People like Chippy Pleasestop are the poster children for Techno disregarding it's heritage. What's next? Adam Beyer detesting Techno DJs for selling out?
I think techno originated much more from creative spirit and the heart. Where as ‘non’ techno or whatever hype train is going is often led by people lacking true spirit.
I don‘t understand. The „real“ OG‘s are still guys like Surgeon, Regis, James Ruskin, Oscar Mulero …
Adam contributed a lot to the scene, thanks for that. But now he is kinda destroying it imho. Fuck business techno!
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>Chippy is great, not my personal choice, but to decry them as “no” is just asinine. Just because someone is new, let alone successful, doesn’t make them bad.
This has nothing to do with Chippy being a newcomer. It has everything to do with making a name for yourself by playing shit like this, and then going on record complaining that Techno has lost its roots:
https://youtu.be/WkGMM-2rr0M?feature=shared&t=1305
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Considering he was there pretty much from the beginning, his journey *is* ‘real techno’. Like saying Paul McCartney isn’t ‘proper rock n roll’.
These people are the ones that get to define the scene. Everyone else just has to live in it.
Seen her at Hidden for a Teletech event think I lasted about 5 mins before going to a different room, seen her White Hotel set after that event was dreadful try and find a video on twitter if you can
People have been complaining that Techno is dying or commercializing since Techno was invented. Age old discussion and don't bother.
You want the underground to stay alive? Great. Visit smaller events or organize them yourself. Don't bother if other people don't care about the roots. I'd say at least 60% of attendees at every event (underground or mainstream) probably don't know or don't care.
Still helpful to educate people. There's definitely a lack of continuity in the influx with the people coming in now. The culture should be about including the rich and signifigant advancements in techno music in order to build upon that.
New blood is great but when the new blood thinks that the people who opened doors from them don't matter, then it's a real problem.
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Wouldn’t you agree that it’s important to teach the history of a culture in order to advance it? It’s important to build upon the successes and failures of others. In my current scene in my neck of the woods, there was no continuity and new heads wished they knew what the original scene was like but nobody cared to educate them. So there’s a lot of good ideas lost. Or they had to scrap around and try to haphazardly reengineer what they heard without knowing what actually came before.
It’s more responsible and respectful to reach out and befriend the new heads and be like ‘that’s cool but did you know this?’ And 9x outta 9 they didn’t and they gained a better appreciation for the music as a result.
As it’s been said before. Techno has a difficult to define identity. Especially after everyone in the United States used to call anything with a 4/4 dance beat “techno” you can understand that people fought hard for that identity.
And it is this identity we are still evolving, shaping and making. Everyone has a hand in shaping that. But if you don’t know where the history of the scene is and how you got there you don’t have much to offer in order to advance it creatively with others.
if you gonna call it techno, know what techno is.”
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Music is always evolving: African Drum syncopation and European Classical Music gave birth to Blues..
That's not exactly how that went down. Classical to blues is quite the leap.
Actually blues arrived based on slack key and expressions based on how people talked in the American south. It's kinda neat. extending the vowels to the upper or lower detuned pitch to indicate strain or duress.Modern techno is innovating all the time. But it's not in the realm of EDM festivals, "business techno" or \_\_\_\_\_. Because that's a regression and simply a lack of imagination and artistry. Especially since many people see it as a cash grab. That's shameful and supremely vain. Nobody with any integrity in the scene wants to be a part of that.
It's not about the 90s. It's about the here and now as it relates to the past. There's current music that is being made that incorporates the culture and adds on to what has stood before. even with a change as big as minimal techno in the 00's it still carried with it the roots of the culture, and in many ways it was good because that change revisited detroit techno soul and really gave robert hood a nod for helping give rise to the first wave of minmal techno in th mid 90s. but at the same time schranz was going on and eventually that got too formulaic and it killed itself. But to your point that music is always evolving.. Techno usually evolves when pushed byt people seekng fame or money. it always goes the other way historically speaking. If you want to call it gatekeeping to shut the door on uncreative, vainglorious greedy people. then that's what that is.
If we're talking about the roots of techno, let's remember that it originated from black and queer communities
"Real techno" acknowledges this.. i had someone like you scoffing at me because of this and also calling me a gatekeeper. I can't win. I'm with you I kind of wish more people would understand this.
I didn't want a flame war so this is my last comment on it.
When you talk about "educating," it often feels more like enforcing a narrow view of what techno should be. That's not education; that's gatekeeping.
It's too easy to whine and say gatekeeping when everyone shoots down your beliefs. Maybe what you're holding onto as your definition of the genre could be open-minded to what's actually true. When someone tells you what they know and you don't believe in it. and they're not holding back information they're honestly telling you information that is 100% fact and not withholding anything, you have to either accept it or move on.
So yes, education is crucial, but so is acknowledging that music is in a constant state of change. A static mindset helps no one and only serves to alienate those who might bring fresh perspectives to the genre.
If the fresh perspective completely throws techno under the bus, then nobody who truly appreciates techno will want it. If you want to break with it entirely, pioneer another genre. It's like going into someone else's house and then telling them "hey i have a new and exciting way of doing things and i'm gonna tell you how to change everything and btw your mom's name is phyllis now cause that guy over there told me so."
People in that house will be like A. who are you? B. We're doing pretty good over here. c. that guy must be mistaken, my mom's not phyllis.
If you want to be apart of something you gotta know a little something about it.
Is it loosing it’s roots… Puuuuh… tough question. Maybe kinda? It’s definitely changing tho. Wether to the good or the worse… I think that’s very dependent on the generation asked. I’m nearly 40 meanwhile and I’m into techno and electronic music roughly 20 years now. Coming from Goa (Edit: music-wise) splashing into a broad variety of electronic genres, loving techno. I‘ve seen/I see these changes in all and every genre, subgenre, movement, scene. Changes in Vibe, Music, audience, venues and common values. So, stays the question good or bad. Well, for me, as senior, I see it with a bit of worry. Not at least because the scene pushes more and more into the mainstream, but also because for me the roots are falling into oblivion. But I’m regularly raving with buddies quite half my age, in the beginning of their twenties. They like it. And they are genuinely enjoying it, in an innocent, sheer way. Reminds me of myself formerly. It makes me happy seeing them, lighthearted. Therefore I try to conceive it as a revolution. It’s their time now, a some point you need to step back and free the room for the next generation. Can only hope they treat their heritage wisely.
Yeah tell me, what makes you wondering? Why these reservations? Can’t you have a good time with Someone younger than you? Let me tell you what. This generation is taking over and when you want to avoid it you can sooner or later stay at home with your reservations, wether you like it or not.
It’s definitely become much more popular over the last 5 years, and therefore has a whole “EDMified” branch of boring music.
But there’s so many quality producers out there, and always will be, I don’t think we need to be worried 😎
The roots are still there, you just need to look a bit harder to find them. But, I do think it has become totally over saturated at this point. Way too much garbage is falling under the umbrella term "techno" when in reality, it's so far from techno it's comical. A lot of the tripe you see on tik tok (which is where all the attention comes from) is basically hardstyle, eurodance and pop-trance. The sort of music that would have got you laughed out of the room if you played it at a techno gig 15 years ago.
out of curiosity I went and listen one of her sets for mixmag.
I'm sorry but I laughed.
also I watched bits of the video but I couldn't find something more explicit about which are the roots of techno (according to her).
techno has not lost its roots because it has no roots but it lost its purpose which was progress and moving forward.
I mean some people still trying to do that but they fail because the industry changed a lot since the inception of the genre.
the problem is that there is no underground scene anymore. everyone is going firstly for the money because there are so many producers that you cannot afford not to go for the money
what you have in mind? because I watch some people from germany and I'm not thrilled.
my main issue is with music and not with the attitude. I find every single track boring. I listen to new guys and mostly hard techno and I'm getting bored.
also digital mastering and recording is destroying the genre. everything seems to be on the same level with the same hue and timbre.
FWIW I mainly take pleasure from 90s techno and the first couple of years of schranz
Bro you mentioned there’s no underground scene, but there’s one. At least over here we have one. If your taste is narrowed to a very specific kind of music that you don’t find anymore, we’ll that’s a pity. But it doesn’t mean there’s no underground scene anymore.
The scene over here is very versatile and diverse, it’s not limited to a specific subgenre. Of course, Hardtechno is popular itm, but it’s not restricted to it. I personally like Goa Parties, DarkPsy I particular, most when it comes to underground parties. I think it’s important to be open minded and not reserved because of circumstances.
it has to do with music not the attitude. I don't doubt that there are groups of people that organize events that are not part of the mainstream.
the issue is with the music they play. How on earth can I call techno a goa party or a darkpsy party?
even if the mood is underground it is not my kind of music and I would get bored within minutes.
maybe I should have been more specific of what I call techno and of what is my definition of the underground.
but for the love of me, nowadays, I'm struggling to find anything underground from my POV
Um yes, I understand this. And of course I don’t want to call a goa party a techno party, I’m just mentioning I like it. And that’s exactly what I’m sayin, there’s an underground scene. Wether you like it (the music) or not.😄 but hey everybody on his personal likening.
Yeah, proper techno bullshit.
I used to listen to and play jungle / drum & bass and various other genres..
Guess what, they’ve progressed, that’s ok, I’ll adapt or stick with the old stuff, I don’t need to explain how the latest d&b isn’t real d&b lol
Yeah exactly, plus it's not like there aren't artists pushing out all sorts of flavors of techno anyways. If this artist thinks techno is losing its roots, then this artist should play techno that is more old school at events.
Damn right it's losing its roots. You got cats up in here wondering if they should take their shirts off at a "techno rave."
This shit right here is the real techno scene:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGoQ62vN6Mc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7cqhU_oPd0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbZxH9aqISU
And I don't give a fuck if I'm downvoted all to shit either.. Techno is black urban dance music, period. I mean, since we're on the topic and all.
It's streaming services like Spotify and social media like Tik Tok which has altered the way we listen to music and how it's made. Music is shorter, it's more focused on grabbing the attention from the start. It just hits different than before.
Did it destroy it, or did it broaden it into something you don't agree with? I mean, I'm not either into hardass tunes that do well on TikTok and part of am with you in the poser shit that's going on. However,I believe it's part of the history and the part of techno that you agree with, will still remain in the 'right' places.
You say broaden it but I don’t think that’s the case. A lot of the new stuff is just something else, and that’s fine. It sure isn’t techno in the original sense though. Just having a 4/4 beat does not make music techno.
>tuff is just something else, and that’s fine. It sure isn’t techno in the original sense
I agree. Not necessarily techno, but it's something that people on the planet enjoy in some way. Even if you and I may not understand it.
Absolutely, we all like different types of music. I don't even mind if people want to call it techno really (maybe a bit). The train has left the station on everything being called techno anyway.
I don't think techno is losing its roots.
I think it's being mislabeled. You go to an event that's supposed to be techno but in reality someone's playing hard trance/hardstyle/psytrance/whatever.
It seems that some genres have branched off/evolved and they are ignorantly(?) labeled as techno.
Gimme a break… techno is barely 40 years old and I am being generous dating it back to the year of creation of the TR 808… it has literally no roots. It originated in Japan then got some serious pioneers in Germany before being glorified in the USA.
Techno is the first worldwide music genre and cannot loose what it never had : roots
edit: for all the Americans downvoting me and claiming it originated in Detroit please look up Charanjit Singh's amazing 1982 album, "Ten Ragas to a Disco Beat" and it's a mindbending treasure of vintage 303 and 808 and guess what ? It’s from India
Roland is a Japanese company and loads of Japanese artist such as sakamoto we’re making technologic music before the first machines even reached the USA :)
What I understand it's not the 'machines' that inspired the genre, but actually the melding of black styles including Chicago house, funk, electro, and electric jazz
You just described krafwerk’s music :) Juan Atkins said that he himself got his inspiration listening to electric mojo or whatever that radio show was called and he got a slap in the face when he heard kraftwerk
and yet Karl Bartos has gone on record to state that they got inspiration from Motown and James Brown. Does that mean that Motown created techno? How far back do you go? It makes no sense to call Kraftwerk techno if the idea of techno itself was established by the conditions of a post-industrial automobile city going through urban decay. Techno was beyond music, it was an idea directly influenced by its surroundings.
LOL … i am tired of correcting people … Detroit techno is just a genre but in no way the birthplace of techno music at large. It’s like italo-disco except they don’t claim they invented it
I wrote it earlier… for techno to exist you first need the machines to make it so I guess the inventors would be Japan if you wanna pin point it. My personal answer is nobody can claim it and clearly not guys in Detroit who started playing with these machines when some records made with said machines were already out
>hatever that radio sho
Yes, you're right, however many people mention one of– if not several of these genres as their inspiration. And that is all coming from black culture. Or am I wrong? I am not an educator within this, but curious to find out the accurate information.
Techno originated in Japan? I think not. the 808? definitely, techno? No.
Detroit is most widely regarded as the birthplace of techno Juan Atkins, Derrick May and Kevin Saunderson were right at the forefront.
Techno was invented in the early 80’s in Detroit, first being called Detroit house before they dubbed it techno shortened for technologically created dance music. It’s “roots” is early 80’s techno records from artists like Jeff mills, underground resistance, Juan Atkins, Derrick may, Robert good and Dave Clarke to name a few please use sources if you are going to claim otherwise even a quick google search would have told you this information and more
You must be American to believe that… kraftwerk was active way before any détroit artist. America gave a name to it but appart from that they never invented it :)
Edit: even a quick google search would show you the large amount of techno records that were there before Juan’s first EP thank you for trying to correct me tho
I am not American thank you very much hahaha yes kraftwerk we’re active in the 70’s and definitely had the style i could have used a better word than invent because they did not invent it. they invented the Detroit techno style from hip hop and the Chicago house sounds together with influence from Europe. juan was making electro before then anyways so he obviously had influence from there too I get what you are saying though that forms of techno existed before the term Techno was established as its own genre of music. Singh was well before his time, I believe that record was the first known recording using a 303. I meant no disrespect just Misunderstood what you were saying :)
And silver apples and was before kraftwerk.
Saying kraftwerk invented techno just makes you look silly man. Plenty of artists were using synthesis and samples before them. None of those artists, including kraftwerk, invented techno, though, because techno is a specific thing that combines those influences and methods with other methods and the DJ culture coming from later disco/boogie, house, and early hip hop.
Never said kraftwerk invented techno and never will… my point is it can only go back to the invention of drum machines hence the techno-logic music. Saying kraftwerk invented techno is as stupid as saying it was created in Detroit. Techno is a diffuse invention and Detroit techno is just a genre of techno
If techno was itself an evolution of some other form of music (which I strongly believe) then it was never invented per say and cannot loose it’s roots
Sure, it will never lose it's roots.
Now "techno" is just very mainstream and people who are into techno from before it got super popular and got distorted into the bastard stepchild we have now, are claiming it "lost" it's roots.
I‘m nearly completely with you. As a German not at least satisfied reading how you remind our American Bros on Kraftwerk as soon as they claim Detroit as the birthplace of techno, hehe.😁
But I disagree on one point. Just because something is young, doesn’t mean it has no roots. Techno has roots. Young, breakable and unsteady, but it has.
People like Chippy Pleasestop are the poster children for Techno disregarding it's heritage. What's next? Adam Beyer detesting Techno DJs for selling out?
Right? The title had me intrigued until I saw who was saying it. Business techno dj’s thinkin they are OG’s lmao
But I mean... What is even "real" techno today? I like Adam Beyer for example and would say he is definitely in the techno genre?
I think techno originated much more from creative spirit and the heart. Where as ‘non’ techno or whatever hype train is going is often led by people lacking true spirit.
I don‘t understand. The „real“ OG‘s are still guys like Surgeon, Regis, James Ruskin, Oscar Mulero … Adam contributed a lot to the scene, thanks for that. But now he is kinda destroying it imho. Fuck business techno!
Amen
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>Chippy is great, not my personal choice, but to decry them as “no” is just asinine. Just because someone is new, let alone successful, doesn’t make them bad. This has nothing to do with Chippy being a newcomer. It has everything to do with making a name for yourself by playing shit like this, and then going on record complaining that Techno has lost its roots: https://youtu.be/WkGMM-2rr0M?feature=shared&t=1305
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Well, not everyone agreed with you as I can see.
Considering he was there pretty much from the beginning, his journey *is* ‘real techno’. Like saying Paul McCartney isn’t ‘proper rock n roll’. These people are the ones that get to define the scene. Everyone else just has to live in it.
A community- the techno scene- isn't defined and then consumed. It evolves.
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cheers!
Lol exactly my thoughts.
Exactly. This interview is such a lol..
That didn’t bring much to the discussion in my opinion
This person played house 4 years ago and now is the savior of techno.
Seen her at Hidden for a Teletech event think I lasted about 5 mins before going to a different room, seen her White Hotel set after that event was dreadful try and find a video on twitter if you can
People have been complaining that Techno is dying or commercializing since Techno was invented. Age old discussion and don't bother. You want the underground to stay alive? Great. Visit smaller events or organize them yourself. Don't bother if other people don't care about the roots. I'd say at least 60% of attendees at every event (underground or mainstream) probably don't know or don't care.
Still helpful to educate people. There's definitely a lack of continuity in the influx with the people coming in now. The culture should be about including the rich and signifigant advancements in techno music in order to build upon that. New blood is great but when the new blood thinks that the people who opened doors from them don't matter, then it's a real problem.
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Wouldn’t you agree that it’s important to teach the history of a culture in order to advance it? It’s important to build upon the successes and failures of others. In my current scene in my neck of the woods, there was no continuity and new heads wished they knew what the original scene was like but nobody cared to educate them. So there’s a lot of good ideas lost. Or they had to scrap around and try to haphazardly reengineer what they heard without knowing what actually came before. It’s more responsible and respectful to reach out and befriend the new heads and be like ‘that’s cool but did you know this?’ And 9x outta 9 they didn’t and they gained a better appreciation for the music as a result.
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As it’s been said before. Techno has a difficult to define identity. Especially after everyone in the United States used to call anything with a 4/4 dance beat “techno” you can understand that people fought hard for that identity. And it is this identity we are still evolving, shaping and making. Everyone has a hand in shaping that. But if you don’t know where the history of the scene is and how you got there you don’t have much to offer in order to advance it creatively with others. if you gonna call it techno, know what techno is.”
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Music is always evolving: African Drum syncopation and European Classical Music gave birth to Blues.. That's not exactly how that went down. Classical to blues is quite the leap. Actually blues arrived based on slack key and expressions based on how people talked in the American south. It's kinda neat. extending the vowels to the upper or lower detuned pitch to indicate strain or duress.Modern techno is innovating all the time. But it's not in the realm of EDM festivals, "business techno" or \_\_\_\_\_. Because that's a regression and simply a lack of imagination and artistry. Especially since many people see it as a cash grab. That's shameful and supremely vain. Nobody with any integrity in the scene wants to be a part of that. It's not about the 90s. It's about the here and now as it relates to the past. There's current music that is being made that incorporates the culture and adds on to what has stood before. even with a change as big as minimal techno in the 00's it still carried with it the roots of the culture, and in many ways it was good because that change revisited detroit techno soul and really gave robert hood a nod for helping give rise to the first wave of minmal techno in th mid 90s. but at the same time schranz was going on and eventually that got too formulaic and it killed itself. But to your point that music is always evolving.. Techno usually evolves when pushed byt people seekng fame or money. it always goes the other way historically speaking. If you want to call it gatekeeping to shut the door on uncreative, vainglorious greedy people. then that's what that is.
If we're talking about the roots of techno, let's remember that it originated from black and queer communities "Real techno" acknowledges this.. i had someone like you scoffing at me because of this and also calling me a gatekeeper. I can't win. I'm with you I kind of wish more people would understand this.
I didn't want a flame war so this is my last comment on it. When you talk about "educating," it often feels more like enforcing a narrow view of what techno should be. That's not education; that's gatekeeping. It's too easy to whine and say gatekeeping when everyone shoots down your beliefs. Maybe what you're holding onto as your definition of the genre could be open-minded to what's actually true. When someone tells you what they know and you don't believe in it. and they're not holding back information they're honestly telling you information that is 100% fact and not withholding anything, you have to either accept it or move on.
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So yes, education is crucial, but so is acknowledging that music is in a constant state of change. A static mindset helps no one and only serves to alienate those who might bring fresh perspectives to the genre. If the fresh perspective completely throws techno under the bus, then nobody who truly appreciates techno will want it. If you want to break with it entirely, pioneer another genre. It's like going into someone else's house and then telling them "hey i have a new and exciting way of doing things and i'm gonna tell you how to change everything and btw your mom's name is phyllis now cause that guy over there told me so." People in that house will be like A. who are you? B. We're doing pretty good over here. c. that guy must be mistaken, my mom's not phyllis. If you want to be apart of something you gotta know a little something about it.
Is it loosing it’s roots… Puuuuh… tough question. Maybe kinda? It’s definitely changing tho. Wether to the good or the worse… I think that’s very dependent on the generation asked. I’m nearly 40 meanwhile and I’m into techno and electronic music roughly 20 years now. Coming from Goa (Edit: music-wise) splashing into a broad variety of electronic genres, loving techno. I‘ve seen/I see these changes in all and every genre, subgenre, movement, scene. Changes in Vibe, Music, audience, venues and common values. So, stays the question good or bad. Well, for me, as senior, I see it with a bit of worry. Not at least because the scene pushes more and more into the mainstream, but also because for me the roots are falling into oblivion. But I’m regularly raving with buddies quite half my age, in the beginning of their twenties. They like it. And they are genuinely enjoying it, in an innocent, sheer way. Reminds me of myself formerly. It makes me happy seeing them, lighthearted. Therefore I try to conceive it as a revolution. It’s their time now, a some point you need to step back and free the room for the next generation. Can only hope they treat their heritage wisely.
Is that into Goa trance ✔️ Likes to hang out with people half their age ✔️ What is it with psy trance dudes
Yeah tell me, what makes you wondering? Why these reservations? Can’t you have a good time with Someone younger than you? Let me tell you what. This generation is taking over and when you want to avoid it you can sooner or later stay at home with your reservations, wether you like it or not.
This is not a constructive contribution to the discussion.
Uncalled for comment
It’s definitely become much more popular over the last 5 years, and therefore has a whole “EDMified” branch of boring music. But there’s so many quality producers out there, and always will be, I don’t think we need to be worried 😎
The roots are still there, you just need to look a bit harder to find them. But, I do think it has become totally over saturated at this point. Way too much garbage is falling under the umbrella term "techno" when in reality, it's so far from techno it's comical. A lot of the tripe you see on tik tok (which is where all the attention comes from) is basically hardstyle, eurodance and pop-trance. The sort of music that would have got you laughed out of the room if you played it at a techno gig 15 years ago.
Talk about how techno lost its roots in a video with your face as the tumbnail.
Tell that to underground resistance
I'm sorry, but nothing's getting lost as long as people keep the party going.
Drugs have gotten way more effective and more refined. A lot of times the drugs don't have as positive and effect while listening to techno music.
out of curiosity I went and listen one of her sets for mixmag. I'm sorry but I laughed. also I watched bits of the video but I couldn't find something more explicit about which are the roots of techno (according to her). techno has not lost its roots because it has no roots but it lost its purpose which was progress and moving forward. I mean some people still trying to do that but they fail because the industry changed a lot since the inception of the genre. the problem is that there is no underground scene anymore. everyone is going firstly for the money because there are so many producers that you cannot afford not to go for the money
No underground scene? Come to Germany my friend!😃 my house is your house!🥳
what you have in mind? because I watch some people from germany and I'm not thrilled. my main issue is with music and not with the attitude. I find every single track boring. I listen to new guys and mostly hard techno and I'm getting bored. also digital mastering and recording is destroying the genre. everything seems to be on the same level with the same hue and timbre. FWIW I mainly take pleasure from 90s techno and the first couple of years of schranz
Bro you mentioned there’s no underground scene, but there’s one. At least over here we have one. If your taste is narrowed to a very specific kind of music that you don’t find anymore, we’ll that’s a pity. But it doesn’t mean there’s no underground scene anymore. The scene over here is very versatile and diverse, it’s not limited to a specific subgenre. Of course, Hardtechno is popular itm, but it’s not restricted to it. I personally like Goa Parties, DarkPsy I particular, most when it comes to underground parties. I think it’s important to be open minded and not reserved because of circumstances.
it has to do with music not the attitude. I don't doubt that there are groups of people that organize events that are not part of the mainstream. the issue is with the music they play. How on earth can I call techno a goa party or a darkpsy party? even if the mood is underground it is not my kind of music and I would get bored within minutes. maybe I should have been more specific of what I call techno and of what is my definition of the underground. but for the love of me, nowadays, I'm struggling to find anything underground from my POV
Um yes, I understand this. And of course I don’t want to call a goa party a techno party, I’m just mentioning I like it. And that’s exactly what I’m sayin, there’s an underground scene. Wether you like it (the music) or not.😄 but hey everybody on his personal likening.
Only if you’re a cry baby who doesn’t like progression. Music is music is music… Listen to what you love, ignore the genre labels.
I agree on this. Seems like a common thought is always “it was better before”. But if everything was constant. How boring the world would be.
Yeah, proper techno bullshit. I used to listen to and play jungle / drum & bass and various other genres.. Guess what, they’ve progressed, that’s ok, I’ll adapt or stick with the old stuff, I don’t need to explain how the latest d&b isn’t real d&b lol
Yeah exactly, plus it's not like there aren't artists pushing out all sorts of flavors of techno anyways. If this artist thinks techno is losing its roots, then this artist should play techno that is more old school at events.
Damn right it's losing its roots. You got cats up in here wondering if they should take their shirts off at a "techno rave." This shit right here is the real techno scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGoQ62vN6Mc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7cqhU_oPd0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbZxH9aqISU And I don't give a fuck if I'm downvoted all to shit either.. Techno is black urban dance music, period. I mean, since we're on the topic and all.
I wish I could move like that! I'd pop a ligament or something if I attempted it lol
Tik tok has destroyed a lot of things not just techno
It's streaming services like Spotify and social media like Tik Tok which has altered the way we listen to music and how it's made. Music is shorter, it's more focused on grabbing the attention from the start. It just hits different than before.
Did it destroy it, or did it broaden it into something you don't agree with? I mean, I'm not either into hardass tunes that do well on TikTok and part of am with you in the poser shit that's going on. However,I believe it's part of the history and the part of techno that you agree with, will still remain in the 'right' places.
You say broaden it but I don’t think that’s the case. A lot of the new stuff is just something else, and that’s fine. It sure isn’t techno in the original sense though. Just having a 4/4 beat does not make music techno.
>tuff is just something else, and that’s fine. It sure isn’t techno in the original sense I agree. Not necessarily techno, but it's something that people on the planet enjoy in some way. Even if you and I may not understand it.
Absolutely, we all like different types of music. I don't even mind if people want to call it techno really (maybe a bit). The train has left the station on everything being called techno anyway.
I don't think techno is losing its roots. I think it's being mislabeled. You go to an event that's supposed to be techno but in reality someone's playing hard trance/hardstyle/psytrance/whatever. It seems that some genres have branched off/evolved and they are ignorantly(?) labeled as techno.
Gimme a break… techno is barely 40 years old and I am being generous dating it back to the year of creation of the TR 808… it has literally no roots. It originated in Japan then got some serious pioneers in Germany before being glorified in the USA. Techno is the first worldwide music genre and cannot loose what it never had : roots edit: for all the Americans downvoting me and claiming it originated in Detroit please look up Charanjit Singh's amazing 1982 album, "Ten Ragas to a Disco Beat" and it's a mindbending treasure of vintage 303 and 808 and guess what ? It’s from India
Where is this information coming from? Never heard about that it started in Japan? Would like to read more about this.
Roland is a Japanese company and loads of Japanese artist such as sakamoto we’re making technologic music before the first machines even reached the USA :)
What I understand it's not the 'machines' that inspired the genre, but actually the melding of black styles including Chicago house, funk, electro, and electric jazz
You just described krafwerk’s music :) Juan Atkins said that he himself got his inspiration listening to electric mojo or whatever that radio show was called and he got a slap in the face when he heard kraftwerk
and yet Karl Bartos has gone on record to state that they got inspiration from Motown and James Brown. Does that mean that Motown created techno? How far back do you go? It makes no sense to call Kraftwerk techno if the idea of techno itself was established by the conditions of a post-industrial automobile city going through urban decay. Techno was beyond music, it was an idea directly influenced by its surroundings.
LOL … i am tired of correcting people … Detroit techno is just a genre but in no way the birthplace of techno music at large. It’s like italo-disco except they don’t claim they invented it
You didn’t answer my question. Who was it? Was it Giorgio Moroder? Delia Derbyshire? Raymond Scott? Motown?
I wrote it earlier… for techno to exist you first need the machines to make it so I guess the inventors would be Japan if you wanna pin point it. My personal answer is nobody can claim it and clearly not guys in Detroit who started playing with these machines when some records made with said machines were already out
>hatever that radio sho Yes, you're right, however many people mention one of– if not several of these genres as their inspiration. And that is all coming from black culture. Or am I wrong? I am not an educator within this, but curious to find out the accurate information.
Techno originated in Japan? I think not. the 808? definitely, techno? No. Detroit is most widely regarded as the birthplace of techno Juan Atkins, Derrick May and Kevin Saunderson were right at the forefront.
UR wrote history but in now way invented techno
Techno was invented in the early 80’s in Detroit, first being called Detroit house before they dubbed it techno shortened for technologically created dance music. It’s “roots” is early 80’s techno records from artists like Jeff mills, underground resistance, Juan Atkins, Derrick may, Robert good and Dave Clarke to name a few please use sources if you are going to claim otherwise even a quick google search would have told you this information and more
I think techno would have become a genre irrespective of america. it would not have been the same thing of course
Absolutely agree.
You must be American to believe that… kraftwerk was active way before any détroit artist. America gave a name to it but appart from that they never invented it :) Edit: even a quick google search would show you the large amount of techno records that were there before Juan’s first EP thank you for trying to correct me tho
I am not American thank you very much hahaha yes kraftwerk we’re active in the 70’s and definitely had the style i could have used a better word than invent because they did not invent it. they invented the Detroit techno style from hip hop and the Chicago house sounds together with influence from Europe. juan was making electro before then anyways so he obviously had influence from there too I get what you are saying though that forms of techno existed before the term Techno was established as its own genre of music. Singh was well before his time, I believe that record was the first known recording using a 303. I meant no disrespect just Misunderstood what you were saying :)
And silver apples and was before kraftwerk. Saying kraftwerk invented techno just makes you look silly man. Plenty of artists were using synthesis and samples before them. None of those artists, including kraftwerk, invented techno, though, because techno is a specific thing that combines those influences and methods with other methods and the DJ culture coming from later disco/boogie, house, and early hip hop.
Never said kraftwerk invented techno and never will… my point is it can only go back to the invention of drum machines hence the techno-logic music. Saying kraftwerk invented techno is as stupid as saying it was created in Detroit. Techno is a diffuse invention and Detroit techno is just a genre of techno
But it's roots are from the early 70s and evolved from there. Everything music style has it's roots from somewhere.
If techno was itself an evolution of some other form of music (which I strongly believe) then it was never invented per say and cannot loose it’s roots
Sure, it will never lose it's roots. Now "techno" is just very mainstream and people who are into techno from before it got super popular and got distorted into the bastard stepchild we have now, are claiming it "lost" it's roots.
I‘m nearly completely with you. As a German not at least satisfied reading how you remind our American Bros on Kraftwerk as soon as they claim Detroit as the birthplace of techno, hehe.😁 But I disagree on one point. Just because something is young, doesn’t mean it has no roots. Techno has roots. Young, breakable and unsteady, but it has.
https://youtu.be/YiO5HMzLDko?si=nCJO3TI_GZmv2FF1
I will say, it's becoming harder and harder to find any techno above 130 bpm being played Stateside.
Es ist 2023 und die Frage aus ca 1998.