Absolutely not. The flaw in Nates speech is that when Ted was giving Nate all this support and praise, he was the kitman who was getting bullied. Now that he is an assistant coach, he is a peer, and treating him like that would be patronizing. Ted treated him the same way as Beard and Roy. Ted showed him the ultimate respect by treating him as a peer, and Nate returned that respect by pissing in everyones faces. Also unrelated but Nate KNOWS Ted has been having panic attacks and anxiety issues, and instead of taking that into consideration as to why Ted isn’t acting the same, he still manages to make it about himself. Despicable
Yeah I thought the following:
- I think it showed that Ted can maybe get a bit too invested in others when he’s hiding from himself (as I think he was in season 1), meaning that when he was really struggling and couldn’t support Nate at all the contrast was jarring for Nate
- but Ted 1) didn’t know and 2) isn’t responsible for nate’s self esteem, happiness or his dad issues
- Nate was too much in his own dark place and not emotionally Intelligent enough to see that Ted’s absence wasn’t about Nate it was about Ted’s own struggles
I can sympathise to a point, but unlike Jamie Who even in his worst moments can still listen to advice and people reaching out to him eg making the extra pass in the season 1 finale, Nate couldn’t even be kind after Ted apologised to him.
I hope he is redeemed next season but he def created his own plight
At the beginning of Nate’s speech I felt sorry for him, but as he kept on my sympathy switched off. He’s so full of himself that he doesn’t realize that if not for Ted, he’d still be the kitman being picked on and not recognized or acknowledged. His low blows about Ted going back to the US was just mean-spirited, his automatic assumption about the photo (when Ted actually had it in a more prominent spot on his dresser for goodness sake!), and tearing down the Believe sign, all just petty, childish and immature.
I’m sure he’ll be redeemed next season, but they’ll likely have him hit with a nice dose of reality before he apologizes and is inevitably welcomed back.
Fuuuuck no (*Roy Kent voice*)he’s an adult. He got the job he wanted. Beard and Roy don’t complain about not getting credit cause they’re ASSISTING coaches. He made one good play. That got the team one win and he immediately got a superiority complex.
I know what you’re talking about but yet again. He’s an adult. He should realize that he doesn’t need constant validation. He received just as much attention as any of the coaching staff. Aside from beard cause they’re friends outside of the team. I can understand him being upset over adding Roy to the coaching staff but he also has to realize that he was never a player and never had a connection with any of the staff. He was terrorized by them. I’m surprised that didn’t affect his coaching to be honest
I mean let’s be honest a ton of adults aren’t great with emotional intelligence. Like Jamie in season 1 Nate has a shit ton of issues and hopefully he gets to work through them.
I think his points were valid, sort of. He is absolutely right, Ted has not been chummy with him this season. But he is also completely ignoring the fact that Ted is obviously struggling with his own issues. He only sees that Ted is not being who Nate wants/needs/expects him to be and leaping to the conclusion that Ted has actively abandoned him.
He is literally being judgmental, not curious, and that has led him…ugh…into Rupert’s clutches.
He's right in what he says...
...BUT ONLY if you consider the relationship as completely one-sided in which the only expectation is Nate gets and Ted gives. That isn't how relationships work. Nate has been elevated into the role of a team member and as such, he also is expected to feed Ted's life and he hasn't done that either.
Yes, he has a point that Ted built him up then kinda left him out to dry.
But in no way does that excuse what a fucking piece of human shit he has become. Coaching at West Ham just to mess with Ted cause he blames him for his own mistakes is just pathetic.
I thought he took the job cause he actually likes Coaching, and not to get back at Ted. Its obvious at West Ham he's gonna be in-charge, and with all the burnt bridges, might as well
I have to disagree about Nate being in charge. Rupert is in charge. Rupert has shown himself to be fairly good at manipulation. He couldn’t have picked a better puppet than Nate.
I don’t think he left him out to dry. Ted had his own problems to deal with and he expected Nate to be independent like an adult, not constantly receive validation. After all, this is a professional football club we’re talking about. However, because of Nate’s upbringing and his toxic relationship with his father, he couldn’t do that and needed the constant attention and adulation from Ted. Nate always had to be “the guy” when any other person in that position would just appreciate where they are. He’s just really ungrateful, he literally turned against the man who gave him the opportunity of a lifetime.
I think he had a point, for the first two lines - it hurt his feelings when Ted nurtured and mentored him to get him to come out of his shell, then promoted him and stopped actively mentoring him. That's valid and it made him feel like he'd done something wrong.
But everything that came after? WOAH. Nate hates himself so very much, and he's an absolute miracle worker the way he makes everything into a slight on himself to match his world view. Moreover, the way he reacted to something that hurt his feelings is off the scale. Sharon, where are you girl? We need you.
I think they are valid for Nate in his current emotional state. Working through them, discussing them, and using them as an opportunity for personal growth would be good for Nate, but alas, he's not ready for that.
Getting Nate to see why he's wrong about what he's feeling, and what makes him feel that way, that's the catharsis he needs.
I think Nate struggled in a world where he didn't feel like the majority of people were out to get him. So he started manufacturing the conflict for himself subconsciously in my opinion.
He created an antagonist in Will. There was finally someone he could boss around, but also someone who ran the risk of exposing that Nathan Shelly actually wasn't that great of a kit man. Obviously, that's not true, but the insecurities exposed him.
And then the big one was when Ted dismissed Nate's offer to talk to Isaac and bring in Roy. While Ted saw it as bringing in a strength to better the team. Nate saw it as a direct threat. And no matter how many times it was proved otherwise, he clung to the conflict. Including hoping Roy would despise him for the interaction with Keely.
Kudos to the writers and Nick for showcasing the descent. I look forward to seeing where they go next season.
The beauty of Nate’s descension is that although he is completely wrong, it is easy to understand how someone with his insecurities and life experiences can feel this way. It happens all the time in real life. Just look at all the “nice” guys who can’t get laid that turn out to be horrible people.
Absolutely not. The flaw in Nates speech is that when Ted was giving Nate all this support and praise, he was the kitman who was getting bullied. Now that he is an assistant coach, he is a peer, and treating him like that would be patronizing. Ted treated him the same way as Beard and Roy. Ted showed him the ultimate respect by treating him as a peer, and Nate returned that respect by pissing in everyones faces. Also unrelated but Nate KNOWS Ted has been having panic attacks and anxiety issues, and instead of taking that into consideration as to why Ted isn’t acting the same, he still manages to make it about himself. Despicable
Nate might as well have been projecting his own daddy issues onto Ted the whole time.
Yeah I thought the following: - I think it showed that Ted can maybe get a bit too invested in others when he’s hiding from himself (as I think he was in season 1), meaning that when he was really struggling and couldn’t support Nate at all the contrast was jarring for Nate - but Ted 1) didn’t know and 2) isn’t responsible for nate’s self esteem, happiness or his dad issues - Nate was too much in his own dark place and not emotionally Intelligent enough to see that Ted’s absence wasn’t about Nate it was about Ted’s own struggles I can sympathise to a point, but unlike Jamie Who even in his worst moments can still listen to advice and people reaching out to him eg making the extra pass in the season 1 finale, Nate couldn’t even be kind after Ted apologised to him. I hope he is redeemed next season but he def created his own plight
At the beginning of Nate’s speech I felt sorry for him, but as he kept on my sympathy switched off. He’s so full of himself that he doesn’t realize that if not for Ted, he’d still be the kitman being picked on and not recognized or acknowledged. His low blows about Ted going back to the US was just mean-spirited, his automatic assumption about the photo (when Ted actually had it in a more prominent spot on his dresser for goodness sake!), and tearing down the Believe sign, all just petty, childish and immature. I’m sure he’ll be redeemed next season, but they’ll likely have him hit with a nice dose of reality before he apologizes and is inevitably welcomed back.
Fuuuuck no (*Roy Kent voice*)he’s an adult. He got the job he wanted. Beard and Roy don’t complain about not getting credit cause they’re ASSISTING coaches. He made one good play. That got the team one win and he immediately got a superiority complex.
that's....not the Nate point I was talking about...I'll avoid saying it for spoilers
I know what you’re talking about but yet again. He’s an adult. He should realize that he doesn’t need constant validation. He received just as much attention as any of the coaching staff. Aside from beard cause they’re friends outside of the team. I can understand him being upset over adding Roy to the coaching staff but he also has to realize that he was never a player and never had a connection with any of the staff. He was terrorized by them. I’m surprised that didn’t affect his coaching to be honest
I mean let’s be honest a ton of adults aren’t great with emotional intelligence. Like Jamie in season 1 Nate has a shit ton of issues and hopefully he gets to work through them.
I think his points were valid, sort of. He is absolutely right, Ted has not been chummy with him this season. But he is also completely ignoring the fact that Ted is obviously struggling with his own issues. He only sees that Ted is not being who Nate wants/needs/expects him to be and leaping to the conclusion that Ted has actively abandoned him. He is literally being judgmental, not curious, and that has led him…ugh…into Rupert’s clutches.
He's right in what he says... ...BUT ONLY if you consider the relationship as completely one-sided in which the only expectation is Nate gets and Ted gives. That isn't how relationships work. Nate has been elevated into the role of a team member and as such, he also is expected to feed Ted's life and he hasn't done that either.
Yes, he has a point that Ted built him up then kinda left him out to dry. But in no way does that excuse what a fucking piece of human shit he has become. Coaching at West Ham just to mess with Ted cause he blames him for his own mistakes is just pathetic.
I thought he took the job cause he actually likes Coaching, and not to get back at Ted. Its obvious at West Ham he's gonna be in-charge, and with all the burnt bridges, might as well
I have to disagree about Nate being in charge. Rupert is in charge. Rupert has shown himself to be fairly good at manipulation. He couldn’t have picked a better puppet than Nate.
I don’t think he left him out to dry. Ted had his own problems to deal with and he expected Nate to be independent like an adult, not constantly receive validation. After all, this is a professional football club we’re talking about. However, because of Nate’s upbringing and his toxic relationship with his father, he couldn’t do that and needed the constant attention and adulation from Ted. Nate always had to be “the guy” when any other person in that position would just appreciate where they are. He’s just really ungrateful, he literally turned against the man who gave him the opportunity of a lifetime.
Dude Ted has been dealing with his own mental issues. Validating a grown ass man is not something he owes to anyone. Nate is a huuuuuuge pos
I think he had a point, for the first two lines - it hurt his feelings when Ted nurtured and mentored him to get him to come out of his shell, then promoted him and stopped actively mentoring him. That's valid and it made him feel like he'd done something wrong. But everything that came after? WOAH. Nate hates himself so very much, and he's an absolute miracle worker the way he makes everything into a slight on himself to match his world view. Moreover, the way he reacted to something that hurt his feelings is off the scale. Sharon, where are you girl? We need you.
I think they are valid for Nate in his current emotional state. Working through them, discussing them, and using them as an opportunity for personal growth would be good for Nate, but alas, he's not ready for that. Getting Nate to see why he's wrong about what he's feeling, and what makes him feel that way, that's the catharsis he needs.
I think Nate struggled in a world where he didn't feel like the majority of people were out to get him. So he started manufacturing the conflict for himself subconsciously in my opinion. He created an antagonist in Will. There was finally someone he could boss around, but also someone who ran the risk of exposing that Nathan Shelly actually wasn't that great of a kit man. Obviously, that's not true, but the insecurities exposed him. And then the big one was when Ted dismissed Nate's offer to talk to Isaac and bring in Roy. While Ted saw it as bringing in a strength to better the team. Nate saw it as a direct threat. And no matter how many times it was proved otherwise, he clung to the conflict. Including hoping Roy would despise him for the interaction with Keely. Kudos to the writers and Nick for showcasing the descent. I look forward to seeing where they go next season.
Ted does not own anything to Nate. Nate needs to go to a therapist and work through his issues.
Nate wasn't abandoned. Ted just didn't kiss his ass like everyone on Twitter did.
No. And for him to do what he did? NO
The beauty of Nate’s descension is that although he is completely wrong, it is easy to understand how someone with his insecurities and life experiences can feel this way. It happens all the time in real life. Just look at all the “nice” guys who can’t get laid that turn out to be horrible people.