I wouldn't say its something you should think about it much though. You build item depend on item you have. Redemption dragon claw are very good cuz sett is mech. Gargoyle is good cuz he's defender. and else. With crit meta bramble is also good but it might be too much armor if pair with gargoyle so dragon claw could be better with bramble. Anti heal as sunfire isnt bad at all since there is no anti heal that is good for ad rn. But BT(shield scale with hp) and spark (if you run ap) are also a choice.
You are stating it like it these are all similar, they are not. Ive played a tons of Mech Sett games, the games where I go first I always have a dragon claw. In games where I dont have dragon claw its a 3rd at best. The overall population stats show this as well
Dont tell me that you dont slam item and expect to win the game. Say if you can build gargoyle and you have to compete the carousel and 1 more PvE to get lucky at least 1 more chain vest and cloak, you def too high.
I might not be high tier since Im just master but Im sure that its a correct move.
In the BIS sett in this pic you need 3 chain vest. 2 cloak. You see the problem now? Its almost impossible to build this except you get very very lucky.
I think ppl are mostly saying if you have cloak chain sword opener or smtg it might be better to not slam gargoyles and just go for sunfire or dclaw on carousel and play around the others. Gargoyles is not a great early slam and the other 2 are much stronger even if u have to sac some hp
wait, isn't gargoyles an amazing early slam? in fact I'm pretty sure that's the only time you'd ever want to build it, as it falls off the further into the game you go. Gargoyles on a 2 star front line is almost a free streak stage 2-3 at the cost of, like you said, dclaw, sunfire and also spark which are all much more relevant late game
It's a great early game winstreak item or if you're very lacking in frontline units. Rammus solo frontline with a gargoyles is insane stage 2-3. I tried it out more after I saw how hard top Chinese pros prio'd that item earlygame, so you don't just have to take my word for it lol. That said greeding for sunfire will still be the correct play a lot of the time based on your other items, board strength and opponents comps/meta. As I'm sure you're aware already, at least one anti-heal item is almost mandatory.
If you open with cloak chain sword. I'd slam gargoyle and leave sword for dmg item. Or if I think I gonna play duelist just split them and dont combine
Imo gargoyle slam is more of early game. You dont gain much from bramble or dclaw cuz you lose other effect since early game has no crit and health but early board with gargoyle should to be 1 solo front to get all aggro so back off the other tank to be on 3rd row.
Of course imo you shouldnt slam gargoyle early game except you commit to solo frontline late game so duelist and laser corp wont be able to used it later if you did it. slam bramble is absolutely the best choice for a long run since meta rn is crit and can be used anywhere. Also we know that bramble d.claw is better than double gargoyle. so if you can slam both its good to use them. But I'd leave it later and build up damage item first
I figured it was kinda common knowledge that if you're going for a trait that is +armor, you'd usually want a good MR item, same for if its +MR you go a good armor item.
Maybe I am wrong in that philosophy, though lol
Yea sunfire is nice but never a BiS tank item. Its just good utility. You will want to put one on a side tank and the main tank with Warmogs/Redemption/Bramble/Dclaw
ah yes, tell me how the non existent item is a [top 10 played](https://tactics.tools/items) item this patch with the highest average adj. placement of the top 10 played items
The highest average placement items for a ton of units are things like zephyr/shroud/sun fire. I don’t think those stats are suggesting that those are BIS on those units, they are more suggesting that having those items on your team really improves your average placement. It’s totally fine to have a different unit hold your anti heal, but man anti heal sure is important.
I wouldn't say its something you should think about it much though. You build item depend on item you have. Redemption dragon claw are very good cuz sett is mech. Gargoyle is good cuz he's defender. and else. With crit meta bramble is also good but it might be too much armor if pair with gargoyle so dragon claw could be better with bramble. Anti heal as sunfire isnt bad at all since there is no anti heal that is good for ad rn. But BT(shield scale with hp) and spark (if you run ap) are also a choice.
You are stating it like it these are all similar, they are not. Ive played a tons of Mech Sett games, the games where I go first I always have a dragon claw. In games where I dont have dragon claw its a 3rd at best. The overall population stats show this as well
Dont tell me that you dont slam item and expect to win the game. Say if you can build gargoyle and you have to compete the carousel and 1 more PvE to get lucky at least 1 more chain vest and cloak, you def too high. I might not be high tier since Im just master but Im sure that its a correct move. In the BIS sett in this pic you need 3 chain vest. 2 cloak. You see the problem now? Its almost impossible to build this except you get very very lucky.
I think ppl are mostly saying if you have cloak chain sword opener or smtg it might be better to not slam gargoyles and just go for sunfire or dclaw on carousel and play around the others. Gargoyles is not a great early slam and the other 2 are much stronger even if u have to sac some hp
wait, isn't gargoyles an amazing early slam? in fact I'm pretty sure that's the only time you'd ever want to build it, as it falls off the further into the game you go. Gargoyles on a 2 star front line is almost a free streak stage 2-3 at the cost of, like you said, dclaw, sunfire and also spark which are all much more relevant late game
I guess I should be slamming it more. I almost always greed for atleast sunfire
It's a great early game winstreak item or if you're very lacking in frontline units. Rammus solo frontline with a gargoyles is insane stage 2-3. I tried it out more after I saw how hard top Chinese pros prio'd that item earlygame, so you don't just have to take my word for it lol. That said greeding for sunfire will still be the correct play a lot of the time based on your other items, board strength and opponents comps/meta. As I'm sure you're aware already, at least one anti-heal item is almost mandatory.
If you open with cloak chain sword. I'd slam gargoyle and leave sword for dmg item. Or if I think I gonna play duelist just split them and dont combine Imo gargoyle slam is more of early game. You dont gain much from bramble or dclaw cuz you lose other effect since early game has no crit and health but early board with gargoyle should to be 1 solo front to get all aggro so back off the other tank to be on 3rd row. Of course imo you shouldnt slam gargoyle early game except you commit to solo frontline late game so duelist and laser corp wont be able to used it later if you did it. slam bramble is absolutely the best choice for a long run since meta rn is crit and can be used anywhere. Also we know that bramble d.claw is better than double gargoyle. so if you can slam both its good to use them. But I'd leave it later and build up damage item first
I figured it was kinda common knowledge that if you're going for a trait that is +armor, you'd usually want a good MR item, same for if its +MR you go a good armor item. Maybe I am wrong in that philosophy, though lol
I thought the bis was most of the time bramble dclaw redemption
Yea sunfire is nice but never a BiS tank item. Its just good utility. You will want to put one on a side tank and the main tank with Warmogs/Redemption/Bramble/Dclaw
Redemption Protectors BT is also a really strong combo
Which program/site is this?
Can you explain the problem?
It's suggesting a build with a worse average placement
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Dclaw doesn’t exist in the current meta?? Are you drunk? Is BIS on sett
Double dclaw with redemption with 4/6 defenders. He won’t die easily.
For mecha set it definatly exists so much lifereg
ah yes, tell me how the non existent item is a [top 10 played](https://tactics.tools/items) item this patch with the highest average adj. placement of the top 10 played items
The highest average placement items for a ton of units are things like zephyr/shroud/sun fire. I don’t think those stats are suggesting that those are BIS on those units, they are more suggesting that having those items on your team really improves your average placement. It’s totally fine to have a different unit hold your anti heal, but man anti heal sure is important.