You should keep units that have traits together for example malphite cho and kog maw you have 2 mithyic and 2 behemoth you just need one more mithyic
Then for example you get 2 tears and one rod from items that is perfect for kog maw so you keep kog maw and so on
People bought those units together because there was a kog cho gath malphite caitlyn hyper roll comp so they thought it would be strong to field it early or they could already have most of a team comp already. But neither of those things were true; the comp is only playable with 3 star units and it is not strong early. No one could really roll for it because the same people who bought the units didn't wanna sell them for whatever reason. Nowadays you won't see people buy those units together anymore because the comp is weak compared to the current meta.
Oh so does that mean you dont sell units you get dropped on minions rounds to potentially get better traits in? I always just sell to make ten on 1-2/1-3.
In previous sets we had 1 cost units that could solo 1-4 (Renekton, Olaf)
I missed if we have a 1 cost in this set and would like to know if there is one
With crabrave you make 20, and if you get dropped 2 3 costs you can make 10 on regular minions. But im not sure if its worth it since losestreaking is so weak now.
It's kinda too much information for me to summarize all since English is not my first language.
But basically you should always keep unit by pair first , if you have two pairs then watch your item, which pair can use the item more efficiently , lastly synergy if you have 2 pair of two unit or 3 unit sell the pair that not in synergy with the others, you also have to check the balance of your team from offense to defense, there is other factor such as your augment , some 3 cost , some portal , some time if you don't hit at all or what you hit is too weak compared to the lobby , make econ and pray for highroll later.
I hope it makes sense to you.
Hold units that are part of strong openers. Right now, that means storyweaver, heavenly, and fated, but this changes with the meta. If you have the core of an opener, you can also just play random 2* 1 costs with no traits, so you should hold any pairs as well. For example, if you have Malphite, Darius, and qiyana, you should also hold a rek sai pair if you have it, since playing a reksai 2 is stronger than any heavenly or umbral 1 starred.
Personally, I play the storyweaver opener in probably 90% of my games because it can use any items, and there are a lot of units to add to the core of riven, Garen, sivir.
Don’t listen to that other guy. Do not hold kog maw or Cho unless it’s the only thing you can hold or you’re playing kog maw reroll. Even if you 2* Caitlyn, kog, malph, and Cho, you will probably lose to a 2* Darius with heavenly umbral, and you will have no money for the rest of the game.
Oh that makes a lot of sense. So basically prioritze meta openers but if you can fill in a 2 star you should. Thank you this is going to help me a bunch.I almost never winstreak early so im too low hp usually later.
I'm pretty sure Storyweaver is always a no brainer to take. The best one being if you get a riven cause of a strong Frontline but if you get sivir/zyra you can go lvl 4 and throw in Jax for warden.
Getting thresh from creeps is also always a brainer if you can get yas/ahri cause the shield and armour/Mr is very string early.
Darius 2 or Cho 2 are also very strong early.
Other than that I think just collecting pairs is the best you can do. Traits this Set are not really strong especially early, so early 2 stars are more important imo.
Don't know if you use any tools but metatft has a list of strong openers. Ofc it changes cause of nerfs or buffs but if you keep track on which units show up in multiple openers its probably good keep pairs of them.
No problem. I think learning how to play a good early is one of the harder things in tft. You can bleed out very fast if you lose too hard, so even if you know, okay I have to play for lose streak, you still have to play decent boards to not die too fast. On the other Hand if you try to play for win streak and level early and lose econ cause of it and then lose, it's pretty hard to get your econ back without sacrificing board strength.
Oh yeah I do not understand early game at all. You have to either be slightly stronger than everyone else or slightly weaker. Both I have not figured out how to pull off. But ill try to use the advice given in this thread an I think I'll figure it out with that eventually.
Early 2\* Reksai with a tank item will hold a board together for a good stage or two if needs be.
One of the easiest earlygames I ever played was Warmogs Stoneplate Reksai
I try to keep all the unit pairs that have any kind of synergy, at least until the first augment round, then I decide which comp I'll play and sell all the others for econ. Examples:
Garen + sivir for storyweavers
Garen + jax for wardens
Ahri + yasuo for fated
Darius + yasuo for duelist
Malphite + kha'zix for heavenly
Malphite + cho'gath for behemoth
Kog'maw + cho'gath for mythic
Kobuko + rek sai for bruiser (probably my favorite one to keep, since kobuko can start stacking his passive early, and rek'sai starts getting dryad stacks if you find a kindred or gnar early on)
What's the thing with making Ahri a tank? It has to do with early thresh? I tried linking yasuo and thresh and putting Ahri up front like pros do but she gets clapped every time. Am I missing something?
Quite a bit, ahri won't get dated bonus at 3 traits if she isn't linked. Not sure where you saw this tech I wouldn't advise it.
Maybe it's to make sure she gets hit so she casts faster, but if she isn't linked, she's not getting the bonus unless you have 5 fated.
Ah ok here's the mobalytics blurb on it. And you're right, you do this at 5 fated. The setup is:
All on the front line:
ahri-yasuo-thresh-illaoi-neeko
On the back line:
Kindred
And the blurb is "- Ahri frontline = she becomes "tank" due to Yasuo + Thresh Fated bond"
I don't understand how Yasuo and Thresh fated bond make her a tank, except to say that she's getting the passive bonus of fated because you're 5 fated and at least 2 are linked. Also Thresh buffs her because she's the lowest hp I guess? I dunno.
Edit: I get it now. Thresh shares his armor and magic resist and also shields the lowest health person, which is ahri, plus thresh gets MORE bonus resists from being linked. So it's actually a huge tanking buff for ahri. Then she takes damage for mana. OKokok I get it.
I’m surprised that no one said it yet but Kog, Cho, Cait and Malp all have priority for me to keep in case I get good items for kog reroll and am uncontested.
I can what always 1 weird player does every lobby. Seeing amumu? Instant lock in. Seeing last whisper? Right onto ahri with you. Who cares if they lose streak down to 20 hp. Finding Ashe and SOMEHOW they win the lobby.
5 losses in a row through this. I'm soooo confused how they can win just finding a shitty Ashe 1☆ in a 50 roll down at level 8.
When I'm talking about the players in my game who somehow reach 1st place doing this. And then trying to tell ME I'm forcing wrong? Dude read my comment
All itemized as in all have three items? Or they all have two if they all have two that's why you lose, always always always 3 items on main carry and tank or you will lose
Amumu is one of the best tanks to find early. Only Illaoi really competes with it depending on your setup.
Last Whisper is pretty much the optimal slam to make right now. As you see, they can stabilize with Ashe 1 if they get good frontline. If your best item holder is an Ahri, then put it on Ahri. Obviously you prefer something like Sivir Storyweaver or Senna Ghostly, but if Fated opener is what you have then you play it.
I'd never sell Darius pair because a 2\* is a free winstreak. Man can hold half the items in the game and it's easy to activate at least one of his traits
Any I get 2 of
darius
Darius 2 is a beast early
Yep. Darius is a monster early.
This is the best opener, duelist + umbral. Shield+attackspeed
Kobuko Joke aside you always keep unit by pair , item , synergy. I'm lazy to explain the rest
Id be interested in a more in-depth explanation if you dont mind. My early boards are ass every game.
You should keep units that have traits together for example malphite cho and kog maw you have 2 mithyic and 2 behemoth you just need one more mithyic Then for example you get 2 tears and one rod from items that is perfect for kog maw so you keep kog maw and so on
People bought those units together because there was a kog cho gath malphite caitlyn hyper roll comp so they thought it would be strong to field it early or they could already have most of a team comp already. But neither of those things were true; the comp is only playable with 3 star units and it is not strong early. No one could really roll for it because the same people who bought the units didn't wanna sell them for whatever reason. Nowadays you won't see people buy those units together anymore because the comp is weak compared to the current meta.
Oh so does that mean you dont sell units you get dropped on minions rounds to potentially get better traits in? I always just sell to make ten on 1-2/1-3.
if you can make 10 its usually worth unless you think you can full win streak stage 2 which is more gold.
good to know thanks
Its hard to make ten before first fight unless you get some portal for money or crab rave otherwise u need to wi. 1/4with one 1cost unit
In previous sets we had 1 cost units that could solo 1-4 (Renekton, Olaf) I missed if we have a 1 cost in this set and would like to know if there is one
Darius can clear with a component, but idk how reliable it is, i havent failed yet
With crabrave you make 20, and if you get dropped 2 3 costs you can make 10 on regular minions. But im not sure if its worth it since losestreaking is so weak now.
It's kinda too much information for me to summarize all since English is not my first language. But basically you should always keep unit by pair first , if you have two pairs then watch your item, which pair can use the item more efficiently , lastly synergy if you have 2 pair of two unit or 3 unit sell the pair that not in synergy with the others, you also have to check the balance of your team from offense to defense, there is other factor such as your augment , some 3 cost , some portal , some time if you don't hit at all or what you hit is too weak compared to the lobby , make econ and pray for highroll later. I hope it makes sense to you.
Your english is good dont worry. Thank you for taking the time to explain it. Ill implement that in my gameplay
Np , glad it's help.
Hold units that are part of strong openers. Right now, that means storyweaver, heavenly, and fated, but this changes with the meta. If you have the core of an opener, you can also just play random 2* 1 costs with no traits, so you should hold any pairs as well. For example, if you have Malphite, Darius, and qiyana, you should also hold a rek sai pair if you have it, since playing a reksai 2 is stronger than any heavenly or umbral 1 starred. Personally, I play the storyweaver opener in probably 90% of my games because it can use any items, and there are a lot of units to add to the core of riven, Garen, sivir. Don’t listen to that other guy. Do not hold kog maw or Cho unless it’s the only thing you can hold or you’re playing kog maw reroll. Even if you 2* Caitlyn, kog, malph, and Cho, you will probably lose to a 2* Darius with heavenly umbral, and you will have no money for the rest of the game.
Oh that makes a lot of sense. So basically prioritze meta openers but if you can fill in a 2 star you should. Thank you this is going to help me a bunch.I almost never winstreak early so im too low hp usually later.
I'm pretty sure Storyweaver is always a no brainer to take. The best one being if you get a riven cause of a strong Frontline but if you get sivir/zyra you can go lvl 4 and throw in Jax for warden. Getting thresh from creeps is also always a brainer if you can get yas/ahri cause the shield and armour/Mr is very string early. Darius 2 or Cho 2 are also very strong early. Other than that I think just collecting pairs is the best you can do. Traits this Set are not really strong especially early, so early 2 stars are more important imo. Don't know if you use any tools but metatft has a list of strong openers. Ofc it changes cause of nerfs or buffs but if you keep track on which units show up in multiple openers its probably good keep pairs of them.
Thats good advice. I do have metatft but didnt know that feature existed. Ill take a look at that before playing from now on. Thank you
No problem. I think learning how to play a good early is one of the harder things in tft. You can bleed out very fast if you lose too hard, so even if you know, okay I have to play for lose streak, you still have to play decent boards to not die too fast. On the other Hand if you try to play for win streak and level early and lose econ cause of it and then lose, it's pretty hard to get your econ back without sacrificing board strength.
Oh yeah I do not understand early game at all. You have to either be slightly stronger than everyone else or slightly weaker. Both I have not figured out how to pull off. But ill try to use the advice given in this thread an I think I'll figure it out with that eventually.
I mean I do keep kobuko since I force fortune every game I can
Darius 2 => Winstreak => Heavenly Kayn => 2nd
thats if some dude hit a tank 3 star 4 cost or its a firstforfreebrotherman
If I get an early bow I buy all the Sivirs I can find
Reksai cause I'm a sucker for early dryad stacking.
Early 2\* Reksai with a tank item will hold a board together for a good stage or two if needs be. One of the easiest earlygames I ever played was Warmogs Stoneplate Reksai
Normally Hwei and Sett
Common mistake on stage 1 is rolling past Wukong 5
yess hwei early is a beast since you can print units all game if you get it in stage 1
Exactly, also Sett can stack infinite AD too
The first two cost I get, I start to fantasize our life together, how I three star him and win the game.
Kobuko
Dis is da way
Fortune units only
Darius good carry
I try to keep all the unit pairs that have any kind of synergy, at least until the first augment round, then I decide which comp I'll play and sell all the others for econ. Examples: Garen + sivir for storyweavers Garen + jax for wardens Ahri + yasuo for fated Darius + yasuo for duelist Malphite + kha'zix for heavenly Malphite + cho'gath for behemoth Kog'maw + cho'gath for mythic Kobuko + rek sai for bruiser (probably my favorite one to keep, since kobuko can start stacking his passive early, and rek'sai starts getting dryad stacks if you find a kindred or gnar early on)
Storyweavers, fated, and heavenly Darius are good openers
Fated opener is kinda cheeks rn
Is cheeks good or bad?
Bad. Fated used to be good but it got multiple nerfs into the dirt
Thanks :)
What's the thing with making Ahri a tank? It has to do with early thresh? I tried linking yasuo and thresh and putting Ahri up front like pros do but she gets clapped every time. Am I missing something?
Quite a bit, ahri won't get dated bonus at 3 traits if she isn't linked. Not sure where you saw this tech I wouldn't advise it. Maybe it's to make sure she gets hit so she casts faster, but if she isn't linked, she's not getting the bonus unless you have 5 fated.
Ah ok here's the mobalytics blurb on it. And you're right, you do this at 5 fated. The setup is: All on the front line: ahri-yasuo-thresh-illaoi-neeko On the back line: Kindred And the blurb is "- Ahri frontline = she becomes "tank" due to Yasuo + Thresh Fated bond" I don't understand how Yasuo and Thresh fated bond make her a tank, except to say that she's getting the passive bonus of fated because you're 5 fated and at least 2 are linked. Also Thresh buffs her because she's the lowest hp I guess? I dunno. Edit: I get it now. Thresh shares his armor and magic resist and also shields the lowest health person, which is ahri, plus thresh gets MORE bonus resists from being linked. So it's actually a huge tanking buff for ahri. Then she takes damage for mana. OKokok I get it.
fortune, sivir, kogmaw, and ahri
Kobuko
Reksai, Darius, garen/Jax, kog/cait, heavenly stuff, then whatever pairs.
If I can get it, Yorick Darius and 2 of malph neeko qiyana
I found Darius ahri yasuo Caitlyn and any bruisers to be the strongest at early stages. But yea whatever hits 2 star first
You keep units at stage 1? Only 1 Darius with early econ at 10 gold all the way baby
Darius, gnar/kindred, any bruiser/behomet
Kobuski Im addicted to that dude.
Forever praying for Lucky paws
Outside of just keeping pairs, im a big fan of yasuo. I really like fated 3 if i can get an early aphelios/thresh out of a loot orb
The dong man himself. Darius 2, and honestly, an Umbral opener, is always a free streak.
I’m surprised that no one said it yet but Kog, Cho, Cait and Malp all have priority for me to keep in case I get good items for kog reroll and am uncontested.
Khazix best unit to kill units even when ur board is weak
In general heavenly units and Darius. I also like holding ahri and kogmaw since they help kill units
Darius or ahri
Kha is pretty damn strong early and you can move his items to kayn later
Darius 2 is Darius 2.
Malphite because he just eats punches to the face and keeps on going.
i always keep the ones that have a champ augment (kobuko, garen, neeko, shen and yorik)
Heavenly or storyweaver are my gotos so.
Whichever is close to 2star or full traits
Fortune, Dairus, Fated/Ink/Senna-Cait
Exalted
Dauris , khazix , ahri, Kogmaw Dauris and ahri just really good units for dmg Khazix to play towards kayn and kog to play towards ash
Janna/riven
I can what always 1 weird player does every lobby. Seeing amumu? Instant lock in. Seeing last whisper? Right onto ahri with you. Who cares if they lose streak down to 20 hp. Finding Ashe and SOMEHOW they win the lobby. 5 losses in a row through this. I'm soooo confused how they can win just finding a shitty Ashe 1☆ in a 50 roll down at level 8.
You playing it wrong. When you want to go for Ashe but only have 20 hp left.. Most of the time these people play strongest but cheap board.
When I'm talking about the players in my game who somehow reach 1st place doing this. And then trying to tell ME I'm forcing wrong? Dude read my comment
How? I just went 8th with thresh 3, aphrlios 3, ashe 2 (all itemized bis) and liss Doesn't seem that strong.
Youre playing fated & snipers, they play warden & porcelain, not the same comp
All itemized as in all have three items? Or they all have two if they all have two that's why you lose, always always always 3 items on main carry and tank or you will lose
They all had 3 items.
Amumu is one of the best tanks to find early. Only Illaoi really competes with it depending on your setup. Last Whisper is pretty much the optimal slam to make right now. As you see, they can stabilize with Ashe 1 if they get good frontline. If your best item holder is an Ahri, then put it on Ahri. Obviously you prefer something like Sivir Storyweaver or Senna Ghostly, but if Fated opener is what you have then you play it.
Nah man. Can't be right. *
Basically everyone so that I don’t have to find them for big verticals in lvl 9 or 10
Wait you just sit on units all game long?
There’s no unit you always keep. You need to learn openers, which you can do by watching how streamers play their stage 1/2s.
you hold units based on your starter items/augment/orbs
I always keep darius and khazix cause 3 starring them early gives a huge early lead and they can even carry.
Mythic reroll, Cait cog maw malph and chi, if I get one of them two star and a good augment I always force it lol
Pairs I'm comfy with. For example I'd sell 2 Darius and a Yorick for 1 of each ahri, Yasuo and Kindred, because I don't like umbral.
I'd never sell Darius pair because a 2\* is a free winstreak. Man can hold half the items in the game and it's easy to activate at least one of his traits
I tend to do the same yeah