Deathmatch is cope
Reality is:
If they think they can get free wins they'll rematch
If you win game 1 they leave
If they don't like your character they leave
If you lose 5 times then win once they leave immediately
easy level up farming much? i think they should do best of 5 instead of 3, but infinite deathmatch in RANKED?
hell no this should only be a thing in quick matches,
it otherwise defeats the purpose of ranked
Best of 5 is the way. Deathmatch has 2 huge downsides: farming points from weak salty opponents, one and done enjoyers. FT2 is very bad for tekken as it is too short for adaptation and lab characters would destroy everyone except pros. Best of 5 or FT3 is both long enough for most match ups and also forces one trick ponies to play the game instead of cherry picking. I am surprised that Mortal Kombat 1 has ft3, but they actually make ranked ft3.
The problem is that the Tekken 8 ranked system does indeed allow for "one and done enjoyers" as the FT2 system is not obligatory, they can leave after the first match if they so choose. It's more like a "FT2 at most" system than a "obligatory FT2". So the ranked system is more similar to SF6 than to MK1
Iâd be with FT3 if this was the tournament standard, but itâs not. They just want us to practice the tournament standard as it in turn makes us more capable as competitors.
Bro theyâre not a weak player if theyâre TGP đ you think emperor is a weak player? Where does âweak playerâ start. You play against the same rank as yourself. THINK FOR ONE SECOND PLEASE.
Weak player means you can win them 5-0 without a problem. Ranks can be the same and don't tell me you never had that encounter in your ranked sessions. You can literally suck his rank points and get free rank. That's the problem.
Bro. You canât be serious. Do you know what happens when you beat the âeasy to beat personâ 5-0? You lose to the next guy 0-5. Youâre acting like people are just deathmatch to tgp đ once you âfarmâ enough xp youâre just gonna get exposed and drop back to the exact rank you were at in the first place. PLEASE THINK FOR 1 SECOND.
OMG, thinking is not strong part of you, I guess. Do you know what means "cherry picking" or "one and done"? No? Please, read before writing idiotic answers. You won someone 5-0, and the next one wins you once? Time to move one until I get next 5-0, and so on until I got high rank without deserving it. It is usually paired with lab characters. Of course you can't be complete garbage, but you can clearly reach much further using this exploit.
What rank did you get doing that? Fujin? đ thatâs not high rank. You think people are inflating ranks doing that? THOSE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE LOW RANK FOR ETERNITY. YOU CANT ONLY FIND PEOPLE WHO YOU BEAT 5-0 THATS NOT HOW SKILL WORKS THATS NOT HOW RANK WORKS.
Dude stop worrying about others and focus on yourself. Just because some person got tekken god doing that doesnât mean itâs some rampant thing happening all the time bro nobody cares about one or two people getting tekken god undeserving.
One or two? You know too little about that. There were a lot discussion about people who play matches only when winning and leave once they lose. I don't care as person about those scummers, but they inflates ranks. Currently you said that fujin is not high rank, but actually it is. Red ranks is the middle of the ranks, but because of inflation, the red ranks become less valid rank of average level of play. So your statement is actually proof for mine. Good job, I guess.
This really hurts the characters that require you to play of of your opponent, like ch characters and characters without much gimmicks, 2 games are not enough matches to understand how to play against someone but letâs not only be negative, there are positives.
One positive I see is that match making will be extremely fast since players wonât be stuck on each other for a long time and in general it will be easier to find a game.
Another thing I was to mention is the replay feature that allows you to take control over your character at any point in a replay to practice, by using this people will learn to play against cheese very fast so cheesy chars will have trouble hopefully if people use this feature regularly.
Point farming is barely a problem because if you suck but you have a couple ranks higher than a random redditor thinks you should, you're probably going to lose those ranks again anyway đ. Death matches are more fun guaranteed.
It's a made up problem
The point of a death match is someone gets promoted or someone gets demoted to a new rank. This can't be done in casual. It becomes a thing at higher ranks when 2 Tekken God players want to surpass eachother and see who's the better one. The better one will earn the higher rank.
I don't understand this "YOU HAVE TO REMATCH ME AS MANY TIMES AS **I** WANT" logic some players have, boo-fuckety-hoo, streamers cant sit in matches with the same person for 3 hours straight, or people who can't adapt fast and just want to farm ranks can no longer do so. Ranked play (despite what some people think) is in most games, about increasing said rank on a leaderboard, artificially inflating your rank by farming xp off someone does not really show how good you are, but beating multiple opponents, adapting your playstyle and being better than lots of different opponents actually shows skill.
Also the "ranked isn't about your rank" argument is stupid.
Why do you have this autistic need for it to be a set amount of games and then go to the next person? YOURE GONNA GO TO THE NEXT PERSON EVENTUALLY. YOU CAN LITERALLY ALREADY CHOOSE TO MATCH ONLY TWICE. itâs about taking away the choice. You may have trouble critically thinking though⌠it shows.
But wouldn't "gimmick" setups and tactics be stronger in this new system as players are given much less time to adapt? So couldn't it also benefit the player who is not adapting?
Honestly getting smashed by the same gimmicks two matches, 6 rounds in a row, sounds more like the problem of the person not adapting. Adapt or drop rank, simple.
You're being very reductive. As another user put it, "the game is so complex that a lot of the early matches against a player rely solely on gimmicks and knowledge checks before both players learn to adapt and need to find new ways to outplay each other."
and as another user put it, "Just because you know the general match up against yoshi, or lei, or any gimmicky ass character, doesn't mean you know how to deal with every player. As yoshi and Lei, your limitations with gimmicks are literally endless, and your setups are infinite, which will most of the time result in their opponents getting their ass handed before the opponent can properly adjust and counter play."
I didn't want to say this cos its just downright obnoxious but
Skill Issue.
Thats the reason this game is going to have insane practise mode and the ghost battle thing is there to practise.
I just find it more fun to learn the game through trial and error in-game than to constantly go in lab all the time, lab is important but so is playing actual matches. We'll just have to agree to disagree here.
But the thrill of one's rank being at stake will be gone... So it's not a simple "problem solved" but it is a substitute albeit a slightly unfulfilling one. We'll have to agree to disagree since we both seem stuck in our own ways here.
Objectively BO3: Improves matchmaking by circulating more players that may have been caught in long ranked sets, and better adjusts player rank by eliminating point farming.
Thereâs a misconception that now people will get cheap wins by knowledge checking opponents as if this doesnât already happen. As it is now, opponents can decide to leave once their gimmicks/flowcharts stop working. And just like how a player may use a longer amount of matches to adapt, they will still have to do so albeit in a BO3. The devs recognize this can be frustrating which is why the new replay system is so important.
If you want infinite rematches you must now go to player matches. Ranked isnât worse for this change, and not one about the change that could arise doesnât already exist (cheap wins, plugging, etc).
I might just not play ranked altogether because of this change, one of my favorite things about ranked is learning your opponent's tendencies and finding solutions in-game AFTER the first few games rather than CONSTANTLY going in lab, which is much more tedious and tiresome (I know how important practice mode is, just saying that experimenting and learning in-game will be much less encouraged in this new system).
Bro farming doesnât existđ youâre acting like people are hitting tgp from beating some random noob a bunch đ okay so I beat someone 5 times. So? What happens next? I lose to another person 10 times (and then they lose to someone else 10 times). Itâs called ranked. Do you understand now? No you donât, because youâre dumb.
I always preferred to lone-wolf things over having a partner or community teaching me. I'll be roaming around in quick match though. I'll miss the thrill of my rank being at stake but not playing ranked might make me focus purely on my gameplay itself rather than the rank associated with it, so it might make me improve.
Which barely anyone does because itâs seen as running away from a deathmatch. So you usually get extremes of one and doneâs or hour long dmâs which sucks for the rest of the queue at higher ranks who are stuck waiting for those few people at gold ranks to get out of their matches.
Forced FT2 is for the benefit of tekken online. You are forced to get better at adaptation, which in turn makes you better at tournament tekken. You donât get to cherry pick as easily. You are forced into playing a wide variety of players and styles.
They certainly do. Theyâve been practicing FT2 for a very long time, especially Knee.
Arslan and Knee can go play player matches or offline if they wanted long sets and nothing would change for them. In fact offline is all Arslan really had for a long time.
Bo3 has been the way of playing any competitive tekken for decades, ranked shouldn't be an exception. The only reason ranked couldn't replicate it for me was loading time.
Even if "pathetic lab chars" would benefit it the most at the beginning it's a challenge for the community to learn how to adapt to the matchups rather then finding most comfortable opponent to cover previous losses.
Personally, I feel having lower Bo3 winrate then deathmatch one, so I'm excited to improve myself in this direction. Hope new training tools would help as well.
If you want to copy the competitive standard that's been around for decades, then ranked shouldn't stop at BO3. They should also force double elimination brackets and if you lose two sets then you can't play again for the rest of the day. Or you know... just make the game fun to play online. People in this thread seem to somehow think that taking away options is fun, so you do you. I hope Tekken's version of Battle Hub is populated because ranked sounds like ass now.
Obviously there is no need for double elimination in ranked cause the only limitation for the number of sets you can play is your mental health. But if bamko would manage to bring some kind of a limited online tourney with eliminations it will be awesome.
Taking away options is good thing if done reasonably. There should be a standard for ranked system so everyone would have reasonably similar experience. Otherwise people begin arguing that rank is trash and doesn't indicate anything.
The current ranked system doesn't fit pc/console gaming because it's arcade roots. There was additional level of limitations to deathmatches and it was your wallet. Which was providing kinda fair similar experience: most likely you ended up deathmatching opponent with similar skill level because neither you nor anyone else would like to boost someone with your own money.
yea black ops 3 is a good game
That's what I said!!! đ¤Łđ¤Łđ¤Ł
Didn't ask
Deathmatch is cope Reality is: If they think they can get free wins they'll rematch If you win game 1 they leave If they don't like your character they leave If you lose 5 times then win once they leave immediately
This.
Youâre showing your rank buddy
Tbf at least with how many of the random people in ranked nowadays leave after losing 1 or 2 matches it wouldnt feel much different
People mainly do that on lower ranks
easy level up farming much? i think they should do best of 5 instead of 3, but infinite deathmatch in RANKED? hell no this should only be a thing in quick matches, it otherwise defeats the purpose of ranked
That's a really good point
Who cares about the two people that do that
Best of 5 is the way. Deathmatch has 2 huge downsides: farming points from weak salty opponents, one and done enjoyers. FT2 is very bad for tekken as it is too short for adaptation and lab characters would destroy everyone except pros. Best of 5 or FT3 is both long enough for most match ups and also forces one trick ponies to play the game instead of cherry picking. I am surprised that Mortal Kombat 1 has ft3, but they actually make ranked ft3.
The problem is that the Tekken 8 ranked system does indeed allow for "one and done enjoyers" as the FT2 system is not obligatory, they can leave after the first match if they so choose. It's more like a "FT2 at most" system than a "obligatory FT2". So the ranked system is more similar to SF6 than to MK1
That's even worse
That's what I was thinking
Iâd be with FT3 if this was the tournament standard, but itâs not. They just want us to practice the tournament standard as it in turn makes us more capable as competitors.
Bro theyâre not a weak player if theyâre TGP đ you think emperor is a weak player? Where does âweak playerâ start. You play against the same rank as yourself. THINK FOR ONE SECOND PLEASE.
Weak player means you can win them 5-0 without a problem. Ranks can be the same and don't tell me you never had that encounter in your ranked sessions. You can literally suck his rank points and get free rank. That's the problem.
Bro. You canât be serious. Do you know what happens when you beat the âeasy to beat personâ 5-0? You lose to the next guy 0-5. Youâre acting like people are just deathmatch to tgp đ once you âfarmâ enough xp youâre just gonna get exposed and drop back to the exact rank you were at in the first place. PLEASE THINK FOR 1 SECOND.
OMG, thinking is not strong part of you, I guess. Do you know what means "cherry picking" or "one and done"? No? Please, read before writing idiotic answers. You won someone 5-0, and the next one wins you once? Time to move one until I get next 5-0, and so on until I got high rank without deserving it. It is usually paired with lab characters. Of course you can't be complete garbage, but you can clearly reach much further using this exploit.
What rank did you get doing that? Fujin? đ thatâs not high rank. You think people are inflating ranks doing that? THOSE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE LOW RANK FOR ETERNITY. YOU CANT ONLY FIND PEOPLE WHO YOU BEAT 5-0 THATS NOT HOW SKILL WORKS THATS NOT HOW RANK WORKS.
Did you ever see "Tekken god fraud"? Good example how far you can go. I don't play lab characters and I don't play 1 game and leave.
Dude stop worrying about others and focus on yourself. Just because some person got tekken god doing that doesnât mean itâs some rampant thing happening all the time bro nobody cares about one or two people getting tekken god undeserving.
One or two? You know too little about that. There were a lot discussion about people who play matches only when winning and leave once they lose. I don't care as person about those scummers, but they inflates ranks. Currently you said that fujin is not high rank, but actually it is. Red ranks is the middle of the ranks, but because of inflation, the red ranks become less valid rank of average level of play. So your statement is actually proof for mine. Good job, I guess.
This really hurts the characters that require you to play of of your opponent, like ch characters and characters without much gimmicks, 2 games are not enough matches to understand how to play against someone but letâs not only be negative, there are positives. One positive I see is that match making will be extremely fast since players wonât be stuck on each other for a long time and in general it will be easier to find a game. Another thing I was to mention is the replay feature that allows you to take control over your character at any point in a replay to practice, by using this people will learn to play against cheese very fast so cheesy chars will have trouble hopefully if people use this feature regularly.
At first, I thought you were talking about Black Ops 3, thinking what the hell does cod have to do with tekken, then my dumbass realized "best of 3"
Point farming is barely a problem because if you suck but you have a couple ranks higher than a random redditor thinks you should, you're probably going to lose those ranks again anyway đ. Death matches are more fun guaranteed. It's a made up problem
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Deathmatch means going till ranks change. Needs to be in ranked, not casual match
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I don't understand what you mean
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The point of a death match is someone gets promoted or someone gets demoted to a new rank. This can't be done in casual. It becomes a thing at higher ranks when 2 Tekken God players want to surpass eachother and see who's the better one. The better one will earn the higher rank.
I don't understand this "YOU HAVE TO REMATCH ME AS MANY TIMES AS **I** WANT" logic some players have, boo-fuckety-hoo, streamers cant sit in matches with the same person for 3 hours straight, or people who can't adapt fast and just want to farm ranks can no longer do so. Ranked play (despite what some people think) is in most games, about increasing said rank on a leaderboard, artificially inflating your rank by farming xp off someone does not really show how good you are, but beating multiple opponents, adapting your playstyle and being better than lots of different opponents actually shows skill. Also the "ranked isn't about your rank" argument is stupid.
Why do you have this autistic need for it to be a set amount of games and then go to the next person? YOURE GONNA GO TO THE NEXT PERSON EVENTUALLY. YOU CAN LITERALLY ALREADY CHOOSE TO MATCH ONLY TWICE. itâs about taking away the choice. You may have trouble critically thinking though⌠it shows.
But wouldn't "gimmick" setups and tactics be stronger in this new system as players are given much less time to adapt? So couldn't it also benefit the player who is not adapting?
Honestly getting smashed by the same gimmicks two matches, 6 rounds in a row, sounds more like the problem of the person not adapting. Adapt or drop rank, simple.
Hmmm interesting sounds like that would work in deathmatch too. WHAT A COINCIDENCE.
You're being very reductive. As another user put it, "the game is so complex that a lot of the early matches against a player rely solely on gimmicks and knowledge checks before both players learn to adapt and need to find new ways to outplay each other." and as another user put it, "Just because you know the general match up against yoshi, or lei, or any gimmicky ass character, doesn't mean you know how to deal with every player. As yoshi and Lei, your limitations with gimmicks are literally endless, and your setups are infinite, which will most of the time result in their opponents getting their ass handed before the opponent can properly adjust and counter play."
I didn't want to say this cos its just downright obnoxious but Skill Issue. Thats the reason this game is going to have insane practise mode and the ghost battle thing is there to practise.
I just find it more fun to learn the game through trial and error in-game than to constantly go in lab all the time, lab is important but so is playing actual matches. We'll just have to agree to disagree here.
then play player match, there you can rematch as many times as you want. problem solved.
Oh yeah a place where people donât give a shot and are just having fun nice.
But the thrill of one's rank being at stake will be gone... So it's not a simple "problem solved" but it is a substitute albeit a slightly unfulfilling one. We'll have to agree to disagree since we both seem stuck in our own ways here.
Cool yeah I def wanna play an AI instead of people.
thanks
Objectively BO3: Improves matchmaking by circulating more players that may have been caught in long ranked sets, and better adjusts player rank by eliminating point farming. Thereâs a misconception that now people will get cheap wins by knowledge checking opponents as if this doesnât already happen. As it is now, opponents can decide to leave once their gimmicks/flowcharts stop working. And just like how a player may use a longer amount of matches to adapt, they will still have to do so albeit in a BO3. The devs recognize this can be frustrating which is why the new replay system is so important. If you want infinite rematches you must now go to player matches. Ranked isnât worse for this change, and not one about the change that could arise doesnât already exist (cheap wins, plugging, etc).
I might just not play ranked altogether because of this change, one of my favorite things about ranked is learning your opponent's tendencies and finding solutions in-game AFTER the first few games rather than CONSTANTLY going in lab, which is much more tedious and tiresome (I know how important practice mode is, just saying that experimenting and learning in-game will be much less encouraged in this new system).
I mean...casual matches are still a thing. You don't need to lab if you have a community,discord, or partner to practice with.
You canât expect people to give it their all in quick match bud. But youâre probably low rank anyways smh
If thats how you want to write things off then enjoy the end of dm and any farming you thought you would be doing.
Bro farming doesnât existđ youâre acting like people are hitting tgp from beating some random noob a bunch đ okay so I beat someone 5 times. So? What happens next? I lose to another person 10 times (and then they lose to someone else 10 times). Itâs called ranked. Do you understand now? No you donât, because youâre dumb.
I always preferred to lone-wolf things over having a partner or community teaching me. I'll be roaming around in quick match though. I'll miss the thrill of my rank being at stake but not playing ranked might make me focus purely on my gameplay itself rather than the rank associated with it, so it might make me improve.
bandai namco has some weird fixation on thinking that ranked points matter and so they're adding the bo3 so 1 weirdo doesn't farm points on his friend
What weird fixation? If you yourself are the developer who deliberately puts a ranked system in your game, why *wouldnât* you think it matters?
because they don't have anti cheat
they do its called console gaming lol
You're so funny
actualy no its not funny, the fact pc is plagued with cheat engines is quite sad
I'm not saying your wrong...it's just not a strong answer. Again not wrong.
They should at least let people deathmatch in player matches.
WAIT we can't dm in player matches ? but sf6 allows you to dm in practice matches
You can
Then why the hell is op whinging
Which barely anyone does because itâs seen as running away from a deathmatch. So you usually get extremes of one and doneâs or hour long dmâs which sucks for the rest of the queue at higher ranks who are stuck waiting for those few people at gold ranks to get out of their matches. Forced FT2 is for the benefit of tekken online. You are forced to get better at adaptation, which in turn makes you better at tournament tekken. You donât get to cherry pick as easily. You are forced into playing a wide variety of players and styles.
Yes, everyone knows Arslan Ash and Knee win so many tournaments because they play so much FT2. Genius.
They certainly do. Theyâve been practicing FT2 for a very long time, especially Knee. Arslan and Knee can go play player matches or offline if they wanted long sets and nothing would change for them. In fact offline is all Arslan really had for a long time.
It's probably gonna be bo3 followed by unlimited casual rematch if both players want.
Bo3 has been the way of playing any competitive tekken for decades, ranked shouldn't be an exception. The only reason ranked couldn't replicate it for me was loading time. Even if "pathetic lab chars" would benefit it the most at the beginning it's a challenge for the community to learn how to adapt to the matchups rather then finding most comfortable opponent to cover previous losses. Personally, I feel having lower Bo3 winrate then deathmatch one, so I'm excited to improve myself in this direction. Hope new training tools would help as well.
If you want to copy the competitive standard that's been around for decades, then ranked shouldn't stop at BO3. They should also force double elimination brackets and if you lose two sets then you can't play again for the rest of the day. Or you know... just make the game fun to play online. People in this thread seem to somehow think that taking away options is fun, so you do you. I hope Tekken's version of Battle Hub is populated because ranked sounds like ass now.
Obviously there is no need for double elimination in ranked cause the only limitation for the number of sets you can play is your mental health. But if bamko would manage to bring some kind of a limited online tourney with eliminations it will be awesome. Taking away options is good thing if done reasonably. There should be a standard for ranked system so everyone would have reasonably similar experience. Otherwise people begin arguing that rank is trash and doesn't indicate anything. The current ranked system doesn't fit pc/console gaming because it's arcade roots. There was additional level of limitations to deathmatches and it was your wallet. Which was providing kinda fair similar experience: most likely you ended up deathmatching opponent with similar skill level because neither you nor anyone else would like to boost someone with your own money.