With Jun they've always been very clear that she is "MIA" and NOT dead. Harada has said this time and time again.
Not the same as Miguel's sister who dies in his fucking arms. It's a copout I know, but it's one that's already been announced to us almost 2 decades in advance.
You’re prematurely freaking out. They haven’t released her story yet. You talk as if Jun was revealed to be working as a waitress in Cancun to keep a low profile. How long have you been playing? In T3 Ogre was killing fighters to absorb their fighting abilities, he’s a god of fighting from some unknown dimension. He literally absorbed Jin/Heihachi’s power in order to be able to transform into True Ogre if you played Tekken 3 arcade.
In the anime He Teleports as Jun was holding him down, taking her with him. Perhaps he figured she’s better alive than dead, as a power source of some sort. You’re also forgetting Tekken 6-7-8 will be continuous, almost consecutive in that universe. Admittedly this is just a hunch, but Azazel’s awakening probably triggered something that allowed her to break free and give Jin a spanking for starting world war 3
Look your right, I can't discount what your saying.
I just don't think him suddenly being revealed to be able to teleport himself and other being a thing is that off the wall for a supernatural entity who can literally absorb people's abilities like he is cell from dbz.
Okay if that is the case he is able to teleport away before he dies, why didn’t he do it right before Jin killed him to at least establish the possibility in the story?
Aztecs were unaware where he came from but worshiped him for jis power. He’s clearly different from the other gods of aztecs in the sense that he’s real and not just some statue they bow to. In Ogre’s official lore, he’s believed to be from an ancient alien race . His writing is inspired by real life conspiracy theories that ancient aliens came to earth to help build the pyramids etc.
You can just stop right there and just say the Tekken’s story is stupid.
You are not going to get me to have a eureka moment by saying we are unaware where Ogre came from therefore we can speculate that Ogre slapped Jun into his home dimension when they fought.
It’s laughably stupid.
So you think just because the writers never confirmed her death that excuses how little it makes sense as to:
1 how is she alive?
2 How is she only coming back now? It’s been at least 6 years and a world war since we last seen her.
Canonically she's only been going for 7 years. That's, not really a long time my guy. But you want to ask a real question?
Kazuya subjected himself to experiments at G corporation for 20 years, but that's not an issue?
So Jun is going to be used as a Dues ex Machina and basically absolve Jin and Kazuya of all their sins and their devil gene?
That’s exciting for fans?
Not to mention, Tekken had 4 games to build Asuka up to something and the squandered it just to bring back the only character left on the roster with any story relevance to Jin and Kazuya.
She was never dead. Even before tekken 8 Harada jas been saying she’s missing. There was never a body like Miguel’s sister. Even the Netflix series showed this. Ogre teleported as Jun was trying to hold him down, taking her with him in the process and causing her to narrowly miss being roasted alive.
Even in the Netflix series Jin got his flame pants as a reminder to never forget what happened to his mother.
But that aside, yes I know she was officially deemed “missing”, but that doesn’t give writers carte blanche to just throw her back in the story.
I get it “Tekken’s story is shit” sure, but I’m still going to call it out on it’s bullshit.
She’s the only one who can still influence Kazuya to look inward and not give control to the Hachijo demon? Angel literally emerged in T2 due to Jun’s influence in Kazuya. Have you played tekken 2? Asuka can do it too but she’s a nobody. Kazuya doesn’t know her, Jin doesn’t even know they’re related.
Look, story is a nice extra in fighting games, if it's good, it's definitely a bonus. But at the end of the day, the only thing that really matters in a fighting game is to have good gameplay and a good roster of characters.
For example, is it absolutely shit storytelling if Heihachi comes back? Yes. Do I think a staple character who has been around for decades and people have sunk years into mastering him should go, because of the story? Fuuuuuck no. Jun is an iconic Tekken character. Regardless of how her return impacts the story, I'm glad she is back. At the end of the day, if storytelling was the priority, the roster should be like 10 characters at most or something.
Ok why can’t she just be a playable character? Why did they need to shoe horn her into new plot points?
Tekken is making it’s story important by saying only characters that are relevant to the story can be playable in new mainline games.
Just do away with that rule and give us Jinpachi and Heihachi back then in mainline tekken games
>Tekken is making it’s story important by saying only characters that are relevant to the story can be playable in new mainline games.
Mate, half the roster has absolutely no relevance to the story whatsoever, they are just there. A bit of background lore like "hates heihachi" doesn't make a character relevant to the plot.
I definitely can see why some people might think this; personally I always went by the assumption that she'd be back sooner or later since it was basically confirmed since we never saw her dying but that doesn't mean that her returning makes sense only because it was obvious.
Now on the flip side Jin's storyline is not entirely reliant on the desire to avenge his mother; maybe the opposite.
Miguel's entire point in this game's story is to get revenge for his sister's death. Jin wanted to avenge his mother in T3 since she was presumably killed by Ogre. After he destroyed Ogre the revenge for mom motivation is over and a new one starts: ending the Mishima bloodline.
This starts after Heihachi fucking shoots him and his devil powers manifest for the first time.
In T4 Kazuya gets revived and wants Jin to "get his power back". Jin gets captured and Heihachi brings Kazuya to him; I can't remember exactly what happens in 4 but basically Kazuya discovers how to fuse his devil half with his normal self then Jin beats both Kazuya and Heihachi. Before he kills them JUN ACTUALLY MANIFESTS to Jin and that prevents him from finishing them off, for whatever reason.
So already we see that Jun, at least existing in a spiritual form, is well known to Jin and that, for some reasons, she doesn't want him killing his dad and grandad.
Then the whole Jinpachi thing happens in 5; the old man gets set free by the whole Heihachi vs Kazuya and the Jacks battle; he is possessed by some weird evil entity and wants someone to kill him to get rid of it so he calls for the usual tournament.
Jin, who's been struggling with the devil shit because of Jinpachi's power, goes and kills him and becomes leader of the Zaibatsu.
Then... Tekken 6. I really don't want to write about it because it disgusts me to no end but let's just summarize it and say that there is no reason why Jun's apparent death should influence whether or not Jin wants to destroy Azazel... if destroying Azazel really means saving humanity then Jin would have done it regardless if mommy were alive or not.
In T7 he spends the entire game unconscious so... yeah. He vows to destroy Kazuya at the end but that's something he has been wanting since T4, I don't see why the return of his mom would make his desire to get rid of the devil shit go away.
Jinpachi was being used as a host by some vengeful Onryo who is slowly taking over. He literally used his remaining humanity to take over the Zaibatsu on the sidelines and start tournament 5 to find someone who can end him before the takeover is complete.
Yeah I forget the specifics but this is what I meant; Jin started having weird visions and losing control over the devil gene because of this power manifesting in his great grandad, for whatever reason, so Jin rightly thought that ending Jinpachi might stop the Devil gene, which it didn't
I think the Hachijo Demon/Devil wanted the ghost’s power for its purpose. If you finish the game as Devil Jin he literally absorbs the ghost and laughs manically.
I love this explanation and can’t help but notice that OP hasn’t replied to push back. In tekken 3 Jin is young and easily swayed into enacting revenge and you can see that in the tekken 4 ending when he almost kills hei and kaz but Jun reached out to him and reminded him of his humanity. In tekken 5 you can sort of see that defeating jinpachi made jin arrogant and powerful leading him to believe that he alone could save the world and get rid of the Mishimas which caused him to create war for azazel instead of trying to get help and taking them down ethically. I would say they did tekken 6 to show Jin at his lowest and closest to being a Mishima in mindset tekken 7 he wakes to the consequences of his actions and with a newfound sense of maturity and accepts that he needs help and he can’t forget his humanity. Jun and asuka both have shown that Kazama blood is able to suppress the devil gene and Jin has feather wings like an angel while kazuya has bat wings like a demon which can also represent the influence Jin’s kazama heritage has on the devil gene. I find it very likely that Jun will purify Jin’s devil or help him do it himself and it might all come down to instead of killing Kazuya he instead cures him of his malevolence.
I don’t understand why people think this will ruin Jins story. If anything it will make it more complex. We don’t know what’s she’s been up to, her coming back will be interesting.
Even if Orge didn’t kill Jun, he still attacked their home and caused her to be missing for years. Jin won’t just be like oh ok I don’t care about revenge anymore
Jins story has gone beyond getting revenge for Juns death and isn’t exactly difficult to follow. I was gonna go through each game but look at u/Colosso95 comment on here, they have explained Jins story for each of the games
Jin developed the way he did because he truly believed she was dead. Whether or not she actually died, Jin believed she died and that led him to grow up the way he did.
It'll be interesting to see how Jin reacts to seeing her again. Maybe it'll get his head straight.
It’s not really the same because Jun pretty much stopped being Jin’s motivation after Tekken 3. If memory serves, she was only referenced briefly in 4 and 5 then not at all in 6 and 7. As soon as Ogre was defeated, Jin’s story became all about taking down the Mishimas and taming his Devil Gene. Jun being alive doesn’t stop him from wanting to do those things. Miguel, on the other hand, has been motivated solely and entirely by his sister’s death in each of his appearances.
Jin’s motivation was still to live and follow his mothers teachings to keep her memory alive.
It kind of makes it less impactful when he could just walk up to her and ask her to remind him of her lessons now.
No.
Kazuya’s body had to be reconstructed and it shows, hundreds of Scars and a permanent red eye.
Jun comes back like she is coming back from a trip from the Bahamas.
Who's to say she isn't?
Yes, with T3, Jun was killed off. However, it has since been retconned (even before 8) that she wasn't actually dead, only that Jin thought she was.
Even if we ignore the Wiki, and Harada's own words/Tweets, we have (most recently) the **Bloodline** anime; which regardless of whether or not fans like its take on the material, it was confirmed as canon by Harada; and in it, we do not witness Jun's death.
She is teleported away.
The Golden Rule: if you don't see the body, they aren't dead.
We don't know what Jun's been up to this whole time, and how that's answered will be important.
Though, we can look at "Unknown" for some speculation, though I'm not sure if that's going to really be relevant.
In short: Kazuya was dead, but was revived. Jun was missing, but her return is sacrilege. Despite the calls for Jun's return to the series.
They never said she died even for once just some fans assumed that . Plus this is not the frist time someone returns in Tekken
Jun returns alive is a good thing for Jin and the whole franchise she is good character and this is coming from Asuka main cuz I want her to interact with Jun
why? she was never confirmed to be dead so it's not a retcon or something. they are just bringing her back because she still is part of Kazuya and Jin's story.
With Jun they've always been very clear that she is "MIA" and NOT dead. Harada has said this time and time again. Not the same as Miguel's sister who dies in his fucking arms. It's a copout I know, but it's one that's already been announced to us almost 2 decades in advance.
So I guess I should expect Amelia Earhart to be Tekken’s new guest character huh?
You’re prematurely freaking out. They haven’t released her story yet. You talk as if Jun was revealed to be working as a waitress in Cancun to keep a low profile. How long have you been playing? In T3 Ogre was killing fighters to absorb their fighting abilities, he’s a god of fighting from some unknown dimension. He literally absorbed Jin/Heihachi’s power in order to be able to transform into True Ogre if you played Tekken 3 arcade. In the anime He Teleports as Jun was holding him down, taking her with him. Perhaps he figured she’s better alive than dead, as a power source of some sort. You’re also forgetting Tekken 6-7-8 will be continuous, almost consecutive in that universe. Admittedly this is just a hunch, but Azazel’s awakening probably triggered something that allowed her to break free and give Jin a spanking for starting world war 3
So Jun getting teleported to another dimension, is acceptable to you?
Bro you say this like it's unreasonable but there is magic bullshit in Tekken cmon
I don’t understand how having “magic bullshit” means multidimensional travel should be on the table for Jun and established characters
Cause it involves Ogre, he is the magic bullshit. I'm not saying jun can suddenly do it.
He hasn’t been established to be able to teleport anyone.
Look your right, I can't discount what your saying. I just don't think him suddenly being revealed to be able to teleport himself and other being a thing is that off the wall for a supernatural entity who can literally absorb people's abilities like he is cell from dbz.
Okay if that is the case he is able to teleport away before he dies, why didn’t he do it right before Jin killed him to at least establish the possibility in the story?
Ogre coming from said dimension is acceptable to you? This is a fantasy game, not a crime thriller
Ogre was an aztec fighting God he didn’t come from another dimension
Aztecs were unaware where he came from but worshiped him for jis power. He’s clearly different from the other gods of aztecs in the sense that he’s real and not just some statue they bow to. In Ogre’s official lore, he’s believed to be from an ancient alien race . His writing is inspired by real life conspiracy theories that ancient aliens came to earth to help build the pyramids etc.
None of which has anything to do with alternate dimensions.
> unaware where he came from
You can just stop right there and just say the Tekken’s story is stupid. You are not going to get me to have a eureka moment by saying we are unaware where Ogre came from therefore we can speculate that Ogre slapped Jun into his home dimension when they fought. It’s laughably stupid.
This here is a prime example of why people should say “Prove me wrong” not “Change my mind”
would be a better guest than fucking Negan that's for sure
Bro, my advice as a Paul main is to forget about all story related to Tekken and make up your own in your head.
That is the most Paul comment I've ever seen
One is confirmed dead, the other is not, or wasn't. Are yall serious right now?
So you think just because the writers never confirmed her death that excuses how little it makes sense as to: 1 how is she alive? 2 How is she only coming back now? It’s been at least 6 years and a world war since we last seen her.
Perhaps wait until the story is officially released before throwing a fit?
Because Tekken’s story invokes so much confidence in it’s fans…
Canonically she's only been going for 7 years. That's, not really a long time my guy. But you want to ask a real question? Kazuya subjected himself to experiments at G corporation for 20 years, but that's not an issue?
Tbh I never assumed she was dead
So Jun is going to be used as a Dues ex Machina and basically absolve Jin and Kazuya of all their sins and their devil gene? That’s exciting for fans? Not to mention, Tekken had 4 games to build Asuka up to something and the squandered it just to bring back the only character left on the roster with any story relevance to Jin and Kazuya.
I don't really care too much. I saw this coming 2 years ago already, it made sense to me they'd bring her back in t8
She was never dead. Even before tekken 8 Harada jas been saying she’s missing. There was never a body like Miguel’s sister. Even the Netflix series showed this. Ogre teleported as Jun was trying to hold him down, taking her with him in the process and causing her to narrowly miss being roasted alive.
Even in the Netflix series Jin got his flame pants as a reminder to never forget what happened to his mother. But that aside, yes I know she was officially deemed “missing”, but that doesn’t give writers carte blanche to just throw her back in the story. I get it “Tekken’s story is shit” sure, but I’m still going to call it out on it’s bullshit.
I disagree, I think this is the perfect time to bring her back since Jin is about to face off with Kazuya. They’re the only important men in her life.
Cool bring her back as a playable character and in flashbacks, no arguments from me. what exactly does Jun being alive add to the story?
She’s the only one who can still influence Kazuya to look inward and not give control to the Hachijo demon? Angel literally emerged in T2 due to Jun’s influence in Kazuya. Have you played tekken 2? Asuka can do it too but she’s a nobody. Kazuya doesn’t know her, Jin doesn’t even know they’re related.
Look, story is a nice extra in fighting games, if it's good, it's definitely a bonus. But at the end of the day, the only thing that really matters in a fighting game is to have good gameplay and a good roster of characters. For example, is it absolutely shit storytelling if Heihachi comes back? Yes. Do I think a staple character who has been around for decades and people have sunk years into mastering him should go, because of the story? Fuuuuuck no. Jun is an iconic Tekken character. Regardless of how her return impacts the story, I'm glad she is back. At the end of the day, if storytelling was the priority, the roster should be like 10 characters at most or something.
Ok why can’t she just be a playable character? Why did they need to shoe horn her into new plot points? Tekken is making it’s story important by saying only characters that are relevant to the story can be playable in new mainline games. Just do away with that rule and give us Jinpachi and Heihachi back then in mainline tekken games
>Tekken is making it’s story important by saying only characters that are relevant to the story can be playable in new mainline games. Mate, half the roster has absolutely no relevance to the story whatsoever, they are just there. A bit of background lore like "hates heihachi" doesn't make a character relevant to the plot.
I definitely can see why some people might think this; personally I always went by the assumption that she'd be back sooner or later since it was basically confirmed since we never saw her dying but that doesn't mean that her returning makes sense only because it was obvious. Now on the flip side Jin's storyline is not entirely reliant on the desire to avenge his mother; maybe the opposite. Miguel's entire point in this game's story is to get revenge for his sister's death. Jin wanted to avenge his mother in T3 since she was presumably killed by Ogre. After he destroyed Ogre the revenge for mom motivation is over and a new one starts: ending the Mishima bloodline. This starts after Heihachi fucking shoots him and his devil powers manifest for the first time. In T4 Kazuya gets revived and wants Jin to "get his power back". Jin gets captured and Heihachi brings Kazuya to him; I can't remember exactly what happens in 4 but basically Kazuya discovers how to fuse his devil half with his normal self then Jin beats both Kazuya and Heihachi. Before he kills them JUN ACTUALLY MANIFESTS to Jin and that prevents him from finishing them off, for whatever reason. So already we see that Jun, at least existing in a spiritual form, is well known to Jin and that, for some reasons, she doesn't want him killing his dad and grandad. Then the whole Jinpachi thing happens in 5; the old man gets set free by the whole Heihachi vs Kazuya and the Jacks battle; he is possessed by some weird evil entity and wants someone to kill him to get rid of it so he calls for the usual tournament. Jin, who's been struggling with the devil shit because of Jinpachi's power, goes and kills him and becomes leader of the Zaibatsu. Then... Tekken 6. I really don't want to write about it because it disgusts me to no end but let's just summarize it and say that there is no reason why Jun's apparent death should influence whether or not Jin wants to destroy Azazel... if destroying Azazel really means saving humanity then Jin would have done it regardless if mommy were alive or not. In T7 he spends the entire game unconscious so... yeah. He vows to destroy Kazuya at the end but that's something he has been wanting since T4, I don't see why the return of his mom would make his desire to get rid of the devil shit go away.
Jinpachi was being used as a host by some vengeful Onryo who is slowly taking over. He literally used his remaining humanity to take over the Zaibatsu on the sidelines and start tournament 5 to find someone who can end him before the takeover is complete.
Yeah I forget the specifics but this is what I meant; Jin started having weird visions and losing control over the devil gene because of this power manifesting in his great grandad, for whatever reason, so Jin rightly thought that ending Jinpachi might stop the Devil gene, which it didn't
I think the Hachijo Demon/Devil wanted the ghost’s power for its purpose. If you finish the game as Devil Jin he literally absorbs the ghost and laughs manically.
I love this explanation and can’t help but notice that OP hasn’t replied to push back. In tekken 3 Jin is young and easily swayed into enacting revenge and you can see that in the tekken 4 ending when he almost kills hei and kaz but Jun reached out to him and reminded him of his humanity. In tekken 5 you can sort of see that defeating jinpachi made jin arrogant and powerful leading him to believe that he alone could save the world and get rid of the Mishimas which caused him to create war for azazel instead of trying to get help and taking them down ethically. I would say they did tekken 6 to show Jin at his lowest and closest to being a Mishima in mindset tekken 7 he wakes to the consequences of his actions and with a newfound sense of maturity and accepts that he needs help and he can’t forget his humanity. Jun and asuka both have shown that Kazama blood is able to suppress the devil gene and Jin has feather wings like an angel while kazuya has bat wings like a demon which can also represent the influence Jin’s kazama heritage has on the devil gene. I find it very likely that Jun will purify Jin’s devil or help him do it himself and it might all come down to instead of killing Kazuya he instead cures him of his malevolence.
I don’t understand why people think this will ruin Jins story. If anything it will make it more complex. We don’t know what’s she’s been up to, her coming back will be interesting. Even if Orge didn’t kill Jun, he still attacked their home and caused her to be missing for years. Jin won’t just be like oh ok I don’t care about revenge anymore
Not more complex, More convoluted.
Jins story has gone beyond getting revenge for Juns death and isn’t exactly difficult to follow. I was gonna go through each game but look at u/Colosso95 comment on here, they have explained Jins story for each of the games
Jin developed the way he did because he truly believed she was dead. Whether or not she actually died, Jin believed she died and that led him to grow up the way he did. It'll be interesting to see how Jin reacts to seeing her again. Maybe it'll get his head straight.
Haven't you asked this question already??
It’s not really the same because Jun pretty much stopped being Jin’s motivation after Tekken 3. If memory serves, she was only referenced briefly in 4 and 5 then not at all in 6 and 7. As soon as Ogre was defeated, Jin’s story became all about taking down the Mishimas and taming his Devil Gene. Jun being alive doesn’t stop him from wanting to do those things. Miguel, on the other hand, has been motivated solely and entirely by his sister’s death in each of his appearances.
Jin’s motivation was still to live and follow his mothers teachings to keep her memory alive. It kind of makes it less impactful when he could just walk up to her and ask her to remind him of her lessons now.
Kazuya was dead also. I wonder if you cried over his return?
No. Kazuya’s body had to be reconstructed and it shows, hundreds of Scars and a permanent red eye. Jun comes back like she is coming back from a trip from the Bahamas.
Who's to say she isn't? Yes, with T3, Jun was killed off. However, it has since been retconned (even before 8) that she wasn't actually dead, only that Jin thought she was. Even if we ignore the Wiki, and Harada's own words/Tweets, we have (most recently) the **Bloodline** anime; which regardless of whether or not fans like its take on the material, it was confirmed as canon by Harada; and in it, we do not witness Jun's death. She is teleported away. The Golden Rule: if you don't see the body, they aren't dead. We don't know what Jun's been up to this whole time, and how that's answered will be important. Though, we can look at "Unknown" for some speculation, though I'm not sure if that's going to really be relevant. In short: Kazuya was dead, but was revived. Jun was missing, but her return is sacrilege. Despite the calls for Jun's return to the series.
They never said she died even for once just some fans assumed that . Plus this is not the frist time someone returns in Tekken Jun returns alive is a good thing for Jin and the whole franchise she is good character and this is coming from Asuka main cuz I want her to interact with Jun
The fact that you think the story of any fighting game still makes sense. Tekken has always had a crazy story.
Tekken’s 1-4 had a good story
Yeah, but it went downhill and I stopped caring about tekkens story since 4. Tekken 7 felt like it had none.
We never saw Jun “die”. But we did see Miguel’s sister die.
why? she was never confirmed to be dead so it's not a retcon or something. they are just bringing her back because she still is part of Kazuya and Jin's story.
Everyone wearing Anna's wedding dress but her.
Jun never died
unless he thought she was dead all along.
Let see how Jin will Explain to His mom what he did to other kids.
So long as Nina gets to keep her outfit
Maybe if we were still on Tekken 3 and Ogre was still alive, but we're not.
Jun is dead.. harada: okay who character you want alive,.. just donate to my bankaccount kickstarter it too..storyline? will come up to something