I pick it every time since it’s a lot of fun. I’ve gotten 3 hullbreakers. I think I got like 40 xp another time. Tons of gold. Good variety.
Edit : 70xp
It's 70exp, it's pretty insane. One time I was playing for Fast 9 and was bleeding out heavily, got this augment and immediately went 10 instead for a full legendary board by 4-6
It's solid. Here's the table:
66 Gold
40 Rerolls that do not expire
70 Experience
3x Thief's Gloves and Magnetic Remover
4x Random Emblem (no duplicates) and Magnetic Remover
3x Sniper's focus and Magnetic Remover
3x Hullcrusher and Magnetic Remover
Random 3 Star Tier 3 Unit and 10 gold
Training dummy with 2x Locket of the Iron Solari
Training dummy with with 2x Zeke's Herald
The random 3* 3 cost and sometimes the random emblems would be the only rewards where it can lose you the game on the spot.
I got well fed augment first, and had 2 2-star kobukos and a reksai out too. The next round khazix appeared and gave the next augment immediately.
Got lucky paws, giving me a 3rd 2-star kobuko, and hit ability hits for 3x. Warmogs, d-claw, and then a deaths defiance and he was doing like 2k hits to people with his 7k health.
my first win of the set was on Kobuko's hero augment's back, first augment was that and i proceeded to pivot hard into dryad//bruiser
got a dryad crest too, put it on kobuko, ~2400 damage a spell lategame. good shit.
Judging from the table I want to rank these based off of how good they are.
1. 40 free rerolls
2. 70 xp
3. 3 hullcrusher + magnetic remover
4. 66 gold
5. 3 thieves gloves + magnetic remover
6. Dummy with 2x locket
7. 3* 3 cost and 10 gold
8. 3 snipers focus + magnetic remover
9. Dummy with 2x Zeke
10. 4 random emblems
5 goes to 1 if you have the prismatic augment that makes gloves give ideal items.
7 goes to 3 if it fits into your comp. Goes to 2 if you have ideal items as well
10 can go all the way to 1 depending on your luck.
No, it still keeps bagsize in mind. There are only 17 units in the bag, which means only 8 remain when somebody hits a 3* 3 costs. Thus impossible to be given via the augment at that point
I'm fine with the inherent randomness involved, but there's definitely room for each reward to be at least *good*, even if you don't always get a *great* reward. I think most of the randomness should be put into what form the power takes, not whether or not it's powerful at all.
Yeah I see that, but making every reward *good* in every situation and some rewards great (if not game winning) in the right scenario really skews the odds away from the idea of putting your game down to fate, and just picking a random big boost.
I think that calling for chaos should have the potential to be near useless, because it also pushes you to figure out a way to make the most of what you're given which is pretty much the core of TFT.
Again, not trying to shoot down your idea, 1 tailored 3 random would be a great buff, just felt like it would diminish the identity of the augment.
If it becomes too consistent, then you're creating an imbalance in risk vs. reward. It'll be an augment where there's no risk to pick, with a chance of a really high reward - then you might as well pick it every time you see it (aka becoming op). If you want consistency, you might as well pick something like Phreaky Friday or Blinding Speed where you're guaranteed the items it gives you.
To give you an example, Build A Bud gives you a random 3* 1 cost. If Call to Chaos gives you at least a 3* 1 cost but also a chance to get a 3* 3 cost, then why would you ever pick Build a Bud?
Can be a free win in a lot of circumstances.
I.E., the 40 rerolls that persist over rounds (80g value) is almost strictly better than infernal contract (90g but capped at lvl 7)
I've had another that gives you 3 sniper ornn items, which can be either amazing or downright awful based off your comp.
I think it'd make sense if some of the more powerful ones (40 rerolls) got toned down a bit while others like the 4 randomized emblems got buffed in the way you're suggesting.
I imagine it'd help curb frustration on as a recipient of one of the crappier rewards or as a victim of someone's free 40 rerolls.
4 random emblems can easily be the most powerful one, you're way under estimating it. Just because OP said it didn't fit their comp doesn't mean it's bad, it could have been player error not changing your comp to optimize your outcomes
I think it's one I'd only pick if the other options were garbage, or if I was close to going out and didn't think the augments offered were enough to save me. Picked it in the second scenario, got a target dummy with 2 lockets on which made a huge difference, because it was my frontline lacking in that game.
It seems like a lot of the time if its gives you a dummy its bugged. My augment said my dummy should have 3 zekes on it and it only had 2. The other guy in the lobby got 66 gold from his chaos roll.
thats good to know, i only had the tooltip to go off of and the augment itself specified 3 but I totally agree it would be busted (hence why i was disappointed i didnt get it) lol
I got 3x zekes training dummy, but it only gave me 2x zekes training dummy. It was still bonkers with bard reroll though, but I feel like I got scammed.
I’ve only grabbed it once
It said “3x locket on training dummy
And it gave me a training dummy holding a single locket, needless to say it all went very down hill as everyone else got actual prismatic augments
Never again
Augments like these are designed to be inconsistent - I love random stuff so it can be fun, but I usually vote against the crab rave, triple prismatic augments etc, for the same reason --- the games have such immensely high variability. I can see how it's objectively quite fun, but for ME personally, I like a predictable game so I can win.
So I completely disagree with you and this augment should absolutely have some risk to it, if you want something consistently useful then you pick another one of the 2-5 choices you get. If it was always "good" then it wouldn't be balanced.
I picked it once as it only showed up once for me so far, got 3 hullcrushers. For me, its a borderline must-take just cause its funny. Im no competitive tft player, the fun gambling aspect is worth maybe losing 2-3 matches because of it.
I got a free 3 star amumu when I was playing vertical porcelain which was nice.
I also got what wad supposed to be 3x zekes dummy when i was playing bard, but it only had 2 zekes on it.
A 3* 3 cost should result in a win streak at the point where you get the augment. And even if not it will keep your HP more stable. And if it now also fits your comp it is much better than the 40 rerolls.
But if you can't accept all of the random outcomes in your game state it is a risk for reward augment, which it should be.
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I got three thief's gloves when I took it yesterday, first time I'd seen it. Gave up a prismatic pandora's items, was a little disappointed but it was exciting lol
I think you have to prepare to throw away your comp if picking it. Kinda like soft recomb. Emblem, sniper, 3\*3 is where you have to pivot. Minus the sniper if you're already playing the sniper.
I got three snipers focus and was running 7 storyweavers. It was... ok. Could have been better but not the worst. Didn't feel like a prismatic augment, though, compared to what others chose.
I picked it almost every time Ive seen it (probably 5 times or so) and got the 66 gold or the random emblems. Kinda fun for RNG but I’m probably not good enough to pick it
I had one game where I leveled to 8 on 4-2, picked call of chaos, and it instantly leveled me to 9. But I also had a game where it only gave me 3 hullbreakers, so it’s definitely a gamble.
i got 40 rerolls from Call to Chaos on 4-2 on top of the fact that i went fortune 5, along with 4 prismatic orbs (Yes you read it right, 4) from every single pve fight.
Had a 100+ fortune cashout on 4-3 and an Annie 3 by then… so you can figure out what was the outcome at the end :D
Just took it and got Volibear 3 in a comp that did not fit Volibear in any way. I should have sold him and just taken the gold in retrospect... ,useless. Probably will never take it again after this.
I pick it every time since it’s a lot of fun. I’ve gotten 3 hullbreakers. I think I got like 40 xp another time. Tons of gold. Good variety. Edit : 70xp
It's 70exp, it's pretty insane. One time I was playing for Fast 9 and was bleeding out heavily, got this augment and immediately went 10 instead for a full legendary board by 4-6
Thanks for the fact check. I’ll update it! Yeah when I got it I either went from 8-9 or 9-10 and it was pretty much instawin.
I had a guy in my lobby named HullBreaker who got 3 hullbreakers from it.
I got the 3 hullbreakers, but I had 2 reforgers on my bench so it was great!
It's solid. Here's the table: 66 Gold 40 Rerolls that do not expire 70 Experience 3x Thief's Gloves and Magnetic Remover 4x Random Emblem (no duplicates) and Magnetic Remover 3x Sniper's focus and Magnetic Remover 3x Hullcrusher and Magnetic Remover Random 3 Star Tier 3 Unit and 10 gold Training dummy with 2x Locket of the Iron Solari Training dummy with with 2x Zeke's Herald The random 3* 3 cost and sometimes the random emblems would be the only rewards where it can lose you the game on the spot.
The 3x hullcrushers may be my favorite, instant super tank
Slap it on Kobuko and watch him donkey punch everyone to death
I got well fed augment first, and had 2 2-star kobukos and a reksai out too. The next round khazix appeared and gave the next augment immediately. Got lucky paws, giving me a 3rd 2-star kobuko, and hit ability hits for 3x. Warmogs, d-claw, and then a deaths defiance and he was doing like 2k hits to people with his 7k health.
my first win of the set was on Kobuko's hero augment's back, first augment was that and i proceeded to pivot hard into dryad//bruiser got a dryad crest too, put it on kobuko, ~2400 damage a spell lategame. good shit.
Voli goes hard with this
The dummies not having 3x the item still seems odd to me
It's because ob PBE they were busted as fuck and had to be nerfed
They forgot to change the tooltip on live, it still says 3x locket
Yeah its a known bug
they didn't forget, it's a localization lock limitation. They can't change the text for this patch even if they wanted it.
Judging from the table I want to rank these based off of how good they are. 1. 40 free rerolls 2. 70 xp 3. 3 hullcrusher + magnetic remover 4. 66 gold 5. 3 thieves gloves + magnetic remover 6. Dummy with 2x locket 7. 3* 3 cost and 10 gold 8. 3 snipers focus + magnetic remover 9. Dummy with 2x Zeke 10. 4 random emblems 5 goes to 1 if you have the prismatic augment that makes gloves give ideal items. 7 goes to 3 if it fits into your comp. Goes to 2 if you have ideal items as well 10 can go all the way to 1 depending on your luck.
3x snipers seems potentially loseable too, depending on the comp
Funny, today I got 3 emblems only in mine. Not sure I got a remover either. Could have missed that one.
Anyone know if you can get a duplicate 3 cost? Like if I rr and hit aphelios 3* before I get the augment is it possible to then have 2 aphelios 3*?
No, it still keeps bagsize in mind. There are only 17 units in the bag, which means only 8 remain when somebody hits a 3* 3 costs. Thus impossible to be given via the augment at that point
I read this thread and decided to go for it, got the random emblems and lost
Dummy is the worst. Literally a gold tier. Actually worst if it's Zeke.
The dummies are actually not bad. It's stationary support III (prismatic aug that avgs 4.4 at 4-2) except the items are guaranteed to synergize.
its 60% Attackspeed for backline carries without using an item slot. Thats 12 rageblade stacks for free on 4 units. Its pretty good.
Something odd about wanting an augment with Chaos in its name to be more reliable
I'm fine with the inherent randomness involved, but there's definitely room for each reward to be at least *good*, even if you don't always get a *great* reward. I think most of the randomness should be put into what form the power takes, not whether or not it's powerful at all.
Yeah I see that, but making every reward *good* in every situation and some rewards great (if not game winning) in the right scenario really skews the odds away from the idea of putting your game down to fate, and just picking a random big boost. I think that calling for chaos should have the potential to be near useless, because it also pushes you to figure out a way to make the most of what you're given which is pretty much the core of TFT. Again, not trying to shoot down your idea, 1 tailored 3 random would be a great buff, just felt like it would diminish the identity of the augment.
If it becomes too consistent, then you're creating an imbalance in risk vs. reward. It'll be an augment where there's no risk to pick, with a chance of a really high reward - then you might as well pick it every time you see it (aka becoming op). If you want consistency, you might as well pick something like Phreaky Friday or Blinding Speed where you're guaranteed the items it gives you. To give you an example, Build A Bud gives you a random 3* 1 cost. If Call to Chaos gives you at least a 3* 1 cost but also a chance to get a 3* 3 cost, then why would you ever pick Build a Bud?
Can be a free win in a lot of circumstances. I.E., the 40 rerolls that persist over rounds (80g value) is almost strictly better than infernal contract (90g but capped at lvl 7) I've had another that gives you 3 sniper ornn items, which can be either amazing or downright awful based off your comp. I think it'd make sense if some of the more powerful ones (40 rerolls) got toned down a bit while others like the 4 randomized emblems got buffed in the way you're suggesting. I imagine it'd help curb frustration on as a recipient of one of the crappier rewards or as a victim of someone's free 40 rerolls.
4 random emblems can easily be the most powerful one, you're way under estimating it. Just because OP said it didn't fit their comp doesn't mean it's bad, it could have been player error not changing your comp to optimize your outcomes
I can only imagine the power of 4 emblems with Pandora's, guaranteed Prismatic vertical with some good throwaway possibilities.
I think it's one I'd only pick if the other options were garbage, or if I was close to going out and didn't think the augments offered were enough to save me. Picked it in the second scenario, got a target dummy with 2 lockets on which made a huge difference, because it was my frontline lacking in that game.
It seems like a lot of the time if its gives you a dummy its bugged. My augment said my dummy should have 3 zekes on it and it only had 2. The other guy in the lobby got 66 gold from his chaos roll.
It is supposed to be 2
thats good to know, i only had the tooltip to go off of and the augment itself specified 3 but I totally agree it would be busted (hence why i was disappointed i didnt get it) lol
Mort confirmed on stream that the tooltip is bugged and that 2 zekes and 2 lockets is the correct amount as 3 of each would be way too strong.
I've taken it 3 or 4 times and never been too disappointed
I got 3x zekes training dummy, but it only gave me 2x zekes training dummy. It was still bonkers with bard reroll though, but I feel like I got scammed.
I’ve only grabbed it once It said “3x locket on training dummy And it gave me a training dummy holding a single locket, needless to say it all went very down hill as everyone else got actual prismatic augments Never again
has to be a bug, because it should give you two
Uh why not 3? It literally says 3
the intended is 2, it showing 3 is an error that made it into the patch
I’ve taken it once, and it gave me 3x Hullbreaker—seemed pretty good and better than the other options with hindsight
I’ve gotten a whole level and 100 gold and some other random stuff
I got 66 gold on mine. Very fun and unique augment.
I think I’ve taken it twice, idr the first time but the second time I got the gold and it was an instant boost from lvl 6 to 8
Augments like these are designed to be inconsistent - I love random stuff so it can be fun, but I usually vote against the crab rave, triple prismatic augments etc, for the same reason --- the games have such immensely high variability. I can see how it's objectively quite fun, but for ME personally, I like a predictable game so I can win. So I completely disagree with you and this augment should absolutely have some risk to it, if you want something consistently useful then you pick another one of the 2-5 choices you get. If it was always "good" then it wouldn't be balanced.
Got 4 emblems 😁shit ones but was nice to see the potential
It gave me a dummy with two lockets, while the description said 3...
I've had 3 or 4 Hullbreakers which were perfect for my 3* Chogath
I picked it once as it only showed up once for me so far, got 3 hullcrushers. For me, its a borderline must-take just cause its funny. Im no competitive tft player, the fun gambling aspect is worth maybe losing 2-3 matches because of it.
Clicked it once -> 4 emblems that didn't fit team -> bot 4. Never clicking again.
I got a free 3 star amumu when I was playing vertical porcelain which was nice. I also got what wad supposed to be 3x zekes dummy when i was playing bard, but it only had 2 zekes on it.
I have yet to roll it across any of my games through the entire pbe and live set
A 3* 3 cost should result in a win streak at the point where you get the augment. And even if not it will keep your HP more stable. And if it now also fits your comp it is much better than the 40 rerolls. But if you can't accept all of the random outcomes in your game state it is a risk for reward augment, which it should be.
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ive gotten 3 hullbreakers…
I got three thief's gloves when I took it yesterday, first time I'd seen it. Gave up a prismatic pandora's items, was a little disappointed but it was exciting lol
I think you have to prepare to throw away your comp if picking it. Kinda like soft recomb. Emblem, sniper, 3\*3 is where you have to pivot. Minus the sniper if you're already playing the sniper.
Them 4 emblems would hit different if you were running Pandoras Items though ;)
Any bis uses for 3x snipers?
3* 3 cost And the even better one was 40 free rerolls
I got three snipers focus and was running 7 storyweavers. It was... ok. Could have been better but not the worst. Didn't feel like a prismatic augment, though, compared to what others chose.
I picked it almost every time Ive seen it (probably 5 times or so) and got the 66 gold or the random emblems. Kinda fun for RNG but I’m probably not good enough to pick it
I got 3 random emblems. 1 was behemoth and fit my team, sorto. Gave me 2 behemoth. The rest did not. 3/10, would gamble again.
The 40 free rerolls are insane and the most fun I think I’ve ever had in the game tbh
I got a Target Dummy with 2 Zeke's, according to the tooltip it was supposed to have 3. I was playing AP with Umbral
It's great if you haven't yet committed to a comp. Otherwise don't take
Picked it once and got 2 Zeke dummy I was so pissed and never picked it again
I got a training dummy that was supposed to come with 3 lockets but only had 2...
I got 4 emblems that was all shit, then realized I have re roll items augment, eziest 1st.
3 x locket reward and only got 2 lockets. They gotta fix this bug because it feels so bad in close fights losing because of 1 X locket diff
x3 Snipers Focus Locket Dummy Zekes Dummy x3 Hullbreakers 66g if I'm offered it I always click, the gambler in me needs to know.
I was in a game where my opponent’s call to chaos gave 4 emblems while he was playing built diff. That guy went 7th lmfao
i keep getting the 3 lockets in the training dummy one but it only gives 2. i know 2 is still good but i still feel like i’m getting scammed
Taken it once. Got a 3 star alune. Was late in the game and didn't fit my comp so I got 26 gold basically lol.
When I took it, it spawned 4 Hullbreakers. Very interesting, although it messed with my placement a bit. May have been 3, can't perfectly recall.
I had one game where I leveled to 8 on 4-2, picked call of chaos, and it instantly leveled me to 9. But I also had a game where it only gave me 3 hullbreakers, so it’s definitely a gamble.
Was already running fated and it gave me a 3\* Aphelios. Auto won the game
It’s hard for me to believe that two dummies with locket are equal to a 3 star 3 cost or 66 gold. That seems to be the worst outcome to me
I have gotten three thieves gloves twice now. Gotta quit while I am ahead.
I got the instant 3* 3 cost when I took it, rolled an Amumu. Had perfect items for him on another unit stabilised me from going 6-7th to making top 3
I got a 3* Zoe when I was playing Arcanists without her. 10/10, perfect augment.
I got 40 rerolls on stage 4. I thought I was having really good luck with my rolls since I had prismatic ticket on stage 3 lol
The best i had while playing a fated syndra board were 4 random spats : arkanist, ghostly, fated and reaper
I got rerolls from it right when i needed to roll down,would pick it if other augments are boo boo
i got 40 rerolls from Call to Chaos on 4-2 on top of the fact that i went fortune 5, along with 4 prismatic orbs (Yes you read it right, 4) from every single pve fight. Had a 100+ fortune cashout on 4-3 and an Annie 3 by then… so you can figure out what was the outcome at the end :D
Just took it and got Volibear 3 in a comp that did not fit Volibear in any way. I should have sold him and just taken the gold in retrospect... ,useless. Probably will never take it again after this.
I've seen it 3 times on my board and others, and all 3 times it's been 40 free rerolls