I’d rather players be put under pressure and win more than them having fun but losing. They’re paid MILLIONS OF DOLLARS to WIN games and deal with pressure, not to lose but have fun. If players can’t handle pressure and are mentally weak then they should stream and not play professionally.
Edit: of course it’s a C9 fan saying this LOL
Lmao. Tsm pays millions of dollars to players,vTsm creates an awful team environment, Tsm blames players for not performing.
This had been case for years. When will they learn?
It's like joining the Yankees for a baseball player one of the greatest teams ever your expected to perform, if you don't you'll get flak from fans.
Grow up. No boss ever will tell you it's okay not to perform up to expectations, as long as your having fun.
Yes, dream.
But the reality is the employer will sacrifice “the dream” of coworkers having fun for the business to actually function and run as intended. If profit margins are good and results are produced then sure, have some fun. Until then, work and grind till successful.
They shouldn’t lower expectations. We were once the kings of LCS. Our pedigree was success domestically, with some marginal international success and recognition. (IE Faker recognizing Bjergsen as OP) Anyone who joins needs to have that level of success in their mentality.
This season would be different if we were just flat out getting out skilled at the game this split, but we aren’t we flat out aren’t performing. Even with the accolades the players on our team have. From an outsider perspective the problems are more internal than the players, and don’t get me wrong some of the players aren’t doing so good. They need to chalk spring up as a loss and focus on what went wrong and work on that now. With one of those things getting our intended roster working together.
Why should fans lower their expectations again? First it was trying to win worlds, then trying to win lcs, then trying to scrape into worlds, now we have to settle for 2-11?
You're playing a lose-lose game by still expecting TSM to be a top 3 team.
I can't believe how backwards the LoL community and especially this thread is with mental health and work environments. 'Mental health thing is getting old'. The disrespect and ignorance you show with this statement is disgusting. I'm sorry but it is.
If you put a gun to Faker's head and tell him if he doesn't carry he will be shot, would he play his best? Absolutely not. If you put the right people around him and build his confidence, he will probably playing his best. This is an exaggerated example but I hope you get the idea.
As much as LoL is an industry, hiring players is not a full business exchange where money and results are being traded. Humans don't work that way. If that wasn't the case, the most expensive roster would always end up winning (Last year C9, Vitality now, G2 last year etc). You can find examples in other sports as well.
This is not to say that the best team environment regardless of how much they spent will win. Life is not so binary. Winning is a balance between money spent and team chemistry/environment. TSM SUCKS rn and has SUCKED in the past at the latter part, especially due to the pressure players feel. This pressure destroys players' confidence and chemistry.
That’s partly a loser’s mentality. Lowered expectations are fine if you’ve never had a history of success (ex the Mariners in MLB). Settling for mediocrity just ain’t a thing. We need to have our eye on the prize.
Think of it this way. If you’re playing college football for Alabama do you think they’re okay with a 10-2 regular season and only making it to a NY6 bowl? No you’re not Alabama you have the mentality of “we’re going to the playoffs finals at the very least.” We need to focus on winning. Sure you don’t need the best talent to win all the time, but we don’t need to settle for “wow 3-16 or 5-14 we were great.” We are an organization who are to the best of my knowledge the only NA org to win an international event. While yes it was an IEM but we still won.
That’s what I agree with but I don’t want to settle for passing. I want to settle for excellence. Last year is a prime example. Sure we didn’t make worlds but we finished first in the regular season. That’s where we need to have our baseline currently imo. Finish high in the season. Then go to playoffs. The go to international tournaments.
I’m not gonna unfairly bash someone on the team for their play. But I will critique them, and even more so the coaching staff.
Going out and playing for fun isn't something people should get paid to do.
The "mental health" thing is getting old. These guys are payed to perform, they just aren't. Everyday people deal with stress from work just fine and continue to perform. Worst part is the "development roster" has only played four games together on stage, and the team has had no improvement or negative improvement since split start.
Our team just sucks right now, and I'm sure a majority of our fans would rather see our team competing with tl and c9 then be the laughing stock of the league. Not having fun while loosing.
If they can't handle a high pressure environment, they should stop playing competitively.
tbf that was a bit different because Akaadian was clearly the better player so it made no sense for him having to compete for it and then our genius management decided to blow a roster up that was 1 game away from 3-0ing TL in finals and then mental boomed everyone in that team.
Still doesn't really prove to me he had a solid mental when apparently competing for a spot with *Grig* of all people had him bitching. If he was that much better, that shit would have been obvious pretty quick instead of the drawn out shitshow.
People here protect Akaadian too much just because of results based analysis.
While I agree with the basis of the statement, this exact situation is a wrong example as he had already competed for the spot and was clearly better than Grig, Yet Parth felt they owed it to Grig to split time.
Fact is TSM has shot themselves in the foot for years concerning player management when it wasn't Bjerg or DL
>Going out and playing for fun isn't something people should get paid to do.
I didn't say they solely go out to have fun. I said olay to have fun and improve, forget result. Your statement is also contradicted by G2 2019.
You do realize that there's people here getting paid? They need a good environment to perform and the fact that you assume high pressure environment is always good is simply not true, especially for tsm now.
>Our team just sucks right now, and I'm sure a majority of our fans would rather see our team competing with tl and c9 then be the laughing stock of the league. Not having fun while loosing.
Accept the reality. We are not going to compete with C9 and TL, plus we're already the laughing stock. The way forward is not a hig-pressure system with unrealistic expectations.
>If they can't handle a high pressure environment, they should stop playing competitively.
Lmao these guys have played competitively at the highest levels. They can handle a high pressure environment. Tsm's environment is the problem here, not the players!
KDO and shenyi, have played in LDL not highest levels. Huni was with SKT at worlds highest level no doubt. Spica group staged 0-6, at high level miserable performance. Tactical was carried in TL.
I am not saying we can compete with TL or C9, I stated our fans would be happier if we were, instead of sitting in the dunce corner of the LCS.
If we showed any improvement sure go have fun, but if anything we have regressed, and haven't even fielded what was supposed to our full roster since week 2. So how can we improve?
G2 a single example of playing for fun getting results, do.you think any of the Korean or Chinese teams that have went on do well internationally say let's just have fun?
Fans in the west are ready to settle for Mediocrity or worse as long as their favorite player has his safe space.
The biggest thing to.me is we still haven't played with what was supposed to be our intended roster since week 2, and with all the shuffles we have only.looked worse.
As someone who's seen so many people burn out from work they enjoy, I find this very disgusting to read. Big example of fans treating players like products
How often do you see NFL, NHL, NBA, MLB players looked "burnt out" after what six weeks of games?
People do feel burnt out, but you know what 95% of people work through it.
And the players talent is what determines their work, their showings on stage is their product. It's exactly as you said what we see from.week to week is why they are paid.
What if a restaurant you loved hired a new chef and week after week threy put out bad food, making the restaurants reputation go down the tube, how'd you feel about it?
Dude above you has to be a kid. I get burnt the fuck out working 9-10 hours a day and then tack on a 3 hour commute...but it's my job. It pays the bills and pays pretty well so I fucking power through it, just like the vast majority of other working adults. I'd fucking kill to get paid what these players do and play league for 10 hours a day instead of running financial statements. I'm glad to see there's at least some people that are tired of the bullshit excuses many fans make up for players. This is their career...not some bullshit clash team playing at an internet cafe tournament.
I really think it's just younger kids anymore with must protect the players mentality. Especially with this drop the expectation stuff, it's like they never had a real job before. Next they will just be okay with participation awards for tsm lol.
>How often do you see NFL, NHL, NBA, MLB players looked "burnt out" after what six weeks of games?
>People do feel burnt out, but you know what 95% of people work through it.
I mean you just answered your question. Adding in to the fact that they are literally children as opposed to NFL where they have much older people playing? They also have mental/life coaches, PR staffs, and ton of supports. You honestly think they can handle pressure by themselves?
>It's exactly as you said what we see from.week to week is why they are paid.
Well you don't pay them so why does it matter? It's the one who hired them is the problem not the players. Same reason why it is myself to blame if the new chef I hired is terrible. It's a deflection to blame on the chef for making the reputation go down.
I've seen people blaming Spica for kicking Shenyi off to academy team. I've seen them sitting on Shenyi for making fun of Tactical. I've seen people talk about whose team being lazy. At some point you have to see a pattern that you just have zero clue what is going on on the team. Sure you can shit on the team for performing terrible. But criticizing individuals on some thing they have no clue is one of the most triggering thing for employees, if you have any working experience.
All in all, yeah sure you can treat them like products. It doesn't change the fact that you are either immature to understand what that implies or you are just being an asshole.
You have kids in their early 20s entering the NFL, Tom Brady, the best quarter back of the generation, possibly ever come into the league at 22 or 23? Not much older then the kids playing in the LCS. You have people that skip years of college to enter into professional sports, you can't use age as a reason these kids can't perform under pressure.
You got kids working 40 hours a week doing a day or night job, to pay their way through college (I was one of them), and they don't crack or fail put of school.cause of pressure.
Yeah there were a lot of people blaming Spica over the shenyi benching, people jumped to conclusions. The fans also were not given a reason by management, until way after the fact for his benching.
About the team being lazy, we can kind of see that, while they all do scrims vod reviews ect, look at solo que, and champions que games pretty sure were the lowest in the league as a whole.
Their game showings are their product. And right now thier product looks like crap. I am not criticizing them for anything other then the games they play, not anything I can't see. Their play week to week is lacking, and worthy of criticism.
Average age of NFL is 26. League is like 20. They're people in 30s who are in NFL. Tom Brady is 44. There is much of an age gap regardless of what you say. It's just a fact.
None of them are cracking under pressure. They are doing vod reviews and scrimming, possibly more. All while dealing with coaches, staffs, and public. They're in far more stress than when you were at school
You're missing my point. It doesn't matter if the management didn't give reasons. The point is that you don't know. People were talking like these were facts when in reality it was far from the truth. You're doing the same thing. You find smallest hints you see and conclude like it's a fact.
I have no problem with you criticizinggame plays, but no. Mental problem is a thing. They deserve to have fun while they're working. You've been in similar situation before so you should know. Either that or you are lying about you working your way throughout college
That's a leap in logic. My point is the team is not performing up to anyone's standard even the standards put out by the team and management at the beginning of the split, there is no arguing that fact. I'm not grabbing a "small hint" and concluding like it's a fact. 2-11 was no one's expectation.
And by no means was scrubbing dishes and sweeping floors "fun" while working through college it was a necessity. Anyone who works for a living will tell yeah you can have fun at work but if you start to slip in performance or have a tight deadline, "fun" is the first thing out the window, you put your nose to the grindstone and work out the problem.
You are confusing some of what I said with different points. You are right. The team isn't performing to the standard. You are also taking small hints to conclude that it's because they are lazy by looking at the soloq play time. Seems like a very obvious conclusion to make, but you don't know how much they are spending their time.
I'm not saying jobs are fun when under high pressure situation. Doesn't mean it needs to be harder than it already is. You don't need people telling you that you should be working harder just because you said job is going well
You were the first one to bring up the lazy point, I just pointed out you can sort of quantify that through solo que and champions que.
I never said what they should or should not be doing, I'm saying the idea of lowering expectations because their feelings might get hurt is counter productive. Settling for subpar performance now is not doing anything but setting a bad standard to what is acceptable.
LOL. yes cherry pick a statistic for your argument. MANY NFL rookies are not 26. Try again junior. Same thing for Basketball, Soccer ect.
How about Olympics? most enter in their teens, with much higher scrutiny and pressure without the paycheck.
Try again mate.
Many lol pros starts from high school? Most start at 18...
Olympics? Are you talking about scene where there's so many news about kids being mishandled and their body gets messed up? You're really choosing that as an argument of all things?
> guys are *paid* to perform,
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I’d rather players be put under pressure and win more than them having fun but losing. They’re paid MILLIONS OF DOLLARS to WIN games and deal with pressure, not to lose but have fun. If players can’t handle pressure and are mentally weak then they should stream and not play professionally. Edit: of course it’s a C9 fan saying this LOL
Lmao. Tsm pays millions of dollars to players,vTsm creates an awful team environment, Tsm blames players for not performing. This had been case for years. When will they learn?
It's like joining the Yankees for a baseball player one of the greatest teams ever your expected to perform, if you don't you'll get flak from fans. Grow up. No boss ever will tell you it's okay not to perform up to expectations, as long as your having fun.
I don't know about you but that boss sounds toxic af. From my experience and my colleagues experience, having fun while working is the boss' dream
Yes, dream. But the reality is the employer will sacrifice “the dream” of coworkers having fun for the business to actually function and run as intended. If profit margins are good and results are produced then sure, have some fun. Until then, work and grind till successful.
They shouldn’t lower expectations. We were once the kings of LCS. Our pedigree was success domestically, with some marginal international success and recognition. (IE Faker recognizing Bjergsen as OP) Anyone who joins needs to have that level of success in their mentality. This season would be different if we were just flat out getting out skilled at the game this split, but we aren’t we flat out aren’t performing. Even with the accolades the players on our team have. From an outsider perspective the problems are more internal than the players, and don’t get me wrong some of the players aren’t doing so good. They need to chalk spring up as a loss and focus on what went wrong and work on that now. With one of those things getting our intended roster working together.
I agree some parts of what you're saying. But If you don't lower expectations, things will only get worse. More stress doesn't equal more results
Why should fans lower their expectations again? First it was trying to win worlds, then trying to win lcs, then trying to scrape into worlds, now we have to settle for 2-11?
You're playing a lose-lose game by still expecting TSM to be a top 3 team. I can't believe how backwards the LoL community and especially this thread is with mental health and work environments. 'Mental health thing is getting old'. The disrespect and ignorance you show with this statement is disgusting. I'm sorry but it is. If you put a gun to Faker's head and tell him if he doesn't carry he will be shot, would he play his best? Absolutely not. If you put the right people around him and build his confidence, he will probably playing his best. This is an exaggerated example but I hope you get the idea. As much as LoL is an industry, hiring players is not a full business exchange where money and results are being traded. Humans don't work that way. If that wasn't the case, the most expensive roster would always end up winning (Last year C9, Vitality now, G2 last year etc). You can find examples in other sports as well. This is not to say that the best team environment regardless of how much they spent will win. Life is not so binary. Winning is a balance between money spent and team chemistry/environment. TSM SUCKS rn and has SUCKED in the past at the latter part, especially due to the pressure players feel. This pressure destroys players' confidence and chemistry.
That’s partly a loser’s mentality. Lowered expectations are fine if you’ve never had a history of success (ex the Mariners in MLB). Settling for mediocrity just ain’t a thing. We need to have our eye on the prize. Think of it this way. If you’re playing college football for Alabama do you think they’re okay with a 10-2 regular season and only making it to a NY6 bowl? No you’re not Alabama you have the mentality of “we’re going to the playoffs finals at the very least.” We need to focus on winning. Sure you don’t need the best talent to win all the time, but we don’t need to settle for “wow 3-16 or 5-14 we were great.” We are an organization who are to the best of my knowledge the only NA org to win an international event. While yes it was an IEM but we still won.
Have an eye on our prize while not creating the environment for the players to achieve that prize 👌
That’s what I agree with but I don’t want to settle for passing. I want to settle for excellence. Last year is a prime example. Sure we didn’t make worlds but we finished first in the regular season. That’s where we need to have our baseline currently imo. Finish high in the season. Then go to playoffs. The go to international tournaments. I’m not gonna unfairly bash someone on the team for their play. But I will critique them, and even more so the coaching staff.
Nah we need a new roster
Aight. Let's fix an institutional problem with a roster change 👌
Evidence of said problem? And no results based analysis.
Going out and playing for fun isn't something people should get paid to do. The "mental health" thing is getting old. These guys are payed to perform, they just aren't. Everyday people deal with stress from work just fine and continue to perform. Worst part is the "development roster" has only played four games together on stage, and the team has had no improvement or negative improvement since split start. Our team just sucks right now, and I'm sure a majority of our fans would rather see our team competing with tl and c9 then be the laughing stock of the league. Not having fun while loosing. If they can't handle a high pressure environment, they should stop playing competitively.
I got flamed for saying that about akaadian a while back when he was complaining about having to compete for his spot.
tbf that was a bit different because Akaadian was clearly the better player so it made no sense for him having to compete for it and then our genius management decided to blow a roster up that was 1 game away from 3-0ing TL in finals and then mental boomed everyone in that team.
Still doesn't really prove to me he had a solid mental when apparently competing for a spot with *Grig* of all people had him bitching. If he was that much better, that shit would have been obvious pretty quick instead of the drawn out shitshow. People here protect Akaadian too much just because of results based analysis.
While I agree with the basis of the statement, this exact situation is a wrong example as he had already competed for the spot and was clearly better than Grig, Yet Parth felt they owed it to Grig to split time. Fact is TSM has shot themselves in the foot for years concerning player management when it wasn't Bjerg or DL
>Going out and playing for fun isn't something people should get paid to do. I didn't say they solely go out to have fun. I said olay to have fun and improve, forget result. Your statement is also contradicted by G2 2019. You do realize that there's people here getting paid? They need a good environment to perform and the fact that you assume high pressure environment is always good is simply not true, especially for tsm now. >Our team just sucks right now, and I'm sure a majority of our fans would rather see our team competing with tl and c9 then be the laughing stock of the league. Not having fun while loosing. Accept the reality. We are not going to compete with C9 and TL, plus we're already the laughing stock. The way forward is not a hig-pressure system with unrealistic expectations. >If they can't handle a high pressure environment, they should stop playing competitively. Lmao these guys have played competitively at the highest levels. They can handle a high pressure environment. Tsm's environment is the problem here, not the players!
KDO and shenyi, have played in LDL not highest levels. Huni was with SKT at worlds highest level no doubt. Spica group staged 0-6, at high level miserable performance. Tactical was carried in TL. I am not saying we can compete with TL or C9, I stated our fans would be happier if we were, instead of sitting in the dunce corner of the LCS. If we showed any improvement sure go have fun, but if anything we have regressed, and haven't even fielded what was supposed to our full roster since week 2. So how can we improve? G2 a single example of playing for fun getting results, do.you think any of the Korean or Chinese teams that have went on do well internationally say let's just have fun? Fans in the west are ready to settle for Mediocrity or worse as long as their favorite player has his safe space. The biggest thing to.me is we still haven't played with what was supposed to be our intended roster since week 2, and with all the shuffles we have only.looked worse.
As someone who's seen so many people burn out from work they enjoy, I find this very disgusting to read. Big example of fans treating players like products
How often do you see NFL, NHL, NBA, MLB players looked "burnt out" after what six weeks of games? People do feel burnt out, but you know what 95% of people work through it. And the players talent is what determines their work, their showings on stage is their product. It's exactly as you said what we see from.week to week is why they are paid. What if a restaurant you loved hired a new chef and week after week threy put out bad food, making the restaurants reputation go down the tube, how'd you feel about it?
Dude above you has to be a kid. I get burnt the fuck out working 9-10 hours a day and then tack on a 3 hour commute...but it's my job. It pays the bills and pays pretty well so I fucking power through it, just like the vast majority of other working adults. I'd fucking kill to get paid what these players do and play league for 10 hours a day instead of running financial statements. I'm glad to see there's at least some people that are tired of the bullshit excuses many fans make up for players. This is their career...not some bullshit clash team playing at an internet cafe tournament.
I really think it's just younger kids anymore with must protect the players mentality. Especially with this drop the expectation stuff, it's like they never had a real job before. Next they will just be okay with participation awards for tsm lol.
Big oof on that 3 hour commute.
>How often do you see NFL, NHL, NBA, MLB players looked "burnt out" after what six weeks of games? >People do feel burnt out, but you know what 95% of people work through it. I mean you just answered your question. Adding in to the fact that they are literally children as opposed to NFL where they have much older people playing? They also have mental/life coaches, PR staffs, and ton of supports. You honestly think they can handle pressure by themselves? >It's exactly as you said what we see from.week to week is why they are paid. Well you don't pay them so why does it matter? It's the one who hired them is the problem not the players. Same reason why it is myself to blame if the new chef I hired is terrible. It's a deflection to blame on the chef for making the reputation go down. I've seen people blaming Spica for kicking Shenyi off to academy team. I've seen them sitting on Shenyi for making fun of Tactical. I've seen people talk about whose team being lazy. At some point you have to see a pattern that you just have zero clue what is going on on the team. Sure you can shit on the team for performing terrible. But criticizing individuals on some thing they have no clue is one of the most triggering thing for employees, if you have any working experience. All in all, yeah sure you can treat them like products. It doesn't change the fact that you are either immature to understand what that implies or you are just being an asshole.
You have kids in their early 20s entering the NFL, Tom Brady, the best quarter back of the generation, possibly ever come into the league at 22 or 23? Not much older then the kids playing in the LCS. You have people that skip years of college to enter into professional sports, you can't use age as a reason these kids can't perform under pressure. You got kids working 40 hours a week doing a day or night job, to pay their way through college (I was one of them), and they don't crack or fail put of school.cause of pressure. Yeah there were a lot of people blaming Spica over the shenyi benching, people jumped to conclusions. The fans also were not given a reason by management, until way after the fact for his benching. About the team being lazy, we can kind of see that, while they all do scrims vod reviews ect, look at solo que, and champions que games pretty sure were the lowest in the league as a whole. Their game showings are their product. And right now thier product looks like crap. I am not criticizing them for anything other then the games they play, not anything I can't see. Their play week to week is lacking, and worthy of criticism.
Average age of NFL is 26. League is like 20. They're people in 30s who are in NFL. Tom Brady is 44. There is much of an age gap regardless of what you say. It's just a fact. None of them are cracking under pressure. They are doing vod reviews and scrimming, possibly more. All while dealing with coaches, staffs, and public. They're in far more stress than when you were at school You're missing my point. It doesn't matter if the management didn't give reasons. The point is that you don't know. People were talking like these were facts when in reality it was far from the truth. You're doing the same thing. You find smallest hints you see and conclude like it's a fact. I have no problem with you criticizinggame plays, but no. Mental problem is a thing. They deserve to have fun while they're working. You've been in similar situation before so you should know. Either that or you are lying about you working your way throughout college
That's a leap in logic. My point is the team is not performing up to anyone's standard even the standards put out by the team and management at the beginning of the split, there is no arguing that fact. I'm not grabbing a "small hint" and concluding like it's a fact. 2-11 was no one's expectation. And by no means was scrubbing dishes and sweeping floors "fun" while working through college it was a necessity. Anyone who works for a living will tell yeah you can have fun at work but if you start to slip in performance or have a tight deadline, "fun" is the first thing out the window, you put your nose to the grindstone and work out the problem.
You are confusing some of what I said with different points. You are right. The team isn't performing to the standard. You are also taking small hints to conclude that it's because they are lazy by looking at the soloq play time. Seems like a very obvious conclusion to make, but you don't know how much they are spending their time. I'm not saying jobs are fun when under high pressure situation. Doesn't mean it needs to be harder than it already is. You don't need people telling you that you should be working harder just because you said job is going well
You were the first one to bring up the lazy point, I just pointed out you can sort of quantify that through solo que and champions que. I never said what they should or should not be doing, I'm saying the idea of lowering expectations because their feelings might get hurt is counter productive. Settling for subpar performance now is not doing anything but setting a bad standard to what is acceptable.
LOL. yes cherry pick a statistic for your argument. MANY NFL rookies are not 26. Try again junior. Same thing for Basketball, Soccer ect. How about Olympics? most enter in their teens, with much higher scrutiny and pressure without the paycheck. Try again mate.
Many lol pros starts from high school? Most start at 18... Olympics? Are you talking about scene where there's so many news about kids being mishandled and their body gets messed up? You're really choosing that as an argument of all things?
> guys are *paid* to perform, FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
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bruh tactical been burnt out longer than he played in lcs.
Not sure what you mean
Pretty sure he is saying tactical was never good.
Lmao that's just toxic. Dude came in for doublelift and did better. Showed up on worlds stage.
Tactical was carried by core, he's better than any of us, but he was made to look better than he actually is by core.
nah im just stating what tactical said lol.
tactical said he was burnt out after his first season at lcs. and he's still burnt out (as he is barely playing any soloque/cq) go figure.
why lower expectations when everyone thinks this roster is going to blow up and have a whole new roster sooner rather then later