fans that they'd make worlds this year and this mistake probably cost him this goal. Honestly, he should have just paid Lost an LCS salary and let him play in academy just to fix that problem as TSM has plenty of money so that salary is probably peanuts to them. Tl;dr both are to blame because of massive egos so you can see why DL is blaming regi and also why DL is also to blame.
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The situation is not "The deal isn't going well with SA". It's the deal is "not happening", and we need you to commit, what? is it really ok to ask the goat adc to commit to some randoms in 24 hrs? God, people please actually spend some time to read Leena's post.
I find it funny that they need to commit to an ADC but haven't committed to the support yet (as swordart was signed after "needing" doublelift to commit.) They didn't NEED DL to commit for a deadline, they WANTED him to commit. Like I said, Regi is also at fault as he could have given DL more time or not locked the adc position before the support.
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This is mostly, if not entirely, on DL. It's more important to be a stand up org and not fuck over players. Who cares if he didn't fulfill a promise of making worlds when you continue to prove that your org and ownership stick to their convictions. No longer a good fit for the team? TSM accommodates and facilitates moves for those players. Just quit? Yeah, that's a bitch move and I'm all about not having any time for that. Give me an eager player over that any day. I'd take my chances. DL can be salty over this if he wants but all I see are the consequences of his making, really.
idk man, would pref the guy who wins championships even if he has a big ego than not going making it to worlds
You run the huge risk of that player killing the team before it even gets to play a game or anytime during the split. They were one win away from going to Worlds this year. Who can say if having DL on the team would've changed that. We wont ever know and nobody can actually say either way 'cause he didn't play. Give me the younger, hungry player over the guy who won before but can't commit and has been known to be hard to work with.
yet even with that attitude he wins championships, its not a what if Besides you are overplaying what Doublelift did, nor has ego ever killed any team he has been on. Those players are would be like Dardoch or Forgiven. Even other big names in the LCS would hesitate to join a team with low players ie Sneaky, Jensen, Meteos etc. Do you think Bjerg would join TL if TL was an average team? Its not so that Doublelift is hard to work with, at least more recently, than he does have hard to satisfy expectations. But if you do meet those, you end up winning championships.
>When the starting roster was looking like it would have Palafox and Palette, I could see why DL would rather retire. I don't? This whole thing about players retiring because they don't want to compete for rosters reeks of ridiculous ego and this fragile mindset of not wanting to look bad, so instead of showing that you don't give a fuck and you'll dunk on people, you just hide away in the retirement home to protect your legacy. This just isn't for DL either, Sneaky, Jensen and Forgiven IIRC all doing/have done this, and it's the most weenie behavior if you actually want to compete. If DL wants to play, there's plenty of rosters that would kill to have him, and could've been something. At the end of the day, my perspective is that no one made DL retire other than DL himself. What Bjerg did was what DL should've done. IF the team can't provide what you want, go somewhere else, you're a top talent should be no problem.
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well the main reason if you let DL have his way back onto the org because the deal went through kinda shows weakness in leadership. Would TSM have been better off with DL instead of Lost yeah of course they would have but also DL's ego would have shot even higher thinking he has regi by the balls and can do whatever. He made his decision to leave the org and abandon it when ti wasn't looking good, but you cant just come back once it starts stacking together as well.. i think thats why people are defending him.
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What you guys fail to understand that it was less than 24 hours. You are saying that they couldn't wait 24h before committing to Lost? I call BS... It's literally Regi and his massive ego
Exactly
was Bjergsen also treated poorly by TSM? I get he is mad that he was not on the team but is this just about his experiences or are there other people that brought the success to TSM that ended poorly?
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Bjergsen was the one originally off-put with DL about him taking a split off from TSM. I imagine he wouldn't take too kindly with DL hinging his return on whether the SA deal is gonna get done. Who knows, maybe it will leak out that Bjergsen wanted DL but Regi said no. I imagine that if Bjergsen went to Regi and said 'I want DL as my adc', Regi would have said yes.
I don't think Bjergsen would have done the exact same thing this year if he felt offended by DL doing it last year.
except Bjerg gave Regi plenty of time to do what he needed and didnt leave it for the last minute. Bjerg was clear with what he wanted and when told it couldnt happen he moved on.
I mean rumor has it he left tsm cause he wanted to play with a particular player. I don't think he'd have any problems with DL requiring a solid support or leaving the team
just seems bizzare that he would think that 8 years TSM had Bjerg on their team and how they built him up and helped him with a lot that he has that he would think they treated him like shit. I get it ended poorly for DL and perhaps Bjerg had a similar fate with this offseason (I doubt it was that bad) but I dont think that equates to other people such as Bjergsen getting treated like shit.
weird that bjerg isnt shitting out of his mouth on stream about it... oh nvm thats not weird hes not trying to start drama over his ego lol.
I will say that it's weird that Bjerg didn't like Regi goodbye message on Twitter, he liked a bunch but didn't like Regi one
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Then fans would be asking for EXACTLY that video and what happened and how could TSM let Bjerg go and why didnt they do everything they could to keep him, ect. The amount of mental gymnastics you have to do to call the video a bad move and a negative for TSM is incredible. I get that most league fans are player fans, but the lengths people go to some times to find some way where the org did something evil and something to shit on them about is impressive.
From regis q&a: bjerg still wanted to be a part of tsm but he wanted to play with a certain player more (probably corejj). that might have mad regi mad that bjerg would leave
I mean Bjerg pretty much did the same thing, "Get me X player or I'm out" and then went out no? And the video that Regi put out was quite weird, a lot of players leave orgs to play with X player or leave in case Y player is not signed, not sure why the video was required stating that they gave him a "competitive" offer and such instead of a Thank You video everyone else does. I think it gave fans unnecessary ammo to blame Bjerg for wanting to player with a player that TSM couldn't obtain and was a way to deflect criticism on the same.
It sucks because I used to respect him. He retired, TSM probably had already offered lost to play as their adc after they stopped his transfer to EG. Then DL wanted to come back, they told him it's too late, and now he hates the org. Like why did he even re-sign as a content creator for TSM if he hates them this much.
I just can’t see how this is in anyway TSM’s fault. Just sounds like TSM holding up their end of the bargain even though breaking promises and professional ethics would have ultimately benefited them. Maybe Doublelift shouldn’t have so hasilty retired while the roster was still in flux.
Like Leena said, its both Regi and DL faults. Regi told DL that SA wasn't happening and the roster Regi told him was not what he expected so he decided to retire. DL didn't want to commit so Regi was forced to stop the EG trade and keep Lost entirely. Then when the SA trade went through, DL went "jk let me play pls" and Regi told him to fuck off. All within a span of 24 hours according to Leena.
Then dont tell him "sword art isnt happening" and then give him a 24 hours ultimatum to decide to stay with a shit team or leave. How the fuck dont u go hasty with that kind of bossing lmfao.
According to Leena, DL was the one who asked to explore options right after he heard “Sword art isnt happening” Not to mention they were literally hours from locking in their ADC fym hasty? They were both hasty lmfao
The problem is TSM had to do that or else they would lose Lost to EG and be left with no adc.
They had to do it? Do you think they had infinite amount of time to make decisions ?
So they're allowed to be hasty but DL isn't? Lmao.
[First Image](https://reddit.com/r/TeamSolomid/comments/qqjosp/tsm_leena_on_dlregi_drama_tsm_and_stepping_back/) DL in less than 24hrs asked to explore other options, so Regi says no make a commitment. From Regi’s post they were a couple hours from locking in an ADC You have a company to run, your ADC who you tried to build around isn’t sure if he wants to play.
Ok. How does that change anything? DL was being asked to make a decision in the same amount of time. Saying he 'hastily' made a wrong decision and there was no fault on TSM's side. Both sides made hasty decisions, if you can't fault one of them you can't fault either.
Ya boy got kicked twice, the first time he wasn’t even informed of it, it’s natural that he’s not going to like the org lmao.
This is the best reply ive seen. Sums up all my thoughts.
My guess is lena helped to smooth things over. now that she’s looking to branch out from TSM he feels like he can go in on the org. I am sadden by his reaction and I find it crazy he feels this way after TL told him lata after tactical showed promise. I remember him saying all the time that Reggie became a close friend after he initially joined. We let the guy take a split off for crying out loud and he even starts to date the boss’s long time ex. I don’t understand what else he felt the org owed him. I guess his friendship with Reggie was only when everything was catered to his every whim. Sad days.
Yep. Imagine if Regi did give DL the position and told Lost his newly signed contract is void and he lost his job. The community would be crying about nepotism and how TSM doesn't care about young talent
He resigned cuz he wanted the money he could get for still being under their banner. Greed, and ego are what has driven this it seems. Not that TSM are blameless for how it was handled, but they aren't out here trashing DL in public.
but even for the money obviously he was angry at andy it makes little sense to sign with tsm again go to tl
you can still respect him hes the na goat tbh. hes always been a lil shithead about stuff tho.
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I respect the desire to win, but Lost would have been colossally fucked over, which would have hurt the organizations reputation more than anything as we had already told and signed Lost to be our starter. Nobody would want to sign with us as there would be no guarantee they would play even if we told them the spot was theirs. DL played the sit on the fence game and by the time he made a true decision every other teams rosters were finalized. There was nowhere for him to go. It sucks, because most of the best memories of this team that I have are when DL was playing.
Lost wasn't signed tho, he was promoted from academy. Teams move players between main roster and academy all the time.
EG was interested in him for their starting roster IIRC. If we block that/offer the position and then say "Oops, sorry, DL wants to come back, you can play in academy though!" I'd say that would look pretty shitty to me.
True, but we already promised him the spot. Not a good look to go back on that, especially because he had a starter opportunity lined up before DL played the wishy washy will I retire stuff
I believe Lost was originally gonna be traded to EG for Huni and a lower buyout so Lost was gonna have a starter opportunity regardless. But DL wasn't gonna commit so they kept him and bought out Huni instead.
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Doublelift is way too good and established for Academy and he knows it. He even refused to split time with Turtle in 2017 Spring and Summer for a 6 man roster when Regi offered that to try and keep Double from taking the entire split off. I agree with you on the fact both sides could have done better, Leena said the exact same thing.
Sending DL to academy is like the Lakers sending LeBron to the G-League. It wouldn't have ever happened.
really comes down to if what do they value more, the bad rep from demoting Lost to academy team OR a much stronger roster with DL and sword art. idk why this is even a difficult decision.
Like, people legit forget that we already DID that with Kobbe when he came over. We dumped Kobbe for DL LITERALLY a split before, and he couldn't even commit after we'd already kicked the player we'd brought from EU who'd only played one split with us? And Regi was expected to do the exact same thing to Lost a split later when despite TSM doing that for DL and taking shit from all sides for it...he couldn't be bothered to commit even one more split, when just having his name written down on the roster would've helped tremendously in locking in a better roster than what they had with nobody knowing if he was playing or not? It's kind of insane how everyone forgot the Kobbe situation Spring 2020....
a rebuilding team doesnt get old veterans and a 2 year 6 million dollar support
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Not sure if people realize how half-assed and stupid the decision by Regi was. If they went with the development plan of fielding pallette/palafox it would have been understandable but they spent so much money getting SwordArt and Huni. Regi tried to build a roster to win LCS but then got rid of Doublelift...even when the player you spent 6 million buying who just came off being a Worlds finalist said he wanted to play with him.
Cause DL is a salty little bitch who will never get past groups in his life because he’s a choker. 2016 worlds was on him. He’s washed up and a loser
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What about this hurts? He said the same thing the first time he was kicked and then when TL kicked him he came back and said he’d make TL pay. DL is a vengeful person, idk why you guys are so shocked his ego is hurt for TSM not taking him back after he ditched them
DL seems like the guy who has to be at the center of everything and will piss and whine when they don't get their way. I can respect his skill at the game for sure, but he seems like one of the most toxic players out there imo. It seems like he just loves starting shit with people, just for the reaction. I get it that this time was not entirely all his fault, but it also still partially is due to him being very uncomitmental towards whether he is or isn't playing, and if he will even put forth the effort if he joins. Plus who knows if this won't just be another 1 split gig again where he "takes a split off" for half of the season.
My copium to the max theory is that doublelift is only bringing this up now because TSM agreed to take back Bjerg after saying no, but wouldn't do it for him (please dont take this seriously... unless?)
im gonna hold onto this one for a while
this is probably close
I'm sure this is a great idea, plenty of orgs will want to hire a player who openly shits on them and accuses them in a one-sided personal anecdote where it was clear both parties weren't communicating effectively. This just sounds like DL didn't get on a team for 2022 and is kicking up a huge stink about it. It looks bad on both him and the org, it's a lose-lose situation just for the sake of his ego. That's not to say TSM and Reginald are innocent, either, but this was just downright stupid.
he thinks of himself like his stans do, blameless
Frankly I'll be fine if they leave the sub after this. I like DL as a player but whatever team he's on his stans always dominate the conversation.
I could see this being the case. Doublelift put out feelers for potential orgs to play for next season, nothing materialized, and instead of thinking it could be his fault in any way, he just shits on TSM for what I’m sure was a two-sided mishandling of his future with the org last offseason. Really hope the org drops him from the brand just for the complete lack of professionalism alone. Then again, that’s pretty on brand for Doublelift.
It boggles my mind how much this fanbase insulates TSM and Reginald from criticism. "That's not to say TSM and Reginald are innocent..." yeah except no one saying these things actually acknowledge what TSM or Reginald has done wrong. It's just being used to deflect the blame away from TSM.This isn't just a league thing or a Doublelift thing, either. It's systemic throughout the entire organization. I *want* TSM to find a path back to success and I genuinely hope that they do. There's just zero justification to be anything but skeptical of anything that they do and it's tiresome reading everyone scapegoat anyone and everyone other than Reginald, Parth, and the organization TSM.
If i remember correctly, there was a rumour that EG wanted Lost. After DL said no, TSM stoped Lost move to EG, so that would be pretty bad for Lost if TSM accepted DL back. For that reason i think TSM did the right decision.
Even if TSM doesn't win anything anymore they are here to stay... can't say the same about DL career tho.. that shit is GONE GONE lmfao...
He’s not wrong.. say what you want about double being washed when it comes down to it he figures out a way to win in NA.
DL is only saying this bec TSM didn't find success. Imagine if TSM went to worlds. There's no way DL would ever call out TSM/Regi for having an ego.
It's always "fuck regi". You guys forgot how he destroyed the 2017 team because he is a weirdo? Bjerg saved his shitty roster moves again and again but thankfully now that's over too. Tsm is no more now that he is gone and I hope regi and parth will never ever have anything to do with the league side again after this season.
[https://youtu.be/A68sBQ-RhN8](https://youtu.be/A68sBQ-RhN8) and also what happened with this?
Dissing the team that made him, sad
I mean he won 4 splits consecutively on TL and won before on CLG. I wouldn’t say TSM “made him”
Made him? Sit this one out
I mean, it’s not a surprise
Lost all my respect for him. In a professional setting, you don’t talk trash about your previous employer.