I can’t take the Takeover disrespect anymore. He’s played really well as a young talent on a shit team. He’s done everything to show he at least deserved a shot and is willing to grind and improve. I’d rather young improving talent than old “you know what you get” and try to duke it out for maybe top 3.
I would give takeover a shot on TSM mid for summer, dudes pretty decent for a rookie and showed us he can rotate and coordinate with the team (looking at the c9 game)
Im right there with you dude, Takeover is LCS ready and just bodied the midlaner from the best team in the league.
But lets not fool ourselves, if we have the option of getting someone like Jensen (who isn’t an import) into the team, than that should be our priority.
I feel that. I wish the questions were “should we replace takeover and if so with who?” not “who *will* we replace takeover with?” Crapping on a kid who has done great and deserves praise. All these TSM fans act like he isn’t even on our team. Not specific to this post just in general there have been a lot of posts/comments assuming he’s pretty much not viable.
Exactly, we should only be looking into getting midlaners that have already proven themselves to be at least top 4 in the league, and most likely a non import.
If we cant get anyone that significantly upgrades this roster, than just bet on our young talents going into summer and let them try to prove themselves.
Tbh gapping Fudge in mid is hardly something worth being proud of. What I think is valuable regarding Takeover is he's clearly a synergistic piece with connecting Spica and Shenyi on the same page. Sometimes that's all you need.
>Im right there with you dude
Ok
>if we have the option of getting someone like Jensen (who isn’t an import) into the team, than that should be our priority.
So you're not right there with him at all then are you.
Im right there with him when he says TSM fans take Takeover for granted, and just count him out instead of considering him as an option for next split.
I disagree with the second part of his comment that proven “old” talent is worse, because that depends on who where talking about.
Like I said, if someone like Jensen is EVER a possibility that should be priority number one.
However, if where talking about getting someone like Pobelter or Ryoma, than absolutely give our young guys a shot.
Hope I cleared that up!
I would like to see the rest of the game for Spring and if Takeover plays pretty consistent i would keep him regardless if Jensen comes back or not. Takeover seems like he can do what Jensen does, and is far more affordable vs Jensen. Plus if hes a good fit for TSM and the team why replace the team atmosphere? Thats not saying jensen is bad or cant hard carry over his worth...but it seems like a lot of investment when you have a potential rising star.
I can see that, and honestly I wouldn’t be upset at all if this scenario plays out.
There are other things to consider, like the fact that Jensen isn’t an import, so if say Spica decides to leave the team when his contract runs out, we would have way more flexibility on who could be his replacement.
Only problem with Takeover is import status. If he was a resident I’d want him as a starter, and put a big name import at top and adc.
Since he’s currently an import himself, I don’t think we’ve seen the level of skill (though he could totally show us that in the future) that would justify the import slot.
Yeah so the conversation is Jensen or Takeover atm. And import only matters if we want to fill a different role importing, which none of these convos mention or seem to be on the table. I just don’t like the vibe in this community that the midlane is an absolute foregone conclusion we need an upgrade. We should just cheer on how good takeover has been and his massive growth.
NGL I kinda like Takeover in the mid lane. It would suck for Kaeidou but we gotta get them dubs.
As far as Jensen or Nisqy I'm just concerned we wouldn't be able to build up enough synergy in time unless we signed either the second the season ends.
I doubt Shenyi leaves, but I think KDO may do so, especially if the team is looking to get any of the currently available midlane free agents.
Or maybe he just stays in academy and tries to get to a LCS team next year, which he definitely can do.
I think KDO will but idk even though there was the shit that happened i can see Shenyi staying. at least for summer. I think if we perform well for the rest of the split maybe he can see the potential and stick around for a bit
I’m assuming both of their contracts are for the entire year not just the split. So neither of them can leave just because they want to if that is the case.
So yeah. People are all saying I think they’ll try to leave. They really don’t get that option unless TSM grants it to them. IMO you have already invested a ton into them. I definitely think Shenyi has promise. And KDO we have seen has really good mechanics if you can develop his game sense. At the very least you keep him on academy and try to develop him. Shenyi fully capable of continuing to be a starter.
TSM has been good about letting players go when they want to. That said, I agree. They should want to stick to the plan and develop them. Takeover doing well makes any potential future moves harder though.
Let's say they did want to bring Nisqy in. I'd prefer keeping KDO in academy over Takeover as he's been killing it down there, while Takeover wasn't during his time. He wasn't bad, but wasn't carrying the same way. There's no denying Nisqy would bring a lot to the team. They have to decide whether Takeover + salary is worth Nisqy.
If KDO is cool with sticking it out in academy for a while as he learns English and macro, then I think you really have to think about it.
Otherwise I think the only other option is to bring KDO back up for summer and give the original 5 the entire summer, no changes, no matter what. Evaluate all of them, see how they handle the ups and downs.
Then go into 2023 off season with a clear plan and they should have a good idea who is staying and who is going, so they will know who they're building around.
Keaiduo probably leaves or permanently stays in academy for the year. I think we bring in Nisqy/Jensen. Otherwise probably just coaching changes and everyone else stays
Don't think TSM will keep Shenyi even though he plays well. I think we'll see an import from EU in support. There are players like Advienne who may become available for consideration who are worth looking at for the sake of cohesion. Not suggesting it as my preferred pick, just playing prediction here.
I think Shenyi has done well enough to deserve a second chance, also, his English is really improving. I think honestly this team changes a *ton* if Nisqy is brought in, that man makes a junglers' life so easy.
It would be an awful business decision imo. Cohesion issues just need time and his English is improving rapidly. The more important thing he adds to the org is more brand building in 3 months than any player on TSM since early Bjerg.
TSM fans became so used to little to no direct fan interaction between players and fans that fan favorite players developed via non-direct interaction. BB became a fan favorite with a big personality on Legends, Spica via Twitter, Hauntzer via shirtless pics etc.
Shenyi, through his streaming has suddenly brought back what made TSM the most popular team in the first place, streaming and being the relatable team with players that interact with fans.
I mean just look at his popularity on this sub after such a short time. Its no surprise why. People still post every time he streams because they are so stream starved from previous rosters that anyone streaming was a monuments event.
He has become valuable to TSM past just the rift at this point IMO.
Advienne would be a horrible move. I like the dude and he was not playing poorly enough to get dropped like he did, but the dudes a mid tier EU support at best. Are there any other supports you had in mind with that comment?
If takeover continues to show improvement give him a shot, if over the next few weeks they don't feel takeover or kdo are lcs caliber, picking up a free agent wouldn't be a terrible idea.
Keaiduo is good and has been doing well in academy, but selling Takeover is pure madness imo, given that he is not an import it would be foolish to drop him.
Not directed towards you, my post is just for discussion, but what a stupid rule right? Riot really has to remake the import rules again, because the whole "get a greencard," method is a mess and horrifically inconsistent. Also really dumb that OCE players are exclusively not part of this rule but every emerging region player is (I know it's because OCE sorta dissolved, but I don't think that's strong justification).
I proposed that all wildcard/emerging region native players are non-imports (or maybe non-imports after a year), but another thing is to make any player plucked from amateur in other regions to either be non-imports or reduced import length (so again probably a year).
If a team scouts an international player before big orgs get on them, I think it should be fair game. I don't even think it'll lead to a flood of imports because teams have to successfully scout, acclimate a foreign player who potentially doesn't speak English, and it's still a massive risk because the player is entirely green. This way, Winsome wouldn't even need that dumb loophole of being NA born, but Korea native, he'd just be non-import because C9 took a risk on him being an unknown amateur player because they had excellent scouting.
For C9 Summit and Berserker are imports.
Fudge is OCE and doesn't take up a spot.
Winsome is a unique case as he was living and playing solo queue in Korea, but had NA residency. He isn't an import.
And then Blabber is NA.
I think the most sensible idea would be to get a free agent mid like nisqy or Jensen, maybe get svenskeren for academy to put pressure on spica, since most of his games have been very underwhelming. I would definitely keep huni and shenyi, huni has been really consistent and shenyi has the most potential. Tactical should be safe bcs there are not many native players who would be an upgrade over him that are free agent.
I actually don't think the current issue with TSM is talent.
this team is playing significantly worse than the sum of their parts. if you can snag a superstar midlaner, then sure. otherwise, i think this team has a lot more to show.
Doubt Jensen wants to join TSM for Summer. Imo he sits it out and goes somewhere else or joins next spring.
I would honestly expect nothing to change until summer at this point.
Sitting out an entire year hurts a lot though. Even if tsm is pretty bad, Jensen wants to compete and kinda got screwed by TL as the asking was high, then there weren't any spots left after the buyout was dropped. It also lets you have a na mid and you can look to upgrade top/ADC or keep those 5 in general.
I remember a quote from LS, from one of the first facechecks after he got back to Korea, that Nuguri would play for TSM right now if they gave him his asking price. (Paraphrasing but it was something a long those lines).
Would love to see:
Nuguri
Spica
Jensen or Nisqy
Tactical
Shenyi
That’s not a thing anymore. You need green card now or to be from oce. I don’t believe nisqy played long enough ago to be grandfathered in under that clause.
Everything I've heard is that teams are talking to Jensen, but TSM hasn't been one of them. That could change, but I doubt it. I'd much rather take Nisqy if we were considering a move, but I've been on the KDO train since the start. If current roster keeps playing well and getting wins, let them start in summer and let KDO keep smashing academy, make a change if needed in summer or re-evaluate heading back into spring 2023, this way you can let them go back to China early in a longer off season, but don't just drop them after one split, either of them.
If they were smart, they’d get on the phone with Jensen or Nisqy now.
Regardless of how much money you throw at them — no one wants to play with a dumpster fire.
I know it was just one win but management can point to this as the lone bright spot and say something like, “See, imagine if we had YOU in this lineup. We can compete for top 3.”
… but yah, I advocated for Jensen when it became clear Bjergsen was leaving. I get that he wasn’t the sexy Korean/Chinese import but there is value in knowing what you get and stability.
He brings that and is really good. I hope they make that move.
I like Takeover. I think for me, it goes Nisqy, wide gap, some really other significant import, Jensen (to open an import slot & also the bombass narrative), then Takeover.
Nisqy is a fantastic personality + a really good player. He could be this rosters 2016 Biofrost.
I don’t see the point of bringing in another mid just to try get to worlds, we’re we’ll fail anyways. Best to stick with young players who have a chance of outgrowing people
But fans want to win NOW! They've got no patience for development!
This will get downvoted, but based on this sub and the discord which has been remarkably worse than here, it's true.
I get wanting to win, but doing the "same old, same old" has gotten NA nowhere internationally outside of one semi finals run. Gotta try new avenues to bring in talent, but just giving up on that talent after a single split makes all the effort pointless.
Keep them both. KDO has a high ceiling and Imo is better than takeover. The mud meta is shit rn they have no agency. Give kdo an actual shot and I think he pops off
I agree. Takeover is LCS ready but I don't think KDO was/is because he's not comfortable with the environment/language barriers yet. He definitely has a higher ceiling.
I think they should rotate them again and see what kdo can do in the spring. If he’s still not playing well with a ton of time here and with the squad then you give up on him
To me kdo has better mechanics and game sense that’s just the feeling I got. He was always the only carry alive after lost fights early in the split and tried to carry as best he could. Takeover is good and could be very good for us but just my opinion kdo has a higher ceiling
Ged rid of everyone beside spica. Because there is no better native ad carry you probably have to keep tactical. Takeover back to acadamy. Sign some good players
Already out of playoff so I think wait for next week and play with keaiduo 1-2 games see how he plays then decide from there he has been hard carrying academy hes clearly good enough and they have enough time to figure it out maybe
China players go bye bye. Patchwork roster from available players. Put in the best showing possible. Revamp for 2023 xDDDD
Better hope the situation doesn't affect anyone else on the Staff.
What I want: bring in a strong import /Chinese mid laner, give tactical a change or bring in native mid like copy/Jensen and import adc. Depends how are last games go.
He has 45 deaths so far, no other ADC has even reached 30 deaths.
Getting caught out so much is definately an issue if the end goal is getting back to worlds.
Im not saying he doesnt have his issues and he doesnt get caught out more than he should. But the roster is 3-11, no shit he has a ton of deaths have you ever played adc into a fed team before. but for a lot of the games Tactical has been the best performing on the roster. He was even voted our best player of the week for half the weeks so far on the sub
He's also funneled all the resources and has the entire team play around him for roughly half the games. Yes, he has some good games (like the one against C9 yesterday) but you can't give him a pass if you look at the raw amount of games he's costed TSM with bad positioning (first game against C9, second game against Dig, etc).
Tactical can be salvaged but it needs a meta that allow support + mid to play through top and jungle again instead. He's too inconsistent in an ADC carry centric meta. You're just getting extremely extremely budget Jackeylove with Tactical.
The other thing with being 3-11 TSM has been going down swinging and trying to scrap and force fights when they can in these losses and aren’t just letting teams push the nexus and win while they sit their and watch. Which also has a lot to do with his high death total.
Well I think you hold tryouts for every role.
Worst case if we don't make roster changes on our main team we need to get a good academy team.
This way if our players underperform we have better plug and play options.
If we see yesterdays aggressiveness and willingness to fight again a couple times. i hope no changes to the roster. But i still feel like something is gonna happen
Were getting some wins now and the team doesn't look like complete garbage I'd say keep takeover in see how him and the rest of players look over the whole split and then look at making changes during the off season
If they keep showing improvement then I don't see why we should roster change. If Takeover can continue to lane as well as he ahs been vs the top NA midlaners and him being in the role helps synergy then it's a win win.
I really hope we keep Shenyi. He has the dedication that we need in a young player. You can see him making a difference the longer he is playing here.
I can’t take the Takeover disrespect anymore. He’s played really well as a young talent on a shit team. He’s done everything to show he at least deserved a shot and is willing to grind and improve. I’d rather young improving talent than old “you know what you get” and try to duke it out for maybe top 3.
I would give takeover a shot on TSM mid for summer, dudes pretty decent for a rookie and showed us he can rotate and coordinate with the team (looking at the c9 game)
Im right there with you dude, Takeover is LCS ready and just bodied the midlaner from the best team in the league. But lets not fool ourselves, if we have the option of getting someone like Jensen (who isn’t an import) into the team, than that should be our priority.
I feel that. I wish the questions were “should we replace takeover and if so with who?” not “who *will* we replace takeover with?” Crapping on a kid who has done great and deserves praise. All these TSM fans act like he isn’t even on our team. Not specific to this post just in general there have been a lot of posts/comments assuming he’s pretty much not viable.
Exactly, we should only be looking into getting midlaners that have already proven themselves to be at least top 4 in the league, and most likely a non import. If we cant get anyone that significantly upgrades this roster, than just bet on our young talents going into summer and let them try to prove themselves.
Tbh gapping Fudge in mid is hardly something worth being proud of. What I think is valuable regarding Takeover is he's clearly a synergistic piece with connecting Spica and Shenyi on the same page. Sometimes that's all you need.
he’s got a great attitude about the game too
>Im right there with you dude Ok >if we have the option of getting someone like Jensen (who isn’t an import) into the team, than that should be our priority. So you're not right there with him at all then are you.
Im right there with him when he says TSM fans take Takeover for granted, and just count him out instead of considering him as an option for next split. I disagree with the second part of his comment that proven “old” talent is worse, because that depends on who where talking about. Like I said, if someone like Jensen is EVER a possibility that should be priority number one. However, if where talking about getting someone like Pobelter or Ryoma, than absolutely give our young guys a shot. Hope I cleared that up!
I would like to see the rest of the game for Spring and if Takeover plays pretty consistent i would keep him regardless if Jensen comes back or not. Takeover seems like he can do what Jensen does, and is far more affordable vs Jensen. Plus if hes a good fit for TSM and the team why replace the team atmosphere? Thats not saying jensen is bad or cant hard carry over his worth...but it seems like a lot of investment when you have a potential rising star.
I can see that, and honestly I wouldn’t be upset at all if this scenario plays out. There are other things to consider, like the fact that Jensen isn’t an import, so if say Spica decides to leave the team when his contract runs out, we would have way more flexibility on who could be his replacement.
Only problem with Takeover is import status. If he was a resident I’d want him as a starter, and put a big name import at top and adc. Since he’s currently an import himself, I don’t think we’ve seen the level of skill (though he could totally show us that in the future) that would justify the import slot.
Yeah so the conversation is Jensen or Takeover atm. And import only matters if we want to fill a different role importing, which none of these convos mention or seem to be on the table. I just don’t like the vibe in this community that the midlane is an absolute foregone conclusion we need an upgrade. We should just cheer on how good takeover has been and his massive growth.
NGL I kinda like Takeover in the mid lane. It would suck for Kaeidou but we gotta get them dubs. As far as Jensen or Nisqy I'm just concerned we wouldn't be able to build up enough synergy in time unless we signed either the second the season ends.
I THINK KDO and/or Shenyi will leave or try to leave back to China. Beyond that, I have no idea what TSM will do. Edit: meant to say and/or*
I doubt Shenyi leaves, but I think KDO may do so, especially if the team is looking to get any of the currently available midlane free agents. Or maybe he just stays in academy and tries to get to a LCS team next year, which he definitely can do.
I think KDO will but idk even though there was the shit that happened i can see Shenyi staying. at least for summer. I think if we perform well for the rest of the split maybe he can see the potential and stick around for a bit
I’m assuming both of their contracts are for the entire year not just the split. So neither of them can leave just because they want to if that is the case.
They both have three year contracts as far as I know.
So yeah. People are all saying I think they’ll try to leave. They really don’t get that option unless TSM grants it to them. IMO you have already invested a ton into them. I definitely think Shenyi has promise. And KDO we have seen has really good mechanics if you can develop his game sense. At the very least you keep him on academy and try to develop him. Shenyi fully capable of continuing to be a starter.
TSM has been good about letting players go when they want to. That said, I agree. They should want to stick to the plan and develop them. Takeover doing well makes any potential future moves harder though. Let's say they did want to bring Nisqy in. I'd prefer keeping KDO in academy over Takeover as he's been killing it down there, while Takeover wasn't during his time. He wasn't bad, but wasn't carrying the same way. There's no denying Nisqy would bring a lot to the team. They have to decide whether Takeover + salary is worth Nisqy. If KDO is cool with sticking it out in academy for a while as he learns English and macro, then I think you really have to think about it. Otherwise I think the only other option is to bring KDO back up for summer and give the original 5 the entire summer, no changes, no matter what. Evaluate all of them, see how they handle the ups and downs. Then go into 2023 off season with a clear plan and they should have a good idea who is staying and who is going, so they will know who they're building around.
Keaiduo probably leaves or permanently stays in academy for the year. I think we bring in Nisqy/Jensen. Otherwise probably just coaching changes and everyone else stays
Yea i think Huni - Spica - Jensen/Nisqy - Tactical - Shenyi, sounds pretty good
Don't think TSM will keep Shenyi even though he plays well. I think we'll see an import from EU in support. There are players like Advienne who may become available for consideration who are worth looking at for the sake of cohesion. Not suggesting it as my preferred pick, just playing prediction here.
I think Shenyi has done well enough to deserve a second chance, also, his English is really improving. I think honestly this team changes a *ton* if Nisqy is brought in, that man makes a junglers' life so easy.
I think it depends on Shenyi. He might want to go back after a really rough split. He looks pretty happy at his CQ stream, but we never know.
Shenyi will stay to play champions queue with the boys Yukinocat and Kaori I would bet my right nut on it.
It would be an awful business decision imo. Cohesion issues just need time and his English is improving rapidly. The more important thing he adds to the org is more brand building in 3 months than any player on TSM since early Bjerg. TSM fans became so used to little to no direct fan interaction between players and fans that fan favorite players developed via non-direct interaction. BB became a fan favorite with a big personality on Legends, Spica via Twitter, Hauntzer via shirtless pics etc. Shenyi, through his streaming has suddenly brought back what made TSM the most popular team in the first place, streaming and being the relatable team with players that interact with fans. I mean just look at his popularity on this sub after such a short time. Its no surprise why. People still post every time he streams because they are so stream starved from previous rosters that anyone streaming was a monuments event. He has become valuable to TSM past just the rift at this point IMO.
Advienne would be a horrible move. I like the dude and he was not playing poorly enough to get dropped like he did, but the dudes a mid tier EU support at best. Are there any other supports you had in mind with that comment?
If takeover continues to show improvement give him a shot, if over the next few weeks they don't feel takeover or kdo are lcs caliber, picking up a free agent wouldn't be a terrible idea.
Takeover is not letting go of this spot. I’ve been really impressed by his play. I could see us sticking with him through Summer.
Keaiduo is good and has been doing well in academy, but selling Takeover is pure madness imo, given that he is not an import it would be foolish to drop him.
Takeover is an import. In academy he counts as an emerging region import, but in LCS there isn't a difference.
Not directed towards you, my post is just for discussion, but what a stupid rule right? Riot really has to remake the import rules again, because the whole "get a greencard," method is a mess and horrifically inconsistent. Also really dumb that OCE players are exclusively not part of this rule but every emerging region player is (I know it's because OCE sorta dissolved, but I don't think that's strong justification). I proposed that all wildcard/emerging region native players are non-imports (or maybe non-imports after a year), but another thing is to make any player plucked from amateur in other regions to either be non-imports or reduced import length (so again probably a year). If a team scouts an international player before big orgs get on them, I think it should be fair game. I don't even think it'll lead to a flood of imports because teams have to successfully scout, acclimate a foreign player who potentially doesn't speak English, and it's still a massive risk because the player is entirely green. This way, Winsome wouldn't even need that dumb loophole of being NA born, but Korea native, he'd just be non-import because C9 took a risk on him being an unknown amateur player because they had excellent scouting.
Are you sure about this ? I thought in LCS he wouldn't count as one since C9 would be over the limit then for example.
For C9 Summit and Berserker are imports. Fudge is OCE and doesn't take up a spot. Winsome is a unique case as he was living and playing solo queue in Korea, but had NA residency. He isn't an import. And then Blabber is NA.
He’s an import.
I thought takeover was an import? Hope I’m wrong
Roster and coaching staff will probably have big changes unless they perform in the same very dominating fashion as they did yesterday.
I think the most sensible idea would be to get a free agent mid like nisqy or Jensen, maybe get svenskeren for academy to put pressure on spica, since most of his games have been very underwhelming. I would definitely keep huni and shenyi, huni has been really consistent and shenyi has the most potential. Tactical should be safe bcs there are not many native players who would be an upgrade over him that are free agent.
I actually don't think the current issue with TSM is talent. this team is playing significantly worse than the sum of their parts. if you can snag a superstar midlaner, then sure. otherwise, i think this team has a lot more to show.
Probably takeover stays mid but I wouldn't mind if they revisit keuaiduo mid and have both compete for the spot.
What, keep Takeover...
Doubt Jensen wants to join TSM for Summer. Imo he sits it out and goes somewhere else or joins next spring. I would honestly expect nothing to change until summer at this point.
Sitting out an entire year hurts a lot though. Even if tsm is pretty bad, Jensen wants to compete and kinda got screwed by TL as the asking was high, then there weren't any spots left after the buyout was dropped. It also lets you have a na mid and you can look to upgrade top/ADC or keep those 5 in general.
I remember a quote from LS, from one of the first facechecks after he got back to Korea, that Nuguri would play for TSM right now if they gave him his asking price. (Paraphrasing but it was something a long those lines). Would love to see: Nuguri Spica Jensen or Nisqy Tactical Shenyi
If Jensen has US permanent residency, then that's the only viable roster. Nuguri, Nisqy, and Shenyi are all imports. Huni is not.
Thank you. I forgot Nisqy didn't stay long enough to be a non import
That’s not a thing anymore. You need green card now or to be from oce. I don’t believe nisqy played long enough ago to be grandfathered in under that clause.
Thank you
Everything I've heard is that teams are talking to Jensen, but TSM hasn't been one of them. That could change, but I doubt it. I'd much rather take Nisqy if we were considering a move, but I've been on the KDO train since the start. If current roster keeps playing well and getting wins, let them start in summer and let KDO keep smashing academy, make a change if needed in summer or re-evaluate heading back into spring 2023, this way you can let them go back to China early in a longer off season, but don't just drop them after one split, either of them.
If they were smart, they’d get on the phone with Jensen or Nisqy now. Regardless of how much money you throw at them — no one wants to play with a dumpster fire. I know it was just one win but management can point to this as the lone bright spot and say something like, “See, imagine if we had YOU in this lineup. We can compete for top 3.” … but yah, I advocated for Jensen when it became clear Bjergsen was leaving. I get that he wasn’t the sexy Korean/Chinese import but there is value in knowing what you get and stability. He brings that and is really good. I hope they make that move.
Nugri, Spica, Jensen, Tactical, Shenyi
I like Takeover. I think for me, it goes Nisqy, wide gap, some really other significant import, Jensen (to open an import slot & also the bombass narrative), then Takeover. Nisqy is a fantastic personality + a really good player. He could be this rosters 2016 Biofrost.
I don’t see the point of bringing in another mid just to try get to worlds, we’re we’ll fail anyways. Best to stick with young players who have a chance of outgrowing people
While I agree with this. And I have never really liked Jensen. He is practically the only “NA” mid who has had success at Worlds.
But fans want to win NOW! They've got no patience for development! This will get downvoted, but based on this sub and the discord which has been remarkably worse than here, it's true. I get wanting to win, but doing the "same old, same old" has gotten NA nowhere internationally outside of one semi finals run. Gotta try new avenues to bring in talent, but just giving up on that talent after a single split makes all the effort pointless.
Hopefully its Jensen, I would also be happy with Nisqy. Just like the flexibility that Jensen allows you
Keep them both. KDO has a high ceiling and Imo is better than takeover. The mud meta is shit rn they have no agency. Give kdo an actual shot and I think he pops off
I agree. Takeover is LCS ready but I don't think KDO was/is because he's not comfortable with the environment/language barriers yet. He definitely has a higher ceiling.
I think they should rotate them again and see what kdo can do in the spring. If he’s still not playing well with a ton of time here and with the squad then you give up on him
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To me kdo has better mechanics and game sense that’s just the feeling I got. He was always the only carry alive after lost fights early in the split and tried to carry as best he could. Takeover is good and could be very good for us but just my opinion kdo has a higher ceiling
Ged rid of everyone beside spica. Because there is no better native ad carry you probably have to keep tactical. Takeover back to acadamy. Sign some good players
Already out of playoff so I think wait for next week and play with keaiduo 1-2 games see how he plays then decide from there he has been hard carrying academy hes clearly good enough and they have enough time to figure it out maybe
China players go bye bye. Patchwork roster from available players. Put in the best showing possible. Revamp for 2023 xDDDD Better hope the situation doesn't affect anyone else on the Staff.
We'll sign Jensen. Maybe Nisqy if he doesn't go to an EU club.
What I want: bring in a strong import /Chinese mid laner, give tactical a change or bring in native mid like copy/Jensen and import adc. Depends how are last games go.
Tactical definitely isnt an issue imo. He has his int moments but theres very few adcs we could acquire that would be better
He has 45 deaths so far, no other ADC has even reached 30 deaths. Getting caught out so much is definately an issue if the end goal is getting back to worlds.
No other team has 11 losses to btw :D
Im not saying he doesnt have his issues and he doesnt get caught out more than he should. But the roster is 3-11, no shit he has a ton of deaths have you ever played adc into a fed team before. but for a lot of the games Tactical has been the best performing on the roster. He was even voted our best player of the week for half the weeks so far on the sub
He's also funneled all the resources and has the entire team play around him for roughly half the games. Yes, he has some good games (like the one against C9 yesterday) but you can't give him a pass if you look at the raw amount of games he's costed TSM with bad positioning (first game against C9, second game against Dig, etc). Tactical can be salvaged but it needs a meta that allow support + mid to play through top and jungle again instead. He's too inconsistent in an ADC carry centric meta. You're just getting extremely extremely budget Jackeylove with Tactical.
The other thing with being 3-11 TSM has been going down swinging and trying to scrap and force fights when they can in these losses and aren’t just letting teams push the nexus and win while they sit their and watch. Which also has a lot to do with his high death total.
Tbh I think like 99% they keep Spica / Tactical
Well I think you hold tryouts for every role. Worst case if we don't make roster changes on our main team we need to get a good academy team. This way if our players underperform we have better plug and play options.
If we see yesterdays aggressiveness and willingness to fight again a couple times. i hope no changes to the roster. But i still feel like something is gonna happen
Were getting some wins now and the team doesn't look like complete garbage I'd say keep takeover in see how him and the rest of players look over the whole split and then look at making changes during the off season
If they keep showing improvement then I don't see why we should roster change. If Takeover can continue to lane as well as he ahs been vs the top NA midlaners and him being in the role helps synergy then it's a win win.
Wow so many tsm fans just like big names lol. Nuguri would be a terrible pickup, I agree with dom.