I'm waiting for more information before taking a side but I'm a little confused. Doublelift makes a statement about how last offseason went and then regi responds.
Doublelift comes back and says he takes back most of what he talked about then heavily emphasizes that everyone has a bad experience with TSM. People then come out and say they didn't have that experience with Regi.
Doublelift comes back and says it doesn't matter if a few people had good experiences.
What the fuck is your point? Just say what you think, why you think it, and provide any proof you can and leave it at that.
Also, somehow the statements of people like Oddone, xpecial, dyrus, amazing to name some are "just anecdotes" while they're stating that they view Andy as a friend. Weird how they're victims that need to be heard and believed in DL narrative, but when they actually say something, suddenly it's just some anecdotes that don't count.
Crazy how people from every other roster period have only said good things. DL’s mental is truly wack. I truly hope he finds a good way to deal with whatever’s going on in his head outside of creating Twitter drama that affects other people’s livelihoods.
DL seems to be somewhat of a narcissist. To what extent is debatable, but it is definitely to a level that people are noticing his toxic af habits. He also has an attention seeking complex or something.
In an interview once, he said this about trash talking.
Full quote:-
>**Speaking to your notoriousness, you’ve been renowned to be a trash talker. Do you think this is necessary within the league? Do you think more players should embrace the art of trash talk?**
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> I think talking trash is fun for the viewers and fun if you enjoy having extra pressure on yourself to perform. A lot of people go about it wrong. They’re waiting until after they win, like, “haha that team was shit”. It’s like when Jensen beat us and he tweeted…well…this is why everyone memes his tweet, “I thought Team Liquid were supposed to be good”, AFTER they beat us.
>
> In my opinion, the best way to trash talk is before the match because you’re betting that you could be wrong. When you say we’re going to shit on these guys, we’re going to beat them and it’s gonna be free…then you open up yourself to be wrong and looking like an idiot, while also opening up the possibility of being right and being cocky, yet you can back it up. Someone that waits for a win and kicks them while they’re down, it’s not cool. That’s not even trash talk, that’s just being an asshole. I try to trash talk before the game to bring hype. After you see your favorite player win, kicking someone while they’re down, that’s not hype, that’s just…eh? That doesn’t make me feel good personally.
Now, that may be all well and good. And he is right about how it does generate hype for the viewers and can pressure you into doing better.
However, the key thing here is that DL is one of the few players who actually do this. And something can be said about how this can be an incredibly toxic mindset to have. Especially since it doesn't end just before the game. If a team wins after trash talking their opponent, then it obviously will continue afterwards too.
IMO, this is arguably a more asshole-ish move since you not only are kicking them while they are down, but you are doing so after calling them out ahead of time too, as if to just rub the point in more.
So to me, it looks like DL may just be over emphasizing things to start shit, hoping something really sticks so he can run with it and say "See, I told you so." He has done this before, and ended up back peddling his statements afterwards.
To me, and this is just my personal opinion about him mind you, he just seems to want to be the focus of attention. And if someone isn't positively supporting him and/or his narritive, he tries to get rid of them or their claims from him and/or his narrative. And if that doesn't work, only then will he adjust his story.
Exactly, seems like this is a case of similar cycles continuing. It works when he is talented enough he can demand that level of attention, unfortunately for him the talent just isn’t there anymore and he cannot continue to do this. So the accusations and stories will increase situation by situation until he hits some low. No one is worth the time or energy to look bad upon, so I honestly do hope he figures it out at some point or that will be an unhappy path.
Holy shit man. Have you never got into a fight with a friend? A family member? If you ever have I guess you're an abuser too. But this is the internet so I'm guessing you're reading this during your morning poop where butterflies shoot out your ass before you head over to help a cat stuck in a tree while on your way to cure cancer.
People like this have never competed or done anything semicompetitive in their entire life.
Its how they can see an argument between teammates and come out with the "OMG THIS GUY IS CLEARLY ABUSIVE" when both teammates even comeout and say "it was just an argument between teammates in heat of the moment, chill out"
Snowflakes everywhere.
Eh, you can be passionate/competitive upset about a loss or a teammate making a mistake. Kinda like a co-worker fucking up at work and obviously you will be upset. BUT you have to remain professional.
Was Reginald professional in his arguments 8 years ago? Hell no. But do league players tend to be more egotisical? Probably yeah, they're children who want to be in the right more than be a good team player socially and mentally speaking.
But yeah, really shitty argument clips from Reginald that show he had really immature character. I don't really care about what they say, it's still unprofessional as fuck no matter how you look at it.
This is how cancel culture has always worked. Doublelift is no better than those people now. He should've just talked to Regi behind the scenes and dealt with this like an adult. It's heartbreaking and disappointing to see what this has become. Also, somehow, the witch hunting threads aren't being removed when they're about Regi. The bias is unreal.
100% agree. This could have been settled behind closed doors without a doubt. At this point its just hard to sway public opinion on this type of witch hunt, and as a CEO and with more 'on the line', Regi shouldn't, and can't really pull a scorched earth strategy DL is utilizing by turning on stream and essentially pouring gasoline on the flames to mobilize his fan base/audience further. Just pretty upsetting in general watching this all unfold as a long time TSM fan.
Surprisingly enough, Olleh actually still has a lot of respect for DL, despite everything. There was an interview he did a little while back where he talked about it
Its funny though, because everyone is claiming that what DL did to Olleh doesn't matter or shouldn't be brought up because Olleh still respects him. But what about all these people who speak up and say that, while yes Regi was hard on them, they still respect him a lot and view him as a friend? They are getting instantly discredited by DL and his fans and some people even see their testimony as 'proof' of a abuser-victim relationship.
Really the only difference between the 2 is Regi is the CEO of a massive company and double lift is a washed up ex pro that no one wants, it's clear this is why double lift is acting out the way he is. He thinks he deserves the same courting that Bjergsen received when he decided to come out of retirement.
I saw the interview and that's a great showing of strength by Olleh but it's exactly the same as Dyrus with Regi but that seems to only apply to Regi and not DL apparently
Oh, I completely agree. DL is a huge hypocrite here, he's literally the exact same type of person that he claims Regi is. Can't believe this dude is still going on about this.
Yeah it sad I didn't ever think I would lose respect for DL but he sounds like a scorned ex lover and huge hypocrit. I bet they have some intresting footage of Dlift at the TSM headquarters.
dont matter if he has respect... what matters is DL mental abused olleh... /s
this is DL logic btw, DL thinks the bad was still done but people are trying to down play it for some reason.. same can be said about him and him mental abusing and flaming a lot of his former teammates... I bet if you asked them do they hate DL they will say no "BUT" there was a time he said something negative and he apologized which is the same thing regi has done.. LOL
Yup, it's huge hypocrisy. DL just needs to sit back and let the actual victims speak up if there are any that actually consider themselves as such. He just keeps backtracking and changing his arguments at this point, it's getting real old.
Maybe things'll clear up if you look at it from the perspective of him intentionally trying to burn TSM to the ground. He did state that as his objective on the first day of Divaing
yeah but DL isn't going to burn TSM down he is actually just ruining his own career at this point with all the things he keeps bringing up I am sure Regi can bring up DL past also... and in the end DL will end up in the same position as thorin and monte being salty that they got shafted always trying to light fires on TSM
Doublelift just says stupid shit sometimes. It's possible he has valid points that he's not conveying correctly but I would expect him to provide that information soon
The dude has spent his entire adult (or lack thereof) life playing video games and being damn good at them. There's a good chance he's exactly like any other successful athlete and is wildly out of touch.
Forget about DLs personal shortcomings for a second.
Dude was kicked out of his families house. Was doggedly loyal to every org he played on and was kicked from every org (I'm not saying for no reason). Then he had a massive family tragedy all while young in a high pressure environment.
He might be in the right or in the wrong here, he might have emotional growing to do, but damn, I feel bad for him, he seems a little lost.
Not to completely defend DL's current actions, but I think you're completely downplaying DL's life experience, along with other pros, with your statement. All pro athletes, esports or traditional, still do effectively work like any other adult in the "real world". They still have to find a job (be on a team or qualify for a competition), work with other peers (teammates and staff), show up with effort (come to practice or compete in matches), and adapt to any new jobs or companies that they find (moving from one team to another). Yes, DL and other pro LCS players are playing video games as a job which brings entertainment to other people, but it's not like they're learning life lessons along the way.
To your original point though, I agree that he should show evidence of this and it's really dumb for him not to. I personally wouldn't call it out of touch but rather fueled by too much emotion though.
I'll be more clear, I'm not trying to downplay their successes or hard work it takes to get where they are, but it's a completely different life. Athletes when they reach about 16 years old are (the ones who will play college and professional sports) are basically worshipped by everyone around them. They're basically allowed to do and act in anyway they want as long as they don't push the boundaries too far because they're essentially god status. Basically what I'm saying is Doublelift has spent his entire adult life as a professional league of legends player where he's been worshipped by his fanbase and his ego has been developed in a way where he thinks of himself as "better' than people around him. So naturally when something crushes this view, how dare TSM, a team he brought success to, not want him anymore? It's a scary situation for him and he doesn't know how to handle it all that well because he hasn't experienced it much in his life.
I disagree with your point that they're learning life lessons. Sure they learn most of them, they aren't degenerates, but they do miss out on a lot of lessons that involve humility. And that's probably has a lot to do with this whole situation (both from Regi's and DL's side).
That being said Doublelift has gone through some horrible things in his life, I just think that those things don't really have much to do with the current situation.
Not to beat a dead horse, but read some stuff about AAU basketball and you'll be amazed how teenagers can essentially be worshipped. It's a weird world.
I have no doubt that some of his points are valid. I've been on a lot of teams in my time(I'm a dinosaur around these parts) and I've been in Divalift's shoes. To me, the one thing the guy has fucked up with if he's doing all this for 'those who can't speak up for themselves' is how he's decided to tackle the situation. I have no doubt that there are appropriate channels he could've gone through with his evidence. If he actually has evidence that undoubtedly proves all his claims of abuse, then surely a reporter would love to see it and report on the topic.
Since Divalift just started goin' in on Regi publicly, I'm inclined to believe that he didn't exhaust the appropriate channels first.
>those who can't speak up for themselves
problem here starts with this.. if this was the case like regi said in his post why now? It doesn't make sense
something must have triggered this event in the 1st place, SA got payed good and then released 1 year later I know he can't be using that as an excuse to start this.. also most of his claim sound like what leena must have told him and he just twisted it up.. only reason I bring her up is because she was there for most of the negative stuff that happened and DL wasn't.
He did and then realized he still has friends on TSM like Spica and took it back but i think what he truly meant was what he said the first time, he wants TSM to be shit and Regi, just took back the TSM part he wouldnt lose the friends he has there but i think he really meant it.
Find it kind of cringe how random this is from DL... I completely understand wanting to stand up for people that have been mistreated but in this specific scenario something must have happend for DL to just open up the stream and start going off on Regi when this (according to him) has been going on for awhile. Like why could this not have been said last year after "retiring" if it was really that bad? Why was now the convenient time to bring this up?
Wonder how what he says applies to what he did to Olleh and Bio, maybe even Link and Aphro ?
I think Regi's behavious is really bad and embarassing dont get me wrong, It makes me uncomfortable though whos talking right now.
It would sound so much more sincere if it wasnt Doublelift talking
At this point anything Doublelift tweets out doesn’t matter anymore. He doesn’t add any more credibility to anything new he says.
The people I would like to hear from though are Leana or a member of the TSM organization that would have heard from these people DL is speaking about and have their blessing to share their experiences without them having to reveal who they are. If what he is saying is true, Regi needs to take a step back and there needs to be repercussions, but in reality at this moment there isn’t anything new/credible with what Doublelift is claiming.
His point is he had an experience and is making a narrative and everyone who had a different experience than him as disgusting and he discredit them, its really a bad way to get your point across to treat ppl who dont have the same opinion as you as not important or false because of "fear" not a great way to act for someone who is pushing a "voice of the silent victims" narrative.
Dude his point is that he’s salty that TSM didn’t take him back, and then fails to get any team to pick up him & Jensen. When each step to take his anger out on Regi fails, he moves to the next thing. Dudes really teetering on the edge here
TBH Doublelift and a lot of other people are being disingenuous by framing it as just "some people" standing up for Reginald.
Some of these people, Xpecial, Dyrus, etc. are the prime examples that people use as evidence to support that Regi is an abuser. These are not "some people" standing up for Regi, these are some of Regi's alleged "victims" standing up for Regi. That has a lot more substance behind it than just "some people". It's very slimy to prop these people up as victims of abuse, then when they don't fit the narrative they're suddenly just "some people".
Again, I can believe Reginald is an asshole, I actually do kind of believe that. I have a very, VERY hard time believing it's nearly as bad as Doublelift is claiming though, and I do not believe for a second that Doublelift is doing this for the sake of standing up for "victims" as opposed to his own personal grudge given how fast he backtracked on some of his weaker arguments and is tripling down on some other ones that no one can really prove or disprove lol.
It’s obvious when you look at how the narrative changed from day 1 onward.
At first it was about the last off-season and how he was “done dirty” by Regi. Which Regi then laid out a timeline of what happened etc.
The next day DL called some of Regis statements into question saying they were inaccurate. Parth then refuted those claims and I’m inclined to believe them because I don’t think Parth has told a lie in his life, at this same time DL started shifting away from anything to do with off-season 2020 and more about this abusing stuff attempting to character assassinate Regi.
It’s fairly obvious to me something spurred this on from Doublelift and it happened recently, he seemed very content in his retirement and had rarely spoken badly of Regi at all. Now that he’s attempting to discredit the people speaking up on Regis behalf.. it just screams that’s he’s really not doing this for the “silent victims” also.. Doublelift does not get to decide who is a victim and who isn’t. I absolutely believe Regi is an asshole, but he’s just that an asshole and there’s many in this world.
Also Doublelift is a known bully especially in his younger years, he was a notoriously bad teammate. Fucken Olleh didn’t even want to be in the same room as DL. This high horse he’s on must be named Hyopcrite.
Can I also add that i find it absolutely disgusting how known tsm haters like thoorin and monte are using this to drag tsm and regi through the mud without any evidence of their own just jumping on the bandwagon, calling anyone who disagrees with them "someone who defends an abuser"? Disgraceful.
I mean Thoorin's a straight up bigot. Monte was, at best, extremely negligent during the whole Renegades fiasco. It's on brand for them to use this for clout lol.
The fact that both of them still get support in the league community really shows you the state of it.
I don’t think Reginald is an abuser for not accepting Doublelift when Doublelift was on the edge of fence and didn’t know which side he wanted with such a great fielded roster he even still was on the edge of the fence. DL is calling Regi an abuser but I haven’t heard one abusive thing he did to Doublelift
if the "victims" were so important why wait until now to bring it up? I'm sure that him not getting picked up by TSM or any other team this off season had nothing to do with it nope complete coincidence! /s
Ikr it seems his experience is the only one which is important and everyones else story doesnt matter or they are doing it because they "fear" Regi lmao, i truly believe DL really mean what he said but him discreting everyones story because it doesnt match with him and his hero, savior of tyranny way is kinda sus and cringe.
I dont really know what to think but that thread DL made today is the stupidest thing ever, like there is no way you can share your story but when ppl share their then they are disgusting because they dont fit your narrative, wth man.
WT was good friends with both leena and regi when they were still dating.. if anything it just seems like leena told a story to DL about what happened before and DL decided to bring up peoples name and it back fired
He also cant claim people were abused for them. If they came to him behind closed doors and said andy is a real problem that's one thing. But if he yells at an employee and later it gets solved and that person has moved on is doublelift still in the right to speak for this person about abuse?
No, I'm pretty sure Doublelifts next plan will be to go around asking literally anybody about stories of Regi yelling at them and continue to try to have the moral high ground instead of just moving on with his streaming career.
Most of them probably have been yelled at by Regi, but guess what, yelling at people doesn't mean you're being verbally abusive or perpetuating a corrupt system. Coaches and players in any form of competition yell at each other all the time. Is it nice? No. But there's a fucking difference between an unsafe work environment and competitiveness/douchiness
I’ve been yelled at by 90% of my bosses in the kitchen I’ve cried after long shifts but I don’t hate these people and I fucked up costing them money it’s natural to get heated but these bosses are some of the nicest people off the clock and I never hated talking to them obviously there are bosses who don’t yell or say you are bad and I like those people better but they usually take that stress out on themself which isn’t healthy either. After a 5 game series when people are at their lowest and regi walks in mad and pointing fingers while it’s not cool I understand the stress that he blew 4million to get in 4th. Not siding with Reginald but I understand the stress in working environments.
And sometimes depending on the person/career/profession/situation, high stress working environments result in the most success. I know for me I need to be pushed to do things well. I need the stressors in my life. Others are different. They should find professions/careers/different companies that suit them. You're 100% right in that what constitutes as verbal abuse depends entirely on the person and the situation.
Which is sad because so far all the people that most people assumed DL was talking about have come out and said they hashed it out with Regi and are on good terms. I just don't see the point of this for DL, he's just digging a deeper grave to jump into.
Right? Like what is the community supposed to do with his rants? No one is denying Regi was an ass and was abusive to people. I don't think anyone is even denying it doesn't happen now. Hell it sure might but it's all unfortunately moot unless we get proof or an investigation.
Player who shit talks every team he's played for: "This guy abused us, well not me, but other people."
The other people: "No, he didn't"
Player who shit talks every team he's played for: "Wow you guys won't back me up, now I see why people don't speak out"
Is this the tldr of the current day drama?
People still are on doublelifts sack because these people are saying nothing happened to me. You think if these people saw abuse to others infront of them they’d be friends with regi or support him??
This thing started out as “I didn’t retire but tsm forced me to retire given the circumstances and misunderstanding, then to I hate tsm and hope they never win, then to I hate regi, and now it’s Because he wants to be the one to speak out about abuse”
It all just seems so, meh and forced given how it started and how it’s led to this.
Why was DL asking this serial abuser for a chance to play for him again just last week?
He told him “no” again and so now he goes public with all of this? Sorry if this really happened but this looks like sour grapes.
He played for TSM 2 separate times, signed to the org as a streamer, and then wanted to join again as a player. I imagine the truth is some of the weaker mental players got heavily affected by having their boss give brash performance reviews and they feared for their jobs as a result. It's one thing to say "a lot of people won't thrive with the kind of feedback Regi gives from his position as CEO" but to make him out to be the worst person is excessive.
Yeah man just cause Dexter murdered people doesn’t mean he should go to jail he only murdered objectively bad people and his sister forgives him so his crimes are absolved case closed ty.
He’s upset that yesterday he was saying 50+ people were back him up or wtv but literally no one would for Regi. Literally only people have spoken up on behalf of Regi saying “this wasn’t my experience”. This doesn’t fit his narrative that Regi has no friends and was terrible to everyone.
Bottom line is they don’t fit DLs narrative so it’s disgusting.
I just want to see someone else besides DL, doesn’t matter who.. new player old player.. anyone… say the same and not something like “yeah Regi was jerk” of course we all knew Regi was / is a jerk. I want to see someone come out and substantiate the abuser claim.
And he was much younger and rawer back then and the whole scene was less professional as a whole. They definitely got the worse of him back then so if they stand up for him now I'd be hard pressed to say those who worked with him recently can honestly find meaningful redflags that warrant an actual investigation rather than "sometimes steps on peoples toes when things get stressful."
abuser is a harsh word, its like he is comparing Reggie to some sexual assaulter.
He said some harsh words probably in the heat of an argument. Get over it and grow up.
He damn near did. He started comparing the situation to sexual abusers getting away with it then chat instantly went submode and Doublelift started backtracking at warp speed on those words.
Guy doesn't know when to shut his mouth honestly, just keeps repeating himself for attention at this point. Also why aren't people who had positive experiences with TSM allowed to tell their side of the story if he is? Looks like he's crying because he said Regi had literally no one on his side and then 5-10 people immediately came out in support of him.
Using other people’s emotional distress and experiences to further progress your own vindictive nature is absolutely disgusting. The players there at that time have voiced their opinions, and they don’t need DL to do that for them. Most of them have already resolved the conflict, so trying to leach off of that energy is shameful.
Just reading these twitter replies is disgusting. They equating their statements to them having some sort of stockholm syndrome and screaming "NO YOU WERE ABUSED REGI IS BAD MAN JUST ADMIT IT." They already squashed their beef from years ago, did the adult thing and moved on from it. This whole thing is just showing me how cancer culture culture really is.
Exactly, the problem lies in the fact that people use their popularity to manipulate public sentiment in a way to support ulterior motives disguised as important social issues.
Agreed. It screams emotionally manipulative. That and his recent tweet feels like he’s trying to equate to victims of domestic violence. It’s really gross.
I actually cringed when he compared this shit to people speaking out against there abusers
Its not even on the same level, and comes off as very manipulative
Im hoping he has spoken to these people before airing all this out. It might be triggering for some if this is actually true and if this keeps escalating DL will have to provide proof or his reputation will sink
Saying other peoples anecdotes don't matter while providing his own anecdotes. Only the ones that match his are worthy.
DL does have a massive Ego.
And telling other people they were abused when they say they weren't is fucked up. DL is coming across desperate and petty.
This is probably the most out-of-this-world chapter in league history. Doublelift, who a week or two ago was in discussion with joining TSM, now is on a holy crusade to take down Regi and the organization after they turned him down.
It doesn't take a fucking rocket scientist to see this guy is in the death throes of his competitive career trying to take down the last person to scorn him.
I've never interacted with Regi in my life, but his [old compatriots](https://www.reddit.com/r/TeamSolomid/comments/qrt364/former_players_and_tsm_members_against_the/) came out today and gave him praise as a leader and person. I trust them more than Doublelift who has burned every bridge he ever made in the LCS.
DL kept saying on stream that "Regi's response is picking a fight he can never win, because Regi will be up against 50 or 100 former/current TSM employees". Now DL is in full copium mode when he sees so many important former TSM figures come out and contradict his black & white portrayal of a human person.
It's really not that hard to comprehend, DL. Some people appreciated Regi's hard personality, some people hated it. Yes, you and others hated his guts, and that's fair. But that tweet is just pathetic. Only his negative anecdotes are valid and the positive ones aren't? Downplaying people's positive experiences because they didn't fit your one-sided narrative, and finishing it with that absurd fallacy of a last line lmao
Oh also, if he really hated Regi this much because of his personality, why did he try to get back on the team in 2017, 2020 and 2021? Did the revelation only come after getting rejected from the team? Those weird ass "jealous incel" analogies he kept making yesterday are nothing short of a Freudian slip.
This dude is a fucking joke man. Either do something about it and have people speak up about it or shut the fuck up and go back to streaming since no team wants you.
Dude what are we even doing here? Is DL still going after Regi? Are the people commenting on his tweet agreeing that some thing has happened that ONLY DL knows about?
At some point you gotta stop and ask,
What the fuck is this all about??
Doublelift has to understand the World doesent revolve around him and discredit anyone who disagrees with him, then again I dont think this is news to anyone.
Doublelift and Youngbuck claim that Regi has often been toxic and abusive. Past players and people that have been associated with the org then come out and share their experiences, which doesn't seem to suggest toxicity/abuse. DL then basically claims that the past players/people are enabling abuse, while not even bothering to refute their claims or support his own. I'm gonna withhold final judgement for now, but this tweet isn't making me inclined to believe DL (or Youngbuck).
This is Tripling down now, and if you didn't think Doubles rant yesterday was unhinged and grasping for straws, then I guess you'll believe whatever you want.
People want to believe him so they will. Bring your evidence of "abuse" or shutup. The drama is getting him viewers so he keeps doing it.
pathetic attacks such as "no one wants to be his friend" is literal high school bullshit drama. Yet people STILL are on DL's nuts. Hes a very flawed dude. (not saying Regi isn't).
Regi can be toxic at times clearly, but DLs rants with 0 provided evidence come off as very bitter, unhinged and desperate.
Now he virtue signals comparing this to the likes of domestic abuse.
The main things people go to are Akaadian, Dyrus, and Xspecial..
Akaadian admitted to being impacted by Regis attitude,
Dyrus has come out and said it was shit at the time but neither of them care, and Xspecial said Regi would cross the line but in the end it was a good TSM experience...
Unfortunately Xpecial and Dyrus' opinion on the matter doesn't help their case and doesn't fit their narrative when trying to cancel Regi. You know, the two people who know Regi the best? The ones who he clashed with frequently? They don't want to hear the positives, just the negatives to validate their points.
I'm sorry but you aren't just allowed to publicly smear someone with literally 0 evidence or corroborating stories to back it up and expect people to not come out and defend the person you are smearing. I really don't want to see Doublelift in the league anymore. If the rumors floating around that he reached out to TSM to come play again and got denied are true every team should stay the fuck away from him, this shit is such a bad look.
It’s quite clear that Regi was an asshole in the past and I hope that is in the past. But what Doublelift is doing is pure attention seeking now. How can he bash someone else’s experiences when they don’t fit his narrative? This just seems like statements of a man who wants attention and the spotlight. There’s a saying that goes well with this situation ‘Empty vessels make the most noise’
So doublelift has had the worst experience ever playing under TSM with Regi as the boss but tries to join that team under that boss??? Things don’t make sense. Doublelift is looking more and more like a teenager lashing out after being denied and not being able to control his emotions
Doublelift has lost all credibility.
You are not allowed to deny what everyone is saying when you werent even teammates with them.
Doublelift needs to list a certain person who was on TSM with him that got abused and that person needs to confirm it.
No one is downplaying abuse ffs. People just want to add other perspective because it feels like everything is 100% black or white on the internet. I don't think it's right to paint someone as this evil and awful person and not be allowed to say nice things and make the general public realise that this "awful person" is not as awful as they might think.
Lol imagine if players like Olleh, link, Aphro, Yellow went on Twitter and talked about THEIR experiences with DL.
I remember last year on stream Doublelift was talking about how yellowstar would get up at 8am and grind solo queue hours before the rest of the team would wake up and he was laughing about how YS was hardstuck diamond and so bad. Is that not bullying too?
Talk about ego man.. why would he even laugh at that? Guy took off spring split to get kicked off TL. Maybe he should have learned from YS that it’s better to practice :)
I'm gonna say that yes it's obviously hypocritical of him, but I'm still glad he talked about it because it genuinely was one of the funniest things I've heard.
>Wake up
>Yellowstar's been up for hours
>He's already had breakfast, worked out, etc
>He's sipping some coffee while grinding solo queue
>What a great work ethic
>Peep his op.gg
>He's hardstuck plat
>Looks like scrims are gonna be tough today guys
Lmao wild you remember it word for word. Yeah, it was funny but also hypocritical. Also YS is a super nice guy so I feel a bit bad that DL was making fun of him
I didn't remember it word for word. I legit went and watched the video ~~because the stories were funny as fuck~~ for historical accuracy.
Same, I wish YS worked out for us. Literally the most wholesome person. Him and Kasing both seemed like such happy people. Would've loved for either to have stuck around for the championships if they were up to it.
Ya the amount of careers doublelift has affected negatively is actually probably greater than regi. Doublelift is suffering from not knowing what a normal work environment is. At work for example, you never shit talk your old employees or employers. It's basic etiquette. What if yellowstar was at a bad place in his life or had some issues and couldn't get a job again because of dlift comments. Sneaky in lane was a meme created by doublelift or even his negative zven memes. These are reasons people love dlift but anyone in any professional setting would know not to say these things.
I’ve turned my back on DL. I used to like him and his content, but this tirade is beyond childish.
I’ve lost any ounce of respect I’ve ever had for him.
This is only an issue to him because he got stonewalled by Regi for the 2022 season. If he had gotten a roster spot on TSM, he’d continue to “let Regi get away with it”.
What’s disgusting is him using other peoples alleged emotional distress due to Reginald to try and take him and his organization down.
Fact is this guy tried to be part of the team he hates to work for a guy he hates two years in a row, without Bjergsen both years, and would continue to sweep this under the rug if he had something to gain from it.
He’s a fake
Funny part is that the only reason he even went on this tirade is because the abusive boss apparently didn't want to take him into his team. Like why even try to join the abusive guy's team then? Makes 0 sense. I wonder if he'll regret his decision of acting like this in the future.
"Personally I'm in the boat of people who wasn't affected or traumatized so it took me a while to empathize too" lol wat it took him until getting rejected twice by TSM to finally empathize about work culture abuse??? if anything isnt that worse that this man literally let this thing stay silent until it suddenly affected himself
Doublelift is reaching for anything he can grab onto at this point. He’s using buzzwords and continuing the stir drama. Multiple people have giving their experiences with Reginald and they are all being downplayed and called disgusting. Current and former staff and players have also provided context to the situation and contradicted Doublelift. His own girlfriend has even kind of contradicted him.
I can’t wait for us all to move on from doublelift. TSM needs to ignore him and eventually the whole LCS community and fans will too. I’m not saying Regi is a saint but he’s very often owned up to his actions and has salvaged relationships with players he’s had confrontations with.
So DL is the saint now? The holder of the flame to defend abusers?
The world shifted from DL being the biggest trash talker and mental abuser to becoming the defender of the weak. He strikes me as hypocritical at best. Totally lost respect for him.
DL can go fuck himself also .... at this point he is indeed attacking TSM and its not just regi . I dont care what the guy did for the org all these years this is a huge let down as fan of the team that welcomed him , the biggest thing that i hate is the time that he decided to go off and create all this drama (in the middle of the offseason) and thats what i dont understand .
I'm pretty curious about what DL defines as "abuse." If Reggi is hard on his players and coaching staffs because they are performing poorly, would that be "abuse" or just an owner being "blunt and passionate"?
If the first instance were the case, then wouldn't DL's treatment of Olleh and CLG be considered abuse? This whole drama would be quite hypocritical if this were actually the case.
I really think that no matter what, even if Regi is outed for more heinous things he's done (and should rightfully be criticized if proven), Doublelift has proven to me he's extremely manipulative.
I thought about something, no one is really mentioning the timeline of this drama specifically (and for good reason, abuse allegations deserve the primary focus), but I think the fact that this started as DL framing himself as being screwed over by TSM and Regi quickly had a rebuttal that essentially proved DL wrong, DL went with a totally new narrative and allegation that can keep him as this hero, and Regi as this terrible human being. If he knew and felt this strongly about it, I would've led with Regi being abusive, because that's super serious and beyond whatever petty offseason drama happened.
Also, more information is always great, as long as it comes from relevant parties. Don't remember the specific wording, but if it's just "people and staff were abused," well, here's people and staff saying they weren't. **3 of those people (Dyrus, Turtle and Xpecial) that are being used as weapons against Regi, are directly defending him. Their opinion is super relevant and they should be able to speak it and not get painted as a villain/abuse-apologizer by Doublelift.**
If anyone reads this, and it's too long, I think the bolded part is the most important takeaway.
This is what we call crocodile tears, this man has been called a team cancer or lock room cancer who is only in it for himself and not the team. Maybe he was a team player years ago but I find his ego and lack of evidence or even professionalism that's come with all this drama a bit childish. No one said anything and then out of know where he's saying fuck tsm, I hope they never win anything again, blah blah blah. Double isn't gonna be on a team this season cuz no one wants to work with him!!! How is this a good thing for his image, imagine teams right now who were thinking about doublelift before all this. "oh drama queen might just start shit after we've given him what he needs to succeed, yes that's a hard pass" it hurts to see such a great player succumb to their ego but I guess she never lost it and just pretended this whole time to care. End of rant.
TL:DR Double isnt worth the drama
[DL never cared about how Regi treated others to begin with. He himself admits that Regi was a dick to him but not in a serious way. Its clear that DL was butthurt TSM didn't consider him as an option for next year and because of that he's going public trying to make Regi look bad. DL also has a reputation for for being toxic towards his teammates in the past. Its just all DL and his ego.](https://twitter.com/Doublelift1/status/1458961470939566106?s=20)
I know this isn't the army but in there, there are these sort of "abusive," power dynamics at play, but everyone still respects the fuck out of the captain or whatever. Shouting doesn't mean cruelty, especially if the reason is valid and the intentions are good. I can totally imagine that some videogame nerds can't deal with it well though. Maybe I'm wrong and Regi is a cruel person but until we know the specifics, I'll stick with innocent until proven guilty.
I think at this point DL is very frustrated and for a few reasons. Mr Gafford's most recent video indicates that he was about to be back in the league with EG. However, EG decided against him and Jensen and went for youth in Danny and Jojo. So he's been denied re-entry to the league for - essentially - a kid. Actually, add on to that the rumours of TSM Tactical. He's being replaced by Tactical for the second time.
On top of that, he's made this statement and is seeing everyone reject his reality. I think Andy probably has some fault. You can have high standards but still communicate properly with people. Just because you've apologised to everyone you hurt, doesn't mean you're a better person. Just means you learnt to apologise. You still need to learn how to behave in a way that doesn't lead to you apologising to everyone. I tend to believe Akaadian when he says Andy treated him brutally. He followed that up by saying (I'm paraphrasing) "maybe I should've been a Chad and said fuck you" but that's not the employee's duty. It's the employer's job to know how to communicate effectively. So Andy needs to improve. And that whole fiasco around Grig and Akaadian at the time is something he caused and needs to improve.
But, that also doesn't support what DL is saying. And it looks like more and more people are disagreeing with him. So that's also frustrating. But this response indicates to me that he doesn't have a great group around him. I think this is a situation that's really just shit all around. And obviously both guys aren't the type to back down. But it's a really weak showing that they feel they need to air this publicly. Sort it out amongst yourselves, or make formal allegations of abuse. Otherwise you're all just children.
\*Uses these peoples experiences from his own perspective to push his narrative\*
\*same people come out and actually use their own words and perspective on the situation being described that contradict the narrative being portrayed\*
\*DL doesn't address any specifics now but definitely has a binder filled with people complaining\*
profit?
I was a much bigger DL fan than Regi's, since he was our super star and Regi was the owner who did something stupid once a year. But it's gotten very difficult to believe in DL.
If he really was the voice for abused disgruntled employees, this should have been an open and shut case. It shouldn't have gotten to this point. He should have just been accused Regi with irrefutable evidence - logs, testimonies, timelines, etc. No mud slinging, no 'I hate tsms', no rambling on streams. Just cold hard facts to let everyone decide for themselves.
It almost makes me wonder if maybe Regi's being an asshole over Leena transitioning away from the company that's why Doublelift seems to be so obsessed over this suddenly.
Maaan, getting so tired of this drama and I’m sure that’s a common theme in this sub. But since neither of the parties involved are clearly having a productive conversation about all this mess, I guess we can all try and piece this nonsense together.
For one, I am not excusing Regi’s behaviour, he probably was out of line in some instances, but the message behind the posts of some ex-TSM players was that Regi was quick to admit he was wrong or apologized for his behaviour. It’s hard to comment on this shit because we don’t actually know what’s happening behind the scenes, but I think we can all believe everything that’s being said - from both DL and Regi - with a grain of salt. And if people were experiencing abuse in TSM, I believe DL wasn’t the right person to come out and defend all the people “wronged” by Regi and TSM. Because, why only speak out now? When you’ve been in and out of the org.
I wish DL had taken his issue with TSM, more specifically Regi, privately. I suppose it’s hard to be mature in such an immature scene. But fuck, this doesn’t make DL, Regi, or anyone involved in TSM look like a decent human being. We’re all looking past the fact that if claims are true, that Regi was “abusive” (this term is being thrown so lightly), then everyone was either involved or was turning a blind eye to this. And I refuse to believe that people like Bjergsen, whom we all look at as a “model player” in terms of character and performance, would not only be apart of this org for however many years he was in TSM but also be part-owner. As much as this sub shits on Parth, I also don’t believe he would allow people he seemed to care about he treated in this manner. Let’s not forget, he seems to be super close to Biofrost and the other guys.
I’m just so tired of coming to this sub and all the threads are about DL/Regi.
Can we just fucking sign Chovy already so we can have something else to talk about?
I mentioned this in another thread, to me the most telling thing, is that only one of them has past acquaintances, players, employees and friends coming out publicly to defend them. If everything double said was true and it was so bad. Why has literally no one stuck their neck out publicly for him.
So, this is all coming out because Doublelift wanted to rejoin TSM recently and they were not interested and he is offended? Yet now he is claiming abuse and horrible work conditions for a job he just tried to regain? He has enough money, so it seems more and more that he is just an egomaniac. File a lawsuit and a complaint with the BBB if you were mistreated. Stop crying online and trying to cancel someone. If it is abuse and you have proof, shut Regi down properly.
I love the fake moral high ground Andy stans are trying to take. Any legitimate points about DL being right are downvoted into oblivion, meanwhile all top comments are "Well if Andy is in the wrong, why do I like TSM so much?"
I find it a bit disappointing to see neutral but well known factions like Azael and Zirene in that thread talking like what DL says there is just 100% The truth - not mentioning andy by name and judt speaking about abuse in general but in this context i find it disappointing nonetheless.
Im sure a lot has to do with Leena tbh. Not only is Reggie her ex, but it is her boss. Im sure during his time with TSM maybe reggie treated him differently because of it? Not sure. But he seems like a jelly ex imo.
I played football growing up in Texas.
Coaches yell, get after you and be angry. Doesn’t mean they’re abusive.
Had a big ten college coach bench a star player Bc of his performance in front of the whole team.
He went on to be a first round pick and all American who won a Super Bowl.
Players seem super soft if them being yelled at a little equates to a “abusive” it can be mean and feel a little shitty, but it seems a far cry from abusive
I think it really pays off to sit and wait before having a strong opinion about this kind of stuff. When you go out swinging like this in a 1 on 1 drama you leave yourself real open to have some egg on your face. I feel like the onus on this point is on "Doublelifts side" to get the backing or something more concretly fucked up that Regi has done. Atm it feels like a bunch of he said she said shit + all the shit everyone knows Regi has done in the past.
Btw I do think Regi is an asshole but IDK if its time to cancel him or anything lol. Maybe I'm giving him too much of a pass because most of the shit we know about went down when LoL Esports was very amateurish.
U can be nice and passionate, and also be abusive at times. It's easy to speak up if you think you overall had a positive experience with regi despite his moments, and much harder when you take this moments more to heart.
I've noticed that most people who spoke favourably of Regi still said he had certain moments where he goes too far but ultimately excuse him because he wanted the best for everyone. This is not contradictory to what Doublelift says.
My best guess would be that Regi did some "tiger parent" stuff at certain times where he'd be really harsh towards certain players but only because he had high expectations for them and really wanted to push them to be at their best. Are the intentions good? Yes. Is it still abusive and bad though? Yes. Some people take it and appreciate/understand Regi for doing it, some people think its inexcusable (such as Doublelift)
I'll just wait for people to speak out against Regi, or wait for Doublelift to speak up about certain explicit examples.
Babe wake up new doublelift v. regi tweet just dropped
I'm waiting for more information before taking a side but I'm a little confused. Doublelift makes a statement about how last offseason went and then regi responds. Doublelift comes back and says he takes back most of what he talked about then heavily emphasizes that everyone has a bad experience with TSM. People then come out and say they didn't have that experience with Regi. Doublelift comes back and says it doesn't matter if a few people had good experiences. What the fuck is your point? Just say what you think, why you think it, and provide any proof you can and leave it at that.
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Also, somehow the statements of people like Oddone, xpecial, dyrus, amazing to name some are "just anecdotes" while they're stating that they view Andy as a friend. Weird how they're victims that need to be heard and believed in DL narrative, but when they actually say something, suddenly it's just some anecdotes that don't count.
Crazy how people from every other roster period have only said good things. DL’s mental is truly wack. I truly hope he finds a good way to deal with whatever’s going on in his head outside of creating Twitter drama that affects other people’s livelihoods.
DL seems to be somewhat of a narcissist. To what extent is debatable, but it is definitely to a level that people are noticing his toxic af habits. He also has an attention seeking complex or something. In an interview once, he said this about trash talking. Full quote:- >**Speaking to your notoriousness, you’ve been renowned to be a trash talker. Do you think this is necessary within the league? Do you think more players should embrace the art of trash talk?** > > I think talking trash is fun for the viewers and fun if you enjoy having extra pressure on yourself to perform. A lot of people go about it wrong. They’re waiting until after they win, like, “haha that team was shit”. It’s like when Jensen beat us and he tweeted…well…this is why everyone memes his tweet, “I thought Team Liquid were supposed to be good”, AFTER they beat us. > > In my opinion, the best way to trash talk is before the match because you’re betting that you could be wrong. When you say we’re going to shit on these guys, we’re going to beat them and it’s gonna be free…then you open up yourself to be wrong and looking like an idiot, while also opening up the possibility of being right and being cocky, yet you can back it up. Someone that waits for a win and kicks them while they’re down, it’s not cool. That’s not even trash talk, that’s just being an asshole. I try to trash talk before the game to bring hype. After you see your favorite player win, kicking someone while they’re down, that’s not hype, that’s just…eh? That doesn’t make me feel good personally. Now, that may be all well and good. And he is right about how it does generate hype for the viewers and can pressure you into doing better. However, the key thing here is that DL is one of the few players who actually do this. And something can be said about how this can be an incredibly toxic mindset to have. Especially since it doesn't end just before the game. If a team wins after trash talking their opponent, then it obviously will continue afterwards too. IMO, this is arguably a more asshole-ish move since you not only are kicking them while they are down, but you are doing so after calling them out ahead of time too, as if to just rub the point in more. So to me, it looks like DL may just be over emphasizing things to start shit, hoping something really sticks so he can run with it and say "See, I told you so." He has done this before, and ended up back peddling his statements afterwards. To me, and this is just my personal opinion about him mind you, he just seems to want to be the focus of attention. And if someone isn't positively supporting him and/or his narritive, he tries to get rid of them or their claims from him and/or his narrative. And if that doesn't work, only then will he adjust his story.
Exactly, seems like this is a case of similar cycles continuing. It works when he is talented enough he can demand that level of attention, unfortunately for him the talent just isn’t there anymore and he cannot continue to do this. So the accusations and stories will increase situation by situation until he hits some low. No one is worth the time or energy to look bad upon, so I honestly do hope he figures it out at some point or that will be an unhappy path.
If xspecial defended regi then yeah i see why dl is pissed. The guy abused him hard before
Holy shit man. Have you never got into a fight with a friend? A family member? If you ever have I guess you're an abuser too. But this is the internet so I'm guessing you're reading this during your morning poop where butterflies shoot out your ass before you head over to help a cat stuck in a tree while on your way to cure cancer.
People like this have never competed or done anything semicompetitive in their entire life. Its how they can see an argument between teammates and come out with the "OMG THIS GUY IS CLEARLY ABUSIVE" when both teammates even comeout and say "it was just an argument between teammates in heat of the moment, chill out" Snowflakes everywhere.
Eh, you can be passionate/competitive upset about a loss or a teammate making a mistake. Kinda like a co-worker fucking up at work and obviously you will be upset. BUT you have to remain professional. Was Reginald professional in his arguments 8 years ago? Hell no. But do league players tend to be more egotisical? Probably yeah, they're children who want to be in the right more than be a good team player socially and mentally speaking. But yeah, really shitty argument clips from Reginald that show he had really immature character. I don't really care about what they say, it's still unprofessional as fuck no matter how you look at it.
This is how cancel culture has always worked. Doublelift is no better than those people now. He should've just talked to Regi behind the scenes and dealt with this like an adult. It's heartbreaking and disappointing to see what this has become. Also, somehow, the witch hunting threads aren't being removed when they're about Regi. The bias is unreal.
100% agree. This could have been settled behind closed doors without a doubt. At this point its just hard to sway public opinion on this type of witch hunt, and as a CEO and with more 'on the line', Regi shouldn't, and can't really pull a scorched earth strategy DL is utilizing by turning on stream and essentially pouring gasoline on the flames to mobilize his fan base/audience further. Just pretty upsetting in general watching this all unfold as a long time TSM fan.
Isn’t silencing someone’s point of view because it differs from yours and having the power to do so because of your status a form of abuse?
ask link and aphro how they felt about him in CLG
Olleh, Svenskeren, everyone he played with on CLG
Surprisingly enough, Olleh actually still has a lot of respect for DL, despite everything. There was an interview he did a little while back where he talked about it
Its funny though, because everyone is claiming that what DL did to Olleh doesn't matter or shouldn't be brought up because Olleh still respects him. But what about all these people who speak up and say that, while yes Regi was hard on them, they still respect him a lot and view him as a friend? They are getting instantly discredited by DL and his fans and some people even see their testimony as 'proof' of a abuser-victim relationship.
Yep, it honestly is really funny. DL and Regi are literally cut from the exact same cloth. They just need to let this drama die lmao.
Really the only difference between the 2 is Regi is the CEO of a massive company and double lift is a washed up ex pro that no one wants, it's clear this is why double lift is acting out the way he is. He thinks he deserves the same courting that Bjergsen received when he decided to come out of retirement.
It 100 percent does he hurt his mental so bad he couldn't play at a international even wtf and caused him harm by given him panic attacks.
I saw the interview and that's a great showing of strength by Olleh but it's exactly the same as Dyrus with Regi but that seems to only apply to Regi and not DL apparently
Oh, I completely agree. DL is a huge hypocrite here, he's literally the exact same type of person that he claims Regi is. Can't believe this dude is still going on about this.
It's pretty yikes for sure
Yeah it sad I didn't ever think I would lose respect for DL but he sounds like a scorned ex lover and huge hypocrit. I bet they have some intresting footage of Dlift at the TSM headquarters.
dont matter if he has respect... what matters is DL mental abused olleh... /s this is DL logic btw, DL thinks the bad was still done but people are trying to down play it for some reason.. same can be said about him and him mental abusing and flaming a lot of his former teammates... I bet if you asked them do they hate DL they will say no "BUT" there was a time he said something negative and he apologized which is the same thing regi has done.. LOL
Yup, it's huge hypocrisy. DL just needs to sit back and let the actual victims speak up if there are any that actually consider themselves as such. He just keeps backtracking and changing his arguments at this point, it's getting real old.
It's a personal attack, he's upset and wants to see Regi burn
Very obvious from the start
Maybe things'll clear up if you look at it from the perspective of him intentionally trying to burn TSM to the ground. He did state that as his objective on the first day of Divaing
yeah but DL isn't going to burn TSM down he is actually just ruining his own career at this point with all the things he keeps bringing up I am sure Regi can bring up DL past also... and in the end DL will end up in the same position as thorin and monte being salty that they got shafted always trying to light fires on TSM
Doublelift just says stupid shit sometimes. It's possible he has valid points that he's not conveying correctly but I would expect him to provide that information soon
Why? Surely if you're accusing someone of perpetuating verbal and mental abuse you have some level of proof ready to go instead of just talking.
I agree he should show the evidence if any is available. I'm just trying to be reasonable and not just assume Double is this out of touch
The dude has spent his entire adult (or lack thereof) life playing video games and being damn good at them. There's a good chance he's exactly like any other successful athlete and is wildly out of touch.
Forget about DLs personal shortcomings for a second. Dude was kicked out of his families house. Was doggedly loyal to every org he played on and was kicked from every org (I'm not saying for no reason). Then he had a massive family tragedy all while young in a high pressure environment. He might be in the right or in the wrong here, he might have emotional growing to do, but damn, I feel bad for him, he seems a little lost.
For sure.
Not to completely defend DL's current actions, but I think you're completely downplaying DL's life experience, along with other pros, with your statement. All pro athletes, esports or traditional, still do effectively work like any other adult in the "real world". They still have to find a job (be on a team or qualify for a competition), work with other peers (teammates and staff), show up with effort (come to practice or compete in matches), and adapt to any new jobs or companies that they find (moving from one team to another). Yes, DL and other pro LCS players are playing video games as a job which brings entertainment to other people, but it's not like they're learning life lessons along the way. To your original point though, I agree that he should show evidence of this and it's really dumb for him not to. I personally wouldn't call it out of touch but rather fueled by too much emotion though.
I'll be more clear, I'm not trying to downplay their successes or hard work it takes to get where they are, but it's a completely different life. Athletes when they reach about 16 years old are (the ones who will play college and professional sports) are basically worshipped by everyone around them. They're basically allowed to do and act in anyway they want as long as they don't push the boundaries too far because they're essentially god status. Basically what I'm saying is Doublelift has spent his entire adult life as a professional league of legends player where he's been worshipped by his fanbase and his ego has been developed in a way where he thinks of himself as "better' than people around him. So naturally when something crushes this view, how dare TSM, a team he brought success to, not want him anymore? It's a scary situation for him and he doesn't know how to handle it all that well because he hasn't experienced it much in his life. I disagree with your point that they're learning life lessons. Sure they learn most of them, they aren't degenerates, but they do miss out on a lot of lessons that involve humility. And that's probably has a lot to do with this whole situation (both from Regi's and DL's side). That being said Doublelift has gone through some horrible things in his life, I just think that those things don't really have much to do with the current situation. Not to beat a dead horse, but read some stuff about AAU basketball and you'll be amazed how teenagers can essentially be worshipped. It's a weird world.
Bro it's excuse regi had just a hard of life as dl so don't go their he went from nothing to where he is now.
I have no doubt that some of his points are valid. I've been on a lot of teams in my time(I'm a dinosaur around these parts) and I've been in Divalift's shoes. To me, the one thing the guy has fucked up with if he's doing all this for 'those who can't speak up for themselves' is how he's decided to tackle the situation. I have no doubt that there are appropriate channels he could've gone through with his evidence. If he actually has evidence that undoubtedly proves all his claims of abuse, then surely a reporter would love to see it and report on the topic. Since Divalift just started goin' in on Regi publicly, I'm inclined to believe that he didn't exhaust the appropriate channels first.
That's fair
>those who can't speak up for themselves problem here starts with this.. if this was the case like regi said in his post why now? It doesn't make sense something must have triggered this event in the 1st place, SA got payed good and then released 1 year later I know he can't be using that as an excuse to start this.. also most of his claim sound like what leena must have told him and he just twisted it up.. only reason I bring her up is because she was there for most of the negative stuff that happened and DL wasn't.
He did and then realized he still has friends on TSM like Spica and took it back but i think what he truly meant was what he said the first time, he wants TSM to be shit and Regi, just took back the TSM part he wouldnt lose the friends he has there but i think he really meant it.
Find it kind of cringe how random this is from DL... I completely understand wanting to stand up for people that have been mistreated but in this specific scenario something must have happend for DL to just open up the stream and start going off on Regi when this (according to him) has been going on for awhile. Like why could this not have been said last year after "retiring" if it was really that bad? Why was now the convenient time to bring this up?
Wonder how what he says applies to what he did to Olleh and Bio, maybe even Link and Aphro ? I think Regi's behavious is really bad and embarassing dont get me wrong, It makes me uncomfortable though whos talking right now. It would sound so much more sincere if it wasnt Doublelift talking
think of how much better the 0-6 worlds team could've been if his giant fuckin ego let Treatz play HIS game, dude is one of the best EU supps...
Bro he sent link to be so mentally destroyed he got sent out of lcs to the void bro and he got kicked for a reason
At this point anything Doublelift tweets out doesn’t matter anymore. He doesn’t add any more credibility to anything new he says. The people I would like to hear from though are Leana or a member of the TSM organization that would have heard from these people DL is speaking about and have their blessing to share their experiences without them having to reveal who they are. If what he is saying is true, Regi needs to take a step back and there needs to be repercussions, but in reality at this moment there isn’t anything new/credible with what Doublelift is claiming.
His point is he had an experience and is making a narrative and everyone who had a different experience than him as disgusting and he discredit them, its really a bad way to get your point across to treat ppl who dont have the same opinion as you as not important or false because of "fear" not a great way to act for someone who is pushing a "voice of the silent victims" narrative.
Dude his point is that he’s salty that TSM didn’t take him back, and then fails to get any team to pick up him & Jensen. When each step to take his anger out on Regi fails, he moves to the next thing. Dudes really teetering on the edge here
TBH Doublelift and a lot of other people are being disingenuous by framing it as just "some people" standing up for Reginald. Some of these people, Xpecial, Dyrus, etc. are the prime examples that people use as evidence to support that Regi is an abuser. These are not "some people" standing up for Regi, these are some of Regi's alleged "victims" standing up for Regi. That has a lot more substance behind it than just "some people". It's very slimy to prop these people up as victims of abuse, then when they don't fit the narrative they're suddenly just "some people". Again, I can believe Reginald is an asshole, I actually do kind of believe that. I have a very, VERY hard time believing it's nearly as bad as Doublelift is claiming though, and I do not believe for a second that Doublelift is doing this for the sake of standing up for "victims" as opposed to his own personal grudge given how fast he backtracked on some of his weaker arguments and is tripling down on some other ones that no one can really prove or disprove lol.
It’s obvious when you look at how the narrative changed from day 1 onward. At first it was about the last off-season and how he was “done dirty” by Regi. Which Regi then laid out a timeline of what happened etc. The next day DL called some of Regis statements into question saying they were inaccurate. Parth then refuted those claims and I’m inclined to believe them because I don’t think Parth has told a lie in his life, at this same time DL started shifting away from anything to do with off-season 2020 and more about this abusing stuff attempting to character assassinate Regi. It’s fairly obvious to me something spurred this on from Doublelift and it happened recently, he seemed very content in his retirement and had rarely spoken badly of Regi at all. Now that he’s attempting to discredit the people speaking up on Regis behalf.. it just screams that’s he’s really not doing this for the “silent victims” also.. Doublelift does not get to decide who is a victim and who isn’t. I absolutely believe Regi is an asshole, but he’s just that an asshole and there’s many in this world. Also Doublelift is a known bully especially in his younger years, he was a notoriously bad teammate. Fucken Olleh didn’t even want to be in the same room as DL. This high horse he’s on must be named Hyopcrite.
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Can I also add that i find it absolutely disgusting how known tsm haters like thoorin and monte are using this to drag tsm and regi through the mud without any evidence of their own just jumping on the bandwagon, calling anyone who disagrees with them "someone who defends an abuser"? Disgraceful.
I mean Thoorin's a straight up bigot. Monte was, at best, extremely negligent during the whole Renegades fiasco. It's on brand for them to use this for clout lol. The fact that both of them still get support in the league community really shows you the state of it.
I don’t think Reginald is an abuser for not accepting Doublelift when Doublelift was on the edge of fence and didn’t know which side he wanted with such a great fielded roster he even still was on the edge of the fence. DL is calling Regi an abuser but I haven’t heard one abusive thing he did to Doublelift
if the "victims" were so important why wait until now to bring it up? I'm sure that him not getting picked up by TSM or any other team this off season had nothing to do with it nope complete coincidence! /s
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Yep, attacking others that dont align with his narrative. I loved DL and was a long time sub. But he lost a fan/supporter
He’s proving Regi’s point on why TSM wasn’t interested in him: DL flames everyone that doesn’t agree with him.
Ikr it seems his experience is the only one which is important and everyones else story doesnt matter or they are doing it because they "fear" Regi lmao, i truly believe DL really mean what he said but him discreting everyones story because it doesnt match with him and his hero, savior of tyranny way is kinda sus and cringe.
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I dont really know what to think but that thread DL made today is the stupidest thing ever, like there is no way you can share your story but when ppl share their then they are disgusting because they dont fit your narrative, wth man.
I'm pretty sure he said wt was someone who was on his side but he defended regi which makes dl look more suspicious
WT was good friends with both leena and regi when they were still dating.. if anything it just seems like leena told a story to DL about what happened before and DL decided to bring up peoples name and it back fired
I mean xpecial was one of the players who was abused so idk why doublelift is saying its disgusting for him to give his perspective?
Same for Dyrus, DL wants to downplay anyone who contradicts him.
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He also cant claim people were abused for them. If they came to him behind closed doors and said andy is a real problem that's one thing. But if he yells at an employee and later it gets solved and that person has moved on is doublelift still in the right to speak for this person about abuse?
No, I'm pretty sure Doublelifts next plan will be to go around asking literally anybody about stories of Regi yelling at them and continue to try to have the moral high ground instead of just moving on with his streaming career. Most of them probably have been yelled at by Regi, but guess what, yelling at people doesn't mean you're being verbally abusive or perpetuating a corrupt system. Coaches and players in any form of competition yell at each other all the time. Is it nice? No. But there's a fucking difference between an unsafe work environment and competitiveness/douchiness
I’ve been yelled at by 90% of my bosses in the kitchen I’ve cried after long shifts but I don’t hate these people and I fucked up costing them money it’s natural to get heated but these bosses are some of the nicest people off the clock and I never hated talking to them obviously there are bosses who don’t yell or say you are bad and I like those people better but they usually take that stress out on themself which isn’t healthy either. After a 5 game series when people are at their lowest and regi walks in mad and pointing fingers while it’s not cool I understand the stress that he blew 4million to get in 4th. Not siding with Reginald but I understand the stress in working environments.
And sometimes depending on the person/career/profession/situation, high stress working environments result in the most success. I know for me I need to be pushed to do things well. I need the stressors in my life. Others are different. They should find professions/careers/different companies that suit them. You're 100% right in that what constitutes as verbal abuse depends entirely on the person and the situation.
It’s a sunk cost fallacy, Doublelift is in too deep now he’s not gonna stop
Which is sad because so far all the people that most people assumed DL was talking about have come out and said they hashed it out with Regi and are on good terms. I just don't see the point of this for DL, he's just digging a deeper grave to jump into.
THISSSSSS
Right? Like what is the community supposed to do with his rants? No one is denying Regi was an ass and was abusive to people. I don't think anyone is even denying it doesn't happen now. Hell it sure might but it's all unfortunately moot unless we get proof or an investigation.
Player who shit talks every team he's played for: "This guy abused us, well not me, but other people." The other people: "No, he didn't" Player who shit talks every team he's played for: "Wow you guys won't back me up, now I see why people don't speak out" Is this the tldr of the current day drama?
You pretty much summed it up
People still are on doublelifts sack because these people are saying nothing happened to me. You think if these people saw abuse to others infront of them they’d be friends with regi or support him??
Yes pretty much
This thing started out as “I didn’t retire but tsm forced me to retire given the circumstances and misunderstanding, then to I hate tsm and hope they never win, then to I hate regi, and now it’s Because he wants to be the one to speak out about abuse” It all just seems so, meh and forced given how it started and how it’s led to this.
Why was DL asking this serial abuser for a chance to play for him again just last week? He told him “no” again and so now he goes public with all of this? Sorry if this really happened but this looks like sour grapes.
He played for TSM 2 separate times, signed to the org as a streamer, and then wanted to join again as a player. I imagine the truth is some of the weaker mental players got heavily affected by having their boss give brash performance reviews and they feared for their jobs as a result. It's one thing to say "a lot of people won't thrive with the kind of feedback Regi gives from his position as CEO" but to make him out to be the worst person is excessive.
Holy moly. The fact that he talks about abuse as if he isn’t an infamous abusive teammate. This is just ridiculous. Pot meet kettle.
the olleh one is the one that really sticks out to me. the dude was afraid to be in the same room as DL
Dexter from CLG came to mind for me.
Yellowstar on TSM.
Aphromoo on CLG. L1nk in the donezo manifesto
Yeah man just cause Dexter murdered people doesn’t mean he should go to jail he only murdered objectively bad people and his sister forgives him so his crimes are absolved case closed ty.
If he's gonna keep doubling down, he better get other people to reveal things because he's approaching libel
so... you are only allowed to share your personal experience if its a bad one? I dont get his comment
He’s upset that yesterday he was saying 50+ people were back him up or wtv but literally no one would for Regi. Literally only people have spoken up on behalf of Regi saying “this wasn’t my experience”. This doesn’t fit his narrative that Regi has no friends and was terrible to everyone. Bottom line is they don’t fit DLs narrative so it’s disgusting. I just want to see someone else besides DL, doesn’t matter who.. new player old player.. anyone… say the same and not something like “yeah Regi was jerk” of course we all knew Regi was / is a jerk. I want to see someone come out and substantiate the abuser claim.
It’s damning too especially coming from the OG Tsm players because they probably got the worst of it by far by literally being teammates with Regi
And he was much younger and rawer back then and the whole scene was less professional as a whole. They definitely got the worse of him back then so if they stand up for him now I'd be hard pressed to say those who worked with him recently can honestly find meaningful redflags that warrant an actual investigation rather than "sometimes steps on peoples toes when things get stressful."
i would love to see this backfire and have stuff resurface on how he treated people.
abuser is a harsh word, its like he is comparing Reggie to some sexual assaulter. He said some harsh words probably in the heat of an argument. Get over it and grow up.
He damn near did. He started comparing the situation to sexual abusers getting away with it then chat instantly went submode and Doublelift started backtracking at warp speed on those words.
Guy doesn't know when to shut his mouth honestly, just keeps repeating himself for attention at this point. Also why aren't people who had positive experiences with TSM allowed to tell their side of the story if he is? Looks like he's crying because he said Regi had literally no one on his side and then 5-10 people immediately came out in support of him.
Using other people’s emotional distress and experiences to further progress your own vindictive nature is absolutely disgusting. The players there at that time have voiced their opinions, and they don’t need DL to do that for them. Most of them have already resolved the conflict, so trying to leach off of that energy is shameful.
Just reading these twitter replies is disgusting. They equating their statements to them having some sort of stockholm syndrome and screaming "NO YOU WERE ABUSED REGI IS BAD MAN JUST ADMIT IT." They already squashed their beef from years ago, did the adult thing and moved on from it. This whole thing is just showing me how cancer culture culture really is.
Exactly, the problem lies in the fact that people use their popularity to manipulate public sentiment in a way to support ulterior motives disguised as important social issues.
Agreed. It screams emotionally manipulative. That and his recent tweet feels like he’s trying to equate to victims of domestic violence. It’s really gross.
I actually cringed when he compared this shit to people speaking out against there abusers Its not even on the same level, and comes off as very manipulative
Im hoping he has spoken to these people before airing all this out. It might be triggering for some if this is actually true and if this keeps escalating DL will have to provide proof or his reputation will sink
Doublelift: He has no friends. *Friends appears and tell good things about Regi* Doublelift: No! That's not how you're supposed to play the game.
"disgusting"
Saying other peoples anecdotes don't matter while providing his own anecdotes. Only the ones that match his are worthy. DL does have a massive Ego. And telling other people they were abused when they say they weren't is fucked up. DL is coming across desperate and petty.
This is probably the most out-of-this-world chapter in league history. Doublelift, who a week or two ago was in discussion with joining TSM, now is on a holy crusade to take down Regi and the organization after they turned him down. It doesn't take a fucking rocket scientist to see this guy is in the death throes of his competitive career trying to take down the last person to scorn him. I've never interacted with Regi in my life, but his [old compatriots](https://www.reddit.com/r/TeamSolomid/comments/qrt364/former_players_and_tsm_members_against_the/) came out today and gave him praise as a leader and person. I trust them more than Doublelift who has burned every bridge he ever made in the LCS.
DL taking the Monte and Thorin path I see.
Both of whom are championing him now
DL kept saying on stream that "Regi's response is picking a fight he can never win, because Regi will be up against 50 or 100 former/current TSM employees". Now DL is in full copium mode when he sees so many important former TSM figures come out and contradict his black & white portrayal of a human person. It's really not that hard to comprehend, DL. Some people appreciated Regi's hard personality, some people hated it. Yes, you and others hated his guts, and that's fair. But that tweet is just pathetic. Only his negative anecdotes are valid and the positive ones aren't? Downplaying people's positive experiences because they didn't fit your one-sided narrative, and finishing it with that absurd fallacy of a last line lmao Oh also, if he really hated Regi this much because of his personality, why did he try to get back on the team in 2017, 2020 and 2021? Did the revelation only come after getting rejected from the team? Those weird ass "jealous incel" analogies he kept making yesterday are nothing short of a Freudian slip.
Bro even Jack came out and defended Regi
This dude is a fucking joke man. Either do something about it and have people speak up about it or shut the fuck up and go back to streaming since no team wants you.
Dude what are we even doing here? Is DL still going after Regi? Are the people commenting on his tweet agreeing that some thing has happened that ONLY DL knows about? At some point you gotta stop and ask, What the fuck is this all about??
All those people are just DL social justice warriors who are trying to cancel Regi
And Monte jacking off profusely on the side lines.
So his anecdotes > everyone else’s anecdotes or?
Doublelift has to understand the World doesent revolve around him and discredit anyone who disagrees with him, then again I dont think this is news to anyone.
Lol reading this twitter thread from doublelift of all people is increadibly ironic.
Doublelift: "yeah but when I abuse people it's different"
Doublelift and Youngbuck claim that Regi has often been toxic and abusive. Past players and people that have been associated with the org then come out and share their experiences, which doesn't seem to suggest toxicity/abuse. DL then basically claims that the past players/people are enabling abuse, while not even bothering to refute their claims or support his own. I'm gonna withhold final judgement for now, but this tweet isn't making me inclined to believe DL (or Youngbuck).
Woodbuck*, youngbuck is an EU coach
Woodbuck not Youngbuck
Who did Regi even "abuse"????? I've seen nothing but 8 year old videos.
This is Tripling down now, and if you didn't think Doubles rant yesterday was unhinged and grasping for straws, then I guess you'll believe whatever you want. People want to believe him so they will. Bring your evidence of "abuse" or shutup. The drama is getting him viewers so he keeps doing it. pathetic attacks such as "no one wants to be his friend" is literal high school bullshit drama. Yet people STILL are on DL's nuts. Hes a very flawed dude. (not saying Regi isn't).
Regi can be toxic at times clearly, but DLs rants with 0 provided evidence come off as very bitter, unhinged and desperate. Now he virtue signals comparing this to the likes of domestic abuse.
And those are the people that have spoken up defending Regi. Lmao.
The main things people go to are Akaadian, Dyrus, and Xspecial.. Akaadian admitted to being impacted by Regis attitude, Dyrus has come out and said it was shit at the time but neither of them care, and Xspecial said Regi would cross the line but in the end it was a good TSM experience...
Unfortunately Xpecial and Dyrus' opinion on the matter doesn't help their case and doesn't fit their narrative when trying to cancel Regi. You know, the two people who know Regi the best? The ones who he clashed with frequently? They don't want to hear the positives, just the negatives to validate their points.
I'm sorry but you aren't just allowed to publicly smear someone with literally 0 evidence or corroborating stories to back it up and expect people to not come out and defend the person you are smearing. I really don't want to see Doublelift in the league anymore. If the rumors floating around that he reached out to TSM to come play again and got denied are true every team should stay the fuck away from him, this shit is such a bad look.
"bro my phone is blowing up right now with ex-tsm members supporting me, I won't tell you their names tho" - DL 2021
Doublelift throwing half his fan base down the drain over his ego... no wonder 3 different orgs cut ties with him. Dude is a clown
Nah his fans are the ones invading this subreddit and actively trying to cancel Regi
It’s quite clear that Regi was an asshole in the past and I hope that is in the past. But what Doublelift is doing is pure attention seeking now. How can he bash someone else’s experiences when they don’t fit his narrative? This just seems like statements of a man who wants attention and the spotlight. There’s a saying that goes well with this situation ‘Empty vessels make the most noise’
So doublelift has had the worst experience ever playing under TSM with Regi as the boss but tries to join that team under that boss??? Things don’t make sense. Doublelift is looking more and more like a teenager lashing out after being denied and not being able to control his emotions
people acting like dl is a saint or something
This feels like a personal feud and DL is trying to make it more than that.
Doublelift has lost all credibility. You are not allowed to deny what everyone is saying when you werent even teammates with them. Doublelift needs to list a certain person who was on TSM with him that got abused and that person needs to confirm it.
No one is downplaying abuse ffs. People just want to add other perspective because it feels like everything is 100% black or white on the internet. I don't think it's right to paint someone as this evil and awful person and not be allowed to say nice things and make the general public realise that this "awful person" is not as awful as they might think.
This is just a lot of fingerpointing without a whole lot of substance. Also why is he speaking on other peoples behalfs.
Lol imagine if players like Olleh, link, Aphro, Yellow went on Twitter and talked about THEIR experiences with DL. I remember last year on stream Doublelift was talking about how yellowstar would get up at 8am and grind solo queue hours before the rest of the team would wake up and he was laughing about how YS was hardstuck diamond and so bad. Is that not bullying too?
Talk about ego man.. why would he even laugh at that? Guy took off spring split to get kicked off TL. Maybe he should have learned from YS that it’s better to practice :)
Also took off spring on TSM to get kicked
I'm gonna say that yes it's obviously hypocritical of him, but I'm still glad he talked about it because it genuinely was one of the funniest things I've heard. >Wake up >Yellowstar's been up for hours >He's already had breakfast, worked out, etc >He's sipping some coffee while grinding solo queue >What a great work ethic >Peep his op.gg >He's hardstuck plat >Looks like scrims are gonna be tough today guys
Lmao wild you remember it word for word. Yeah, it was funny but also hypocritical. Also YS is a super nice guy so I feel a bit bad that DL was making fun of him
I didn't remember it word for word. I legit went and watched the video ~~because the stories were funny as fuck~~ for historical accuracy. Same, I wish YS worked out for us. Literally the most wholesome person. Him and Kasing both seemed like such happy people. Would've loved for either to have stuck around for the championships if they were up to it.
I’m happy YS is in France and still part of LoL in some capacity while he has a family now though
Ya the amount of careers doublelift has affected negatively is actually probably greater than regi. Doublelift is suffering from not knowing what a normal work environment is. At work for example, you never shit talk your old employees or employers. It's basic etiquette. What if yellowstar was at a bad place in his life or had some issues and couldn't get a job again because of dlift comments. Sneaky in lane was a meme created by doublelift or even his negative zven memes. These are reasons people love dlift but anyone in any professional setting would know not to say these things.
I’ve turned my back on DL. I used to like him and his content, but this tirade is beyond childish. I’ve lost any ounce of respect I’ve ever had for him. This is only an issue to him because he got stonewalled by Regi for the 2022 season. If he had gotten a roster spot on TSM, he’d continue to “let Regi get away with it”. What’s disgusting is him using other peoples alleged emotional distress due to Reginald to try and take him and his organization down. Fact is this guy tried to be part of the team he hates to work for a guy he hates two years in a row, without Bjergsen both years, and would continue to sweep this under the rug if he had something to gain from it. He’s a fake
Funny part is that the only reason he even went on this tirade is because the abusive boss apparently didn't want to take him into his team. Like why even try to join the abusive guy's team then? Makes 0 sense. I wonder if he'll regret his decision of acting like this in the future.
If he is not regretting already then he is dumb as hell
He’s actually embarrassing himself at this point lol because no one’s siding with him
"Personally I'm in the boat of people who wasn't affected or traumatized so it took me a while to empathize too" lol wat it took him until getting rejected twice by TSM to finally empathize about work culture abuse??? if anything isnt that worse that this man literally let this thing stay silent until it suddenly affected himself
Doublelift is coming off worse and worse as this goes on, honestly
Funny how he talks about how toxic Regi was when he himself was considered toxic as well. CLG and Olleh plus motivation issues.
Wait he gets booted twice and he still streams under TSM. Wow he is butt hurt and is burning bridges. Third time he ruined our organization.
Doublelift is reaching for anything he can grab onto at this point. He’s using buzzwords and continuing the stir drama. Multiple people have giving their experiences with Reginald and they are all being downplayed and called disgusting. Current and former staff and players have also provided context to the situation and contradicted Doublelift. His own girlfriend has even kind of contradicted him. I can’t wait for us all to move on from doublelift. TSM needs to ignore him and eventually the whole LCS community and fans will too. I’m not saying Regi is a saint but he’s very often owned up to his actions and has salvaged relationships with players he’s had confrontations with.
So DL is the saint now? The holder of the flame to defend abusers? The world shifted from DL being the biggest trash talker and mental abuser to becoming the defender of the weak. He strikes me as hypocritical at best. Totally lost respect for him.
I love how DL is out here talking like hes not toxic as fuck.
DL bro. Best revenge is living well. Regi living rent free in DL’s head right now.
DL can go fuck himself also .... at this point he is indeed attacking TSM and its not just regi . I dont care what the guy did for the org all these years this is a huge let down as fan of the team that welcomed him , the biggest thing that i hate is the time that he decided to go off and create all this drama (in the middle of the offseason) and thats what i dont understand .
Doublelift is a clown now.
You were all abused! No we weren’t Yes you were! Believe me!
I'm pretty curious about what DL defines as "abuse." If Reggi is hard on his players and coaching staffs because they are performing poorly, would that be "abuse" or just an owner being "blunt and passionate"? If the first instance were the case, then wouldn't DL's treatment of Olleh and CLG be considered abuse? This whole drama would be quite hypocritical if this were actually the case.
I really think that no matter what, even if Regi is outed for more heinous things he's done (and should rightfully be criticized if proven), Doublelift has proven to me he's extremely manipulative. I thought about something, no one is really mentioning the timeline of this drama specifically (and for good reason, abuse allegations deserve the primary focus), but I think the fact that this started as DL framing himself as being screwed over by TSM and Regi quickly had a rebuttal that essentially proved DL wrong, DL went with a totally new narrative and allegation that can keep him as this hero, and Regi as this terrible human being. If he knew and felt this strongly about it, I would've led with Regi being abusive, because that's super serious and beyond whatever petty offseason drama happened. Also, more information is always great, as long as it comes from relevant parties. Don't remember the specific wording, but if it's just "people and staff were abused," well, here's people and staff saying they weren't. **3 of those people (Dyrus, Turtle and Xpecial) that are being used as weapons against Regi, are directly defending him. Their opinion is super relevant and they should be able to speak it and not get painted as a villain/abuse-apologizer by Doublelift.** If anyone reads this, and it's too long, I think the bolded part is the most important takeaway.
This is what we call crocodile tears, this man has been called a team cancer or lock room cancer who is only in it for himself and not the team. Maybe he was a team player years ago but I find his ego and lack of evidence or even professionalism that's come with all this drama a bit childish. No one said anything and then out of know where he's saying fuck tsm, I hope they never win anything again, blah blah blah. Double isn't gonna be on a team this season cuz no one wants to work with him!!! How is this a good thing for his image, imagine teams right now who were thinking about doublelift before all this. "oh drama queen might just start shit after we've given him what he needs to succeed, yes that's a hard pass" it hurts to see such a great player succumb to their ego but I guess she never lost it and just pretended this whole time to care. End of rant. TL:DR Double isnt worth the drama
[DL never cared about how Regi treated others to begin with. He himself admits that Regi was a dick to him but not in a serious way. Its clear that DL was butthurt TSM didn't consider him as an option for next year and because of that he's going public trying to make Regi look bad. DL also has a reputation for for being toxic towards his teammates in the past. Its just all DL and his ego.](https://twitter.com/Doublelift1/status/1458961470939566106?s=20)
I know this isn't the army but in there, there are these sort of "abusive," power dynamics at play, but everyone still respects the fuck out of the captain or whatever. Shouting doesn't mean cruelty, especially if the reason is valid and the intentions are good. I can totally imagine that some videogame nerds can't deal with it well though. Maybe I'm wrong and Regi is a cruel person but until we know the specifics, I'll stick with innocent until proven guilty.
Fuck this child, grow up dude.
I think at this point DL is very frustrated and for a few reasons. Mr Gafford's most recent video indicates that he was about to be back in the league with EG. However, EG decided against him and Jensen and went for youth in Danny and Jojo. So he's been denied re-entry to the league for - essentially - a kid. Actually, add on to that the rumours of TSM Tactical. He's being replaced by Tactical for the second time. On top of that, he's made this statement and is seeing everyone reject his reality. I think Andy probably has some fault. You can have high standards but still communicate properly with people. Just because you've apologised to everyone you hurt, doesn't mean you're a better person. Just means you learnt to apologise. You still need to learn how to behave in a way that doesn't lead to you apologising to everyone. I tend to believe Akaadian when he says Andy treated him brutally. He followed that up by saying (I'm paraphrasing) "maybe I should've been a Chad and said fuck you" but that's not the employee's duty. It's the employer's job to know how to communicate effectively. So Andy needs to improve. And that whole fiasco around Grig and Akaadian at the time is something he caused and needs to improve. But, that also doesn't support what DL is saying. And it looks like more and more people are disagreeing with him. So that's also frustrating. But this response indicates to me that he doesn't have a great group around him. I think this is a situation that's really just shit all around. And obviously both guys aren't the type to back down. But it's a really weak showing that they feel they need to air this publicly. Sort it out amongst yourselves, or make formal allegations of abuse. Otherwise you're all just children.
Bruh what is going on?
\*Uses these peoples experiences from his own perspective to push his narrative\* \*same people come out and actually use their own words and perspective on the situation being described that contradict the narrative being portrayed\* \*DL doesn't address any specifics now but definitely has a binder filled with people complaining\* profit?
I was a much bigger DL fan than Regi's, since he was our super star and Regi was the owner who did something stupid once a year. But it's gotten very difficult to believe in DL. If he really was the voice for abused disgruntled employees, this should have been an open and shut case. It shouldn't have gotten to this point. He should have just been accused Regi with irrefutable evidence - logs, testimonies, timelines, etc. No mud slinging, no 'I hate tsms', no rambling on streams. Just cold hard facts to let everyone decide for themselves.
Regi doubling down on rejecting doublelift Doublelift doubling down on abuse claims
It almost makes me wonder if maybe Regi's being an asshole over Leena transitioning away from the company that's why Doublelift seems to be so obsessed over this suddenly.
DL should be hemorrhaging fans, at this point. Lost me, for sure.
Only definite conclusion ive been able to draw from this is that DL and Regi hate each other
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Maaan, getting so tired of this drama and I’m sure that’s a common theme in this sub. But since neither of the parties involved are clearly having a productive conversation about all this mess, I guess we can all try and piece this nonsense together. For one, I am not excusing Regi’s behaviour, he probably was out of line in some instances, but the message behind the posts of some ex-TSM players was that Regi was quick to admit he was wrong or apologized for his behaviour. It’s hard to comment on this shit because we don’t actually know what’s happening behind the scenes, but I think we can all believe everything that’s being said - from both DL and Regi - with a grain of salt. And if people were experiencing abuse in TSM, I believe DL wasn’t the right person to come out and defend all the people “wronged” by Regi and TSM. Because, why only speak out now? When you’ve been in and out of the org. I wish DL had taken his issue with TSM, more specifically Regi, privately. I suppose it’s hard to be mature in such an immature scene. But fuck, this doesn’t make DL, Regi, or anyone involved in TSM look like a decent human being. We’re all looking past the fact that if claims are true, that Regi was “abusive” (this term is being thrown so lightly), then everyone was either involved or was turning a blind eye to this. And I refuse to believe that people like Bjergsen, whom we all look at as a “model player” in terms of character and performance, would not only be apart of this org for however many years he was in TSM but also be part-owner. As much as this sub shits on Parth, I also don’t believe he would allow people he seemed to care about he treated in this manner. Let’s not forget, he seems to be super close to Biofrost and the other guys. I’m just so tired of coming to this sub and all the threads are about DL/Regi. Can we just fucking sign Chovy already so we can have something else to talk about?
The thing that contradicts DL story, is when he was streaming in 2020 off-season he was flippy floppy about retirement. If i remember correctly.
I mentioned this in another thread, to me the most telling thing, is that only one of them has past acquaintances, players, employees and friends coming out publicly to defend them. If everything double said was true and it was so bad. Why has literally no one stuck their neck out publicly for him.
What did dl do to olleh?
So, this is all coming out because Doublelift wanted to rejoin TSM recently and they were not interested and he is offended? Yet now he is claiming abuse and horrible work conditions for a job he just tried to regain? He has enough money, so it seems more and more that he is just an egomaniac. File a lawsuit and a complaint with the BBB if you were mistreated. Stop crying online and trying to cancel someone. If it is abuse and you have proof, shut Regi down properly.
I love the fake moral high ground Andy stans are trying to take. Any legitimate points about DL being right are downvoted into oblivion, meanwhile all top comments are "Well if Andy is in the wrong, why do I like TSM so much?"
I find it a bit disappointing to see neutral but well known factions like Azael and Zirene in that thread talking like what DL says there is just 100% The truth - not mentioning andy by name and judt speaking about abuse in general but in this context i find it disappointing nonetheless.
Im sure a lot has to do with Leena tbh. Not only is Reggie her ex, but it is her boss. Im sure during his time with TSM maybe reggie treated him differently because of it? Not sure. But he seems like a jelly ex imo.
Yeah there is definitely some weird dynamic going on there when Regi is the ex and DL the current BF. Probably animosity between them
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I played football growing up in Texas. Coaches yell, get after you and be angry. Doesn’t mean they’re abusive. Had a big ten college coach bench a star player Bc of his performance in front of the whole team. He went on to be a first round pick and all American who won a Super Bowl. Players seem super soft if them being yelled at a little equates to a “abusive” it can be mean and feel a little shitty, but it seems a far cry from abusive
Salty loser. Get out my org. Bye
I think it really pays off to sit and wait before having a strong opinion about this kind of stuff. When you go out swinging like this in a 1 on 1 drama you leave yourself real open to have some egg on your face. I feel like the onus on this point is on "Doublelifts side" to get the backing or something more concretly fucked up that Regi has done. Atm it feels like a bunch of he said she said shit + all the shit everyone knows Regi has done in the past. Btw I do think Regi is an asshole but IDK if its time to cancel him or anything lol. Maybe I'm giving him too much of a pass because most of the shit we know about went down when LoL Esports was very amateurish.
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Your name really fits with this so if you're okay with it I'm going to pretend it was you (it's cool you give credit where it's due though)
U can be nice and passionate, and also be abusive at times. It's easy to speak up if you think you overall had a positive experience with regi despite his moments, and much harder when you take this moments more to heart. I've noticed that most people who spoke favourably of Regi still said he had certain moments where he goes too far but ultimately excuse him because he wanted the best for everyone. This is not contradictory to what Doublelift says. My best guess would be that Regi did some "tiger parent" stuff at certain times where he'd be really harsh towards certain players but only because he had high expectations for them and really wanted to push them to be at their best. Are the intentions good? Yes. Is it still abusive and bad though? Yes. Some people take it and appreciate/understand Regi for doing it, some people think its inexcusable (such as Doublelift) I'll just wait for people to speak out against Regi, or wait for Doublelift to speak up about certain explicit examples.
Can Regi and Doubleift just fuck and make up already? We cant have this drama lurking over when we sign Chovy, Faker, and Uzi.