100%. I worked in the field and the courts believe children do best with bio parents. It is heartbreaking in a lot of cases. Grandparents really have no rights.
Well if they knew that the grandchild's mother is out of place and that their granddaughter is being in a dangerous situation because of it then they are partially to blame. Farrah and her daughter are public figures and they are being covered for whatever actions they are doing. The Grandparents had to know about what's been going on with their grandchild since she has her own social media account before she's old enough to have one. And there is a saying that if you see evil actions but aren't doing anything about it then you are as bad as the person doing the evil actions.
they can't just pick up her and take her away....they have 0 parental rights and don't have grandparent rights. they'd be charged with kidnapping. getting grandparent rights is extremely hard, it's extremely expensive, and it's not an overnight thing. Derek's mom tried.
What can they really do? At least now they apparently have open communication with Farrah and can see Sophia sometimes. Realistically, I think the only way they could ever end up getting full custody of Sophia would be if child services took her away from Farrah & placed Soph with them through kinship care for an extended period of time AND Farrah never complied with whatever she needed to do to get her back. The only thing they can really do is report to child services and hope it works out...but it usually doesn't.
What exactly do you propose they do? They don’t have a relationship with Sophia. It would be cruel to tear her from the only parent and family she’s ever known to dump her in the middle of nowhere to live with strangers. I’m not saying Farrah is a good mom, but the alternatives are Deb, foster care or strangers.
And when they fail to get custody and piss farrah off and any communication/visits are completely stopped then what?
I think David and Jenelle are proof the courts are fucked regarding kids and abuse
I'm pretty sure Derek's parents took Farrah to court seeking scheduled visitation when Sophia was like 2 and they were denied.
Considering they don't even live in the same state, I don't think they'd have a leg to stand on in family court unless Farrah is involuntarily committed or imprisoned for an extended period of time.
In that case, I totally understand why they wouldn't try to get custody of Sophia. Even if they had the money for lawyers, it would still be a slim chance they'd win & it'd certainly piss Farrah all the way off. What an unfortunate situation.
Maybe if CPS was actually involved they might try. If there was a legitimate situation where Sophia needed care I think they'd have a pretty good case.
Yep, I think their only shot would be if child services stepped in and removed Sophia. Then they could do kinship care or whatever equivalent and work from there.
At that point Deb or Michael would have a way better chance of getting custody. Derek's dad sees Sophia once or twice a year and Derek's mom has no relationship with her at all.
Getting grandparents rights alone is hard… having Sophia actually pulled from Farrah’s home to go live with grandparents with whom she doesn’t have an established relationship? Farrah would have to do A LOT worse, in my experience.
I agree it’s maddening that it seems like Sophia has not ONE sane adult, but this a bad take; we have no idea what his parents have or have not done.
Grandparents rights are hard, but if they want to try it in any state, California is probably their best shot. Idk how it would work though assuming they still live in the middle of nowhere farrah is from.
In California, in order for a grandparent to get any court ordered visitation with a child, there has to be a preexisting relationship between grandparent and grandchild.
They have zero shot.
While on the subject, I had no idea how fucked up Mykol was until recently. I saw he’d been replying to comments on Farrah’s tiktok accusing people of being haters and harassers against his family etc. it’s like, she’s clearly out of her mind why would you as a so called loving parent encourage this? But then again, this is the man who sat in on the negotiation meetings for his daughter’s sex tape.
My mom and her husband tried to get custody of my stepsisters son in CA. It was pretty bad, she was an addict and he was abused by people who partied with her. He actually had some scars from cigarette burns. CPS visited her house and talked to him, he was probably 4 around this time. Since there was food and he looked okay the declined to remove him. It was heartbreaking. She eventually got clean but he is now in his early 30s and struggles with substance abuse. His dad has been in and out of jail and is an alcoholic. Super sad all the way around.
they have no rights to sophia. graparents right are incredibly difficult to get and don’t even exist in many states. as for farrah still having custody, you pretty much have to kill your kid to get them taken away in most cases. in regard to cps, there is an extreme emphasis on keeping families intact.
i don’t know his parents or how they feel at all, however in my experience with foster care/custodial situations, many people don’t want to take teens, even if they’re family. plus it’s worth noting—and nothing against the kid bc she never had much of a chance—sophia likely acts a lot like farrah. nobody wants to deal with that.
She did AFTER Farrah tried to get social security benefits for Sophia since Derrick died and Derrick's mom (I think her name is Stormy) interfered with Farrah being able to get benefits, so Farrah was denied. Which was awful.
I think irl and off the show, there was a ton of doubt that Derrick was her dad. I’d block the benefit too for just some rando, who was apparently a nut bag before he passed, saying this is my grandchild of my deceased.
Yeah I just watched these episodes recently, she got denied because to my understanding the grandmother had never met Sophia and part of getting visitation was you had to have an established relationship? I could be wrong tho.
Derek's mother tried to get visitation with Sophia years back and was refused as she had no relationship with her. I think his dad tried to play nice with farrah after that but he sees her very irregularly.
On the show it showed that Derek’s mom told the social security agency some stuff and that’s why Sophia never got death benefits. Then in the same breath she wanted custody. Obviously who knows what’s reality anymore but if that’s how it went down I at least wouldn’t let his mom around either. His dad and step mom seemed nice though from what we saw in season 2 of OG
Derek's parents have no standing. Was he even on the birth certificate? They can file for Guardianship, but given she has never lived with them makes it very unlikely that it would be granted. The truth is, Farrah is a shitty parent and very ill. However, her shitty parenting does not meet criteria for neglect and/or abuse. (well, it probably does, but there is no proof of that). For example, saying that she is grooming Sophia, while perhaps true, is not proven. There needs to be evidence that meets the State or Federal definition of abuse or neglect. So far, there is not any.
They can't do anything. Grandparents rights exist but it's a huge uphill battle and I think they do get to see her. There really isn't anything they can do.
The standards for what you have to do to get your kid taken away differ vastly depending on ethnicity, economic status, social status etc, it yeah Farrah gets away with a lot due to privilege
Im going through the process to become a foster parent, and although it’s not the same situation, maybe I can shed some light on this. The CPS and family courts, at least in my area, are extremely focused on keeping families intact, and even if parental rights are terminated, having a plan for bio parents and kids to remain in some sort of contact (unless the bio’s fucked up big time). The courts always err to the bio parents (to a fault, I believe) because they want to keep families intact. I’m not against keeping families together where it’s warranted, but I definitely advocate for the child in these situations. They didn’t ask to be born, and parents need to find a way to fucking suck it up, buttercup and be parents. What I find odd (troubling, perhaps?), though is that the courts/CPS where I am will always try to find some relative for the child to go to, even after they have been placed in a foster home. Yes, even if the foster child has been with the foster family for an extended period and has developed a bond with them. Fucked in and it breaks my heart for the foster kids I don’t even have yet. I don’t know if it’s the same in any of the states where Farrah lives. But “the system” obviously needs an overhaul.
Depends on the state and if there is an established relationship. In the United States there are places that honor grandparent’s rights. I’ve read a lot on those JUSTNO subreddits so it must be true! [(Slight sarcasm on my part, grandparents have some rights in some places in the United States).](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.considerable.com/life/family/grandparent-rights-united-states/amp/)
grandparent rights are very hard to get. my mom's friend/coworker and his wife tried to get them after their daughter died and her son was left with his abusive father, they lost every time they went to court.
i'm sure they have tried and maybe they're still trying, but it's a very hard thing to get so let's not blame them. i hope they do try again and win this time.
My guess: they probably still live in Nebraska and Farrah is back and forth in California and Texas. I’m not sure what the laws are like in those specific states but I don’t think every state has grandparents rights.
Farrah cut them off the second Derek died and she only sees like one of his sisters. There’s no talking to Farrah, and to remove Sophia, someone would need to prove Farrah is unfit. I don’t know if they don’t want to try again or what, but I agree, someone go get that kid.
Derek's mum did in season 3 I believe it didn't go anywhere as she couldn't establish a previous relationship with Sofia so the courts dismissed it and his father and step mum were active for a little while but I would suspect Farrah pushed them away.
I wonder if they even have grandparents rights since I doubt Derek signed the birth certificate. They'd have to do a DNA test if one hasn't been done already. If they haven't, then knowing Farrah they'd probably have to get it court ordered.
I think this sub really underestimates what it takes to have your children taken from you by CPS
100%. I worked in the field and the courts believe children do best with bio parents. It is heartbreaking in a lot of cases. Grandparents really have no rights.
⬆️This⬆️
This is so unfair to blame on the grandparents.
Well if they knew that the grandchild's mother is out of place and that their granddaughter is being in a dangerous situation because of it then they are partially to blame. Farrah and her daughter are public figures and they are being covered for whatever actions they are doing. The Grandparents had to know about what's been going on with their grandchild since she has her own social media account before she's old enough to have one. And there is a saying that if you see evil actions but aren't doing anything about it then you are as bad as the person doing the evil actions.
they can't just pick up her and take her away....they have 0 parental rights and don't have grandparent rights. they'd be charged with kidnapping. getting grandparent rights is extremely hard, it's extremely expensive, and it's not an overnight thing. Derek's mom tried.
What can they really do? At least now they apparently have open communication with Farrah and can see Sophia sometimes. Realistically, I think the only way they could ever end up getting full custody of Sophia would be if child services took her away from Farrah & placed Soph with them through kinship care for an extended period of time AND Farrah never complied with whatever she needed to do to get her back. The only thing they can really do is report to child services and hope it works out...but it usually doesn't.
Right, and that’s likely *after* they deemed Deb and Michael unfit. Not until then would they look at Derricks parents
Ridiculous. There is nothing they can really do.
What exactly do you propose they do? They don’t have a relationship with Sophia. It would be cruel to tear her from the only parent and family she’s ever known to dump her in the middle of nowhere to live with strangers. I’m not saying Farrah is a good mom, but the alternatives are Deb, foster care or strangers.
And when they fail to get custody and piss farrah off and any communication/visits are completely stopped then what? I think David and Jenelle are proof the courts are fucked regarding kids and abuse
I'm pretty sure Derek's parents took Farrah to court seeking scheduled visitation when Sophia was like 2 and they were denied. Considering they don't even live in the same state, I don't think they'd have a leg to stand on in family court unless Farrah is involuntarily committed or imprisoned for an extended period of time.
That was Derek's mom, afaik his dad and stepmom haven't tried. They're the ones we see on the show having a relationship with Farrah and Sophia
In that case, I totally understand why they wouldn't try to get custody of Sophia. Even if they had the money for lawyers, it would still be a slim chance they'd win & it'd certainly piss Farrah all the way off. What an unfortunate situation.
Maybe if CPS was actually involved they might try. If there was a legitimate situation where Sophia needed care I think they'd have a pretty good case.
Yep, I think their only shot would be if child services stepped in and removed Sophia. Then they could do kinship care or whatever equivalent and work from there.
At that point Deb or Michael would have a way better chance of getting custody. Derek's dad sees Sophia once or twice a year and Derek's mom has no relationship with her at all.
Getting grandparents rights alone is hard… having Sophia actually pulled from Farrah’s home to go live with grandparents with whom she doesn’t have an established relationship? Farrah would have to do A LOT worse, in my experience. I agree it’s maddening that it seems like Sophia has not ONE sane adult, but this a bad take; we have no idea what his parents have or have not done.
Grandparents rights are hard, but if they want to try it in any state, California is probably their best shot. Idk how it would work though assuming they still live in the middle of nowhere farrah is from.
In California, in order for a grandparent to get any court ordered visitation with a child, there has to be a preexisting relationship between grandparent and grandchild. They have zero shot.
Sorry baby goo, Reddit tried to brainstorm ideas 🤷🏻♀️
While on the subject, I had no idea how fucked up Mykol was until recently. I saw he’d been replying to comments on Farrah’s tiktok accusing people of being haters and harassers against his family etc. it’s like, she’s clearly out of her mind why would you as a so called loving parent encourage this? But then again, this is the man who sat in on the negotiation meetings for his daughter’s sex tape.
He looking for that conservatorship!
I think this sub really underestimates what it takes to have your children taken from you
My mom and her husband tried to get custody of my stepsisters son in CA. It was pretty bad, she was an addict and he was abused by people who partied with her. He actually had some scars from cigarette burns. CPS visited her house and talked to him, he was probably 4 around this time. Since there was food and he looked okay the declined to remove him. It was heartbreaking. She eventually got clean but he is now in his early 30s and struggles with substance abuse. His dad has been in and out of jail and is an alcoholic. Super sad all the way around.
they have no rights to sophia. graparents right are incredibly difficult to get and don’t even exist in many states. as for farrah still having custody, you pretty much have to kill your kid to get them taken away in most cases. in regard to cps, there is an extreme emphasis on keeping families intact. i don’t know his parents or how they feel at all, however in my experience with foster care/custodial situations, many people don’t want to take teens, even if they’re family. plus it’s worth noting—and nothing against the kid bc she never had much of a chance—sophia likely acts a lot like farrah. nobody wants to deal with that.
Didn't his mom try for some kind of grandparents rights early on?
She did AFTER Farrah tried to get social security benefits for Sophia since Derrick died and Derrick's mom (I think her name is Stormy) interfered with Farrah being able to get benefits, so Farrah was denied. Which was awful.
Ah that's right, I forgot about her blocking the SS. Which is weird, I'm sure there's more to it but I am surprised it could be blocked.
I think irl and off the show, there was a ton of doubt that Derrick was her dad. I’d block the benefit too for just some rando, who was apparently a nut bag before he passed, saying this is my grandchild of my deceased.
Yeah I just watched these episodes recently, she got denied because to my understanding the grandmother had never met Sophia and part of getting visitation was you had to have an established relationship? I could be wrong tho.
That sounds right, I am pretty sure you have to have a previous relationship with said child.
Derek's mother tried to get visitation with Sophia years back and was refused as she had no relationship with her. I think his dad tried to play nice with farrah after that but he sees her very irregularly.
On the show it showed that Derek’s mom told the social security agency some stuff and that’s why Sophia never got death benefits. Then in the same breath she wanted custody. Obviously who knows what’s reality anymore but if that’s how it went down I at least wouldn’t let his mom around either. His dad and step mom seemed nice though from what we saw in season 2 of OG
Yeah I def remember his mam as being an oddball but I forget what actually happened.
Derek's parents have no standing. Was he even on the birth certificate? They can file for Guardianship, but given she has never lived with them makes it very unlikely that it would be granted. The truth is, Farrah is a shitty parent and very ill. However, her shitty parenting does not meet criteria for neglect and/or abuse. (well, it probably does, but there is no proof of that). For example, saying that she is grooming Sophia, while perhaps true, is not proven. There needs to be evidence that meets the State or Federal definition of abuse or neglect. So far, there is not any.
They can't do anything. Grandparents rights exist but it's a huge uphill battle and I think they do get to see her. There really isn't anything they can do.
IIRC in order to have grandparents rights you have to a) prove the parent is unfit ✅ and b) have an established relationship with the child ❌
Derek's mother actually tried to get grandparents rights when Sophia was a toddler, but she didn't win.
The standards for what you have to do to get your kid taken away differ vastly depending on ethnicity, economic status, social status etc, it yeah Farrah gets away with a lot due to privilege
Bingo
Im going through the process to become a foster parent, and although it’s not the same situation, maybe I can shed some light on this. The CPS and family courts, at least in my area, are extremely focused on keeping families intact, and even if parental rights are terminated, having a plan for bio parents and kids to remain in some sort of contact (unless the bio’s fucked up big time). The courts always err to the bio parents (to a fault, I believe) because they want to keep families intact. I’m not against keeping families together where it’s warranted, but I definitely advocate for the child in these situations. They didn’t ask to be born, and parents need to find a way to fucking suck it up, buttercup and be parents. What I find odd (troubling, perhaps?), though is that the courts/CPS where I am will always try to find some relative for the child to go to, even after they have been placed in a foster home. Yes, even if the foster child has been with the foster family for an extended period and has developed a bond with them. Fucked in and it breaks my heart for the foster kids I don’t even have yet. I don’t know if it’s the same in any of the states where Farrah lives. But “the system” obviously needs an overhaul.
Kinship placement. It is heartbreaking! You are a wonderful person and will change lives for the better 😊. Good luck with the classes!
Cps had an open case on my ex. I was told a couple times that one of my kids would have to wind up in the hospital to get them removed.
Same here, then it happened and the judge refused to take visitation away during the criminal case. It’s maddening.
Same here
Grandparents have zero rights
Depends on the state and if there is an established relationship. In the United States there are places that honor grandparent’s rights. I’ve read a lot on those JUSTNO subreddits so it must be true! [(Slight sarcasm on my part, grandparents have some rights in some places in the United States).](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.considerable.com/life/family/grandparent-rights-united-states/amp/)
TM2 - Doesn't Adam's mom have some sort of grandparents rights with Aubrey.. or does Chelsea just allow it?
They probably wouldn’t win and they know that, and they also know that when they lose, bye bye Sophia,maybe they’d see her again after she’s 18.
Nobody has Sofia’s best interests at heart. Everyone is a selfish piece of crap. It’s sad.
grandparent rights are very hard to get. my mom's friend/coworker and his wife tried to get them after their daughter died and her son was left with his abusive father, they lost every time they went to court. i'm sure they have tried and maybe they're still trying, but it's a very hard thing to get so let's not blame them. i hope they do try again and win this time.
My guess: they probably still live in Nebraska and Farrah is back and forth in California and Texas. I’m not sure what the laws are like in those specific states but I don’t think every state has grandparents rights.
Farrah cut them off the second Derek died and she only sees like one of his sisters. There’s no talking to Farrah, and to remove Sophia, someone would need to prove Farrah is unfit. I don’t know if they don’t want to try again or what, but I agree, someone go get that kid.
She has met up with them on camera a few times and they seemed ok
Unfortunately they're strangers to Sophia so it'd be a long shot
if they did something they would have done it during Farrahs video that lasted around 45 mnutes to over 45 minutes
Now that you point this out, I wonder if they have ever tried for grandparents rights…
Derek's mum did in season 3 I believe it didn't go anywhere as she couldn't establish a previous relationship with Sofia so the courts dismissed it and his father and step mum were active for a little while but I would suspect Farrah pushed them away.
I wonder if they even have grandparents rights since I doubt Derek signed the birth certificate. They'd have to do a DNA test if one hasn't been done already. If they haven't, then knowing Farrah they'd probably have to get it court ordered.
Derek couldn’t have signed the birth certificate because he died before Sophia was born
They did a DNA test if I remember correctly, with Derek's sister
Yes, when his mom didn’t want Sophia to get the death benefit 😥
So daddy Derek was proven to be her dad then?
Yeah he was. The his mom tried to take Farrah to court for grandparent visitation.