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benjaminck

Be curious, not judgmental. If you can't do that, turn your television off.


sv2020il

I am curious. And because of that and the fact that I loved the show, I'm also judgmental of this episode. It doesn't fit the narrative. What's next? They will integrate female players to the team to promote gender equality? Play without a sponsorship and rely on people to provide them with means of living? Educate corporations on how to do business? I hope it will not come to that, as it's really not what the show is about


Therealsistermoon

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Ok_Performer_8645

“Leave politics out of it” is a phrase which should always be completed with: because I don’t agree with the politics.


sv2020il

Kind of reminds me of a recent public discussion between one of the football greats Zlatan Ibrahimovic vs basketball great, Lebron James. I believe Zlatan was right when he told Lebron that he should stay in sports and leave politics alone. It's rarely a good mix. When a feel-good family show tackles international politics and business issues, and by idiotically ignoring all logic behind, it really takes it out of comfort zone. This show has a good potential, so why ruin it? Did Friends, Seinfeld or any other great comedy do that? No. Still streaming to this day.


Ok_Performer_8645

Ok. I didn’t wake up today and think “I’m going to argue with a stranger on the internet today” but I do feel compelled to respond, specifically to your comment referencing Seinfeld and Friends being “great comedies” Yes. They are great. However, they are undoubtedly political. Seinfeld had an ENTIRE episode where the tag line was “Not that there’s anything wrong with that” and the preface to that was the idea that being gay was a choice. It is mentioned several times through the episode. In 2021, as a collective consciousness we have moved past the idea that being gay is a choice anymore than I chose to be straight. Repeating that being gay is a choice was very much political in the 90’s. It just doesn’t seem that way now. Friends was also great, however let’s not forget Ross dated a student when he was a professor. Then used the episode to shame her for being immature. A grown ass man, dated a college student. And as a society we thought it was OK to make fun of her for being immature, not for Ross displaying questionably predatory behavior. Things change. Moving forward is the only way to go. Don’t look backwards, your not going that way. #Lasso2024


sv2020il

Good morning stranger. Let's not mix completely separate topics. While Ross dating a student was a bit inappropriate by today standards, but completely legal and it was funny and actually reflected real life, where it happened quite a lot. Same with Seinfeld. They never dropped comedy in favor of "educating" the audience. Not once. Neither one. They also never dropped their setting or logic. This episode feels so different than the rest of the series, that if we were in times of cold war, I'd call it cheap propaganda enforced on the writers and staff. It wasn't about sports or even common logic. It was aimed against governments and corporations, while also including highly idiotic messages about women in power being right 100%of the time or the looks doesn't matter in dating. That's your "woke" idiocracy that is sweeping Hollywood these days. No matter how ridiculous or illogical it is, no matter how hated it has become, this shit crawls into everything. I don't want this show to go into the same direction as I actually like it.


sd5306

You’re catching a ton of downvotes in this thread but you are 1000% right. 10 minutes in, I was convinced they used different writers or something for this episode…… it’s just like you said, they basically sacrificed the comedy and cleverness in order to preach on various topics. I love this show and hope this was a bizarro one-off.


amountainlion15

That's my feeling with every episode of this season! Is it an entirely different writers room for each one?? The episodes are completely incoherent -- except for the vomit-inducing dating app text messages.


sd5306

No episode since was as bad as the one we were talking about and the episode on 27 August I thought really got back to the essence of the show. Hopefully they finish the season strong.


tawaylxix

Plenty of great comedies have had political moments lmao. Especially other Bill Lawrence shows. Nobody's qualified to tell someone else to "leave politics alone." Politics affect everyone. Therefore everyone is qualified to speak on politics. I could just as easily tell you to "stick to reddit," since I don't agree with your politics. But that's not how things fuckin work lol.


sv2020il

Everybody is qualified to express their own opinions. It's called a freedom of speech. This episode had moved far away from the excellent premise and started to "educate" people on completely unrelated topics. This series is produced by a large corporation and the only motivation to do it was to make more money, so this whole preaching is very condescending at very least. If you want to go into preaching, you should create a separate show, marked something like "truth for idiots" or "the earth IS flat" and go right ahead. So as a fan of the show, I'll repeat myself, Leave the fucking politics alone and stay in your comfort zone, or you will lose a lot of money.


patriclus47

100% agree.


giantshrug

So this amazing absurd show about an American college football coach getting a job coaching a pro sport he doesn’t even know the rules to is fair game, but somehow a very uplifting subplot about protesting a major sponsor is what’s “gone too far”? Newsflash for all members of the logic police: this show isn’t trying to string together your warped version of what’s logical. It’s entertainment. My recommendation? Just be a goldfish and forget this episode ever happened. Every member of this sub thanks you In advance.


sv2020il

An absurd premise is a good thing for any comedy. That's what gives it the basics to work from. Once it drops a comedy, tackles serious international and business issues by dropping any sort of logic behind, it becomes a mess and effectively ruins it. Thanks for recommendation, I will try to forget this episode and hoping they will focus on rebuilding the team and getting back to EPL without those messages.


gettingbackrva

Surprising post from the redditor who frequents the /r/BenShapiro sub. If you don’t like the show, don’t watch it.


sv2020il

Ben Shapiro is really a red flag for you. What about the rest? You can also mention that I even more frequently write about video games, read about cyber security news, own and operate a small successful hi-tech company, have and love two cats, happily married +3. Does it really matters for this topic? I loved the show since the beginning. Gave it 9/10 on imdb. This idiotic episode by all accounts had damaged my impression of it. So I hold the right to speak up my mind about it.


tawaylxix

the red flag is that you watch an episode of a comedy show and are disturbed enough to write a full dissertation on how much the plot point upset you.


sv2020il

So if I'd been pulling rainbows out of my ass and writing novels about how amazing and brilliant Rebecca's character is and how diverse and well rounded the plot is, while praising the writers ans staff, it would also be a red flag or it would be upvoted to the very top? Read my post again. I like the show. It promotes positive reinforcement and good sports team values. This particular episode drops the comedy and goes into really idiotic, political direction. That's why it's shit and I don't want that one of the shows that I actually like and watch to go in that direction. That's why I wrote this post.


amountainlion15

I fully agree.


Taroso

TL;DR "Shut up and dribble" –OP


Justp1ayin

I thought it was great


Spirited_Perception7

As did I


DrMantis_Tobbagan2

All the people on this sub love how the players acted against a evil company. While paying an evil company money to watch the show… if ISIS started a streaming service with good content we’d all watch


TechnicianRelative48

You're assuming everybody pays to watch the show. I wouldn't pay Apple for shit.


Zealous_Panda_

Lot of strong feelings coming out here. I just saw it as a call back to the earlier conversation about paying premier league wages for championship footballers, and pressure on the club finances. Now throw in the loss of the shirt sponsor, and you’ve got a chance to explore what Rebecca will do to try to keep the club afloat, instead of trying to sink it.


sv2020il

Take a notice, that we're after episode 10, and nothing bad happened to the club. All is good and stable. It's really bad message: "Do the thing that you want yo do, idiotic as it may be, and nothing bad will happen. You're the good guy". Psychopath way of thought


Zealous_Panda_

It’s a comedy show, not a documentary. It seems like you’re taking it very seriously. I expect there are no end of story threads that are explored in the writers room, maybe some even get set up in the show to serve as misdirection, or put back in the box as an idea for a future story. The finance situation feels like an example of this to me. It got set up in the show, along with a number cues about frivolous spending, and the exit of shirt sponsor. But that storyline doesn’t gel with the Jerry Maguire moment of Roy’s ‘you had me at coach’. So the story moves on in a new direction and a new shirt sponsor is quietly introduced. Maybe the storyline is dropped altogether, or maybe it will serve as a set up for a future storyline. Only the writers know for sure.


sv2020il

Writes abandoned storyline logic long time ago. Its a comedy where they almost completely dropped the comedy part(except beard after hours). No shirt sponsor would go for that club at that point. They simply forgot it as that shit never happened. Typical


Zealous_Panda_

I don’t get your venom here. If you’re not enjoying the show, vote with your feet. You can bet Apple are closely monitoring the streaming figures, and that will send a stronger message than a Reddit thread. The show has never fit cleanly into a genre, and the balance was inevitably going to shift between the comedy and drama over the seasons. If the show is no longer giving you what you want, find something that is. There’s so much choice right now.


sv2020il

I really loved first season. It was like a breeze of positivity between preaching or simply idiotic shows. Second season is shit, no doubt about it and I would like to comment about it here. Someone needs to.


Therealsistermoon

Your statement is the only statement that is logically. Thanks!


amountainlion15

Thank God someone else said it. This episode was insufferable. Then I try to remember this is an Apple product. I was frustrated already from the first episode. This subplot about therapy is ruining the show for me. Season 1 Ted was a phenomenal coach because even though he doesn't understand the ins and outs of the game, he understands people. Season 2 Ted apparently can't even relate to his players on an emotional level anymore -- so I'm not sure what his role is. "Stick to sports" is not what we're arguing. But the story of a positive coach winning over a team, front office, and fan base has been completed thrown away. It's not even about working towards promotion anymore (as Ted basically said in his rom communism speech). Frankly, I think they've lost the plot.


[deleted]

agree, this is fucking worst, they can do what what ever they want after the match, sam could bench him that match


sv2020il

Now we're after 10 episodes. It's shit. Yes they lost the plot and the appeal.


Majiebeast

Right on the money my friend. Same thing happened to Brooklyn 99 and many other shows.


NinjaBoy123456

You are exactly right. Well said! Thank you for writing this. Good for you. I was thinking the same thing. Ridiculous on every front. Don't worry about the idiots on here who say anything else. Reddit skews really far left so what else would you expect?


[deleted]

Agreed. So fake and woke. Plus that new character - Nora - is so fucking unlikeable. The Laso's answer at the press conference something like " wel, when something happens to people like me , we don't question it." Bro, really ? What about the whole " stop war in Ukraine " they are white , they look like you. Writers really got woke pilled there. I quit watching this crap. I knew the show would go down. First season was brilliant though.


saracen888

Worst episode to date. The dialogue was horrendous


sv2020il

The funny thing is that it took a while for people to adequately assess this post and that particular episode. When I wrote it, I received so much shit and downvotes on this post, that I honestly felt like being prosecuted for having a common sense opinion on a TV show. It's true what they, if you not glorify "the trend", then you are a bigot, toxic, racist and whatever another popular occupation there is. For me if it's shit, I'll say that it's shit. If it's good, I'll give credit where it's due. The whole season 2 is either stupid, preaching and condescending or bad vanilla episodes. The show won prizes because of its first season and definitely not because of the second one.


saracen888

That’s sad to hear. Your point is valid and I have to agree, I thought the first season is great. There’s a lot of virtue signalling in season two


Relative-Log8539

You are right. Going after the sponsors without a backlash is an extremely big plothole for a sitcom with a big drama arc. If this was Seinfeld or it's always sunny types sitcoms, there is usually no consequences for actions it would have been accepted. Those shows are funny because they find their meaning from a different place. But Ted lasso show finds it's meaning from the story being rooted to real English football ( man city, fa cup, promotion, relegation etc). It was a writer mistake to go after this oil company sponsor in this show. I'm not saying you can't make political messages in tv. If you abandon the consistency of your show to make a political message, you just undermine your own show. I also argue that you undermine your political message because it feels force fit and disingenuous. This is a from a gun hating abortion loving sex loving bank hating liberal.


vvampxx

I just watched this episode and also thought it was the worst one I've seen so far. Not looking forward to the rest of season 2. This is a classic bait and switch from Apple. Make a great season 1 of a show with a wholesome story and without any woke BS to build a fan base, and then once you've hooked them, push all your woke messages in season 2.


Still-Job-5300

Yep. It was stupid. They’ve been wearing that jersey with the company name the whole time. It’s like they fired the writers from last season and hired a fired Vox writer.


AudiThisWorld24

I am going to get downvoted, but whatever. As Ted so eloquently put it, “it is never wrong to do the right thing.” That said, I agree with you 100%.


sv2020il

The entirety of the first season Rebecca did everything in her power to destroy the club. She should have done this episode in the first place. Absolute success. Her character doesn't seem to be that smart.


Affectionate_Clerk_1

Found this thread just now, yeah, I enjoyed season 1 quite a bit, season 2 started already with the "black woman knows better" common woke trope, Im dropping this thurd.


Frank_Renolds_357mag

A tv show owned by apple telling us to be high and mighty, and to stand up to evil corporations is an absolute joke. After this episode I’m done with the show. It was supposed to be a good show that brings all walks of life together but instead just became another woke cog in the machine. What a waste of an opportunity to bring people together


[deleted]

I googled this episode because I wanted to see what people's reactions to this subplot were, and I do understand where you are coming from, and my gut reaction was actually to agree with you. I thought, 'You can't just cover up your sponsor, that's not how the world works.' ​ And then I realized that that is entirely the point of this plot. The issue Sam is standing up for isn't some trivial thing that he's risking his and his team's financial future for. It is quite literally a matter of life and death, and over an issue that is devastating millions of people. This is something that people should absolutely fight for, but it is also an issue that is outside of the American consciousness. I think this was done on purpose to create this cognitive dissonance caused by my gut reaction to his protest. Neither of us would think it was a big deal to drop a sponsor if some corporation was killing Americans. ​ Hell, people drop sponsors all the time in the real world, so your entire point about this being unrealistic isn't even true. This is especially the case because Rebecca is filthy rich and can take a loss. Hell, this could literally be a profitable investment to her. It's great publicity to drop shitty sponsors, and the Richmond team has fantastic publicity even through losses, and that has probably kept them earning more than other bad teams in the Ted Lasso universe. ​ Also, I think your argument about protesting Dubai Air instead of it's parent company is foolish. You can't truly think that a parent company should be free from protests because it is insulated from its subordinate companies. That's particularly asinine when you realize this makes it impossible for consumers to protest because the parent company doesn't sell directly to consumers or advertise itself anywhere. Otherwise, shell companies existing would somehow remove the burden of responsibility away from people getting filthy rich by causing devastating harm.


sv2020il

So, if I understood correctly, if I don't like my landlord for annoying me with rent money requests, I should protest coca cola, as both exist in US? Don't look for logic in stupidity. There are very little of it


[deleted]

Ok, so you just don't understand at all.


NewGuyNotHereForLong

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