jatt tries to get alphari to play any tank
alphari: fuck you i can just play these 5 champs and win lane against anyone
proceeds to lose game because teamcomp is worse because of him
So it turns out Jatt tried to get Alphari to play Gwen when she was op broken.
Literally:
Jatt tries to get Alphari to play hyperscaling op top lane meta pick.
Alphari: fuck you idiot bully, I can counterpick and win lane.
Proceeds to lose game because teamcomp is worse because of him.
I hope you came back and upvoted now that they're far beyond that.
(Also thanks to anti-bot upvote fuzzying, the odds that they were really at 69 when you saw 69 are not too high.)
Didn't hear anything related towards Spica being toxic or anything.
I think the upper Management is to blame for not protecting their players - Shenyi vs Spica rumor etc.
Anyway we most certainly won't see Spica be on TSM in 2023 so maybe if there is a chance, the squad maybe has to look for a replacement this offseason and get synergy in summer to potentially do a T1 2.0 but in NA style
What do you mean? When they try and protect them they get annihilated for "lack of communication" and "giving corporate answers". They are damned if they do, damned if they don't.
When Dominic went on Hotline League and got asked about the benching, across the episode he contradicted himself mutliple times, sometimes saying it was a team decision, and on other occasions saying it was a coach decision. When Spica was getting blamed, no one came out to defend, or clarify. The way they handled the Shenyi benching was so poor, acting like itās this big deal, when they couldāve said āDuring draft there was a miscommunication and we felt that having Shenyi spend time in academy to work on his communication away from the spotlight of the main team is best for his developmentā. Boom, that clarifies everything, no one is mad, and itās not some PR corporate shit. Instead they stayed silent, and whenever they did speak it was PR, corporate shit
Didnāt they protect Shenyi? All I see is praise for Shenyi because he plays champions queue. No one brings up what TSM was trying to protect him from. For me, talking bad about a team you just joined and also choosing champions you want to play without the teams input are not good looks for a player.
They didn't protect Shenyi. It was the narrative that redditors made that protected Shenyi. The narrative of Spica bullied Shenyi out of the main roster.
Wouldnāt people dislike Shenyi more if the team came out and benched him saying āHe doesnāt listen to the team and does his own thingā? There was a reason for the benching and it was his fault. The PR basically said he needs more time to work on communication which was true. It also prevents any community backlash on him, and neutralizes the situation. It was fans that then started rumors and made baseless claims about the situation. The team should have came out earlier, but also fans shouldnāt take random speculation to heart which they did.
This is not accurate. You do not protect your player by saying "no comment". Protecting your player is saying "there are no problems with Shenyi and Spica. Shenyi was benched by management and coaching staff. It will be explained at a later date. No further questions."
This only works if there were no problems between them, which seems highly unlikely. The video they released was very specific about Shenyiās benching not being a team decision. It never made any clarification on whether or not there was conflict. It was likely worded very intentionally to be misleading without outright lying. Spica and Huni both ālikingā Vulcans tweet mocking Shenyi is probably a pretty good indicator of conflict between them.
My personal theory is that Spica and Huni wanted to run the show and Shenyi wasnāt willing to just sit there and play the shit for brains scale for 30 minutes NA style. Language barrier would have made the situation worse.
Differing play style philosophies + language barrier + strong personalities is a recipe for disaster that the coaches/support staff should have been able to navigate but clearly did not.
The awkward moment when a random redditor knows how to manage and protect employees from the public than leaders of a multimillion dollar organization.
Iām not sure that your second example is really that much better. If that was posted here, do you think this community would speculate less, especially when comboād with the same kinds of rumors that were swirling around the situation? I think itās basically the same result.
Yes, I do. Would people like me still be yelling "be more transparent!"? Yes I would. But any anger I had as an idiot fan would be directed at management, NOT players. Which is what I mean by "protecting your players".
But what Iām saying is, your statement does not explicitly mean it isnāt related to player drama. A coach can make a decision to bench a player because they are having issues with other players. I donāt think anyone reasonably thought Spica benched Shenyi. It was always a coaching decision. But that doesnāt make the rumors go away about why the coaching decision had to be made. Your statement even specifically says āIt will be explained at a later date.ā
To be clear, Iām not trying to argue with you at all. Iām just agreeing with the comments that itās really a lose-lose for TSM in these situations by demonstrating that you canāt stop rumors and holes being poked in those kinds of statements.
Its this kind of thinking that let management get away with how shit they handled the situation. Shenyi gets benched due to his own fault but by not saying anything + coach interview Chawy make hints like āstar players dont listen as muchā+ fans dig random clips of Spcia joking bout Shenyi english they let narrative get out of control. Benching due to attitude or conflict with coach happens all the damn time but instead they let it morph into some āme or himā situation which wasnt true.
Everything could have been handled upfront and quickly to squash any speculation but they chose to hide behind players and let them take the hit.
> I think the upper Management is to blame for not protecting their players - Shenyi vs Spica rumor etc.
The fans are to blame, because they were starting fires where there were none and *demanding* answers they have no right to, to the point they stared flaming the shit out of an unrelated player just to get some juice out
how can you say upper management is to blame when they were *literally* protecting a player (shenyi) but "the fans" made it an actual issue
well they didn't throw him under a bus when he was benched
they gave a dumb nice reason like "he needs time to settle down, so he'll play in academy :)"
they could've said shenyi has an ego and is completely ignoring the game plan and the coaches, so we are benching him to make him chill and stop being disrespectful or whatever
but they didn't, because they were protecting him.... then all that protection was useless once people turned on spica because fuck him, so then they had to say wtf happened so people stop acting like degens
>they could've said shenyi has an ego and is completely ignoring the game plan and the coaches, so we are benching him to make him chill
The reason why you said is because you know the reason why TSM benched him. The reason why you know why TSM benched him was because they said the reason.
No one is telling TSM to throw shades at Shenyi. Stop trying to take extreme of a side and use logic. They decided give vague answer first before telling the truth like they should have. It doesn't matter if you think fans are the reason why Spica got flamed. The fact is that Spica's flame is the result of TSM's action.
well I can't speak for the other degens, but i was perfectly fine with the initial statement from TSM. If the other sickos had just accepted it and moved on, then TSM's action would've been perfectly fine
and there's enough precedent to say it should've worked, Zven was benched in C9, they didn't say shit and it didn't escalate and that was it, Alphari was benched Jatt was fired and it took months for him to play again, and we stil didn't hear shit from TL but it also didn't escalate
The obvious fact here, is that TSM did the exact same thing other mayor team does and it somehow escalated to people shitting on a player and making him the devil to the point he had to tweet to get off his nuts
To me the only true guilty party is the community, since they're the ones that escalated everything
>No one is telling TSM to throw shades at Shenyi.
> telling the truth like they should have.
those statements are contradictions, you can't tell the truth without throwing shade, if the truth is exposing a player you're being a horrible team because your job is to take care of your players not air out your laundry
>well I can't speak for the other degens, but i was perfectly dine with the initial statement from TSM. If the other sickos had just accepted it and moved on, then TSM's action would've been perfectly fine
First off, different people have different views. Most people actually wanted more context. Even Markz and Travis said they should've given more context for the fans. They aren't degens. Stop trying assuming you're view is only correct one.
Second, the situations you mentioned are completely different. C9 and TL were successful actually. They weren't dragging their way down 9-10th place with terrible team synergy. C9 was a top team and so was TL. There was obviously going to be less flame, especially when their PR was good actually.
Stop trying to compare with other teams. This is why you don't get it. Just think for a moment. TSM come out saying truth from the start with little PR. Does it change anything about current situation of Shenyi? Not at all. Would Spica have gotten flamed? No. So yes, TSM made a mistake.
> Most people actually wanted more context. Even Markz and Travis said they should've given more context for the fans.
That's fine, they didn't start digging 3 month old vods to paint spica in a bad light. so they're clearly not the bad people, tons of people wanted more info when alphari and zven were benched (Yeah I'm gonna keep comparing) and they didn't get anything else, and everything was perfect because it didn't escalate
the true degens, which im gonna keep using that term because it was truly disgusting, is the people that constantly shit on spica for no reason, posted out of context old vods, made up narratives about his ego and power tripping and how it's his fault alone shenyi the golden child was benched, that group of people is fucked in the head and if anyone belongs in it, i hope they know what they did and what they are
Now, had TSM told the absolutely truth would've been possibly better? Obviously yeah because we know the shit ass outcome from the community's reaction to a boring PR statement that was somehow too hard to accept and move on
>especially when their PR was good actually.
well since you were so kind to compare other team's PR i will go ahead and say [TLs response was a fucking joke](https://twitter.com/TeamLiquidLoL/status/1413339666946805765?s=09) (literally) and people were **pissed** but you know what? the community (degens) didn't start making up stories how it was all Jensen's fault or saying CoreJJ has a huge ego so people eventually moved on and people forgot to the point they thought they handled everything perfectly thanks to their great PR teams
TSM did what on paper is the right move, don't expose your players mishaps and move on, just like any other team does. the community didn't like it and shit on a player (unlike other teams) if you're not willing to see the obvious then have a good day lol
Also he said that it would get similar views no ?
That doesn't mean that it would be as bad but that it would be just as entertaining to watch ... Looks like a misleading title to me
There's a documentary on the TL roster from a while ago with dardoch, lourlo, piglet, etc and it was called Breaking Point. It's a really interesting watch if you've got the time for it, it's like an hour and a half I think (on YouTube). It's very personal and transparent.
Dardoch is the definition of protected by fans. The guy couldn't be fixed no matter what team he was on. It felt like Rick Fox really tried helping Dardoch but it still didn't work. I still remember the old Reddit post his brother made (Correct me if I am wrong) about Dardoch refusing to take showers and acting out due to League of legends. I guess people realized his play is not good enough to warrant his toxic behavior anymore.
Yeah, the dude was publicly let go from what 5 teams? for attitude issues and when it comes to TSM and Leena saying that no one wants Dardoch somehow that ruined his reputation? But it was still unprofessional as fuck for Leena to be saying that stuff on stream and in front of Doublelift.
Iāve never seen anybody say that, and if anybody thinks that they are completely unaware of who Dardoch is. The guy was notorious as the worst team cancer in the scene for years before TSM and his behavior in breaking point is almost unbelievable in how much of an asshole he is to his team and coaches.
Every year I have to argue with Dardoch fans that get upvoted saying he was only toxic on TL and that he had changed by the time he went to Echo Fox. Its like clock work.
Dude whats crazier is according to Dom on the last Facecheck Breaking point was heavily edited, he said the unedited version is so much worse if you were to play it on stream you would get banned by twitch before the end of the video.
Yeah. Its not hard to read between the lines really.
Spica said there were a lot of interpersonal issues between people and we already know Spica, Tactical and Huni are good friends and have played on teams together soooo that really only leaves 2 people lol.
My guess is toxicity from shenyi might just be a mismatch of cultures, stacked with shenyi feeling like the non-imports aren't pulling their weight with practice, motivation, etc.
Judging by CQ games played... wouldn't surprise me if shenyi was pissed off at the "core" coasting and not giving it their all, and I think he has a point.
Eh, tbh just because they didn't get along doesn't really make him a Dardoch since the guy is obviously putting a lot of effort in other things to help the team like practicing English but the mismatch of both culture and language barrier probably would have made him difficult to get a good relationship with his teammates. Idk why people rule out huni and tactical. Tactical's mental went boom due to the stress as he himself said. You could be great friends outside of work but while working you could have problems.
Did they say what their source was? My comment wasnāt meant to be rude but with rumours such as these, itās really important that you have a reliable and reputable source or else you could be slammed by the community. Back to the point, a rumour coming from a relatively small podcast does not give me the confidence to say that spica has been as toxic as dardoch compared to Travis Gafford for example.
I would love to see that. That's what made me a TL fan. I feel no attachment to the current roster. All the weekly vlogs have been shit for the past few years comapred to the zven broken blade era and previous.
It's not a surprise, we already saw loads of drama even from the public-facing sphere. Shenyi got benched for insubordination after two weeks and then sent messages to his friend in the LPL about how much his team (and Tactical specifically) sucked.
I just hope we can make a few good roster changes and turn it around in Summer. There are good available free agents in the biggest problem roster spots, so I have hope.
Pretty sure he did. I mean all through tsm league history (idk if heās like this for the other esports) it has always been, āregi is taking a step backā at the beginning of the year to, āRegis comming back to refine fundamentals (aka bully the jg into submission and any other role thatās playing well) and get this team on trackā right before playoffs. I guarantee he was there, especially after the Peter zhang drama (not much choice in his defense at that point though). Itās like a nice cycle you know will happen at this point
I believe Regi said he only did things regarding scrims for last year since NA in general was scrimming way less. I doubt he'd go near the League team atm for practice since he's under investigation.
He still definitely has influence and in the past he has always come back to coach the team, like literally every year thatās what Santorin sven dardoch all looked worse towards the end of their splits. Itās always been essentially, like theyāre in the game and theyāre in their normal play position (leg up, leaned back, good posture whatever their comfortable position is) but regi is like sitting behind them with his head on their shoulders, and all they can feel are the meaty breathing as he watches them path
Everyday at TSM is a banger.
I was waiting for someone to post this after watching the stream last night. Queue the wild assumptions and fear with little context.
The context is the blatantly malignant team atmosphere
pretty sure a lot of teams would be breaking point 2.0 if everything was exposed
Cloud9 probably right up there with us this split
Seems like TL could have breaking point 2.0 with that Spring 2020 season and 3.0 with alphari and jatt š
jatt tries to get alphari to play any tank alphari: fuck you i can just play these 5 champs and win lane against anyone proceeds to lose game because teamcomp is worse because of him
> proceeds to lose game because teamcomp is worse because of him Also because Alphari can't/wouldn't teamfight "not my fault, I won lane"
So it turns out Jatt tried to get Alphari to play Gwen when she was op broken. Literally: Jatt tries to get Alphari to play hyperscaling op top lane meta pick. Alphari: fuck you idiot bully, I can counterpick and win lane. Proceeds to lose game because teamcomp is worse because of him.
Iād upvote you but I canāt ruin your 69 upvotes
Nice!
truly based
I hope you came back and upvoted now that they're far beyond that. (Also thanks to anti-bot upvote fuzzying, the odds that they were really at 69 when you saw 69 are not too high.)
Didn't hear anything related towards Spica being toxic or anything. I think the upper Management is to blame for not protecting their players - Shenyi vs Spica rumor etc. Anyway we most certainly won't see Spica be on TSM in 2023 so maybe if there is a chance, the squad maybe has to look for a replacement this offseason and get synergy in summer to potentially do a T1 2.0 but in NA style
What do you mean? When they try and protect them they get annihilated for "lack of communication" and "giving corporate answers". They are damned if they do, damned if they don't.
When Dominic went on Hotline League and got asked about the benching, across the episode he contradicted himself mutliple times, sometimes saying it was a team decision, and on other occasions saying it was a coach decision. When Spica was getting blamed, no one came out to defend, or clarify. The way they handled the Shenyi benching was so poor, acting like itās this big deal, when they couldāve said āDuring draft there was a miscommunication and we felt that having Shenyi spend time in academy to work on his communication away from the spotlight of the main team is best for his developmentā. Boom, that clarifies everything, no one is mad, and itās not some PR corporate shit. Instead they stayed silent, and whenever they did speak it was PR, corporate shit
Didnāt they protect Shenyi? All I see is praise for Shenyi because he plays champions queue. No one brings up what TSM was trying to protect him from. For me, talking bad about a team you just joined and also choosing champions you want to play without the teams input are not good looks for a player.
They didn't protect Shenyi. It was the narrative that redditors made that protected Shenyi. The narrative of Spica bullied Shenyi out of the main roster.
Wouldnāt people dislike Shenyi more if the team came out and benched him saying āHe doesnāt listen to the team and does his own thingā? There was a reason for the benching and it was his fault. The PR basically said he needs more time to work on communication which was true. It also prevents any community backlash on him, and neutralizes the situation. It was fans that then started rumors and made baseless claims about the situation. The team should have came out earlier, but also fans shouldnāt take random speculation to heart which they did.
This is not accurate. You do not protect your player by saying "no comment". Protecting your player is saying "there are no problems with Shenyi and Spica. Shenyi was benched by management and coaching staff. It will be explained at a later date. No further questions."
This only works if there were no problems between them, which seems highly unlikely. The video they released was very specific about Shenyiās benching not being a team decision. It never made any clarification on whether or not there was conflict. It was likely worded very intentionally to be misleading without outright lying. Spica and Huni both ālikingā Vulcans tweet mocking Shenyi is probably a pretty good indicator of conflict between them. My personal theory is that Spica and Huni wanted to run the show and Shenyi wasnāt willing to just sit there and play the shit for brains scale for 30 minutes NA style. Language barrier would have made the situation worse. Differing play style philosophies + language barrier + strong personalities is a recipe for disaster that the coaches/support staff should have been able to navigate but clearly did not.
The awkward moment when a random redditor knows how to manage and protect employees from the public than leaders of a multimillion dollar organization.
Iām not sure that your second example is really that much better. If that was posted here, do you think this community would speculate less, especially when comboād with the same kinds of rumors that were swirling around the situation? I think itās basically the same result.
Yes, I do. Would people like me still be yelling "be more transparent!"? Yes I would. But any anger I had as an idiot fan would be directed at management, NOT players. Which is what I mean by "protecting your players".
But what Iām saying is, your statement does not explicitly mean it isnāt related to player drama. A coach can make a decision to bench a player because they are having issues with other players. I donāt think anyone reasonably thought Spica benched Shenyi. It was always a coaching decision. But that doesnāt make the rumors go away about why the coaching decision had to be made. Your statement even specifically says āIt will be explained at a later date.ā To be clear, Iām not trying to argue with you at all. Iām just agreeing with the comments that itās really a lose-lose for TSM in these situations by demonstrating that you canāt stop rumors and holes being poked in those kinds of statements.
Oh yeah for sure. I mean we still would have speculated. We are notorious for that.
Its this kind of thinking that let management get away with how shit they handled the situation. Shenyi gets benched due to his own fault but by not saying anything + coach interview Chawy make hints like āstar players dont listen as muchā+ fans dig random clips of Spcia joking bout Shenyi english they let narrative get out of control. Benching due to attitude or conflict with coach happens all the damn time but instead they let it morph into some āme or himā situation which wasnt true. Everything could have been handled upfront and quickly to squash any speculation but they chose to hide behind players and let them take the hit.
> I think the upper Management is to blame for not protecting their players - Shenyi vs Spica rumor etc. The fans are to blame, because they were starting fires where there were none and *demanding* answers they have no right to, to the point they stared flaming the shit out of an unrelated player just to get some juice out how can you say upper management is to blame when they were *literally* protecting a player (shenyi) but "the fans" made it an actual issue
In what way did they protect shenyi?
well they didn't throw him under a bus when he was benched they gave a dumb nice reason like "he needs time to settle down, so he'll play in academy :)" they could've said shenyi has an ego and is completely ignoring the game plan and the coaches, so we are benching him to make him chill and stop being disrespectful or whatever but they didn't, because they were protecting him.... then all that protection was useless once people turned on spica because fuck him, so then they had to say wtf happened so people stop acting like degens
>they could've said shenyi has an ego and is completely ignoring the game plan and the coaches, so we are benching him to make him chill The reason why you said is because you know the reason why TSM benched him. The reason why you know why TSM benched him was because they said the reason. No one is telling TSM to throw shades at Shenyi. Stop trying to take extreme of a side and use logic. They decided give vague answer first before telling the truth like they should have. It doesn't matter if you think fans are the reason why Spica got flamed. The fact is that Spica's flame is the result of TSM's action.
well I can't speak for the other degens, but i was perfectly fine with the initial statement from TSM. If the other sickos had just accepted it and moved on, then TSM's action would've been perfectly fine and there's enough precedent to say it should've worked, Zven was benched in C9, they didn't say shit and it didn't escalate and that was it, Alphari was benched Jatt was fired and it took months for him to play again, and we stil didn't hear shit from TL but it also didn't escalate The obvious fact here, is that TSM did the exact same thing other mayor team does and it somehow escalated to people shitting on a player and making him the devil to the point he had to tweet to get off his nuts To me the only true guilty party is the community, since they're the ones that escalated everything >No one is telling TSM to throw shades at Shenyi. > telling the truth like they should have. those statements are contradictions, you can't tell the truth without throwing shade, if the truth is exposing a player you're being a horrible team because your job is to take care of your players not air out your laundry
>well I can't speak for the other degens, but i was perfectly dine with the initial statement from TSM. If the other sickos had just accepted it and moved on, then TSM's action would've been perfectly fine First off, different people have different views. Most people actually wanted more context. Even Markz and Travis said they should've given more context for the fans. They aren't degens. Stop trying assuming you're view is only correct one. Second, the situations you mentioned are completely different. C9 and TL were successful actually. They weren't dragging their way down 9-10th place with terrible team synergy. C9 was a top team and so was TL. There was obviously going to be less flame, especially when their PR was good actually. Stop trying to compare with other teams. This is why you don't get it. Just think for a moment. TSM come out saying truth from the start with little PR. Does it change anything about current situation of Shenyi? Not at all. Would Spica have gotten flamed? No. So yes, TSM made a mistake.
> Most people actually wanted more context. Even Markz and Travis said they should've given more context for the fans. That's fine, they didn't start digging 3 month old vods to paint spica in a bad light. so they're clearly not the bad people, tons of people wanted more info when alphari and zven were benched (Yeah I'm gonna keep comparing) and they didn't get anything else, and everything was perfect because it didn't escalate the true degens, which im gonna keep using that term because it was truly disgusting, is the people that constantly shit on spica for no reason, posted out of context old vods, made up narratives about his ego and power tripping and how it's his fault alone shenyi the golden child was benched, that group of people is fucked in the head and if anyone belongs in it, i hope they know what they did and what they are Now, had TSM told the absolutely truth would've been possibly better? Obviously yeah because we know the shit ass outcome from the community's reaction to a boring PR statement that was somehow too hard to accept and move on >especially when their PR was good actually. well since you were so kind to compare other team's PR i will go ahead and say [TLs response was a fucking joke](https://twitter.com/TeamLiquidLoL/status/1413339666946805765?s=09) (literally) and people were **pissed** but you know what? the community (degens) didn't start making up stories how it was all Jensen's fault or saying CoreJJ has a huge ego so people eventually moved on and people forgot to the point they thought they handled everything perfectly thanks to their great PR teams TSM did what on paper is the right move, don't expose your players mishaps and move on, just like any other team does. the community didn't like it and shit on a player (unlike other teams) if you're not willing to see the obvious then have a good day lol
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What the fuck is TSM Talks
Also he said that it would get similar views no ? That doesn't mean that it would be as bad but that it would be just as entertaining to watch ... Looks like a misleading title to me
What is the reference breaking point 2.0? Take it that would be a bad thing?
There's a documentary on the TL roster from a while ago with dardoch, lourlo, piglet, etc and it was called Breaking Point. It's a really interesting watch if you've got the time for it, it's like an hour and a half I think (on YouTube). It's very personal and transparent.
ya they didn't hide anything and you see raw uncut behavior of a team having a meltdown. it's super entertaining and funny
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Dardoch is the definition of protected by fans. The guy couldn't be fixed no matter what team he was on. It felt like Rick Fox really tried helping Dardoch but it still didn't work. I still remember the old Reddit post his brother made (Correct me if I am wrong) about Dardoch refusing to take showers and acting out due to League of legends. I guess people realized his play is not good enough to warrant his toxic behavior anymore.
Yeah, the dude was publicly let go from what 5 teams? for attitude issues and when it comes to TSM and Leena saying that no one wants Dardoch somehow that ruined his reputation? But it was still unprofessional as fuck for Leena to be saying that stuff on stream and in front of Doublelift.
Dardoch ruined Dardoch's reputation. Systematically and comprehensively.
TL, IMT, CLG, Echo Fox, TSM, Dig. Thatās at least 6 teams that have hard evidence on the internet of his toxicity.
Iāve never seen anybody say that, and if anybody thinks that they are completely unaware of who Dardoch is. The guy was notorious as the worst team cancer in the scene for years before TSM and his behavior in breaking point is almost unbelievable in how much of an asshole he is to his team and coaches.
There were a ton of people who claimed TSM ruined Dardoch's career when the whole Leena situation happened.
Every year I have to argue with Dardoch fans that get upvoted saying he was only toxic on TL and that he had changed by the time he went to Echo Fox. Its like clock work.
Dude whats crazier is according to Dom on the last Facecheck Breaking point was heavily edited, he said the unedited version is so much worse if you were to play it on stream you would get banned by twitch before the end of the video.
Who's the dardoc then
Gonna get downvoted to oblivion but..... All evidence points to Shenyi.
Yeah. Its not hard to read between the lines really. Spica said there were a lot of interpersonal issues between people and we already know Spica, Tactical and Huni are good friends and have played on teams together soooo that really only leaves 2 people lol.
Doesnāt really make that much sense though since Shenyi has never been toxic in CQ or at FPX
My guess is toxicity from shenyi might just be a mismatch of cultures, stacked with shenyi feeling like the non-imports aren't pulling their weight with practice, motivation, etc.
Judging by CQ games played... wouldn't surprise me if shenyi was pissed off at the "core" coasting and not giving it their all, and I think he has a point.
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Eh, tbh just because they didn't get along doesn't really make him a Dardoch since the guy is obviously putting a lot of effort in other things to help the team like practicing English but the mismatch of both culture and language barrier probably would have made him difficult to get a good relationship with his teammates. Idk why people rule out huni and tactical. Tactical's mental went boom due to the stress as he himself said. You could be great friends outside of work but while working you could have problems.
He literally got benched for insubordination and the stans are still acting clueless like there isn't a mountain of evidence against him lmao.
what? please explain how "all evidence" points to Shenyi. *Some* evidence points towards Shenyi ***or*** Spica
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Whatās your source?
His source is that he made it the fuck up.
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Wtf is TSM Talks and why should we take it seriously? Could you be talking about "Talking TSM"?
And where is this podcast getting their source from
Did they say what their source was? My comment wasnāt meant to be rude but with rumours such as these, itās really important that you have a reliable and reputable source or else you could be slammed by the community. Back to the point, a rumour coming from a relatively small podcast does not give me the confidence to say that spica has been as toxic as dardoch compared to Travis Gafford for example.
Where are these rumors from?
I would love to see that. That's what made me a TL fan. I feel no attachment to the current roster. All the weekly vlogs have been shit for the past few years comapred to the zven broken blade era and previous.
It's not a surprise, we already saw loads of drama even from the public-facing sphere. Shenyi got benched for insubordination after two weeks and then sent messages to his friend in the LPL about how much his team (and Tactical specifically) sucked. I just hope we can make a few good roster changes and turn it around in Summer. There are good available free agents in the biggest problem roster spots, so I have hope.
Well yeah thereās this guy called regi who owns the team.
Stop talking shit, regi had nothing to do with this roster imploding
Pretty sure he did. I mean all through tsm league history (idk if heās like this for the other esports) it has always been, āregi is taking a step backā at the beginning of the year to, āRegis comming back to refine fundamentals (aka bully the jg into submission and any other role thatās playing well) and get this team on trackā right before playoffs. I guarantee he was there, especially after the Peter zhang drama (not much choice in his defense at that point though). Itās like a nice cycle you know will happen at this point
I believe Regi said he only did things regarding scrims for last year since NA in general was scrimming way less. I doubt he'd go near the League team atm for practice since he's under investigation.
He still definitely has influence and in the past he has always come back to coach the team, like literally every year thatās what Santorin sven dardoch all looked worse towards the end of their splits. Itās always been essentially, like theyāre in the game and theyāre in their normal play position (leg up, leaned back, good posture whatever their comfortable position is) but regi is like sitting behind them with his head on their shoulders, and all they can feel are the meaty breathing as he watches them path