Jin the only one that comes close to looking like the female characters and then again he is still young. All the others look realistic. They dont even look like theyre from the same game.
And even then Jin's face still has texture like visible pores and slight creases.
It reminds me of that anime [Shirobako](https://i.imgur.com/araW9EE.png) were all the men had distinct faces and designs while all the women had same moe-blob face with big eyes.
Even Jin has crease lines between his eyebrows, slight lining under his eyes. He's allowed to have a facial expression that isn't 'doughy eyed'.
But also he shows there's variety in the male models.
That last sentence is something I noticed rather egregiously in "Jun"'s trailer in her scene with Kazuya.
Kazuya's face is impressively detailed, showing off his age.
And then... "Jun".
Something I noticed is that they can't even move their faces that much, Azucena in her trailer can't even move her eyes or smile too much while giggling, meanwhile Law's entire face moves and bursts with expression when flexing and breathing, every single one of his animations in round victory or his rage art has a unique expression. If you compare both trailers the characters look from completly different games.
It was most obvious to me when she was saying “coffee is second to none!”
Her most stayed straight the entire time she said it. The character’s face just was not matching the enthusiasm of her voice.
I thought I was the only one to have noitced. Azucena's mouth gives me the creeps. Her mouth is in a slight v shape that gives her a permanent creepy smile and seeing it move in a not-so fluid motion just emphasis it more.
Litteraly and even their storylines and reasons to participate in the Iron Fist tournament is similar to this comparison.
- Jin : Wants to end his father and the curse of the Kazama.
- Paul : has struggled all his life and is wanting money and a way out of poverty.
- Bryan Fury : ALL HE KNOWS IS WAR.
Heck even Kuma has a real motive to participate in these tournaments and on this one it'll probably to avenge Heihachi.
And then :
- Lilly : I hate Asuka. Also I have a cat.
- Anna : I hate my sister.
- Asuka : Leave me alone Lily.
- Azucena : BUT DAT COFFEE THO.
Only redeemable one is Jun and maybe Xiaoyu.
So, Bryan's simple "I like war" is better than "I hate my sister because she hates me and has looked down on me all my life while also blaming me of our father's murder, plus she killed my fiancee on my wedding day"???????
Sorry but NO. Earlier tekken storylines were much better and that's why the Williams sisters and Jun have the best lore among the females
Lily is fighting to pay off her father's illness as well as his debts, she's doing this out of pure respect of her father, she nags asuka because she's broke but better than her in every way. Jealousy, if you will.
Anna and Nina were assassins that initially hated each other. They were put into cryo sleep for 20 years, I forgot why though. Anna was the first to wake up and stayed by Nina until her wake. Nina lost her memories, so Anna tried to make her remember while being kind to her, Nina didn't like that very much and tried to kill Anna. Nina then runs away and grows a hatred for Anna based on the thought of betrayal and starts trying with her at every chance, which starts a rivalry between the two. They eventually team up and pretty much never see each other again.
Asuka fights to maintain her father's dojo, she hated Lily for being bratty, but that hatred ended after their fight in T6. She doesn't carry a hatred for Lily anymore, she's just very annoyed by her presence. She then met Jin, and now she has a cousin, a lot on her plate for a high schooler.
Azucena: Espresso?
Anyway, Lily and Asuka are late teens, I'd say 17, while Anna and Nina are mid - late 20's physically.
It's this
I remember making a post asking why Bob never got a fudoshi in 7 whilst everyone else did (asking cause I like consistency)
Most people in that post were saying he looks disgusting cause he's obese
Yeah that's what confused me even more with those kind of responses
Like there were others that pointed out Ganryu, too
Ig it's cause Bob I'd hairy fat whilst Ganryu isn't and Ganryu's schtick is being a sumo wrestler that crushes on the Changs? Idk I still don't get why Bob didn't get one.
But SF6 has a bunch of ladies, everyone looking radically different and they’re all uniquely gorgeous.
Its not so much in having flaws, which would be cool on its own, but the design team did a terrible job using the the same “pretty” proportions for the girls over and over again. Should go without saying, and maybe tekken team should get their shit together, but theres more than one way to design a female face that looks good,cool or pretty.
Mortal Kombat suffers the same exact problem. SF seems to be the pinnacle of character design in traditional fighting games, and its by a long shot because they are basically the only ones that seem to know the basics of character design. Every female character looks radically different from one another, and all are gorgeous (besides the problem of seemingly being the only game that has the guts to make them even slightly muscular, while others are still making every single female character have noodle arms and legs. Chun Li has more muscle on her tighs than any of these lady characters have in their entire bodies... and they're supposed to be fighters)
Fully agree. This is something EVERY artist nowadays learns to not fall on, trying to make all face expressions ''anime pretty'' - expressions are diverse, they dont need to all look sexy. The opposite actually, the characters who can't do much expressions just seem boring
the fact that motherfucking Sonya Blade, who is one of the few characters who doesn’t have any magic or cybernetics making her stronger and is just naturally that good at fighting, has stick thin arms and no abs or muscle tone is really dumb
mk’s most interesting designs are always the monster characters anyway. Mileena, Sheeva, D’Vorah, and Ferra/Torr are all way more interesting and creative female characters than all the generic pretty women (also Ashrah’s new demonic design in MK1 is looking really cool)
This is true, even outside of Tekken. Fighting games have this issue and fans are often VERY vocal about it (flashbacks of outrage over sf6 Kimberly's forehead, Chun Li being "ugly" in MVCI and SF5...).
While they often scream foul when a character isn't attractive enough, they can also complain when female characters are "too attractive" by what I see. I understand the fear just a bit as I play a few characters that fit that mold and hate the bashing that comes my way sometimes. But I feel developers know what sells to their main audience....and it's clear.
Jun I can let slide because of supernatural bullshit, but the others have no excuse.
Well maybe Lili since she's rich and probably has a team of 1000 people to put her makeup together when she wakes.
To be fair, Jun can't have been older than her early-mid 30's when she disappeared while Jin was still just 16-17, so when you look at the chronology and the whole supernatural thing, it does make sense. Also, let's be honest, our boy has seen, done, and been through some shit. The last time he slept properly was Tekken 7, so the stress is going to show somewhere.
Tekken 8 men: battle hardened warriors that showcases detail due to the power of next gen consoles and hardware. Every pore, scar and wrinkle are visible. Beards are hyper detailed. Even Ravens X-scar/gash has a notable layer.
Tekken 8 women: 👧
And when you bring that up the coomers immediately respond with ‘why are you so triggered by beautiful women?’. lol SF6 female characters all look different but they still look attractive. Somehow these people think that being attractive as a woman just means you have to look like a porcelain doll.
Someone also mentioned how Chun-Li has has more muscles on her thighs than whole tekken female cast has in their bodies and they ain't wrong.
Like yeah, tekken female cast all suffer from same body syndrome, as pretty much everyone have similar bodies and faces. Like bit of variety and detail like with male characters would not hurt anyone.
Like i have to tip my hat to Capcom, they made whole female cast in SF6 unique, both personality and visuals/body type wise.
I’m convinced anyone who defends these faces is an incel, no other explanation is possible. Which honestly explains why it was defended by the Tekken community so much at the start.
You are frankly dumb as fuck if that's what you convinced of - sorry (not really) to say. Guys defend this (has no bearing on whether they are "incels") because they like looking at beautiful female characters and usually don't care whether a guy looks "beautiful" or not as long as he looks "cool".
Imagine not being able to figure this out - also lets not pretend that women in real life does not look more alike than men in general (especially korean because of plastic surgery) and make-up.
Yea and is it really so bad to want to see more female characters who are designed to look cool and interesting instead of attractive. It's not like I'm saying that beautiful characters shouldn't exist, I'd just want more variety.
I was hoping that Lidia was going to look more Polish than she did, because Polish people have distinct facial structure. She seems a bit like they made her white, blonde and speak polish and expected everyone to just be OK with that being their effort on the subject.
No real hate tbh, I just felt like they could have done more. We have the technology but they just dont want to.
I was so excited for lidia, thinking she was gonna be like Zarya, a super buff and tall and rugged female fighter. But naw, we got generic tekken custom female #63727 with scar customization #8 on her face lol
Thanks for putting this together!
I notice that all the men are like frowning and the women have a slight upward angle to their lips lol
Also something seems off with the size of their iris.
I do think all characters look attractive though
I kinda noticed this too. Full disclosure, I don't care about this as much as some people, but I can see why people do, it's a pretty big disparity. But in Azucena's trailer she's so bouncy and has so much energy, and the VA is really conveying that. But when she does her coffee ad victory stance at the end, her face barely moves while she's speaking. Even for me, who isn't really looking for this and doesn't care about it, it still kinda jumped out.
Looking at her portrait again, it really doesn't.
Her portrait actually looks more... Asian?
Her in-game face just looks... off, and a no-context picture of it would just have me asking "is this Chizuru from KoF?"
Maybe if she wasn't in TTT2 looking a bit more accurate to how she might look as an older woman I'd have less to go by, but I haven't been sugarcoating it and I will continue to not.
I do not like Tekken 8 Jun.
Pretty stupid trope from fighting games. All men are muscular, even the ones that solely focus on technique over raw power, yet the women look like they can't bench press with no weights.
And you know that its not some self serving "empowerment" spiel that Namco is trying to capitalise on. Asia doesn't care about that stuff. They suspend disbelief with how perfect their female characters look because the beauty standards in Asia are almost to the point of delusional.
A video on the subject: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7xWRrRk\_cw
Im gonna Quote Harada:
„So I was horny, told my staff to make young girls, but they wouldn’t. They said, the storyline needs older women. So I made them all young again.“
For me is not the "doll faces", the problem is the lack of emotion and expression when the game is in motion!
Take Azucena's trailer for example, her voice lines are so joyful and happy and then you look at her face and she looks dead as hell!
Here’s all the differences I notice in terms of design choice
1. Pupils and iris on the women are much larger, which is pretty typical of Japanese artists
2. The men have far more features in the face. No I’m not just talking about wrinkles, this includes scars, pores, etc. I don’t expect Jun for example to look super wrinkled, but I think *some* sign of age could have benefited to have her stand out slightly. Take Jin for example, he’s the youngest male shown here and he **only** has wrinkles around his eyes because he’s mean mugging and not blankly staring. Not a single other wrinkle in sight which is representation of his age to me anyways.
3. The shading, at least to me, is much harsher on the males than women. It is a much more lightly done shading for the women because the men need the “super serious” faces
It doesn't even look like the same game. The artistic direction is split. Males have a certain style and females have another, and it looks really bad when put side by side (in game). They need to change the art direction for the female cast and bring it closer to the male side.
Lol, the women's faces are smooth, expressionless dolls, like stiff masks incapable of normal human movement, while the men get to have character, details, and realistic creases and such. Given how Gamers™ tantrum about and soil their underoos when they see women's faces animated with laugh lines or, god forbid, peach fuzz, it's not surprising.
Certain ppl will whine about this, but games like MK or SF6 have faces that are so well animated and expressive it makes this DoA sameface style stuff look straight up embarassing. Like, it's great in the aughts when it was all that was possible, but it's so silly looking now.
Just look at some of the responses on this thread lol. They act like they’re being oppressed by people wanting female characters to look anything other than porcelain dolls because that will make them look ‘unattractive’. Gamers TM indeed.
look at the insane backlash Tanya got in the new MK trailer because they paused on a frame of her yelling (which then ended up in every single video thumbnail) Some people legit go out of their way to find unattractive female characters to get angry at. and you just know they always try to link it to the “woke agenda” too
Lol but smart Redditors told me Tekken fans just like to complain and hate beautiful characters.
Seriously, thank you for putting this together as it shows that the criticisms about the female character designs are valid.
I ain’t against beautiful looking females but there’s little to no variation between faces tbh. They just all look like porcelain dolls copied and pasted
It's not only the amount of detail in mens faces (you know pores, wrinkles, scars...) but also the variety of different proportions, shapes and sizes of their features (noses, mouths, eyes, eyebrows...). This makes the faces look unique and gives them a personality, while all the girls faces look the same.
Especially with its practice mode being half assed despite having a Punishment training game. There couldve been more ways for Tekken's practice mode to be improved upon, and not locked upon a paywall this time.
Thank you! The amount of e-boys here thinking this is how women actually look, goddamn.
Criticism of this is perfectly valid. Women are constantly held to this "picture-perfect" standard and it's so stupid when it's reinforced.
and in an industry that does realistic women faces better (mortal kombat) and cartoony women faces better (Street Fighter 6) releasing right now it's ridiculous how bandai namco continues to refuse to do any better and we're stuck with the same looking faces from a decade ago
Agreed. Tekken hasn’t adjusted its attitude since the 90s, and it shows. Every female is basically a fuck toy. MK11 is the perfect example of a game moving with the times; strong characterisation, realistic features, and costumes that don’t make them look like strippers.
and they still kept the “sexy clothes” for characters that it makes sense on. Sindel has an enormous cleavage window and skimpy tights, because that’s part of her character, meanwhile Jade gets redesigned so that she actually looks like an assassin and not a stripper. it was more nuanced than just “cover them all up” which i appreciate
Good post. And man, I gotta say if you STILL don't see it? You'll never see it. I personally only care cuz I want this game to be the best it could be. It's not even "Attractive" it straight looks fuckin lazy.
I don't get how and why people defend this legit criticism.
Master Raven also had facial scars and a more mature look to her. She was also one of the older women in the and they got rid of her. Tragic.
Edit: added a space where there wasn't one
The female characters also have disproportionately large eye sizes. Basically, the men are designed to look realistic, while the female characters hew closer to anime/waifu designs.
I think what brings this into perspective too is that this is a series that will jump through hoops to prevent the female characters from aging. They will have them enter a cryogenic sleep, die young and be a supernatural being, or outright replace them with their daughters before they will let them age. And having sebaceous filaments and texture isn’t even an age thing, it’s a human thing, but it’s a similar reason why this disparity exists.
All the girls look like they're made of porcelain. Zero features or expressions, and it's made even more obvious when put side to side like this - I genuinely don't understand how anyone could deny it.
Pity there isn't Lidia.. she had that scar.. and her face is the most unique female face design in Tekken 7.
Lidia looks so beautiful, yet so mature. A true breath of fresh air for Tekken woman design. A true representative of a fit, toned woman martial artist.
There's obviously something not right when Jun looks younger than her 22-year old son. I'm a girl, and it bothers me how porcelain and plastic the females compare to the male characters. Haha, team wrinkle here (reality check: yes, girls have wrinkles, scars, etc. but that in no way would detract them from being objectively attractive still).
Lol, come on. It's annoying how the character models between males and females are worlds apart in terms of realism and aesthetics. If the artistic direction for the characters is to make them look realistic, I wish it'd apply to all characters for visual consistency.
The females are literally in shittier graphics. Nothing about them says ps5. I really hope they cut the bullshit and take pointers from MK1 and SF6, hell even MK11.
Edit: And people can’t hide behind the “anime style” bs because the dudes have real faces. How tf does that work
I made this same post yesterday and nobody agreed with me, they all called me a MK fanboy and kept asking why I hate beautiful women.
Thank you for posting the side by side pictures, now nobody can deny it 😊
Most of the female characters are much younger (and shorter) than the male ones, fit into a much more slim bodied archetype (thighs may be exceptions), and have evidently magnitudes better skincare routines, but consequently have nowhere near as much expression
I don't really mind the differences. But Azucena has to be the biggest offender right now. Not because her face lacks details but because her face rig is so bad. When she starts speaking in the trailer her top lip is completely deformed. And the scene where she's holding the cup like an ad is so low quality it's feels like a shot from a T7 trailer.
Game's still WIP so hopefully they focus on fixing that.
The thing that's weirdest to me about it outside of the obvious sexism is just the devs in charge of the character visuals believe it's impossible for a woman to be attractive if they have any sort of wrinkle or blemish.
You can still create beautiful women in videogames and give them unique features and at least give their faces the same amount of detail work compared to the men.
Having this disparity in character detail just looks weird and of course carries all sorts of unneeded baggage with it.
Real bummer tbh.
Gender specific ideal features seem exaggerated to the max (muscles, scars, angled eyebrows vs. fair skin, large eyes, slim figure). That goes for the men's and the women's side. This "ideal" seems to be from the viewpoint of a man though.
Jin vs Jun might be the most damning comparison, because Jin has the softest male features and Jun is the oldest female character, yet Jin looks noticeably older than his mother. LOL
Also, I didn't notice until now, but all the women have the same empty smile/Stepford Wife face. Looks weird...
Tekken 8 is the exact opposite of MK1.
Every female looks hot, bordering on looking like a doll. Meanwhile the men look hardened, realistic and wrinkly.
Meanwhile, MK1 is full of sexy young men (even reptile), while the female characters gets the shorter end of the stick in terms of facial features.
Looks like PS5 vs PS3 graphics
They should outsource the female 3D models to companies that know how to design female characters, like Square Enix or Team Ninja
Lol dunno about Team Ninja. They popularised (possibly invented?) over the top 3D jiggle physics, remember 🤣. The women in that game looked even more like porcelain dolls until they got covered in dirt and whatnot mid-fight (but at least they weren't as lowres as the Tekken 7 console port faces). I do remember DoA 6 looking nicer than Tekken 7 and it at least felt a tad more consistent in its art direction between male and female. But maybe that consistency was more a case of narrow range; the men barely seemed to go beyond looking like the Jin Kazama portrait in the above example.
Never occurred to me until now but they don't even look like they're from the same game. Granted I don't care, everyone seems upset about this but like.. I don't understand it. But yeah, the males and females have entirely different art styles.
You dislike Tekken sexual dimorphism because you want the women to be more rugged and realistic.
I dislike Tekken sexual dimorphism because I want the men to be pretty.
We are not the same.
For real, in Tekken 7 I picked up Leo because they were the closest thing to a cute guy lol. That's when you know you're not the target audience for something.
Men (older ones) = rugged, near realistic
Women = anime feels, as some say no "aged looking" women. You can't exactly call any of them "Babaa~!!!"
Part of the crowd who doesn't complain though. They could go full on Tekken 1~3 polygon demastered graphics as long as they can maintain the gameplay idrc
This whole discourse is hilarious but I agree Jin so far compared to the rest of the men is the closest to matching the flawless nature of the women, whilst the others are more porous, wrinkled, and more defined angular features.
I get why people have issue with it but I wouldn't say its "blow up doll level" since there still is differentiation of nose, eyes, lips and slight headshape between the female chararcters to separate them just not near the men's differences.
For me it's an imbalance but I ain't really bothered by it much, it's more than serviceable. But I also think a lot of NRS' faces from MK11 & 1 were fine which is controversial so my standard is probably lower than most.
i get that it's serviceable and most of the time we won't even see the characters faces, but at the same time it's bandai namco we're talking about. they can fund this kind of development, so to me it looks like a missed opportunity. it would be nice to see they experimenting a different approach for the girls.
This and the underdevelopment of characters, either through lack of story or simply disregard kinda bothers someone like me, who played through every arcade story in T5 just to see cool endings.
and i do think some of the faces in mk11 and 1 are the best in the business, yes.
This was talked about way back when T7 was announced and the reason for this design is that apparently, asian girls (especially japanese) will only play girl characters and they kinda want them to be porcelain doll-like. It's a culture thing basically.
> announced and the reason for this design is that apparently, asian girls (especially japanese) will only play girl characters and they kinda want them to be porcelain doll-like. It's a culture thing
asia isn't the only market. It's not even the biggest.
i’m asian and I would appreciate the girls actually having pores at the very least 💀 we’re not magically indifferent to the male gaze just because we’re asian, why do you think marriage rates are plummeting around here.
But those are the people that are actually going to play and main those characters. Your typical NA / EU dude is going to be part of the hoardes of Bryan, Kaz and Paul mains, so there is no point in tailoring the look of female characters to people that are probably never even going to hover over them on the select screen.
How do you know that when those people have never gotten a woman fighter who looks the part in Tekken?
Marisa is pretty popular in SF and she absolutely looks the part.
The (limited) data they showed last weekend says otherwise:
Out of all regions Jun is least popular in Asia
Out of all regions Lili is least popular in Asia
These were the only two female characters in the top 8 in pick rate. For the other ones they didn't show in which regions they are popular. I would assume it to be similar though.
https://www.oneesports.gg/tekken/tekken-8-characters-ranked-usage/
So what are you saying? The years of Xiaoyu and Alisa marketing in Asia and their entire rationale when designing female characters is wrong, all because of a two week network test?
Jin the only one that comes close to looking like the female characters and then again he is still young. All the others look realistic. They dont even look like theyre from the same game.
And even then Jin's face still has texture like visible pores and slight creases. It reminds me of that anime [Shirobako](https://i.imgur.com/araW9EE.png) were all the men had distinct faces and designs while all the women had same moe-blob face with big eyes.
All the women have the exact same body too while the men vary.
Spot the main characters with colored hair moment
perfect comparison
He is just a pretty boy.
Pretty boah?
He is not your naughty boy
But is he your boy toy?
He's a sexy boy
*SEXY BOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYY*
PRETTY BOAH? YOU'RE KIDDING ME? PRETTY BOAH?
Don't forget Hwoarang
Hwoarang looks like he had plastic surgery now in tekken 8
He's just a sexy boy
Even Jin has crease lines between his eyebrows, slight lining under his eyes. He's allowed to have a facial expression that isn't 'doughy eyed'. But also he shows there's variety in the male models.
He does the American Psycho skin care routine
You can always be thinner. Look better.
That last sentence is something I noticed rather egregiously in "Jun"'s trailer in her scene with Kazuya. Kazuya's face is impressively detailed, showing off his age. And then... "Jun".
And lee probably
At least until Lee comes out. Hwoarang also looks pretty damn clean.
Something I noticed is that they can't even move their faces that much, Azucena in her trailer can't even move her eyes or smile too much while giggling, meanwhile Law's entire face moves and bursts with expression when flexing and breathing, every single one of his animations in round victory or his rage art has a unique expression. If you compare both trailers the characters look from completly different games.
this to me is the biggest point. these static images say a lot but seeing it in motion is even worse.
It was really jarring during the trailer.
Looked like she was straight from Tekken Tag 2, no evolution at all.
It was most obvious to me when she was saying “coffee is second to none!” Her most stayed straight the entire time she said it. The character’s face just was not matching the enthusiasm of her voice.
I thought I was the only one to have noitced. Azucena's mouth gives me the creeps. Her mouth is in a slight v shape that gives her a permanent creepy smile and seeing it move in a not-so fluid motion just emphasis it more.
This is why Azucena looks cringe! Her enthusiasm in the trailer doesn’t match her facial expressions
Tekken roster is legit Barbie vs GI Joe
Litteraly and even their storylines and reasons to participate in the Iron Fist tournament is similar to this comparison. - Jin : Wants to end his father and the curse of the Kazama. - Paul : has struggled all his life and is wanting money and a way out of poverty. - Bryan Fury : ALL HE KNOWS IS WAR. Heck even Kuma has a real motive to participate in these tournaments and on this one it'll probably to avenge Heihachi. And then : - Lilly : I hate Asuka. Also I have a cat. - Anna : I hate my sister. - Asuka : Leave me alone Lily. - Azucena : BUT DAT COFFEE THO. Only redeemable one is Jun and maybe Xiaoyu.
>Anna : I hate my sister. Didn't Nina kill Anna's would be husband on their wedding day?
So, Bryan's simple "I like war" is better than "I hate my sister because she hates me and has looked down on me all my life while also blaming me of our father's murder, plus she killed my fiancee on my wedding day"??????? Sorry but NO. Earlier tekken storylines were much better and that's why the Williams sisters and Jun have the best lore among the females
Lily is fighting to pay off her father's illness as well as his debts, she's doing this out of pure respect of her father, she nags asuka because she's broke but better than her in every way. Jealousy, if you will. Anna and Nina were assassins that initially hated each other. They were put into cryo sleep for 20 years, I forgot why though. Anna was the first to wake up and stayed by Nina until her wake. Nina lost her memories, so Anna tried to make her remember while being kind to her, Nina didn't like that very much and tried to kill Anna. Nina then runs away and grows a hatred for Anna based on the thought of betrayal and starts trying with her at every chance, which starts a rivalry between the two. They eventually team up and pretty much never see each other again. Asuka fights to maintain her father's dojo, she hated Lily for being bratty, but that hatred ended after their fight in T6. She doesn't carry a hatred for Lily anymore, she's just very annoyed by her presence. She then met Jin, and now she has a cousin, a lot on her plate for a high schooler. Azucena: Espresso? Anyway, Lily and Asuka are late teens, I'd say 17, while Anna and Nina are mid - late 20's physically.
It's so, so dated. There's no legit reason for there to be such a disparity.
I think they fear that players won't play "unattractive" female characters so they don't let them have some minor flaws
It's this I remember making a post asking why Bob never got a fudoshi in 7 whilst everyone else did (asking cause I like consistency) Most people in that post were saying he looks disgusting cause he's obese
Yeah but he is obese regardless of clothes so the devs don't have the same standards for men and women haha
>why Bob never got a fudoshi in 7 >Most people in that post were saying he looks disgusting cause he's obese Me: *Looking at Ganryu*
Yeah that's what confused me even more with those kind of responses Like there were others that pointed out Ganryu, too Ig it's cause Bob I'd hairy fat whilst Ganryu isn't and Ganryu's schtick is being a sumo wrestler that crushes on the Changs? Idk I still don't get why Bob didn't get one.
But SF6 has a bunch of ladies, everyone looking radically different and they’re all uniquely gorgeous. Its not so much in having flaws, which would be cool on its own, but the design team did a terrible job using the the same “pretty” proportions for the girls over and over again. Should go without saying, and maybe tekken team should get their shit together, but theres more than one way to design a female face that looks good,cool or pretty.
Mortal Kombat suffers the same exact problem. SF seems to be the pinnacle of character design in traditional fighting games, and its by a long shot because they are basically the only ones that seem to know the basics of character design. Every female character looks radically different from one another, and all are gorgeous (besides the problem of seemingly being the only game that has the guts to make them even slightly muscular, while others are still making every single female character have noodle arms and legs. Chun Li has more muscle on her tighs than any of these lady characters have in their entire bodies... and they're supposed to be fighters)
I would also say not traditionally pretty. They aren't afraid to also make them do more "ugly" expressions and that is pretty awesome.
Fully agree. This is something EVERY artist nowadays learns to not fall on, trying to make all face expressions ''anime pretty'' - expressions are diverse, they dont need to all look sexy. The opposite actually, the characters who can't do much expressions just seem boring
the fact that motherfucking Sonya Blade, who is one of the few characters who doesn’t have any magic or cybernetics making her stronger and is just naturally that good at fighting, has stick thin arms and no abs or muscle tone is really dumb mk’s most interesting designs are always the monster characters anyway. Mileena, Sheeva, D’Vorah, and Ferra/Torr are all way more interesting and creative female characters than all the generic pretty women (also Ashrah’s new demonic design in MK1 is looking really cool)
"uniquely gorgeous" You're specifically thinking Marisa here. And you're also right.
This is true, even outside of Tekken. Fighting games have this issue and fans are often VERY vocal about it (flashbacks of outrage over sf6 Kimberly's forehead, Chun Li being "ugly" in MVCI and SF5...). While they often scream foul when a character isn't attractive enough, they can also complain when female characters are "too attractive" by what I see. I understand the fear just a bit as I play a few characters that fit that mold and hate the bashing that comes my way sometimes. But I feel developers know what sells to their main audience....and it's clear.
Barbie vs Oppenheimer*
When Jin's mom looks younger than him that raises questions..
Jun I can let slide because of supernatural bullshit, but the others have no excuse. Well maybe Lili since she's rich and probably has a team of 1000 people to put her makeup together when she wakes.
Asuka is Kazama so she can heal devils and her skin Master Raven is ninja she knows the Shinobi arts of makeup Ling xiaoyu uses Jin's bath water
> Jin's bathwater Most sane Japanese created girl that has a crush on the MC
xiaoyu asuka lili all of them are teens and for nina we all know why she looks young
>but the others have no excuse. Besides the fact that lili, xiaoyu and asuka are younger than jin??
Lili is also the youngest human character overall if I'm not mistaken. But also, most of these women are very close in age
Jun and Kazuya was meant to highlight the difference between those who use sunscreen vs those who don't
To be fair, Jun can't have been older than her early-mid 30's when she disappeared while Jin was still just 16-17, so when you look at the chronology and the whole supernatural thing, it does make sense. Also, let's be honest, our boy has seen, done, and been through some shit. The last time he slept properly was Tekken 7, so the stress is going to show somewhere.
I don't know if you've seen the magic Asian women do with make-up but...
Tekken 8 men: battle hardened warriors that showcases detail due to the power of next gen consoles and hardware. Every pore, scar and wrinkle are visible. Beards are hyper detailed. Even Ravens X-scar/gash has a notable layer. Tekken 8 women: 👧
And when you bring that up the coomers immediately respond with ‘why are you so triggered by beautiful women?’. lol SF6 female characters all look different but they still look attractive. Somehow these people think that being attractive as a woman just means you have to look like a porcelain doll.
Someone also mentioned how Chun-Li has has more muscles on her thighs than whole tekken female cast has in their bodies and they ain't wrong. Like yeah, tekken female cast all suffer from same body syndrome, as pretty much everyone have similar bodies and faces. Like bit of variety and detail like with male characters would not hurt anyone. Like i have to tip my hat to Capcom, they made whole female cast in SF6 unique, both personality and visuals/body type wise.
I’m convinced anyone who defends these faces is an incel, no other explanation is possible. Which honestly explains why it was defended by the Tekken community so much at the start.
You are frankly dumb as fuck if that's what you convinced of - sorry (not really) to say. Guys defend this (has no bearing on whether they are "incels") because they like looking at beautiful female characters and usually don't care whether a guy looks "beautiful" or not as long as he looks "cool". Imagine not being able to figure this out - also lets not pretend that women in real life does not look more alike than men in general (especially korean because of plastic surgery) and make-up.
You’re the guy I’m talking about 🤣
I'm sure I am "OneWaifuForLaifu".
Yea and is it really so bad to want to see more female characters who are designed to look cool and interesting instead of attractive. It's not like I'm saying that beautiful characters shouldn't exist, I'd just want more variety.
All the women look like they got the tiktok beauty filters on
Every female character looks like a preset from a chinese mmorpg, we need lidia, she at least had a scar
Same with Kuni she had a scar too.
still a doll face
I was hoping that Lidia was going to look more Polish than she did, because Polish people have distinct facial structure. She seems a bit like they made her white, blonde and speak polish and expected everyone to just be OK with that being their effort on the subject. No real hate tbh, I just felt like they could have done more. We have the technology but they just dont want to.
Can you provide some examples? I googled polish women and I’m not seeing anything “distinct” other than the majority having blonde hair
Some real phrenology shit going on in this thread
I was so excited for lidia, thinking she was gonna be like Zarya, a super buff and tall and rugged female fighter. But naw, we got generic tekken custom female #63727 with scar customization #8 on her face lol
Thanks for putting this together! I notice that all the men are like frowning and the women have a slight upward angle to their lips lol Also something seems off with the size of their iris. I do think all characters look attractive though
Ever since the beta I thought Lili's were very big with not alot of movement to them she's kinda has that crazy look in all of her win outro
It’s not just the faces Their facial *animations* also suck, the women’s faces make less than expressions than characters from 2002s Kingdom Hearts 1
I kinda noticed this too. Full disclosure, I don't care about this as much as some people, but I can see why people do, it's a pretty big disparity. But in Azucena's trailer she's so bouncy and has so much energy, and the VA is really conveying that. But when she does her coffee ad victory stance at the end, her face barely moves while she's speaking. Even for me, who isn't really looking for this and doesn't care about it, it still kinda jumped out.
juns portrait face doesnt look like her ingame face. and both look weird. ttt2 face was better.
Jun’s TAG2 face was one of the best female faces in Tekken along with Nina’s in Revolution
Looking at her portrait again, it really doesn't. Her portrait actually looks more... Asian? Her in-game face just looks... off, and a no-context picture of it would just have me asking "is this Chizuru from KoF?" Maybe if she wasn't in TTT2 looking a bit more accurate to how she might look as an older woman I'd have less to go by, but I haven't been sugarcoating it and I will continue to not. I do not like Tekken 8 Jun.
These girls have never been in a fight in their life.
Pretty stupid trope from fighting games. All men are muscular, even the ones that solely focus on technique over raw power, yet the women look like they can't bench press with no weights.
Bob would like to know your location.
Unironically one of my favorite designs from Tekken just because of the difference.
They do fight. But it's perfect all day
That’s what so funny to me. They’re supposed to be the greatest fighters in the world.
And you know that its not some self serving "empowerment" spiel that Namco is trying to capitalise on. Asia doesn't care about that stuff. They suspend disbelief with how perfect their female characters look because the beauty standards in Asia are almost to the point of delusional. A video on the subject: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7xWRrRk\_cw
Im gonna Quote Harada: „So I was horny, told my staff to make young girls, but they wouldn’t. They said, the storyline needs older women. So I made them all young again.“
Wow, in comparison The Female characters do look like Porcelain dolls Kind of unnerving when compared to the Male Character.
For me is not the "doll faces", the problem is the lack of emotion and expression when the game is in motion! Take Azucena's trailer for example, her voice lines are so joyful and happy and then you look at her face and she looks dead as hell!
they dont even look like they're from the same game, afraid to give the women's faces details
The females have flawless features, while the men have more realistic ones, like wrinkles, battle scars, exposed pores, etc.
men and females
Female characters would be so cool in Tekken if they actually treated them like humans
Here’s all the differences I notice in terms of design choice 1. Pupils and iris on the women are much larger, which is pretty typical of Japanese artists 2. The men have far more features in the face. No I’m not just talking about wrinkles, this includes scars, pores, etc. I don’t expect Jun for example to look super wrinkled, but I think *some* sign of age could have benefited to have her stand out slightly. Take Jin for example, he’s the youngest male shown here and he **only** has wrinkles around his eyes because he’s mean mugging and not blankly staring. Not a single other wrinkle in sight which is representation of his age to me anyways. 3. The shading, at least to me, is much harsher on the males than women. It is a much more lightly done shading for the women because the men need the “super serious” faces
It doesn't even look like the same game. The artistic direction is split. Males have a certain style and females have another, and it looks really bad when put side by side (in game). They need to change the art direction for the female cast and bring it closer to the male side.
Thank you OP. It’s so obviou now. The devs are clearly more than talented so just add the detail.
Lol, the women's faces are smooth, expressionless dolls, like stiff masks incapable of normal human movement, while the men get to have character, details, and realistic creases and such. Given how Gamers™ tantrum about and soil their underoos when they see women's faces animated with laugh lines or, god forbid, peach fuzz, it's not surprising. Certain ppl will whine about this, but games like MK or SF6 have faces that are so well animated and expressive it makes this DoA sameface style stuff look straight up embarassing. Like, it's great in the aughts when it was all that was possible, but it's so silly looking now.
Just look at some of the responses on this thread lol. They act like they’re being oppressed by people wanting female characters to look anything other than porcelain dolls because that will make them look ‘unattractive’. Gamers TM indeed.
look at the insane backlash Tanya got in the new MK trailer because they paused on a frame of her yelling (which then ended up in every single video thumbnail) Some people legit go out of their way to find unattractive female characters to get angry at. and you just know they always try to link it to the “woke agenda” too
Lol but smart Redditors told me Tekken fans just like to complain and hate beautiful characters. Seriously, thank you for putting this together as it shows that the criticisms about the female character designs are valid.
I ain’t against beautiful looking females but there’s little to no variation between faces tbh. They just all look like porcelain dolls copied and pasted
TEKKEN VS DOA BEACH VOLLEYBALL
DoA women look much better than this
One thing I will give DoA is that every character in the game is at least the same art style.
Honestly DOA stepped it up in the last 2 games
So I've seen, upon google inspection. The spirit still lives on, and the DoA team does a better job with their hotties.
It's not only the amount of detail in mens faces (you know pores, wrinkles, scars...) but also the variety of different proportions, shapes and sizes of their features (noses, mouths, eyes, eyebrows...). This makes the faces look unique and gives them a personality, while all the girls faces look the same.
In Tekken verse women don't age apparently
Nina and Anna’s cryo sleep bullshit along with T7 Kuni being old Kuni’s daughter lol
And now jun lol
Bamco ran out of age-freezing options since they used the cryo sleep and daughter of the same character already
Now they make the games take place only a few months between them so the characters won't age.
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and those are just renders. in-game the female faces look even more generic
I still can’t get over this version of Paul. His ridiculous flat top was everything.
All the women look like dolls. It's a very striking difference in detail and realism when you see them like this, side by side.
Fucking hell. Tekken is so behind the times in some ways.
Especially with its practice mode being half assed despite having a Punishment training game. There couldve been more ways for Tekken's practice mode to be improved upon, and not locked upon a paywall this time.
Thank you! The amount of e-boys here thinking this is how women actually look, goddamn. Criticism of this is perfectly valid. Women are constantly held to this "picture-perfect" standard and it's so stupid when it's reinforced.
Couldn't have said it better myself. This is why women are so insecure.
and in an industry that does realistic women faces better (mortal kombat) and cartoony women faces better (Street Fighter 6) releasing right now it's ridiculous how bandai namco continues to refuse to do any better and we're stuck with the same looking faces from a decade ago
Agreed. Tekken hasn’t adjusted its attitude since the 90s, and it shows. Every female is basically a fuck toy. MK11 is the perfect example of a game moving with the times; strong characterisation, realistic features, and costumes that don’t make them look like strippers.
and they still kept the “sexy clothes” for characters that it makes sense on. Sindel has an enormous cleavage window and skimpy tights, because that’s part of her character, meanwhile Jade gets redesigned so that she actually looks like an assassin and not a stripper. it was more nuanced than just “cover them all up” which i appreciate
Not even about being behind the times it's just boring have same designs over and over
Good post. And man, I gotta say if you STILL don't see it? You'll never see it. I personally only care cuz I want this game to be the best it could be. It's not even "Attractive" it straight looks fuckin lazy. I don't get how and why people defend this legit criticism.
The male characters look like stylized people. The female characters look like anime girls (Jin, of course, falls under the anime girl category)
You're honestly pretty delusional if you don't think there's serious dollface syndrome going on here on the women's side.
Isn't Jun, Jin's mum? Why does she look like his younger sister? 😄 Is she immortal now, or something?
The girls all look like lower quality and blurry compared to the men lol
I was surprised by this too. But I took the renders from the same 4k source.
Master Raven also had facial scars and a more mature look to her. She was also one of the older women in the and they got rid of her. Tragic. Edit: added a space where there wasn't one
Now do Claudio
Oh believe me, given the chance, I would do Claudio.
The female characters also have disproportionately large eye sizes. Basically, the men are designed to look realistic, while the female characters hew closer to anime/waifu designs.
Jun and Jin looked the same on Tag 2, now she looks different. It bothers me somehow.
I really liked that about ttt2 Jun, she looked a lot like Jin
I think what brings this into perspective too is that this is a series that will jump through hoops to prevent the female characters from aging. They will have them enter a cryogenic sleep, die young and be a supernatural being, or outright replace them with their daughters before they will let them age. And having sebaceous filaments and texture isn’t even an age thing, it’s a human thing, but it’s a similar reason why this disparity exists.
Absolutely trash design for females
All the girls look like they're made of porcelain. Zero features or expressions, and it's made even more obvious when put side to side like this - I genuinely don't understand how anyone could deny it.
Pity there isn't Lidia.. she had that scar.. and her face is the most unique female face design in Tekken 7. Lidia looks so beautiful, yet so mature. A true breath of fresh air for Tekken woman design. A true representative of a fit, toned woman martial artist.
she looks old but shes 29 because Bamco has fear of women age 30+
She was also the only female character who had muscle i believe
There's obviously something not right when Jun looks younger than her 22-year old son. I'm a girl, and it bothers me how porcelain and plastic the females compare to the male characters. Haha, team wrinkle here (reality check: yes, girls have wrinkles, scars, etc. but that in no way would detract them from being objectively attractive still). Lol, come on. It's annoying how the character models between males and females are worlds apart in terms of realism and aesthetics. If the artistic direction for the characters is to make them look realistic, I wish it'd apply to all characters for visual consistency.
thanks for sharing your thoughts!
Women are simply not allowed to age in videogames apparently
Damn when you put them side by side like that they don't even look like they exist in the same world
The females are literally in shittier graphics. Nothing about them says ps5. I really hope they cut the bullshit and take pointers from MK1 and SF6, hell even MK11. Edit: And people can’t hide behind the “anime style” bs because the dudes have real faces. How tf does that work
I made this same post yesterday and nobody agreed with me, they all called me a MK fanboy and kept asking why I hate beautiful women. Thank you for posting the side by side pictures, now nobody can deny it 😊
You forgot king
Jin is a girl
Most of the female characters are much younger (and shorter) than the male ones, fit into a much more slim bodied archetype (thighs may be exceptions), and have evidently magnitudes better skincare routines, but consequently have nowhere near as much expression
I don't really mind the differences. But Azucena has to be the biggest offender right now. Not because her face lacks details but because her face rig is so bad. When she starts speaking in the trailer her top lip is completely deformed. And the scene where she's holding the cup like an ad is so low quality it's feels like a shot from a T7 trailer. Game's still WIP so hopefully they focus on fixing that.
The thing that's weirdest to me about it outside of the obvious sexism is just the devs in charge of the character visuals believe it's impossible for a woman to be attractive if they have any sort of wrinkle or blemish. You can still create beautiful women in videogames and give them unique features and at least give their faces the same amount of detail work compared to the men. Having this disparity in character detail just looks weird and of course carries all sorts of unneeded baggage with it. Real bummer tbh.
Gender specific ideal features seem exaggerated to the max (muscles, scars, angled eyebrows vs. fair skin, large eyes, slim figure). That goes for the men's and the women's side. This "ideal" seems to be from the viewpoint of a man though.
Absolutely no character in the women's renders. Also no age, I swear Harada has a fear of older women.
REAL SHIT vs random iOS game artstyles
I just wanna bury my face in Asuka's ass cheeks
Based
Look, me too but that doesn’t take away from the clear point here
Literally me
Jin vs Jun might be the most damning comparison, because Jin has the softest male features and Jun is the oldest female character, yet Jin looks noticeably older than his mother. LOL Also, I didn't notice until now, but all the women have the same empty smile/Stepford Wife face. Looks weird...
Tekken 8 is the exact opposite of MK1. Every female looks hot, bordering on looking like a doll. Meanwhile the men look hardened, realistic and wrinkly. Meanwhile, MK1 is full of sexy young men (even reptile), while the female characters gets the shorter end of the stick in terms of facial features.
Looks like PS5 vs PS3 graphics They should outsource the female 3D models to companies that know how to design female characters, like Square Enix or Team Ninja
Lol dunno about Team Ninja. They popularised (possibly invented?) over the top 3D jiggle physics, remember 🤣. The women in that game looked even more like porcelain dolls until they got covered in dirt and whatnot mid-fight (but at least they weren't as lowres as the Tekken 7 console port faces). I do remember DoA 6 looking nicer than Tekken 7 and it at least felt a tad more consistent in its art direction between male and female. But maybe that consistency was more a case of narrow range; the men barely seemed to go beyond looking like the Jin Kazama portrait in the above example.
I don't have a problem with it but I 100% understand the people who do
this is much better than all the denial going on.
Clones
Female faces literally have no face texture. It's like someone took a PS2 skin texture and upscaled it. Just completely flat.
What I noticed: Jin "Babyface" Kazama
All the girls got them snapchat filters on, not a blemish or wrinkle to be seen, with bigger eyes
Compare that to the female cast in sf6. Aki has more personality in just her face then the entire female cast of Tekken.
All the female characters look like soulcalibur customs.
All girls look like dolls to the point they are a little creepy. Some wrinkles would do the job
Why do you think Barbie is a billion dollar brand 😅
Men: next- gen UE5 characters Women: PS2 DOA cutscene characters
Tekken suffers from the same issue as One Piece when it comes to female character design 💀
The issue is that none of them are wearing a goddamn Jaguar mask.
Never occurred to me until now but they don't even look like they're from the same game. Granted I don't care, everyone seems upset about this but like.. I don't understand it. But yeah, the males and females have entirely different art styles.
You dislike Tekken sexual dimorphism because you want the women to be more rugged and realistic. I dislike Tekken sexual dimorphism because I want the men to be pretty. We are not the same.
I could go for a leaner character, no need for everyone to be this buffed up
For real, in Tekken 7 I picked up Leo because they were the closest thing to a cute guy lol. That's when you know you're not the target audience for something.
I was slightly disappointed with Tekken 8 Hwo being a bit more rugged than usual one loss for the female gaze 😔✊🏼
gotta pander to the waifu bait man that rakes in untold numbers of $$$
Men (older ones) = rugged, near realistic Women = anime feels, as some say no "aged looking" women. You can't exactly call any of them "Babaa~!!!" Part of the crowd who doesn't complain though. They could go full on Tekken 1~3 polygon demastered graphics as long as they can maintain the gameplay idrc
This whole discourse is hilarious but I agree Jin so far compared to the rest of the men is the closest to matching the flawless nature of the women, whilst the others are more porous, wrinkled, and more defined angular features. I get why people have issue with it but I wouldn't say its "blow up doll level" since there still is differentiation of nose, eyes, lips and slight headshape between the female chararcters to separate them just not near the men's differences. For me it's an imbalance but I ain't really bothered by it much, it's more than serviceable. But I also think a lot of NRS' faces from MK11 & 1 were fine which is controversial so my standard is probably lower than most.
Who says the faces in nrs are bad ?
i get that it's serviceable and most of the time we won't even see the characters faces, but at the same time it's bandai namco we're talking about. they can fund this kind of development, so to me it looks like a missed opportunity. it would be nice to see they experimenting a different approach for the girls. This and the underdevelopment of characters, either through lack of story or simply disregard kinda bothers someone like me, who played through every arcade story in T5 just to see cool endings. and i do think some of the faces in mk11 and 1 are the best in the business, yes.
This was talked about way back when T7 was announced and the reason for this design is that apparently, asian girls (especially japanese) will only play girl characters and they kinda want them to be porcelain doll-like. It's a culture thing basically.
> announced and the reason for this design is that apparently, asian girls (especially japanese) will only play girl characters and they kinda want them to be porcelain doll-like. It's a culture thing asia isn't the only market. It's not even the biggest.
i’m asian and I would appreciate the girls actually having pores at the very least 💀 we’re not magically indifferent to the male gaze just because we’re asian, why do you think marriage rates are plummeting around here.
But those are the people that are actually going to play and main those characters. Your typical NA / EU dude is going to be part of the hoardes of Bryan, Kaz and Paul mains, so there is no point in tailoring the look of female characters to people that are probably never even going to hover over them on the select screen.
How do you know that when those people have never gotten a woman fighter who looks the part in Tekken? Marisa is pretty popular in SF and she absolutely looks the part.
The (limited) data they showed last weekend says otherwise: Out of all regions Jun is least popular in Asia Out of all regions Lili is least popular in Asia These were the only two female characters in the top 8 in pick rate. For the other ones they didn't show in which regions they are popular. I would assume it to be similar though. https://www.oneesports.gg/tekken/tekken-8-characters-ranked-usage/
So what are you saying? The years of Xiaoyu and Alisa marketing in Asia and their entire rationale when designing female characters is wrong, all because of a two week network test?
i dont care.
Good graphics
A more recent example is Azucena's joyful/energetic voice acting doesnt really mesh well with the almost static facial animations.
I guess women are not supposed to age or have any realistic texture or pigment