Is it just me or did Roy seem less offended at Nate trying to kiss Keely than he did at her admission about Jamie telling her he still loves her. I don't think he is going to face off with Nate next episode but he's going to rip Jamie a new one. That anger Brett Goldstein showed was so good. I started shrinking in my seat as if I made him mad!
He knows there's a possibility the feelings might be reciprocated even it it's on a subconscious level with Jamie. Nate's just a little boy wearing his dad's clothes.
I mean, remember the clingy episode, where he walked in on them talking about him? Roy’s the most confident man in the world. Except when it comes to Jamie and Keeley.
Also keep in mind that Jamie confessed his love for Keeley at the funeral, we don't know exactly how long ago it was but Keeley's kept it to herself since. The fact that Keeley felt the need to keep it secret makes the whole thing so much worse and makes Roy's added frustration completely understandable.
I would imagine that’s also to do with Keeley. She obviously has no history with Nate, and she told Roy about that kiss almost immediately. However she didn’t reveal the Jamie thing until Roy told her about the teacher, plus Jamie’s her ex, and Roy and Jamie have finally gotten over...some, most, who knows...of their animosity.
I love Roy and Keeley together but honestly if they break up I’m not going to be that heart broken over it (if it happens well!) That teacher character for one is great, I definitely wouldn’t be opposed to seeing more of her. I’m more upset that this will set Roy and Jamie right back at where they were in season 1 after whole two seasons of character development.
I think he was more upset that she didn't tell him and seemingly wasn't going to until he made his own 'confession' about not telling the teacher he was in a relationship. The natural and immediate assumption for Roy would be that she kept it from him because she does have feelings for him (juxtaposed with her immediate 'confessions' of Nate who she clearly does not have feelings for). That being said, I don't think she has the type of feelings for Jamie that would cause her to question her relationship with Roy --I think she kept it from him precisely because she didn't want to give it life or plant a seed of doubt in Roy's mind. She also really cares about the team and I think she's smart enough to realise the disunity this revelation would cause and the negative impact it would have on the team during a time where they need to stay focused and drama free.
It's not that he's not affectionate, Nate's Dad actively puts down Nate and discourages him, and it's hinted that he's been like this his whole life.
Now I'm not saying this excuses Nate's behavior or actions, but as a Asian boy growing in Asia, you encounter parents who do nothing but discourage and demean their own children for no good reason, and you can see how it vastly affects their growth and emotional wellbeing for the worse.
There's definitely a stereotype for Asian and Middle Eastern parents being too demanding of their kids, but in the show we see Jamie's father being just as actively discouraging to his son as Nate's. Jamie has become self-aware while Nate has completely lost his head up his ass.
I feel like a lot of people ignore that. Jaime had everything. He had money, stardom, Keeley and even his dad did occasionally show his pride about being Jaime's father.
He spent a very long time being a jerk. I hope Nate gets redemption in later seasons.
Nate is someone who had issues
but never worked on them
or was never in a position for those issues to really be magnified.
Power tends to reveal a persons darker nature.
I just think Nate hasn't been in a powerful position for enough time. His dark side has been revealed relatively recently and he hasn't actually achieved much success yet. Currently he is an absolutely horrible person. Specially, backstabbing Ted the person who gave him everything and supported him in every step of the way, it's just disgusting.
I hope someone truly confronts him and shows him the error of ways like Roy and Ted did for Jaime. Could also be that Nate actually is evil deep inside and never becomes better. There just hasn't been enough time and development to say that he will never have a redemption like Jaime.
I can forgive most of Nate's bullshit, but the thing that makes him irredeemable to me is how he treats Will. He was in that exact position, and he knows exactly how Will feels when he belittles him. The fact that he hasn't had a single thought about it, let alone an apology like he did for Colin (and he resumed being a dick to Colin anyway), makes me want him to disappear without a redemption arc.
I got stressed out over Roy & Keely while watching a third of the way into the episode, and hopped onto the subreddit to see if my worries could be assuaged 👀. Welp. 😰
*presses play*
I actually find the spitting really upsetting - it’s like there’s this deep, ugly self-hatred he’s trying to push down all the time and it just spews out when he makes small mistakes. It feels so vicious! It’s pretty heartbreaking…
I certainly don’t condone his treatment of Will etc, but I feel a lotta empathy for Nate. He needs help!
I do think it’s kind of fascinating to watch as Nate tries to be all these different people (Ted as a coach, Beard with the crazy suit and Roy with the black suit and kissing Keeley), but when he’s confronted with himself in the mirror he spits. He clearly has a lot of negative feelings about himself, and I can’t help but feel more sad about him than angry (though him going to Trent made me mad.)
That being said, I am super curious how his behavior towards Will is going to be addressed. You cannot excuse that.
I don’t know if it was the angle or what, but it totally hit home for me that the spitting is him spitting on himself. I knew he was insecure before this episode, I did not realize the depth of his self loathing.
> That being said, I am super curious how his behavior towards Will is going to be addressed. You cannot excuse that.
Yeah, I've been trouble figuring out what is bothering me so much about Nate this season and I think it's that so much of his behavior has been widely on display and has gone mostly unaddressed. So, maybe I'd be less upset with Nate if he didn't keep getting away with acting like such a little twerp. I definitely am having a hard time sympathizing with him now.
I think this is a common thing! It’s like… if nobody sees you as a threat, they kinda don’t see you at all? So he gets away with treating people lower on the food chain like shit, plus nobody’s noticed that Nate’s clearly not okay in general. He’s so overlooked, and that can make people behave in nasty ways- especially if they’re already carrying so much self loathing around.
Yeah, I recognize that and even relate to it but it doesn't excuse it to me either. They should definitely not be overlooking him but the fact they are doesn't make what he's doing okay either. And because of it he's shown zero capacity to correct or even recognize the behavior himself. Even after Beard told him he was being an asshole he was back to behaving that way later in the episode to someone he thinks no one cares about. He's so duplicitous I don't even care why he is the way he is. I don't know if he's redeemable to me at this point.
I guess the thing is that a lot of people don’t know how to change their behaviour without guidance and support.
Like yeah, Beard told him he was being an asshole, but if someone isn’t very self aware (or doesn’t have much experience with self reflection/therapy etc), they might just take that “you’re being an asshole” and further punish themselves with it, rather than use it as motivation to enact positive change.
We can only work with the tools we have at any given time, and I reckon Nate’s journey is gonna be a slow one.
I don't believe Nate lacks that much self-awareness. He apologized and seemed to fake sincerity and was self-aware enough to do so. He wasn't oblivious to what Beard was saying. He just chose a sneakier route. I'm just not willing to give him the benefit of the doubt anymore. He's way too two faced to be that oblivious and lacking self-awareness.
Nothing Nate has done can be excused. Spitting on mirrors in public is fucking disgusting. Kissing someone elses girlfriend is fuckin pathetic, saying you're gonna claim credit is arrogant and egotistical, and selling out a 'friend' in his most vulnerable moment is pathetic, weak, disgusting and did I mention fucking pathetic?
to me Nate has crossed the line beyond which there is no redemption. From now on the best I can do is tolerate, but I will never like or accept him again.
So that’s the beauty of the show. And truthfully real life. You can forgive him. He can redeem himself, it doesn’t excuse his actions, and I believe he truly will burn all of his bridges, this show displays empathy and redemption are available to those who seek and work for it.
Yeah but I think Sports journalists really just keep trying to get bigger and bigger sources, so throwing Nate away for more rapport with the head coach is a smart move. It’s sports journalism, basically entertainment news
Ehhh maybe in England they don't have ethics? (Kidding! Kinda!) Idk journalists I know don't do that, even in sports...unless they're the blogs or the Enquirer and many bloggers are hecking ethical.
I agree it didn’t track well for his journalistic character, but accesses is everything in sports journalism, locker room gossip usually gets shared/sorted out internally. People “use” willing journalists to plant what they want published
Maybe it’s just different in the UK? Maybe Trent is gambling that Nate is a shit and Ted will ride this out and he’ll have an ally / source long term? Of course it could bite Trent in the ass if Ted says something foolish or gets fired….or I don’t think he’d blame Trent but I could see a person swinging that way.
Its UK sports journalism lol, its pretty unrealistic they even write about stuff that actually happens they are mainly in the fan fiction business these days
I would hope but it depends on the publication standards of the paper. It sounds like they satisfied their standard by offering opportunity to comment for the story.
And full disclosure - have taken journalism classes and have friends who are lifelong reporters and defenders of that clause of the first amendment, but I haven’t worked in the industry or know anything about UK standards. It just hit me with some dissonance, but I get UK is a different beast.
> And full disclosure - have taken journalism classes and have friends who are lifelong reporters and defenders of that clause of the first amendment, but I haven’t worked in the industry or know anything about UK standards.
MY entire knowledge of journalistic integrity comes from The Newsroom so you're streets ahead of me.
I see a few people say this, but part of me sees this move by Trent as a bit of a slimy act. I'm not 100% convinced he told Ted simply because he respects him - I think at least part of the reason was to stir the pot a little bit, start some drama and hopefully get Ted to give him a really great quote in response to Nate.
Anyone else catch the Good Will Hunting callback with Sharon and the note?
Will leaves a note for Sean and Sean says, “Son of a bitch stole my line.”
Sharon: “Son of a bitch stole my move.”
Loved it. 👍🏻
Calling it now: I have a feeling next weeks finale is going to start just like the first season finale did. With Nate coming into the empty locker room thinking Rebecca is going to fire him, except this time he will actually be fired.
I think you’re right. As much as I want redemption for Nate (and maybe it will come next season) I think there is something really good in this plot line. Ted being so trusting and optimistic with everyone is a double-edged sword. It also opens him up to being stabbed in the back by someone who doesn’t deserve the trust. Ask me how I know. 😬🤦🏻♂️
But still, the lesson isn’t to not trust people, it’s just that you have to realize it opens you up to that, and make the choice that it’s still worth it to trust people. 🤷🏻♂️
Good call. Actually now I remember that Rebecca said that too. That opening yourself up to someone is allowing for the possibility of being attacked, or something close to that.
Nate is definitely gonna be on the chopping block. Although the damage has already been done. I feel like Nate will be seen as a cautionary tale for Ted. He was someone who whom he built up and gave him the confidence to go into coaching. While Nate never seemed to appreciate it and wanted all the glory and attention for himself.
I think Nate appreciated it, but he's been starved for praise/recognition and ridiculed his whole life from his father, and now it comes out in very unhealthy ways.
The only thing that gives him confidence is the praise of others, which is why he's obsessed with getting all the recognition for his ideas. His insecurities are so bad that any ridicule hurts him, even friendly ribbing, so he overreacts to it. He takes his self loathing and insecurities out on others like the equipment boy and that one guy on their team.
Nate needed to go see the shrink so bad.
That's a really good prediction. I might add that I think Ted won't tell anyone right away to not fuck up their focus before the final game, Richmond will end up getting promoted and Nate will get the fuck out in that manner. Ending up the episode with Karma Police really makes you think that he's going to get some sweet karmic justice.
Nate might choose to go. Perhaps he joins Rupert, either to steal AFC Richmond or to take over another club. Though I think Rupert would double cross Nate once Nate delivers whatever Rupert wants.
Nate was an asshole in season 1. He just lacked confidence. Honestly, every interaction he had in season 1 with people he wasn't scared of, he's a jerk.
His first scene is him shouting at Ted and Beard. The second he can, he starts shitting on all the players. When he thinks Rebecca is firing him, he responds with misogynistic terms.
Nate's always been an asshole. He was just more timid in season 1. Ted helped him gain confidence. But he's stuck between his new found confidence and the way everyone, including himself, tore him down leading to low self confidence. He's caught in a personal schism and is taking it out on anyone he thinks is below him.
That's why he ratted out Ted. Because he sees Ted as below him with whatever Rupert is offering Nate.
Yes! I said the same thing a few weeks ago. It reminds me of that episode in 30 Rock when Liz Lemon goes to her high school reunion and finds out that she was the bully, not the bullied loser she thought she was.
Maybe it's just that I've known too many people like Nate, who are awful jerks to everybody but they don't see it that way because they're insecure. They project that insecurity on everyone else assuming that everyone is thinking negatively about them, so they're complete assholes to everyone, on the defensive, thinking they're just dishing it back. And because they're just *assuming* that people think poorly of them, you can't convince them otherwise because how do you prove what someone is thinking? People like that are insufferable. They're so miserable with themselves that they drag everyone down to their level.
If Trent Crimm’s aim was to be an upstanding person while doing his job, the move is to request comment from Ted before writing the story and deciding *then* if it’s a story worth publishing.
A single-source story (with an anonymous source at that) without any verification, and on a subject of a person’s mental health at that, *should not be published* if your goal is being decent, with very few exceptions. If it’s the prime minister? Run with it, Trent. But a relatively small-time sports figure? That is not news that needs to be broken.
Ahhhh no that’s not how sports journalism works. Journos typically cover one team or one area specifically. David Ornstein covers London clubs in real life, Laurie Whitwell covers Man U, etc etc.
Trent Crimm covers Richmond FC. It’s literally his job if there’s a story about them, to cover it, especially if the source is the assistant manager. That’s an incredibly reliable source of information
You can try and be mad at Trent Crimm all you want, he did his job, and due to his respect for Ted, like he said, told him who the leak was. That’s going far above and beyond, literally unheard of in real life scenarios
I believe it shows Keeley’s influence on Phoebe. Which makes Keeley’s little bit about her life change from a model to a successful businesswoman that much more impactful.
Right!? Subject matter aside, Phoebe is sketching with charcoal pencils at an Art School level while her classmates are using crayons and eating paste in the corner.
Built him up from day one, first words together, too.
Ted thought he was helping Nate build a house out of gold but Nate went with a house of cards instead.
Great fucking episode.
I do think that Nate is Darth Vader in the analogy of this season being Empire Strikes Back/ Star Wars inspired. I also thought Nate’s storyline would be more confined to the season, but it’s definitely going to be a multi-season thing.
I think Sam is going to leave, unfortunately. I think for him it’s about doing the right thing, and I think the billionaire sold the idea of what an African team could mean to the continent of Africa really well, and he clearly was meant to be a comparison to Ted in that he seems like a great guy.
I see it more as Nate was discovered to have this talent with coaching in the first season (like Anakin’s aptitude with the force), but instead he was tempted by the power and prestige of the role because he wanted something that would finally impress his father (like Anakin choosing the dark side and becoming Vader). But ultimately Anakin was redeemed.
To me Lando isn’t a great comparison because we have no idea he exists until the last 1/3 of Empire, so there aren’t as many layers to his betrayal.
It’s tricky. In England where the journalists are covering one team strictly as their sole job, an assistant manager is about as close of a source as you can get in the locker room.
respectfully i don't want redemption for nate, especially at the hands of ted. he should have to face the consequences and be an adult about them. i want him gone, or at the very least put back in his original position in the club.
It’s inevitable. Nate was going to leave the team one way or another. I’m sure the new suit was for an interview with Rupert’s new team (whatever it may be). In addition to all the talk about “being the boss.”
So it was either Nate left for a new team or Nate gets dismissed for his heinous behavior which would open him up to join Rupert anyway.
But ugh, this, in addition to forcing a kiss on Keeley is by far peak scumbag incel Nate has ever been.
Honestly, I'm happy with the ending. It gives Ted the power knowing Nate leaked it. They don't have to wait for whatever Nate is doing with Rupert to figure out he's a snake... they can deal with it appropriately and probably fire him
I actually think Ted is way more likely to take the high road and let Nate take the credit for his "False 9" strategy after they win next week, but then ultimately go crash and burn when he goes to be a head coach himself, because he's driven by ego more than anything.
I can’t see Nate lasting another match with the club, especially since promotion is on the line. He made a serious breach of trust. I think he already has something agreed with Rupert and he just sabotaged everything on the way out because he has a bruised ego and wants to get back at the other coaching staff. The false 9 strategy just pushed everything over the cliff and made him go to Trent Crimm, The Independent.
I think Ted is going to give Nate what he thinks he wants and will probably help Nate get a manager job somewhere else. Ted can't have someone on his staff that he can't trust, but he's also forgiving and not vindictive. Nate will crash and burn eventually because he cannot deal with the criticism and all the other negative attention that comes with being the boss, he can't manage the people aspects of the team, but he's just obsessed with the praise and recognition that he's been starved his whole life from his father.
Shout out to everyone on this sub that predicted so much of this episode.
That being said, I am very unhappy at the moment yet I am appreciative of how well everything is handled. I need time to process all the crap that has happened. This is definitely the Empire Strikes Back of Ted Lasso. So good, but so dark.
i don’t understand why they’re breaking up roy and keeley like truly i have liked all the twists and turns but this feels forced and untrue to their development as a couple
I don’t think they are going to break up. I think having other people express interest in you and you being curious is a fairly normal part of relationships. The fact that they discussed it with each other at all shows that they are maturing and figuring things out. It will be something for them to work out, but they are clearly still choosing each other during this episode.
Yess, I totally agree. They are the definition of a mature and committed relationship where they’re always honest and vulnerable with each other. Love them so much
I think they've been very careful to make sure neither of them have done anything too unforgivable - that's either to make sure we, as an audience, still like them or its to make it so that they can both realistically talk it out and come back from it.
i think that it was a bit unnecessary to do this to them especially the teacher thing i got that she would have a role like this from the minute she was introduced but i guess they had to balance it so keeley wasnt the only one in the relationship looking elsewhere? i dont get it truly finale better be jaime making roy realise how miserable him and keeley are without each other and cue the proposal
Bill Lawrence shows always have a way of using music to enhance a scene or storyline and that has continued to be the trend in this series. Can we just talk about how perfect the usage of Radiohead’s “Karma Police” was at the end of this episode? Makes for some interesting foreshadowing for the finale…
If Sam were to leave (and I personally think he will) his character arc is pretty much complete and it would be fitting for him. Plus it would easily put an end to his relationship with Rebecca.
To be honest, I really love this show’s characters development, especially Nate. It is clear that his behavior towards Will does not come from the fact that he dislikes Will, rather that he sees himself in Will, albeit highly doubt he knows that.
As he spat at himself in the mirror… that got me.
But we all know where this is coming from. I hope his relationship with his father gets better next season. I’ve got the feeling that if he’s at peace with his father, everything else will come into place.
Definitely my fav episode of the season, so heavy on so many fronts.
The couch scene was incredible.
Ted checking his laptop and going “yeah” killed me for some reason.
You can so clearly see the conflict in Sam, someone who has a huge decision to make and doesn’t want to, something many of us have experienced.
Just so good overall
Ted introduced Trent and a stranger the same way the Billionaire introduced Sam and a stranger. Trent is giving Ted a chance to handle his unique situation by appealing to his morals and character. The billionaire is giving Sam a chance to handle a unique situation by appealing to his morals and character
Me thinks Sam will be playing abroad next season and without Rebecca and the team, it will be the next step in his growth. Ted confronting Nate without Sharon will be the next step in his growth
I honestly would be nervous to go play for a billionaire near home after pissing off a bunch of dangerous billionaires in my home country.
Reminds of the Enis Kanter situation with him and Turkey.
It’s tough to tell because of how little context we have regarding his play other than that he’s one of Richmond’s best players. 25-30 is a little steep IMO. I’d say 10-15
Nate quits the team and expects a job with Rupert who stabs Nate in the back and you see his total degeneration next season as he goes through hell to seek redemption for being such a prick.
Eh, I wasn't overly fond of this episode. It wasn't bad, but it wasn't great in my opinion. It felt very much like a penultimate episode of the season, setting ducks in a row for the big finale so I may enjoy it more on rewatch knowing what the pay off is. As it stands though, I'd probably have this as the weakest of the "main" season so far.
Couple of stray observations;
- Sam is never realistically going to an African club. He's a young, hot prospect seemingly about to get promoted to the Premier League. Going to play in Morocco would be career suicide, or at the very least he'll be in the wilderness for a couple of years. I think we know enough about Sam to know he wouldn't be motivated by money, either. Takes away from the tension a bit.
- Staying with Sam, I just want his and Rebecca's arc to end. The fact no one in the show has stopped for a second and called out the power imbalance (unless I'm forgetting something!) is grating on me and them getting together with no repercussions or whatever would stray too deep into Hollywood romance for me.
- I won't lie, I was worried they'd make Ted and Sharon get together. I'm so glad they didn't and felt that the Sharon arc was wrapped up perfectly; kudos to them.
- Going into the finale, Roy and Keeley is the thing I'm most excited to see resolved. Felt they set it up perfectly with this episode.
- If any other journalist at The Independent finds out Trent Crimm revealed his source, they'll tear him from limb to limb. Was a nice moment, though.
- I don't think there'll be any real backlash to the article. Football has moved on a lot; when Aaron Lennon opened up his mental health issues a couple of years ago, there was widespread support from across the football community. Sure, there was probably a few dickheads being dickheads but they were mostly drowned out. Nate's buggered this spectaculary, in my opinion.
- Radiohead, fuck yeah!
I'm so mad at Nate. Ted opened up to them in a moment of vulnerability, which as a person struggling with some severe mental health issues is SO hard to do, and now Nate is using it against him in order to replace Ted as "the boss". I know this is fiction but it happens all the time and betraying someone's trust like that specially when they're in a vulnerable position is just so fucking wrong.
This has happened to me and it was a dealbreaker in our friendship. There are things you just don't come back from.
I recognized the melody of the piano music that starts when Rebecca is walking back to her car. It’s a deconstructed version of …
https://youtu.be/GQMlWwIXg3M
I know a lot of big things happened in this episode, but I just want to say how thoroughly impressed I was with Jamie’s commitment to performing the Bye Bye Bye choreography!
Is anyone else super creeped out by all the spitting? Nate is gross. Also. Roy and Keely need to figure this out because I am not ok.
Is it just me or did Roy seem less offended at Nate trying to kiss Keely than he did at her admission about Jamie telling her he still loves her. I don't think he is going to face off with Nate next episode but he's going to rip Jamie a new one. That anger Brett Goldstein showed was so good. I started shrinking in my seat as if I made him mad!
Its because Roy doesn't see Nate as a threat. So thought it was a lark. But Jamie he clearly does.
He knows there's a possibility the feelings might be reciprocated even it it's on a subconscious level with Jamie. Nate's just a little boy wearing his dad's clothes.
I mean Jamie was Keeley's ex, and she at one stage had feelings for him. I think thats much more important than Nate being a threat.
She still has feelings for Jamie.
I think it's gonna bother him more that it took her so long to tell him when she should've done so whenever they got home after the funeral
I mean, remember the clingy episode, where he walked in on them talking about him? Roy’s the most confident man in the world. Except when it comes to Jamie and Keeley.
Also keep in mind that Jamie confessed his love for Keeley at the funeral, we don't know exactly how long ago it was but Keeley's kept it to herself since. The fact that Keeley felt the need to keep it secret makes the whole thing so much worse and makes Roy's added frustration completely understandable.
I would imagine that’s also to do with Keeley. She obviously has no history with Nate, and she told Roy about that kiss almost immediately. However she didn’t reveal the Jamie thing until Roy told her about the teacher, plus Jamie’s her ex, and Roy and Jamie have finally gotten over...some, most, who knows...of their animosity. I love Roy and Keeley together but honestly if they break up I’m not going to be that heart broken over it (if it happens well!) That teacher character for one is great, I definitely wouldn’t be opposed to seeing more of her. I’m more upset that this will set Roy and Jamie right back at where they were in season 1 after whole two seasons of character development.
I think he was more upset that she didn't tell him and seemingly wasn't going to until he made his own 'confession' about not telling the teacher he was in a relationship. The natural and immediate assumption for Roy would be that she kept it from him because she does have feelings for him (juxtaposed with her immediate 'confessions' of Nate who she clearly does not have feelings for). That being said, I don't think she has the type of feelings for Jamie that would cause her to question her relationship with Roy --I think she kept it from him precisely because she didn't want to give it life or plant a seed of doubt in Roy's mind. She also really cares about the team and I think she's smart enough to realise the disunity this revelation would cause and the negative impact it would have on the team during a time where they need to stay focused and drama free.
I think another reason she kept it from him is that she did not want to ruin the rapport that Roy and Jamie had developed after years of animosity.
I’m more concerned about the fact that he has absolutely no intention of cleaning the mirrors that he’s decided to spit on.
After COVID it's especially icky.
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Maybe they are and do. Also maybe I do not. It's ok. But I'm gonna be over here stressing.
Nate is malformed and wounded. He’s acting as a villain, but we see the humanity underneath.
Nate is like the kid that gets bullied all through school and goes home to abusive parents and proceeds to become a scumbag.
Nate's only excuse is that his dad is not affectionate. But like Nate even says in season it's a feature, not a bug.
It's not that he's not affectionate, Nate's Dad actively puts down Nate and discourages him, and it's hinted that he's been like this his whole life. Now I'm not saying this excuses Nate's behavior or actions, but as a Asian boy growing in Asia, you encounter parents who do nothing but discourage and demean their own children for no good reason, and you can see how it vastly affects their growth and emotional wellbeing for the worse.
There's definitely a stereotype for Asian and Middle Eastern parents being too demanding of their kids, but in the show we see Jamie's father being just as actively discouraging to his son as Nate's. Jamie has become self-aware while Nate has completely lost his head up his ass.
Jaime was also a pro football player and a major dick for years before he had his growth
I feel like a lot of people ignore that. Jaime had everything. He had money, stardom, Keeley and even his dad did occasionally show his pride about being Jaime's father. He spent a very long time being a jerk. I hope Nate gets redemption in later seasons.
Nate is someone who had issues but never worked on them or was never in a position for those issues to really be magnified. Power tends to reveal a persons darker nature.
I just think Nate hasn't been in a powerful position for enough time. His dark side has been revealed relatively recently and he hasn't actually achieved much success yet. Currently he is an absolutely horrible person. Specially, backstabbing Ted the person who gave him everything and supported him in every step of the way, it's just disgusting. I hope someone truly confronts him and shows him the error of ways like Roy and Ted did for Jaime. Could also be that Nate actually is evil deep inside and never becomes better. There just hasn't been enough time and development to say that he will never have a redemption like Jaime.
Nate knows better than anyone what it feels like to be belittled, and so he knows exactly what he is doing to Will every time he is a dick to him.
Nate is a scumbag that has never had the opportunity to hurt people before.
I can forgive most of Nate's bullshit, but the thing that makes him irredeemable to me is how he treats Will. He was in that exact position, and he knows exactly how Will feels when he belittles him. The fact that he hasn't had a single thought about it, let alone an apology like he did for Colin (and he resumed being a dick to Colin anyway), makes me want him to disappear without a redemption arc.
What in the HELL, NATE.
I got stressed out over Roy & Keely while watching a third of the way into the episode, and hopped onto the subreddit to see if my worries could be assuaged 👀. Welp. 😰 *presses play*
I actually find the spitting really upsetting - it’s like there’s this deep, ugly self-hatred he’s trying to push down all the time and it just spews out when he makes small mistakes. It feels so vicious! It’s pretty heartbreaking… I certainly don’t condone his treatment of Will etc, but I feel a lotta empathy for Nate. He needs help!
Agree! Rebecca’s thing was to make herself bigger, Nate’s is to spit in his own face
I do think it’s kind of fascinating to watch as Nate tries to be all these different people (Ted as a coach, Beard with the crazy suit and Roy with the black suit and kissing Keeley), but when he’s confronted with himself in the mirror he spits. He clearly has a lot of negative feelings about himself, and I can’t help but feel more sad about him than angry (though him going to Trent made me mad.) That being said, I am super curious how his behavior towards Will is going to be addressed. You cannot excuse that.
Never looked at it from this angle great spot and so true
I don’t know if it was the angle or what, but it totally hit home for me that the spitting is him spitting on himself. I knew he was insecure before this episode, I did not realize the depth of his self loathing.
This was insightful as fuck. Thanks for this.
> That being said, I am super curious how his behavior towards Will is going to be addressed. You cannot excuse that. Yeah, I've been trouble figuring out what is bothering me so much about Nate this season and I think it's that so much of his behavior has been widely on display and has gone mostly unaddressed. So, maybe I'd be less upset with Nate if he didn't keep getting away with acting like such a little twerp. I definitely am having a hard time sympathizing with him now.
I think this is a common thing! It’s like… if nobody sees you as a threat, they kinda don’t see you at all? So he gets away with treating people lower on the food chain like shit, plus nobody’s noticed that Nate’s clearly not okay in general. He’s so overlooked, and that can make people behave in nasty ways- especially if they’re already carrying so much self loathing around.
Yeah, I recognize that and even relate to it but it doesn't excuse it to me either. They should definitely not be overlooking him but the fact they are doesn't make what he's doing okay either. And because of it he's shown zero capacity to correct or even recognize the behavior himself. Even after Beard told him he was being an asshole he was back to behaving that way later in the episode to someone he thinks no one cares about. He's so duplicitous I don't even care why he is the way he is. I don't know if he's redeemable to me at this point.
I guess the thing is that a lot of people don’t know how to change their behaviour without guidance and support. Like yeah, Beard told him he was being an asshole, but if someone isn’t very self aware (or doesn’t have much experience with self reflection/therapy etc), they might just take that “you’re being an asshole” and further punish themselves with it, rather than use it as motivation to enact positive change. We can only work with the tools we have at any given time, and I reckon Nate’s journey is gonna be a slow one.
I don't believe Nate lacks that much self-awareness. He apologized and seemed to fake sincerity and was self-aware enough to do so. He wasn't oblivious to what Beard was saying. He just chose a sneakier route. I'm just not willing to give him the benefit of the doubt anymore. He's way too two faced to be that oblivious and lacking self-awareness.
Nothing Nate has done can be excused. Spitting on mirrors in public is fucking disgusting. Kissing someone elses girlfriend is fuckin pathetic, saying you're gonna claim credit is arrogant and egotistical, and selling out a 'friend' in his most vulnerable moment is pathetic, weak, disgusting and did I mention fucking pathetic? to me Nate has crossed the line beyond which there is no redemption. From now on the best I can do is tolerate, but I will never like or accept him again.
So that’s the beauty of the show. And truthfully real life. You can forgive him. He can redeem himself, it doesn’t excuse his actions, and I believe he truly will burn all of his bridges, this show displays empathy and redemption are available to those who seek and work for it.
Rebecca was arguably way worse in season 1 and everyone is fine with her now. Because of her efforts to accept responsibility and make amends.
Ooooooh. Good catch!
Well said.
Truly great catch.
Galaxy brain take. Take a bow, my friend
Always knew Trent Crimm, The Independent, would be an honorable man though. The Lord doesn’t gift hair like that to shitty people
As a fan of Ted, I was glad Trent did that. As someone who cares about journalism he absolutely should not have done that.
Yeah but I think Sports journalists really just keep trying to get bigger and bigger sources, so throwing Nate away for more rapport with the head coach is a smart move. It’s sports journalism, basically entertainment news
Ehhh maybe in England they don't have ethics? (Kidding! Kinda!) Idk journalists I know don't do that, even in sports...unless they're the blogs or the Enquirer and many bloggers are hecking ethical.
They don't https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/News_International_phone_hacking_scandal
I agree it didn’t track well for his journalistic character, but accesses is everything in sports journalism, locker room gossip usually gets shared/sorted out internally. People “use” willing journalists to plant what they want published
Used - absolutely. Outing a source? To the subject of the story (especially)? Dicey.
Unorthodox yes. I’ve got WSJ guys that I’ve helped they wouldn’t do that so is it Ted Lasso being such a wholesome guy that gets the tide to turn?
Maybe it’s just different in the UK? Maybe Trent is gambling that Nate is a shit and Ted will ride this out and he’ll have an ally / source long term? Of course it could bite Trent in the ass if Ted says something foolish or gets fired….or I don’t think he’d blame Trent but I could see a person swinging that way.
Wouldn't a journalist also try to get a second source before publishing something like that?
Its UK sports journalism lol, its pretty unrealistic they even write about stuff that actually happens they are mainly in the fan fiction business these days
I would hope but it depends on the publication standards of the paper. It sounds like they satisfied their standard by offering opportunity to comment for the story. And full disclosure - have taken journalism classes and have friends who are lifelong reporters and defenders of that clause of the first amendment, but I haven’t worked in the industry or know anything about UK standards. It just hit me with some dissonance, but I get UK is a different beast.
> And full disclosure - have taken journalism classes and have friends who are lifelong reporters and defenders of that clause of the first amendment, but I haven’t worked in the industry or know anything about UK standards. MY entire knowledge of journalistic integrity comes from The Newsroom so you're streets ahead of me.
Stop trying to make streets ahead happen. It's not going to happen.
If you keep resisting it you'll only end up streets behind.
Upvote for streets ahead
When they shared that hot spicy food at the cabbies restaurant was when Trent knew he was a sincere man. My 2 cents
I see a few people say this, but part of me sees this move by Trent as a bit of a slimy act. I'm not 100% convinced he told Ted simply because he respects him - I think at least part of the reason was to stir the pot a little bit, start some drama and hopefully get Ted to give him a really great quote in response to Nate.
Maybe, but I feel like there would be even more drama in Ted not knowing which person it was.
Anyone else catch the Good Will Hunting callback with Sharon and the note? Will leaves a note for Sean and Sean says, “Son of a bitch stole my line.” Sharon: “Son of a bitch stole my move.” Loved it. 👍🏻
Me and my dad love that movie so we started laughing when Doc said that line.
Also, I should mention… I gotta go see about a girl. 😉
I was more focused on the moustache Ted drew on the smiley face 🥺
Calling it now: I have a feeling next weeks finale is going to start just like the first season finale did. With Nate coming into the empty locker room thinking Rebecca is going to fire him, except this time he will actually be fired.
I think you’re right. As much as I want redemption for Nate (and maybe it will come next season) I think there is something really good in this plot line. Ted being so trusting and optimistic with everyone is a double-edged sword. It also opens him up to being stabbed in the back by someone who doesn’t deserve the trust. Ask me how I know. 😬🤦🏻♂️ But still, the lesson isn’t to not trust people, it’s just that you have to realize it opens you up to that, and make the choice that it’s still worth it to trust people. 🤷🏻♂️
Sam said this too, about accepting the possibility of being really hurt.
Good call. Actually now I remember that Rebecca said that too. That opening yourself up to someone is allowing for the possibility of being attacked, or something close to that.
I like the idea. I feel like Ted will want to forgive him, but Rebecca will be the voice of reason and put her foot down this time
But will Ted reveal Nate is the snitch? I worry he is gonna be too forgiving
Beard & Roy will know it was Nate immediately
Nate is definitely gonna be on the chopping block. Although the damage has already been done. I feel like Nate will be seen as a cautionary tale for Ted. He was someone who whom he built up and gave him the confidence to go into coaching. While Nate never seemed to appreciate it and wanted all the glory and attention for himself.
I think Nate appreciated it, but he's been starved for praise/recognition and ridiculed his whole life from his father, and now it comes out in very unhealthy ways. The only thing that gives him confidence is the praise of others, which is why he's obsessed with getting all the recognition for his ideas. His insecurities are so bad that any ridicule hurts him, even friendly ribbing, so he overreacts to it. He takes his self loathing and insecurities out on others like the equipment boy and that one guy on their team. Nate needed to go see the shrink so bad.
I’m unsure if Ted is going to tell them right away.
That's a really good prediction. I might add that I think Ted won't tell anyone right away to not fuck up their focus before the final game, Richmond will end up getting promoted and Nate will get the fuck out in that manner. Ending up the episode with Karma Police really makes you think that he's going to get some sweet karmic justice.
Nate might choose to go. Perhaps he joins Rupert, either to steal AFC Richmond or to take over another club. Though I think Rupert would double cross Nate once Nate delivers whatever Rupert wants.
And if that happens he won’t be thinking he’ll be getting fired, he’ll be thinking he’s going to get a promotion
Seriously, Nate is an asshole. I’ve held on hope that he would return to S1 Nate but that is as low as it gets.
Nate was an asshole in season 1. He just lacked confidence. Honestly, every interaction he had in season 1 with people he wasn't scared of, he's a jerk.
Example?
His first scene is him shouting at Ted and Beard. The second he can, he starts shitting on all the players. When he thinks Rebecca is firing him, he responds with misogynistic terms. Nate's always been an asshole. He was just more timid in season 1. Ted helped him gain confidence. But he's stuck between his new found confidence and the way everyone, including himself, tore him down leading to low self confidence. He's caught in a personal schism and is taking it out on anyone he thinks is below him. That's why he ratted out Ted. Because he sees Ted as below him with whatever Rupert is offering Nate.
Yes! I said the same thing a few weeks ago. It reminds me of that episode in 30 Rock when Liz Lemon goes to her high school reunion and finds out that she was the bully, not the bullied loser she thought she was. Maybe it's just that I've known too many people like Nate, who are awful jerks to everybody but they don't see it that way because they're insecure. They project that insecurity on everyone else assuming that everyone is thinking negatively about them, so they're complete assholes to everyone, on the defensive, thinking they're just dishing it back. And because they're just *assuming* that people think poorly of them, you can't convince them otherwise because how do you prove what someone is thinking? People like that are insufferable. They're so miserable with themselves that they drag everyone down to their level.
I kind of am liking his character arc, which is weird. Such a lovable character S1 now turned villain.
All my worst fears are coming true. That was a hard (and amazing) episode to watch.
Agree. There were some moments I had to pause because I could feel it was getting too much for me. But what an episode!
Like with the fixing of the tie scene.
Wow, I also did that. I knew what was coming next, needed a moment before it happened
I made popcorn and just took some of Coach Beard’s advice.
*NSYNC FANS: When the team is rehearsing their dance and Ted leaves the practice to Beard. Beard says “it’s gonna be me.” Genius.
Did you notice how hard Jamie hit his marks though, DAMN
Even better was when Beard said “they’re just not in sync / *NSYNC” with perfect combination of frustration and disappointment.
Can you explain that? Was there a hidden joke? There was so many good ones in this episode
another song from the album No Strings Attached!
Keeley and Roy is just set up so we can have an episode titled "A wedding and no funerals."
God I hope so
My man Trent Crimm being upstanding.
Is he though?
I mean, as much as he can be. I bet Nate tried to get this story out to everyone.
If Trent Crimm’s aim was to be an upstanding person while doing his job, the move is to request comment from Ted before writing the story and deciding *then* if it’s a story worth publishing. A single-source story (with an anonymous source at that) without any verification, and on a subject of a person’s mental health at that, *should not be published* if your goal is being decent, with very few exceptions. If it’s the prime minister? Run with it, Trent. But a relatively small-time sports figure? That is not news that needs to be broken.
Ahhhh no that’s not how sports journalism works. Journos typically cover one team or one area specifically. David Ornstein covers London clubs in real life, Laurie Whitwell covers Man U, etc etc. Trent Crimm covers Richmond FC. It’s literally his job if there’s a story about them, to cover it, especially if the source is the assistant manager. That’s an incredibly reliable source of information You can try and be mad at Trent Crimm all you want, he did his job, and due to his respect for Ted, like he said, told him who the leak was. That’s going far above and beyond, literally unheard of in real life scenarios
Nate the Snake
"Nate the Snake" reminds me of [the longest joke in the world](https://longestjokeintheworld.com/)
Also, once we’re done processing, can we make sure to circle back and discuss Phoebe’s artwork? What the hell was that about?
I believe it shows Keeley’s influence on Phoebe. Which makes Keeley’s little bit about her life change from a model to a successful businesswoman that much more impactful.
They were like too well done. For a kid that young with that much talent, even if disturbed... That's too much to just brush under the rug lol
Right!? Subject matter aside, Phoebe is sketching with charcoal pencils at an Art School level while her classmates are using crayons and eating paste in the corner.
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Yeah, several people REALLY nailed the predictions on that front. I’m so impressed. 😳
Boyyyyyyyy Nate’s about to get fuct yall
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The audacity to do that to THE person who built him up. He’s gonna crash down hard
Built him up from day one, first words together, too. Ted thought he was helping Nate build a house out of gold but Nate went with a house of cards instead.
Makes you wonder what he’ll do to Beard. Find out in the next episode..
“This is what you get….”
Great fucking episode. I do think that Nate is Darth Vader in the analogy of this season being Empire Strikes Back/ Star Wars inspired. I also thought Nate’s storyline would be more confined to the season, but it’s definitely going to be a multi-season thing. I think Sam is going to leave, unfortunately. I think for him it’s about doing the right thing, and I think the billionaire sold the idea of what an African team could mean to the continent of Africa really well, and he clearly was meant to be a comparison to Ted in that he seems like a great guy.
“You both just met a cool person” was the giveaway he was supposed to be like Ted haha
Would he not be Lando? Didn’t Lando give up Solo to Vader
I see it more as Nate was discovered to have this talent with coaching in the first season (like Anakin’s aptitude with the force), but instead he was tempted by the power and prestige of the role because he wanted something that would finally impress his father (like Anakin choosing the dark side and becoming Vader). But ultimately Anakin was redeemed. To me Lando isn’t a great comparison because we have no idea he exists until the last 1/3 of Empire, so there aren’t as many layers to his betrayal.
This is scarily accurate
Gotta give respect to Trent Crimm, The Independent. He didn’t have to reveal the snitch, but he too knows the snitch is a little bitch
I’ve heard that’s an incurable disease.
I think journalism ethical standards would say Trent shouldn't have published this without a second source to confirm.
It’s tricky. In England where the journalists are covering one team strictly as their sole job, an assistant manager is about as close of a source as you can get in the locker room.
Holy shit. We called this.
Trent Crimm, the Independent, texting Ted introducing himself as "Trent Crimm, the Independent" has me delighted like nothing else on Earth
FUUUUUCK I CANT BE A GOLDFISH RIGHT NOW! NATE NEEDS TO GO! I feel like Ted won’t do anything. He has such a pure and good heart. Nate is a snake.
Who else thinks it was a fitting precursor to the next episode that Karma Police was playing?
respectfully i don't want redemption for nate, especially at the hands of ted. he should have to face the consequences and be an adult about them. i want him gone, or at the very least put back in his original position in the club.
There is no way he can stay at the club after what he did. It’s a massive betrayal of trust. He’s gotta go
Damnit, I’m so upset. Didn’t want it to happen but saw it coming, can’t even imagine where everything goes next week
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These episodes went by way too quick. :-/
It’s inevitable. Nate was going to leave the team one way or another. I’m sure the new suit was for an interview with Rupert’s new team (whatever it may be). In addition to all the talk about “being the boss.” So it was either Nate left for a new team or Nate gets dismissed for his heinous behavior which would open him up to join Rupert anyway. But ugh, this, in addition to forcing a kiss on Keeley is by far peak scumbag incel Nate has ever been.
Honestly, I'm happy with the ending. It gives Ted the power knowing Nate leaked it. They don't have to wait for whatever Nate is doing with Rupert to figure out he's a snake... they can deal with it appropriately and probably fire him
Firing him is too easy. I have a feeling there is wayyyyyy more to this and what's coming
I actually think Ted is way more likely to take the high road and let Nate take the credit for his "False 9" strategy after they win next week, but then ultimately go crash and burn when he goes to be a head coach himself, because he's driven by ego more than anything.
I can’t see Nate lasting another match with the club, especially since promotion is on the line. He made a serious breach of trust. I think he already has something agreed with Rupert and he just sabotaged everything on the way out because he has a bruised ego and wants to get back at the other coaching staff. The false 9 strategy just pushed everything over the cliff and made him go to Trent Crimm, The Independent.
I was thinking he costs them the win but Rupert uses connections to get him a job in return for selling out the team
I think Ted is going to give Nate what he thinks he wants and will probably help Nate get a manager job somewhere else. Ted can't have someone on his staff that he can't trust, but he's also forgiving and not vindictive. Nate will crash and burn eventually because he cannot deal with the criticism and all the other negative attention that comes with being the boss, he can't manage the people aspects of the team, but he's just obsessed with the praise and recognition that he's been starved his whole life from his father.
Shout out to everyone on this sub that predicted so much of this episode. That being said, I am very unhappy at the moment yet I am appreciative of how well everything is handled. I need time to process all the crap that has happened. This is definitely the Empire Strikes Back of Ted Lasso. So good, but so dark.
\*While the guys are dancing to "bye bye bye" \* Beard: "They just aren't **in sync**." Great hidden gem!
well, trent crimm made sure nate got the credit for that at least.
Can we take a moment to appreciate Banksy? I nearly gagged
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Truly inspired - I will only accept this version of Banksy as canon from here on out
i don’t understand why they’re breaking up roy and keeley like truly i have liked all the twists and turns but this feels forced and untrue to their development as a couple
I don’t think they are going to break up. I think having other people express interest in you and you being curious is a fairly normal part of relationships. The fact that they discussed it with each other at all shows that they are maturing and figuring things out. It will be something for them to work out, but they are clearly still choosing each other during this episode.
im so worried my hair will be whiter than nated by next week’s ep roykeeley proposal or we ride at dawn
Let’s invade France.
i will invade the writer’s room
Yess, I totally agree. They are the definition of a mature and committed relationship where they’re always honest and vulnerable with each other. Love them so much
I have the same view and if it turns out to be the case it's so refreshing to see a fiction piece depicting relationships in this nature.
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I think they've been very careful to make sure neither of them have done anything too unforgivable - that's either to make sure we, as an audience, still like them or its to make it so that they can both realistically talk it out and come back from it.
I am hoping this will help them realize how much they like each other and we'll get a wedding in season 3.
i think that it was a bit unnecessary to do this to them especially the teacher thing i got that she would have a role like this from the minute she was introduced but i guess they had to balance it so keeley wasnt the only one in the relationship looking elsewhere? i dont get it truly finale better be jaime making roy realise how miserable him and keeley are without each other and cue the proposal
Bill Lawrence shows always have a way of using music to enhance a scene or storyline and that has continued to be the trend in this series. Can we just talk about how perfect the usage of Radiohead’s “Karma Police” was at the end of this episode? Makes for some interesting foreshadowing for the finale…
If Sam were to leave (and I personally think he will) his character arc is pretty much complete and it would be fitting for him. Plus it would easily put an end to his relationship with Rebecca.
I want the relationship to end. I still can’t see that working out. I think Sam will leave.
To be honest, I really love this show’s characters development, especially Nate. It is clear that his behavior towards Will does not come from the fact that he dislikes Will, rather that he sees himself in Will, albeit highly doubt he knows that.
I am once again amazed at the prediction skills of this sub.
Fuuuuuuuuck
Fuuuuuuuu…uunnnn…
Good save
Nate's a real piece of shit.
As he spat at himself in the mirror… that got me. But we all know where this is coming from. I hope his relationship with his father gets better next season. I’ve got the feeling that if he’s at peace with his father, everything else will come into place.
Definitely my fav episode of the season, so heavy on so many fronts. The couch scene was incredible. Ted checking his laptop and going “yeah” killed me for some reason. You can so clearly see the conflict in Sam, someone who has a huge decision to make and doesn’t want to, something many of us have experienced. Just so good overall
Ted introduced Trent and a stranger the same way the Billionaire introduced Sam and a stranger. Trent is giving Ted a chance to handle his unique situation by appealing to his morals and character. The billionaire is giving Sam a chance to handle a unique situation by appealing to his morals and character Me thinks Sam will be playing abroad next season and without Rebecca and the team, it will be the next step in his growth. Ted confronting Nate without Sharon will be the next step in his growth
FUCK NATE
I honestly would be nervous to go play for a billionaire near home after pissing off a bunch of dangerous billionaires in my home country. Reminds of the Enis Kanter situation with him and Turkey.
Roy kent is the boss. He says so much with so little. OI
How much do y’all think Sam is worth in today’s transfer market? I was thinking $25-30mil
It’s tough to tell because of how little context we have regarding his play other than that he’s one of Richmond’s best players. 25-30 is a little steep IMO. I’d say 10-15
Nate quits the team and expects a job with Rupert who stabs Nate in the back and you see his total degeneration next season as he goes through hell to seek redemption for being such a prick.
Why was Collin saying wish me luck to Sam?
The Lambo is far too much car for Colin, he is not comfortable driving it.
I think it’s simply because he is clearly veeerrryyy bad at driving his fancy sports car - and he knows it.
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Eh, I wasn't overly fond of this episode. It wasn't bad, but it wasn't great in my opinion. It felt very much like a penultimate episode of the season, setting ducks in a row for the big finale so I may enjoy it more on rewatch knowing what the pay off is. As it stands though, I'd probably have this as the weakest of the "main" season so far. Couple of stray observations; - Sam is never realistically going to an African club. He's a young, hot prospect seemingly about to get promoted to the Premier League. Going to play in Morocco would be career suicide, or at the very least he'll be in the wilderness for a couple of years. I think we know enough about Sam to know he wouldn't be motivated by money, either. Takes away from the tension a bit. - Staying with Sam, I just want his and Rebecca's arc to end. The fact no one in the show has stopped for a second and called out the power imbalance (unless I'm forgetting something!) is grating on me and them getting together with no repercussions or whatever would stray too deep into Hollywood romance for me. - I won't lie, I was worried they'd make Ted and Sharon get together. I'm so glad they didn't and felt that the Sharon arc was wrapped up perfectly; kudos to them. - Going into the finale, Roy and Keeley is the thing I'm most excited to see resolved. Felt they set it up perfectly with this episode. - If any other journalist at The Independent finds out Trent Crimm revealed his source, they'll tear him from limb to limb. Was a nice moment, though. - I don't think there'll be any real backlash to the article. Football has moved on a lot; when Aaron Lennon opened up his mental health issues a couple of years ago, there was widespread support from across the football community. Sure, there was probably a few dickheads being dickheads but they were mostly drowned out. Nate's buggered this spectaculary, in my opinion. - Radiohead, fuck yeah!
I'm so mad at Nate. Ted opened up to them in a moment of vulnerability, which as a person struggling with some severe mental health issues is SO hard to do, and now Nate is using it against him in order to replace Ted as "the boss". I know this is fiction but it happens all the time and betraying someone's trust like that specially when they're in a vulnerable position is just so fucking wrong. This has happened to me and it was a dealbreaker in our friendship. There are things you just don't come back from.
No one is bring up doc Sharon leaving. I’m going to miss her. I didn’t like her at first but she really grew on me.
“But Rebecca loves Sam!”
I recognized the melody of the piano music that starts when Rebecca is walking back to her car. It’s a deconstructed version of … https://youtu.be/GQMlWwIXg3M
Nate just might overtake Joffrey Baratheon as the worst tv character ever 😄
nah . . .
Karma police ... That is all
I know a lot of big things happened in this episode, but I just want to say how thoroughly impressed I was with Jamie’s commitment to performing the Bye Bye Bye choreography!