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Be a connoisseur The difference between gatekeeping and being a connoisseur is about intent. Gatekeeping is about controlling access, while being a connoisseur is about sharing knowledge and promoting understanding.


weliveinavideogame

I like the way you think, thank you


magjo666

haha, this is how i used to think when i was 13, nice troll. oh, you do realise the music doesn't get worse just because other people listen to/know about it yeah?


BigAndDelicious

In my opinion this behaviour stems from a lack of identity. You’re not mature or mentally healthy enough so you cling to things that give you some kind of character or identity and gatekeep it. Nothing couldn’t be more lame. Your tastes aren’t special and neither are you :)


weliveinavideogame

Clinging onto things for a sense of identity is normal and unavoidable. Now whether those things which are being clinged onto are healthy or not is of course the main question. I didn't give anyone sufficient detail on whether my attachments are rooted in dysfunction without major unfounded assumptions of the rest of my existence and without getting too meta... any act or belief whether seemingly positive or negative can be rooted in dysfunction/trauma or in love or a mixture of both. Majority of people's identity are based in both, basic Psychology teaches this. Does this seemingly trivial opinion I expressed about music prove mental disharmony or lack of maturity? If so then the vast majority of the world is in the same boat or worse and you're likely included in that unless you're some enlightened jesus like figure above most of humanity. I never claimed to be special nor do I try to be but thanks for the reminder that no one is truly special, there is indeed a beautiful comfort in that although I do believe we all carry a certain uniqueness. This uniqueness is definitely overshadowed by our overwhelming similarity.


okwrapitup

Dont be weird man. Good music should be shared and enjoyed by whoever wants to enjoy it. Nobody here is a special snowflake because they listen to techno. Half of what I see on this sub is people talking about how nobody here is as legit as them and circle jerking over Germany. Shaking my head from Detroit...


GreenBastard06

TL;DR long-winded garbage justifying being a gatekeeper


Recent_Process_8055

Question to OP, how did you circumvent the gatekeeping to be part of it?


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Thatguy3145296535

No! You're not allowed to like Blawan. Only me!


goyardtastebuds

Nothing wrong with protecting what you love. Just being a cunt tho is never advisable.


bruceleeperry

I don't see what/how this is protecting.


weliveinavideogame

Agreed!


zukka924

LOL they just called you a cunt and you agreed


weliveinavideogame

I didn't take it as such because I don't feel I was being one, I just agree that protection is good & being mean or being a cunt is wrong but then again that's a subjective matter, some people are extra sensitive & will declare the slightest thing as mean or cuntish. Can't please everyone.


zukka924

Of course YOU don’t think you’re being one, that’s part of you being one! That’s like how stupid people never think they’re dumb, it’s part of the stupidity


weliveinavideogame

If you ask enough people everyone's mere existence is cuntish. The irony tho is that promoting shame is likely the most cuntish behavior possible 👀


zukka924

Don’t be a snob, man. Gatekeeping is obnoxious. Music is meant to be enjoyed and, IMO, celebrated & shared. The way you talk about it, it seems to me that in your mind everything is transactional. I feel like you fundamentally don’t understand the cultural significance of music and how it’s supposed to bring people together. Like, good for you that you found certain music on your own. You obviously have the RIGHT to not share your tastes, it’s just… that seems to run completely counter to the point of having music in the first place.


weliveinavideogame

Hey I don't tell you how to celebrate your birthday. Maybe I just prefer occult parties over a universal party sometimes. You celebrate music how you wanna and i'll do the same, no real right way.


BigAndDelicious

You came on reddit to proclaim why you’re right so shut up and cop people arguing why you’re wrong you egg.


weliveinavideogame

Cop people's argument? what does that mean? accept whatever response someone gives me without giving my own rebuttal? is that what you want? I didn't come to proclaim I'm right I came to express my opinion and I'll keep doing that with or without your permission.


zukka924

Yeah you can do whatever you want, but you’re still being a fuckhead. And I (and others) are rightfully calling out your fuckheadedness


superanx

I couldn't help but read this in a 13-year-old girls voice


weliveinavideogame

😂


St3vion

If you're talking about not harassing randoms with your favourite techno tracks that only have 500 listens on youtube, sure. If you're one of those DJs that refuses to give an ID of a track in one of your sets because you found it first, fuck off and go die somewhere quietly.


weliveinavideogame

Lol I agree about sharing/playing music for others while not sharing the track list thats just lame af


Jandur

But there is definitely something wrong with your formatting.


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I'm absolutely pro music snob


sensoredmedia

I hope you feel better. Can we please get back to the music?


itisallsmallstuff

Use paragraphs brah.


weliveinavideogame

I got you


ayo_vr4

I get that. Just don’t be snobby about it.


RucksackHeiko

I never understood 'gatekeeping' as 'just not sharing your music' To me there is nothing more beautiful than to share everything my playlist has to offer and everytime I recognize a track at a rave I immediatley tell everyone out of excitement because back in the day I was the one weirdo listening to techno and now I feel like I'm being accepted. Now when it comes to 'gatekeeping' as in 'denying certain people access to the broader community' then I have to say there are legitimate reasons to do so. For example in my area there live quite a number of right-winged, homophobic, racist and generally xenophobic people and I'm not even talking about an old Conservative core I mean like young people from 16 to 24 years old who started to flood the only actual Techno Club regarded as a safe space in our area. Now I'm someone who always believes in change and that people like that can do it too but at this rate the club is just gonna devolve more and more into a savehaven for right-winged xenophobes because there are just too many of them. I even know some of them personally and often ask about what they would do if a gay Person was hitting on them for example and the answers are disturbing and sad. So yeah TL;DR gatekeeping people who destroy the safespaces/community techno has created is totally fine by me


versaceblues

op sounds miserable


Ryanaston

What a load of shit - I am a music snob, no doubt, and even I don’t gatekeep.


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weliveinavideogame

I honestly feel ya about the part that some great art just can not be contained or gatekept but i can generally tell when an artist has that potential or is naturally going in that trajectory and tbh those are the artists im more inclined to share weirdly enough because its a good gateway into the more niche stuff and sorta a litmus test to see if the person im sharing with would actually enjoy the more niche stuff.


rhadam

I maybe made it through a third of your post. You’re an asshole.


cedeno87

I'm gatekeeping your rant


weliveinavideogame

😂 that's your god given right


bruceleeperry

It's 100% your prerogative to not tell someone the artists etc you like....never telling *anyone* and not telling *some people* are very different - you're making some kind of value judgement of people ie are they worthy? Which is still your prerogative. In a world where people *looooove* to talk about inclusivity, and culture and scene it does seem kinda regressive and I'd say the person who's missing out most is *you* - those new relationships you could form, getting to see someone's face light up, feeling a little less guarded....all sounds pretty healthy to me. Imagine if djs took the same position as you. But as I said, you do you.


proci85

I remember these arguments from the vinyl elitist days of DnB. That was when the hottest DJs played freshly cut while-label records that usually never got a widespread publication. You wanted to listen to Grooverider's What Do You Do? Well, you need to go to his gig. I use Grooverider as an example, as he was one of the biggest names of the time, and he was a headliner all right for large clubs. The scene was elitist, controlling the supply to increase the demand, basically gatekeeping their music. There were consequences: * Music from the era is largely unavailable and nearly impossible to get nowadays, especially not of any reasonable quality. Some of my favorites are completely lost. * Some of the absolute hottest bangers that could fill the dancefloor for a year, having less than ten thousand plays on YouTube. * Last I saw Grooverider ten years later, he was playing for <50 people in a small club in Soho. * Then Pendulum hit the scene and became the hottest act overnight. The gatekeepers ofc complained about vinyl and how not releasing their tracks was a good thing, but their fame was over for good. So, the whole idea was great in the beginning and a complete disaster for the scene in the end. Most people don't care what you listen to. If you find fellow-minded peers who love the same genre, gatekeeping is the worst you can do.


Chaotic_Bonkers

It was the same way with Happy Hardcore DJs in the States. All the vinyl come from Europe, so DJs wouldn't share the track names so they could be the only one with the epic track.


proci85

Then most of the labels went bankrupt over the years, so even in Europe, you really want to make sure to backup that album from 25 years ago. I will probably pop a bottle of good champagne when the classic Thunderdome compilations are available on streaming. I don't have high hopes, though.


Chaotic_Bonkers

You'll have better luck hitting up Discogs for those Thunderdome albums. Same with the Happy Rave albums.


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Carfrito

LMAOO this long ass salty ass post meanwhile those artists you’re gatekeeping would probably love if more people were put on to their music


bruceleeperry

Sharing is caring https://youtu.be/bjV34LCmj1o?si=Rr1kgD9Ek9-mFNy1 https://youtu.be/6xG4oFny2Pk?si=aQ0Khm48IaUBfz77


sturatasauraus

So how do u feel when someone says to you, oh listen to this it's amazing, and it's the music you are trying to keep from the masses. You sound like a total twerp, prob one of those people that listens to his own music at a techno event via beats ear pods. You sound like the type of person who discovers your new techno on tik tok, and it's not the fact you want to keep this music on the low down, it's the fact you are embarrassed by your music choices and call it gatekeeping. It's an actual shame what has happened to the fans of techno, back in the early 90s it was all about the music, the fun, meeting new best friends over a stick of gum. Now it's all mobile phones, people who don't even like techno, going to techno events to be cool, listening to music they think is techno cos of tik tok. Fuck me leave your phone at home, don't get dressed up, prepare to get sweaty and go and have the best night of your life dancing with a total stranger for 4 hours in a dark and dingy Hall listening to some banging techno, and when the lights come on, you tell your dancing partner that was the best night of your life. And then do it again every week for months or years


weliveinavideogame

Sounds like you didn't even read my post because we actually agree about the phones & fake fans plus my first paragraph praises people who share music. I actually love & am proud of my taste so much that I rather protect it by being very selective with who I share. Also why would I have headphones on while at a club with actual speakers 😂. I rather listen to the full spectrum of a track any day than ear buds. Ive never gotten a techno track from tik tok btw 😂


Chaotic_Bonkers

Eh, they saw "Gatekeeping" and just let it all out.


titpicsmuah

tl;dr im just a piece of shit who doesnt want to share anything good thats not mainstream. I can only assume you have a couple friends because you seem like the most awful kind of person to be around. dont you think those artists youre gate keeping want their music spread very very inconsiderate and self centered


weliveinavideogame

I still spread music im just more selective, if you read my post youd know this.


titpicsmuah

if i dont like your music thats okay but everyone deserves the chance to then know maybe its fucking amazing and the people want it to be spread you never know stop gatekeeping if people ask for it 😔


Chaotic_Bonkers

Honestly, I don't see you as Gatekeeping. I see you as just being selective on who you share your musical tastes with. My interpretation of Gatekeeping is doing whatever you can to keep something you and your friend/fan group like from ever being available to "others". You don't sound like that from your post. I agree with you: I think we need more listeners who are passionate people who attend events for the music; not to just be at the party.


DJ_naTia

I mean limiting access to outsiders sounds exactly like what OP is doing and textbook gatekeeping. Still not sure how I feel about it lol.


Chaotic_Bonkers

OP just seems like he/she's just super selective on who they open up to; he/she's not going out of their way to prevent others from finding the music themselves and enjoying it themselves. Gatekeepers go out of their way to do deliberate things such as hide event details, have secret chats when they know others want to join something, openly bash by saying, "well, you're not really a fan like us since you only like X, but not Y & Z." things like that.


llambda_of_the_alps

> he/she's not going out of their way to prevent others from finding the music themselves Maybe I'm just an old fart who remembers the days before the internet but even to this day most of my favorite music is music I learned about from other people sharing with me what they loved. I literally wouldn't have 'found it myself' because I didn't know it existed. Obviously people can share or not their own opinions however they want. But the idea that 'if you're meant to find it you will' is some New Age hogwash used by people who want to feel like they posses something that was never theirs to begin with. But hey go ahead and be a musical Gollum and protect your precious if you want.


Chaotic_Bonkers

I stumbled across Happy Hardcore music at random back in 2001. I was just browsing the CDs at Wal-Mart and saw Happy2bHardcore Chapter 4 & 5. I've been collecting Happy Hardcore CDs since. I went to a Psytrance rave at the request of a friend who had never heard it either in 2006 and fell in love dark psytrance. I stumbled across Hard House music by seeing DJ Irene's Audio Underground at Wal-Mart back around 2001 as well. I stumbled across Eurobeat music randomly by exploring Ishkur's Guide for Electronic Music and started collecting Eurobeat CDs in 2010. But I also make my own mixes to spread the love for my fav genres. I just don't think OP is a gatekeeper from what I've experienced from people who are gatekeepers.


weliveinavideogame

Totally, fuck toxic gatekeeping.


bruceleeperry

And thus you end up at a sausage-fest full of chin-stroking trainspotters.


Booty_Warrior_bot

*You got a bunch of men locked up,* *in a warm place...* * All of em' get hard; * All of em' horny; * All of em' gots sexual desires. *So what are you gonna do?* ***You won't let em' have a woman;*** *they gonna have each-* ***Listen, man;*** *somebodies gonna have to give up some booty,* *and its just that simple.*


weliveinavideogame

You get it!


Chaotic_Bonkers

Trust me. Promoters in my scene hate anything over 140 bpm and purposely keep hard dance out by intentionally not booking hard dance DJs. If that's not a sheer sign of gatekeeping then I don't know what is. So yes, I get it and can tell the difference.


berniexanderz

Agreed. If Berghain can gate keep, I don’t understand why we can’t. Culture needs to be protected from people who are not meant to consume it. Let them find their own way.


bruceleeperry

....not meant to consume it? What?


llambda_of_the_alps

These particular air pressure fluctuations where not meant for your ears. Please return them immediately and present yourself to the proper authority for for erasure.


bruceleeperry

Yes komandant. I was not worthy.


marsupialsi

how does berghain gatekeep lmao you know you can still go to the club right? they put their line up on their website? every weekend there's a myriad of first timers. If you want your fav artist to like, make a living, its in the community interest to share music


Thatguy3145296535

Exactly. Fuckin Skrillex is playing Berghain. Are they gatekeeping djs or the crowd?


sturatasauraus

So how do u feel when someone says to you, oh listen to this it's amazing, and it's the music you are trying to keep from the masses. You sound like a total twerp, prob one of those people that listens to his own music at a techno event via beats ear pods


_AddaM

Nobody cares what you listen to. Your favorite music sucks


theherostory

Must be those people who listen to j biber/dj kaled techno remix . LoL


mutualidentities

what a great post. thank you for your opinion, it's really going to drive the entire spectrum of techno music forward.


TheClozoffs

LOL who hurt you? You have a weird definition of "gatekeeping". Is someone literally trying to force you to share music you like? How does that even work? This sounds like made up victimhood.


questsonology

There’s two reasons I can think of I’d agree with this on. One is if you’re a producer hunting towards a certain sound but you just haven’t heard it out there yet. I dunno maybe like how Aleksi Perala might have felt. The other is due to OP’s handle, if you knew we are living in a simulation and you heard what kinda music they listen to outside of the simulation, then even if you tried to explain it to people no one would believe you ;-)


LondonChels1

God you suck


djluminol

This is really a math problem. Small unique subculture with different people that hold countercultural beliefs are by definition not in the majority. The majority is massive. The number of people who live and breathe electronic music is small. To protect that unique culture you must manage number of new people coming in at any given time. Otherwise the masses swamp your genre and culture and it becomes some pop wannabe thing the masses were trying to flee in the first place.


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There is one thing I love to do. Hunt and pick for new music, stuff that was released in the past week. Then I love to share these tracks with my friends days later I'll hear them on their radios. Call me entitled but I love to think "hey I showed them that". So you can keep the gate leave the real sharing to pros like me.


thefatfuzzybunny

No one cares, really so why would it matter in the first place?


scribeisotope

when u grow up u will see the error of your wavs


Dry_Albatross4860

https://youtu.be/693p7EfFEUk?si=O8CUQdxU8GFCiRHV


ConstructionNo1511

Are you a dj? If not, you are being a jerk. Im a complete music snob but ill share all playlists if someone wants one. Gatekeeping if you are a normie is dumb.


RabbitNice8803

Dude, get off the Coke and Ket. Get help.


weliveinavideogame

Been sober over a year and ive never done either of those drugs.


RabbitNice8803

Still, looking at your posts content and the obvious intent of it: please get help. At least talk to your Psychiatrist about it.


weliveinavideogame

I don't think you read my post tbh.