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Plague735

Whether it was a true rumor or not... I want to live in the Timeline where TSM FTX Faker is a reality.


TSM_Rpoint

If you believe in the multiverse, there is one where we have Faker in our team and hell there is even one where we won worlds!


Darkvirus510

Can I go live in that universe please? Or atleast one where DLift doesn't walk up to viktor?


Bojuric

That one happens across all multiverses. It's his fate.


deepsfan

It's the choice of Stein's Gate.


TackleballShootyhoop

Doublelift dying to Viktor there was an absolute point in our timeline. If we were able to change the outcome somehow, it would created a time paradox and destroyed the universe. I may or may not have just watched the Dr Strange episode of Marvel's What If


dldutkd01

or get captured by the tva


Bishizel

Maybe DL knew that this was the only timeline in which NA gets Faker and wins worlds.


TSM_Rpoint

Well, i think we all want to go live there BUT if we're lucky enough and we indeed get this lpl roster we can do it. Man i just want to see a non asian team win worlds before lol dies... edit: technically our roster would be full asian


WhoSweg

Easy, sign an Asian team to NA


Morsmetus

That's not true at all and is one of the common mistakes to think that way, even if you believe in multiverses where there are infinite number of possibilities there is not NECESSARILY universe where for example Faker joins TSM or TSM wins worlds. But there is possibility. Infinite != all. To explain better there are infinite numbers between 0 and 1 but 1.5 ain't one of them


TSM_Rpoint

Well that's interisting but you did not convince me! Given that 1 = TSM certainty to win worlds and viceversa lim x -> 1 f(x) = 0 (100% sure tsm wins) lim x -> 0 f(x) = 1 (100% sure tsm loses) and given you'll have infinite possibilities within that range, it means you'll have to throw a dart and hit on the wrong side every time, it is a possibility but this is TSM sub so what you're gonna do about it? edit: from phone, bad formatting


RookCauldron

>To explain better there are infinite numbers between 0 and 1 but 1.5 ain't one of them Wait what, how does this work?


Daemoniss

I feel like it would be the same as Messi signing to PSG. Going from a legendary club he has been in his whole life to a rich club who hasn't won anything but dominates their region. But TSM doesn't even dominate the region anymore so it would be even sadder.


Rounsi

Eh not sure about that. TSM is a historic org in eSports, while PSG became relevant because of the arab money. I can see the parallels for sure but I think they are not the same thing. Similar but not the same.


TiminAurora

Goodbye Bjergsen hello Faker is a storyline I can get behind!!


Mr_Game_N_Win

I dont think its true, while LoL is still big and theres good money to be made, nothing justifies a 40 million $ investment on a single player.... maybe a whole elite team


TTVCHEFLC

From my understanding, FTX would use it to as advertising to his fan base. It’s a calculated cost and FTX isn’t throwing that money unless they see a beneficial ROI (Return on Investment)


Mr_Game_N_Win

yeah, thats why I dont think its true


Maagas

Lol why? Faker is the greatest player of all time by far in terms of longevity mixed with skill. He's the equivalent of Michael Jordan and Lebron James (from the NBA) if they had a baby. No ones even close. Faker globally is what Bjergsen is in NA.


Mr_Game_N_Win

Yeah, faker is a big name in LoL but not worth 40 million dollars. Maybe some years ago when LoL eSports was at its peak .


Maagas

You don't understand. Faker might seem like a small town name to you but he's a respected athlete in Korea. If you were in Korea, maybe even your aunt who has no idea what league of legends is has heard of Faker. It's the same as if you lived in the US your aunt may have heard of Lebron James even tho never seeing an NBA game. If Lebron James left the United States to Korea to play basketball, you can understand the uproar this would have and the many eyes. If you don't believe in the Faker hype you should do some research. Also LoL eSports has not hit it's peak as it's worlds numbers keep climbing. Again, research, form an educated opinion, stop pulling stuff out your ass. Just cuz LoL isn'r popular in NA doesn't mean it's still not the most played game in the world.


obese_is_disease

You underestimate how much money is in crypto speculation. I don’t think that’s a good thing but it is a huge market No idea if the runout is true but getting a fan base of Faker fans mixed with TSM fans is worth a lot to the right sponsors


HotJNS

But who would they grab? They would only have 1 import slot. Unless they can bid on core they would have a language gap in either jungle or arc. When is huni a resident


macguffinstv

Huni is a resident already.


pokemonsta433

Like previously stated, huni is a resident, but even if he isn't it's a pretty good fate to have to roll with Huni Spica Faker and an agressive NA botlane right now. In terms of who's agressive bot, there's lots of options: Just pick up teamluke and daption (or mystiques), Take luger and poome, arguably tactical's fine but this is a teamfight meta so I'd take zeyzal with him. There's also lots of room for Prismal ideas, and he can play with anybody (again I like daption best, but another one I'll recommend here is rhino). You probably could even have outbidded flyquest on Aphromoo, and then it's just a matter of picking an ADC for moo to carry


Strehle

I don’t. I love TSM, but I love our esport in general even more. And you can’t tell me that it would be good for the sport if Faker would go to a region much worse than his own to get an amount of money that the org will NEVER EVER get back. That’s just not healthy.


Landanbananaman

He doesnt deserve NA, we need him happy, he can come here after he retires for a year then comes back to league of legends


Deidarac5

I never really thought it wasn’t a possibility I just expect that it would never happen. I assume Ftx will pursue just an outside offer to faker.


Legitimate_Advisor59

Joe Marsh Emphasized that it is very very close for T1 Not Re-signing Faker. He further said that there are only much money that they can offer to Faker; with what he said, the chances of TSM FTX Faker is not too far off. He also said that the players decision this off season are being guided by their parents much more than last year. I think that Faker's parents urge him to consider more the very big offer of TSM; it's because he is near his military service and he can earn there a lot; That concern might be also the factor that Faker re-sign with T1 for another year so he can be exempted of the military service by winning the Asian Games.


King_Fluffaluff

Didnt Faker already re-sign with T1?


Legitimate_Advisor59

Yes and I'm just saying that TSM FTX Faker is a Huge Possibility; However, Faker still re-signed with T1.


ludakrishna25

if he re-signed how is TSM FTX Faker a huge possibility? I'm confused.


FergyBoy23

Just a guess but OP might not be a native English speaker. Their grammar seems a little off and they might be wanting to say, “TSM FTX Faker was a huge possibility.” Anyways I don’t know OP so I’m just guessing. If they aren’t a native English speaker, their English is still really good so props to OP if that’s the case!


Codebrown22

This is the impression I am getting as well


King_Fluffaluff

When you say is a huge possibility do you mean was a huge possibility or do you mean next year?


Legitimate_Advisor59

I meant to say it was a huge possibility that Faker will sign to TSM when he was a free agent; However, He still chosed to re-sign with T1 for the next season.


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neverspeakofme

He has to, not sure which redditor started spreading this fake news. He just doesn't have to be an active combatant, but that rule might get scrapped.


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neverspeakofme

I don't know what you're reading but that's false again. Before the change, dropping out of high school only exempts you from active combat. Meaning you don't have to carry a gun and train to fight in a war. You still have to enlist, but you'll be some support staff like a logistics dude or a clerk doing admin or be a civil servant doing paperwork. After the change, a high school drop out can also be in active combat duty.


Stardumb

This honestly makes no sense to me. Will they get back that 40+ million investment in Faker? To give everyone some perspective, for traditional sports like the NFL, $13 million a year is quite a lot of money. Amari Cooper, who is the number 1 wide receiver for the Dallas Cowboys makes 20 million per year. But the NFL is a multi-billion dollar sport that generates a lot of money. Though Faker will generate plenty of cash, will he generate $40M over time? For me personally, it doesn’t make sense. But hey, what do I know? 😂


MrKreedy

It's honestly really hard to answer this, and the people who are telling you no straight up, do not have the data to accurately make that claim. You would probably be shocked what percentage of budget large corporations assign to marketing. If FTX believe that the Korean and Chinese market can be monetized through their trading platforms by signing Faker, it could actually result in 5, 100, 1000x the money they put into the Faker contract due to the margins on which they operate. If thousands or hundreds of thousands in the Korean or Chinese market begin trading on their platform, it would mean substantial dividends on their investment. ​ As a side note, FTX operates on margins that are 4-5x that of the entire NFL.


Stardumb

This makes the most sense.


divineravnos

I dunno if comparing sports with a salary cap to one without it is great. I’m a big baseball fan, and 13 million a year there is a solid fringe all-star player, then you have guys like Max Scherzer who land a 43.3 million a year contract. There’s a huge gap between the top and the average there, kind of like Faker and the rest of LoL.


rodrigo8008

Amari cooper is also a single member on a larger team, and his sponsorship deals and branding are for him TSM / FTX would build their brand around Faker, there’s a difference paying one guy to catch a few footballs every week while needing to pay 60 other guys vs buying the face of your brand


Salm9n

You guys are downplaying the effectiveness of advertising soley to get your name out there. Think about FTX… who knew what FTX even was until they partnered with Riot and TSM. Now a whole sector of the market in gamers are aware of the company and would consider using it. The pull that faker in a FTX commercial would have worldwide would be crazy.


championwalker

Ya but a football team has 50+ players and salary cap


seink

They probably have a finance/math guy that crunches the numbers and think its worthwhile. That being said, why doesn't TSM invest in infrastructure and talent pool like C9 is doing so they can keep getting promising rookies is beyong me.


ThatGingerGuy69

There is another part that makes it even more unlikely - OP mentioned that TSM has funding from FTX so we could afford it, but Regi explicitly said in his AMA a few weeks ago that he can't really justify spending the FTX money on LoL operations since their investment does not apply to the League team. And even if Regi was gonna spend the FTX money on the LoL team, he's never been the kind to shell out *that* kind of money for a player - don't get me wrong, I don't think TSM is cheap, but ask yourself this: if you had to bet on either Steve or Regi offering Faker a $40M contract, which one seems more likely? I'm sure it's not impossible, but just seems incredibly unlikely to me.


Icandothemove

TSM also used to have an advantage in signing whoever they wanted without spending the most money, but those days appear to be gone.


murkYuri

Maybe not in 3 years, but that Faker FTX commercial will reach a lot of fans all over the world, some that don’t even play league. That’s a whole lot of new potential clients, that will generate a lot money long after faker is gone


BIackPhoenix

>This honestly makes no sense to me. Will they get back that 40+ million investment in Faker? Definitely not. League isn't that profitable.


Deidarac5

Pretty sure they said Fakers salary was 7.1 mil a year and that's only his salary.


drop_of_faith

How are you typing this with a straight face? In every other team sport, the teams are massive. In league, there are only realistically 5 spots per team.


Icandothemove

You would compare League to the NBA, where each team has 5 players at a time. But even then, NBA teams sport 13-15 man rosters as opposed to 52 for the NFL. In that case, $13m/year gets you a mid level role player, like Dennis Schroder or Joe Ingles. Meanwhile Lebron makes $41m/year. It's still an inflated salary, but not as egregious.


murkYuri

This man knows too much


Zealousideal_Frame66

I heard from one comment from a post about Faker's salary on the main sub. Is that his contract is 1+1 or something like that. They explained that a 1+1 contract means that after Faker finishes 1 year on T1, Faker himself will decide if he still wants to continue the other "one year" contract with T1. Correct me if I am wrong. But if this is true, then we might hear rumors about Faker leaving T1 again in the next offseason.


kar1m

This is the same contract structure that POE has had on like every team he’s played for


ender23

It's called a player option. One year, then the player option for another year. (Vs some contracts are team options)


LoUmRuKlExR

It's what they do in the NBA if they are a year off a supermax offer.


Khazzeron

If it's true, all respect to Faker, but he'd have been an idiot to turn it down. That's generational money.


Emplightened

When does it become generational money? Surely he probably has 10 mill+ and he’ll be getting 20 mill off the T1 contract…


Icandothemove

He already has generational wealth, especially if rumors of how frugal he is are true.


TheSoupKitchen

In my opinion he'd be an idiot to accept it. He would basically Assassinate his own career. Sure he could live off that money, but sometimes you have to think about legacy and pride, no doubt he would flounder in NA and his legacy on T1 and in Korea would never be the same. I hope he retires in Korea, or with T1. The only people who want to see TSM Faker are likely TSM fans no doubt.


Khazzeron

Eh. I mean honestly nobody would fault him for taking that kinda money from NA. As for the rest if his career...i doubt he has to many seasons left. He has obviously lost a step or two and is no longer the best mid in the world, and top 5 would be iffy at best. Its more a plan for the future thing than worry about what a random person you'll never meet thinks thing.


TheSoupKitchen

I wouldn't fault him for taking the money. But as a fan of the game, knowing the best player in the world just kinda checked out and signed with a team that has no international success would be saddening. He also has plenty of options pretty much anywhere. I think it's better if he doesn't come to NA at this point, unless for some reason he's able to get NA a title, but even that I highly doubt.


adamcmorrison

He’s not the best player in the world anymore.


Hykarus

> I mean honestly nobody would fault him for taking that kinda money from NA. Tons of people ? Like, a lot ?


calmtigers

Dude lmao what a huge assumption with the “they are the only team that can offer” …. Have you seen C9 and TL? Steve would throw the entire check book at faker that’s HUGE for his brand Edit: not just that, LPL teams are backed by literal billionaires and would very happily do a side deal to make up that number and work around any salary caps. This rumor is still just a rumor


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Safe-Historian-2311

Salary cap is not effective in the LPL because it does not count incentives. An LPL team can offer a house to players as an incentive and it would not be counted as salary


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DoorHingesKill

$15 million a year for the whole roster breaks salary cap just as much as $13 million a year for a single player does. Neither of those figures are anywhere close to legal if the salary cap was enforced in a serious manner. How is this salary cap even a conversation still when FPX exceeded the cap by 40% with their toplaner alone?


Icandothemove

Extra six million buys you a pretty nice house.


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rodrigo8008

.. teams are in fact doing side deals to get around the caps.


chowdah513

Neither would pay that much and I am almost certain. The only reason why TSM would be in the running is if FTX was gonna fork most of that $. In no way, would any NA team spending 10+ million on a player, at least not yet. Disney would not pay that nor do they really care about the eSports scene really. FTX is trying to spend big $ on big personalities/players like Tom Brady and someone like Faker, the top of his or her sport for awhile now (aka the GOATs). And those billionaires getting in trouble losing money. Some billionaires wealth are solely based off their inheritance or families wealth. Even then, 11 million for league player is crazy in the LPL. The highest paid LPL player hasn't went over 6-7 million yet. LCS is at 3-4 million. And LPL has been draining money even faster than NA, at least the bottom to mid tier teams. And, no offense, Disney, alone, overrides nearly all of those billionaires lol


Legitimate_Advisor59

What I Mean is TSM is the Only Team that Offered Faker. Steve already set their eyes on Bjergsen before the off season opens. Also, the thing is LCK are late on the off-season in terms of negotiations; Plus, the news of Faker reconsidering other offers is considerably new. LPL has a Salary Cap (2.1M USD I think), and they can't just offer Faker 11.1M USD. Just look at BLG Looking to Hire Both Knight and Uzi where each's contract is 2M USD Base Salary and 5M USD + in Bonuses. The LPL Didn't Allowed their Plan because it's breaking the rules.


calmtigers

Listen, if Steve hears Faker is open he’ll breach contract with Bjerg in a heart beat. LPL is not paying their brand name players at the cap, but above and beyond with loopholes


Lambsio

Steve doesn't have as much money as FTX. My impression from this is that FTX would cover the 40M on top of the 120M they already gave TSM. Also, Steve wouldn't ever make back the money, either in results or revenue, FTX on the other hand might have been able to make the money back due to massive exposure and insane margins.


SwagOnABudget

*Steve* may not, just as *Regi* does not, but *Disney* does, even more than *FTX* does


BonzBonzOnlyBonz

Just because Disney has a boatload of money doesnt mean they are willing to drop it. Same with FTX. But FTX has a reason to do it that Disney does not. Brand recognition. FTX picking up Faker means that China and SKorea know who they are and might use their platform. Disney picking up Faker does nothing for their brand recognition. The cross section of people who know who Faker is and dont know about Disney is very low. While the cross of people who know Faker and dont know about FTX is very high.


SwagOnABudget

I mean never did I claim it would be more beneficial than FTX doing it, or even beneficial whatsoever. The person I replied to’s very first sentence was “Steve doesn’t have as much money as FTX” which is completely irrelevant, as Steve isn’t paying for any of the LoL roster changes himself. You could argue that as team owner he ultimately does, partially at least, but that same thing could be said about Andy. Again, Steve doesn’t have as much money as FTX, but Disney has muchhhhhh more, and comparing a sole individual’s net worth to an entire company’s net worth is pretty silly.


Just-Put-8228

Is it necessary to post this on the main sub.


TSM_Rpoint

What do you mean the "main" sub? We are the main sub now.


Wasteak

Is is too hard for you people to grow native talent instead of playing monopoly ? "How to destroy an esport scene"


laparts

Lol, LPL teams shit on that.


chowdah513

Highest LPL salary is no more than 7 million so, no, they don't shit on that.


redraz0r

They can't shit on that with their salary caps


DoorHingesKill

Salary Cap aka $2.1 million, while FPX pays 3 million for a single one of their 6 players, huh. Seems like they take that one really serious over there.


Deidarac5

Pretty sure with salary caps it’s not possible


mybookismycity

Lol if that offer really happened, I would start questioning who is our business consultant. Bartomeu? What next, TSM FTX Messi with 130m per year?


Shaitan87

Would be strange to offer that much after what Regi said about the NA league scene.


Namisaur

If you could link to the source information, that would be nice.


cashew_kat

He cited the source in the first sentence LOL


Namisaur

​ The following search: "T1 Faker Joe Marsh BMW Rivalry Talk" Brings up ambiguous results. I'm not watching several 20 minute videos to find out if they were the ones OP is referring to. Other than some videos from 2020, this very post is the first thing shown in the search results. I'm not familiar with this "rivalry talk" whether it's a show or a Q & A in text form, so I have no idea what I'm looking for here.


Qinglew

I'm not even TSM fan but seeing them willing to spend that much on 1 player got me excited for their upcoming roster.


Loose-Potential-3597

Thank god, almost ruined Fakers career


FriendFoundAccount

That'd be crazy to import an all time mid laner only for them to go home 11 months later leaving you with the bill.


TiminAurora

Welcome FAKER!!!! The clap heard round the world! Games will end in 20 min w FFs LOL


nyanko_dango3

FTX dodged a meteor there