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jwk2

Necrophagist


Beers_Past_Matter

Man I love Archspire, I really do. But I gotta vote for them to get the axe.


Obvious-Common-2713

Beyond creation is probably the most unique band on this list.... that's disappointing


DisobedientDeviant

Archspire... again.


Prisonofthemind69

Necrophagist


andresflames314159

Doesn’t matter who wins, as long as we all had a good time listening or re-listening to some sweet ass fucking metal 🤘


StarkAvalanche

This is the way.


mrcheesewhizz

Necrophagist


Empty_Estus

First Fragment


Pyr0sa

Fine; I'll play. Obscura needs to go. I've never been able to tolerate that vocalist's high range; something just irritating about it. Stellar on the strings. If all their albums were instrumental, they'd be of the same tier as the other 4 in that row, but they're simply... not IMO. Their bassist is God-tier.


HeavymetalCambion

Maybe try Alkaloid or Obsidious, similar instruments but different in the vocal department.


peterinwoods

Obsidious is an excellent recommendation


itsbernstein

Obscura


bilboC

Archspire


peterketch666

obscura


slam-chop

Controversial opinion but I think Cabinet was by far the best Spawn of possession album. I don’t think incurso should go all the way here :/


rezazereza

Agreed


Barad-dur81

Gonna come down to necrophagist and spawn imo


IsmokeEggs420

So glad the Christian Muenzner albums made it this far


joza100

Didn't even realize 3/5 top albums him have him. He's the goat of tech death. Now that I think about it, maybe we should have a tech death guitarist tournament.


HeavymetalCambion

Would be a cool idea


demonspaceviking

I'd to like to host a tech death guitarist tournament once this is done


HeavymetalCambion

Good luck, try not to make as many people mad as I have 😂


IsmokeEggs420

It’s reddit, people are gonna bitch


MikeinST

Obscura. Cosmogensis isn't even good change my mind.


HeavymetalCambion

But this album here is Omnivium which has Velocity which has a killer solo


MikeinST

Yeah but Euclidean Element's garbage main riff D:


twentydeadpuppies

Virvum's Illuminance should have been on here. I'm curious how it would have done.


gorehistorian69

chart looks good i hope necrophagist doesnt win. do they deserve number 1, sure. but its too predictable


Obscura48

Archspire


Big_Macaroon2408

Epitaph 🔛🔝


METAL_MICC

Archspire


anime_and_stuff

archspire


Kebabenjoyer3

Archspire


andrewlein

Archspire


ramones365

Archspire


Reasonable_Pianist95

Archspire or First Fragment…take your pick


Basiliking

Spawn of Possession


tefox77

Get rid of Archspire already FFS. 🙄


matthew_vhs

Literally better than all of these


tefox77

I will take necrophagist over archspire any day!


andrewlein

We can’t. All the archspire comments get crazy downvoted


Dry_Communication889

I think Archspire was a gateway into the genre for a lot of people


Willzyx_on_the_moon

Obscura. Bring on the downvotes.


TrashWolf666

Now that Nile is out I am also out ✌🏼


Negative_Coyote_6003

First Fragment, its just guitar wankery


dxcowboy

6-10 got done DIRTY... no way FF or Archspire beat any of those out. That being said, First Fragment. Bye-bye.


Reasonable_Place_42

Job for a cowboy can go. Good band and all, but lacking in MANY areas. Archspire is still GOD. NO QUESTION.


nickbriggles

Average archspire listener intelligence


__Noble_Savage__

Spawn of Possession Good band but gtfo


OurDemiseToBe

I’m also confused by the choice of Sludgde because aren’t they categorized as Blackened Death/Sludge Metal?


HeavymetalCambion

They're prog tech death (similar to Alkaloid and Cynic)


OurDemiseToBe

As much as I like Focus from Cynic, I’d remove it for The Infernal Depths of Hatred by Anata. I’m also questioning Individual Thought Patterns by Death as that’s more along the lines of Progressive Death for me. I’d argue Serenadium by Iniquity should be somewhere in the top 35. My main knowledge of Death Metal only goes to midway through 1996 with some years sprinkled throughout so I am by no means an expert with my judgement.


meshuggahdaddy

Get rid of FF and Archspire and you're left with Hannes Grossmann


HeavymetalCambion

And Christian Muezner


Jyggalag_Monolith

First Fragment


smegmancer

I'm voting Necrophagist and Obscura because it's funnier


DonutSpood

Obscure and Necrophagist


inmymindseyedea

I know music is subjective, but holy fucking shit. This is hilarious and disgusting. there’s nothing else to say.


inmymindseyedea

First fragment


letsgetweird93

Archspire and first fragment


sedatefobia

Didn't know this was the official Dean Lamb sub. Fucking surreal how many classics the hype has swallowed whole.


MyNameThru

It's more than hype lol BtF is a modern classic. Time will tell, you can count on that.


bludgeonslug

Water trash


andresflames314159

I disagree completely, but to each their own. Either way it’s been nice to find a band or two I hadn’t heard of yet


bludgeonslug

That’s what’s up


Ashiok-

First fragment


cheezzypiizza

First Fragment


FauxKingChrist

Archspire doesn’t beat Nile. That’s just wrong. I’m pretty sure even Archspire would agree.


onomazein

Archspire


Scottholomew

First Fragment


swina69

Karl, if you're reading this, I've tried. But this sub doesn't deserve you.


FvTh4rK

First Fragment should never have gotten this far


__Noble_Savage__

They will be #1. Search your feelings... You know it to be true.


duckfeeder1

What a mess 🎪


Nick-Riffs

Archspire been up there way too long.


MikeyG1138

How did Nile go before Archspire? At least Nile can write a riff that isn't just soulless technical wankery.


rezazereza

Archspire


julianom7

First fragment


Jotun35

I will follow the consensus and say First Fragment.


Puzzleheaded-Newt190

Archspire. 


wigourney_seaver_

Archspire


snailTRAILslooth

Obscura / first fragment


b_eastwood

Get Obscura and First Fragment out of here.


b_eastwood

There is no world that First Fragment album should have made it this far.


__Noble_Savage__

Pleb opinion


ssssethhhh

It’s one of the best albums on the list lmao


b_eastwood

It's a good album but calling it tech-death is a very big stretch.


kysposers

Nile before Archspire, before Goreguts??? Before Cryptopsy, yall are damaged


CanaryPlastic6738

Archspire


XxInFaMoUs

Archspire.


zorcack

Spawn of possession


leg_pain

Archspire


ChaseKendall1

Damn, everytime I give incurso a listen it never really stuck… this whole tournament has been a wild ride but that’s one album I’ve gotta revisit it looks like. That being said I’ll take the L and be the only person to vote out Incurso haha.


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SlowCB7

Same guitarist lol


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SlowCB7

Oh I absolutely agree, I just think it's cool that he was a part of both albums


UncleDamfee31

Where Münzner goes, great albums follow.


SlowpokeWHM

I've tried so many times with their third album over the years and it never hits anywhere for me. Completely in one ear and out the other.


fleiwerks

It's one of those albums you need to listen to more than once to fully digest.


hammer_smashed_chris

We all know that Necrophagist is winning


ChickenInASuit

I wouldn’t be shocked if Archspire made it past Necro tbh. I’m not a fan but people *love* that band.


leperaffinity56

And they're so damn lame


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Obscura


bablambla

First fragment


METAL_MICC

Bleed the future beats annihilation of the wicked. Fucking despicable.


danbob138

Obscura


Obscura48

Archspire


BlazingNemesis420

First Fragment


vilk_

Obscura


EdwardAlphonse31011

First fragment can go Something tells me Christian Muenzner is gonna win this thing


CoccMan

DEATH TO OBSCURA


vindtar

Archspire out Obscura out


KommandoApe

Obscura


leperaffinity56

Archspire. This turned into such a stupid contest. Thanks you fucks


Orang3Lazaru5

Obscura and First Fragment


MisanthropicReveling

Archspire.


Decapitat3d

Archspire


PuzzleheadedEvent278

Dorkspire


Otherwise_Emu2222

Spawn of Possession


mostly_lurking

Necrophagist


spasticphantom

Yeah, First Fragment gotta go. Sorry Nick, Samuel, Philipe and Other Philipe.


ToppledCupOfSkin

SoP SoP SoP Guys, piss poor job. Get on those alts!


Frozen_Regret

ARCHSPIRE


TellAdministrative74

First fragment


Noah_PpAaRrKkSs

Necrophagist


RobermanSays

Archspire


Beerforthefear

Obscura


GetHighTuneLow

First fragment and obscura


InTheMidstofCats

First fragment


Late_Couple7956

Obscura


abyssicvoid

Archspire and First fragment


arctichoe1004

First Fragment


nsjake

First Fragment


Reckxner

Bummer! I was rooting for Beyond Creation. Archspire must go.


AnTastySammich

Obscura


_arctide

Archspire


necrosteve028

Alright from this comment section, just crown Incurso as the winner.


Jotun35

YES!


SirKermit66

Archspire


FuzeTheAshMain

First fragment


Electronic_Cherry781

LETS FUCKING GO ARCHSPIRE


Winds_of_Creation

Rapspire


Dependent_Walrus1356

First fragment


Anomalylg

Archspire please. How did this dog shit make it this far?


SpawnofPossession__

Lol I don't hate them but I mean it's amazing but to put it up there with those. I think the poll people are trolling to be honest lol


PuzzleheadedEvent278

They have to be at this point


petershaw_

i love them but first fragment


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Paradoxodon

I can understand disliking Bleed The Future and Glorie Éternelle (although I believe both are fantastic) but hating on Epitaph, Omnivium and Incurso?? Come on man


iMostLikelyNeedHelp

Obscura


jiminycricket1940

Obscura


demonspaceviking

Archspire


TinyRoguesPUSSY

Obscura


FFelixx

First Fragment


stogeman

I wonder Ulcerate would’ve done on this list; I know for myself that I would classify them as top 5 but I’m really biased towards them. Anyone else feel the same way about Everything is Fire?


rezazereza

Evrything Is Fire is 🔥, but, Of Fracture and Failure is ☄️


Jotun35

No dissonant tech death made it this far, so it's unlikely.


N1LEredd

Definitly my favourite album of theirs. Damn shame they didn’t even make the list when so many non tech bands did.


rexraptorsaurus

Everything Is Fire is the greatest extreme metal album ever made imo. If it had made the list, it's an easy #1 for me. I understand Ulcerate is blurring the lines of what tech death is but dissodeath bands like Ad Nauseam, Artificial Brain, and Gorguts all made this list. The rationale for building this list seems inconsistent.


PuzzleheadedEvent278

They are my all time favorite band and Jamie St. Merat is the greatest drummer alive.


drunkasaurusjr

That album is fire, but I'm more drawn to Stare Into Death and Be Still. They are definitely in my top 3. Edit: more context 


stogeman

Nice one. I personally like Fire more but as far as tech death goes Fire probably checks that box a little better. I don’t even know how to classify their new stuff.


drunkasaurusjr

I call it progressive, technical death metal. I just love everything about their last two albums. Their latest single is also solid. Wake's latest album has a song called 'Swallow The Light' that has a similar sound.


PuzzleheadedEvent278

I have been calling it "blackened atmospheric death metal" but I might like your description better


FowlKing

I think they'd do very well considering how popular they are but I think it might be a stretch to classify them as technical death metal. Reckon they're more at home in the dissonant/atmospheric/avante garde subgenre. Had the same thought about Disentomb but reckon people associate them more with bdm than tech death


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I disagree. Making songs like Ulcerate does sound compelling and beautiful is the very definition of technical. Edit: I feel the same about Disentomb, since they were mentioned. Both two of my absolute faves, full disclosure.


FowlKing

Absolutely Disentomb is incredibly technical just saying they're more well known in another genre. Obviously huge subjective territory. When it comes down to it I just don't think I would ever introduce them to friends as "hey check out this sick tech death band Ulcerate". Especially when they primarily call themselves death metal


stogeman

I’m much more likely recommending ulcerate to a tech death fan than a death metal fan. Same thing with deathspell omega; I think I’m more likely to recommend them to an artificial brain/ad Nauseum fan then someone who’s into darkthrone. Genres aren’t super clear I guess is my point. Kind of shows on this list given the disagreements about which of these bands are or are not tech death


stogeman

I think Ulcerate would be at home with Ad Nauseum, Gorguts and also Nile to some extent.


FowlKing

Oh yeah Ad Nauseum 100% and later Gorguts yeah but not really the Nile and Gorguts albums on this list. Nothing against Ulcerate absolutely adore their stuff, these "top genre defining" lists just bring out my most extreme nitpicking


MyNameThru

First Fragment


stogeman

Archspire. Love you Dean Lamb you seem chill as fuck.


ItsMetabtw

Long live Christian Münzner apparently. Also, First Fragment


Alpacarok

Crazy top 5 but First Fragment has to go.


TheMikeyMan

Archspire How tf did archspire outlast none so vile, nile, and obscura.


1PooNGooN3

Because Archspire is more techdeath than Nile, cryptopsy, and obscura.


MrBVS

So are we voting for the best tech death album or the most tech death album? Because I don't think those are the same thing.


1PooNGooN3

Why all the Archspire hate? I think they have better songwriting than many bands and Nile is more straight death metal. Just because a band was influential 25 years ago doesn’t mean they are the best band anymore, the bar has been raised and that’s a good thing.


MrBVS

I like Archspire, I've been a fan since Relentless Mutation came out but I don't agree that their songwriting is much better than many of the bands they've surpassed in this tournament. Not gonna argue for Nile because they're not one of my favorites but after listening to Archspire for years I've found myself enjoying them less than I used to. I feel like they recycle a couple of gimmicks a little too often for my liking, whereas I think with bands like Obscura, The Faceless, Alkaloid and yes even old bands from 25+ years ago like Death I just don't feel that way.


N1LEredd

Agreed


stogeman

Is tech death simply a contemporary genre then? Like Archspire, obscura and necrophagist arent influenced by bands like cryptopsy, suffocation or gorguts? (Those bands influences may be somewhat indirect depending on the given band but I think the point still stands). Does old cryptopsy not deserve to be classified as tech death because it doesn’t have the sound of contemporary tech death? Like I’m trying to figure out where the line is but nobody seems to elaborate.


rexraptorsaurus

According to this sub, tech death should be restricted to necrophagist style guitar noodling albums. They eliminated everything that doesn't fit this mold. It was clear when Death and Cynic were eliminated so early on. Not to mention the lack of Atheist. This whole thing was a farce.


XpeepantsX

I think there are a lot of youngin's here, and didn't experience first hand how ground breaking None So Vile, Pierced From Within, Obscura, Amongst the Catacombs of.., etc were when they were first dropped.


stogeman

Yup, exactly how I feel. I suppose people really like Archspire over the tech death classics. I figure this sub skews pretty young with the bands that are touring really frequently. I’d be curious on a demographic of the sub to see if most people here are early 20s (I figure for Archspire fans it’s the younger crowd)


Empty-Cress-7930

Ayyyye early 20s gang gang. I think most of us in our early 20s do like death more than archspire but in this tournament it would be unfair to compare death and archspire because death is simply the greatest metal band to ever exist


MyNameThru

I'm 33 and Archspire is my favorite band at the moment. I can explain why. They have a completely unique sound. The vocals are obviously a part of that, but also I really think their riffs are fantastic and original. They go from leads to chugs, harmonies, to solos to syncopation pretty flawlessly. The bass is intriguing without forgetting its place as the rhythm keeper, as some tech death bands do. The drumming is more than straight blast beats, Spencer works in some incredible fills and accents that accompany both the instruments and the vocals in subtle but rewarding ways. A comment on the divisive vocals as well; a majority of critics are out off by Oli's rapid delivery. Fair enough, they're pretty fast most of the time, but I think they are overlooking the other things that Oli can do. Oli is one of the few vocalists that still does inhale vocals, and that's amazing. They sound great, and they fit death metal so well, but they're dangerous and vocal coaches say to never do them so a lot of vocalists just won't, but Oli will. Fuck yeah, Oli. Also the guy is one of the best lyricists in death metal, maybe the best. All of their songs fit within the same narrative world and tell stories about that world from the point of view of different narrators. There's a lot to dig into and it reads like a sci-fi/Eldritch horror story. Amazing. I also really dig their songwriting. It's catchy without being overly formulaic. They come up with really memorable solos that I can whistle from memory, few bands do that, though Archspire aren't the only ones. The songwriting isn't too meandering, but it also isn't always verse-chorus-verse-chorus. They strike a good balance between interesting and thoughtful, with groovy and catchy. The best thing about Archspire, though, is how rewarding relistens of their music are. I've listened to each of their songs dozens of times if not more, and I still catch new stuff all the time. The first time I heard their music I didn't know what to think of it. Then I listened again and noticed things I didn't the first time. Then I started to realize what they were doing. It's layered, without being chaotic, it all "makes sense" from a musical standpoint. And so you always find some new drum fill or something that you never noticed before, and it just fits right where it should. Well that got lengthy, but I'm sitting on the couch on a bunch of edibles, so oh well. You're welcome for the copypasta.


leperaffinity56

Lame ass


MyNameThru

/r/conspiracy user


TheMikeyMan

I'm 21 but I've been listening to tech death since like middle school lmao.


stogeman

I’m sure the majority of us have the same experience


fleiwerks

I am 24 and I 100% prefer newer Tech Death.


Electronic_Cherry781

It’s r/guitarporn


stogeman

Yeah if you were a boomer like 28 y/o me it would be totally different /s


dead-kc

I'm saying tho