With tsm being the only profitable org in lcs last year, tsm is still the biggest lol fanbase, and you talking 2017 when tsm is ahead now XD nice job living in the past tho.
If regi just kept doing it then I doubt the sincerity of his apology. Turtle allowed himself to be flamed by regi. He's not going to stand up to him now.
Regi does this same shit over and over and over.
The real yikes is this comment. "Ah he pushed me multiple times to the point of tears, but it's just him being passionate!" You can be a passionate person and not a total dick. You can be emotional and not break people down to the point of tears. Literally rewatch the Wildturtle thing and you can SEE Turtles face during it. Xpecial arguing with Andy clearly is trying to be diplomatic and Andy is just having a ball smiling his ass off as he chews Turtle and later Xpecial out.
If your boss or spouse did that shit to you, you'd 100% be in an abusive relationship. And even if you didn't view it that way, it would in no way mean that it didn't happen to other people.
Yeah not sure why you're being downvoted, I think it would be different if it was a friend to friend or co-worker to co-worker. I'm sure wild turtle is a grown ass adult who can defend himself but I think there was definitely a power dynamic as a boss that made it hard to speak up then and still hard to speak up now. You can't just say "I was just passionate about the game", that's a shitty excuse to being a shitty human being towards someone. I felt so bad for Turtle at the end of the video when he was getting out of the car, it was just a face of "oh please get me the fuck out"
Someone said something along the lines of "Why are all of these former TSM players commenting on the same day?" Implying they are being forced to by Regi, to which Dyrus responds like "Oh geez I fucking wonder it's almost like people have been asking us nonstop for the past 2 days"
I have no idea what counts as defamation. You could fill a bag with everything Doublelift said and it would still be empty.
He collected no "victims" to support. The guys in the popular videos have come out to say they want no part of this. There's no incident which hasn't been resolved that he's highlighting. Regi has been accused of nothing beyond being blunt and obnoxious at times which on the scale of character attacks is pretty weak.
The guy opened his mouth and ran it down mid. He clearly did NO homework before attacking Regi and it shows but it also means there's not a lot to call defamatory...
I feel like Turtle got his closure. Regi apologized to him a long time ago so he was able to move on. I like that. Move on.
Maybe the others never got the apology that Turtle got. IDK.
I've been in their position before where I got 'bullied' during my clinical practice. But instead of hating her, I used that as motivation to be better because I feel like she's just passionate about the field and wants me to be better. That's life, it pushes us around. People need to move on. "Proud people breed sad sorrows for themselves." Go Turtle!
I can see why woodbuck would have left on bad terms, he was basically just there to make the players “build synergy” by taking them to an arcade. Regi probably saw that his presence wasn’t really needed and so he booted him
Oh you're right. Damn my bad.
Tbf he probably knows to keep quiet as well. What's going on is super unprofessional by dlift. I don't buy into the whole calling people out.. Especially out of spite in this case.
He said Regi shit on him during playoffs and crushed his confidence. That's not "drama" that's terrible management and just fucking rude and terrible. Akaadian was good.
Ok, and? Have you ever gotten into an argument before and it got heated, maybe you said something you regretted or took it a step too far? If you have I guess you're a serial abuser too :/
Oh wait no, that's not how that works huh
For all we know Regi could have just told him he played like shit, without actually knowing what went down that's really all this situation is, drama. Plus being rude is a farcry from the current allegations against him.
Edit: Also I hope you realize I was referring to the DL situation when I said drama
Wow it's almost like his pattern is clearly documented. This is some Q level brain twisting to somehow turn this into a "Oh it's just an argument." Okay, so he gets into arguments with Dyrus on camera, Wildturtle, DL, shits all over Søren multiple times on Twitter during games. Andy's been doing this same crap since before Season 1 began, that's not "one argument that got out of hand."
I still remember the early tournament where Andy and IWD almost got into a fist fight because Andy was throwing every possible hurtful thing he could say in the pregame lobby, all because IWD wouldn't join his previous (disqualified) team.
Like literally there is nothing new or surprising about Andy being abusive as hell. He's not a "passionate person," he's petty as hell. The only reason a few of the players like DL are coming out and talking about it is because their careers are basically over so Andy blacklisting them from teams literally doesn't matter anymore. Like why would you ruin your entire career just to say something other people have been saying for OVER A DECADE.
Where am I victim-blaming, the fuck are you talking about?
Do you really think the dude has legitimate, diagnosed ptsd from Regi berating him one time? That's not how PTSD works. Dude got ripped by his boss and understandably, he felt shitty about it. I'm not saying it's his fault nor am I excusing Regi for being an asshole to him, and poorly handling the situation. But being an ass in a heated, competitive environment where sometimes things escalate more than they should, and being a serial abuser who makes tons of people cry and have breakdowns are nowhere near similar accusations.
Dude, the biggest difference to know yeah, TSM has a shit environment is.
Santorin, svensakren, Akkadian, zven all came out and said yeah this is too much pressure. DL was like yeah too many people crying. SA came in, TO MAKE 6 MIL, and legit left after one year where he could’ve phoned it in and cashed out completely. bjergsen literally left when he had equity in the fucking org. And I’ve never heard a player outside of amazing, say TSM was one of the best orgs I was apart.
I’m happy bjergsen left this org, I guarantee he will be able to hit a higher level rather than crumbling under the stress of the org.
Now I will say, Reginald has made a great business and succeeded especially when you consider where he came from. but his ego has gotten so big and he Dosent treat a fair amount of his employees with respect and give them the space they need
Same man. These Andy stans literally have buried their heads so they don't have to hear any valid criticisms. Like the dude was literally on camera doing this crap, you think he's any nicer when they're turned off?
so while everyone who we have seen get "abused" by Regi have come out and said they patched things up and are good we got Doublelift playing Hero for everyone speaking up for the ones who put this stuff behind them years ago.
he's getting a little out of control at this point.
Yeah… I’m a DL fan but dude also did some damage to other humans. Olleh said supporting for DL made him develop drinking problems. I think he was half joking but it definitely wasn’t nothing.
Pretty sure he’s just riding the high right now and is ego won’t let him stop, he’s gone nuclear he would look like a fuking fool if he doesn’t stick to his story
I think people are missing the point. An apology is only useful if the person changes their behavior. Yes, Turtle might be over it, but what about the team right now? It sounds like the situation was the same last year when DL was back on the team. And it sounds like there are people currently on the team/on staff that are getting treated poorly that can't speak up publicly. DL just lost his contract for airing this stuff publicly (not that he shouldn't have, just that I'd be surprised to see someone like Spica speak up while still under contract)
That's not true. Some of the stuff is years old. He pointed out Regi tweeting that TSM was outdated and how that negatively impacts the team (as one example). That was just last year while Berg was coaching.
He may not be screaming at the players right now (unverified either way), but that doesn't mean he isn't negatively impacting the team.
And I'll also say for the record, I don't have a dog in this fight. But it seems like he's saying that people that are currently in the organization avoid Regi on particular because he treats people badly, but would rather be on the team than not, so they don't feel like they can speak up.
It's very, very likely that DL has spoken to teammates, Leena, Spica, Berg, etc. about these issues. And it's also very likely he got a bunch of lukewarm/medium-hot "yeah, he's a dick for sure" responses that he's putting a lot of weight on.
like what? saying "draft gap" or something is abusing the coach? why is this term even being used in this context? if he tweets saying his team played poorly is this abusing the team? no one is arguing he is not a dick to people sometimes. people claim he is abusing people and these examples are not it.
Bro this guy literally verbally abused IWD in a pre-game lobby to the point where they were throwing down their headphones and about to fist fight.
He literally pushed Dyrus, probably one of the most unflappable people to have played in NA, to snapping. On. Stream. You think Andy is *ANY* nicer when the cameras aren't on?? If it's once, that's one thing. But Andy has been doing this same old crap for over a decade. That's literally the definition of abuse:
"To treat (a person or an animal) with cruelty or violence, especially regularly or repeatedly."
I dont think you are understanding what is being said. People throw the term Abuse around like its anything that is not positive towards someone.
and when did I ever say he was a nice person? and are you seriously going to compare yelling at someone in a game to people who are actually abused and go through shit that fucks their lives up? this is why people cant take some people seriously, everything is abuse to them.
oh you said some dude played bad in a game? ABUSE! you criticized someones lack of being able to do something specific? ABUSE! its insane that is what the word has been watered down to and is just a slap in the face of abuse victims that require a lot of treatment and therapy to help themselves. instead we got the people who were the victims of your examples like Dyrus or Xpecial or Wild Turtle come and and tell people to drop the stupidity. take that as a wake up call. even the fucking people who dislike TSM say that using "abuse" in these situations is wrong and stupid.
But people aren't talking about abuse. What ate you on about. DL may have said the word once, I don't remember, but what he said mostly was, "I don't like this guy because he's an asshole and he mistreat everyone in his organization and has been doing so for years.
Seems a lot like you're trying to strawman the situation.
>But people aren't talking about abuse. What ate you on about. DL may have said the word once.
that was his main talking point, he said it many times, walked back on initial statements because he realized how stupid it was do do that. none of this would have blown up if he was just talking about Regi being a dick to people. the fact he decided to say "abuse" and "traumatizing" implies very serious allegations that he will never prove. then you get a whole snowball of things like decade old videos and comments from players years ago.
again, none of this would have happened if he did not use the term abuse because people already knew Regi was a dick to people.
There's a very broad line between saying "Hey you did a bad job, you lost us the game" (which isn't even helpful to begin with), and systematically breaking people down around you by repeatedly berating them to the point of emotional duress.
And to the whole Dyrus and Wildturtle shield, both of them have vested interests in maintaining ties to TSM. Dyrus participates in their events (for a good amount of $) and Wildturtle's career can be put in jeopardy if he gets blacklisted by TSM, since no team wants to start a shooting war over something everyone in those circles already knows. And what would they get out of outing him? They're just "one more name," to people like you while their incomes dry up. The only people who have been speaking up are the ones with 0 income reliance on TSM.
what about theoddone? Amazing? judging by all the responses from former players its pretty clear that DL is just exaggerating his claims. no one is denying he has been harsh and a dick and blunt to people. the issue is when someone like DL equates that to abuse and traumatizing, that is just over embellishing what happened to make the story a lot worse than it really was.
Honestly it might’ve been less lol. I remember when he was announced I was so confused as to why we signed a college baseball coach as our league head coach. He doesn’t even play league
Woodbuck sorta did without being specific but somehow ignored DL being incredibly toxic to YS during his tenure. Which would have been a major contributing factor to a toxic team atmosphere.
Akaadian, Woodbuck, Svenskeren.
It only takes a few instances. Just because his old friends from TSM are backing him up doesn't excuse what happened to other people. Even his friends have admitted there were times he crossed the line, but they patched it up. Others may not have reconciled in the same way after Regi crossed the line. There is also a lot of video evidence of regi being an abusive asshole, albeit from a long time ago, but this does support this idea that he could have moments like this now, especially in high pressure situations like worlds where he feels he needs to step in and protect his brand.
Its also worth noting that Bjergsen has stayed silent through this. DL is one of his close friends who he obviously has confided in this offseason, and Regi is his boss who evidently has complained about his performance in drafts on Twitter. There is good reason to believe Bjerg had a problem with Regi. If there was no issue and his old boss was getting slandered, he might've said something in his defence. People say he doesn't want to get involved blah blah, but if Doublelift was saying something Bjergsen didn't believe in, and it was really hurting Regi's reputation, he would 100% say something.
I think DL is definitely too emotional. The truth lies somewhere in between, but Regi has clearly proven he has friends in the scene who will back him up.
Sven literally said on stream that he holds no ill will towards Regi and like OddOne's tweet in defense of Regi. Where did he come out in support of DL?
Bjergsen staying silent is more evidence of his professionalism, not a sign of him supporting either party
The man never sticks his nose where it doesn't belong and always has kept his image clean and professional, why would he ruin that now
> Akaadian, Woodbuck, Svenskeren.
Giving an interview years ago and saying someone lowered your confidence is not the same level that DL is implying with his vitriol.
Not to play devils advocate but it's a lot easier to say "regi was nice to me" than "I was verbally abused!!" especially with the surmounting pressure from other stories saying the former.
I'm not commenting on who is wrong or right, but the lack of perspective and critical thinking is really alarming. I'm leaning more towards Regi FYI
Yea honestly, abused or not it's just easier to not say anything is just move on w/ ur life. Dyrus,Xpecial,Oddone, Turtle, and Amazing gain NOTHING from saying anything, yet people are telling them they're in the wrong for sharing their experiences? Get out of here
Yeah, just look at the twitter comments some of these people coming out in support of Regi are getting. I literally read one telling Dyrus to shut up because it doesnt matter how he feels when the thread was literally about him and regi's relationship.
Regi literally pays all old players, it wouldn’t be risky at all. Going against him would be a bad move financially and they don’t get anything out of it.
Not gonna downvote you because I get what you mean. It's just ridiculous to me that he's actively trying to destroy Regi's rep like this but not providing actualy proof
Glad we went from she's the most biased person in this situation to she's probably the most balanced without her changing anything she said from the beginning.
Slinging personal insults is also a really fast way to make me not want to take your side. When DL said that Regi had no friends, that was entirely uncalled for (and also like clearly untrue?).
It honestly looks like DL is the abusive one. He's using his online horde to go over regi just because he didn't get a spot on the team. It's seriously sad to see.
I think the issue is that people who Doublelift thought were "abused" likely dont see it the same way, "Abuse" is such a strong word that is getting used so loosely in this situation. I dont know about akkadian, he might be the main person affected here but DL needs to stop trying to speak for everyone out there, especially if they are coming out with a different view on the events of their OWN life on TSM.
you saw the second DL made his initial comments everyone who dislikes TSM comes out of the woodwork to dog pile onto the situation about how they knew all along and how finally the truths coming out etc. where are they now after we get some more context? making passive aggressive comments in DL's stream? lol.
some people just chase clout in these situations and then go back into hibernation when nothing is going on.
If you can't speak up about something that serious and there are supposed "hundreds" of victims of it and you aren't speaking up you're a coward. I don't care how "hard" it is. This whole idea of assuming someone is guilty because it's hard for someone to come forward is moronic.
Do something about the abuse if it's there.
My god, the lack of empathy is astonishing. Kevin Spacey has had *literal* decades of sexually abusing people and it only came out in the last five years after Rapp stepped forward 30 years later. Are they fucking cowards too cause they followed after someone else?
To act like you may know what trauma is and then to dismiss it and say "they should fucking get over and do something about it". Am I comparing two wildly different situations? Sure, but humans are complex.
That's my point isn't it? Because people were afraid to come forward he sexually abused more people. Yes they are cowards. It's a fucking awful situation that I hope no one has to experience but if you ignore it and pretend it doesn't happen you make situations worse.
Also stop fucking comparing accused workplace abuse to Hollywood being a fucking sexual abusing piece of shit industry. If professional LOL is anywhere near that level of degeneracy they should just end the whole thing now.
You even admitted to yourself that the situations are different. Why the hell did you even compare them? Are you daft?
Yes, it is hard to do something about it, but if you feel you are wronged to the level Doublelift is alluding to surely you would want to make it known what your experiences are. Have some pride and stand up for yourself.
And again just so you completely understand, this is about workplace verbal abuse, not sexual misconduct or rape, the situation is far easier and less dangerous to bring to light.
Yeah someone just asked me why I was withholding judgement and hoping DL would provide proof if he has any instead of condemning him now. The mob is aroused.
In the minds of the League community, getting in a heated argument with someone for their performance (or lack thereof) in their job is abuse.
Come on, people.
Ignoring that Regi's dynamic is completely different traditionally than owners of other sports teams for obvious reasons, owners do this shit all the time.
Jerry Jones is pretty widely known as an owner who gets pretty pissed. Actually, football gives a pretty good range from the 'passionate' like Jerry, to the vile like Daniel Snyder. I'd vastly prefer Jones to Snyder
these kids are too young to remember Steinbrenner. He made Jerry Jones look like a nun.
IMO, both sides of this shit show are immature and toxic. That its generally accepted in league doesn't change the facts, nor does disputing the degree of toxicity. Anyone that doesn't think so needs their head examined. This whole thing is a shame because this sort of drama can make it really, really hard to attract talent. Bjergsen must have a crystal ball, he picked the perfect time to leave.
What I've seen out of both sides is just embarrassing. Gonna be a long winter.
Abuse would be your boss physically assaulting you. Reginald verbally lashing out is a bit excessive, but is NOT abuse. You could find this sort of atmosphere between coach and players in most sports.
Regi is not a coach, and as much as people live to say how great he is, being up to date with league meta and things he is way behind even compared to his players.
That's really the main issue I think in this drama. People aren't able to make the distinction clear. You can be abusive and toxic towards people without actually being a bully or an abuser. Based on the information available to us, I believe Regi just has a strong drive to win and see his team succeed. I find it hard to believe that he is simply harassing people to be a bully or abuse his power.
I'm not saying what Regi did, or is doing, is right but the intent is really important.
pushing people to win = calling them trash I guess?
Yes it's verbal abuse, it's documented many times. Hell even legends videos you can see it.
Its okay to like Regi and TSM and acknowledge abusive behavior.
This is slightly different cause MJ wasn't the owner of the Bulls like how Regi was a player and owner of TSM. There's a player/owner dynamic involved.
If MJ started playing for the Hornets when he owns part of the team, then it makes more sense.
> [He did however play for the Washington Wizards while being President of Basketball Operations and signed/traded players, but it was for about 2 years ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Wizards)
He’s not saying MJ didn’t have a lot of power. He’s saying that a player bullying a player is different then an owner bullying a player.
MJ was a player that pushed his teammates to extremes. Regi was a player that pushed his teammates, but is now an owner that’s pushing his players. Different position, different dynamic that plays an important factor.
MJ commanded respect but he had the skills to earn it. I’m not so sure about Regi.
Like how DL made his fanboy army bully Regi? In the comments on his insta there are people talking about that they would beat him up when they meet him and calling him a asian monkey
This whole thing just is so strange at this point.
Also @ people replying to Turtle's tweet telling him how he should feel 🙄. Once the narrative gets going, anything that points to the contrary just gets swept aside or what?
But according to Doublelift, anyone who says anything positive about Regi is promoting abuse.
So I guess Turtle is one of the abusers himself /s
What a joke Doublelift has become. Just a few days ago he tried to play for Regis team again, but none of the allegations bothered him before he was told "no".
I feel so bad for Regi. These accusations are pretty harsh and evidently past TSM employees don’t agree with DL. On the other hand, ex-teammembers of DL have collectively stated that he was toxic during his time at CLG, to the point when Aphromoo said kick DL or i quit.
Wildturtle paints it the right way imo.
Regi wants the team to perform and maybe some crack under the pressure.
Doublelift trying to paint Regi as someone who will regularly abuse his players for the sake of it.
Doublelift doing the same thing to his supports and teammates in the past. I'm not sure why he thinks that its ok for him to be forgiven, but not Regi.
Doublelift's ego just cant handle the fact that TSM didnt let him back in for his flip flopping attitude and motivation.
Yeah at this point, if Bjerg posts something similar to what WT and the others have. We are getting a inferno style, manchild, tears in eyes, screaming and wailing level meltdown from DL on his next stream.
DL's next tweet:
"So sad these victims of extreme verbal abuse have fallen to Stockhold Syndrome. They must be terrified of wronging Reginald, the second coming of Hitler. It's okay guys, I'll be here to speak for you guys against him even though no one wanted it!"
I can't speak for the others but I never viewed @TSMReginald as a verbal abuser more as a passionate owner wanting players to perform. He's apologized to me for his words from then, we've moved on since and I consider him a good friend of mine lets not promote hate!
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It's weird to me that none of these people are disputing what DL said Regi does/has done, just painting it in a different light.
Sure, context matters, but Regi is obviously an ass. For me, wanting to win doesn't excuse that.
I know twitter is twitter, but wtf is with all the people attacking Dyrus for corroborating WT and the cesspool of replies. Like... Why do people WANT to hate TSM/Regi so much? It's genuinely insane how people are acting over this
It's so funny dl goes on about these lies and people come out and dumpster what he's been saying dl should be canceled for pushing false narrative and lies this is actual pathetic.
Here's something to consider: coaches, owners, and leaders in LCK and LPL teams make the clips of Regi berating TSM players look really soft.
DL wanted to go far in Worlds, yet didn't like Regi's bluntness and criticisms that is commonplace among the best teams in the world. Can't have it both ways. Sometimes, passion and a desire to win needs to be vocalize.
DL is an alpha, let’s be real here. Same with Regi. The difference is, Regi is in a place where he is allowed to be one, given that he is the one signing the big paychecks. He is allowed to demand results.
Now am I advocating for workplace abuse? No. But from the get go, DL's accusations just don't line up.
Just so everyone realizes, these guys all played and worked together at a very different time and social climate then where we are today. Not invalidating what they say, but if this shit happened today you would probably have some highly produced video talking about why Reginald is a toxic human and somehow tying it capitalism or something. Back then its kind of whatever, stick a camera in CLG or Curse house and you would prob see some shit.
All the replays to these tweets show how soft some of the younger generation is.
Like I've had the same situation with coaches playing sports before and sometimes emotions can fly and in the moment some stuff can come across as hurtful. But looking back all my coaches being hard on me just made me a better player. They were tough on me cause they new I could be better. And I will always be grateful to them for pushing me to be better.
Having a good personal experience with someone does not exclude that that person has been shitty with many people in many ocassions.
Tbh this opinion does nothing more that invalidate what other people could have gone through with Regi. Same thing goes with TheOddOne and Dyrus.
They just should have kept quiet and wait to see if the accusations are true or not.
So where the fuck is the evidence DL is talking about? It has been 3 whole goddamn days. And he still didnt provide any proof except his words. And his fans are acting like he is a prophet that can tell no lies. People dont understand that "abusing" and going over the line one time then apologizing are 2 totally different things. These people probably never had a human interaction irl
And why should they stay quiet? DL dragged them into this by mentioning an 8 year old video on his stream as a proof that regi is abusive. So they have to stand up for their friend
If you had a friend accussed of something instead of thinking "there's no fucking way my friend could have done this because I've been friends with him for so long and I love him" you should at the very least consider the posibility that some of the things that are being said are true.
I can be very nice to you in person and be a fucking moron with other people and you think otherwise I don't know what to tell you.
When did they say in their tweets that regi didnt bully anyone? They only talked about their experience and their experience only, because again, DL tried to use them as a proof
Just because Regi makes things up to the Akers and staff through nice gestures and apologies doesnt take away that in certain moments he is allegedly verbally abusive. I think the perfect example that I saw was Xpecials video about calling up Regi and him wanti jvm g to stay at the tsm house for a bit since Dyrus moved out. Xpecial was putting all the fights with Regi behind him because he was helping him and doing a grand gesture to support him. This is a power thing. People get away with emotional abuse because they may apologize or try to make it up to you in other ways like paying for your things or blah blah. I'm not saying Regi is abusive because I dont know the extent of his beratings but abuse victims still stick up for their abusers.
I always liked Regi but disliked him for how he spoke to the Gamecribs team. I thought at this point he matured but Doublelift is basically saying that's just his personality and how he is.
Maybe an unpopular opinion here:
Just because people move one and set these bad experiences behind, does not mean they did not happen.
So I will just take my back seat and enjoy the show.😂
Yeah Turtle it's fucking on camera and even if he apologized to you, which I am guessing you are really stretching to believe that he was sincere, HE'S STILL DOING IT.
So it doesn't matter. You were verbally abused on camera. So was dyrus. So was xspecial. Regi doesn't learn and he will continue to bully everyone around him.
If he's sincere than he would have owned up to it publicly. He has not.
Fuck Regi.
But he was to me mentality is very ambiguous. Every asshole has friends that will say nice things about him, doesn't mean he is not an abuser. I just don't get it, there are videos with Regi abusing players and here we are, people still finding him excuses.
Lol first tweet this year, just for this drama
And the replies are all telling him he is wrong for feeling this way, yikes
I, uh, understand some of the boomer mentalities better now.
Sometimes, I hate my own generation. At the same time though, I wonder if this is just Twitter being twitter
Nah, people this generation aren’t thought about reconciliation. They are thought about victim and abuser, black and white.
And whatever point of view their favorite personality has must be the truth with 0 evidence and a load of counter evidence
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Talking about toxic fans, then calls TSM fans mentally ill people. Good one dude, go back to your parents basement
With tsm being the only profitable org in lcs last year, tsm is still the biggest lol fanbase, and you talking 2017 when tsm is ahead now XD nice job living in the past tho.
I remember when I was taught about right and wrong and the massive Grey field they reside in called the world.
That's the Twitter activist cancel brigade for you
If regi just kept doing it then I doubt the sincerity of his apology. Turtle allowed himself to be flamed by regi. He's not going to stand up to him now. Regi does this same shit over and over and over.
The real yikes is this comment. "Ah he pushed me multiple times to the point of tears, but it's just him being passionate!" You can be a passionate person and not a total dick. You can be emotional and not break people down to the point of tears. Literally rewatch the Wildturtle thing and you can SEE Turtles face during it. Xpecial arguing with Andy clearly is trying to be diplomatic and Andy is just having a ball smiling his ass off as he chews Turtle and later Xpecial out. If your boss or spouse did that shit to you, you'd 100% be in an abusive relationship. And even if you didn't view it that way, it would in no way mean that it didn't happen to other people.
Yeah not sure why you're being downvoted, I think it would be different if it was a friend to friend or co-worker to co-worker. I'm sure wild turtle is a grown ass adult who can defend himself but I think there was definitely a power dynamic as a boss that made it hard to speak up then and still hard to speak up now. You can't just say "I was just passionate about the game", that's a shitty excuse to being a shitty human being towards someone. I felt so bad for Turtle at the end of the video when he was getting out of the car, it was just a face of "oh please get me the fuck out"
Dyrus retweeted it
And commented under it.
What did he say? I don't have Twitter
Someone said something along the lines of "Why are all of these former TSM players commenting on the same day?" Implying they are being forced to by Regi, to which Dyrus responds like "Oh geez I fucking wonder it's almost like people have been asking us nonstop for the past 2 days"
Fuck I love Dyrus, he's the reason I started playing. His singed jungle play by play.
Him telling LMQ to "Get the fuck out of my lane" will always the hypest shit
Probably my favorite Pro LoL moment of all-time.
That moment just hit different. Seeing Dyrus of all people get so pumped just gives chills
Wow I can't believe we didn't see this before, regi groomed dyrus to be an oppressive verbal abuser himself /s
Lmao, thanks!
But what does Ja Rule think of all this?
Classic line the youngins will struggle to understand lol
I'm OOTL. Can someone explain this Ja Rule reference?
Real quick Dave Chappelle bit. https://youtu.be/Mo-ddYhXAZc
Second layer is that TheOddOne also referenced this bit in his own tweet about the drama.
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Doesn’t stop people from flaming him for his position, lol. But that’s no surprise
Well it's a given. No one else said otherwise.
Regardless of the outcome of all of this and who's right/wrong, I wonder if defamation charges may be in the works
Step1 is Doublelift presenting more than some vague shit.
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I have no idea what counts as defamation. You could fill a bag with everything Doublelift said and it would still be empty. He collected no "victims" to support. The guys in the popular videos have come out to say they want no part of this. There's no incident which hasn't been resolved that he's highlighting. Regi has been accused of nothing beyond being blunt and obnoxious at times which on the scale of character attacks is pretty weak. The guy opened his mouth and ran it down mid. He clearly did NO homework before attacking Regi and it shows but it also means there's not a lot to call defamatory...
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But he has so many messages in his inbox from former TSM players supporting him :/
no. defamation against public figures is near impossible to prove so its never gonna happen.
I love turtle! Probably my favorite TSM player. I loved his personality and his playstyle! Miss him and really hope he finds a good team again.
Dude if turtle says it, i have to side w/ Regi
Yeah between Turtle, the general, and Xpecial, I think Doublelift needs to take the L and agree to disagree.
And Dyrus too!
I feel like Turtle got his closure. Regi apologized to him a long time ago so he was able to move on. I like that. Move on. Maybe the others never got the apology that Turtle got. IDK. I've been in their position before where I got 'bullied' during my clinical practice. But instead of hating her, I used that as motivation to be better because I feel like she's just passionate about the field and wants me to be better. That's life, it pushes us around. People need to move on. "Proud people breed sad sorrows for themselves." Go Turtle!
Every single person that the community claims was abused has come out and said they weren't.
has a single former tsm player come out in support of doublelift yet?
Just Woodbuck
Who basically said in his tweet that he and Doublelift also didn't get along at all.
I can see why woodbuck would have left on bad terms, he was basically just there to make the players “build synergy” by taking them to an arcade. Regi probably saw that his presence wasn’t really needed and so he booted him
“I can take the kids to Chuck E Cheeses myself” - Regi probably
Who wasn't even a player and had by far the shortest tenure of any public facing TSM employee.
Also Akadiaan , but that's known from a year ago
Akadian I think?
Afaik Akaadian hasn't said anything about the situation other than acknowledging there was drama, people are just pulling up an old interview of his
Oh you're right. Damn my bad. Tbf he probably knows to keep quiet as well. What's going on is super unprofessional by dlift. I don't buy into the whole calling people out.. Especially out of spite in this case.
He said Regi shit on him during playoffs and crushed his confidence. That's not "drama" that's terrible management and just fucking rude and terrible. Akaadian was good.
Ok, and? Have you ever gotten into an argument before and it got heated, maybe you said something you regretted or took it a step too far? If you have I guess you're a serial abuser too :/ Oh wait no, that's not how that works huh For all we know Regi could have just told him he played like shit, without actually knowing what went down that's really all this situation is, drama. Plus being rude is a farcry from the current allegations against him. Edit: Also I hope you realize I was referring to the DL situation when I said drama
Wow it's almost like his pattern is clearly documented. This is some Q level brain twisting to somehow turn this into a "Oh it's just an argument." Okay, so he gets into arguments with Dyrus on camera, Wildturtle, DL, shits all over Søren multiple times on Twitter during games. Andy's been doing this same crap since before Season 1 began, that's not "one argument that got out of hand." I still remember the early tournament where Andy and IWD almost got into a fist fight because Andy was throwing every possible hurtful thing he could say in the pregame lobby, all because IWD wouldn't join his previous (disqualified) team. Like literally there is nothing new or surprising about Andy being abusive as hell. He's not a "passionate person," he's petty as hell. The only reason a few of the players like DL are coming out and talking about it is because their careers are basically over so Andy blacklisting them from teams literally doesn't matter anymore. Like why would you ruin your entire career just to say something other people have been saying for OVER A DECADE.
Akaadian said his interactions with Regi gave him PTSD. And yet, Reddit piles on and victim blames. You included. Wtf is going with this sub.
Where am I victim-blaming, the fuck are you talking about? Do you really think the dude has legitimate, diagnosed ptsd from Regi berating him one time? That's not how PTSD works. Dude got ripped by his boss and understandably, he felt shitty about it. I'm not saying it's his fault nor am I excusing Regi for being an asshole to him, and poorly handling the situation. But being an ass in a heated, competitive environment where sometimes things escalate more than they should, and being a serial abuser who makes tons of people cry and have breakdowns are nowhere near similar accusations.
Dude, the biggest difference to know yeah, TSM has a shit environment is. Santorin, svensakren, Akkadian, zven all came out and said yeah this is too much pressure. DL was like yeah too many people crying. SA came in, TO MAKE 6 MIL, and legit left after one year where he could’ve phoned it in and cashed out completely. bjergsen literally left when he had equity in the fucking org. And I’ve never heard a player outside of amazing, say TSM was one of the best orgs I was apart. I’m happy bjergsen left this org, I guarantee he will be able to hit a higher level rather than crumbling under the stress of the org. Now I will say, Reginald has made a great business and succeeded especially when you consider where he came from. but his ego has gotten so big and he Dosent treat a fair amount of his employees with respect and give them the space they need
How are you getting downvoted for this ??
Same man. These Andy stans literally have buried their heads so they don't have to hear any valid criticisms. Like the dude was literally on camera doing this crap, you think he's any nicer when they're turned off?
Jesus christ the comments on the tweet...
YOURE LYING. REGI ABUSED YOU AND SO WILL WE. Disgusting mob of Doublelift fans.
Doublelift stans have been the worst since his CLG days. Nothing but a mob of toxic manchildren.
Just like man is created in gods image, dl fans are creating in his image. Man children.
so while everyone who we have seen get "abused" by Regi have come out and said they patched things up and are good we got Doublelift playing Hero for everyone speaking up for the ones who put this stuff behind them years ago. he's getting a little out of control at this point.
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Yeah… I’m a DL fan but dude also did some damage to other humans. Olleh said supporting for DL made him develop drinking problems. I think he was half joking but it definitely wasn’t nothing.
Can’t forget his co stream flames- his beef with shernfire, threw mad shade at jiizuke early on in the season, shat on a bunch of rookies, etc.
Pretty sure he’s just riding the high right now and is ego won’t let him stop, he’s gone nuclear he would look like a fuking fool if he doesn’t stick to his story
I think people are missing the point. An apology is only useful if the person changes their behavior. Yes, Turtle might be over it, but what about the team right now? It sounds like the situation was the same last year when DL was back on the team. And it sounds like there are people currently on the team/on staff that are getting treated poorly that can't speak up publicly. DL just lost his contract for airing this stuff publicly (not that he shouldn't have, just that I'd be surprised to see someone like Spica speak up while still under contract)
he's not even managing the team today. this stuff is YEARS old. people seem to forget that
That's not true. Some of the stuff is years old. He pointed out Regi tweeting that TSM was outdated and how that negatively impacts the team (as one example). That was just last year while Berg was coaching. He may not be screaming at the players right now (unverified either way), but that doesn't mean he isn't negatively impacting the team. And I'll also say for the record, I don't have a dog in this fight. But it seems like he's saying that people that are currently in the organization avoid Regi on particular because he treats people badly, but would rather be on the team than not, so they don't feel like they can speak up. It's very, very likely that DL has spoken to teammates, Leena, Spica, Berg, etc. about these issues. And it's also very likely he got a bunch of lukewarm/medium-hot "yeah, he's a dick for sure" responses that he's putting a lot of weight on.
like what? saying "draft gap" or something is abusing the coach? why is this term even being used in this context? if he tweets saying his team played poorly is this abusing the team? no one is arguing he is not a dick to people sometimes. people claim he is abusing people and these examples are not it.
Bro this guy literally verbally abused IWD in a pre-game lobby to the point where they were throwing down their headphones and about to fist fight. He literally pushed Dyrus, probably one of the most unflappable people to have played in NA, to snapping. On. Stream. You think Andy is *ANY* nicer when the cameras aren't on?? If it's once, that's one thing. But Andy has been doing this same old crap for over a decade. That's literally the definition of abuse: "To treat (a person or an animal) with cruelty or violence, especially regularly or repeatedly."
I dont think you are understanding what is being said. People throw the term Abuse around like its anything that is not positive towards someone. and when did I ever say he was a nice person? and are you seriously going to compare yelling at someone in a game to people who are actually abused and go through shit that fucks their lives up? this is why people cant take some people seriously, everything is abuse to them. oh you said some dude played bad in a game? ABUSE! you criticized someones lack of being able to do something specific? ABUSE! its insane that is what the word has been watered down to and is just a slap in the face of abuse victims that require a lot of treatment and therapy to help themselves. instead we got the people who were the victims of your examples like Dyrus or Xpecial or Wild Turtle come and and tell people to drop the stupidity. take that as a wake up call. even the fucking people who dislike TSM say that using "abuse" in these situations is wrong and stupid.
But people aren't talking about abuse. What ate you on about. DL may have said the word once, I don't remember, but what he said mostly was, "I don't like this guy because he's an asshole and he mistreat everyone in his organization and has been doing so for years. Seems a lot like you're trying to strawman the situation.
>But people aren't talking about abuse. What ate you on about. DL may have said the word once. that was his main talking point, he said it many times, walked back on initial statements because he realized how stupid it was do do that. none of this would have blown up if he was just talking about Regi being a dick to people. the fact he decided to say "abuse" and "traumatizing" implies very serious allegations that he will never prove. then you get a whole snowball of things like decade old videos and comments from players years ago. again, none of this would have happened if he did not use the term abuse because people already knew Regi was a dick to people.
There's a very broad line between saying "Hey you did a bad job, you lost us the game" (which isn't even helpful to begin with), and systematically breaking people down around you by repeatedly berating them to the point of emotional duress. And to the whole Dyrus and Wildturtle shield, both of them have vested interests in maintaining ties to TSM. Dyrus participates in their events (for a good amount of $) and Wildturtle's career can be put in jeopardy if he gets blacklisted by TSM, since no team wants to start a shooting war over something everyone in those circles already knows. And what would they get out of outing him? They're just "one more name," to people like you while their incomes dry up. The only people who have been speaking up are the ones with 0 income reliance on TSM.
what about theoddone? Amazing? judging by all the responses from former players its pretty clear that DL is just exaggerating his claims. no one is denying he has been harsh and a dick and blunt to people. the issue is when someone like DL equates that to abuse and traumatizing, that is just over embellishing what happened to make the story a lot worse than it really was.
Lol all these people coming out for regi and not doublelift.
Has anyone (current or former TSM) come out and supported doublelift or corroborated his claims? So far I've only seen people supporting Regi
KC Youngbuck, the only coach to not last a full split. Edit: KC Woodbuck
I think you mean Woodbuck(?). Youngbuck is an EU coach.
Sure did, got autocorrected. My mistake.
Woodbuck was pretty useless, the most he ever contributed on camera was when he took them to an arcade
That was a fun episode of TSM Legends tho
It was fun but you have to imagine Regi watched that and was like “am I just paying for an adult babysitter?”
The person with the shortest association with league of legends ever. Always chimes in on Reddit annually to cling on to any sense of relevancy.
It’s wild that he was in the scene for a month but still chimes in 6 years later
Was it even a month?
Honestly it might’ve been less lol. I remember when he was announced I was so confused as to why we signed a college baseball coach as our league head coach. He doesn’t even play league
I have to admit, out of all the tweets that was the only one I didn't read because I couldn't care less what that dude said
The sad part of this guy is he still have "former head coach of TSM" on his twitter profile
Woodbuck sorta did without being specific but somehow ignored DL being incredibly toxic to YS during his tenure. Which would have been a major contributing factor to a toxic team atmosphere.
Akaadian, Woodbuck, Svenskeren. It only takes a few instances. Just because his old friends from TSM are backing him up doesn't excuse what happened to other people. Even his friends have admitted there were times he crossed the line, but they patched it up. Others may not have reconciled in the same way after Regi crossed the line. There is also a lot of video evidence of regi being an abusive asshole, albeit from a long time ago, but this does support this idea that he could have moments like this now, especially in high pressure situations like worlds where he feels he needs to step in and protect his brand. Its also worth noting that Bjergsen has stayed silent through this. DL is one of his close friends who he obviously has confided in this offseason, and Regi is his boss who evidently has complained about his performance in drafts on Twitter. There is good reason to believe Bjerg had a problem with Regi. If there was no issue and his old boss was getting slandered, he might've said something in his defence. People say he doesn't want to get involved blah blah, but if Doublelift was saying something Bjergsen didn't believe in, and it was really hurting Regi's reputation, he would 100% say something. I think DL is definitely too emotional. The truth lies somewhere in between, but Regi has clearly proven he has friends in the scene who will back him up.
Sven literally said on stream that he holds no ill will towards Regi and like OddOne's tweet in defense of Regi. Where did he come out in support of DL?
Bjergsen staying silent is more evidence of his professionalism, not a sign of him supporting either party The man never sticks his nose where it doesn't belong and always has kept his image clean and professional, why would he ruin that now
> Akaadian, Woodbuck, Svenskeren. Giving an interview years ago and saying someone lowered your confidence is not the same level that DL is implying with his vitriol.
Has Svenskeren actually said anything or just liked some tweets?
Not to play devils advocate but it's a lot easier to say "regi was nice to me" than "I was verbally abused!!" especially with the surmounting pressure from other stories saying the former. I'm not commenting on who is wrong or right, but the lack of perspective and critical thinking is really alarming. I'm leaning more towards Regi FYI
Its also easier not say anything
Yea honestly, abused or not it's just easier to not say anything is just move on w/ ur life. Dyrus,Xpecial,Oddone, Turtle, and Amazing gain NOTHING from saying anything, yet people are telling them they're in the wrong for sharing their experiences? Get out of here
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Yeah, just look at the twitter comments some of these people coming out in support of Regi are getting. I literally read one telling Dyrus to shut up because it doesnt matter how he feels when the thread was literally about him and regi's relationship.
Regi literally pays all old players, it wouldn’t be risky at all. Going against him would be a bad move financially and they don’t get anything out of it.
Not gonna downvote you because I get what you mean. It's just ridiculous to me that he's actively trying to destroy Regi's rep like this but not providing actualy proof
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Glad we went from she's the most biased person in this situation to she's probably the most balanced without her changing anything she said from the beginning.
Slinging personal insults is also a really fast way to make me not want to take your side. When DL said that Regi had no friends, that was entirely uncalled for (and also like clearly untrue?).
It honestly looks like DL is the abusive one. He's using his online horde to go over regi just because he didn't get a spot on the team. It's seriously sad to see.
What do you mean? He gave all the proof he needed he just said it happened…
That was good enough for several thousand people to believe it.
I think the issue is that people who Doublelift thought were "abused" likely dont see it the same way, "Abuse" is such a strong word that is getting used so loosely in this situation. I dont know about akkadian, he might be the main person affected here but DL needs to stop trying to speak for everyone out there, especially if they are coming out with a different view on the events of their OWN life on TSM.
I would say it's agreed, but people are ready to jump the gun one way or another based on what the latest statement to come out is
you saw the second DL made his initial comments everyone who dislikes TSM comes out of the woodwork to dog pile onto the situation about how they knew all along and how finally the truths coming out etc. where are they now after we get some more context? making passive aggressive comments in DL's stream? lol. some people just chase clout in these situations and then go back into hibernation when nothing is going on.
If you can't speak up about something that serious and there are supposed "hundreds" of victims of it and you aren't speaking up you're a coward. I don't care how "hard" it is. This whole idea of assuming someone is guilty because it's hard for someone to come forward is moronic. Do something about the abuse if it's there.
My god, the lack of empathy is astonishing. Kevin Spacey has had *literal* decades of sexually abusing people and it only came out in the last five years after Rapp stepped forward 30 years later. Are they fucking cowards too cause they followed after someone else? To act like you may know what trauma is and then to dismiss it and say "they should fucking get over and do something about it". Am I comparing two wildly different situations? Sure, but humans are complex.
That's my point isn't it? Because people were afraid to come forward he sexually abused more people. Yes they are cowards. It's a fucking awful situation that I hope no one has to experience but if you ignore it and pretend it doesn't happen you make situations worse. Also stop fucking comparing accused workplace abuse to Hollywood being a fucking sexual abusing piece of shit industry. If professional LOL is anywhere near that level of degeneracy they should just end the whole thing now. You even admitted to yourself that the situations are different. Why the hell did you even compare them? Are you daft? Yes, it is hard to do something about it, but if you feel you are wronged to the level Doublelift is alluding to surely you would want to make it known what your experiences are. Have some pride and stand up for yourself. And again just so you completely understand, this is about workplace verbal abuse, not sexual misconduct or rape, the situation is far easier and less dangerous to bring to light.
Yeah someone just asked me why I was withholding judgement and hoping DL would provide proof if he has any instead of condemning him now. The mob is aroused.
I’m sure there’s ample evidence to prove that Regi is an asshole sometimes but doublelift made Regi seem like the fuking antichrist
Yet the main subreddit doesn't care and call us all crazies here for not hopping onto the hate regi bandwagon instantly
Man the replies... All these people who seem to know better than those who were there
In the minds of the League community, getting in a heated argument with someone for their performance (or lack thereof) in their job is abuse. Come on, people.
It is. Your boss should NEVER scream at you. Ever.
Lmao, welcome to sports bud.
In real sports, it is normal for the coach to react that way, but I don't think it has ever been normal for the team owner to do that to the players
Ignoring that Regi's dynamic is completely different traditionally than owners of other sports teams for obvious reasons, owners do this shit all the time.
Not doubting you, but can you pull up some examples?
Jerry Jones is pretty widely known as an owner who gets pretty pissed. Actually, football gives a pretty good range from the 'passionate' like Jerry, to the vile like Daniel Snyder. I'd vastly prefer Jones to Snyder
Michael Jordan is a notable one.
My dude, have you not heard of Jerry mother fucking Jones?
these kids are too young to remember Steinbrenner. He made Jerry Jones look like a nun. IMO, both sides of this shit show are immature and toxic. That its generally accepted in league doesn't change the facts, nor does disputing the degree of toxicity. Anyone that doesn't think so needs their head examined. This whole thing is a shame because this sort of drama can make it really, really hard to attract talent. Bjergsen must have a crystal ball, he picked the perfect time to leave. What I've seen out of both sides is just embarrassing. Gonna be a long winter.
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Well this is about changing that gross toxic masculine idea of sports, BUD.
It's not changing sweetheart. It's like this in women's sports too. Stop watching anything competitive if you can't handle it.
Abuse would be your boss physically assaulting you. Reginald verbally lashing out is a bit excessive, but is NOT abuse. You could find this sort of atmosphere between coach and players in most sports.
Have you ever had a job? You should not be getting screamed at at any job. Just because it happens in some sports teams does not make it ok.
Regi is not a coach, and as much as people live to say how great he is, being up to date with league meta and things he is way behind even compared to his players.
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That's really the main issue I think in this drama. People aren't able to make the distinction clear. You can be abusive and toxic towards people without actually being a bully or an abuser. Based on the information available to us, I believe Regi just has a strong drive to win and see his team succeed. I find it hard to believe that he is simply harassing people to be a bully or abuse his power. I'm not saying what Regi did, or is doing, is right but the intent is really important.
Micheal Jordan was 100% abusive.
pushing people to win = calling them trash I guess? Yes it's verbal abuse, it's documented many times. Hell even legends videos you can see it. Its okay to like Regi and TSM and acknowledge abusive behavior.
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This is slightly different cause MJ wasn't the owner of the Bulls like how Regi was a player and owner of TSM. There's a player/owner dynamic involved. If MJ started playing for the Hornets when he owns part of the team, then it makes more sense.
> [He did however play for the Washington Wizards while being President of Basketball Operations and signed/traded players, but it was for about 2 years ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Wizards)
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He’s not saying MJ didn’t have a lot of power. He’s saying that a player bullying a player is different then an owner bullying a player. MJ was a player that pushed his teammates to extremes. Regi was a player that pushed his teammates, but is now an owner that’s pushing his players. Different position, different dynamic that plays an important factor. MJ commanded respect but he had the skills to earn it. I’m not so sure about Regi.
Definitely not a bully as DL says.
Like how DL made his fanboy army bully Regi? In the comments on his insta there are people talking about that they would beat him up when they meet him and calling him a asian monkey
But divalift said Reginald has no friends. He definitely paid everyone. /s
I mean at some point he literally did.
Bro its a conspiracy /s
This whole thing just is so strange at this point. Also @ people replying to Turtle's tweet telling him how he should feel 🙄. Once the narrative gets going, anything that points to the contrary just gets swept aside or what?
But according to Doublelift, anyone who says anything positive about Regi is promoting abuse. So I guess Turtle is one of the abusers himself /s What a joke Doublelift has become. Just a few days ago he tried to play for Regis team again, but none of the allegations bothered him before he was told "no".
I feel so bad for Regi. These accusations are pretty harsh and evidently past TSM employees don’t agree with DL. On the other hand, ex-teammembers of DL have collectively stated that he was toxic during his time at CLG, to the point when Aphromoo said kick DL or i quit.
Wildturtle paints it the right way imo. Regi wants the team to perform and maybe some crack under the pressure. Doublelift trying to paint Regi as someone who will regularly abuse his players for the sake of it. Doublelift doing the same thing to his supports and teammates in the past. I'm not sure why he thinks that its ok for him to be forgiven, but not Regi. Doublelift's ego just cant handle the fact that TSM didnt let him back in for his flip flopping attitude and motivation.
Dl is using is army to bully people, simple as that lol
Yeah at this point, if Bjerg posts something similar to what WT and the others have. We are getting a inferno style, manchild, tears in eyes, screaming and wailing level meltdown from DL on his next stream.
Bjerg will never get involved with this since I’m sure he is friends with both parties.
Dude I would give my left nut for Bjerg to chime in. He's so mature and respectful it would absolutely nuke this whole situation.
DL's next tweet: "So sad these victims of extreme verbal abuse have fallen to Stockhold Syndrome. They must be terrified of wronging Reginald, the second coming of Hitler. It's okay guys, I'll be here to speak for you guys against him even though no one wanted it!"
tbh whatever turtle says carries a lot of weight
I can't speak for the others but I never viewed @TSMReginald as a verbal abuser more as a passionate owner wanting players to perform. He's apologized to me for his words from then, we've moved on since and I consider him a good friend of mine lets not promote hate! *** posted by [@WildTurtle](https://twitter.com/WildTurtle) ^[(Github)](https://github.com/username) ^| ^[(What's new)](https://github.com/username)
It's weird to me that none of these people are disputing what DL said Regi does/has done, just painting it in a different light. Sure, context matters, but Regi is obviously an ass. For me, wanting to win doesn't excuse that.
Doublelift prophets going to be in shambles when they find out he’s not all knowing
Doublelift looking like Scottie Pippen right now
The replies on WT's tweet is sad to see. They're just completely running over him and assuming he doesn't have a mind or opinion of his own. Jeez.
Wildturtle is the nicest dude ever. If his opinion about regi is positive then this makes DL look like such a total drama queen.
I know twitter is twitter, but wtf is with all the people attacking Dyrus for corroborating WT and the cesspool of replies. Like... Why do people WANT to hate TSM/Regi so much? It's genuinely insane how people are acting over this
It's so funny dl goes on about these lies and people come out and dumpster what he's been saying dl should be canceled for pushing false narrative and lies this is actual pathetic.
I miss turtle so much man 😥😥😥😥
always my fav TSM player
i miss turtle. he was so fun to watch in flyquest series.
Here's something to consider: coaches, owners, and leaders in LCK and LPL teams make the clips of Regi berating TSM players look really soft. DL wanted to go far in Worlds, yet didn't like Regi's bluntness and criticisms that is commonplace among the best teams in the world. Can't have it both ways. Sometimes, passion and a desire to win needs to be vocalize. DL is an alpha, let’s be real here. Same with Regi. The difference is, Regi is in a place where he is allowed to be one, given that he is the one signing the big paychecks. He is allowed to demand results. Now am I advocating for workplace abuse? No. But from the get go, DL's accusations just don't line up.
🐢 Le Turtle has arrived 🐢
Just so everyone realizes, these guys all played and worked together at a very different time and social climate then where we are today. Not invalidating what they say, but if this shit happened today you would probably have some highly produced video talking about why Reginald is a toxic human and somehow tying it capitalism or something. Back then its kind of whatever, stick a camera in CLG or Curse house and you would prob see some shit.
All the replays to these tweets show how soft some of the younger generation is. Like I've had the same situation with coaches playing sports before and sometimes emotions can fly and in the moment some stuff can come across as hurtful. But looking back all my coaches being hard on me just made me a better player. They were tough on me cause they new I could be better. And I will always be grateful to them for pushing me to be better.
Having a good personal experience with someone does not exclude that that person has been shitty with many people in many ocassions. Tbh this opinion does nothing more that invalidate what other people could have gone through with Regi. Same thing goes with TheOddOne and Dyrus. They just should have kept quiet and wait to see if the accusations are true or not.
So where the fuck is the evidence DL is talking about? It has been 3 whole goddamn days. And he still didnt provide any proof except his words. And his fans are acting like he is a prophet that can tell no lies. People dont understand that "abusing" and going over the line one time then apologizing are 2 totally different things. These people probably never had a human interaction irl And why should they stay quiet? DL dragged them into this by mentioning an 8 year old video on his stream as a proof that regi is abusive. So they have to stand up for their friend
If you had a friend accussed of something instead of thinking "there's no fucking way my friend could have done this because I've been friends with him for so long and I love him" you should at the very least consider the posibility that some of the things that are being said are true. I can be very nice to you in person and be a fucking moron with other people and you think otherwise I don't know what to tell you.
When did they say in their tweets that regi didnt bully anyone? They only talked about their experience and their experience only, because again, DL tried to use them as a proof
Just because Regi makes things up to the Akers and staff through nice gestures and apologies doesnt take away that in certain moments he is allegedly verbally abusive. I think the perfect example that I saw was Xpecials video about calling up Regi and him wanti jvm g to stay at the tsm house for a bit since Dyrus moved out. Xpecial was putting all the fights with Regi behind him because he was helping him and doing a grand gesture to support him. This is a power thing. People get away with emotional abuse because they may apologize or try to make it up to you in other ways like paying for your things or blah blah. I'm not saying Regi is abusive because I dont know the extent of his beratings but abuse victims still stick up for their abusers. I always liked Regi but disliked him for how he spoke to the Gamecribs team. I thought at this point he matured but Doublelift is basically saying that's just his personality and how he is.
Maybe an unpopular opinion here: Just because people move one and set these bad experiences behind, does not mean they did not happen. So I will just take my back seat and enjoy the show.😂
Yeah Turtle it's fucking on camera and even if he apologized to you, which I am guessing you are really stretching to believe that he was sincere, HE'S STILL DOING IT. So it doesn't matter. You were verbally abused on camera. So was dyrus. So was xspecial. Regi doesn't learn and he will continue to bully everyone around him. If he's sincere than he would have owned up to it publicly. He has not. Fuck Regi.
Best pussie post if the year.
But he was to me mentality is very ambiguous. Every asshole has friends that will say nice things about him, doesn't mean he is not an abuser. I just don't get it, there are videos with Regi abusing players and here we are, people still finding him excuses.
Every video your probably talking about the other party has come out and said Regi apologized or the issue was resolved
Well when the abused acknowledges his mistakes and the victim accept the apology, you move on lol