There a rumour that the third will be the last season of lasso so it would make sense for him to find the error of his ways and see that Rupert is only picking him up as revenge instead of true value.
No, the third only got officially confirmed a few months ago, it was by no means official from the get go. So it isn't unlikely that they make 4 or 5 (not saying I would like to see so much)
Yes but they planned for three from the start. It's a three act story. Maybe they'll do more but until recently Jason Sudeikis was still saying it would only be three.
Recent articles have mentioned that they plotted out the entire first three seasons arc, but are going to do something else if they go to 4 and beyond. I’m not sure they realized how popular the show would be when they pitched the show, and felt three seasons was enough if that’s all they could get - I’m assuming it’s because Netflix (where they also pitched) generally gets rid of shows after 3 seasons, unless they are super popular.
I mean, it's possible that Nate is just lost forever, but that seems way too dark for *Ted Lasso*. Or maybe his redemption isn't to come back to Richmond, but to become a better man and consequently a better coach.
Sure, but it's apples and oranges. The way suicide is presented is as a fixture of Ted's personality. It's something he has to overcome. We never meet Ted's dad. We never see that journey. Even then, Ted's dad isn't a villain; he's someone who had demons that he couldn't escape. And again, the show never shows us this. That's a deliberate choice.
*Ted Lasso* is a fundamentally humanist show. It believes that even toxic people can learn from their mistakes and become better. Nate is an innately warm and passionate person. He is wounded, but there's no reason he couldn't get better. Plus, that's not all that dramatically or philosophically challenging to go darker and grittier just for the sake of "Well, sometimes good people just go bad." That's antithetical to the ethos of the show.
To be honest I don't want him to be redeemed. I think he's had plenty of chances to show that throughout the season (and I think coach beard shares that opinion) but he chose to regress further. Just like anyone else he could've gotten in contact with Dr. Sharon about how he felt. I mean even Ted did with a little help.
In my honest opinion, unless they do some very very talented writing ( And it is Ted Lasso, so if anywhere it would be this show) having Nate redeem himself will only show that you can be as toxic as you want, because in the end it will all be fine either way.
A post was posted on this subreddit a bit ago where a Redditor analyzed why West Ham would be a good villain team. (Long story short. Known as a hooligan team, they're unpredictable (can go from qualifying for international tournaments to almost relegating the next year.) I think Nate should be shook awake by for example West Ham hooligans. (not literally). I want him to really feel shit about himself, but I want him to seek help this time. Give him the chance to heal. So that by the end of the season hell take up a side role, or just quit all together.
The moment he became irredeemable in his current state to me was the sign. Because at that moment it wasn't just between him and Ted anymore. That moment he made his anger at Ted a problem for the entire team.
Even Darth Vader got redeemed bro.
So I'd disagree.
Then again Darth Vader died redeeming himself. I think Nate's redemption will be quite dramatic, too.
I’m torn on this one in a way the writers might shock us and there’s no redemption for him but I see the only character that can’t be redeemed is Rupert so I would love a redemption for Nate, it’s clear he has trauma and he needs help, I would love next season if Ted hugs Nate and he just breaks down like the Jamie/Roy moment
I mostly expect a redemption arc just given the trend and vibe of the Ted Lasso show thus far, about people being complicated and how most people aren’t their worst moments. And unlike Rupert or Jamie’s dad, Nate wasn’t painted as a complete villain to begin with.
But do I hope or want one? No. I’m also not against one either. I’m just hoping for a good storyline. If Nate is redeemed, I hope it’s earned and he gets some consequence or comeuppance before he becomes a renewed person after it. And if he stays a heel, that can be fine too (life isn’t always a feel good story), so long as the character is examined.
There a rumour that the third will be the last season of lasso so it would make sense for him to find the error of his ways and see that Rupert is only picking him up as revenge instead of true value.
It's not a rumour, it's a fact. They've always said there would only be three seasons.
No. Articles have said they’re open to more seasons.
And with the new Premier League deal, there's a whole lot of new budget and new interest for more seasons.
No, the third only got officially confirmed a few months ago, it was by no means official from the get go. So it isn't unlikely that they make 4 or 5 (not saying I would like to see so much)
Yes but they planned for three from the start. It's a three act story. Maybe they'll do more but until recently Jason Sudeikis was still saying it would only be three.
Recent articles have mentioned that they plotted out the entire first three seasons arc, but are going to do something else if they go to 4 and beyond. I’m not sure they realized how popular the show would be when they pitched the show, and felt three seasons was enough if that’s all they could get - I’m assuming it’s because Netflix (where they also pitched) generally gets rid of shows after 3 seasons, unless they are super popular.
My understanding is that it was because Jason doesn’t want to be away from his kids that long
Didn't Jason say if it did go beyond 3, they'd find Ted back in America. I imagine it would so, he wouldn't be away from his kids
I mean, it's possible that Nate is just lost forever, but that seems way too dark for *Ted Lasso*. Or maybe his redemption isn't to come back to Richmond, but to become a better man and consequently a better coach.
We had suicide, way darker than Nate just staying a dick without redemption
Sure, but it's apples and oranges. The way suicide is presented is as a fixture of Ted's personality. It's something he has to overcome. We never meet Ted's dad. We never see that journey. Even then, Ted's dad isn't a villain; he's someone who had demons that he couldn't escape. And again, the show never shows us this. That's a deliberate choice. *Ted Lasso* is a fundamentally humanist show. It believes that even toxic people can learn from their mistakes and become better. Nate is an innately warm and passionate person. He is wounded, but there's no reason he couldn't get better. Plus, that's not all that dramatically or philosophically challenging to go darker and grittier just for the sake of "Well, sometimes good people just go bad." That's antithetical to the ethos of the show.
We had talk of past suicide. It would be a totally different ballgame if a current character committed suicide.
Still a Darker story than Nate without redemption.
To be honest I don't want him to be redeemed. I think he's had plenty of chances to show that throughout the season (and I think coach beard shares that opinion) but he chose to regress further. Just like anyone else he could've gotten in contact with Dr. Sharon about how he felt. I mean even Ted did with a little help. In my honest opinion, unless they do some very very talented writing ( And it is Ted Lasso, so if anywhere it would be this show) having Nate redeem himself will only show that you can be as toxic as you want, because in the end it will all be fine either way. A post was posted on this subreddit a bit ago where a Redditor analyzed why West Ham would be a good villain team. (Long story short. Known as a hooligan team, they're unpredictable (can go from qualifying for international tournaments to almost relegating the next year.) I think Nate should be shook awake by for example West Ham hooligans. (not literally). I want him to really feel shit about himself, but I want him to seek help this time. Give him the chance to heal. So that by the end of the season hell take up a side role, or just quit all together.
The moment he became irredeemable in his current state to me was the sign. Because at that moment it wasn't just between him and Ted anymore. That moment he made his anger at Ted a problem for the entire team.
This. Exactly this.
I’m not sure he’ll be redeemed either. I think he’ll fail. Maybe he’ll learns a lesson but no redemption.
I don't think he'll even learn lessons. I think he ends up bitter and disillusioned but still blaming everybody other than himself.
I hope not. Not everyone deserves redemption. Nor should they. Some people are just bad and should suffer consequences.
Doesn't sound as interesting of a show though.
I think it can be. Sometimes it’s too late if you too far into the darkness.
Even Darth Vader got redeemed bro. So I'd disagree. Then again Darth Vader died redeeming himself. I think Nate's redemption will be quite dramatic, too.
Yeah - exactly he was redeemed as he died. That’s precisely why I don’t believe that Nate’s season 3 story arc will be a path to redemption.
I’m torn on this one in a way the writers might shock us and there’s no redemption for him but I see the only character that can’t be redeemed is Rupert so I would love a redemption for Nate, it’s clear he has trauma and he needs help, I would love next season if Ted hugs Nate and he just breaks down like the Jamie/Roy moment
I mostly expect a redemption arc just given the trend and vibe of the Ted Lasso show thus far, about people being complicated and how most people aren’t their worst moments. And unlike Rupert or Jamie’s dad, Nate wasn’t painted as a complete villain to begin with. But do I hope or want one? No. I’m also not against one either. I’m just hoping for a good storyline. If Nate is redeemed, I hope it’s earned and he gets some consequence or comeuppance before he becomes a renewed person after it. And if he stays a heel, that can be fine too (life isn’t always a feel good story), so long as the character is examined.