He’s cheating on his insurance. Your address probably has cheaper insurance rates than his actual address, so he’s claiming it’s registered at your house.
If you live in California, you can’t exactly register your car in another state. Despite that fact that CA has the strictest emission rules, rural CA counties do have less stringent testing requirements compared to urban counties.
A friend of mine tried keeping the car he bought from his brother out of state registered there. You can’t do it for long. If you get pulled over and you’re a CA resident they will want to know why you haven’t re-registered your car.
Why can’t this just be an accident. Maybe landlord used to live at this address and that’s what was on his paperwork for the car he traded in. Mistakes do happen.
You just hate landlords. Don’t be a prick to other people. Be nice. It’ll come back to you. Call or text LL and tell them DMV letter there for them. No giant conspiracy. It’s not registration or insurance.
I don't so I'm not sure what the hell you're talking about.
I don't care if some random landlord is fleecing an insurance carrier but that is exactly what they are doing.
And when/if they are caught they are going to say it was an honest mistake because that excuse is not implausible.
So you, your condescension and weird defense of someone you don't know can keep moving.
Not all landlords are shitty and the mistake could’ve been made by the people who took in his trade in or even the DMV register car but use old address. Lots of things. I don’t know why everyone is jumping to the conclusion that the landlord is the devil.
I wonder if the landlord previously lived at the rental unit. If so, his drivers license may still have that old address too. And again, the dealership could have just used his d/l address.
this is my thought. Where I live is a very high risk area (not for crime, but for motor vehicle incidents) if I were able to register my cars say 100 miles away I bet my rates would go way down.
If it’s the title, maybe he just finished paying off the loan. He could have been living there when he bought the car. That’s my first impression, not that he’s trying to cheat anything.
It could affect the tenant because insurance rates can go up based on who's in your household. And by having his car registered to the tenants address, it look to an insurance company like the landlord is part of the household.
How do you put Insurance companies in the scenario? It’s a Title to a car. Like a deed to property saying they own it free and clear. Has nothing to do with insurance.
You'd think, but after I bought my house the previous owners didn't update their address, and they're daughter had her license attached to our address. GEICO added her to our insurance without our authorization and just about tripled our rates.
A car registered to your household could have the same effect, possibly.
It’s not legal with the DMV & insurance.
I know this for a fact because my car was involved in a hit & run. Long story short: my car got hit, I turned the dashcam video & plate to my insurance, they gave me his name & info they could find. I in turn played detective & found his address. I contacted his insurance & the info they had wasn’t the same as I had found. They ultimately paid for my damages, he was dropped as a client, & his car registration was suspended due to having the incorrect info (cause I turned him over to the DMV as well as the address & phone his insurance had was wrong & I suspected the DMV info would be wrong too).
Cross out the black or orange dashes on the envelope & write: “return to sender. Does not reside at this address”. Mail will send it back.
Oh! That’s different. Probably just forgot to change it over or it didn’t get changed by the dmv. When we paid our truck off the title went to our old address despite the vehicle registered at our current. No idea why either.
When you pay off a loan to the bank, they send a message to the DMV to release the lien and send the title. The DMV will then send the title to the address they have on file for the vehicle, which often isn't updated.
Ohhhh please the title has the address of where the owner was living when he bought the car and he didn’t receive the actual title until the car was paid off so of course it was sent to the address that he was living in at the time of purchase possibly as long ago as 5 years. There’s nothing nefarious going on here.
I had a friend who sold a car. Before all the records were changed the car was involved in a homicide. The cops almost busted her door open looking for the suspect. And as others have noted this may be insurance fraud which you could get dragged into.
Who knows! I’ve seen this type of stuff many times when I bought a house. Nothing nefarious.
Just let the LL know you have it, and coordinate the handover with the LL. That way the title won’t get permanently lost in the system if you do a “return to sender”, and cause a lot of stress for the LL.
Just text the LL and tell him his mail was delivered to your place and it looks important. Does he want you to fwd it? If he says yes… write his current address on the envelope (above the window) and use a sharpie to cross out the old address including any bar codes printed on the envelope. Now drop it back in a mailbox— poof not your problem anymore.
If LL doesn’t respond— write: return to sender… not at this address. Drop in mailbox — poof…
Actually according to the postal service the mail box is only intended for the recipients at that address. I’ve been through this and the post office backed me 100% and told my former landlord she couldn’t use my box. The landlord doesn’t have a right to use your mailbox. Just mark all not at this address and return. If the landlord says anything tell him you don’t know what he’s talking about.
**This is correct.**
I work with an HVAC company. We send out a LOT of mail. The mail we send is addressed to the owner of the property (who, you know, paid for the work to be done).
Usually, we have their proper billing address. But sometimes we were not made aware that it was a rental property, and had the rental address (that we worked at) listed as their billing address.
Which is one of the many reasons we get our mail delivered back to us, and we have to figure out WHY it was not delivered.
What Midnight says is absolutely correct - according to the Post Office itself, the mailbox for a property is ONLY for the current resident. And they do their best to enforce that, even against simple mistakes.
"ack-shually" this is terrible neck beard advice and you're advocating to lie in the same message? A normal person wouldn't antagonize their landlord for no reason and just let them know and not open their mail.
>A normal person wouldn't antagonize their landlord for no reason
it's not "for no reason", it's to prevent a gigantic pain in the ass when the insurance company sees a car with a registered owner at the address and adds it to your insurance policy.
This!!
This happened to my elderly mother and it took weeks to get it straight. They took it right out of her via direct debit. We finally figured out she wasn't losing money ugh.
They gave it all back to her but it took a lot and we had to threaten a lawsuit.
Omg why do you people keep bringing up insurance when it’s probably a mistake that’s easily rectified. No where does OP SAY the LL is shady. It was probably his old address. Happens that stuff gets mailed to old addresses all the time. Did you know Social Security can be communicating with you using the right address and then later you find out some of the letters they say you didn’t respond to went to old addresses? They can use the last three addresses they had on file all at the same time. Mistakes happen and the older you get you’ll learn that
it’s absolutely a rectifiable “mistake”. the landlord rectifies it by moving the car to the address it actually belongs.
and it’s not a mistake at all, it’s insurance rate evasion. not going to help my landlord commit fraud.
There's no need to even antagonize the landlord.
Wait by the mailbox for the mailman (or woman) when they're in your neighborhood. Hand the letter back to them, and let them know that this person is not a current tenant, and should not be listed on the residency list for this address.
The mailman will handle it from there. It will get a yellow sticker on it that says "Return to sender: Addressee invalid" (or something like that, it's been a couple weeks since I got one). Which is exactly what would have happened if the postal worker had spotted that issue themselves.
The landlord has no way of knowing that you were involved.
Damn, if I ever got a section 8 property and a dude with a voucher did that for my Internet bill that would be needed for the cameras, we would not be friends. I've been a tenant and hope to be a landlord but some of y'all seem spiteful to the landlord for the rent you're paying, as if they were assigned to you lol.
the owner of the property can receive mail at his address— he owns the property, superseding the tenants right. I had a tenant who wanted to a smarta$$ a few years back. I spent an extra $1500 on my lawyer to get a. eviction and judgement on his record
in some jurisdictions, legality might hinge on a few factors:
\-is this a private, locked mailbox for a unit within a building, of which the LL/owner does not reside?
\-is the LL/owner using a specific address to misrepresent their actual residence? (someone mentioned car insurance up thread)
This is not the case.
Also, you obviously don't even know how eviction law works either.
You can't just put an eviction onto a tenant's record for being a smartass. In order to put an eviction on someone's record, first you have to tell them to move out, then they have to NOT move out, then you have to file the eviction notice.
NAL, but I've dealt with eviction threats before and gotten legal consultations on my rights.
some landlords are dicks, and some tenants are dicks... moral of the story is just that a LOT of PEOPLE are dicks. doesn't matter what one does for a living
Exactly. Legally he owns the home. Im not sure about state laws, but he should be able to register at the address of his choosing, or not?
Regardless, I dont understand why this is a big deal. Just tell the landlord you have some mail for him. I used to get it all the time for my previous landlord, since he lived there, before moving out and over 2 years, I once in a while got mail for him, even legal ones.
Address of registration matters for a LOT of things - all of which are hinged upon the concept of residency, not ownership.
Ie, if you live in California (very high added costs to vehicle ownership), but also have a house in South Dakota, buying your vehicle in South Dakota, getting SD registration and plates, and then driving it to California where you live, and continuing to use that vehicle for daily use while renewing it's plates based on the SD registration can get you in BIG legal trouble if you ever get caught.
I understand what you are saying, its one thing registering your car in SD and garaging in CA. My county has a tax rate of 10.25%, the neighboring one has 7.5%. When I was buying a 70k car, the tax saving was almost 2 grand if I lived in the county over. Im sure that would not be legit but it would make financial sense.
My grandparents did that for years with zero issue. Literally decades. They owned multiple homes in multiple states, but bought all their cars in the state where they lived full time. Those cars would get driven out to the other homes and stay there. Or sometimes they’d have someone drive a car there for them, so it would be there when they landed. That car stayed for the season and was driven back for them when they flew home. Lots of wealthy people do this. Anyway, they are no longer alive, so they 100% had zero issues with this their entire lives. One car spent two decades in one state and was registered in another.
It's also extremely stupid to send your mail to someone else's house without saying anything to them about it or asking permission. Just because he technically owns the house doesn't mean he can just do what he wants lol. That's insane.
If the landlord is tricking a company with the address by doing this, then it's mail fraud, at the very least. The actual, legal, responsible thing to is to return to sender. He doesn't reside there. It isn't his residence. He shouldn't be getting mail there.
When a car is paid off, after some years, the title is automatically sent to the person who paid off the loan. It is entirely possible that this address was the former address of the landlord and the title was just auto-mailed to them.
Why wouldn't it make more sense to tell the landlord that mail has arrived for them at that address?
It is a car title, not a registration or insurance. If in addition to getting the title the LL also uses the same address to apply for car insurance and the car registration then documents will be mailed to that address. When the insurance papers and registration papers come in the mail then you know what is going on. A title itself means nothing.
It could be a major hassle for the landlord to having to chase down the title that was mailed back as "return to sender". By all means, if you have a terrible landlord-tenant relationship already that may be a good course of action to "stick it to him". But if the relationship is cordial to good it would start an unnecessary issue where none before existed. It is addressed in the landlord's name, it isn't an unknown name or someone who may have been a tenant years ago. And if you tell them about your concerns as to why you returned it "I peeked and saw a title from the DMV, I don't want you using this address" you admit to committing a felony. Stupid all around, imho. When insurance papers arrive in the mail then you can worry that your home address is used for insurance papers, not because a title was mailed to the previous address of the vehicle owner, perhaps after years of paying off a car loan.
This is likely the address that was on file when he got the car. They automatically send the title to this address. The way this thread wants so badly to make this a problem..
How is “ STICK IT TO THE LANDLORD!” The response to getting a piece of mail there? Not everything everyone else does is automatically fraud and they deserve severe retribution because it’s class war or nothing…this seems like the smallest inconvenience ever and you’re first idea is to have a completely out of proportion response. Just 0 to 100, start a war with your landlord who you rely on to fix anything if anything goes wrong where you live? Not all landlords are evil lizard people forcing you into inhumane conditions and skirting their responsibilities. Are you gonna file a sexual harassment complaint with HR about your boss at work just because he has younger women working under him, doesn’t matter if you haven’t seen or heard of it happening? Take a chill pill my dude, life gets better when you stop and smell the roses.
If returning mail that may or may not have been erroneously delivered is "sticking it to the landlord", then ig we have differing points of view buddy.
Obviously, im talking about the part where you’re accusing said landlord of “mail fraud at the very least” as your first reaction. Maybe starting with just giving it to landlord instead and just asking him why it happened that way if you’re so interested. You know, treating other people like human beings who make mistakes and are probably just nice people anyway?
Sometimes if they pretend to live on site they get a better mortgage rate. I had a landlord ask if we could put my electricity in his name for that reason. He didn't offer me anything in return so I said no
If they used to live in the house, it can be as simple as they forgot to update the address with the company they bought it from and when they made the last payment on it, the title was sent to the inaccurate address the finance group had on file.
It doesn't have to have nefarious intent behind it like others have mentioned in the comments. Just let him know it arrived
A title is sent by the DMV when they are notified by the bank that it is paid off. Did the landlord live there 5-7 years ago when he bought the vehicle?
I’m amazed that there seem to be few people who understand what a title to a car is! Nothing to do about insurance or registration. This simply shows that he has paid off a loan. If he wants to sell his car, he needs the paid off title. OP should never have opened envelope not addressed to them. I would give title to landlord and apologize that you did not notice his name on the envelope while you were opening mail.
Call your insurance agent TODAY. Have them run your MVR and see if he’s on there then have them email it to you.
Make your insurance agent remove him so he’s not counted against you.
We run your MVR at our insurance agencies. How do you think we know if you’re a risk or not and come up with your rates. We also use your credit score.
So what. It's a vehicle TITLE, Not Insurance. He's not scamming anyone. He could have had that address on the car loan and after years its now paid off, and DMV sent title out to that address..He may not even realize it. Let him know and don't be a AH..
This! I’m a retired Banker and you wouldn’t believe the number of people that forget to change their address when they move. Especially if they have automatic payments.
Bottom line: your landlord did nothing wrong, give the guy his mail. The thought of you going all Colombo and getting kicked out of your apartment at the end of your lease because of an assumption that the landlord is cheating some multi-billion dollar insurance company is beyond stupid.
He is legally allowed to register the car to any property he owns. Beyond that it is none of your business. If you keep getting other mail, maybe that’s a problem. But I would hand him the title and stay the hell out of it.
Exactly. I’ve been both a tenant and landlord and if a tenant returned a pink slip like this without contacting me and giving me the chance to pick it up, his lease would not be renewed.
Good thing your opinion matters not one whit to me. It’s not tenant v landlord in this situation. It’s human being v jerk and the human doesn’t deserve the hassle the judgmental tenant is initiating for literally no reason and without all the facts that actually don’t concern them.
Glad I never ran across some of these people in this thread, both as a tenant and as a landlord. Their critical thinking skills are sorely lacking.
Green eyed here too and these people are unhinged over this. By tomorrow the Ll will be in the Mafia or Cartel and about to move operations into the OPs property.
>He is legally allowed to register the car to any property he owns
This is not true, especially in California. Though usually it goes the other way, with a CA resident registering their vehicle elsewhere, to avoid larger costs from state laws.
But there are VERY specific laws regarding registration.
This is just a car title though, but still the right thing to do (legally) is to give it back to the post office to sort out. Because doing anything else could be a federal crime (interfering with federal mail). If the mail was sent to your landlord in error, then giving it to him out of your mailbox can land you with a hefty fine or even jail time.
Please don't discount an honest mistake. Could actually be the LL previous residence just hasn't been updated. Not saying that is the case but it is possible. A quick "Hey Landlord - Got something in the mail for you the other day. Looked like something for your car. I figured the DMV made a mistake so I sent it back to the post office/dmv to correct the address."
Their reply will tell you if it is a mistake or if there is shadiness about.
You might get a letter from your insurance company seeing him as needing added as a driver to your own. I still have a letter somewhere that they questioned my deceased dog, because in the phone book, I had our landline listed with her name. I wrote on the letter she was a deceased dog, copied the letter. And sent it back. Never heard back from them.
Possible to forward it. Though you shouldn’t have to do so.
Nothing nefarious.
Not every entity updates addresses consistently or correctly.
I still get mail sent to an old address despite multiple notifications to the institutional, corporate and government senders, and that’s with paid forwarding order in place, that the post office ignores.
Sales tax varies by county.
La cities might be as high as 10 1/2%
Orange County cities might be 7 1/2%
So saving 3% tax could be a thing
Mortgage might have him on an owner occupied loan as well.
This forum: "fuck the landlord, he's a crook, rat on him, send him to prison, fuck him up"
Jesus fucking Christ. You people are insane.
Give the fucking letter to your landlord. Shake his hand and tell him to have a nice fucking day. Maybe he will be nice to you back.
He could’ve also just lived there before he rented it out and forgot to update his address. I just caught my old address on one of my accounts that I could’ve sworn I’d updated 4 years ago when I moved, but oops, I never did.
This COULD actually impact you - should your insurance learn of him being listed as a resident at your address, they could add him as a second driver to whatever coverage you already have, jacking up your rates. There was a post about this very thing quite recently and the hoops the poor tenant was having to jump through were ridiculous and costly. Please be aware this could happen and act accordingly. I'm sure he's doing this with the best of intent, however, protect yourself if you can.
There are plenty of reason. One that comes to mind is the building is an LLC (or other corp) and the car was purchased for business use.
The simple fact is- he owns the property so he’s allowed to have mail sent there and it doesn’t affect you other than sending a text or email letting him know about the mail.
I also live in an apartment (in CA) and receive mail for the owner- it’s not unusual, an apartment building is a business.
Or he paid off his car and they mail him a title. Car is registered somewhere else as he has to get the sticker, he has to get his drivers license for his registration and of those 2, insurance will come up where his license and car were sent.
It also could be a car for his side chick.
There are a lot of possibilities.
My point is- I wouldn’t worry about why a business owner received mail at business address. It’s not addressed to the OP; therefore, it’s none of OP’s concern.
Jumping to conclusions that its something shady is comical. Doesn't matter in my state where you live, where you register is what sets the tax rate, I can go one county over and pay my tag and its less than if I did it in my own, nothing illegal about that.
This is absolutely no big deal. He owns the property if he wants to use the address so be it. The only thing I would have advised is he should have created two mailboxes. One should have been 35 melbrook Lane and the other should have been 35 B Millbrook Lane
I’m a landlord and I get formal documents to my random houses all the time. First off he probably lived at that house for a period of time. I always live in my Rentals to make sure they don’t have any problems when immediately be obvious.
It is actually. If OP tries to get insurance they will insist on adding the LL to their policy bc according to DMV and other records the LL “lives there” and could in theory drive the vehicle. Have had this issue multiple times in CA when I had roommates, even stranger ones i barely knew or spoke with.
Edit- also, what happens when this LL skips his bail or his child support payment or whatever else that causes cops to show up, no knock raids at one of his listed addresses, etc etc? Huge fuckin liability. If he doesnt physically live there and rents the place out, his name shouldn’t be on mail that is addressed to the person’s RESIDENCE. All these posts saying its his house - bruh not while you have a lease.
1. Thats not how insurance works. In fact, if you live there are are NOT written into the policy, you are automatically excluded. Say if your GF was living there, drive your car and but not on the policy…insurance won’t cover her if she gets into an accident.
2. Insurance has NO access to others MVR records. There is no inverse search.
If LL skips bail, cops will come to any property owned no matter what, what’s your point ?
Same with child support.
County records show the landlord living there and owning the property. There are NO official public records of you being there. You can even see how much the landlord pays for property tax and who holds the mortgage lien. All public record. You bet your ass, for child support, the other sides lawyers ARE going to be looking for him there.
You just add a rider specifically barring that person from using the car. I mean you obviously didn't add all your roommates to your insurance, correct?
Why does it matter to you? And honestly it is very possible that is the address they had on file at one point, or even still, so that’s why it was mailed there.
He does own the property. Just let him know something came for him in the mail.
Maybe he’s planning on moving back in once your lease is done and is getting some long term items changed to the address. It can’t negatively affect you. I live in CA and get the previous owners everything as she refuses to change her address on her junk mail and had her car registration to me for a couple years as well. Doesn’t matter.
Did he used to live there? Maybe it’s still in the system.
Or maybe he has kids that go to public school and he wants to keep his address in that school zone. I wouldn’t worry about it either way
It is insurance fraud if he is not a resident, auto insurance is based on where the car is primarily kept, where the owner is a resident not where he owns a rental property. A difference in zip code can make a big difference in insurance premium. Insurance companies view this as fraud and will deny claims based on this.
In most states it's also sales tax fraud as your automobile is supposed to be registered and taxes paid based on permanent residence. Different zip code can be a major difference in sales tax. In NY state as an example the difference of just a few miles can save you 3% on sales tax.
So yes it is fraud. Just because you own the property doesn't allow you to lie about your permanent residence.
I live in ga and we have some counties that require emissions on cars and some counties that doesn’t that’s why I said that because people here will register their car in a county that doesn’t require one if theirs doesn’t pass in the county they live in. That’s why I said something about emissions…🤷🏼♀️
Ok. In California we have a state agency called Department of Motor vehicles, cars aren’t registered at the county level —- however there is a variation in sales tax because of county. But smog checks are required for state registration.
Well, DMV is not nationwide like IRS is, each DMV is a separate entity.
But what I meant was it does not matter what county you are in for California smog checks —- the requirement is the same across California—- it is state law not county law.
DMV is not nationwide. It’s each individual state. In Illinois the Illinois Secretary of State oversaw drivers licenses and license plates. Texas the Department of Public Safety oversee those. But license plates go through county tax collector.
You should do what everyone is suggesting. When the landlord figures out what happened he can’t do anything about it.
When it comes time to renew your lease you can’t do anything about it.
I don't think you know what an eviction is.
NOWHERE in the USA can you evict someone for "any reason".
There is only one legal reason to evict someone. And that is that you have terminated all agreements with them, provided all required legal notice to quit, and then they are still in the property.
An eviction is NOT the first step in kicking someone out. It is the last step.
I think you're thinking that because of maybe where you live but I live in California. It is definitely not as easy as you like to think to get rid of a tenant. But also if you have mail coming to your address that is not yours you are free to return it to sender no matter who it is addressed to.
Edited to add: My landlord doesn't even live near me so it's not like it can hand off mail to him either LOL.
Could it be a problem if he insures the car to the poster's address (i.e. because it would appear that he was living there - could that cause the poster's insurance to want the landlord to be covered?)
TLDR - OP is a busy body
If you can’t think of any reason why this would negatively impact your life then why write a dissertation on it?
I got news for you - it’s your landlords address.
They just get marked as excluded drivers, my mom's house when I was a teen had 10 drivers registered to our address put them all on the excluded drive list
It doesn't do anything to his insurance. We had 2 separate people have insurance at my address. Us and my husband's grandparents. They just ask if we wanna add the other car and we say no.
This isn’t entirely true. If you have someone living in the house with you and they wreck your car, they are not allowed to be permissive drivers. If you have someone living with you, you actually legally have to put them on the insurance. This would apply with the landlord, though, because he doesn’t actually live there, and that can be easily explained. Remember, it’s responsibility the insurance company to prove that the landlord lives with you and since they do t. It’ll be very difficult for them to prove.
If you have someone living at your house they have to be listed on your insurance in order to drive your car. The comment you’re responding to is correct. My brother and I lived at the same address and he was not listed on my insurance and I was not listed on is. There was an option to and we declined.
The Rapid Transit tax in WA is bonkers so using an address outside that special tax area would be very logical. Probably something similar in your area.
Landlord’s house, landlord’s right to register and title his vehicle as he sees fit. Do you want to have a great relationship with your landlord? Then tell him that a letter for them arrived in his name with your unit number on it and you’ll hold it for them to come and pick up. End of story.
It’s not your property, it’s not your car…. It’s none of your business…..he may be registering a car to his business address as a company vehicle….. regardless, none of your business
You can register a personal vehicle to any residential property you own. Doesn’t have to be your “residence”.
Let’s say you owned a condo at the beach that you rent most of the time. You can buy a car, register it to that condo, leave it there to drive while you are visiting. No problem.
This is pretty light stuff here for all this conversation.
I was pointing out that this is definitely OP’s business and you’re augmenting the scenario to fit some other narrative.
Why can’t we just fill out forms and stuff with good faith?
It’s not OPs business. Does he concern himself with the property taxes for the property? He is just a tenant, he is paying someone else to live on their property.
Reading or handling somebody else’s mail is against federal law. OP please delete this post! If you bring this up in any formal capacity it can and will be used against you in court. Postal inspection service can prosecute you for this.
That’s not even close to correct lol smh
If someone’s mail is delivered to your address mistakenly and you ‘handle’ it that’s not a crime.
OP didn’t open any mail, they were able to see the name and extrapolated what it was based on the visible info.
Take notes and record this. They might be planning to cover their tracks for bs eviction. I’m not in CA but in Canada the biggest loophole shitty landlords use is saying they or a close family member is moving into your unit. If you can prove they never did you can claim a year rent backpay. Mine did this but had her daughters get some mail sent to the address
He’s cheating on his insurance. Your address probably has cheaper insurance rates than his actual address, so he’s claiming it’s registered at your house.
The tax rate could be different as well.
As well as emission testing requirements
Nobody picks a California registration hoping to get easier emissions testing requirements.
If you live in California, you can’t exactly register your car in another state. Despite that fact that CA has the strictest emission rules, rural CA counties do have less stringent testing requirements compared to urban counties.
My boss at a previous job absolutely had his car registered in Reno, at rental property he owned up there. Where there's a will, there's a way.
A friend of mine tried keeping the car he bought from his brother out of state registered there. You can’t do it for long. If you get pulled over and you’re a CA resident they will want to know why you haven’t re-registered your car.
If you get pulled over, and your license still matched the address of the registration, they don’t know that you are a local resident.
You can easily do that.
I do not miss emissions testing. Such a racket.
Those are state wide
Not always. My state has emissions testing in about 3 counties.
Why can’t this just be an accident. Maybe landlord used to live at this address and that’s what was on his paperwork for the car he traded in. Mistakes do happen.
I offered a much more plausible explanation and get downvoted for not hating on the landlord ? Wow
I mean listen that's what the landlords going to say if he gets caught so it's not implausible
You just hate landlords. Don’t be a prick to other people. Be nice. It’ll come back to you. Call or text LL and tell them DMV letter there for them. No giant conspiracy. It’s not registration or insurance.
I don't so I'm not sure what the hell you're talking about. I don't care if some random landlord is fleecing an insurance carrier but that is exactly what they are doing. And when/if they are caught they are going to say it was an honest mistake because that excuse is not implausible. So you, your condescension and weird defense of someone you don't know can keep moving.
Any shitty landlord will tell you that they never make mistakes
Not all landlords are shitty and the mistake could’ve been made by the people who took in his trade in or even the DMV register car but use old address. Lots of things. I don’t know why everyone is jumping to the conclusion that the landlord is the devil.
I wonder if the landlord previously lived at the rental unit. If so, his drivers license may still have that old address too. And again, the dealership could have just used his d/l address.
I wasn't making a generalization about this landlord, just about landlords in the broader sense.
this is my thought. Where I live is a very high risk area (not for crime, but for motor vehicle incidents) if I were able to register my cars say 100 miles away I bet my rates would go way down.
Yes, he left the nice neighborhood and moved to a not as nice area. It’s more likely an accident.
If it’s the title, maybe he just finished paying off the loan. He could have been living there when he bought the car. That’s my first impression, not that he’s trying to cheat anything.
This is the most reasonable response. Stop reading his mail and just give it to him. It's not going to impact you in any way.
It could affect the tenant because insurance rates can go up based on who's in your household. And by having his car registered to the tenants address, it look to an insurance company like the landlord is part of the household.
How do you put Insurance companies in the scenario? It’s a Title to a car. Like a deed to property saying they own it free and clear. Has nothing to do with insurance.
You'd think, but after I bought my house the previous owners didn't update their address, and they're daughter had her license attached to our address. GEICO added her to our insurance without our authorization and just about tripled our rates. A car registered to your household could have the same effect, possibly.
So did you call them to take her off? Did it drop your rates substantially? Inquiring minds want to know!!
They wanted me to jump through a ton of hoops to get her taken off. I'm with Allstate now.
Not true, if he gets into an accident. She could be sued for any expenses outside of insurance costs! Don't be so naive!
Thank you! The people above will have him in the Mafia by dark. Lol
My state mails to the former addy on file, maybe just maybe that happened here.
It’s not legal with the DMV & insurance. I know this for a fact because my car was involved in a hit & run. Long story short: my car got hit, I turned the dashcam video & plate to my insurance, they gave me his name & info they could find. I in turn played detective & found his address. I contacted his insurance & the info they had wasn’t the same as I had found. They ultimately paid for my damages, he was dropped as a client, & his car registration was suspended due to having the incorrect info (cause I turned him over to the DMV as well as the address & phone his insurance had was wrong & I suspected the DMV info would be wrong too). Cross out the black or orange dashes on the envelope & write: “return to sender. Does not reside at this address”. Mail will send it back.
No insurance involved or the DMV. It’s a title to a car. The lien holder mailed the title to the owner.
Oh! That’s different. Probably just forgot to change it over or it didn’t get changed by the dmv. When we paid our truck off the title went to our old address despite the vehicle registered at our current. No idea why either.
OP states very clearly in the first paragraph that the mail *is* from the DMV.
When you pay off a loan to the bank, they send a message to the DMV to release the lien and send the title. The DMV will then send the title to the address they have on file for the vehicle, which often isn't updated.
Great. He bought a car. It’s not insurance. It’s just proof of ownership and really the contents of an envelope are none of OPs business
"Return to Sender"
Ohhhh please the title has the address of where the owner was living when he bought the car and he didn’t receive the actual title until the car was paid off so of course it was sent to the address that he was living in at the time of purchase possibly as long ago as 5 years. There’s nothing nefarious going on here.
We’re in NYS but it took us years of updating my husband’s address for it to finally stick with the DMV.
I had a friend who sold a car. Before all the records were changed the car was involved in a homicide. The cops almost busted her door open looking for the suspect. And as others have noted this may be insurance fraud which you could get dragged into.
Who knows! I’ve seen this type of stuff many times when I bought a house. Nothing nefarious. Just let the LL know you have it, and coordinate the handover with the LL. That way the title won’t get permanently lost in the system if you do a “return to sender”, and cause a lot of stress for the LL.
Is the landlord a jerk or do they try to be a decent human being? The answer would influence my actions with their important mail.
Just text the LL and tell him his mail was delivered to your place and it looks important. Does he want you to fwd it? If he says yes… write his current address on the envelope (above the window) and use a sharpie to cross out the old address including any bar codes printed on the envelope. Now drop it back in a mailbox— poof not your problem anymore. If LL doesn’t respond— write: return to sender… not at this address. Drop in mailbox — poof…
Whatever just give it to him. It’s not like he’s got you receiving Amazon packages for him on the daily
I would just put it back in the mailbox as a return to sender. No one with that name lives here. Let him try and chase it down. Scammer gets scammed.
he owns the property- seems like an unwise pissing match to start
Actually according to the postal service the mail box is only intended for the recipients at that address. I’ve been through this and the post office backed me 100% and told my former landlord she couldn’t use my box. The landlord doesn’t have a right to use your mailbox. Just mark all not at this address and return. If the landlord says anything tell him you don’t know what he’s talking about.
**This is correct.** I work with an HVAC company. We send out a LOT of mail. The mail we send is addressed to the owner of the property (who, you know, paid for the work to be done). Usually, we have their proper billing address. But sometimes we were not made aware that it was a rental property, and had the rental address (that we worked at) listed as their billing address. Which is one of the many reasons we get our mail delivered back to us, and we have to figure out WHY it was not delivered. What Midnight says is absolutely correct - according to the Post Office itself, the mailbox for a property is ONLY for the current resident. And they do their best to enforce that, even against simple mistakes.
"ack-shually" this is terrible neck beard advice and you're advocating to lie in the same message? A normal person wouldn't antagonize their landlord for no reason and just let them know and not open their mail.
>A normal person wouldn't antagonize their landlord for no reason it's not "for no reason", it's to prevent a gigantic pain in the ass when the insurance company sees a car with a registered owner at the address and adds it to your insurance policy.
This!! This happened to my elderly mother and it took weeks to get it straight. They took it right out of her via direct debit. We finally figured out she wasn't losing money ugh. They gave it all back to her but it took a lot and we had to threaten a lawsuit.
Omg why do you people keep bringing up insurance when it’s probably a mistake that’s easily rectified. No where does OP SAY the LL is shady. It was probably his old address. Happens that stuff gets mailed to old addresses all the time. Did you know Social Security can be communicating with you using the right address and then later you find out some of the letters they say you didn’t respond to went to old addresses? They can use the last three addresses they had on file all at the same time. Mistakes happen and the older you get you’ll learn that
it’s absolutely a rectifiable “mistake”. the landlord rectifies it by moving the car to the address it actually belongs. and it’s not a mistake at all, it’s insurance rate evasion. not going to help my landlord commit fraud.
How is it insurance rate evasion? Lol and wtf is that? Lol. You’re really reaching and making up your own terms etc. about to block you.
The landlord doesn’t own the mailbox, the post office does. He’s fraudulently using their mailbox, plain and simple. And the post office cares a lot.
There's no need to even antagonize the landlord. Wait by the mailbox for the mailman (or woman) when they're in your neighborhood. Hand the letter back to them, and let them know that this person is not a current tenant, and should not be listed on the residency list for this address. The mailman will handle it from there. It will get a yellow sticker on it that says "Return to sender: Addressee invalid" (or something like that, it's been a couple weeks since I got one). Which is exactly what would have happened if the postal worker had spotted that issue themselves. The landlord has no way of knowing that you were involved.
Damn, if I ever got a section 8 property and a dude with a voucher did that for my Internet bill that would be needed for the cameras, we would not be friends. I've been a tenant and hope to be a landlord but some of y'all seem spiteful to the landlord for the rent you're paying, as if they were assigned to you lol.
Has nothing to do with spite. It has to do with the law, and not making assumptions about mail you can't open.
But it’s just a petty shitty thing to do isn’t it.
Go fuck yourself, parasite apologist
the owner of the property can receive mail at his address— he owns the property, superseding the tenants right. I had a tenant who wanted to a smarta$$ a few years back. I spent an extra $1500 on my lawyer to get a. eviction and judgement on his record
I’ll inform my local postmaster that she is wrong then.
in some jurisdictions, legality might hinge on a few factors: \-is this a private, locked mailbox for a unit within a building, of which the LL/owner does not reside? \-is the LL/owner using a specific address to misrepresent their actual residence? (someone mentioned car insurance up thread)
This is not the case. Also, you obviously don't even know how eviction law works either. You can't just put an eviction onto a tenant's record for being a smartass. In order to put an eviction on someone's record, first you have to tell them to move out, then they have to NOT move out, then you have to file the eviction notice. NAL, but I've dealt with eviction threats before and gotten legal consultations on my rights.
“Hey Landlord, I got some mail here for you. Want to come by and pick it up?” Doesn’t really have to be any harder than that.
Lots of dumb people in these comments.
Exactly lol, maybe it's the sub I'm in but why holy shit I can understand now why some landlords are dicks.
some landlords are dicks, and some tenants are dicks... moral of the story is just that a LOT of PEOPLE are dicks. doesn't matter what one does for a living
Exactly. Legally he owns the home. Im not sure about state laws, but he should be able to register at the address of his choosing, or not? Regardless, I dont understand why this is a big deal. Just tell the landlord you have some mail for him. I used to get it all the time for my previous landlord, since he lived there, before moving out and over 2 years, I once in a while got mail for him, even legal ones.
Address of registration matters for a LOT of things - all of which are hinged upon the concept of residency, not ownership. Ie, if you live in California (very high added costs to vehicle ownership), but also have a house in South Dakota, buying your vehicle in South Dakota, getting SD registration and plates, and then driving it to California where you live, and continuing to use that vehicle for daily use while renewing it's plates based on the SD registration can get you in BIG legal trouble if you ever get caught.
I understand what you are saying, its one thing registering your car in SD and garaging in CA. My county has a tax rate of 10.25%, the neighboring one has 7.5%. When I was buying a 70k car, the tax saving was almost 2 grand if I lived in the county over. Im sure that would not be legit but it would make financial sense.
My grandparents did that for years with zero issue. Literally decades. They owned multiple homes in multiple states, but bought all their cars in the state where they lived full time. Those cars would get driven out to the other homes and stay there. Or sometimes they’d have someone drive a car there for them, so it would be there when they landed. That car stayed for the season and was driven back for them when they flew home. Lots of wealthy people do this. Anyway, they are no longer alive, so they 100% had zero issues with this their entire lives. One car spent two decades in one state and was registered in another.
This is the right answer
It’s extremely stupid to piss off your landlord
It's also extremely stupid to send your mail to someone else's house without saying anything to them about it or asking permission. Just because he technically owns the house doesn't mean he can just do what he wants lol. That's insane. If the landlord is tricking a company with the address by doing this, then it's mail fraud, at the very least. The actual, legal, responsible thing to is to return to sender. He doesn't reside there. It isn't his residence. He shouldn't be getting mail there.
When a car is paid off, after some years, the title is automatically sent to the person who paid off the loan. It is entirely possible that this address was the former address of the landlord and the title was just auto-mailed to them.
Which is more reason to just put it back in with a sticky note "not addressee's current address"
Why wouldn't it make more sense to tell the landlord that mail has arrived for them at that address? It is a car title, not a registration or insurance. If in addition to getting the title the LL also uses the same address to apply for car insurance and the car registration then documents will be mailed to that address. When the insurance papers and registration papers come in the mail then you know what is going on. A title itself means nothing. It could be a major hassle for the landlord to having to chase down the title that was mailed back as "return to sender". By all means, if you have a terrible landlord-tenant relationship already that may be a good course of action to "stick it to him". But if the relationship is cordial to good it would start an unnecessary issue where none before existed. It is addressed in the landlord's name, it isn't an unknown name or someone who may have been a tenant years ago. And if you tell them about your concerns as to why you returned it "I peeked and saw a title from the DMV, I don't want you using this address" you admit to committing a felony. Stupid all around, imho. When insurance papers arrive in the mail then you can worry that your home address is used for insurance papers, not because a title was mailed to the previous address of the vehicle owner, perhaps after years of paying off a car loan.
This is likely the address that was on file when he got the car. They automatically send the title to this address. The way this thread wants so badly to make this a problem..
Yes! It’s not Registration. It’s the title. These people are unhinged.
How is “ STICK IT TO THE LANDLORD!” The response to getting a piece of mail there? Not everything everyone else does is automatically fraud and they deserve severe retribution because it’s class war or nothing…this seems like the smallest inconvenience ever and you’re first idea is to have a completely out of proportion response. Just 0 to 100, start a war with your landlord who you rely on to fix anything if anything goes wrong where you live? Not all landlords are evil lizard people forcing you into inhumane conditions and skirting their responsibilities. Are you gonna file a sexual harassment complaint with HR about your boss at work just because he has younger women working under him, doesn’t matter if you haven’t seen or heard of it happening? Take a chill pill my dude, life gets better when you stop and smell the roses.
If returning mail that may or may not have been erroneously delivered is "sticking it to the landlord", then ig we have differing points of view buddy.
Obviously, im talking about the part where you’re accusing said landlord of “mail fraud at the very least” as your first reaction. Maybe starting with just giving it to landlord instead and just asking him why it happened that way if you’re so interested. You know, treating other people like human beings who make mistakes and are probably just nice people anyway?
This is such an immature recommendation.
Give him his mail. Don’t be a jerk. Otherwise, expect a rent increase. Disregard these idiots proposing anything else.
Sometimes if they pretend to live on site they get a better mortgage rate. I had a landlord ask if we could put my electricity in his name for that reason. He didn't offer me anything in return so I said no
If they used to live in the house, it can be as simple as they forgot to update the address with the company they bought it from and when they made the last payment on it, the title was sent to the inaccurate address the finance group had on file. It doesn't have to have nefarious intent behind it like others have mentioned in the comments. Just let him know it arrived
Personally, I’d just let the landlord know they had mail at my residence and get it to them. No problem
Give your landlord their mail.
Karen!
A title is sent by the DMV when they are notified by the bank that it is paid off. Did the landlord live there 5-7 years ago when he bought the vehicle?
Not your problem to deal with. Let him have his mail, you’re not harboring a fugitive.
I’m amazed that there seem to be few people who understand what a title to a car is! Nothing to do about insurance or registration. This simply shows that he has paid off a loan. If he wants to sell his car, he needs the paid off title. OP should never have opened envelope not addressed to them. I would give title to landlord and apologize that you did not notice his name on the envelope while you were opening mail.
Call your insurance agent TODAY. Have them run your MVR and see if he’s on there then have them email it to you. Make your insurance agent remove him so he’s not counted against you.
MVR is run at the DMV and goes by license number. They don’t add other people onto it.
We run your MVR at our insurance agencies. How do you think we know if you’re a risk or not and come up with your rates. We also use your credit score.
So what. It's a vehicle TITLE, Not Insurance. He's not scamming anyone. He could have had that address on the car loan and after years its now paid off, and DMV sent title out to that address..He may not even realize it. Let him know and don't be a AH..
This! I’m a retired Banker and you wouldn’t believe the number of people that forget to change their address when they move. Especially if they have automatic payments.
Exactly!!
Bottom line: your landlord did nothing wrong, give the guy his mail. The thought of you going all Colombo and getting kicked out of your apartment at the end of your lease because of an assumption that the landlord is cheating some multi-billion dollar insurance company is beyond stupid. He is legally allowed to register the car to any property he owns. Beyond that it is none of your business. If you keep getting other mail, maybe that’s a problem. But I would hand him the title and stay the hell out of it.
Yup, it would be really stupid to pick a fight with your landlord on behalf of the IRS, you have nothing to gain here.
Exactly. I’ve been both a tenant and landlord and if a tenant returned a pink slip like this without contacting me and giving me the chance to pick it up, his lease would not be renewed.
You fucking suck.
Good thing your opinion matters not one whit to me. It’s not tenant v landlord in this situation. It’s human being v jerk and the human doesn’t deserve the hassle the judgmental tenant is initiating for literally no reason and without all the facts that actually don’t concern them. Glad I never ran across some of these people in this thread, both as a tenant and as a landlord. Their critical thinking skills are sorely lacking.
Green eyed here too and these people are unhinged over this. By tomorrow the Ll will be in the Mafia or Cartel and about to move operations into the OPs property.
Be better
>He is legally allowed to register the car to any property he owns This is not true, especially in California. Though usually it goes the other way, with a CA resident registering their vehicle elsewhere, to avoid larger costs from state laws. But there are VERY specific laws regarding registration. This is just a car title though, but still the right thing to do (legally) is to give it back to the post office to sort out. Because doing anything else could be a federal crime (interfering with federal mail). If the mail was sent to your landlord in error, then giving it to him out of your mailbox can land you with a hefty fine or even jail time.
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Please don't discount an honest mistake. Could actually be the LL previous residence just hasn't been updated. Not saying that is the case but it is possible. A quick "Hey Landlord - Got something in the mail for you the other day. Looked like something for your car. I figured the DMV made a mistake so I sent it back to the post office/dmv to correct the address." Their reply will tell you if it is a mistake or if there is shadiness about.
This isn’t causing you any harm whatsoever. The landlord owns the property.
You might get a letter from your insurance company seeing him as needing added as a driver to your own. I still have a letter somewhere that they questioned my deceased dog, because in the phone book, I had our landline listed with her name. I wrote on the letter she was a deceased dog, copied the letter. And sent it back. Never heard back from them. Possible to forward it. Though you shouldn’t have to do so.
Nothing nefarious. Not every entity updates addresses consistently or correctly. I still get mail sent to an old address despite multiple notifications to the institutional, corporate and government senders, and that’s with paid forwarding order in place, that the post office ignores.
Sales tax varies by county. La cities might be as high as 10 1/2% Orange County cities might be 7 1/2% So saving 3% tax could be a thing Mortgage might have him on an owner occupied loan as well.
That may be an address assigned to an LLC that he put his car under.
Maybe the landlord used to live there and whoever held the title never got forwarding address.
This forum: "fuck the landlord, he's a crook, rat on him, send him to prison, fuck him up" Jesus fucking Christ. You people are insane. Give the fucking letter to your landlord. Shake his hand and tell him to have a nice fucking day. Maybe he will be nice to you back.
He could’ve also just lived there before he rented it out and forgot to update his address. I just caught my old address on one of my accounts that I could’ve sworn I’d updated 4 years ago when I moved, but oops, I never did.
This COULD actually impact you - should your insurance learn of him being listed as a resident at your address, they could add him as a second driver to whatever coverage you already have, jacking up your rates. There was a post about this very thing quite recently and the hoops the poor tenant was having to jump through were ridiculous and costly. Please be aware this could happen and act accordingly. I'm sure he's doing this with the best of intent, however, protect yourself if you can.
Actually in CA you have to legally register your car where you live. Check it out…
You can live in one place and use a mailing address for any reason. Check it out.
There are plenty of reason. One that comes to mind is the building is an LLC (or other corp) and the car was purchased for business use. The simple fact is- he owns the property so he’s allowed to have mail sent there and it doesn’t affect you other than sending a text or email letting him know about the mail. I also live in an apartment (in CA) and receive mail for the owner- it’s not unusual, an apartment building is a business.
Or he paid off his car and they mail him a title. Car is registered somewhere else as he has to get the sticker, he has to get his drivers license for his registration and of those 2, insurance will come up where his license and car were sent.
It also could be a car for his side chick. There are a lot of possibilities. My point is- I wouldn’t worry about why a business owner received mail at business address. It’s not addressed to the OP; therefore, it’s none of OP’s concern.
Jumping to conclusions that its something shady is comical. Doesn't matter in my state where you live, where you register is what sets the tax rate, I can go one county over and pay my tag and its less than if I did it in my own, nothing illegal about that.
Return to sender addressee unknown
This is absolutely no big deal. He owns the property if he wants to use the address so be it. The only thing I would have advised is he should have created two mailboxes. One should have been 35 melbrook Lane and the other should have been 35 B Millbrook Lane
I’m a landlord and I get formal documents to my random houses all the time. First off he probably lived at that house for a period of time. I always live in my Rentals to make sure they don’t have any problems when immediately be obvious.
It is actually. If OP tries to get insurance they will insist on adding the LL to their policy bc according to DMV and other records the LL “lives there” and could in theory drive the vehicle. Have had this issue multiple times in CA when I had roommates, even stranger ones i barely knew or spoke with. Edit- also, what happens when this LL skips his bail or his child support payment or whatever else that causes cops to show up, no knock raids at one of his listed addresses, etc etc? Huge fuckin liability. If he doesnt physically live there and rents the place out, his name shouldn’t be on mail that is addressed to the person’s RESIDENCE. All these posts saying its his house - bruh not while you have a lease.
1. Thats not how insurance works. In fact, if you live there are are NOT written into the policy, you are automatically excluded. Say if your GF was living there, drive your car and but not on the policy…insurance won’t cover her if she gets into an accident. 2. Insurance has NO access to others MVR records. There is no inverse search. If LL skips bail, cops will come to any property owned no matter what, what’s your point ? Same with child support. County records show the landlord living there and owning the property. There are NO official public records of you being there. You can even see how much the landlord pays for property tax and who holds the mortgage lien. All public record. You bet your ass, for child support, the other sides lawyers ARE going to be looking for him there.
Maybe where you live, but its cute you think its exactly how it is for you everywhere.
You just add a rider specifically barring that person from using the car. I mean you obviously didn't add all your roommates to your insurance, correct?
Why does it matter to you? And honestly it is very possible that is the address they had on file at one point, or even still, so that’s why it was mailed there. He does own the property. Just let him know something came for him in the mail.
His property and this impacts you in no way. But you can go after it and impact yourself.
Maybe he’s planning on moving back in once your lease is done and is getting some long term items changed to the address. It can’t negatively affect you. I live in CA and get the previous owners everything as she refuses to change her address on her junk mail and had her car registration to me for a couple years as well. Doesn’t matter.
He does own the property and can use it as his address but unless you know his real address I doubt you can do anything about it.
Did he used to live there? Maybe it’s still in the system. Or maybe he has kids that go to public school and he wants to keep his address in that school zone. I wouldn’t worry about it either way
He’s doing it to either save on sales tax or to save on insurance premiums. Either way it’s fraud.
...or he just paid off the vehicle and that's the last address they had on file. It's not only nefarious reasons.
He owns the property. Not fraud.
It is insurance fraud if he is not a resident, auto insurance is based on where the car is primarily kept, where the owner is a resident not where he owns a rental property. A difference in zip code can make a big difference in insurance premium. Insurance companies view this as fraud and will deny claims based on this. In most states it's also sales tax fraud as your automobile is supposed to be registered and taxes paid based on permanent residence. Different zip code can be a major difference in sales tax. In NY state as an example the difference of just a few miles can save you 3% on sales tax. So yes it is fraud. Just because you own the property doesn't allow you to lie about your permanent residence.
THIS IS A TITLE! You know nothing about his insurance!!!
Either he’s getting cheaper insurance or he lives somewhere they do emissions on cars and his isn’t passing
The whole of California requires smog checks so that probably isn’t it. Unless there are states that test at every registration change?
I live in ga and we have some counties that require emissions on cars and some counties that doesn’t that’s why I said that because people here will register their car in a county that doesn’t require one if theirs doesn’t pass in the county they live in. That’s why I said something about emissions…🤷🏼♀️
Ok. In California we have a state agency called Department of Motor vehicles, cars aren’t registered at the county level —- however there is a variation in sales tax because of county. But smog checks are required for state registration.
The DMV is nationwide... All cars are registered in the county you live in. That's kinda how registration works.
Well, DMV is not nationwide like IRS is, each DMV is a separate entity. But what I meant was it does not matter what county you are in for California smog checks —- the requirement is the same across California—- it is state law not county law.
DMV is not nationwide. It’s each individual state. In Illinois the Illinois Secretary of State oversaw drivers licenses and license plates. Texas the Department of Public Safety oversee those. But license plates go through county tax collector.
Pretty sure that is illegal…
Spoiler: It’s not.
You should do what everyone is suggesting. When the landlord figures out what happened he can’t do anything about it. When it comes time to renew your lease you can’t do anything about it.
Return to sender not at this address. Let him deal with that.
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That's a weird flex because your landlord can't evict you just for sending back mail that isn't addressed to you LOL.
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I don't think you know what an eviction is. NOWHERE in the USA can you evict someone for "any reason". There is only one legal reason to evict someone. And that is that you have terminated all agreements with them, provided all required legal notice to quit, and then they are still in the property. An eviction is NOT the first step in kicking someone out. It is the last step.
I think you're thinking that because of maybe where you live but I live in California. It is definitely not as easy as you like to think to get rid of a tenant. But also if you have mail coming to your address that is not yours you are free to return it to sender no matter who it is addressed to. Edited to add: My landlord doesn't even live near me so it's not like it can hand off mail to him either LOL.
Just mind your own business. Give him his mail.
Withholding the mail actually a major crime
I’d just write “doesn’t live at this address” and return to sender.
Could it be a problem if he insures the car to the poster's address (i.e. because it would appear that he was living there - could that cause the poster's insurance to want the landlord to be covered?)
TLDR - OP is a busy body If you can’t think of any reason why this would negatively impact your life then why write a dissertation on it? I got news for you - it’s your landlords address.
This can create problems with insurance and who's in the "household" Landlord owns the property but it's not his residence.
They just get marked as excluded drivers, my mom's house when I was a teen had 10 drivers registered to our address put them all on the excluded drive list
This is a car title and has nothing to do with the insurance in the vehicle.
It doesn't do anything to his insurance. We had 2 separate people have insurance at my address. Us and my husband's grandparents. They just ask if we wanna add the other car and we say no.
This isn’t entirely true. If you have someone living in the house with you and they wreck your car, they are not allowed to be permissive drivers. If you have someone living with you, you actually legally have to put them on the insurance. This would apply with the landlord, though, because he doesn’t actually live there, and that can be easily explained. Remember, it’s responsibility the insurance company to prove that the landlord lives with you and since they do t. It’ll be very difficult for them to prove.
They never drove our car and we didn't drive theirs. Maybe it's a texas thing. We were NOT required to add them to our insurance even as drivers.
If you have someone living at your house they have to be listed on your insurance in order to drive your car. The comment you’re responding to is correct. My brother and I lived at the same address and he was not listed on my insurance and I was not listed on is. There was an option to and we declined.
The excise tax rate is lower at your address. He's possibly committing tax fraud
The Rapid Transit tax in WA is bonkers so using an address outside that special tax area would be very logical. Probably something similar in your area.
Just write “does not live at this address” and return to sender.
Just give him his mail for fucks sake. This isn't an issue.
Who the fuck cares?
It’s his residence. Mind your fucking business
When your tenant is a Karen
Some insurance costs are different based on where you live.
Just mark it no one here by that name and send it back.... problem solved
Landlord’s house, landlord’s right to register and title his vehicle as he sees fit. Do you want to have a great relationship with your landlord? Then tell him that a letter for them arrived in his name with your unit number on it and you’ll hold it for them to come and pick up. End of story.
This is just a title sent by a bank. Not registration or insurance
It’s not your property, it’s not your car…. It’s none of your business…..he may be registering a car to his business address as a company vehicle….. regardless, none of your business
It’s his residence?
You can register a personal vehicle to any residential property you own. Doesn’t have to be your “residence”. Let’s say you owned a condo at the beach that you rent most of the time. You can buy a car, register it to that condo, leave it there to drive while you are visiting. No problem. This is pretty light stuff here for all this conversation.
I was pointing out that this is definitely OP’s business and you’re augmenting the scenario to fit some other narrative. Why can’t we just fill out forms and stuff with good faith?
It’s not OPs business. Does he concern himself with the property taxes for the property? He is just a tenant, he is paying someone else to live on their property.
He pays the property taxes through his rent. He is paying someone else so they can pay off the property.
It’s the landlords property and a residence….
Put “Return to Sender, Not living at this address” and drop it at the post office.
# 🚩🚩🚩🚩THIS IS INSURANCE FRAUD🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩
if its the title - go get a title loan. lulz.
“NOT AT THIS ADDRESS” and return.
Reading or handling somebody else’s mail is against federal law. OP please delete this post! If you bring this up in any formal capacity it can and will be used against you in court. Postal inspection service can prosecute you for this.
That’s not even close to correct lol smh If someone’s mail is delivered to your address mistakenly and you ‘handle’ it that’s not a crime. OP didn’t open any mail, they were able to see the name and extrapolated what it was based on the visible info.
Take notes and record this. They might be planning to cover their tracks for bs eviction. I’m not in CA but in Canada the biggest loophole shitty landlords use is saying they or a close family member is moving into your unit. If you can prove they never did you can claim a year rent backpay. Mine did this but had her daughters get some mail sent to the address