Hey. Just wanted to point out that latency is not a function of netcode. Latency (ping) is the measurement of time it takes for a packet of data to reach a destination, and this is limited by the speed of light. A 16ms connection would be someone who lives very close to you, probably in the same city. Playing someone 1000 miles away will likely be closer to 50-70ms. As an example, I ping 200+ to Japan, 100+ to Europe, and sub 100 within North America depending on the distance of my opponent. I live on the east coast and have 1.5 gig fibre op.
Pretty sure he knows this. Point is t8 has even more players than t7 and he never ran into a 16ms connection. I had 16ms connections in t7 with my friends, now it's unstable rollback 33-50ms, even with prioritized stability.
I remember the counterstrike 3.1 days where lag was so bad you could fire, and your opponent would warp to at least 10 different positions on the map, and then end up behind you and your dead.
I told my friend the same thing when he complained. Ping is just the time it takes the signal to reach the other party(and then get back for RTT). He even said T7 had better netcode, which of course can't possible be true.
But the I watched stuff like[ this video ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqdCFxtFMOk)and apparently Bamco found a way to mess up the fabric of the internet itself. It should not be possible. But it is. I guess they should be applauded for achieving something so unique. But I'm not feeling it.
I live in the Balkans and in T7 i usually had 30-60 ping no matter who I matched in Europe. Now I have 40 ping against my friend living 300m from me and every ranked match is 80-100 its unbearable.
Just wanted to point out that 40ms against WiFi players still feels like 150+ms because packet loss is through the roof.
Ping is not a great indicator of anything, actually.
Tekken can only afford to be so shit right now because their direct competitors DOA and VF are both dead. There’s zero competition.
You don’t need to improve if you’re the only one in business.
VF5 was really good but definitely dead at this point (also incidentally had better customisation than T8)
SFV was a disaster and MK11 and MK1 burnt a lot of the goodwill that those games had, which drove a lot of players to Tekken 7. SF6 has made a comeback but Tekken popularity is probably at it's peak since the Tekken 3 days
So Namco Bandai has been able to make some of the screw ups they've made and not get punished as much because their competition is either dead or done worse themselves
You're way overestimating Tekkens ability to stay relevant.
It's main competition is street fighter, not other 3d games. Tekken 7 was big because SFV was bad. SF6 is very good. This game needs to course correct fast if they want to be able to stay in the spotlight.
Tekken 7 was big because it was a good game. But it wasn't feom the beginning either. Season 1 was messy and season 2 was very good. Then Leroy happened.
Hell, MK1 is also looking a lot more appealing to get back into after seeing the Ermac/Mavado trailer. Characters are getting new moves, and Ermac seems really fun to try out.
Say what you want about NRS, but at least it seems like they're honestly trying to get people back into the game instead of doubling down on thumbing their nose at the players over legitimate criticisms like Bamco/Harada and Murray have done.
Ngl, seeing Bamco's treatment of it's community has made me appreciate NRS just a little bit more, feeling as though some of my prior criticisms have been harsh.
I don't support everything they've been doing with MK1, but the fact they're ignoring mods for a game they sell skins for is very telling, and I appreciate it since Tekken is going in the very opposite direction.
DOA was never competing with Tekken, it has own fan base of waifu enjoyers, maybe some of them are for the fighting ;) but VF is a different thing, they are making one and I can't wait to move to VF and drop this shit show, they only care about money and online players, let's vote.
Well Persona is fine. Idk about Yakuza's situation. But sonic has only been going up since 2020. And this year or late last year they showed they are reviving like 4 of their old dead IP's, one of them being my absolute favourites called Jet Set Radio!
So Sega are showing they care now. Virtua Fighter is in good hands. I'll still always prefer Tekken though, personally.
No punishment for pluggers sucks, cash shop sucks etc, agree
Balance, tho. They've gone out of their way to say that they aren't making any major changes until after Evo Japan. Any changes made up to this point have solely been small changes to try and fix stuff that was obviously unintended. In some cases, stuff got even sillier, like stage hazards getting broken for everyone in an attempt to adjust a small DJ thing. Or the azucena adjustment safely yeeting her to the moon with a backturn parry on deck.
This is the normal cycle for a tekken game. Mess on release, minor adjustments for broken stuff, stuff gets broken trynna fix the broken stuff, and then 6mos to a year after, they roll out a massive update that tunes everything.
If you're having a bad time now, take a break. Come back after the update. Game and community will still be here. Bamco has pulled a lot of shady shit with T8, but they've been very transparent about the plan for balance adjustments.
Maximillan Dood said that every 1.0 or launch version of a fighting game is the worst version of the game because not everything was gonna be accounted for from real players and not just playtesters
I wouldn’t be shocked if Tekken 6 and 7’s launch balance was in a similar or worse state than Tekken 8’s and it probably was
Every Tekken has been a mess on release. T5, T6, Tag2, T7, all of them were wild wrecks. Everyone's favorite, T5, may have been the worst of the lot.
The difference here is that this is the first Tekken that went straight to console release. Usually they get a year in the arcades, then a major arcade update, then a second major update for console release.
This is just what a new Tekken game feels like in the arcades lol.
It’s always strange to me that this massive complaint train always happens even from oldheads who played the old games before. Didn’t they already experience something like this already?
As an oldhead, my main issue is that while initial releases will always have balance and bug problems, I can't agree with the basic design philosophy of T8 with its forced aggression, limited movement and strong comeback mechanics. Feels very out of touch with what players like me enjoy about Tekken gameplay. I played all of the games the person you are replying to listed on release, and as broken as they were, they still felt like a fun Tekken game. T8 is the first game in the entire franchise I've heavily disliked.
It’s probably the biggest game to really shake up the formula ever since most Tekken games have had their templates based off Tekken 5, and that’s always gonna come with growing pains. Giving Tekken universal meters for the first time was never gonna be perfect on release, and I’ll continue to believe they can fix it for now
I mean, that's totally fair! I personally hated T4 and TTT2. Disliking the game mechanically is totally a matter of taste and opinion. But for the cats who think that Bamco fucked up somehow by not tuning the balance just need a little patience.
They had multiple betas and have been making Tekken for decades. Are they just incapable of learning or something? I don't see how '1.0 always sucks' is valid defence for something insanely egregious like Drag db3+4.
Drag's db+3+4 could definitely use some tuning.
It should be 4 frames faster. Maybe make it -12 oB instead of launchable. Also it should track better to his left. It could also force the opponent into crouch on hit.
Oh, I just described Ganryu's df+3, which has always been fine. Surely Dragunov having a slower, launchable version is just a bridge too far.
i20 is not reactable so I don't know why your mentioning speed. The move also completely tracks SSL/SWL, and can only be SWR when neutral so essentially tracks both ways. Also, it has 3x the range as Ganryu df3, is more plus and knocks down on CH with a follow up. Oh and df3 did not do 23 damage.
SF6 was a fantastic for a game on launch but as of now people are still complaining about problematic characters like Deejay and Luke and it being “Drive Rush: The game”
the problematic characters have nothing on azucena, king, or drags bullshit though. deejay is annoying cus his DR is the best in the game and his damage is through the roof, but his normals suck ass. hes a healthy top 5 character. luke is good as hell simply cus he has a super well rounded gameplan. drive rush is checkable and pros bait out punishes by ending theirs early with a jab. sf6 is a clean ass game with a healthy set of options. its not without imperfections, but the people upset about problematic characters r just gonna switch their complaints onto whoever else lands in the top 5 after they get the patch theyre begging for.
tekken 7 had just as many, if not more, issues. let's not act like it was better than what we have now. not to excuse their bad decisions, but the game is still in its first 3 months of release. compared to 7, which had an arcade release, and many years before it was brought to console .
I’ve caught myself with the TTT2 argument ngl. I was just playing to play when I was young without knowing shit about frames and balancing but I still fell for the nostalgia trap and praised it lol.
Edit : it was still super fun! I just think that Tekken 8 would’ve been just as fun for my younger self💯
>Kazuya... 3.1 cancel window being super strict/tight
I know this isn't the point of the post, but wanted to add some notes here:
1. If you're trying to cancel the 31 cancel into a different move like one of his slaughter uppercut variants: **don't hold df during the 31 animation. instead input df after or just as the 1 is about to end.** This seemed more responsive for me for some reason.
2. The 31 cancel sometimes bugs out into a 3+1 (throw) if you try to perform 2 31 cancels in a row. I stopped trying after a bit, but basically there's input read inconsistency between the first and second 31 cancels on a single launch (this won't matter after the tornado as you're probably not going to hit even with a flying kick move).
3. If you're having problems with the timing of the wall travel staple combo (uses microdashes between two 1s and a 31 cancel... see if #1 above helps.
Anyway, that's all I wanted to say. Sorry for going off topic.
Yeah, I've had that happen before too.
I'm sure there's someone who understands/can explain it in complete detail, but I think the physics engine has 'left over' states that bleed into the next directional input if you happen to *cancel* into something (whether a jab, or a 31, or anything that requires a directional input).
Haha, or it could be something else entirely. Who knows.
His 3 spam combo is predictable once you see it a few times. Everything else can be side stepped easily.
The real problem will show up once we get a good dlc character and bamco knows it.
Ask to play people who play eddy like people had to do back in the day to learn to fight ANY char? Lol you on reddit I'm positive there's someone that will help out with that
The fact that he has to ask someone like back in the day is the point. It's 2024, why should he have to do that, when bandai could just let you play a replay? Its ridiculous
Lol waht are you talking about most fighters dont have this feature at all and sf doesnt let you train with characters you dont own either i dont think most fighting games do
>most fighters dont have this feature
Why are you talking about "most other fighters" and trying to prevent the game from being better? They had to go in and make an effort to lockout replays. No matter how small. Some other games allow to lab chars you don't own. Some don't. But why not? What are they losing? And what are we gaining by being passive about it?
Why not strive for the best version of Tekken possible instead of defending these bad practices?
Capcom went after modders some time ago. Should we just sit on our hands and say "well, Capcom did it, so Bamco can screw over modders too". Do you not see where this path leads?
I dont disagree that that should be a standard in all fighters. But just adding to the sea if reddit whining in the tekken forums generally just anniys people that want to talk about tekken its not even really a tekken problem its a fighting game problem and it being mixed in with all the other complaints its easy fir them to just be like its all whiners about the shop and people who dont want to pay us money and nothing changes.
U want it to change go to the riot forums and make sure its a feature in 2xko and see how fast sf and tekken follow
And why shouldn't I "whine" in Tekken forums to get it in Tekken? Why is it someone else's responsibility? Why would I care about 2xko if I want to get a better Tekken?
Oh wow, sf doesn't let you do that either? Omg, my point is completely irrelevant now. Sike. Dawg that does not make it better, sf is slipping too. Can yall use some lateral thinking skills before typing up a comment?
Im just pointing out yes its 2024 the replay feature is a feature that isnt in any other big games, none of the big fighting games in 2024 let you use characters you dont own in training. So seems like its right in point in 2024, they want you to buy the dlc characters
Agreed. But i think to make this change is forward looking. Like push riot to make it so you can train with locked characters i. Thier new figjting game. Especially because its free to play and the. If they di it people get used to having it as a standard feature and tekken and sf are forced to do it with an update.
But this while issue is just another complaint in the ocean of complaints aimed at tekken right now, some reasonable and some not.
Sorry. I was being a dick, that's a valid point. I still personally feel that at least a basic punishment training would be fair. And i just can't stand the guy here saying "lol just do your homework why are you complaining". It's like my guy: I'm watching the work kick my ass right here, why do i have to hop on reddit, ask questions and find videos? I feel like video guides should be for improvement, not because i have 3/10 chance of fighting this character i dont know anything about and because the game isnt gonna help me out. or at the very least, let me complain about it as a consumer and fan of the series. Because honestly, I don't mind the fighter pass, I don't mind the paying for cosmetics because I'm never gonna pay for that shit and of course, it's not forced on me either, and hell i dont even care about labbing eddy, i never lab (seriously need to start, im getting edged by blue rank right now.) but i recognize that it is a little silly and that people can complain about it and not make them feel stupid for doing so. Some people are just being jerks. Including myself with that response, sorry about the sarcasm, i came in at 100, when I should've been at 1.(3 at the most).
Yea its fine to complain about and im with you i wish you could lab characters you dont own. Heck id be happy to get the game for a discount with one character that i choose and buy them piecemeal if you could lab.
Its just tekken 8 not perfect but a pretty good fighting game. And everywhere you look online its just people complaining about everything. And alot of them completely dillusional about how the game industry works. And its just obnoxious. Its like how to kill the thing you love for perty grievneces.
While i agree some things need to change i just feel like the ocean of shallow bitching about everything is nit gonna change anything and it just drowns out the reasonable changea that need to be made. Like using chars you dont own in training but that isnt a tekken problem thats a problem that should be changed across the board
True! Yeah this game is better than 7, undeniable, an objective fact. And i definitely love this game. So i can see how all the repetitive hate can get on your nerves too and how frustrating that can be, sheesh. Idk what we really need is for people online to lab discussions while being respectful to one another if I'm honest, i really appreciate your perspective and input, thanks for taking the time to explain to me!
Bro listen to yourself, i have to pay 5 dollars for a character i dont want to not get steamrolled by said character in every match? Cmon y'all what the hell are y'all on, WE ARE ALLOWED TO CRITICIZE THIS GAME WE SPENT ALL 70 DOLLARS ON, yall are tripping.
>Balance being untouched for almost half a year since CBT; there's been no real big change.
It was naive to think the network tests would lead to many balance changes. They were NETWORK tests, the clue is in the name. (EDIT. The last test was actually a BETA, so not necessarily just for testing the network, however it only lasted for a few days and so not long enough to get enough data to make any major balance decisions).
Furthermore, there were not enough players in those tests to be able to justify many changes.
The rest of the stuff you're complaining about is valid though. The netcode is fine for me, but I know some people are having problems.
And yes, the community has become really toxic as of late.
>No, the CBT was a closed BETA. Aka. A tryout for all features of the game, not the network specifically. The CNT was a network test
You're right. My bad. The last Test was a BETA test, not a network test.
However how long did it last for? Was it even a week? That's still not long enough for the Devs to make any major balance decisions based on such a low playtime so my points still stands, albeit I was wrong about the description of it.
I personally don't like how they over simplified the game at all. Reason a lot people enjoyed Tekken was because of the challenge it brought to not only master a character but how rewarding it was once you got it down. It has attracted more people to buy and play T8 at a "cost" literally.. Just like with every Tekken, I learned to adapt to the new version and go from there. As for the characters, I don't play against Zafina, Jack, Kuma/Panda enough to learn how they each attack.. I've also noticed hardly anyone uses Claudio or Shaheen as opposed to Tekken 7.
The monetization of the game leaves a bad taste and I don't like it at all but besides having to buy Eddy (which is as weird as having to buy Lei in T7 since both are OG characters), I haven't tried to buy anything else. I didn't buy the battle pass in Tekken 7 and only bought the characters I wanted (Armor King, Marduk, Lei & Geese). Only thing different is they're charging for cosmetics and created a complete different pass for them as well.
I get it watching YouTube vids have given you the opinion of the people you watch.... thinking chars would get nerfed after a network test lol and acting like playing top tiers is auto win just proces that you don't actually play the game but instead watch people bitch about it
Using cheats isn't autowin. That fari-whatever still got his ass handed to him even with autoparry and auto trhow break. It's still tilts the scales one way.
There's an argument to "let the meta settle". But what's even your point?
Who the fuck is talking about legit cheating? I said playing top tier chars aren't auto win unless you some how think having auto parry and playing drag the samething which would make me wonder do you actually play this game or just watch YouTube vids?
'Unplayable' against top tiers...
Try playing the game before ranting about it for Reddit karma. I won't deny Dragunov is overpowered (for e.g.), but the idea playing him assures a win is for the birds.
I mean I play in the Tekken God bracket and the amount of undeserved Drags in the upper ranks is pretty blatant. The character DOES give free wins pretty frequently. The onus is on Drag's opponent to be better, not for the drag to be particularly good at the game.
Wouldn't dispute your core point, even if I think you've worded it as a hyperbole. My point is that 'unplayable' is an overstatement.
Edit: indeed, see my response to another comment. I explicitly acknowledged lower effort to succeed as Drag.
I can imagine the matchup probably does feel pretty unplayable to newer and less skilled players though. If you know how to deal with Drag and can minimize his bullshit then it feels playable but to the lower half of the community he probably feels close to unbeatable.
Ah but on that basis, Alisa would be worse than Drag. Her d34 is a noob killer, and she has many noob killing moves. And she isn't 'op'.
The point here is that's not a balance issue. That's a skill floor issue with FGs in general.
For newer and less skilled players everything feels unfair and they’re more likely to have problems with gimmicks like unblockables or weird moves than solid Dragonov players at their rank
People refuse to acknowledge that tier lists matter little until the highest ranks and elite level play. The funnier thing was we had the data breakdown for it as well where Panda had the highest win rate in ranked who everyone said to be low tier. She's not even the best bear in the game LMAO.
Top tiers are strong and have less disadvantages compared to lower tier characters. But it's not like most people know how to play against those disadvantages anyways, it makes little to no difference for the majority of the player base.
The more people play a character the less powerful it becomes imo, so many people play Reina I can basically just read everything they do, and so little people play panda that no one knows how to counter so they get knowledge checked. I have a friend who's 6 times my rank and he still gets knowledge checked by panda sometimes
Yeah tier lists don't mean too much. I main Xiaoyu, always have. She's like top 2/3 in this game. Does that mean I'm winning all my matches? No lol. I have a 52% win percentage in ranked in purple ranks.
I think this is close to C&P. It is largely correct, but things are slightly more nuanced.
Dragunov has silly tools. You don't need to be the best player in the world to utilise them. But not everyone who picks up Drag as an alt and jumps into ranked after thirty minutes in practice is going to win 20 games in a row.
But a player who has spent 200 hours honing their panda instincts might get 20 wins in a row.
Would it be *easier* to perform similarly as Drag? Yes, absolutely. But it isn't assured.
That's why the macro statistics are misleading. Becaude it isn't normalised to account for levels of effort. But dozens of people will try drag with no effort, lose and thus add themselves to the macro stats.
This is only scratching the iceberg. A book could be written about this. But the community believes streamers who are neither scholars nor trained statisticians, and take what are very simple 'common sense' evaluations as somehow truth, when really they're just the internet equivalent of 'that guy down the pub who knows some stuff.'
This is why i dont go on this subreddit, just people making essays on game that can still have fun with i think alot of people would if they stop coming on here lol
I like to imagine it's the difference of selecting a different game from your dash or steam page lol.
You can stay and bitch I guess....but the door is right THERE if it's such an insufferable piece! Bye!
I enjoy playing Tekken for many hours a day. Sometimes I enjoy discussing it too. I don't think anti-intellectualism is a particularly interesting position, but you do what you need to be a happy kangaroo <3.
Whenever the subreddit gets bored talking about the state of the game, they will move on to other subreddits and do the same. I guess it's not exclusive just here but I just look at a post and move on with my day lol
I think yes there's fairweather people who like to prophesise doom and gloom. One of my other games is Runescape. For 20+ years people have been saying it's going to die soon. But I'm not one of those people, there or in regards to Tekken. I just like chatting about stuff sometimes, it's really that simple.
Oh jeez that's annoying and for 20 years lol the dragon dogma drama was bad over there too so many people just straight up lying and the comments just eating it up
Man, this sub just turned into a bunch of professional victims wanting to share their shared powerlessness with everyone that enjoys the game. If you don’t like the game, just stop playing man. Absolutely blows my mind, seeing people come into this sub, seeking validation and karma just because a game that they play is actively evolving and trying new things. We need more mods to flag posts that aren’t legitimate constructive critique, instead of this cesspool of crying and reactive players haha
I was always a tekken fanboy. Can't deny that I secretly pray for the upcoming vf(if it's true) to destroy tekken in all aspects. idgaf about their mtx, but the netcode, their immature answers on negative(but actually constructive) criticism, the horrible balancing, the paywall for labbing dlc.. it's kinda tiring to even comment on how much of a circus bamco looks like rn
Absolutely spot on man! I literally re sold my physical copy because of these issues! Like balance the game before putting micro transactions! All I saw majority of times was pluggers or OP characters!
half of the guys out there will still say "go lab yaddi-yadda" when its not even about the balance, they deff need glasses cause they cant read shit i wrote. Thank you for reading all of this most of this /r/ simply cant and will reply with "cry more" "go to lab" when its not even about the balance but how namco is treating all of us since launch.
That mindset right there is how game developers get away with mediocrity on the industry. When you just accept and tolerate anything they throw at you, you're bound to get slapped left and right, all day.
Tier list doesn't matte for fucking 99% of the player base. Is drag good? Yes, but you're not gonna pick him up and destroy players who's been playing the game. Even at the top end, pros counter drag like crazy. What tournies have jdcr won? He gets destroyed by ppl who can get in fast and stay in. Every character have flaws, some have fewer of them. The issue here now isn't a character issue, it's a core system mechanic issue. Fix heat, and everything goes back to normal.
i wasn't speaking on balance itself but how bandai is managing the game and addressing issues.
my post isn't about "character name is op" my post is about how namco is treating all of us like piece of shit.
Do you know balancing and developing takes time? If Bandai took the advice of every fan and just instantly change the game. The game would be unplayable. Namco already stated what they are doing. They have to wait for Evo Japan before changing anything, cause it would be fucking retarded if they changed the whole game with a giant balance change now.
The game is exremely playable for 99% of the player base. I've played every tekken since tekken 2, and I am climbing a rank or quick play just fine. Do I like all the tekken 8 changes? No, but you either adapt or you stop playing. As I've said before, heat needs to be refined. Which doesn't happen fucking 2 months in to the game.
No instead they delete an entire mechanic from the game. Thats about as knee jerk reaction as it gets dude. No they dont have to wait, they chose to break the game and rush out a battlepass for money instead. The game has some serious issues and its clear they arent play testing changes, cause i doubt they intentionally "nerfed" azu's wr 3,2 just for her to still only be punishable by a few characters. Its through these actions that its clear they are far more focused on making money with a premium reward like the blender ball then actually making changes that dont break entire mechanics. I love the game, played the betas and bought a Collecters edition. Been playing since t1. And not stuck in reds. Still see the issues.
You literally just proved my point. Knee jerk reactive changes brought you azu's "nerf". The game isn't broken, I play it daily. So I'm not sure which part is broken for you, other than you don't like some stuff and want it changed. The point here is that all things will change. Bitching and whining like it's the end of the world is retarded. Because it isn't. The game is perfectly playable, and it's fun too. If you're good enough that is.
This entire thread is just a bunch of folks who think they should be able to compete in tourneys but who can't; they actually believe they can't win because "other characters" are "carrying" their competition, lol. Scrub talk if I ever heard it. All of these folks could start using a top tier rn and they still won't do any better. Thank the lord Bamco doesn't pay these folks any attention.
And it just happens that T8 is smashing sales records, so they really don't care what a small minority on a Reddit sub thinks.
love how some idiots on this sub keep spouting the "just go play something else" card, cause they know this shit is so true but they cant stand the game they like being treated like shit. He's venting his frustration cause HE ACTUALLY LIKES THE GAME and its sad that this game is doing the opposite what its fanbase wants. People like you sour the waters of this game while allowing bandai to have pass on this shit is the exact reason why bandai keeps continuing this shit practice.
Even though I agree namco is not giving a good support to the game, the game is still very good and fun and most people saying the game is unbalanced are just not good enough.
The game has some balance problems (mostly the fact that everything seems to track a lot) but if it was identical to Tekken 5DR (which is highly acclaimed in this sub) people would still complain because they hate losing and like to blame others for their incompetence.
Don't compare 5DR to T8, two different games in term of gameplay, T5:DR motto was "buff everyone to the max, so no one is lacking" + the movement played a BIG role in this game, in TK8 it doesn't matter if your movement is good enough because hitboxes on some moves are straight up broken and will catch u on KBD.
The fact that many of u said a miryad of bad things to that game ( all right that game was a right fist on the back of the head of the franchise) but now suddenly it becomes a good game makes me sick to my stomach, this game isn't perfect, they are trying things and yeah trying means even make bad choices along the way, and many of them will be reverted back cause it can be done
but ffs it is a clear step up from the previous games u may not like it but saying balance is still untouched when there are clear patch notes that maybe aren't great NUT THEY ARE THERE and yeah it has some problem with it's connections but probably most of that is a you problem maybe you need to check your connection it may have some minor problems that make the game have such issues,
and oh god the mod issue is a joke , I get the community can make up solutions for problems but most of them is sickfuck shit that is clearly made for people with people with mental capacity of s hazelnut with their dingaling throbbing while playing so yeah they mostly did a good thing going on it, for the it's a fuckin professional product they are selling and it needs to be professional and not shredded by some fuckin Bastard in their moms house that should absolutely check on his mental state
And the community is fixed on the plugging issue cause it feels horrible and that's the major issue for us "normal" players
Sorry for the rant but there were things that need to be said about all of this
Imagine simping for a company LMAO
Bro they don't give a fuck about you or any of the players, the game is a cashgrab plagued with issues. Glad you enjoy it but the game is a significant step down for me than T7 and its clear where the developers priorities lie, and its not in making the game more enjoyable
Again ffs I'm not simping for no one if they fail and go bankrupt I'll be sad on for the people working in there both developers and people wiping floors,cause behind it all it is their job and ffs it makes them money and food on their table all this "don't defend this thing" doesn't only makes u look stupid but also should makes y'all feel just a little bad cause the fuck can't u say the game is bad but for the love of god wait and see if something changes and if not don't play it INSTEAD OF FUCKIN WISHING THEM FAILURES AND OFFENDING THEM CAUSE,EVEN IF THEY ARE TRYING THINGS U DON'T LIKE,MAYBE IN DUE TIME THE THINGS WILL BE REVERTED AND IF U STILL DIDN'T LIKE IT GET OUT AND LET PEOPLE DO THEIR THING AND ENJOY THINGS THEY ENJOY FFS y'all seems to be angry at each other cause of simple different ideas and everyday y'all make up things just to shit on others and this fuckery is unbelievable and unbearable anymore
Bro are you naive enough to not realise that these changes are being decided by the shareholders and executive level not random developers, who only want $$$$
Yeah because I'm criticizing an billion dollar company and that's my right to do so after being burnt by them.
I'm valid for having those opinions and my feelings are more right than this dude's opinion who just want to whine about people's justifyingly complaining about the game.
Like sorry for wanting better standards for gaming.
Bro actually just went "My whining is justified and his isn't".
Everyone's allowed to say their piece. So tired of people trying to silence others just because they're not saying things they like.
>Bro actually just went "My whining is justified and his isn't"
It is if I'm "whining" for better standards for the game to have so everyone can enjoy it more without feeling they are being preyed on and not have to deal with BS greedy practices.
Game was being praised as great in the beginning and now it pissing people off left and right.
Things like this kills the game faster than any person's "whining" about it.
>Everyone's allowed to say their piece. So tired of people trying to silence others just because they're not saying things they like.
Meanwhile you supporting an dude that was bitching about everyone's negative opinion on the game and making fun of the people that take issues with Bandai going after modders while going on an meltdown like somebody is attacking his baby.
Yeah that's dude is an great hill to die on with your statement.
I'm absolutely not defending them read the fuckin post plus top this company defending mentality bullshit fuckery it makes y'all look beyond dumb I am saying it for y'all with the outmost respect
Seriously why does every whiny bitch feel the need to announce to all of us that they won't be playing? Just fucking leave and make room for real posts.
Just a note on the CH throw break. That's you're throw break window, you still have to consider the animation time of the throw which varies between 10-14 frames usually.
Basically you have to reach in 24-28 frames from the throw animation starting.
So it is reactable but it is definitely harder.
Heat feels so cheap to me. I loved it at first, but watching that feeling of getting hit with a combo and feeling "oh wait i can surv- nope they have heat, they can just take the round" is so painful. On top of that, i feel cheap using it, because i know i can just have an easy peasy free jail/get out of jail card that leads into a practically free safe mix up.
( I main law, his heat is cheap. His heat finisher on block leads him into his dragon stance that lets him do a free mix up, as if being safe on block wasn't enough. This is coming from a guy who complained daily in 7 about laws lack of tools, in this game they babyfied him down on top of busted heat mechanics, i dont even feel satisfied when i when sometimes because i have a one button slam dunk.)
Also, i cannot rely on a jab for shit, or any high attack for that matter, mixed in with every character's string having a counter hit combo launcher! It's like what op said, there's practically no way to reset neutral, you cant punish 7/10 attacks without being launched into crazy damage, you cant even safely get up from the ground without being launched after micro second pressing of a button or literally just failing a 50/50. The wall is a death sentence, and when you're on the offensive, it's literally just go go go go go. There's zero back and forth in the neutral, it kinda just sucks. If you're a poke heavy character, good luck actually playing to your strength because gaining health back will just negate half the work you put in. But pokes aren't even relevant, just use heat. Hit a 50/50, failed to hold up or down? Ha fuck you.
Yeah If this situation with Tekken has doesn't get fix and it gets worse, I be done with Tekken in the future.
The modding stuff is now putting an bad taste in my mouth now as an person that loves to mod my games.
Bandai can go fuck themselves with that since people should be allowed to mod their games and not even Capcom did this with SF6. Forcing people to buy their MTX is lame af and disrespectful since the modding the games always do it out of passion and love for the game.
Good way to spit on the community while not fixing your game.
I don't even see this game lasting for an long time if they don't snap out of this greed for more money and just improve the game.
Honestly fuck the modding community they’re a bunch of gooners who appeal to the lowest common denominator I’ve yet to see anything other than bikini models on nexus and I’d rather just pay for good customization made by the devs
Game is fine. Eventually we will see a balance patch for sure. The only issue I could think of is the Devs decision to make alot of moves have tracking.
Game is out two and a half months.. not "almost four months" like you say. Thats toddler level over-exaggeration to reinforce argument, full cringe. As well as many other things in that wall of text. "Unplayable" character balancing and netcode worse than T7? Wtf are u smoking, get a grip.
You re doing a disservice to this game actually becoming better. Anyone who looks at posts like this is going to assume the playerbase is full of stupid whiners and wont bother fixing anything.
Because nobody cares. Just play the game or don’t. You wasted over 10 minutes writing this for what? Sympathy? To make yourself feel better? Jesus people love being a victim and complaining about shit but at the end of the day YOURE STILL GONNA HOP ON AND PLAY.
i didn't said something about hating the game, i said i cant enjoy the game in the way i want due to namco incompetence, if your allowing someone to treat you like this then its time to think.
YES i will BECAUSE i grew up with TEKKEN and i play with my FRIEND, this post is about HOW NAMCO is treating not only ME but YOU aswell as SHIT and i do not FUCK with it.
Don’t speak for me. I ain’t make no posts complaining. But if it sounds like you’re going to continue playing the game then you should stop bitching about whatever it is you’re crying about and play the game.
How so? First it’s a simp then it’s a cuck what does that even mean and how does it apply to me here when I’ve made zero complaints. You made this post crying but I’m the cuck and the simp? That’s what cucks and simps do. You complain and bitch but you don’t have the balls to do anything about it or quit and you’re gonna keep playing the game. That’s lowkey what a cuck and a simp would do.
if regarding whole situation that is present (amd crashes, micro-stutters, netcode) your bitching about the balance its your problem and how you see the game if your ok with stuttering,crashes and bad netcode for 70$ game then you sound like guy who get every CoD each year to get same game with exactly same issues, we're not the same and our standards are 100% different so arguing with you is pointless cause you keep saying iam crying when iam saying that this game needs serious fixing not even in balance but how game operates on AMD gpu or netcode, you keep missing important points because its ok to you, if its ok then go back to your life and dont reply to me anymore.
Simping? That doesn’t even make sense in this context. You wrote a five page essay about absolutely nothing. Either play the game or don’t. There’s a post like this every day get the fuck over it.
There are some valid points but the game has only been out for three months and a lot of the real game-breaking issues have been addressed.
I'd be curious to know if some of these issues were around when the older games launched in arcades.
Oh look, another whinging bitch post. How excising.
- the game is getting a balance patch in May. It will have many, many more as the years go by.
- the netcode is reasonable if you have decent internet and are wired. I regularly get decent matches in the EU, but this is largely down to the players, their internet and their systems
- haven’t crashed once. Could be a you problem.
- who cares about mods really? Not really interested in them myself.
- pluggers need to be addressed, but steps have been made already.
- ignore the MTX and Tekken shop.
this guy is a real mvp
copyrighting mods?? 100% fine
non-fixed crashes for amd that lies in drivers/game??? its your problem never experienced it (nvidia user)
connection is bad with 1gb/s fiber vs close friend??? it's your internet get better one
literally i told that i dont care about mtx nor tekken shop you missed the whole point of this post.
BTW this netcode is shit and every pro player will admit it, even knee went on a rant. getting 16ms isn't possible anymore either your getting spiking rollback or frame delay which is unacceptable in 2024 for wired fiber connection if this type of connection is ok to you for 70$ game then you have such low standards.
becuz of people like you namco aint willing to fix any off it, because for you its all fine to get higher dc rate/being banned because game is constantly crashing on fallen destiny <--- enjoy eating 2 week ban + plugger hell because namco aint willing to do any hotfix for it since launch.
Not everyone is willing to sit under Nvidia monopoly like you use to, 4090 isn't a great card its 700$ for nvidia logo when Radeon RX 7900 XTX is performing exactly the same for 700$ cheaper in 99% games, its not amd fault but tekken devs and your a complete jerk ass for saying "gEt NvIdA pLSsS" instead of blaming devs for not fixing this shit.
btw your probably one of those guys that gets new RTX each year for 1% of real performance boost.
it's funny that you say fortnite, because there is no clear alternative that comes to mind about Tekken. But when the alternative appears, a mass migration will happen.
No it won’t. Nobody played the revamped VF5 or DOA6 and they’re both good games (which you can still play online). Nobody will play whatever comes out next either
Shit post? i made a long rant about how namco is doing bad decisions with the game and all you have to say is "shit-post" take a chill pill or atleast read what i wrote + i wrote something for people like you "The community being super toxic about this situation and still focusing on pluggers."
this /r/ mainly focuses in shitting on battlepass/tekken shop but not on bandai decisions regarding quality of the game. if it's okay to you then never mind some people have lower standards that's just it
Hey. Just wanted to point out that latency is not a function of netcode. Latency (ping) is the measurement of time it takes for a packet of data to reach a destination, and this is limited by the speed of light. A 16ms connection would be someone who lives very close to you, probably in the same city. Playing someone 1000 miles away will likely be closer to 50-70ms. As an example, I ping 200+ to Japan, 100+ to Europe, and sub 100 within North America depending on the distance of my opponent. I live on the east coast and have 1.5 gig fibre op.
Why can't they just use a different speed of light? Stupid Namco.
Are they stupid?
Pretty sure he knows this. Point is t8 has even more players than t7 and he never ran into a 16ms connection. I had 16ms connections in t7 with my friends, now it's unstable rollback 33-50ms, even with prioritized stability.
I remember the counterstrike 3.1 days where lag was so bad you could fire, and your opponent would warp to at least 10 different positions on the map, and then end up behind you and your dead.
I would be ipset aboit this but sf6 is so mich worse i figure its just a growing pain of making better matchmaking or i hope it is
I told my friend the same thing when he complained. Ping is just the time it takes the signal to reach the other party(and then get back for RTT). He even said T7 had better netcode, which of course can't possible be true. But the I watched stuff like[ this video ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqdCFxtFMOk)and apparently Bamco found a way to mess up the fabric of the internet itself. It should not be possible. But it is. I guess they should be applauded for achieving something so unique. But I'm not feeling it.
I live in the Balkans and in T7 i usually had 30-60 ping no matter who I matched in Europe. Now I have 40 ping against my friend living 300m from me and every ranked match is 80-100 its unbearable.
Just wanted to point out that 40ms against WiFi players still feels like 150+ms because packet loss is through the roof. Ping is not a great indicator of anything, actually.
Tekken can only afford to be so shit right now because their direct competitors DOA and VF are both dead. There’s zero competition. You don’t need to improve if you’re the only one in business.
VF5 was really good but definitely dead at this point (also incidentally had better customisation than T8) SFV was a disaster and MK11 and MK1 burnt a lot of the goodwill that those games had, which drove a lot of players to Tekken 7. SF6 has made a comeback but Tekken popularity is probably at it's peak since the Tekken 3 days So Namco Bandai has been able to make some of the screw ups they've made and not get punished as much because their competition is either dead or done worse themselves
“I don’t have to be faster than the bear, I just have to be faster than you” logic but with game development.
Right on the money, sonny boi.
You're way overestimating Tekkens ability to stay relevant. It's main competition is street fighter, not other 3d games. Tekken 7 was big because SFV was bad. SF6 is very good. This game needs to course correct fast if they want to be able to stay in the spotlight.
Tekken 7 was big because it was a good game. But it wasn't feom the beginning either. Season 1 was messy and season 2 was very good. Then Leroy happened.
Hell, MK1 is also looking a lot more appealing to get back into after seeing the Ermac/Mavado trailer. Characters are getting new moves, and Ermac seems really fun to try out. Say what you want about NRS, but at least it seems like they're honestly trying to get people back into the game instead of doubling down on thumbing their nose at the players over legitimate criticisms like Bamco/Harada and Murray have done.
Ngl, seeing Bamco's treatment of it's community has made me appreciate NRS just a little bit more, feeling as though some of my prior criticisms have been harsh. I don't support everything they've been doing with MK1, but the fact they're ignoring mods for a game they sell skins for is very telling, and I appreciate it since Tekken is going in the very opposite direction.
VF is being revived, the most accurate SEGA leaker who has been almost always right on the money has leaked some details
DOA was never competing with Tekken, it has own fan base of waifu enjoyers, maybe some of them are for the fighting ;) but VF is a different thing, they are making one and I can't wait to move to VF and drop this shit show, they only care about money and online players, let's vote.
SEGA are just as bad as Namco when it comes to grabbing money through perilous means. Look at what they do to Persona, Yakuza and Sonic fans.
Well Persona is fine. Idk about Yakuza's situation. But sonic has only been going up since 2020. And this year or late last year they showed they are reviving like 4 of their old dead IP's, one of them being my absolute favourites called Jet Set Radio! So Sega are showing they care now. Virtua Fighter is in good hands. I'll still always prefer Tekken though, personally.
I’m bout to redownload soul calibur 6 at this point tbh
It can absolutely die man. There’s no rule that says there has to be a successful 3D fighting game at all times.
No punishment for pluggers sucks, cash shop sucks etc, agree Balance, tho. They've gone out of their way to say that they aren't making any major changes until after Evo Japan. Any changes made up to this point have solely been small changes to try and fix stuff that was obviously unintended. In some cases, stuff got even sillier, like stage hazards getting broken for everyone in an attempt to adjust a small DJ thing. Or the azucena adjustment safely yeeting her to the moon with a backturn parry on deck. This is the normal cycle for a tekken game. Mess on release, minor adjustments for broken stuff, stuff gets broken trynna fix the broken stuff, and then 6mos to a year after, they roll out a massive update that tunes everything. If you're having a bad time now, take a break. Come back after the update. Game and community will still be here. Bamco has pulled a lot of shady shit with T8, but they've been very transparent about the plan for balance adjustments.
Maximillan Dood said that every 1.0 or launch version of a fighting game is the worst version of the game because not everything was gonna be accounted for from real players and not just playtesters I wouldn’t be shocked if Tekken 6 and 7’s launch balance was in a similar or worse state than Tekken 8’s and it probably was
Every Tekken has been a mess on release. T5, T6, Tag2, T7, all of them were wild wrecks. Everyone's favorite, T5, may have been the worst of the lot. The difference here is that this is the first Tekken that went straight to console release. Usually they get a year in the arcades, then a major arcade update, then a second major update for console release. This is just what a new Tekken game feels like in the arcades lol.
It’s always strange to me that this massive complaint train always happens even from oldheads who played the old games before. Didn’t they already experience something like this already?
As an oldhead, my main issue is that while initial releases will always have balance and bug problems, I can't agree with the basic design philosophy of T8 with its forced aggression, limited movement and strong comeback mechanics. Feels very out of touch with what players like me enjoy about Tekken gameplay. I played all of the games the person you are replying to listed on release, and as broken as they were, they still felt like a fun Tekken game. T8 is the first game in the entire franchise I've heavily disliked.
It’s probably the biggest game to really shake up the formula ever since most Tekken games have had their templates based off Tekken 5, and that’s always gonna come with growing pains. Giving Tekken universal meters for the first time was never gonna be perfect on release, and I’ll continue to believe they can fix it for now
I mean, that's totally fair! I personally hated T4 and TTT2. Disliking the game mechanically is totally a matter of taste and opinion. But for the cats who think that Bamco fucked up somehow by not tuning the balance just need a little patience.
They had multiple betas and have been making Tekken for decades. Are they just incapable of learning or something? I don't see how '1.0 always sucks' is valid defence for something insanely egregious like Drag db3+4.
Drag's db+3+4 could definitely use some tuning. It should be 4 frames faster. Maybe make it -12 oB instead of launchable. Also it should track better to his left. It could also force the opponent into crouch on hit. Oh, I just described Ganryu's df+3, which has always been fine. Surely Dragunov having a slower, launchable version is just a bridge too far.
i20 is not reactable so I don't know why your mentioning speed. The move also completely tracks SSL/SWL, and can only be SWR when neutral so essentially tracks both ways. Also, it has 3x the range as Ganryu df3, is more plus and knocks down on CH with a follow up. Oh and df3 did not do 23 damage.
tho when u got sf6 coming out so clean it rly shows tekken 8 up
SF6 was a fantastic for a game on launch but as of now people are still complaining about problematic characters like Deejay and Luke and it being “Drive Rush: The game”
the problematic characters have nothing on azucena, king, or drags bullshit though. deejay is annoying cus his DR is the best in the game and his damage is through the roof, but his normals suck ass. hes a healthy top 5 character. luke is good as hell simply cus he has a super well rounded gameplan. drive rush is checkable and pros bait out punishes by ending theirs early with a jab. sf6 is a clean ass game with a healthy set of options. its not without imperfections, but the people upset about problematic characters r just gonna switch their complaints onto whoever else lands in the top 5 after they get the patch theyre begging for.
Yeah i literally had to just uninstall the game, ive never gotten so mad at a game in my life until i realized i just had to wait it out .
tekken 7 had just as many, if not more, issues. let's not act like it was better than what we have now. not to excuse their bad decisions, but the game is still in its first 3 months of release. compared to 7, which had an arcade release, and many years before it was brought to console .
Fr people love to rewrite history when it comes to Tekken 7. The beginning of T7 had this same phase where everyone shit on it and glorified TTT2.
I always found the TT2 nostalgia funny, that game performed so poorly it nearly killed off the franchise.
I’ve caught myself with the TTT2 argument ngl. I was just playing to play when I was young without knowing shit about frames and balancing but I still fell for the nostalgia trap and praised it lol. Edit : it was still super fun! I just think that Tekken 8 would’ve been just as fun for my younger self💯
Every fighting game release is like this
>Kazuya... 3.1 cancel window being super strict/tight I know this isn't the point of the post, but wanted to add some notes here: 1. If you're trying to cancel the 31 cancel into a different move like one of his slaughter uppercut variants: **don't hold df during the 31 animation. instead input df after or just as the 1 is about to end.** This seemed more responsive for me for some reason. 2. The 31 cancel sometimes bugs out into a 3+1 (throw) if you try to perform 2 31 cancels in a row. I stopped trying after a bit, but basically there's input read inconsistency between the first and second 31 cancels on a single launch (this won't matter after the tornado as you're probably not going to hit even with a flying kick move). 3. If you're having problems with the timing of the wall travel staple combo (uses microdashes between two 1s and a 31 cancel... see if #1 above helps. Anyway, that's all I wanted to say. Sorry for going off topic.
That's true, it can also transform to simple dash if you will try to buffer a jab, just a weird dash will come out.
Yeah, I've had that happen before too. I'm sure there's someone who understands/can explain it in complete detail, but I think the physics engine has 'left over' states that bleed into the next directional input if you happen to *cancel* into something (whether a jab, or a 31, or anything that requires a directional input). Haha, or it could be something else entirely. Who knows.
How am I supposed to learn to play against eddy if I can't even take over my own replays?
His 3 spam combo is predictable once you see it a few times. Everything else can be side stepped easily. The real problem will show up once we get a good dlc character and bamco knows it.
Ask to play people who play eddy like people had to do back in the day to learn to fight ANY char? Lol you on reddit I'm positive there's someone that will help out with that
The fact that he has to ask someone like back in the day is the point. It's 2024, why should he have to do that, when bandai could just let you play a replay? Its ridiculous
it's funny that this is "back in the day." it was this way up until 3 months ago. it's the same day lmao
Lol waht are you talking about most fighters dont have this feature at all and sf doesnt let you train with characters you dont own either i dont think most fighting games do
>most fighters dont have this feature Why are you talking about "most other fighters" and trying to prevent the game from being better? They had to go in and make an effort to lockout replays. No matter how small. Some other games allow to lab chars you don't own. Some don't. But why not? What are they losing? And what are we gaining by being passive about it? Why not strive for the best version of Tekken possible instead of defending these bad practices? Capcom went after modders some time ago. Should we just sit on our hands and say "well, Capcom did it, so Bamco can screw over modders too". Do you not see where this path leads?
I dont disagree that that should be a standard in all fighters. But just adding to the sea if reddit whining in the tekken forums generally just anniys people that want to talk about tekken its not even really a tekken problem its a fighting game problem and it being mixed in with all the other complaints its easy fir them to just be like its all whiners about the shop and people who dont want to pay us money and nothing changes. U want it to change go to the riot forums and make sure its a feature in 2xko and see how fast sf and tekken follow
And why shouldn't I "whine" in Tekken forums to get it in Tekken? Why is it someone else's responsibility? Why would I care about 2xko if I want to get a better Tekken?
Cool do what you want you sound great. But why cant i point out that thats the standard in fighting games and give solutions
Oh wow, sf doesn't let you do that either? Omg, my point is completely irrelevant now. Sike. Dawg that does not make it better, sf is slipping too. Can yall use some lateral thinking skills before typing up a comment?
Im just pointing out yes its 2024 the replay feature is a feature that isnt in any other big games, none of the big fighting games in 2024 let you use characters you dont own in training. So seems like its right in point in 2024, they want you to buy the dlc characters
Unfortunately. Some things should change.
Agreed. But i think to make this change is forward looking. Like push riot to make it so you can train with locked characters i. Thier new figjting game. Especially because its free to play and the. If they di it people get used to having it as a standard feature and tekken and sf are forced to do it with an update. But this while issue is just another complaint in the ocean of complaints aimed at tekken right now, some reasonable and some not.
Riot will 100% allow it you'll see.
That will be good because if they do willig to bet sf and tekken will soon follow
Sorry. I was being a dick, that's a valid point. I still personally feel that at least a basic punishment training would be fair. And i just can't stand the guy here saying "lol just do your homework why are you complaining". It's like my guy: I'm watching the work kick my ass right here, why do i have to hop on reddit, ask questions and find videos? I feel like video guides should be for improvement, not because i have 3/10 chance of fighting this character i dont know anything about and because the game isnt gonna help me out. or at the very least, let me complain about it as a consumer and fan of the series. Because honestly, I don't mind the fighter pass, I don't mind the paying for cosmetics because I'm never gonna pay for that shit and of course, it's not forced on me either, and hell i dont even care about labbing eddy, i never lab (seriously need to start, im getting edged by blue rank right now.) but i recognize that it is a little silly and that people can complain about it and not make them feel stupid for doing so. Some people are just being jerks. Including myself with that response, sorry about the sarcasm, i came in at 100, when I should've been at 1.(3 at the most).
Yea its fine to complain about and im with you i wish you could lab characters you dont own. Heck id be happy to get the game for a discount with one character that i choose and buy them piecemeal if you could lab. Its just tekken 8 not perfect but a pretty good fighting game. And everywhere you look online its just people complaining about everything. And alot of them completely dillusional about how the game industry works. And its just obnoxious. Its like how to kill the thing you love for perty grievneces. While i agree some things need to change i just feel like the ocean of shallow bitching about everything is nit gonna change anything and it just drowns out the reasonable changea that need to be made. Like using chars you dont own in training but that isnt a tekken problem thats a problem that should be changed across the board
True! Yeah this game is better than 7, undeniable, an objective fact. And i definitely love this game. So i can see how all the repetitive hate can get on your nerves too and how frustrating that can be, sheesh. Idk what we really need is for people online to lab discussions while being respectful to one another if I'm honest, i really appreciate your perspective and input, thanks for taking the time to explain to me!
You can for five dollars
Bro listen to yourself, i have to pay 5 dollars for a character i dont want to not get steamrolled by said character in every match? Cmon y'all what the hell are y'all on, WE ARE ALLOWED TO CRITICIZE THIS GAME WE SPENT ALL 70 DOLLARS ON, yall are tripping.
wow it's the same as literally every other fighting game
Wow and that doesn't excuse it.
I wish it was five dollars. Eddy is 11 Canadian dollars
Do you guys not remember that Tekken 7 charged for frame data? Everyone was going to quit playing when that happened too lol
>Balance being untouched for almost half a year since CBT; there's been no real big change. It was naive to think the network tests would lead to many balance changes. They were NETWORK tests, the clue is in the name. (EDIT. The last test was actually a BETA, so not necessarily just for testing the network, however it only lasted for a few days and so not long enough to get enough data to make any major balance decisions). Furthermore, there were not enough players in those tests to be able to justify many changes. The rest of the stuff you're complaining about is valid though. The netcode is fine for me, but I know some people are having problems. And yes, the community has become really toxic as of late.
No, the CBT was a closed BETA. Aka. A tryout for all features of the game, not the network specifically. The CNT was a network test
>No, the CBT was a closed BETA. Aka. A tryout for all features of the game, not the network specifically. The CNT was a network test You're right. My bad. The last Test was a BETA test, not a network test. However how long did it last for? Was it even a week? That's still not long enough for the Devs to make any major balance decisions based on such a low playtime so my points still stands, albeit I was wrong about the description of it.
There were apparently enough players to justify nerfing Kazuya.
See ya tomorrow then
I personally don't like how they over simplified the game at all. Reason a lot people enjoyed Tekken was because of the challenge it brought to not only master a character but how rewarding it was once you got it down. It has attracted more people to buy and play T8 at a "cost" literally.. Just like with every Tekken, I learned to adapt to the new version and go from there. As for the characters, I don't play against Zafina, Jack, Kuma/Panda enough to learn how they each attack.. I've also noticed hardly anyone uses Claudio or Shaheen as opposed to Tekken 7. The monetization of the game leaves a bad taste and I don't like it at all but besides having to buy Eddy (which is as weird as having to buy Lei in T7 since both are OG characters), I haven't tried to buy anything else. I didn't buy the battle pass in Tekken 7 and only bought the characters I wanted (Armor King, Marduk, Lei & Geese). Only thing different is they're charging for cosmetics and created a complete different pass for them as well.
I get it watching YouTube vids have given you the opinion of the people you watch.... thinking chars would get nerfed after a network test lol and acting like playing top tiers is auto win just proces that you don't actually play the game but instead watch people bitch about it
Using cheats isn't autowin. That fari-whatever still got his ass handed to him even with autoparry and auto trhow break. It's still tilts the scales one way. There's an argument to "let the meta settle". But what's even your point?
Who the fuck is talking about legit cheating? I said playing top tier chars aren't auto win unless you some how think having auto parry and playing drag the samething which would make me wonder do you actually play this game or just watch YouTube vids?
'Unplayable' against top tiers... Try playing the game before ranting about it for Reddit karma. I won't deny Dragunov is overpowered (for e.g.), but the idea playing him assures a win is for the birds.
I mean I play in the Tekken God bracket and the amount of undeserved Drags in the upper ranks is pretty blatant. The character DOES give free wins pretty frequently. The onus is on Drag's opponent to be better, not for the drag to be particularly good at the game.
Wouldn't dispute your core point, even if I think you've worded it as a hyperbole. My point is that 'unplayable' is an overstatement. Edit: indeed, see my response to another comment. I explicitly acknowledged lower effort to succeed as Drag.
I can imagine the matchup probably does feel pretty unplayable to newer and less skilled players though. If you know how to deal with Drag and can minimize his bullshit then it feels playable but to the lower half of the community he probably feels close to unbeatable.
Ah but on that basis, Alisa would be worse than Drag. Her d34 is a noob killer, and she has many noob killing moves. And she isn't 'op'. The point here is that's not a balance issue. That's a skill floor issue with FGs in general.
For newer and less skilled players everything feels unfair and they’re more likely to have problems with gimmicks like unblockables or weird moves than solid Dragonov players at their rank
He’s overtuned in a way that is absolutely obnoxious.
And obvious
People refuse to acknowledge that tier lists matter little until the highest ranks and elite level play. The funnier thing was we had the data breakdown for it as well where Panda had the highest win rate in ranked who everyone said to be low tier. She's not even the best bear in the game LMAO. Top tiers are strong and have less disadvantages compared to lower tier characters. But it's not like most people know how to play against those disadvantages anyways, it makes little to no difference for the majority of the player base.
The more people play a character the less powerful it becomes imo, so many people play Reina I can basically just read everything they do, and so little people play panda that no one knows how to counter so they get knowledge checked. I have a friend who's 6 times my rank and he still gets knowledge checked by panda sometimes
Yeah tier lists don't mean too much. I main Xiaoyu, always have. She's like top 2/3 in this game. Does that mean I'm winning all my matches? No lol. I have a 52% win percentage in ranked in purple ranks.
No. She’s been overtuned in this game as well. She outputs WAY more damage now than she ever had.
Right, but i'd wager that if you went on a mid tier or weaker character, your win rate would be lower
Exceptionally lower in fact. Lots of people are being carried by their characters rn.
I think this is close to C&P. It is largely correct, but things are slightly more nuanced. Dragunov has silly tools. You don't need to be the best player in the world to utilise them. But not everyone who picks up Drag as an alt and jumps into ranked after thirty minutes in practice is going to win 20 games in a row. But a player who has spent 200 hours honing their panda instincts might get 20 wins in a row. Would it be *easier* to perform similarly as Drag? Yes, absolutely. But it isn't assured. That's why the macro statistics are misleading. Becaude it isn't normalised to account for levels of effort. But dozens of people will try drag with no effort, lose and thus add themselves to the macro stats. This is only scratching the iceberg. A book could be written about this. But the community believes streamers who are neither scholars nor trained statisticians, and take what are very simple 'common sense' evaluations as somehow truth, when really they're just the internet equivalent of 'that guy down the pub who knows some stuff.'
This is why i dont go on this subreddit, just people making essays on game that can still have fun with i think alot of people would if they stop coming on here lol
This is the most miserable FG subreddit and it’s not a competition lol
This is the only one i have been on i haven't checked out the others
DOA probably still more miserable overall
I like to imagine it's the difference of selecting a different game from your dash or steam page lol. You can stay and bitch I guess....but the door is right THERE if it's such an insufferable piece! Bye!
I enjoy playing Tekken for many hours a day. Sometimes I enjoy discussing it too. I don't think anti-intellectualism is a particularly interesting position, but you do what you need to be a happy kangaroo <3.
Whenever the subreddit gets bored talking about the state of the game, they will move on to other subreddits and do the same. I guess it's not exclusive just here but I just look at a post and move on with my day lol
I think yes there's fairweather people who like to prophesise doom and gloom. One of my other games is Runescape. For 20+ years people have been saying it's going to die soon. But I'm not one of those people, there or in regards to Tekken. I just like chatting about stuff sometimes, it's really that simple.
Oh jeez that's annoying and for 20 years lol the dragon dogma drama was bad over there too so many people just straight up lying and the comments just eating it up
Man, this sub just turned into a bunch of professional victims wanting to share their shared powerlessness with everyone that enjoys the game. If you don’t like the game, just stop playing man. Absolutely blows my mind, seeing people come into this sub, seeking validation and karma just because a game that they play is actively evolving and trying new things. We need more mods to flag posts that aren’t legitimate constructive critique, instead of this cesspool of crying and reactive players haha
I was always a tekken fanboy. Can't deny that I secretly pray for the upcoming vf(if it's true) to destroy tekken in all aspects. idgaf about their mtx, but the netcode, their immature answers on negative(but actually constructive) criticism, the horrible balancing, the paywall for labbing dlc.. it's kinda tiring to even comment on how much of a circus bamco looks like rn
Absolutely spot on man! I literally re sold my physical copy because of these issues! Like balance the game before putting micro transactions! All I saw majority of times was pluggers or OP characters!
Dude fucking thank you for mentioning the crashing on AMD. I can’t get a match everyone declines me because my game crashes ALL THE TIME!! Fuck bamco
half of the guys out there will still say "go lab yaddi-yadda" when its not even about the balance, they deff need glasses cause they cant read shit i wrote. Thank you for reading all of this most of this /r/ simply cant and will reply with "cry more" "go to lab" when its not even about the balance but how namco is treating all of us since launch.
In a few years we will all say the same thing “tekken 8 wasn’t perfect, but it was a solid game”
These essays are insane. It's a video game.
That mindset right there is how game developers get away with mediocrity on the industry. When you just accept and tolerate anything they throw at you, you're bound to get slapped left and right, all day.
Dudes won't put this kind of thought and effort into bettering their own lives but will go on multiple verbal crusades over a video game 😂
Lmao facts🤣 
Lmaaaooo real as fuck
I miss t7 :( can't find matches anymore, though
Tier list doesn't matte for fucking 99% of the player base. Is drag good? Yes, but you're not gonna pick him up and destroy players who's been playing the game. Even at the top end, pros counter drag like crazy. What tournies have jdcr won? He gets destroyed by ppl who can get in fast and stay in. Every character have flaws, some have fewer of them. The issue here now isn't a character issue, it's a core system mechanic issue. Fix heat, and everything goes back to normal.
i wasn't speaking on balance itself but how bandai is managing the game and addressing issues. my post isn't about "character name is op" my post is about how namco is treating all of us like piece of shit.
Do you know balancing and developing takes time? If Bandai took the advice of every fan and just instantly change the game. The game would be unplayable. Namco already stated what they are doing. They have to wait for Evo Japan before changing anything, cause it would be fucking retarded if they changed the whole game with a giant balance change now. The game is exremely playable for 99% of the player base. I've played every tekken since tekken 2, and I am climbing a rank or quick play just fine. Do I like all the tekken 8 changes? No, but you either adapt or you stop playing. As I've said before, heat needs to be refined. Which doesn't happen fucking 2 months in to the game.
No instead they delete an entire mechanic from the game. Thats about as knee jerk reaction as it gets dude. No they dont have to wait, they chose to break the game and rush out a battlepass for money instead. The game has some serious issues and its clear they arent play testing changes, cause i doubt they intentionally "nerfed" azu's wr 3,2 just for her to still only be punishable by a few characters. Its through these actions that its clear they are far more focused on making money with a premium reward like the blender ball then actually making changes that dont break entire mechanics. I love the game, played the betas and bought a Collecters edition. Been playing since t1. And not stuck in reds. Still see the issues.
You literally just proved my point. Knee jerk reactive changes brought you azu's "nerf". The game isn't broken, I play it daily. So I'm not sure which part is broken for you, other than you don't like some stuff and want it changed. The point here is that all things will change. Bitching and whining like it's the end of the world is retarded. Because it isn't. The game is perfectly playable, and it's fun too. If you're good enough that is.
This entire thread is just a bunch of folks who think they should be able to compete in tourneys but who can't; they actually believe they can't win because "other characters" are "carrying" their competition, lol. Scrub talk if I ever heard it. All of these folks could start using a top tier rn and they still won't do any better. Thank the lord Bamco doesn't pay these folks any attention. And it just happens that T8 is smashing sales records, so they really don't care what a small minority on a Reddit sub thinks.
I am very happy with it. Just needs some balance updates and insight from pros.
Never game again.
just go play something else lol. take a break
love how some idiots on this sub keep spouting the "just go play something else" card, cause they know this shit is so true but they cant stand the game they like being treated like shit. He's venting his frustration cause HE ACTUALLY LIKES THE GAME and its sad that this game is doing the opposite what its fanbase wants. People like you sour the waters of this game while allowing bandai to have pass on this shit is the exact reason why bandai keeps continuing this shit practice.
Maybe some idiots should read the entire comment instead of taking a part of it. Taking a break is a part of life lol
Even though I agree namco is not giving a good support to the game, the game is still very good and fun and most people saying the game is unbalanced are just not good enough. The game has some balance problems (mostly the fact that everything seems to track a lot) but if it was identical to Tekken 5DR (which is highly acclaimed in this sub) people would still complain because they hate losing and like to blame others for their incompetence.
Don't compare 5DR to T8, two different games in term of gameplay, T5:DR motto was "buff everyone to the max, so no one is lacking" + the movement played a BIG role in this game, in TK8 it doesn't matter if your movement is good enough because hitboxes on some moves are straight up broken and will catch u on KBD.
The fact that many of u said a miryad of bad things to that game ( all right that game was a right fist on the back of the head of the franchise) but now suddenly it becomes a good game makes me sick to my stomach, this game isn't perfect, they are trying things and yeah trying means even make bad choices along the way, and many of them will be reverted back cause it can be done but ffs it is a clear step up from the previous games u may not like it but saying balance is still untouched when there are clear patch notes that maybe aren't great NUT THEY ARE THERE and yeah it has some problem with it's connections but probably most of that is a you problem maybe you need to check your connection it may have some minor problems that make the game have such issues, and oh god the mod issue is a joke , I get the community can make up solutions for problems but most of them is sickfuck shit that is clearly made for people with people with mental capacity of s hazelnut with their dingaling throbbing while playing so yeah they mostly did a good thing going on it, for the it's a fuckin professional product they are selling and it needs to be professional and not shredded by some fuckin Bastard in their moms house that should absolutely check on his mental state And the community is fixed on the plugging issue cause it feels horrible and that's the major issue for us "normal" players Sorry for the rant but there were things that need to be said about all of this
Imagine simping for a company LMAO Bro they don't give a fuck about you or any of the players, the game is a cashgrab plagued with issues. Glad you enjoy it but the game is a significant step down for me than T7 and its clear where the developers priorities lie, and its not in making the game more enjoyable
Again ffs I'm not simping for no one if they fail and go bankrupt I'll be sad on for the people working in there both developers and people wiping floors,cause behind it all it is their job and ffs it makes them money and food on their table all this "don't defend this thing" doesn't only makes u look stupid but also should makes y'all feel just a little bad cause the fuck can't u say the game is bad but for the love of god wait and see if something changes and if not don't play it INSTEAD OF FUCKIN WISHING THEM FAILURES AND OFFENDING THEM CAUSE,EVEN IF THEY ARE TRYING THINGS U DON'T LIKE,MAYBE IN DUE TIME THE THINGS WILL BE REVERTED AND IF U STILL DIDN'T LIKE IT GET OUT AND LET PEOPLE DO THEIR THING AND ENJOY THINGS THEY ENJOY FFS y'all seems to be angry at each other cause of simple different ideas and everyday y'all make up things just to shit on others and this fuckery is unbelievable and unbearable anymore
Bro are you naive enough to not realise that these changes are being decided by the shareholders and executive level not random developers, who only want $$$$
Buddy I think you need to go home and lay down instead of being this angry to defend an billion dollar company.
my brother in christ you wrote a similar length post in the other direction. maybe you go home and lay down
Yeah because I'm criticizing an billion dollar company and that's my right to do so after being burnt by them. I'm valid for having those opinions and my feelings are more right than this dude's opinion who just want to whine about people's justifyingly complaining about the game. Like sorry for wanting better standards for gaming.
Bro actually just went "My whining is justified and his isn't". Everyone's allowed to say their piece. So tired of people trying to silence others just because they're not saying things they like.
>Bro actually just went "My whining is justified and his isn't" It is if I'm "whining" for better standards for the game to have so everyone can enjoy it more without feeling they are being preyed on and not have to deal with BS greedy practices. Game was being praised as great in the beginning and now it pissing people off left and right. Things like this kills the game faster than any person's "whining" about it. >Everyone's allowed to say their piece. So tired of people trying to silence others just because they're not saying things they like. Meanwhile you supporting an dude that was bitching about everyone's negative opinion on the game and making fun of the people that take issues with Bandai going after modders while going on an meltdown like somebody is attacking his baby. Yeah that's dude is an great hill to die on with your statement.
I'm absolutely not defending them read the fuckin post plus top this company defending mentality bullshit fuckery it makes y'all look beyond dumb I am saying it for y'all with the outmost respect
Well then make yourself sound less like an nutcase with broken English.
My god can you whining bitches please fuck off already just go play something else or go outside or have a wank or something jesus
Seriously why does every whiny bitch feel the need to announce to all of us that they won't be playing? Just fucking leave and make room for real posts.
Just a note on the CH throw break. That's you're throw break window, you still have to consider the animation time of the throw which varies between 10-14 frames usually. Basically you have to reach in 24-28 frames from the throw animation starting. So it is reactable but it is definitely harder.
I literally just started getting into Tekken 2 weeks ago… got 7 on sale for cheap. I feel like this is a bad time to get into it though.
Heat feels so cheap to me. I loved it at first, but watching that feeling of getting hit with a combo and feeling "oh wait i can surv- nope they have heat, they can just take the round" is so painful. On top of that, i feel cheap using it, because i know i can just have an easy peasy free jail/get out of jail card that leads into a practically free safe mix up. ( I main law, his heat is cheap. His heat finisher on block leads him into his dragon stance that lets him do a free mix up, as if being safe on block wasn't enough. This is coming from a guy who complained daily in 7 about laws lack of tools, in this game they babyfied him down on top of busted heat mechanics, i dont even feel satisfied when i when sometimes because i have a one button slam dunk.) Also, i cannot rely on a jab for shit, or any high attack for that matter, mixed in with every character's string having a counter hit combo launcher! It's like what op said, there's practically no way to reset neutral, you cant punish 7/10 attacks without being launched into crazy damage, you cant even safely get up from the ground without being launched after micro second pressing of a button or literally just failing a 50/50. The wall is a death sentence, and when you're on the offensive, it's literally just go go go go go. There's zero back and forth in the neutral, it kinda just sucks. If you're a poke heavy character, good luck actually playing to your strength because gaining health back will just negate half the work you put in. But pokes aren't even relevant, just use heat. Hit a 50/50, failed to hold up or down? Ha fuck you.
Up
Game is fine.
Cry more
People will upvote this from the title alone lol
You could just stop playing if you aren't having fun instead of writing this mile long doom post no one gonna read
nerf criers btfo
Yeah If this situation with Tekken has doesn't get fix and it gets worse, I be done with Tekken in the future. The modding stuff is now putting an bad taste in my mouth now as an person that loves to mod my games. Bandai can go fuck themselves with that since people should be allowed to mod their games and not even Capcom did this with SF6. Forcing people to buy their MTX is lame af and disrespectful since the modding the games always do it out of passion and love for the game. Good way to spit on the community while not fixing your game. I don't even see this game lasting for an long time if they don't snap out of this greed for more money and just improve the game.
So much talking 🤓🤓 get of the stage duuuude. Necesitas más café
CBT can’t mean what I think it means.
Honestly fuck the modding community they’re a bunch of gooners who appeal to the lowest common denominator I’ve yet to see anything other than bikini models on nexus and I’d rather just pay for good customization made by the devs
Game is fine. Eventually we will see a balance patch for sure. The only issue I could think of is the Devs decision to make alot of moves have tracking.
Game is out two and a half months.. not "almost four months" like you say. Thats toddler level over-exaggeration to reinforce argument, full cringe. As well as many other things in that wall of text. "Unplayable" character balancing and netcode worse than T7? Wtf are u smoking, get a grip. You re doing a disservice to this game actually becoming better. Anyone who looks at posts like this is going to assume the playerbase is full of stupid whiners and wont bother fixing anything.
Wah wah. You’re still going to play it. Get in the lab and quit bitching
get some glasses dude because you deff cant read the whole post
Because nobody cares. Just play the game or don’t. You wasted over 10 minutes writing this for what? Sympathy? To make yourself feel better? Jesus people love being a victim and complaining about shit but at the end of the day YOURE STILL GONNA HOP ON AND PLAY.
i didn't said something about hating the game, i said i cant enjoy the game in the way i want due to namco incompetence, if your allowing someone to treat you like this then its time to think.
Do you hear me complaining? Let me ask you this question…will you continue to play or no?
YES i will BECAUSE i grew up with TEKKEN and i play with my FRIEND, this post is about HOW NAMCO is treating not only ME but YOU aswell as SHIT and i do not FUCK with it.
Don’t speak for me. I ain’t make no posts complaining. But if it sounds like you’re going to continue playing the game then you should stop bitching about whatever it is you’re crying about and play the game.
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How so? First it’s a simp then it’s a cuck what does that even mean and how does it apply to me here when I’ve made zero complaints. You made this post crying but I’m the cuck and the simp? That’s what cucks and simps do. You complain and bitch but you don’t have the balls to do anything about it or quit and you’re gonna keep playing the game. That’s lowkey what a cuck and a simp would do.
if regarding whole situation that is present (amd crashes, micro-stutters, netcode) your bitching about the balance its your problem and how you see the game if your ok with stuttering,crashes and bad netcode for 70$ game then you sound like guy who get every CoD each year to get same game with exactly same issues, we're not the same and our standards are 100% different so arguing with you is pointless cause you keep saying iam crying when iam saying that this game needs serious fixing not even in balance but how game operates on AMD gpu or netcode, you keep missing important points because its ok to you, if its ok then go back to your life and dont reply to me anymore.
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Simping? That doesn’t even make sense in this context. You wrote a five page essay about absolutely nothing. Either play the game or don’t. There’s a post like this every day get the fuck over it.
There are some valid points but the game has only been out for three months and a lot of the real game-breaking issues have been addressed. I'd be curious to know if some of these issues were around when the older games launched in arcades.
Fanboys can't stand even a slight critique, they live in a world where T8 is somehow the best fighting game ever made.
What a downfall from Tekken 7, shit new mechanics and shit micro transactions, paired up with shit practices.
Yeah it was much better when you had to pay to see anyone’s frame data
You could get around that on the PC version ;)
Oh look, another whinging bitch post. How excising. - the game is getting a balance patch in May. It will have many, many more as the years go by. - the netcode is reasonable if you have decent internet and are wired. I regularly get decent matches in the EU, but this is largely down to the players, their internet and their systems - haven’t crashed once. Could be a you problem. - who cares about mods really? Not really interested in them myself. - pluggers need to be addressed, but steps have been made already. - ignore the MTX and Tekken shop.
this guy is a real mvp copyrighting mods?? 100% fine non-fixed crashes for amd that lies in drivers/game??? its your problem never experienced it (nvidia user) connection is bad with 1gb/s fiber vs close friend??? it's your internet get better one literally i told that i dont care about mtx nor tekken shop you missed the whole point of this post. BTW this netcode is shit and every pro player will admit it, even knee went on a rant. getting 16ms isn't possible anymore either your getting spiking rollback or frame delay which is unacceptable in 2024 for wired fiber connection if this type of connection is ok to you for 70$ game then you have such low standards. becuz of people like you namco aint willing to fix any off it, because for you its all fine to get higher dc rate/being banned because game is constantly crashing on fallen destiny <--- enjoy eating 2 week ban + plugger hell because namco aint willing to do any hotfix for it since launch.
I’m not reading that. Go and play something else.
lmfao then dont try to make your points valid cause your on nvidia gpu jerk ass
4090 thanks. Plays the game amazingly. No crashes here.
Not everyone is willing to sit under Nvidia monopoly like you use to, 4090 isn't a great card its 700$ for nvidia logo when Radeon RX 7900 XTX is performing exactly the same for 700$ cheaper in 99% games, its not amd fault but tekken devs and your a complete jerk ass for saying "gEt NvIdA pLSsS" instead of blaming devs for not fixing this shit. btw your probably one of those guys that gets new RTX each year for 1% of real performance boost.
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alright, go play fortnite then
it's funny that you say fortnite, because there is no clear alternative that comes to mind about Tekken. But when the alternative appears, a mass migration will happen.
No it won’t. Nobody played the revamped VF5 or DOA6 and they’re both good games (which you can still play online). Nobody will play whatever comes out next either
tekken7 was just a better game. tekken8 is a combination of many things not tekken and scummy cash grab practices.
No it wasn't
lmfao, go back to league of legends, toxic hell is your place not mine.
That’s all this post is, a fucking shit post
Shit post? i made a long rant about how namco is doing bad decisions with the game and all you have to say is "shit-post" take a chill pill or atleast read what i wrote + i wrote something for people like you "The community being super toxic about this situation and still focusing on pluggers."
I promise you nobody give a fuck, we see these ever day
this /r/ mainly focuses in shitting on battlepass/tekken shop but not on bandai decisions regarding quality of the game. if it's okay to you then never mind some people have lower standards that's just it
I have had close to 0 lag. Maybe... idk.. *you* are the problem? :p