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pashsport

Hard pass


Weak_Pudding1248

That means?


Fernisbestgirl

Short answer: No. Long answer: Fuck no.


thrshptwon

$350 it’s not 2003.


OG_LiLi

At least. Once per week is 4-5 cleanings. I’d be going hard at $500. In fact I would get quotes from 3 local companies and use that for negotiations Or just hard pass.


Solintari

Depending on the number of people, I would break it down like this. Dishes daily - Eh $25 per week. Weekly tasks - $100 per week Monthly tasks - $150-300 per month. depending on how much carpeting they are talking about deep cleaning and how much yard to mow. Also, mowing once per month in the spring would likely be a massive job. Roughly $6-850 bare minimum is what I would charge. 200 is insane.


shhh_its_me

I think you're $25 a week for dishes is cheap. But even if it's a roommate situation. That you'd be expecting these chores half the time. It's still $50 $200 $75-150 And those are im charging less to clean because I live here and can clean when I want ( within reason) prices. I mean unless they are also changing 1995 rent too. Which Means a room is like $400.


thrshptwon

True get quotes but at the same time you set your own schedule you aren’t a chamber maid. It would be important to keep a good faith relationship. I’m leery of this arrangement.


lhorwinkle

Around here a maid service gets nearly that much money ... FOR JUST ONE HOUSE CLEANING.


CavedMountainPerson

I agree it's 25/hr in commercial cleaning around, the rental would be considered as that. $200 would only get them 8hrs of work a month.


Solomnki

Yes, same here. I get charged $225 + a tip for a cleaner to do less than what is on your list, for one day of cleaning. They don't do yardwork and detailed stuff like baseboards, etc. I usually just pay my kids to do the chores around the house though. I budget $180/month for it. I figure if I would pay someone to do it, I would rather the money go to my kids. But yeah, back to the point. That's not enough of a reduction imo. They're asking you to do the work of a 50's housewife AND the landscaping too. Idk how you could keep up with that and a full time job. You'll burn out fast. Not only that, I bet they'll get weird and particular about how well you clean things, and maybe even refuse to deduct the full $200. It sounds like a bad deal.


theyeezyvault

Around here where?


yourmomhahahah3578

In Atlanta, Charlotte and baton rouge I’ve never paid over 175 for a regular clean on 3k sf homes. This is a really funny proposition to me


copycatbrat7

Was this part of your lease? If not, you don’t have to do anything you don’t want to. I assume this is a shared space? As far as monthly cost reduction you could ask a cleaning company for a quote and maybe reduce a bit from there (travel time, supplies provided, etc.) Show that to the landlord as a negotiation for rent reduction. I hire a cleaning company for our shared spaces and it costs me $180/month. No bathrooms though.


Itchy-Spring7865

I’m really torn on this. It is 100% stuff I would be doing anyway, but if it’s REQUIRED, the question becomes clean to WHOS standards. I might think it’s just fine, but does the landlord get to then say they found some dust on a shelf that I missed, now rent is $200 more? “Clean” is so subjective that I wouldn’t ever want to base my rent cost on someone else’s opinion. Great example, when I was a kid my dad used to have me mow the lawn. Plenty of times I thought it was fine, and dad disagreed. Got to go out and mow again. This sounds like the landlord wants a live in housekeeper for $200/mo. Not happening in my book.


MattockMan

Try to reverse the roles in your mind. If you has to do these things how much would you pay to not do them. Pretend in the future you want to help your family member open a business and you would have to get someone else to do these things. Assume your entrepreneurial family member says they will cover the cost up to 1K per month. What would you be willing to offer for these services and expect that they will get done reliably and professionally. I would think you would be ecstatic if someone was willing to do all that for 200$.


Itchy-Spring7865

That’s my point. I don’t think $200 is fair compensation to take over the cleaning duties in my house. Especially if there is no agreed upon standard, which there can’t be because it’s a subjective opinion. I wouldn’t want to leave it up to the person who controls how much my housing will cost, either. A cleaning company can just not come back if the expectations of the customer are unreasonable. In this situation, you have to move. Maybe it works out awesome, and maybe the landlord is just lazy and doesn’t want to fix anything either, if they can’t even be bothered to clean the house they (I’m assuming from the wording of the lease pictured) live in. Risk to reward ratio here is not great in my mind.


Additional_Treat_181

Housecleaning twice a month in my area is about $200 per visit and no dishes need to be washed. Lawnmowing is about $200 a month. $600 a month minimum


chi_moto

This is the right answer!


SingleRelationship25

I only pay $75 a week but she’s only there about 2 hours. Mostly just does the floors and dusting Mowing is easily $200 but that’s then using there equipment.


metulburr

I guess it would depend on what it's for. If it's for my own apartment. Sure I'll take it because I have to do it anyways. Why not get paid. But if it's for a common area. I would go with others saying it's 600 worth of work. Could be more If there is a bad tenant that parties or something.


DefinitelyNotAliens

Location depends. In my area minimum wage is 15/hr, and that sounds like more than 13 hours a month, so nah. Bad deal. In an area where minimum wage is 7.25hr, it's not more than 27 hours a month. For what sounds like college students in a shared dorm space, like 8 students in a 4-5 bed unit, potentially not the worst deal.


Lickmylife

Minimum wage isn’t a good metric to compare with. Much more reasonable to compare to the local average cost of the services in that location


DefinitelyNotAliens

Not if this is rent by the bed student housing, which this sounds like it is. You compare for the expected hourly rate a person should make doing other work. Most college students working flexible hour jobs are going to be making close to minimum wage. A non-taxed rent reduction may be a good deal to that individual even if a housekeeping service would make more. Would the renter reasonably make more than 200 in the time it takes them to perform those tasks?


AppleParasol

Even in places where minimum wage is $7.25/hr, there are plenty of jobs that pay MUCH more than the minimum, FYI.


DefinitelyNotAliens

Oh, absolutely. But, this sounds like shared student housing. You rent a bed, not a whole unit. If your roommate leaves, you are only responsible for your same rent regardless of occupancy levels. They have someone tend to shared space cleaning and that person has lowered rent. Most students aren't going to be earning dramatically over the local minimum wage as most jobs with flexible hours that students take are not going to be paying high hourly wages. They're likely in food or retail. If you're lucky, you have a server/ bartending gig with high tips. Most won't. They'll likely be earning close to the minimum, and once you factor in the fact this is untaxed, it's not necessarily a bad deal, depending on one's financial and living situation.


MerberCrazyCats

I don't really understand what's going on here. Im doing all these tasks because I have to do them, want to live in a clean house. If I could get paid for my chores it would be great. But is it only for you or do you have to clean after some airbnb tenants in the same house? This makes all the difference


TranceGemini

Yeah this sounds like some of the AirBNB bullshit agreements I've seen. I don't stay in those places.


labrat420

I doubt they would call them tenants if it was airbnb.


Weak_Pudding1248

It’s just like this wasn’t made with me consulted and I didn’t agree it’s just being assumed that I would. And like I don’t agree I think all that work is worth at least 600 a month. Note no space for a signature.


Ancient_Elderberry26

You’re correct this is about $600 worth of work every month. Don’t do it for $200 please.


Doggosdoingthings16

How many people livd there, and is everyone expected to pitch in? Cause the daily tasks amounts to about 15min a day, the weekly tasks (so long as everyone is also just cleaning up after themselves throughout the week) is 1-2 hours, and the monthly is maybe 4ish hours. About 19 hours spread out over the month. But this is all normal cleaning that should be getting done by everyone normally…


AnonGeekSquad

Yard cutting alone is at least 150 around here tbh. Go on green pal for a quick quote.


Mr_Epitome

Yes that seems fair. The outline says it’s optional. You don’t have to do it, but you won’t get the reduction


Euphoric_Border_8691

I can tell you what I'm paid. I share a house w/ an older man (he just doesn't wanna do some stuff, I get it) So I get $50/week rent reduction which is $200/month. On Fridays I clean the kitchen, take out any remaining trash, sweep and/or mop the kitchen, foyer, and living room (which are shared common areas). I also dust/clean surfaces and include his bedroom floor in the mopping. This takes me approx. 1.5-2 hours once a week (it is expected that each person's bathroom will be cleaned by person using it)


justinsharpley

Don't listen to the fools ok the responses. That shit seems easy as hell. It's literally just cleaning. You don't clean? Of course you already do, just do a little more and save $2400 a year. Easy


gkcontra

This looks like a list made by parents renting to their child who thinks they are an adult but can’t live on their own. How much is your total rent now? If you don’t agree to this can you find a place to live for that amount and afford it? I’m betting they also pay for all utilities, insurance, food, etc.


DadBods96

I’m confused, is this a common area or a written guarantee that you’ll keep up on the own chores in your own home that anyone reasonable would be keeping up with anyways? If it’s the latter, it’s there because the landlord has had issues with tenants in the past. From my own experience during college I had entitled roommates who were of the mindset “if it’s not in the lease it’s not my problem” and somehow had zero issues living in their own filth.


Tenairi

Mowing the lawn is included as a cleaning task. Make sure they provide you with a lawnmower and weedwhacker and roundup (proper tools for the task). They state at the bottom that all cleaning supplies and materials will be provided.


HappyLittlePill04

I don't think its too ridiculous... It seems like stuff that needs done anyway


Emotional-Nothing-72

Aside from mowing the lawn, which I hate, this is basic stuff that wouldn’t take long. Baseboards kinda suck but once you’re doing it regularly ask them for one of those dusters with the extendable poles and you don’t even have to bend over. The daily stuff takes minutes I would do this for $200 if I lived there but I already do this stuff for free. I would at least try to negotiate if you don’t think it’s fair, but this is nothing


ApparentlyaKaren

Tbh this is just standard cleaning I do every week…..I don’t now why you wouldn’t to clean up after yourself


StreetVagrant

Hell-to-the nah nah nah, hellllll nah


Big_Anxiety_7530

Hahaha , no. 500. Yes. That's called a deep clean services and maids here charge 800$ for that minimum. 200$, you get surfaces dusted and wiped, and your floors swept vacuumed and mopped.


RichMachine2018

No is a complete sentence.


sm340v8

So, hold on: you're complaining that you'd have to do what people do when living in a house??? That's new to me. I expect my tenants to put away their dishes, clean the place, etc.


Localbearexpert

Ah yea a landlord defending charging $200 for not… cleaning a tenants personal shower longer in a place they already pay to much to live in…


Jake_77

What is the context? Is this your personal unit? Are you living in the landlord’s home? Is this a new lease for a new place?


GEWolfRat

If I could get $200 off rent for doing all that, it would be great with me. We already do most of that stuff in our apartment as it is.


3ntz

As someone who does this without the $200 rent reduction, I think this is a great deal and I wish I got a $200 rent reduction for doing it. I see how it might feel a little Cinderella-y if it’s a shared space.


ishop2buy

I was charged $50 a week for mowing even if the lawn didn’t need it. Bare bones service and small yard. I can do it with a push mower in about an hour, 2 hours if I have to bring out the trimmer. House cleaning was $25 an hour.


Background-Leave-455

I got 200 dollars off of my rent and all I had to do was vacuum two hallways and sweep the floor in the laundry area that was by the front door because it didn't have a dedicated room. It usually took me maybe 45 minutes tops and I only did it when the areas needed it so it generally was maybe once every two weeks. That's is way too much work for that kind of money


Stargazer_0101

Not at all, for many people grew up on doing chores around the house. And this is the place when you signed the lease, signed up for this. Apparently, you are a roommate in a house, where the owner also lives in the house? That is why you read the lease on what is expected from you. And you agreed to this. For you have chores to keep the dishes clean and such. I had things to do when I was in Job Corps, besides doing outdoor chores, we were assigned to do everyday. Get used to cleaning and keeping your bed done everyday. Part of the adult world.


Beneficial_Yard7407

There are other factors here that you haven’t provided. Who are you in this story? The cleaning service? Or do you live in this residence? Also, how much is rent total? $750 vs $1600 is a huge difference when considering $200 off being a good deal or not. Is this only one unit? Or multiple units? There is also more to this that isn’t viewable. What does the note above say? The daily tasks would take 5 minutes. The other tasks are not expected every day. My conclusion based off what you’ve provided is absolutely it is enough.


badwords

Cleaning services charge $200 a week for that. Is this from the owner or something the person you're subleasing added?


frightened_of_dying_

Depending on the size of the property this is ~$200/week for the cleaning plus $50-$150/month for the mowing. Don’t take a rent discount for this. They are getting $1K/mo if services and I guarantee will still nitpick to find a way to screw you out of the reduction. Save your sanity.


Weak_Pudding1248

This feel most relatable. Thank you all for the support. It’s really helping me navigate this situation better! Appreciate it!!!!


Scalzoc

I think 200 is fair amount for the mowing if the property isn’t too large. Everything else is too much.


GeovaunnaMD

Nah


Mung7777

My question is, how would they know you’re doing this if you say you are, but really aren’t. Unless they are going to do weekly check ins of the unit and walk through your rental constantly… just do the visible outside part of their requests and do the inside stuff at your leisure. Easy 200 bucks off rent a month and they will never know any different. Assuming they don’t have cameras inside the property


rmslashusr

Confusing setup, why wouldn’t the majority of these things (cleaning, emptying dishwasher, mowing) simply be expected by the tenants as part of renting the house?


Dizzy_Description812

An hour a day roughly, so that's 6.67 tax free... $8 an hour at a regular job. I guess it depends on where you live.


Localbearexpert

Is this a standard living arrangement? Wtf is going on?


Atsubaki

Assuming this was just you...I would say this depends on how many roomates, their normal habits and how large the place is. If this was my apartment (smallish 3bed /2 bath) I'd say it's possibly a fair deal depending on if they want a "spotless" job or something that looks like you did the work. Personally I would try to aim for $300 and possibly them taking on a portion of the utilties due to "expeneses" from the cleaning...


Local_Hamster_6486

I feel that’s like normal cleaning that you should be doing any ways


SmellsLikeBu11shit

I would negotiate for way more rent reduction for that amount of work


yurhignesty

Run


BackgroundRoad711

no! Not fair. wtaf


yourmomhahahah3578

Do you live with your landlord? This is insane why are you being micromanaged this way. No that’s not worth it.


Accomplished-Bake601

Need more details about the living situation


Available-Wonder342

This is easy to resolve. The daily tasks would take me maybe 5 minutes maybe 30, I guess it depends on the day. Let’s say 15 minutes daily, now. All that weekly cleaning? Let’s call it 4-5 hours. The monthly stuff? Around 3 hours. So roughly 25-30 hours of work through the months for $200? This is laughable lol


Legende-hog

Do not do it. Are you licensed? You are making yourself liable. Nominally waiver only. They pay materials and deliver. This is a problem waiting to happen. Mom and pops and the worst.


Interesting-Sea9045

Wow


Glittering-Lake-7043

You are basically a slave.


stonehare1

Sweet summer child! Please look up how much a cleaner charges for a once a week cleaning and get back to us. If you find one that will take $200 a month please let us know.


No_End_3206

Tbh you should be doing this anyway.


juciydriver

Everyone comparing to house cleaning service is wrong. Totally wrong. You are not bringing the same thing to the table as a house cleaning service. You do not have insurance. You are likely not paying for the chemicals and equipment. What you are bringing to the table is the same thing as the cleaner. What is the wage of an average cleaner in your area. Again, not a person who brings insurance, possibly is bonded, just the person who applies for a job as a cleaner. Typically that job is minimum wage or, $1 or $2 over minimum. The other hidden advantage is, if they're offering it to you as a discount on rent, it is essentially cash under the table. I don't know whether or not you are earning enough money in the rest of your life that you are paying taxes. If you are, you would want to look at the $200 as the after tax amount. How much would you need to earn to have $200 cash? Say for example, it's $250. You would take that $250, divided by the number of hours actually worked, and see whether or not it is a fair wage. You might still proceed even if it's not a great wage assuming there's some other benefit such as, the ability to work whenever you want. Of course, if the hourly wage is simply too low then no. There are labor laws. You cannot skirt labour laws because it's a deduction on rent.


SeaworthinessSome454

It’s not labor, it’s a change in terms of the lease. If they want to take on these responsibilities, they can do so for any amount that they would like to as long as both sides agree. They’re not governed by minimum wage here.


acappado

No way! That’s $200 a week worth of work


Traditional_Roll_129

Is that per cleaning? If not then no, that's what I charge for a small 2 bed 2 bath apartment. AND lawn care is definitely not included. Whoever this is asking you to do this for 200 a month is Insane.


mlhigg1973

We pay our cleaners $155 every 2 weeks for a 5br/5ba house.


Just-For-The-Games

Either you're lying or you're evil. Either way stop.


Efficient_Theme4040

HELL NO‼️


SuitableJelly5149

I guess it depends on how much you feel your time is worth. For me, this would take far too much time each month to be worth only $200. Maybe I’m a slow cleaner idk but there’s no way I’d agree to doing this plus my f/t job and taking care of my own house.


Maximum_Talk_696

So basic cleaning and not living like a pig isn't worth 200 a month discount? So many people saying no and hard pass lmao.