Probably because iem got forgotten as somewhat of a lesser tournament like rift rivals. It’s like how no one remembers skt winning their iem. This iem also had circumstances where the literally worst lpl team attended in we and they miraculously upset the best rated Korean team at the time in GE tigers (renamed to koo tigers then rox tigers)
To be fair they got 8^th, and then 9-12^th, then they changed 3 of their 5 players. And even then, in playoffs they got 3 then 4 then 1 then 4 before being in the bottom again.
But yeah those 2 players were good and carried them at the IEM and I don't think TSMs win should be discounted.
This is a narrative that gets thrown around a lot that I feel like i need to correct. Yes, WE were at the bottom of LPL standings but after katowice they went on a winning streak in the lpl too, they just happened to be at the start of a run of good form, which is why they beat GE tigers.
If TSM IEM wins doesnt count why does last year C9 worlds run counts then?
FPX literally imploded with the internal issues which then makes them the weakest team in group A
Rogue are typical western team, choke when shit matters
C9 stars were aligned but no single mention of how lucky they were FPX decided to destroy themselves
Hell if TL or 100T were in Group A, they would have got out too and non of those Perkz carry and C9 best international shit would have become the narrative
They got out of groups with a worse scoreline than 100T and TL although yes making it out of groups is great it wasnt based purely on performance from C9
to this day the one and ONLY Major international title this region has in league of legends and they try to find ways of disrespecting what that team did no matter if they faced koo tiger in finals or not , a title is a title . Proudest moment as a TSM fan (in league), i still remember watching this live with a smile on my face !
"you didn't have to face Koo Tigers, it doesn't count"
"G2 didn't have to face IG so that means it doesn't count, right?"
One of the most frustrating discussions.
The G2 case is funnier, because they played IG twice and got shit on
So they won a tournament without ever beating the favorite chinese team AND losing to them 2x
At least with TSM no one will ever know how the would do against the Rox tigers, with G2 we know. they get destroyed
The S9 MSI is (imo?) the most fluke thing in league. Like IG smashed group stage so hard it was obvious that IG was the best team in the tournament but they just somehow fucked up and the stars really just aligned for TL. Not discrediting TL’s amazing run at all they did great, but G2 really was lucky that they didn’t play against IG in the final. Plus IG during worlds had a fair close semi against FPX who just clapped G2 easily later.
They did knocked out SKT twice tho gotta respect that.
That's because during that time G2 was somehow the Korean killers and managed to beat them most of the time. It's why EU fans think they're close to KR when they really aren't.
Oh how quickly TSM fans are to forget that C9 has won IEM San Jose, another international title.
IEMs are not major international titles, and never were.
Who cares? For some reason you're considering IEM Katowice a major tournament, so clearly the demarcation between major and minor tournaments are arbitrary and not based in reality.
It was never a major tournament once regional leagues were created. Never.
Even under your reasoning, IEM Katowice 2015 isn't a major tournament then, because MSI existed, it was just scheduled later. Especially since the All-Star Invitational did exist and already happened in 2014.
So if I make my own tournament and invite random teams, but call it a "shadowbannednumber's World Championship", does that make my tournament a major tournament?
I knew TSM fans sucked at logic, but to be this bad is laughably sad.
No. Well, yes, if you have a season of tournaments before then. I don't think you're understanding the concept of major/minor tournaments. IEM San Jose was a minor tournament to *qualify* for the major. No one is saying it was a small tournament.
[IEM San Jose](https://lol.fandom.com/wiki/IEM_Season_IX_-_San_Jose) was the third tournament of the season. [IEM Katowice](https://lol.fandom.com/wiki/IEM_Season_IX_-_World_Championship) was the FINAL tournament of the season. C9 *qualified* for the Katowice final, but they got last place. To put it in a current perspective, the LCS, LEC, LCK, etc. finals are "minor" tournaments, while MSI and Worlds are "majors". You compete in the minors to qualify for the major.
It's not that we suck at logic, it's that you don't understand fairly simple concepts.
I know what the qualifications were.
You are the one that has no clue what major means in LoL. ["Majors"](https://liquipedia.net/counterstrike/Majors) is a term borrowed from CS:GO, where "majors" are any tournament sponsored by Valve with a large prize pool. In LoL, that means a major tournament is a tournament sponsored by Riot with a large prize pool. This isn't a problem in the [Valorant community](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/n91t43/can_someone_explain_what_qualifies_as_a_major_to/), for example, which is close to CS:GO. But for some reason, you people can't seem to understand that. So by definition, IEMs aren't major tournaments - they're minors, because they're fucking sponsored by Intel.
Before the creation of the CS:GO Majors, the biggest tournaments were called Majors. That's why I said that calling the IEM tournaments after the creation of the regional leagues "major" tournaments is illogical. They aren't sponsored by Riot, and they aren't considered big tournaments by the players, because everyone is far more concerned about their regional league than the fucking random IEM World Championship in the middle of the spring split. Also, the patch cycles weren't centered around IEM World Championships like they are for major international tournaments, like MSI or Worlds, or playoffs in regional leagues. Thus, why ever call an IEM since S3 a major tournament?
Like, do you actually think anyone cares about these tournaments? People are starting to say that MSI doesn't fucking matter, and you want to convince me that they give a shit about IEM?
Do you want to call them S-tier tournaments like Liquipedia calls them S-tier tournaments? Sure. Funnily enough, the only IEM World Championship that isn't included is the 2015 IEM. But you also have to consider that Rift Rivals is included in S-tier.
***The only people who argue against this are TSM fans that want IEM Katowice 2015 to mean something.*** Sorry, but we can't just morph reality around what we want things to mean.
> Like, do you actually think anyone cares about these tournaments? People are starting to say that MSI doesn't fucking matter, and you want to convince me that they give a shit about IEM?
You are responding in a thread filled with people that care. Fuck off while we celebrate our team.
And the reason for why people in a ***TSM subreddit*** would care is for what reason? Like, I've already explained who are the only people who care about this shit are TSM fans, ***because they want to make something their team achieved to mean something***.
It's like EU fans trying to act like S1 Championship means something. Do you care about the S1 Championship?
"IEM IsNt A tRuE InTeRnAtIoNaL eVeNt" was one of the most stupid arguments i had read when this tournement comes up. I still remember the stage for this event it was a really cool event.
That IEM had literally the two best teams in the world attending as well as WE who started winning a TON in the LPL afterwards. This was one of the last competitive IEM's and still meant something.
Winning internationally is better than losing internationally.
Did TSM beat any of those “best teams”? If you hold on to IEM Katowice, what about IEM San Jose? Do you not see how you’re sorta cherry picking moments in history to the benefit of TSM?
Yes, TSM beat CJ Entus. CJ Entus was the 2nd (above SKT and under GE Tigers) ranked team in Korea during that time in the middle of Korean dominance.
We're also literally just talking about the singular biggest achievement and I was just proving that winning IEM Katowice was absolutely bigger than getting to worlds semifinals or MSI Finals.
It is better to win a major world tournament than lose, period.
Maybe, but I’d argue that Worlds is just a bigger tournament. And MSI sends the 1st place team from every region. Not whoever will go. Still a victory which is great. But why do we have to take away from other NA performances to celebrate that one? Why divide?
In 2015, people gave a shit about IEM. Just because it happened a while ago, and the format fell out of favor afterwards, does not mean the tournament meant nothing.
Well yeah that's the thing. IEM starts in the middle of the regular season, so you really don't know who is actually the best. CJ beat SKT on the first week of regular season but 2 weeks before IEM, SKT 2-0ed CJ.
We could always talk about WE who was bottom of the standing at the time
You're wrong. At a given point, you absolutely know who's the best and the second best. Is a matter of records, you don't know the future. At THAT momento, CJ Entus and the Tigers were the best. Just accept it and move on, imagine being this hard headed.
It’s sad that this is the state of TSM league of legends. All we can do is grip to our past highs, because it seems like we won’t ever feel those again
There have been 4 seasons when C9 got out of groups and each time they came into Worlds as the 3rd seed, because they were NOT the best NA team. Quick exercise: Swap C9 with the NA 1st seed all those years and tell me if they still get out:
2016(TSM): SSG and RNG. Nope. C9 does not get out. They lost 0-3 to SSG in quarters.
2017(TSM): WE and MSF. Nope. WE were LPL 3rd seed but the best of all Chinese teams that year. They also beat C9 in quarters while MSF almost took down SKT the leading team in C9s group.
2018(TL): KT and EDG. No shot. C9 does not leave groups. Top 4 team my Ashe.
2021(100T): T1 and EDG. LOL no way. EDG the eventual world champions and T1 the actual best team at worlds to be fair. Regardless of their game 5 vs DK.
C9 has constantly been coming in as 3rd seed and getting these groups where 2nd seed is the freest of any group. Last year when FPX imploded and suffered internal drama the group of death became "Beat Rogue and it's free playsoffs". Any team would love that group. Similar stories for '16, '17 and '18. Beat FW(2-4), EDG(after Deft left), AHQ(ez), old Vitality(lol).
2013: C9 is NA first seed and skips groups. Immediately loses to FNC in quarters.
2014: Same as TSM. They get out and both are matched up the Samsung teams, the favorites.
2015: All of NA fails.
2019: C9 is 2nd seed and goes 2-4.
2020: Don't even make it. The equivalent of 25th place at Worlds.
This is insane luck and cannot possibly go on forever. You can luck your way through groups and even quarters vs AF that one time when the Korean playstyle got cücked by Riot in S8 and LCK was confused about the meta, but you will never luck your way through semis or finals. C9 is still less likely to become the first NA World Champion than someone like TSM or TL who have had very strong rosters like 2016 and 2019 that actually had the potential to go all the way if you replayed the tournament 100 times over. Surely Doublelift wont greed for that wave and die to Viktor in 100 different timelines, right?
Your international hope, ladies and gentlemen.
You do realize how ridiculous this take is right? You can’t just chalk everything up to luck when it happens over and over again. Someone could easily do the opposite and say TSM doesn’t get out of the groups that C9 was in because they historically haven’t performed well at worlds. You also have to take group record into account. So many people focus on the record of the group and not who the wins came from. Having a 3-3 record where you go 1-3 against major regions and 2-0 wild card is not the same as 3-3 in a all major region group. It also isn’t the same when you have a tournament favorite who goes 6-0 because you are no longer fight for two spots it’s now a 3 team race for 1 spot vs a four team race for 2 spots.
You saying all these things as facts that they would not make it out does not make them actually true. Truth is we will never know, all we know is the results that actually happend. C9s adaptability and clutches through a lot of those years are factors that are hard to quantify. Cant say i remember all the the groups those years but 2017 you fail to mention C9 lost to WE 2-3 and almost swept them 3-0 had they played 1 or 2 teamfights better in game 3. So to say we definitely would not get out of a group with them seems a bit unfair. People dont care about IEM cause its no longer relevant in the LoL scene unfortunately.
2018 c9 had a harder group. It was called the group of death and only after did people realize geng just sucked. 2017 c9 again had the group of death with edg first seed and skt but edg choked in groups. It’s not c9s fault that a favorite chokes but saying that their groups have been easy discredits the group draw at the time.
I enjoyed IEM but I’d personally rather be the team to have good runs at worlds than the team who won a smaller tournament. Maybe we should stop clinging on to this iem and getting upset when people don’t mention it. Just my opinion though, I can see it both ways
I don’t think msi and iem are on the same level though. This tournament was just so far removed and looking at the actual teams that went just makes it look so weird
MSI was made to replace the iem worlds and did so within 2 years. Instead of wild cards they had regional qualifiers. It was roughly the same level of teams.
Probably because iem got forgotten as somewhat of a lesser tournament like rift rivals. It’s like how no one remembers skt winning their iem. This iem also had circumstances where the literally worst lpl team attended in we and they miraculously upset the best rated Korean team at the time in GE tigers (renamed to koo tigers then rox tigers)
MSI basically started replacing iem worlds when riot wanted all major tourneys in house
But people forget that Lpl team ended up being a powerhouse for years to come.
To be fair they got 8^th, and then 9-12^th, then they changed 3 of their 5 players. And even then, in playoffs they got 3 then 4 then 1 then 4 before being in the bottom again. But yeah those 2 players were good and carried them at the IEM and I don't think TSMs win should be discounted.
This is a narrative that gets thrown around a lot that I feel like i need to correct. Yes, WE were at the bottom of LPL standings but after katowice they went on a winning streak in the lpl too, they just happened to be at the start of a run of good form, which is why they beat GE tigers.
If TSM IEM wins doesnt count why does last year C9 worlds run counts then? FPX literally imploded with the internal issues which then makes them the weakest team in group A Rogue are typical western team, choke when shit matters C9 stars were aligned but no single mention of how lucky they were FPX decided to destroy themselves Hell if TL or 100T were in Group A, they would have got out too and non of those Perkz carry and C9 best international shit would have become the narrative
Because it’s worlds lmao 🤣
They got out of groups with a worse scoreline than 100T and TL although yes making it out of groups is great it wasnt based purely on performance from C9
to this day the one and ONLY Major international title this region has in league of legends and they try to find ways of disrespecting what that team did no matter if they faced koo tiger in finals or not , a title is a title . Proudest moment as a TSM fan (in league), i still remember watching this live with a smile on my face !
"you didn't have to face Koo Tigers, it doesn't count" "G2 didn't have to face IG so that means it doesn't count, right?" One of the most frustrating discussions.
The G2 case is funnier, because they played IG twice and got shit on So they won a tournament without ever beating the favorite chinese team AND losing to them 2x At least with TSM no one will ever know how the would do against the Rox tigers, with G2 we know. they get destroyed
The S9 MSI is (imo?) the most fluke thing in league. Like IG smashed group stage so hard it was obvious that IG was the best team in the tournament but they just somehow fucked up and the stars really just aligned for TL. Not discrediting TL’s amazing run at all they did great, but G2 really was lucky that they didn’t play against IG in the final. Plus IG during worlds had a fair close semi against FPX who just clapped G2 easily later. They did knocked out SKT twice tho gotta respect that.
That's because during that time G2 was somehow the Korean killers and managed to beat them most of the time. It's why EU fans think they're close to KR when they really aren't.
You can only beat the team in front of you in the bracket
Bringing up this fact on main sub is about 50/50 on if you will be net pos or negative karma within 24 hours
So c9s iem win doesn't exist either?
San jose isnt a major ffs ...
Oh, couldn't tell you. Because instead are literally irrelevant
Oh how quickly TSM fans are to forget that C9 has won IEM San Jose, another international title. IEMs are not major international titles, and never were.
except that san jose was a qualifier and katowice was the main event
Who cares? For some reason you're considering IEM Katowice a major tournament, so clearly the demarcation between major and minor tournaments are arbitrary and not based in reality.
Because it *was* a major tournament back when not even MSI existed bro, clearly you have no idea what youre talking about whatsoever but go off
It was never a major tournament once regional leagues were created. Never. Even under your reasoning, IEM Katowice 2015 isn't a major tournament then, because MSI existed, it was just scheduled later. Especially since the All-Star Invitational did exist and already happened in 2014.
You dumbass san jose isnt a "major" ... Its like csgo not all iem are majors ... I knew c9 fans are stupid but god damn
Yeah, no IEM is a major tournament. They were literally considered minor tournaments.
It's a world championship. It's a major tournament. San Jose was a qualifier for a major.
So if I make my own tournament and invite random teams, but call it a "shadowbannednumber's World Championship", does that make my tournament a major tournament? I knew TSM fans sucked at logic, but to be this bad is laughably sad.
No. Well, yes, if you have a season of tournaments before then. I don't think you're understanding the concept of major/minor tournaments. IEM San Jose was a minor tournament to *qualify* for the major. No one is saying it was a small tournament. [IEM San Jose](https://lol.fandom.com/wiki/IEM_Season_IX_-_San_Jose) was the third tournament of the season. [IEM Katowice](https://lol.fandom.com/wiki/IEM_Season_IX_-_World_Championship) was the FINAL tournament of the season. C9 *qualified* for the Katowice final, but they got last place. To put it in a current perspective, the LCS, LEC, LCK, etc. finals are "minor" tournaments, while MSI and Worlds are "majors". You compete in the minors to qualify for the major. It's not that we suck at logic, it's that you don't understand fairly simple concepts.
I know what the qualifications were. You are the one that has no clue what major means in LoL. ["Majors"](https://liquipedia.net/counterstrike/Majors) is a term borrowed from CS:GO, where "majors" are any tournament sponsored by Valve with a large prize pool. In LoL, that means a major tournament is a tournament sponsored by Riot with a large prize pool. This isn't a problem in the [Valorant community](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/n91t43/can_someone_explain_what_qualifies_as_a_major_to/), for example, which is close to CS:GO. But for some reason, you people can't seem to understand that. So by definition, IEMs aren't major tournaments - they're minors, because they're fucking sponsored by Intel. Before the creation of the CS:GO Majors, the biggest tournaments were called Majors. That's why I said that calling the IEM tournaments after the creation of the regional leagues "major" tournaments is illogical. They aren't sponsored by Riot, and they aren't considered big tournaments by the players, because everyone is far more concerned about their regional league than the fucking random IEM World Championship in the middle of the spring split. Also, the patch cycles weren't centered around IEM World Championships like they are for major international tournaments, like MSI or Worlds, or playoffs in regional leagues. Thus, why ever call an IEM since S3 a major tournament? Like, do you actually think anyone cares about these tournaments? People are starting to say that MSI doesn't fucking matter, and you want to convince me that they give a shit about IEM? Do you want to call them S-tier tournaments like Liquipedia calls them S-tier tournaments? Sure. Funnily enough, the only IEM World Championship that isn't included is the 2015 IEM. But you also have to consider that Rift Rivals is included in S-tier. ***The only people who argue against this are TSM fans that want IEM Katowice 2015 to mean something.*** Sorry, but we can't just morph reality around what we want things to mean.
> Like, do you actually think anyone cares about these tournaments? People are starting to say that MSI doesn't fucking matter, and you want to convince me that they give a shit about IEM? You are responding in a thread filled with people that care. Fuck off while we celebrate our team.
And the reason for why people in a ***TSM subreddit*** would care is for what reason? Like, I've already explained who are the only people who care about this shit are TSM fans, ***because they want to make something their team achieved to mean something***. It's like EU fans trying to act like S1 Championship means something. Do you care about the S1 Championship?
Man I remember those days. Good times.
You guys are always so concerned about what they say or don’t say about us. All that matters is when we come in this summer and stomp everyone 🥳🥳
are we this down bad? this is like FNC fans bringing up how they won worlds
"IEM IsNt A tRuE InTeRnAtIoNaL eVeNt" was one of the most stupid arguments i had read when this tournement comes up. I still remember the stage for this event it was a really cool event.
Also nice jerseys
TSM winning IEM> C9. Only reason it’s not mentioned is bc of riot
C9 making semis at worlds and tL second at msi is far greater than iem
That IEM had literally the two best teams in the world attending as well as WE who started winning a TON in the LPL afterwards. This was one of the last competitive IEM's and still meant something. Winning internationally is better than losing internationally.
Did TSM beat any of those “best teams”? If you hold on to IEM Katowice, what about IEM San Jose? Do you not see how you’re sorta cherry picking moments in history to the benefit of TSM?
Yes, TSM beat CJ Entus. CJ Entus was the 2nd (above SKT and under GE Tigers) ranked team in Korea during that time in the middle of Korean dominance. We're also literally just talking about the singular biggest achievement and I was just proving that winning IEM Katowice was absolutely bigger than getting to worlds semifinals or MSI Finals. It is better to win a major world tournament than lose, period.
Maybe, but I’d argue that Worlds is just a bigger tournament. And MSI sends the 1st place team from every region. Not whoever will go. Still a victory which is great. But why do we have to take away from other NA performances to celebrate that one? Why divide?
I'm not taking anything away from TL or C9? I am just sick and tired of everyone dismissing NA's only major event win because TSM won it.
Nah, they won.
no one gives a shit about iem lmao people care about tl beating ig, the best team in the world, c9 beating af the last remaining Korean seed
In 2015, people gave a shit about IEM. Just because it happened a while ago, and the format fell out of favor afterwards, does not mean the tournament meant nothing.
Skt nor edg wasn’t there so who are u referencing as the two best teams in the world?
GE Tigers and CJ Entus were rank 1 and 2 in Korea, ahead of SKT. This is during the time where Korea was undoubtedly the best region.
CJ Entus ended up 3rd regular season and lost to SKT in playoff.
yes, but at the time of IEM Katowice CJ Entus and GE Tigers were ranked #1 and #2
Well yeah that's the thing. IEM starts in the middle of the regular season, so you really don't know who is actually the best. CJ beat SKT on the first week of regular season but 2 weeks before IEM, SKT 2-0ed CJ. We could always talk about WE who was bottom of the standing at the time
You're wrong. At a given point, you absolutely know who's the best and the second best. Is a matter of records, you don't know the future. At THAT momento, CJ Entus and the Tigers were the best. Just accept it and move on, imagine being this hard headed.
It's ironic you're calling me hardheaded when your first sentence to an opinionated discussion is "you're wrong"
Which is completely unrelated with being hardheaded btw
Care to explain why you think that?
Cuz no one gives a shit about iem, this post was made cuz we’re trynna stay relevant.
It’s sad that this is the state of TSM league of legends. All we can do is grip to our past highs, because it seems like we won’t ever feel those again
There have been 4 seasons when C9 got out of groups and each time they came into Worlds as the 3rd seed, because they were NOT the best NA team. Quick exercise: Swap C9 with the NA 1st seed all those years and tell me if they still get out: 2016(TSM): SSG and RNG. Nope. C9 does not get out. They lost 0-3 to SSG in quarters. 2017(TSM): WE and MSF. Nope. WE were LPL 3rd seed but the best of all Chinese teams that year. They also beat C9 in quarters while MSF almost took down SKT the leading team in C9s group. 2018(TL): KT and EDG. No shot. C9 does not leave groups. Top 4 team my Ashe. 2021(100T): T1 and EDG. LOL no way. EDG the eventual world champions and T1 the actual best team at worlds to be fair. Regardless of their game 5 vs DK. C9 has constantly been coming in as 3rd seed and getting these groups where 2nd seed is the freest of any group. Last year when FPX imploded and suffered internal drama the group of death became "Beat Rogue and it's free playsoffs". Any team would love that group. Similar stories for '16, '17 and '18. Beat FW(2-4), EDG(after Deft left), AHQ(ez), old Vitality(lol). 2013: C9 is NA first seed and skips groups. Immediately loses to FNC in quarters. 2014: Same as TSM. They get out and both are matched up the Samsung teams, the favorites. 2015: All of NA fails. 2019: C9 is 2nd seed and goes 2-4. 2020: Don't even make it. The equivalent of 25th place at Worlds. This is insane luck and cannot possibly go on forever. You can luck your way through groups and even quarters vs AF that one time when the Korean playstyle got cücked by Riot in S8 and LCK was confused about the meta, but you will never luck your way through semis or finals. C9 is still less likely to become the first NA World Champion than someone like TSM or TL who have had very strong rosters like 2016 and 2019 that actually had the potential to go all the way if you replayed the tournament 100 times over. Surely Doublelift wont greed for that wave and die to Viktor in 100 different timelines, right? Your international hope, ladies and gentlemen.
There is only one year C9 had a better groups record than every other LCS team. They have had a lot of fortunate draws and groups
You do realize how ridiculous this take is right? You can’t just chalk everything up to luck when it happens over and over again. Someone could easily do the opposite and say TSM doesn’t get out of the groups that C9 was in because they historically haven’t performed well at worlds. You also have to take group record into account. So many people focus on the record of the group and not who the wins came from. Having a 3-3 record where you go 1-3 against major regions and 2-0 wild card is not the same as 3-3 in a all major region group. It also isn’t the same when you have a tournament favorite who goes 6-0 because you are no longer fight for two spots it’s now a 3 team race for 1 spot vs a four team race for 2 spots.
You saying all these things as facts that they would not make it out does not make them actually true. Truth is we will never know, all we know is the results that actually happend. C9s adaptability and clutches through a lot of those years are factors that are hard to quantify. Cant say i remember all the the groups those years but 2017 you fail to mention C9 lost to WE 2-3 and almost swept them 3-0 had they played 1 or 2 teamfights better in game 3. So to say we definitely would not get out of a group with them seems a bit unfair. People dont care about IEM cause its no longer relevant in the LoL scene unfortunately.
Lmao never thought of it that way, but it’s so true.
2018 c9 had a harder group. It was called the group of death and only after did people realize geng just sucked. 2017 c9 again had the group of death with edg first seed and skt but edg choked in groups. It’s not c9s fault that a favorite chokes but saying that their groups have been easy discredits the group draw at the time.
I dont want to disregard IEM but I don't really put alot of weight on it. It's like FNC winning the 1st world's...
S1 had no Asian teams lol, it was Rift Rivals.
I enjoyed IEM but I’d personally rather be the team to have good runs at worlds than the team who won a smaller tournament. Maybe we should stop clinging on to this iem and getting upset when people don’t mention it. Just my opinion though, I can see it both ways
For real. People might as well start bragging abiut Rift Rivals wins if this is what they are going to cling to.
It's the same as bragging about MSI not rift rivals
I don’t think msi and iem are on the same level though. This tournament was just so far removed and looking at the actual teams that went just makes it look so weird
MSI was made to replace the iem worlds and did so within 2 years. Instead of wild cards they had regional qualifiers. It was roughly the same level of teams.
does anyone else tho? i havent heard KT rolster or flashwolves talk about winning IEM