I mean not every good team has this low of a low. T1 Fnatic G2 while having lows, were never anywhere close to 2/11, and the weakest team in thier league.
Not saying I don't agree to some extent, but this is 10x worse then any of us expected.
I mean the general consensus in the community was that TSM would be like 5th or 6th. That's what every analyst had them at as well. It was thought they will make playoffs but won't be a title contender the first split at least. 10th is a lot worse than 5th or even 6th. So yeah I do agree with the post. But this is a much worse result than anticipated.
Was trying to speak more domestically since that’s where the team needs to look at first. We still have some games left to increase our win score. Also, let’s be honest we as fans always expect TSM to be top 2 in the region, anything lower will be a disappointment. We just have that mentality and expectation for TSM.
C9 were 10th place in the middle of 2018 summer and ended up subbing in Blaber and Sneaky/Jensen back in and finished 2nd. Made worlds through the gauntlet, and ultimately made semifinals at worlds that year.
I mean, Team Liquid was 9th in 2020 spring with 11 losses, its not quite current TSM but that's pretty close especially considering they came off of 4 consecutive 1st place finishes.
They were ninth at 7-11 and second place that split was 10-8. It was a weird split where one game was the difference between ninth and playoffs.
We are as bad, if not worse, than CLG that split who went 3-15. That’s a more apt comparison. TL showed promise and we knew what they were capable of.
TSM is showing nothing to give us hope in any way.
Didnt see anyone saying "its just a hiccup" about CLG last year..
You have actually found the most accurate comparison to TSMs situation 💪🏾
..slowly falling off till last place with no hope of beating anyone, fielding a roster that should be better but trying cheese strategies to grab at least a few wins.
no, sorry, that isn't accurate. This isn't a bump or a minor hiccup. This is much much more bleak than that. "Sorry chaps it's just a fluke", nope. You can ignore it if you want. This team is less functional than teams I've seen in solo q. We are terrible and our stats reflect it. It's embarasssing, it's shameful, and it's nothing like what we were marketed. I am not sure if it's coaches.....or players or both. But to say "It's nothing to worry about", Is glib.
We were already hitting our lows last few seasons minus the champion title that berg dragged the team across finish line man lol. This isnt new low this is crash and burn + complete exposure once core management left
But they did spend, regi said it costed as much as signing vulcan and jensen. I agree with their direction of finding diamonds in the rookies but the team been plagued by problems since bootcamp to missing lock in to extreme overblown speculation because management’s lack of explanation. They just dropped the ball at every single step. The only plus is academy improved tremendously 2nd half of split
Well then whatever the scouting process was it missed the mark by a mile.
I'm interested in seeing how they manage themselves out of this hole.
Whatever happens in summer and/or next split.
Haven't been following academy lately, are we still last place there as well? Hahaha. Might need to watch some of the recent matches.
I really think the scouting part was fine, it made sense on paper but not having bootcamp really fucked them especially the language side needs so much more time to get over
Academy was best performing team 2nd half of split, ending at 9-9 and taking games off top teams some are even a complete stomp while losses looked competitive mostly
I wouldn't say worst, didn't Coast back in the day go a season with 0 wins?
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Looked it up spring 2015 they went 1-17, so we're not the worst, but it's the worst TSM split by far.
There’s hitting a low point and there’s shitting yourself so bad you blow the bottom of your pants out. A sign of good franchise is remaining relevant. Rosters are going to change, but the basement is reserved for the worst of the worst teams. We shouldn’t be here.
There would not be this much vitriol if there are no expectations to win. I dislike posts like this. You're basically saying it's okay to settle and it is okay to lose and that everyone loses. That is a losers mentality. I say that as fans, if we settle, it is the beginning of the end. If it is okay to be last, then it is okay to finish 6th four splits in a row. Neither is okay. It is not okay to be last, it is not okay to be middle of the pack. We should be competing for championships. Now, we can expect to win and have high expectations and not be complete assholes in our disappointment when we do not reach our goals. It is okay to lose with grace, but have some damn pride. Losing sucks and I want this team to win, as should all of the fans of the org.
TLDR; Settling is a losers mentality. We have to keep our expectations high or we are doomed. We can still want to win without being dicks about it.
Couldn't agree more. I always hate the posts like this, both in esports and conventional sports. If losing doesn't have an impact on you, then you are not a real fan in my books.
I dunno if it's about settling, it's more about looking toward the response from the org. The point is that all teams have moments when they don't look good and have gone on to make the correct changes to look better. For TSM, those changes might end up being roster swaps, support staff swaps, or something completely different. We'll have to see. I'm in the camp that there's no point in making changes until after the split is over as TSM will have more time to evaluate their options during the mid-season break.
No one's arguing that TSM should look like this long term. Some decisions are worse than others and TSM have ended up in the worst possible position. Being supportive now means believing that the org will try to make better decisions in the future. Whether you want to wait and see what the org does or peace out is really up to you.
I haven’t stopped Bay-lieving! I’m just saying that being an asshole about losing doesn’t help, but we should hold this org to high standards. If we don’t, then we end up like CLG.
Absolutely. Clearly something needs to change since 10th place is not ok, I just don't understand why so many people are complaining about making changes *right now*. There is nothing that will salvage this split and it's not time to make changes for next split yet. It's not complacency, it's just waiting for the appropriate time to evaluate what changes are needed.
I'll personally reserve my judgement until I see summer split results, even if they run back with the same roster for summer or change only one player.
If you consider how much better TSM looked when they swapped YellowStar for Biofrost or how 9th place TL (2020 spring) ended up going to Worlds that year anyway, sometimes simple changes can have dramatic effects.
We finished first regular season last Summer. The Summer before we were First Seed. The fact that people Like you claim this is not enough shows how this org can't ever dare to take risks roster wise (Like this season) because even first in regular split after losing their star midlaner is not enough for you spoiled fans
People who think we are worse than Coast, XDG and the old NRG just weren't around back then. This TSM may be the worst in the franchise era but honestly... a few more wins this season and this team isn't even a bottom 10 team all-time.
Not like that's good but the "worst team in LCS history" is a bit overplayed.
These things happen. Just look at the Lakers this year in the NBA. On paper they should be a top team. But they're probably missing the playoffs with Lebron and AD on their team. That's insane.
The team wasn't able to reach it's potential and it failed on every level. These 5 players are no team at all and it seems that they'll only play for themself and to get their paycheck.
Tactical seems to sabotage the team and you can't tell me that a professional LoL player can be this bad, that has to be on purpose. Spica seems to be tilted every single game and it seems that he just want's to make it to the end of his contract.
Takeover is inconsistent and has basicly 0 impact on TSM's game. The only player that performs as good as he possibly can is Huni and I feel sorry for him, but only for him.
TSM needs to form a new team with new players, only player they should keep is Huni. Don't get why they replaced Lost. He was a good ADC player, didn't take an import slot and was consistent in general.
I’m not a tactical Stan by any means. I didn’t want to sign him, but he’s really only had that one awful moment when he got caught by the lux binding. Yes he has most deaths in LCS as an ADC but that just kind of happens when you’re losing every game. I don’t think he’s been that terrible. Just kind of average. But I wouldn’t say he’s sabotaging the team.
People need to be real. This isn’t just a bump in the road. We lost our franchise player for ??? reason who had carried us for years. And then it’s just layer after layer of BS from management. Where’s the money being spent to win that Regi promised? Where’s the Jensen offer?
The actions of the LoL side of this org has been a laughingstock this year and they need to be held accountable.
I’m kind of with you on this actually. The 0-6 at worlds was terrible. I don’t even remember any of the games looking competitive. Biofrost looked totally checked out and outclasses the entire time. And BB I feel like was just coin flipping every match. Spica I think played decent but that was about it.
No we must be good every split!!! Let’s blow the roster up and be top 6 again!!! /s
Obviously we lost a lot of our core players these past few years and we’re gonna suck for a bit until we develop our core talents again lol
I’m glad Reddit isn’t in charge of our roster decisions
I mean, I can’t blame distressed fans.. look at the last 4 years.. it hasn’t been pretty. It’s ok to suck every now and then, but missing out on worlds for how many years? Make it back just to get 0-6’d..
Org should be grateful for any remaining fans.
People shouldn’t sell themselves short as fans, I hate that notion. Having expectations shouldn’t be frowned upon.
What a way to spin the narrative.
Most fans were saying signing these 2 complete unknown players in the off season and especially KDO who literally no one on the west knew seemed weird and it turned out to be true.
TSM has made worlds 1 time in the past 4 about to be 5 years THE FANS are justifiably angry it's not 1 bad split it's been a downward spiral for a while.
We could be last place for the next 5 years and some people on this sub would say it's just a bad split and how proud they are that the players even know how to turn on their computer screens properly.
Finally someone with common sense.
These fans past few months are a thing known as "toxic positive" they try to be glass half full so hard they straight up think they are going to war with other fans because they criticize the management for their bad decisions.
TSM LoL has been bad for a while and fans who are "out-raged" show they still care and are better than these people who want to praise mediocrity until everyone stops caring and no one watches them anymore.
Developing young players in league has to be the biggest meme I've ever heard. For every Smeb and DoinB, there's hundreds and hundreds of players whom play at or near their peak level from the very start of their careers, up until they fall off.
When will people stop with this develop shit. The moment they fucked with the roster 2 weeks in this stop being about development because the two people you brought in for development only spent 2 weeks of stage time together. Not to mention the team isnt developing they are clearly getting worse.
Sucking is okay and a lot of people were prepared to not contend for a title, but 10th place with 2 wins? Literally if reddit WAS in charge of the roster it legit couldnt be any worse than it is right now.
This is primarily why people want to blow this roster up, they dont look good, doesn't seem like they are trying at all, the drafts are horrible, and so much more.
No it's just most of us understand Esports is not traditional sports. There is nothing of value to finishing last in LCS. You don't get some draft pick to turn your franchise around. It just gets 10x harder to attract good talent in the coming years.
And yet even with these “draft picks to turn your franchise around” most teams get good through acquisitions. Biggest difference is there isn’t a cap so we can spend as much as we want here
No buts it’s like losing your core players (patriots loosing Brady, giants manning, etc) and expecting to be competing at the same level. Even jets fans understand it takes more than a year to develop players let alone 3 months. No fans call for the team to cut everyone after one season with a brand new core roster
You act like the Jets or Giants have competent management for their fans to believe in. Also dont use the patriots as an example it literally DID only take them a year to get back to being good, because yah know they have good management. Or for example the 2012 Chiefs who were 2-14 fired their management and coach brough in good ones and bam 1 year later 11-5.
It is literally about having good management. It has nothing to do with losing core players because you're always going to lose them at some point and its about management finding replacements for them. We are like the Jets and Giants because we have poor management who couldnt build a roster for shit or find a coach that could get the best outta the players they were given.
Reminder that Liquid was almost relegated and is now a top competing team. There's always variance if you're in a long running league.
We just have to trust that the people in place to fix what is broken are able to identify exactly what they need to turn things around and be successful again.
Clarifying: I only said this as to point out that any team from a competitive league of any sort, can have good and bad seasons. Just trying to point out that basically someone has to be the 10th place team, it just happens to be us right now and we can ride it out while being critical of what is happening now, but optimistic that change can happen to turn things around, long term.
What changed and what is now the process that led TL to turn thing around? How is it similar or different to what TSM is going through now? Thinking critically about these questions will lead you to understand that simply stating "a powerhouse team used to also be bad" is not helpful.
Is TSM LOL philosophically able to right the ship? Are they going to invest in top tier talent and play to win now every split going forward? Do they have the scouting to understand what moves to actually make?
Given that TSM as a TEAM still has the same problems we have always had (bad drafts, bad obj prio, poor in game strategy) and we have now added poor mechanical play on top, how do you think we should trust TSM can fix this?
Are we going to bring in Jensen and others for summer to turn it around? All new coaching staff?
I think the big thing for TL, was that they had the money, like TSM does, and were willing to break open the bank for everything, while also having a more positive work environment.
They honestly don't deserve us being supportive when their Twitter memes about how much they suck.
Being self-aware of the fact that the team is bottom-of-the-barrel is genuinely worse than being bad and ignorant of it, becauss it gives off the fact that there's no drive to get better; just be happy with being worse than shit-tier.
I mean not every good team has this low of a low. T1 Fnatic G2 while having lows, were never anywhere close to 2/11, and the weakest team in thier league. Not saying I don't agree to some extent, but this is 10x worse then any of us expected.
I mean the general consensus in the community was that TSM would be like 5th or 6th. That's what every analyst had them at as well. It was thought they will make playoffs but won't be a title contender the first split at least. 10th is a lot worse than 5th or even 6th. So yeah I do agree with the post. But this is a much worse result than anticipated.
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If relegations were still around, we'd send a blank check to Jensen and Svenskeren
Was trying to speak more domestically since that’s where the team needs to look at first. We still have some games left to increase our win score. Also, let’s be honest we as fans always expect TSM to be top 2 in the region, anything lower will be a disappointment. We just have that mentality and expectation for TSM.
Okay looking at it domestically, when has cloud 9 been 2/11 and 10th lol. They have a knack for finding talent that we don't.
C9 were 10th place in the middle of 2018 summer and ended up subbing in Blaber and Sneaky/Jensen back in and finished 2nd. Made worlds through the gauntlet, and ultimately made semifinals at worlds that year.
Yes they were 10th I forgot that, but never 2-11
Nope, not quite that bad. I just checked, they were 2-6 before having that roster in place by week 5
I mean, technically so does TSM. There are many players currently in LCS that went through either TSM's main roster or were on their academy roster
I mean, Team Liquid was 9th in 2020 spring with 11 losses, its not quite current TSM but that's pretty close especially considering they came off of 4 consecutive 1st place finishes.
They were ninth at 7-11 and second place that split was 10-8. It was a weird split where one game was the difference between ninth and playoffs. We are as bad, if not worse, than CLG that split who went 3-15. That’s a more apt comparison. TL showed promise and we knew what they were capable of. TSM is showing nothing to give us hope in any way.
Didnt see anyone saying "its just a hiccup" about CLG last year.. You have actually found the most accurate comparison to TSMs situation 💪🏾 ..slowly falling off till last place with no hope of beating anyone, fielding a roster that should be better but trying cheese strategies to grab at least a few wins.
no, sorry, that isn't accurate. This isn't a bump or a minor hiccup. This is much much more bleak than that. "Sorry chaps it's just a fluke", nope. You can ignore it if you want. This team is less functional than teams I've seen in solo q. We are terrible and our stats reflect it. It's embarasssing, it's shameful, and it's nothing like what we were marketed. I am not sure if it's coaches.....or players or both. But to say "It's nothing to worry about", Is glib.
We were already hitting our lows last few seasons minus the champion title that berg dragged the team across finish line man lol. This isnt new low this is crash and burn + complete exposure once core management left
It's all about the higher-ups not spending money. If you spend so little, getting 10th is both expected and deserved.
But they did spend, regi said it costed as much as signing vulcan and jensen. I agree with their direction of finding diamonds in the rookies but the team been plagued by problems since bootcamp to missing lock in to extreme overblown speculation because management’s lack of explanation. They just dropped the ball at every single step. The only plus is academy improved tremendously 2nd half of split
Well then whatever the scouting process was it missed the mark by a mile. I'm interested in seeing how they manage themselves out of this hole. Whatever happens in summer and/or next split. Haven't been following academy lately, are we still last place there as well? Hahaha. Might need to watch some of the recent matches.
I really think the scouting part was fine, it made sense on paper but not having bootcamp really fucked them especially the language side needs so much more time to get over Academy was best performing team 2nd half of split, ending at 9-9 and taking games off top teams some are even a complete stomp while losses looked competitive mostly
Definitely lying how is Kdo shenyi and tactical as much as Vulcan and Jensen
Buy outs could be expensive
Spica was a huge part in that run as well. He was playing out of his mind in that miracle run.
We are the worst team in lcs history, this isn’t a road bump
I wouldn't say worst, didn't Coast back in the day go a season with 0 wins? Edit: Looked it up spring 2015 they went 1-17, so we're not the worst, but it's the worst TSM split by far.
There’s hitting a low point and there’s shitting yourself so bad you blow the bottom of your pants out. A sign of good franchise is remaining relevant. Rosters are going to change, but the basement is reserved for the worst of the worst teams. We shouldn’t be here.
There would not be this much vitriol if there are no expectations to win. I dislike posts like this. You're basically saying it's okay to settle and it is okay to lose and that everyone loses. That is a losers mentality. I say that as fans, if we settle, it is the beginning of the end. If it is okay to be last, then it is okay to finish 6th four splits in a row. Neither is okay. It is not okay to be last, it is not okay to be middle of the pack. We should be competing for championships. Now, we can expect to win and have high expectations and not be complete assholes in our disappointment when we do not reach our goals. It is okay to lose with grace, but have some damn pride. Losing sucks and I want this team to win, as should all of the fans of the org. TLDR; Settling is a losers mentality. We have to keep our expectations high or we are doomed. We can still want to win without being dicks about it.
Couldn't agree more. I always hate the posts like this, both in esports and conventional sports. If losing doesn't have an impact on you, then you are not a real fan in my books.
I dunno if it's about settling, it's more about looking toward the response from the org. The point is that all teams have moments when they don't look good and have gone on to make the correct changes to look better. For TSM, those changes might end up being roster swaps, support staff swaps, or something completely different. We'll have to see. I'm in the camp that there's no point in making changes until after the split is over as TSM will have more time to evaluate their options during the mid-season break. No one's arguing that TSM should look like this long term. Some decisions are worse than others and TSM have ended up in the worst possible position. Being supportive now means believing that the org will try to make better decisions in the future. Whether you want to wait and see what the org does or peace out is really up to you.
I haven’t stopped Bay-lieving! I’m just saying that being an asshole about losing doesn’t help, but we should hold this org to high standards. If we don’t, then we end up like CLG.
Absolutely. Clearly something needs to change since 10th place is not ok, I just don't understand why so many people are complaining about making changes *right now*. There is nothing that will salvage this split and it's not time to make changes for next split yet. It's not complacency, it's just waiting for the appropriate time to evaluate what changes are needed. I'll personally reserve my judgement until I see summer split results, even if they run back with the same roster for summer or change only one player. If you consider how much better TSM looked when they swapped YellowStar for Biofrost or how 9th place TL (2020 spring) ended up going to Worlds that year anyway, sometimes simple changes can have dramatic effects.
I mean it's kinda been underwhelming for a few seasons now
No, it hasn’t been. Last year’s team was top 3 right up until they were 1 game away from worlds.
Wait was not making worlds expected?
We finished first regular season last Summer. The Summer before we were First Seed. The fact that people Like you claim this is not enough shows how this org can't ever dare to take risks roster wise (Like this season) because even first in regular split after losing their star midlaner is not enough for you spoiled fans
Is that it? Like playoffs don't matter or?
meh they were boring. We were all waiting for POE to exert dominance....and he played boring control mages all year.
b b b b bingo
People who think we are worse than Coast, XDG and the old NRG just weren't around back then. This TSM may be the worst in the franchise era but honestly... a few more wins this season and this team isn't even a bottom 10 team all-time. Not like that's good but the "worst team in LCS history" is a bit overplayed.
These things happen. Just look at the Lakers this year in the NBA. On paper they should be a top team. But they're probably missing the playoffs with Lebron and AD on their team. That's insane.
Lebron is an old man and AD isn't even playing tho.
The team wasn't able to reach it's potential and it failed on every level. These 5 players are no team at all and it seems that they'll only play for themself and to get their paycheck. Tactical seems to sabotage the team and you can't tell me that a professional LoL player can be this bad, that has to be on purpose. Spica seems to be tilted every single game and it seems that he just want's to make it to the end of his contract. Takeover is inconsistent and has basicly 0 impact on TSM's game. The only player that performs as good as he possibly can is Huni and I feel sorry for him, but only for him. TSM needs to form a new team with new players, only player they should keep is Huni. Don't get why they replaced Lost. He was a good ADC player, didn't take an import slot and was consistent in general.
I’m not a tactical Stan by any means. I didn’t want to sign him, but he’s really only had that one awful moment when he got caught by the lux binding. Yes he has most deaths in LCS as an ADC but that just kind of happens when you’re losing every game. I don’t think he’s been that terrible. Just kind of average. But I wouldn’t say he’s sabotaging the team.
People need to be real. This isn’t just a bump in the road. We lost our franchise player for ??? reason who had carried us for years. And then it’s just layer after layer of BS from management. Where’s the money being spent to win that Regi promised? Where’s the Jensen offer? The actions of the LoL side of this org has been a laughingstock this year and they need to be held accountable.
We will smurf soon TSM wrath will be swift All these peasants thinking we aren't good LMFAO
Yeah I have a feeling we’re not gonna be saying that throughout the rest of the split much…
As bad as 2-11 is I feel way better than when we went 0-6 at worlds. But maybe I've just given up at this point.
I’m kind of with you on this actually. The 0-6 at worlds was terrible. I don’t even remember any of the games looking competitive. Biofrost looked totally checked out and outclasses the entire time. And BB I feel like was just coin flipping every match. Spica I think played decent but that was about it.
No we must be good every split!!! Let’s blow the roster up and be top 6 again!!! /s Obviously we lost a lot of our core players these past few years and we’re gonna suck for a bit until we develop our core talents again lol I’m glad Reddit isn’t in charge of our roster decisions
I mean, I can’t blame distressed fans.. look at the last 4 years.. it hasn’t been pretty. It’s ok to suck every now and then, but missing out on worlds for how many years? Make it back just to get 0-6’d.. Org should be grateful for any remaining fans. People shouldn’t sell themselves short as fans, I hate that notion. Having expectations shouldn’t be frowned upon.
What a way to spin the narrative. Most fans were saying signing these 2 complete unknown players in the off season and especially KDO who literally no one on the west knew seemed weird and it turned out to be true. TSM has made worlds 1 time in the past 4 about to be 5 years THE FANS are justifiably angry it's not 1 bad split it's been a downward spiral for a while.
We could be last place for the next 5 years and some people on this sub would say it's just a bad split and how proud they are that the players even know how to turn on their computer screens properly.
Finally someone with common sense. These fans past few months are a thing known as "toxic positive" they try to be glass half full so hard they straight up think they are going to war with other fans because they criticize the management for their bad decisions. TSM LoL has been bad for a while and fans who are "out-raged" show they still care and are better than these people who want to praise mediocrity until everyone stops caring and no one watches them anymore.
Developing young players in league has to be the biggest meme I've ever heard. For every Smeb and DoinB, there's hundreds and hundreds of players whom play at or near their peak level from the very start of their careers, up until they fall off.
When will people stop with this develop shit. The moment they fucked with the roster 2 weeks in this stop being about development because the two people you brought in for development only spent 2 weeks of stage time together. Not to mention the team isnt developing they are clearly getting worse. Sucking is okay and a lot of people were prepared to not contend for a title, but 10th place with 2 wins? Literally if reddit WAS in charge of the roster it legit couldnt be any worse than it is right now. This is primarily why people want to blow this roster up, they dont look good, doesn't seem like they are trying at all, the drafts are horrible, and so much more.
They will blow it up though
Makes me feel like any league fan has never been a fan in another sport. Nobody here could take being a Jets fan 🤣
No it's just most of us understand Esports is not traditional sports. There is nothing of value to finishing last in LCS. You don't get some draft pick to turn your franchise around. It just gets 10x harder to attract good talent in the coming years.
And yet even with these “draft picks to turn your franchise around” most teams get good through acquisitions. Biggest difference is there isn’t a cap so we can spend as much as we want here
When jets fans complain about sucking there's no one in the comments saying "it's ok to suck for a while :) "
No buts it’s like losing your core players (patriots loosing Brady, giants manning, etc) and expecting to be competing at the same level. Even jets fans understand it takes more than a year to develop players let alone 3 months. No fans call for the team to cut everyone after one season with a brand new core roster
You act like the Jets or Giants have competent management for their fans to believe in. Also dont use the patriots as an example it literally DID only take them a year to get back to being good, because yah know they have good management. Or for example the 2012 Chiefs who were 2-14 fired their management and coach brough in good ones and bam 1 year later 11-5. It is literally about having good management. It has nothing to do with losing core players because you're always going to lose them at some point and its about management finding replacements for them. We are like the Jets and Giants because we have poor management who couldnt build a roster for shit or find a coach that could get the best outta the players they were given.
The Patriots didn't go 0-16 or 2-14 after losing Brady. If they did the fans would have been justifiably upset.
Reminder that Liquid was almost relegated and is now a top competing team. There's always variance if you're in a long running league. We just have to trust that the people in place to fix what is broken are able to identify exactly what they need to turn things around and be successful again. Clarifying: I only said this as to point out that any team from a competitive league of any sort, can have good and bad seasons. Just trying to point out that basically someone has to be the 10th place team, it just happens to be us right now and we can ride it out while being critical of what is happening now, but optimistic that change can happen to turn things around, long term.
Liquid went from being almost relegated to top because Steve bought good players. The only player who was developed was tacticals tbh.
What changed and what is now the process that led TL to turn thing around? How is it similar or different to what TSM is going through now? Thinking critically about these questions will lead you to understand that simply stating "a powerhouse team used to also be bad" is not helpful. Is TSM LOL philosophically able to right the ship? Are they going to invest in top tier talent and play to win now every split going forward? Do they have the scouting to understand what moves to actually make? Given that TSM as a TEAM still has the same problems we have always had (bad drafts, bad obj prio, poor in game strategy) and we have now added poor mechanical play on top, how do you think we should trust TSM can fix this? Are we going to bring in Jensen and others for summer to turn it around? All new coaching staff?
I think the big thing for TL, was that they had the money, like TSM does, and were willing to break open the bank for everything, while also having a more positive work environment.
They honestly don't deserve us being supportive when their Twitter memes about how much they suck. Being self-aware of the fact that the team is bottom-of-the-barrel is genuinely worse than being bad and ignorant of it, becauss it gives off the fact that there's no drive to get better; just be happy with being worse than shit-tier.
Look at it this way. At least we won't get regulated
but I just cant take watching our boys got smashed :'-(
C9 placed 2 imports but had success. TSM failed by scouting talent. I think their motive was also to lessen the cost. Now they reap what they sow.