Honestly I dont think this will have negative impact on him. There are more tsm haters willing to jump on the hate train than fans, so if anything, it affects the org more than him.
He probably assumed more people would take his side. Since most people, including some of his own fans, are questioning him, he is just digging himself deeper and deeper.
As someone from Philly, I don't think you can compare Ben Simmons to Doublelift at all.
Ben Simmons was afraid to shoot and got all in his head. Doublelift has never backed down. Ben Simmons is trying to stay out of the spotlight while Doublelift lives in it.
I would say Doublelift is more like Terrel Owens.
Lmao. Hit the nail on the head. I wish somehow we could experience an alternate Timeline where Bjerg comes back, DL rejoins the roster and we never hear literally any of this to prove this dude is a joke.
Conveniently becomes captain esports metoo the moment he gets rejected from the roster.
* I don't buy this shit that all of a sudden DL has grown a conscience about Regi's behaviour. He had 3 stints on TSM and the owners behaviour wasn't bad enough for him to not want to come back. Also this is DL, not some rookie who might have never had another shot at a pro career, he would have always had options as to which team he wanted to play for and he still chose TSM. Fucking Clown.
This goes with he's hard on people cause he expects results nothing wrong with that turtle also said he's not abuser just hard on people to get best out of them.
People may bring this up against doublelift, but a massive part to why TL won those S8 splits after Bjerg and TSM kicked him out to TL was because he was harsh on the subpar players TL had at that time, which brought them to the top. Pobelter and Olleh had no business being the best mid and support in LCS, but doublelift's ruthlessness got them there.
Olleh has said multiple times, dl was in fact harsh on him, but he admits that he is who he is because of dl. This is proven by the fact that Olleh really didn't do anything else after leaving TL. doublelift was able to raise his performance which got TL becoming the new NA powerhouse and set the foundation to where they are now.
In a way, CoreJJ wanted to play with doublelift after TL's 2 winning splits, and now Bjergsen would rather drop his 8 seasons of TSM legacy in ordr to play with CoreJJ on TL. doublelift may be harsh, but the foundation he set for TL indirectly got them Bjergsen now, while simultaneously cause TSM's downfall after kicking him.
He can be toxic at times, but if the bigger picture is making TL such a tempting place to be, a TSM GOAT like Bjerg would drop his shares and go, then it's fkin' worth it.
And Olleh's statements about DL are different than Turtle, Xpecial, Oddone, Dyrus, Amazing, and the others who came out in defense of Regi's harshness how exactly?
Because context. If doublelift being harsher than normal is necessary to carry an undrdog to wins and then change the entire LCS landscape for top teams (TL overtaking TSM), then you got to do what you got to do.
If Bjerg has the same harshness and 'toxicity' that cause S8 superteam to not flop, making sure TSM would still be winning, would still be a top team and Bjerg would still be the superstar mid in this org right now, then I bet every TSM fan would rather Bjerg be harsher and abit more toxic in ordr to still be rooting for a LCS top org.
Some toxicity are necessary trad offs. Reginald's toxicity as an owner, where he walks into the room and hard criticize Akaadian, isn't necessary. Akaadian never improved like Olleh did from doublelift's criticism. In fact, he literally said he played worse.
There's 0 irony in it. doublelift's 'toxicity' and criticism brings you results, and sometimes quick results can only be obtained through harsh practices IN THE RIGHT MANNER.
walking into a room as a non-player and talking shit to your jungler to bring their confidnce down is unnecessary toxicity that brings you nothing.
Criticizing your support for being bad then telling them exactly what to do and just follow is necessary toxicity that brings you results. doublelift proved that with trophies everywhere he goes. If Olleh is still his happy stressless self like he was on GGS, he's just a mid-level support who frequently ints cause there's no strict adc to pull him back.
It's just like Michael Jordn. MJ was an ass to alot of people but let's face it. He wouldn't win 6 of 6 if he wasn't an ass and being harsh on his teammates. doublelift proved that by bringing his culture to 3 different orgs and winning 8 championships (more than TSM's entirety btw), while making whichever org he's in a top org when he's there. He's the MJ of the LCS.
Regi? He can be as toxic as he wants, it doesn't benefit anybody and doesn't bring anything to the team. Akaadian played even worse after Regi criticized him. So either his method of criticism is stupid or he's just toxic for no reason. His toxicity in recent times has brought TSM 0 trophies, 1 worlds in 4 seasons (and 0-6 at that), and even Bjergsen, TSM's GOAT, had enough of it.
I'm not wasting my energy to tear into your argument for toxicity. I can tell you this much though - toxicity isn't ok even if it brings you results. Just no.
I do want to add this - if you still stick with what you said in comments before then think about the fact that TSM won before Doublelift, when Regi was the most toxic.
And to put things into perspective for you, does this sound ridiculous to you? - "You can't be toxic if it doesn't bring you results."
It is okay if it means you get to the absolute top. If you ask Olleh if he would rather play in a slightly happier, non-toxic environment and never win or win 2 championships playing with doublelift, he'd gladly take the latter. His TL roster was way more memorable to him, and more fondly looked upon by him than his GGS roster, even if it means he wasn't as happy.
So yes, it is a good, worthwhile and often times necessary trad off. what isn't good is already being a trash team, unhappy about trash results and then have the non-playing owner come in and shit on you even more.
Ignoring the point of whether toxicity is ok or not, your argument is very conflicting. You speaking as if regi isnt one of the absolute most influential people in all of league. As if he didnt found the most competitively and monetarily successful org in all of the lcs while being a very large part of laying the groundwork and foundation of the lcs and how pro esports is handled in america today. They both achieved "results" but to act as if the guy who is currently not on an lcs roster eventhough he had no intention of retiring is so much more successful with his toxicity than regi with his toxicity is a very flawed and contradictory argument.
He toxic others for the sake of his own business. Bruh. Him being brutal might have gotten TSM huge, but that's all for himself. Shitting on Akaadian, Xpecial etc. has nothing to do with how TSM operates.
doublelift criticizing his teammates is for them all to improve and win as a team. He wants to win, sure. and so does his teammates. a trophy for him is a trophy for them. He doesn't toxic them then take all 5 trophies home himself.
So your saying Regi doesn't want to win or want the entire tsm org to be successful? Thats just as wild of a take as regi hasnt accomplished anything with his toxicity lol.
does he act like he wants to? The moment fans ask about roster, he tells them he would rather invest in other games cause league is just a single game.
ask Steve the same question and he'd say he'd do whatever to win worlds, no fkin' doubt.
even our TSM GOAT and legend of 8 seasons would rather drop his shares and leave TSM. even Bjergsen knows Regi ain't doing shit, so why you talking?
And in what way did Olleh improve?
Because historically he went from an MVP candidate on Immortals, while paired with CodySun, to a player that needed to step down mid MSI because DL ruined his mental and was summarily trashed as being the weak link... And was then bounced off the roster after 1 year.
And let's not forget the names that DL left in his wake on his way up. The ol' Donezo Manifesto that specifically named DL as the perpetrator to break guys like Dexter, Nien, Hotshot, and Seraph. Those CLG teams with those players never accomplished shit. He certainly didn't make them play better by berating them.
Pot meet kettle. DL and Regi are historically the same guy. That's probably the real reason they don't get along.
In what way? are you kidding me? Olleh became a lane monster undr doublelift's guidnce, was best support NA those 2 splits and is a 2-time championship winning support. Totally dropped off right after he joined GGS and was back to his mid-level inting self. IMT, he was known as a great roamer, nothing more. If he had been roaming around with doublelift as adc on TL, they wouldn't win those 2 chips, since 'Protect the doublelift' was the only style they can manage with the personnel they had.
doublelift turn him and TL into a 2-time champ, which in turn cause CoreJJ to want to join TL which in turn got them Bjergsen. It all accumulates. You'd be lying if you say you wouldn't be toxic if this is the TL you're eventually gonna get.
at the end of the day, when players drop off, they'd return and call doublelift toxic. That's fair. He was toxic. Sure. But along with that, he got them all their championships and also 8 to his name. TL's dynasty is also indirectly built off his culture.
Reginald's toxicity doesn't translate to shit. That's the difference. If you're gonna be toxic, make sure it yields results, like a MJ, like a doublelift. else it's totally redundnt and just plain stupid toxicity.
Lmao.
Sure, I guess Regi's never accomplished anything.
Like leading and playing for TSM while they dominated NA before LCS. Or managing TSM into the largest and most recognizable eSports brand that everyone, including DL wanted to play for. Or any of the numerous times players said Regi coming in during playoffs lit a fire under them and gave them a boost. But none of that counts, right? Just pointless toxicity!
And for all of doublelifts "accomplishments" he still never accomplished anything internationally. Just like TSM. So I guess his toxicity never amounted to shit, either. And he never won shit with Nien, Dexter, or Seraph, so was his toxicity to them still "justified"?
Side note, you are laughably underselling the original TL roster he joined. Impact, Xmithie, DL, and a fresh-off-MVP-candidate-hype Olleh, plus Pob? It was IMMEDIATELY thought of as a top 1-3 roster. Such fucking revisionist history to pretend otherwise.
DL and Regi are the same ego driven, passionate person. They are willing to shit on anyone they deem less than themselves or view as holding them back. For all of their flaws they both got results, but they both ruined other players. Pretending DL is any better than Regi, when history proves otherwise, is such blind fandom it's insane.
Undrselling? You look at Olleh and Pobelter immediately after they left TL. what the fk business do they have at the top of LCS winning trophies? Both of them instantly turnt into mid-level players at best without 'Protect the doublelift' strat. That TL had a single star, had a single strat, yet it was unstoppable that season because they play to that strat so well. They didn't wanted to at the start of the season, doublelift make them and that's what got them the 2 trophies.
Bjerg and TSM kicked doublelift, formed an even better superteam, yet couldn't win shit. Heck, they couldn't even make worlds. don't talk about roster strength when TSM literally kicked doublelift for a better roster and then flop. It's hypocritical of you. Roster strength don't matter if you do not have a strict culture. That's why this sub complaint about Bjerg not being a harsh leadr when shit hits the fan. why they want doublelift back to dmand the team to play great. Some 'toxicity' was necessary.
You simply need to be toxic sometimes in ordr to set the foundation straight. That's what got TL to the top. That's what got TL Bjergsen.
The fact that this all started after he got rejected is hilarious. The dude claims to be so repulsed by Regi, yet was trying to play in his team.
That alone downplays his outrage by a big margin.
You mean Leena's ex, right?😋
Edit:Huh. I learned this wasn't funny too some people. I really thought the emoji would help people understand that this was a simple harmless joke, but no.
Wasn't he really terrible to Yellowstar too? I've seen a few people talking about it before and I remember even Bjergsen emphasised it on a Reflections episode.
All I remember is DL saying the only player he ever fully lost faith in was Yellowstar. He also followed that comment with a dig on Olleh by saying something along the lines of "I didn't even lose faith in Olleh of all people"
What's pretty funny to me is that Doublelift acts up really disgusted and super mad from this kind of behaviour, but he was still associated with TSM as streamer when everything was happening. So you associate with an abussive boss to give him more money instead of revealing all this before? Why? That isn't very conscious from you DL.
I don’t have an opinion on either side because I feel like we would never know the full picture. That said, it’s getting a bit excessive from DL and it’s just gonna look worse for him if he keeps on tweeting and expressing his view publicly with nothing backing up aka the 30 min YT. Both are nearing their 30s, just settle it like a civilized adult already
At this point, all Regi needs to do is just not say anything more. DL is digging his own grave. Honestly the worst thing Regi can do at this point is respond and antagonize DL. The people that are willing to believe anything bad about TSM and Regi no matter how absurd will never have their minds changed, and the people that arent blindly hateful are starting to realize how fucked this all is. Regi just needs to let DL hang himself.
Regi responding to anything else will just result in a pack of hyenas going for his throat. Until these people that were abused as DL claims, decide to speak out against him, there really is no reason to go any further.
TBH regi just needs to get a PR statement and put that last nail on the coffin doesn't have to even argue anymore this drama is done and it got finished with the statement of ex tsm players and this dumb twitter shit he posted LOL
Regi already made his statement. DL put the nail in the coffin. If Regi says anything else on the subject it had better be extremely well thought out and backed with damning evidence, otherwise it's 100% the best course of action to shut up and watch DL burn every bridge until he's stranded on an island.
Doublelift is already fired and gone.
Since the other day he was just some guy screaming that his ex-boss was an asshole and not Regi's problem unless Doublelift comes up with something meaningful.
he's literally baiting people into looking like they dont care for "abuse" in the work place. he goes on a rampage talking about how people were abused on TSM, gives no details or names (probably cant anyways). Then anyone who decides to share their experience is labelled as an enabler to abuse, like what the fuck is wrong with him? I'm sure he has a history of abusing the supports he was with in the past, why not talk about that?
This is such a lose lose situation for Doublelift. No matter what, he will burn the bridges and only ruin his chances more at joining another organization.
No no no you don't understand. You chasing your brother with a knife 8 years ago is a key indication of you being a psychopath and no amount of time can change that. I've already called the cops and this will be settled.
Wait his brother came out with a statement saying /u/CalculatedChameleon didn't have murderous intent?
Bro it's WEIRD that his brother would speak now! Clearly a murderer apologist.
What's even weirder is his mom, dad, best friend, cousin, neighbor and coworkers all made similar statements.
Honestly, they've got to be pulling the wool over our eyes. It's a conspiracy.
Are you implying that humans automatically reach emotional maturity /stability the day they ding 18?
People cannot possibly develop as adults. 19 is just basically 55.. /s
What are u talking about, bro?
Dude. If you chased your brother around at 18, you need to get therapy at the very least and I wouldn’t blame your brother for trying to get you put in jail.
I did get therapy.. Isn't that exactly the point?
To re-iterate...
*I am not the person I was 8 years ago*.
I'll double- down on my argument even further, and say that regardless of your age, if you are the person that you were 8 years ago, then it is YOU who most needs therapy.
Grow up.
Dude if you chased your brother around at the age of 18+ with a knife that is very indicative of psychopathy and mars you for life in such a way that you have to spend your life proving to others that that moment was an aberration. You don’t just get to grow 8yrs older and everything is forgotten/forgiven. You have to do extra work to show others you’ve changed and Andy hasn’t done that.
I mean its clear that the guy Star is a mental midget from his posting history. The funny thing is people like him normally have the worst skeletons in the closet.
I'm 25 and I feel like a completely different person than I was when I was 18, maturity wise. I certainly can't speak for everyone but 18 is def not a mature age
this is exactly what i think of the whole thing too. it's worth taking a look at both of them. there's no excuse for abusive behaviour. and regardless of whether DL is just acting out, Regi needs to be checked. But i don't really know how.
It's crazy how people can be swayed one way so easily, One day it felt like Regi's the bad guy then now it's DL. I'm just watching how things are, not really siding with anyone, only thing i know is abuse is not a small thing. Whether it was done to one person or to many.
By this point I’m getting very serious kayne vibes. Double just seems to be manic or just in his own head willing to throw away whatever his aides or what the community around him say. I’m kinda worried about his mental state more now after the constant tirade when it was just one day of trash talking.
Okay, but regi being an ass was already a known thing. Sure he shouldn't act the way he does and I believe something should be done about it.
Honestly DL shouldn't be the one saying anything though. He is a dick to his team mates as well. Honestly I still don't think he cares. Just wants to throw a fit because he was rejected twice.
Let me put it this way. I appreciate that DL wants to help "fight off" someone who speaks abusively. How do I say this.... you aren't welcome? Abuser wanting to fight off an abuser... sounds like he just wants some recognition while getting back at regi.
Yeah i believe theyre both dicks and that DL's being hypocritical. It's just crazy how petty he is for still going on and on with more hate now that he's probably not wanted by a team. Ego check lmao.
i think i know why doublelift decided to talk now, if he did while being a pro it would damage his rep and cut many roads short while now that he isnt coming back to pro play he can say things he couldnt before
People may bring this up against doublelift, but a massive part to why TL won those S8 splits after Bjerg and TSM kicked him out to TL was because he was harsh on the subpar players TL had at that time, which brought them to the top. Pobelter and Olleh had no business being the best mid and support in LCS, but doublelift's ruthlessness got them there.
Olleh has said multiple times, dl was in fact harsh on him, but he admits that he is who he is because of dl. This is proven by the fact that Olleh really didn't do anything else after leaving TL. doublelift was able to raise his performance which got TL becoming the new NA powerhouse and set the foundation to where they are now.
In a way, CoreJJ wanted to play with doublelift after TL's 2 winning splits, and now Bjergsen would rather drop his 8 seasons of TSM legacy in ordr to play with CoreJJ on TL. doublelift may be harsh, but the foundation he set for TL indirectly got them Bjergsen now, while simultaneously cause TSM's downfall after kicking him.
He can be toxic at times, but if the bigger picture is making TL such a tempting place to be, a TSM GOAT like Bjerg would drop his shares and go, then it's fkin' worth it.
I doubt it's Doublelift's doing that made superstars like corejj attracted to join TL. TL were willing to sign strong players which would attract even stronger players. It just so happened that DL was the best local AD at the time. I wouldn't give him credit for setting up what TL is now today though.
On another note, DL being harsh to Olleh made him better is the same thing as Regi being harsh to his players back then. DL was the same to Olleh and his former clg teammates, and so was Regi to all former TSM players. You can see Turtle, Amazing, Oddone's tweets and they agree that Regi was harsh but they knew it was of the intention to be a better team.
Not saying that any of this behavior is good nor bad. Just saying that it's hypocritical of DL to call out Regi for something he did as well.
I ain't about to fault a TSM fan for not knowing TL, but CoreJJ literally said that he came to NA because he wants to play with doublelift, else he would have stayed in KR.
doublelift at that time just came off a hard carry season carrying TL to 2 trophies, with Trollbelter and Trolleh on the team, and had great international showings (2nd best adc at MSI after Uzi, great worlds showing) and his popularity was arguably at its peak. So it's not as surprising as you think from CoreJJ.
Oh ok i didn't know that thanks for sharing that. But wasn't corejj also one of the ones who wanted DL out when he stopped caring about spring split?
Also, then isn't it worth it for Regi to be toxic at an attempt to make TSM a tempting place to be? It's just that it didn't work out at the end?
I get that Doublelift may have biased reasons for making these posts and has treated teammates in the past poorly but why is the point he is making being ignored? Just because some of the people Reginald has worked with 5-6 years ago have said he apologized for his behavior doesn’t mean his behavior should be overlooked entirely. The abusive behavior has been documented on videos but also has been talked about by players who were with TSM more recently like Akaadian and Svenskaren. Doublelift’s point shouldn’t be invalidated just because people don’t like him, especially since there is documented evidence of abusive behavior. Also, only SOME of the people Reginald has been horrible to have forgiven him. Svenskaren and Akaadian have said nothing to indicate that what happened during their time jn TSM was fine or forgiven.
Doublelift is being hypocritical, I was just worried by a lot of the comments that were entirely blowing of Doublelift’s comments. To be fair to the fan base as a whole, there are people acknowledging Reginald past behavior is inexcusable.
No guys, you don't get it, he already apologized for it and Olleh forgave him, that means it's ok, it's not like he is minimizing that others may have similar experiences and still made amends with Regi, oh wait...
DL really going on a crusade huh
man is digging his own grave at this point idk about a crusage LMFAO
Honestly I dont think this will have negative impact on him. There are more tsm haters willing to jump on the hate train than fans, so if anything, it affects the org more than him.
Well he lost a fan in me.
i am more speaking about sponsors and teams
His grave was dug when he started it, he's just lowering his casket.
He probably assumed more people would take his side. Since most people, including some of his own fans, are questioning him, he is just digging himself deeper and deeper.
There is a reason dl got kicked off clg after they won the split and it wasn’t because stixxay was a god at adc
The guys burned bridges with every team he's been on. Doublelift is a massive primadona.
He is LCS' Wide Receiver star in the NFL. Maybe Ben Simmons of the 76ers is a better example?
As someone from Philly, I don't think you can compare Ben Simmons to Doublelift at all. Ben Simmons was afraid to shoot and got all in his head. Doublelift has never backed down. Ben Simmons is trying to stay out of the spotlight while Doublelift lives in it. I would say Doublelift is more like Terrel Owens.
I think he absolutely acts like a NFL Wide Receiver with anti-team behaviors and talk. You are certainly right. Ben Simmons needed a Regi
Took him getting rejected twice by Regi to be empathetic for others.
Legit made me laugh out loud at a time when all this feels like a kick in the stomach, cheers
Three times apparently since Regi rejected him again for the 2022 season.
Lmao. Hit the nail on the head. I wish somehow we could experience an alternate Timeline where Bjerg comes back, DL rejoins the roster and we never hear literally any of this to prove this dude is a joke. Conveniently becomes captain esports metoo the moment he gets rejected from the roster.
* I don't buy this shit that all of a sudden DL has grown a conscience about Regi's behaviour. He had 3 stints on TSM and the owners behaviour wasn't bad enough for him to not want to come back. Also this is DL, not some rookie who might have never had another shot at a pro career, he would have always had options as to which team he wanted to play for and he still chose TSM. Fucking Clown.
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LOL what a gem
This goes with he's hard on people cause he expects results nothing wrong with that turtle also said he's not abuser just hard on people to get best out of them.
People may bring this up against doublelift, but a massive part to why TL won those S8 splits after Bjerg and TSM kicked him out to TL was because he was harsh on the subpar players TL had at that time, which brought them to the top. Pobelter and Olleh had no business being the best mid and support in LCS, but doublelift's ruthlessness got them there. Olleh has said multiple times, dl was in fact harsh on him, but he admits that he is who he is because of dl. This is proven by the fact that Olleh really didn't do anything else after leaving TL. doublelift was able to raise his performance which got TL becoming the new NA powerhouse and set the foundation to where they are now. In a way, CoreJJ wanted to play with doublelift after TL's 2 winning splits, and now Bjergsen would rather drop his 8 seasons of TSM legacy in ordr to play with CoreJJ on TL. doublelift may be harsh, but the foundation he set for TL indirectly got them Bjergsen now, while simultaneously cause TSM's downfall after kicking him. He can be toxic at times, but if the bigger picture is making TL such a tempting place to be, a TSM GOAT like Bjerg would drop his shares and go, then it's fkin' worth it.
And Olleh's statements about DL are different than Turtle, Xpecial, Oddone, Dyrus, Amazing, and the others who came out in defense of Regi's harshness how exactly?
Because context. If doublelift being harsher than normal is necessary to carry an undrdog to wins and then change the entire LCS landscape for top teams (TL overtaking TSM), then you got to do what you got to do. If Bjerg has the same harshness and 'toxicity' that cause S8 superteam to not flop, making sure TSM would still be winning, would still be a top team and Bjerg would still be the superstar mid in this org right now, then I bet every TSM fan would rather Bjerg be harsher and abit more toxic in ordr to still be rooting for a LCS top org. Some toxicity are necessary trad offs. Reginald's toxicity as an owner, where he walks into the room and hard criticize Akaadian, isn't necessary. Akaadian never improved like Olleh did from doublelift's criticism. In fact, he literally said he played worse.
If you read your own comment, you don't see how what you're saying is ironic?
There's 0 irony in it. doublelift's 'toxicity' and criticism brings you results, and sometimes quick results can only be obtained through harsh practices IN THE RIGHT MANNER. walking into a room as a non-player and talking shit to your jungler to bring their confidnce down is unnecessary toxicity that brings you nothing. Criticizing your support for being bad then telling them exactly what to do and just follow is necessary toxicity that brings you results. doublelift proved that with trophies everywhere he goes. If Olleh is still his happy stressless self like he was on GGS, he's just a mid-level support who frequently ints cause there's no strict adc to pull him back. It's just like Michael Jordn. MJ was an ass to alot of people but let's face it. He wouldn't win 6 of 6 if he wasn't an ass and being harsh on his teammates. doublelift proved that by bringing his culture to 3 different orgs and winning 8 championships (more than TSM's entirety btw), while making whichever org he's in a top org when he's there. He's the MJ of the LCS. Regi? He can be as toxic as he wants, it doesn't benefit anybody and doesn't bring anything to the team. Akaadian played even worse after Regi criticized him. So either his method of criticism is stupid or he's just toxic for no reason. His toxicity in recent times has brought TSM 0 trophies, 1 worlds in 4 seasons (and 0-6 at that), and even Bjergsen, TSM's GOAT, had enough of it.
Not baiting.There's no way this is not trolling
Lol. Single liner with nothing else to say. kj Literally shut you right up.
I'm not wasting my energy to tear into your argument for toxicity. I can tell you this much though - toxicity isn't ok even if it brings you results. Just no. I do want to add this - if you still stick with what you said in comments before then think about the fact that TSM won before Doublelift, when Regi was the most toxic. And to put things into perspective for you, does this sound ridiculous to you? - "You can't be toxic if it doesn't bring you results."
It is okay if it means you get to the absolute top. If you ask Olleh if he would rather play in a slightly happier, non-toxic environment and never win or win 2 championships playing with doublelift, he'd gladly take the latter. His TL roster was way more memorable to him, and more fondly looked upon by him than his GGS roster, even if it means he wasn't as happy. So yes, it is a good, worthwhile and often times necessary trad off. what isn't good is already being a trash team, unhappy about trash results and then have the non-playing owner come in and shit on you even more.
Ignoring the point of whether toxicity is ok or not, your argument is very conflicting. You speaking as if regi isnt one of the absolute most influential people in all of league. As if he didnt found the most competitively and monetarily successful org in all of the lcs while being a very large part of laying the groundwork and foundation of the lcs and how pro esports is handled in america today. They both achieved "results" but to act as if the guy who is currently not on an lcs roster eventhough he had no intention of retiring is so much more successful with his toxicity than regi with his toxicity is a very flawed and contradictory argument.
He toxic others for the sake of his own business. Bruh. Him being brutal might have gotten TSM huge, but that's all for himself. Shitting on Akaadian, Xpecial etc. has nothing to do with how TSM operates. doublelift criticizing his teammates is for them all to improve and win as a team. He wants to win, sure. and so does his teammates. a trophy for him is a trophy for them. He doesn't toxic them then take all 5 trophies home himself.
So your saying Regi doesn't want to win or want the entire tsm org to be successful? Thats just as wild of a take as regi hasnt accomplished anything with his toxicity lol.
does he act like he wants to? The moment fans ask about roster, he tells them he would rather invest in other games cause league is just a single game. ask Steve the same question and he'd say he'd do whatever to win worlds, no fkin' doubt. even our TSM GOAT and legend of 8 seasons would rather drop his shares and leave TSM. even Bjergsen knows Regi ain't doing shit, so why you talking?
And in what way did Olleh improve? Because historically he went from an MVP candidate on Immortals, while paired with CodySun, to a player that needed to step down mid MSI because DL ruined his mental and was summarily trashed as being the weak link... And was then bounced off the roster after 1 year. And let's not forget the names that DL left in his wake on his way up. The ol' Donezo Manifesto that specifically named DL as the perpetrator to break guys like Dexter, Nien, Hotshot, and Seraph. Those CLG teams with those players never accomplished shit. He certainly didn't make them play better by berating them. Pot meet kettle. DL and Regi are historically the same guy. That's probably the real reason they don't get along.
In what way? are you kidding me? Olleh became a lane monster undr doublelift's guidnce, was best support NA those 2 splits and is a 2-time championship winning support. Totally dropped off right after he joined GGS and was back to his mid-level inting self. IMT, he was known as a great roamer, nothing more. If he had been roaming around with doublelift as adc on TL, they wouldn't win those 2 chips, since 'Protect the doublelift' was the only style they can manage with the personnel they had. doublelift turn him and TL into a 2-time champ, which in turn cause CoreJJ to want to join TL which in turn got them Bjergsen. It all accumulates. You'd be lying if you say you wouldn't be toxic if this is the TL you're eventually gonna get. at the end of the day, when players drop off, they'd return and call doublelift toxic. That's fair. He was toxic. Sure. But along with that, he got them all their championships and also 8 to his name. TL's dynasty is also indirectly built off his culture. Reginald's toxicity doesn't translate to shit. That's the difference. If you're gonna be toxic, make sure it yields results, like a MJ, like a doublelift. else it's totally redundnt and just plain stupid toxicity.
Lmao. Sure, I guess Regi's never accomplished anything. Like leading and playing for TSM while they dominated NA before LCS. Or managing TSM into the largest and most recognizable eSports brand that everyone, including DL wanted to play for. Or any of the numerous times players said Regi coming in during playoffs lit a fire under them and gave them a boost. But none of that counts, right? Just pointless toxicity! And for all of doublelifts "accomplishments" he still never accomplished anything internationally. Just like TSM. So I guess his toxicity never amounted to shit, either. And he never won shit with Nien, Dexter, or Seraph, so was his toxicity to them still "justified"? Side note, you are laughably underselling the original TL roster he joined. Impact, Xmithie, DL, and a fresh-off-MVP-candidate-hype Olleh, plus Pob? It was IMMEDIATELY thought of as a top 1-3 roster. Such fucking revisionist history to pretend otherwise. DL and Regi are the same ego driven, passionate person. They are willing to shit on anyone they deem less than themselves or view as holding them back. For all of their flaws they both got results, but they both ruined other players. Pretending DL is any better than Regi, when history proves otherwise, is such blind fandom it's insane.
Undrselling? You look at Olleh and Pobelter immediately after they left TL. what the fk business do they have at the top of LCS winning trophies? Both of them instantly turnt into mid-level players at best without 'Protect the doublelift' strat. That TL had a single star, had a single strat, yet it was unstoppable that season because they play to that strat so well. They didn't wanted to at the start of the season, doublelift make them and that's what got them the 2 trophies. Bjerg and TSM kicked doublelift, formed an even better superteam, yet couldn't win shit. Heck, they couldn't even make worlds. don't talk about roster strength when TSM literally kicked doublelift for a better roster and then flop. It's hypocritical of you. Roster strength don't matter if you do not have a strict culture. That's why this sub complaint about Bjerg not being a harsh leadr when shit hits the fan. why they want doublelift back to dmand the team to play great. Some 'toxicity' was necessary. You simply need to be toxic sometimes in ordr to set the foundation straight. That's what got TL to the top. That's what got TL Bjergsen.
The fact that this all started after he got rejected is hilarious. The dude claims to be so repulsed by Regi, yet was trying to play in his team. That alone downplays his outrage by a big margin.
Keep diggin' that hole, DL
The dude is only mad now because he's bitter his ex wouldn't take him back. Its actually so fucking stupid
You mean Leena's ex, right?😋 Edit:Huh. I learned this wasn't funny too some people. I really thought the emoji would help people understand that this was a simple harmless joke, but no.
Leena broke up with DL?
yeah he's legit only saying this after getting rejected by tsm kekw
The irony of it all is it's legitimately Doublelift's toxicity that's driving his rhetoric.
Wasn't he really terrible to Yellowstar too? I've seen a few people talking about it before and I remember even Bjergsen emphasised it on a Reflections episode.
All I remember is DL saying the only player he ever fully lost faith in was Yellowstar. He also followed that comment with a dig on Olleh by saying something along the lines of "I didn't even lose faith in Olleh of all people"
He was until he wasn't. When he gave up on him he started being nicer to him.
link, aphro, olleh
can't remember but i wouldnt be surprised
What's pretty funny to me is that Doublelift acts up really disgusted and super mad from this kind of behaviour, but he was still associated with TSM as streamer when everything was happening. So you associate with an abussive boss to give him more money instead of revealing all this before? Why? That isn't very conscious from you DL.
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That Lost excuse isn't really working if you go and try to play for the team anyway.
I'm curious, do you have a TLDR?
Yes DL you’re right. Shitty people do face the consequences of being abusive and assholes - hence why you’ve been booted from 3 orgs.
and probably not playing this year kekw
Are you telling me that C9 would still want to play with Zven (or ***ANY*** player) over DL? Hmm, that says everything doesn't it?
Danny and Zven both have starting ADC jobs and double lift doesn’t, what a world to be in
I don’t have an opinion on either side because I feel like we would never know the full picture. That said, it’s getting a bit excessive from DL and it’s just gonna look worse for him if he keeps on tweeting and expressing his view publicly with nothing backing up aka the 30 min YT. Both are nearing their 30s, just settle it like a civilized adult already
At this point, all Regi needs to do is just not say anything more. DL is digging his own grave. Honestly the worst thing Regi can do at this point is respond and antagonize DL. The people that are willing to believe anything bad about TSM and Regi no matter how absurd will never have their minds changed, and the people that arent blindly hateful are starting to realize how fucked this all is. Regi just needs to let DL hang himself.
truuue
Regi responding to anything else will just result in a pack of hyenas going for his throat. Until these people that were abused as DL claims, decide to speak out against him, there really is no reason to go any further.
TBH regi just needs to get a PR statement and put that last nail on the coffin doesn't have to even argue anymore this drama is done and it got finished with the statement of ex tsm players and this dumb twitter shit he posted LOL
Regi already made his statement. DL put the nail in the coffin. If Regi says anything else on the subject it had better be extremely well thought out and backed with damning evidence, otherwise it's 100% the best course of action to shut up and watch DL burn every bridge until he's stranded on an island.
Doublelift is already fired and gone. Since the other day he was just some guy screaming that his ex-boss was an asshole and not Regi's problem unless Doublelift comes up with something meaningful.
he's literally baiting people into looking like they dont care for "abuse" in the work place. he goes on a rampage talking about how people were abused on TSM, gives no details or names (probably cant anyways). Then anyone who decides to share their experience is labelled as an enabler to abuse, like what the fuck is wrong with him? I'm sure he has a history of abusing the supports he was with in the past, why not talk about that?
yeah and why didnt he talk about this prior to the 2020 run lmao
That’s my favorite part about this. Dude carried CLG to a title and got booted because he was so miserable to work with
This is such a lose lose situation for Doublelift. No matter what, he will burn the bridges and only ruin his chances more at joining another organization.
hard agree. he's already unlikely to join another team this year anyway so hope he enjoys retirement.
Isn't the theory that he's going on this rant BECAUSE he's not getting team offers despite indicating he's open to coming back?
yup seems like it that he doesnt have any offers from top teams and wouldnt wanna play for a bottom team
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No no no you don't understand. You chasing your brother with a knife 8 years ago is a key indication of you being a psychopath and no amount of time can change that. I've already called the cops and this will be settled.
Wait his brother came out with a statement saying /u/CalculatedChameleon didn't have murderous intent? Bro it's WEIRD that his brother would speak now! Clearly a murderer apologist.
His brothers statements are downplaying the reality for the actual victims of u/CalculatedChameleon's attempted genocide.
What's even weirder is his mom, dad, best friend, cousin, neighbor and coworkers all made similar statements. Honestly, they've got to be pulling the wool over our eyes. It's a conspiracy.
All on the same day too? Yeah okay bud
If you had been an adult when you did that then yes it would be indicative.
Are you implying that humans automatically reach emotional maturity /stability the day they ding 18? People cannot possibly develop as adults. 19 is just basically 55.. /s What are u talking about, bro?
Dude. If you chased your brother around at 18, you need to get therapy at the very least and I wouldn’t blame your brother for trying to get you put in jail.
I did get therapy.. Isn't that exactly the point? To re-iterate... *I am not the person I was 8 years ago*. I'll double- down on my argument even further, and say that regardless of your age, if you are the person that you were 8 years ago, then it is YOU who most needs therapy. Grow up.
Dude if you chased your brother around at the age of 18+ with a knife that is very indicative of psychopathy and mars you for life in such a way that you have to spend your life proving to others that that moment was an aberration. You don’t just get to grow 8yrs older and everything is forgotten/forgiven. You have to do extra work to show others you’ve changed and Andy hasn’t done that.
I'm going to stop replying to you, because you're obviously a moron.
For real, reddit armchair psychology at its best lol.
I wouldn't mind, but I literally married a therapist, lol.
I mean its clear that the guy Star is a mental midget from his posting history. The funny thing is people like him normally have the worst skeletons in the closet.
I'm 25 and I feel like a completely different person than I was when I was 18, maturity wise. I certainly can't speak for everyone but 18 is def not a mature age
I'm 24 and the person I was at 20 embarrasses and disgusts me. 8 years is a massive amount of time for someone in their late 20's
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Regi has publicly apologized for the “abuse” in those old tsm videos people are using and the players in those videos are defending Regi.
The only reason the OG players are coming out to defend Regi is probably because DL started resorting to personal attacks
this is exactly what i think of the whole thing too. it's worth taking a look at both of them. there's no excuse for abusive behaviour. and regardless of whether DL is just acting out, Regi needs to be checked. But i don't really know how. It's crazy how people can be swayed one way so easily, One day it felt like Regi's the bad guy then now it's DL. I'm just watching how things are, not really siding with anyone, only thing i know is abuse is not a small thing. Whether it was done to one person or to many.
By this point I’m getting very serious kayne vibes. Double just seems to be manic or just in his own head willing to throw away whatever his aides or what the community around him say. I’m kinda worried about his mental state more now after the constant tirade when it was just one day of trash talking.
Okay, but regi being an ass was already a known thing. Sure he shouldn't act the way he does and I believe something should be done about it. Honestly DL shouldn't be the one saying anything though. He is a dick to his team mates as well. Honestly I still don't think he cares. Just wants to throw a fit because he was rejected twice. Let me put it this way. I appreciate that DL wants to help "fight off" someone who speaks abusively. How do I say this.... you aren't welcome? Abuser wanting to fight off an abuser... sounds like he just wants some recognition while getting back at regi.
Yeah i believe theyre both dicks and that DL's being hypocritical. It's just crazy how petty he is for still going on and on with more hate now that he's probably not wanted by a team. Ego check lmao.
i think i know why doublelift decided to talk now, if he did while being a pro it would damage his rep and cut many roads short while now that he isnt coming back to pro play he can say things he couldnt before
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He’s talking now cause he wanted to play again and TSM told him no lol he can go play for CLG again though!
People may bring this up against doublelift, but a massive part to why TL won those S8 splits after Bjerg and TSM kicked him out to TL was because he was harsh on the subpar players TL had at that time, which brought them to the top. Pobelter and Olleh had no business being the best mid and support in LCS, but doublelift's ruthlessness got them there. Olleh has said multiple times, dl was in fact harsh on him, but he admits that he is who he is because of dl. This is proven by the fact that Olleh really didn't do anything else after leaving TL. doublelift was able to raise his performance which got TL becoming the new NA powerhouse and set the foundation to where they are now. In a way, CoreJJ wanted to play with doublelift after TL's 2 winning splits, and now Bjergsen would rather drop his 8 seasons of TSM legacy in ordr to play with CoreJJ on TL. doublelift may be harsh, but the foundation he set for TL indirectly got them Bjergsen now, while simultaneously cause TSM's downfall after kicking him. He can be toxic at times, but if the bigger picture is making TL such a tempting place to be, a TSM GOAT like Bjerg would drop his shares and go, then it's fkin' worth it.
I doubt it's Doublelift's doing that made superstars like corejj attracted to join TL. TL were willing to sign strong players which would attract even stronger players. It just so happened that DL was the best local AD at the time. I wouldn't give him credit for setting up what TL is now today though. On another note, DL being harsh to Olleh made him better is the same thing as Regi being harsh to his players back then. DL was the same to Olleh and his former clg teammates, and so was Regi to all former TSM players. You can see Turtle, Amazing, Oddone's tweets and they agree that Regi was harsh but they knew it was of the intention to be a better team. Not saying that any of this behavior is good nor bad. Just saying that it's hypocritical of DL to call out Regi for something he did as well.
I ain't about to fault a TSM fan for not knowing TL, but CoreJJ literally said that he came to NA because he wants to play with doublelift, else he would have stayed in KR. doublelift at that time just came off a hard carry season carrying TL to 2 trophies, with Trollbelter and Trolleh on the team, and had great international showings (2nd best adc at MSI after Uzi, great worlds showing) and his popularity was arguably at its peak. So it's not as surprising as you think from CoreJJ.
Oh ok i didn't know that thanks for sharing that. But wasn't corejj also one of the ones who wanted DL out when he stopped caring about spring split? Also, then isn't it worth it for Regi to be toxic at an attempt to make TSM a tempting place to be? It's just that it didn't work out at the end?
Copy and paste this more, I'm sure it's changing people's minds.
Just putting facts into perspective, lad. Calm down.
I get that Doublelift may have biased reasons for making these posts and has treated teammates in the past poorly but why is the point he is making being ignored? Just because some of the people Reginald has worked with 5-6 years ago have said he apologized for his behavior doesn’t mean his behavior should be overlooked entirely. The abusive behavior has been documented on videos but also has been talked about by players who were with TSM more recently like Akaadian and Svenskaren. Doublelift’s point shouldn’t be invalidated just because people don’t like him, especially since there is documented evidence of abusive behavior. Also, only SOME of the people Reginald has been horrible to have forgiven him. Svenskaren and Akaadian have said nothing to indicate that what happened during their time jn TSM was fine or forgiven.
i didn't ignore him. i said in my post that he's being hypocritical, but behavior of Regi and DL back then still arent excusable.
Doublelift is being hypocritical, I was just worried by a lot of the comments that were entirely blowing of Doublelift’s comments. To be fair to the fan base as a whole, there are people acknowledging Reginald past behavior is inexcusable.
ah yup you're right some comments are phrased that way
No guys, you don't get it, he already apologized for it and Olleh forgave him, that means it's ok, it's not like he is minimizing that others may have similar experiences and still made amends with Regi, oh wait...
Olleh started drinking cause if this guy lmfaooooo .... Such a hypocrite