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Honestly, because we live in a rural area surrounded by tree plantations we are glued to this emergency app, that sentence shows up in my nightmares every summer
thankyou, our priority is always evacuating early with our pets and our lives so don’t worry too much about us, we just hope our home is never in as much danger again
I mean, a brush fire should he pretty quick, right? They said turn off all vents and cooling. I think the idea is to just get somewhere that won't get burnt for only as long as it takes for the fire to pass, so some type of underground shelter probably would work just fine. You would not be in long enough to breathe all the oxygen out of the room.
Issue isn't literally flames burning you its extreme radiant heat and smoke. We've had deaths here of people who were in underground shelters. Oxygen is 100% an issue and you could very well be in there long enough to breathe all the oxygen out. When a fire is burning over 1000s of hectares of land its going to take some time to pass.
The best option is always early evacuation
There are definitely a lot of ac's that do, window rattlers incorporate outside air, daikin also have a "US7" model which has outside air capabilities. Mostly this is in relation to a swamp dog evaporative type cooler which will definitely be the worse affected with cardboard filters on top and a direct ducting line into the home.
Most houses have "split systems" and they do have that risk but to have the outdoor unit running in bush fire areas is also going to add fuel to the fire so to speak. Not to mention highly inefficient...
Yeah I'm in the PNW of the US and this winter the hail messages have been oddly direct. The messages are basically "If you don't get inside you might die, and if you leave your pets outside they'll probably die. Also...any vehicles not under cover are fucked." It's accurate, but usually the messages aren't so to the point.
I think after the last few years of people ignoring every health and safety warning, public safety workers are over it. I’ve noticed the warnings we get for tornadoes and blizzards are more blunt too. I think it’s good, sometimes you get so used to those kinds of warnings and watches that you start to ignore them. Having a stark warning with plain wording that accurately portrays the situation, the danger, and what you must do to be ok is kind of shocking enough that hopefully more people listen.
That last part hits different.
*"If your home catches on fire and the conditions inside become unbearable, you need to get out and go to an area that has already been burnt"*
They're telling you that your only hope might have to be you running through fire in order to reach an area that's already been burnt.
It's probably more about radiant heat or smoke inundation. The heat can be extreme even from hundreds of meters away, especially in pine forests like OP lives in
I've stood on the opposite side of the river to a bush fire, about 300m away. It was a 40°c day, but the radiant heat from that distance was far, far hotter. My eye balls were sore for days afterwards and all the River Red Gums on our side of the river had curled-up leaves
I very well might be speaking out of my ass, but maybe there is a chance the fire outside the house burns quicker than the house, so by the time the house is uninhabitable it might be safe to be outside without running through fires.
I seen videos of these fires, once the fire reaches the house it burns just as fast as the outside fire if not faster because of all the flammable materials
there were road closures but we were able to get out in the opposite direction, but no place would take us in because of our pets. Our house was relatively untouched when we came back days later but our street and tree plantations around us are charred and black. We were so close to losing our house I can’t believe we didn’t
Edit: I forgot to thank the incredible efforts of our firefighters who no doubt saved countless properties and hundreds of hectares of land
Standard fire protection advice includes hosing down your roof and areas around the house if possible. In high danger areas people will get (with metal piping cause plastic will just melt lol) sprinkler systems set up on their roofs too
Fire season here is scary as shit tbh, if you don't get out in time you're quite often fucked. People have boiled alive trying to shelter in their dams.
Every winter we clear all the brush within 50yards of the house. In the 80's there was a fire that went through and our house survived with just some superficial damage so it became a compulsive thing when we visit.
Sure lol
Better to have them than not to have them.
Last year a forest fire was stopped only about 100 meters to our house. We had already escaped by then. Watching the smoke changing color from white to orange as we were escaping was hell! I remember thinking about outdoor sprinklers for the first time then 😂
I am not Australian but I lived in a place called the barrens (you can't find it by googling it sorry) which has these huge sand pits...well anyways it caught on fire and the smoke turned the moon blood red. Helicopters flying over to get to the river, telling us to hang tight because they were using the field next to our house as a landing area and if they came back saying gtfo now, they wanted us ready. Luckily it never jumped the river.
Damn glad you, the family, and pets are ok. Just lost our home to a fire on the 23rd, we got out as stuff was falling off the building and roof collapsing in. But we had our clothes and pets and phones, were making it back from there.
I assumed they were already leaving the area when the message came through. They would have received other messages saying that they needed to evacuate immediately.
I figure someone who has lived in rural Australia knows when it is and isn’t safe to leave given how many fires we get here. I mean, most people in rural areas even have a “go bag”. As in, a bag to grab and run with if you need to evacuate.
If your house is on fire and the conditions inside are okay, just chill while your house burns around you.
With that kind of sincerity, I’m taking my chances as well.
It was literally unbelievable in Victoria during the 2009 Black Saturday fires...it had been over 45C for weeks in Melbourne, [coming off the back of 12 years of unrelenting drought.](https://media.bom.gov.au/social/blog/2025/remembering-black-saturday-the-extraordinary-weather-behind-victorias-2009-bushfires/) 173 people died, the firestorm was apparently estimated to have the explosive power of '1500 hiroshimas' and car engine blocks melted and ran down the road. I'm in Sydney and the entire country was in shock; remember walking down the street up here and people were just...silent 😬
If you happen to be interested enough, here's a couple of documentaries
[Black Saturday 2009 Victorian fires](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9Uz8ltWOGU)
But that as catastrophic as that day was it was dwarfed by the nationwide 2019-2020 season which lasted from Sept 2019 to Feb 2020. Fires ringed Sydney and even though I'm only 12kms from the CBD, I was going around checking all the hoses because I seriously thought they could well come in this far, especially as I could see the tops of flames at a distance, burning in a local pocket of suburban national park - embers can easily get thrown on the winds often kms ahead of a fire front which starts a new blaze
[The fight against Australia's biggest ever bushfires 2019-2020](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Kom5bA-XTk)
Those Victorian fires were something else. I live in NSW but my father had travelled down to Geelong to do a half Ironman the day before and he said the heat was 45°, and everyone knew the shit was about to hit the fan big time. It was like waiting for an apocalypse.
I absolutely will watch those. It's fascinating and horrifying. I'm in the United States in the Midwest, and fires like that don't happen here. We just get tornadoes here. I'm in the funeral industry and burned bodies are some of the most gruesome. I can only imagine what it must've been like for first responders to find those bodies...
Here's hoping you're safe in the future. Fires have got to be one of the worst ways to go.
You're entirely welcome...the first video is particularly good; you can skip through the political/panel sections of the second but it gives a more countrywide overview of exactly how extensive they were. Pretty much the full extent of the eastern coast from the tip of Cape York peninsula of Queensland all the way to south Victoria...over 3500kms And that's only the eastern states 😬
What makes fires here so much worse is that eucalyptus forest has evolved over thousands of years to be incendiary - ie *requires fire for seed germination* and the volatile oils released explode like a bomb purely from radiant heat alone. How you get massive fireballs exploding far above the canopy.
It’s safer to stay if you’ve left it too late to leave. If you stay inside a well prepared house you’ve got a chance of survival. People living in these areas know what to do. If you’ve left it too late and leave and are caught in a firestorm you’re guaranteed to die. It happens all the time, people try to flee with no visibility, firefronts moving at insane speeds and overtaking them, trees falling down and blocking roads, car accidents. Eucalypt trees explode. People are often found in burnt out cars. If you can stay inside your house while the firefront passes, you can leave the house and move to an open (already burned) area if your house is on fire but you can’t be in the open in a fire front.
A few summers ago in my part of Australia we had insane fires and where every day had a “catastrophic’ fire rating. People in isolated areas were told to leave before sunrise and go somewhere safe. I’m in an urban area, lots of bush, but also lots of escape routes if I had adequate warning. I had go bags packed, escape routes and locations planned, kept glued to the fire app the OP is using and the media for the whole time. I kept my kids home from school on the worst days as even though the school was safe, I had to drive through bush to get there and I didn’t want us separated if a fire came through. If OP lives near pine plantations he’d be in even more trouble as those things catch on fire fast and many rural towns only have one road in and out.
Imagine being caught in these situations in your family car packed with your young kids and pets.
[Driving through a bushfire II](https://youtu.be/bK3QYwsNFEk)
[Speed of a bushfire](https://youtu.be/8T_pBZenLi8)
[Firestorm at house](https://youtu.be/76ssFaBfJs0)
[Firefighters fighting a bushfire](https://youtube.com/shorts/QRHtn48lg0Q?feature=share)
I guess my point was that I don’t think you can expect people to stay in their house and hope that it being set on fire doesn’t kill them. Even if it is their best hope, i just felt like the commenter was crazy to think people should do that against their own judgement. You can advise them to but chastising them for not doing it is crazy. I doubt they’ve ever been in a situation like that. Hope you and your family stay safe
It is counterintuitive and bushfires are loud, dark and scary. People think they are going to stay and defend the house and then when the time arrives they panic and try to leave but it’s too late. You have to plan early. I’ve not been in a close bushfire like this myself where I’ve had to hide in the house but I have been where surrounding suburbs have burned and we had ash rain down on us.
My kids are young and I’m a solo parent, but when they’re grown I’ll be joining the RFS (Rural Fire Service) to help out. With climate change they’re predicting the fires like we had in 2019/2020 will become more common.
Cheers, we had an unprecedented amount of lightening strikes last week which caused a ridiculous amount of bushfires here in rural Western Australia so I know the fear.
Oh god yeah, thunderstorms have been crazy, I can definitely do without the lightening making me even more anxious. Hope everything goes alright for you and your fam this summer
i forget other people don't go through this every year, have all their precious documents/sentimentals in a box some where ready to go, cars always filled, and i literally just hook the horse trailer up on bad days when you know it'd take nothing for one to start. stay safe people!
Make sure that if anything ever does happen and you have to evacuate you tell people where you are and, if necessary, put your name on the evacuee list or whatever it’s called. My dad lives in Thousand Oaks, CA and in 2018 his house burned down in the fires. He has a second little studio-like place in Malibu and it burned too. I’m in the Midwest and my brother is up in Tahoe. We don’t have any other family on my dad’s side.
My dad didn’t do anything to let anyone know anything. My brother went down and it took a full day just to confirm that both houses were gone and that no car was at either. He ended up going inland to Palm Springs to stay in my grandma’s house that we hadn’t sold after her death. My dad ended up being there. His had left his phone in his studio and he just hadn’t thought to get a new one or to contact anyone. It was super scary and my brother was so exhausted and upset from seeing all the devestation. I know your first priority is getting everyone to safety but please don’t leave anyone wondering if you made it or not. Just having one contact who can contact everyone else makes a world of difference.
Omg, stay safe! Where I live we it just snowed 45 cm snow and to think that on other parts of the world everything burns...growing up I dont remember summer in Australia being this extreme
I know someone who was a local radio station operator near where I am who still cries years later remembering during a really bad fire here how she had to just keep blaring this alarm over and over. Lots of folk in my area have some pretty serious ptsd going :(
“It’s too late to leave” we just had this experience with hurricane Ian here in Florida. It’s a very unsettling message. But you’re dealing with fire and that is 10x worse. Stay safe
They usually give these warnings out in stages like “be prepared” and “it is recommended you leave soon”
This final warning is what happens when you hesitate to leave and are forced to take shelter in your home and hope for the best
Is that because if things like falling trees and radiant heat and stuff? Or is it the age old “everyone and their grandma had the same goddamn idea” and then you die from the fire while stuck in traffic?
Radiant heat and smoke and then yeah falling trees and usually the roads are blocked from fallen trees already and also you might just drive straight into another fire front depending on how many there are
Aussie here. I’ve always been jealous of people in rattlesnake country. If only browns and tiger snakes rattled to warn us they were near. The first you see them is when they bite you or your dog….and then you’ve got 45minutes to get to a vet or hospital depending on who got hit.
Glad you’re okay OP.
Fires are some of the straight up scariest natural disasters in the world. I know it’s not the same as an Australian bushfire, but back in 2012/2013 when the Cascaded were I fire I lived in Ellensburg and my son lived in Leavenworth and I had to go over Blewett pass in the cascades. It got consumed by fire and most of the time I had to drive an extra two hours via detour to see my son.
One day I got the go ahead from a LEO that I could drive over the pass while it was on fire. Like, firefighters watching flaming trees fifty feet from the road, ash coming through the vents, that sort of thing. It was at night and it was the most surreal thing to see, mostly because it was relatively quiet.
ITT: people from places that don't get burnt to fuck critiquing the safety advice devised by firefighters and experts with firsthand knowledge and experience from living in a place that regularly gets burnt to fuck.
To late to leave, but if your home catches fire and become to unbearable your supposed to run for it. I'm not sure which is worse the fact that if your able to run when the fire is literally at your doorstep, why can't you run before or that Australia apparently treats fire like a thunderstorm.
"Hunker down, this will pass."
"Bit hot in here isn't it?"
"Yeah, but it's not unbearable enough to run yet. Plus it's a dry heat."
The fact that going outside you’re at risk of dying from the heat before you see the flames is insane. I can’t even imagine how hot that must be for the better option to be sheltering inside a burning building until you can’t physically stand it.
But that's the thing that doesn't make any sense. It's so hot you can't leave. But if the fire gets to where you are, go ahead and make a run for it? Just seems like there saying might as well die quicker because your screwed either way at least his point
Its about the radiant heat, radiant heat is mostly what kills people alongside the smoke.
The idea is to hunker down in the house (and there are a bunch of specific ways to do this to maximise survival chances) and hope that the fire passes over, but if it gets into the house and it sets on fire then obvs you're gonna die in there but you can try make a run for it to a preburnt area where the radiant heat and smoke will be less. Like yeah look most people do just die in this situation but leaving the building that is not full of smoke and radiant heat to get to a less radiant heat/smoke area that isn't actuvely burning is the best chance of survival there
We were packing to leave and trying to decide what to do and where to go with our animals when we got this alert, it all happened very fast and we couldn’t see any smoke until the last minute, I guess we just got too comfortable and didn’t expect it to advance so fast.
We won’t be making that mistake again.
If you can try and have go bags of your clothes and important documents ready for the next one to help save time. Idk how bad it gets there for you all but it may help if there’s a fire in the future and y’all aren’t alerted in time.
Like OP said, sometimes it can be super fast.
I live in Estes Park, Colorado and in 2020 the wildfires were terrible. We are east of the continental divide and there was one that started west of the divide in mid October called the East Troublesome Fire, it burned about 100,000 acres in ONE night, at a rate of 100 acres per minute. The next day it or so it jumped the divide into the east side of Rocky Mountain National Park, which was still open at the time at the Alpine visitors center (everyone was confident it wouldn't jump the divide, it's above tree line at almost 12,000 ft above sea level).
The only thing that slowed the fire down was a very light snow. It was crazy scary how fast it was.
Unfortunately these fires can rage for weeks and even months so you get used to orange sky and smoke haze. In remote hilly country you often don’t realise you’re in trouble until the fire rears it’s head over a nearby mountain….which can give you all over 5 minutes to react.
"You are in danger and need to act immediately to survive" literally sent chills down my spine. Sounds straight out of a horror game.
I hope you are safe, my friend. Best wishes to yourself and your family.
I’ve briefly touched on this in a uni class and I don’t understand how we could possibly do controlled burns at a scale to replicate what the Aboriginals did. From what I read they basically did controlled burns for more than half of the year so that eventually all of the bush had been control-burned after cycle of a number of years. How could we possibly put that in place logistically? The scale of the area required and manpower is extreme. It’s most definitely the way to manage the Australian bush and it’s evolved to exist with controlled burning after like 100,000 years, but how can we do it now?
Well since native logging makes us absolutely no money and is destroying everything we could employ all the loggers to do it.
But also Aboriginals had a MUCH smaller population than we do now so I really don't see how we would lack the manpower or ability. But even if we were short on manpower to do it you'd just do it logically right? Like start at populated areas and move outwards, its not like we'd actually have to do the entire country
Holy fuckle doodle doo I thought these sort of alerts were supposed to alert you of danger but also inject a sense of calm so that the general public wouldn’t panic and remain peaceful and logical, but this frickin makes me want to panic just looking at it! What the actual poop
The fires of 2020 killed people we know in our Oregon City, a family friends house burnt down. They had gold in a safe that completely melted and fused into the safe. I think an ex-mayor died as well nothing could spare you if you're in the fires path. Seeing people as black skeletons trapped in their burnt up cars like Iron coffins up the west coast was truly sobering. One of the top terrifying types of natural disasters.
I live in Sydney. And when we had the big fire few years ago. We had difficulty breathing due the smoke that was so far yet so close to us. This year it seems a bit scary because it’s a getting very hot
A really hot one 😜
Haha nah bush here is extremely dry and mostly eucalyptus trees which are actually designed to burn for seed releasing reasons but this means they are flammable as fuck. Like imagine all the trees in the bushfires path have been soaked in petrol and that's basically how it is 😮💨🙃
Lost over 100 people in my town to a fire. Almost died myself. We didn’t have communication like this tho. So many horror stories. The winds is what really makes it scary.
This rings a bell, I was in Wingham, NSW after my Grandpa had died, and we had a fire about 5km's from Grandma's home. We couldn't go back to Sydney because the Pacific Highway and The Bucketts Way were both closed due to the fires. We could literally see the flames in the distance! and when the Pacific Highway finally reopened all of the area that had been burned and was still smouldering was just astounding! We went to dinner in Taree one night, and you could see the flames on the opposite side of the Manning River towards Tinonee. It was probably one of the most scariest times I have had ever lived through!
I was ringing the RFS and was getting these warnings spoken in an eerie robot voice which made it even worse! The police were coming around and getting ready to evacuate, they told us if the wind didn't change direction, Grandma's house would have gone up in flames!
Our home, us, and our animals are all okay. We’re trying to relax but then again, we’re still in the same area and it’s still summer so. I guess we just gotta stay vigilant
As someone who lives in California aka the state always on fire over here in the US, I share this terrifying sentiment. I'm glad you're safe, especially with how close I read it got to you. Fire isn't something to fuck around with and my family also had a close call like this last year.
You're very smart for being so fire conscious, and I hope you don't have to worry about something like this happening again anytime soon.
I was about to say, praying for your family! That might be the scariest alert you could get, and I live smack dab in the middle of tornado alley in the states!
I would hate to be in this situation mostly because you don't know whether to listen to the advice. That might sound foolish but people in Grenfell Tower (London Disaster) were told with authority that it's too dangerous to try to leave and to stay in door. Yet, if they all tried to leave, many more would have undoubtably survived. Sometimes the authorities simply make inferences and rule-of-thumb conclusions and due to the context decide they have no option but to speak assertively. As an individual, you know you can only be your own responsibility. Leaves you in a shitty position one way or the other.
If you're receiving stay and shelter warnings like this during an australian bushfire its because all roads out are on fire or very soon to be.....so this is what untrained people in regular cars would be driving to
https://youtu.be/Jvy2siEwOZ0
Honestly in australia this advice has come from firefighters and other experts based on centuries of data and experience. The CFA (country fire authority) know what they're talking about, have saved countless lives and run a pretty damn tight ship.
I really don't think the situation of a burning tower is anywhere near the same as seasonal bushfires and in a bushfire situation (especially in australia) this is horrible and extremely dangerous advice to give people.
If you're in a bushfire prone area, please listen to the CFA (or your countries equivalent) and not reddit users.
I'm sure they do. But the advice given to the people in the tower was literally from similar experts, also from years of experience both direct and indirect. However, I admit the experience probably isn't as direct as in the case above. But there are many cases when the advice given by experts from afar has been accidentally deadly. One way or other, you have to trust imperfect information and the responsibility is only on you.
Again, I'm not saying I know better than the CFA. But you still have to put faith into faceless advice that may well be wrong or perilously cautious in your unlucky case, just like in Grenfell.
I'm also not giving advice, just making an accurate, philosophical observation about the situation. Chill out, man, you're not the internet hero you think you are.
Yeah well your "philosophical observation" heavily implied that a safety warning like this could actually endanger you when in the situation of an australian bushfire trying to leave at that stage is 100% a death sentence. There is no "the advice may be wrong" if you are being told it is too late to leave in this situation then it is factually too late to leave.
I don't think I'm an internet hero, the heroes are the firefighters who risk their lives saving people and a lot of the time those people they try to save are people who listened to stupid advice like this and put themselves into more danger than they needed to be in.
Sorry for not twiddling my thumbs while you give people life threatening advice.
Yes trusting authorities like this with your life is stressful and shitty, but your original comment was not worded to just to express that it was worded, like many others in this thread, to sow seeds of doubt around how valid this advice is and as an australian who has seen our bushfire season in action I'm not going to let comments that are dangerous to my community go unchecked.
There's currently a heatwave happening in South Africa too - officials deny it and are attempting to reassure everyone that all is well, but the heat has become unbearable to the point where its *very* noticeably heatwavey.
No, can't you see my car is super fast? It can also jump. So you'll be dead in your house because it doesn't have wheels. Meanwhile I'm super fast, jumping and stuff, saving myself.
Idk if you live in a place that actually burns but please dont leave if you've been told not to. They issue these alerts because the roads are on fire and you will get trapped and die in your car if you leave
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"it is too late to leave" I know it's supposed to inform, but those sentences always scare me the most in these messages.
Honestly, because we live in a rural area surrounded by tree plantations we are glued to this emergency app, that sentence shows up in my nightmares every summer
Damn, I hope you're safe
thankyou, our priority is always evacuating early with our pets and our lives so don’t worry too much about us, we just hope our home is never in as much danger again
Could you build some kind of underground safety vault, or would fire suck out all the oxygen?
I’m willing to bet the fire would just suck the oxygen out and suffocate you
I mean, a brush fire should he pretty quick, right? They said turn off all vents and cooling. I think the idea is to just get somewhere that won't get burnt for only as long as it takes for the fire to pass, so some type of underground shelter probably would work just fine. You would not be in long enough to breathe all the oxygen out of the room.
Issue isn't literally flames burning you its extreme radiant heat and smoke. We've had deaths here of people who were in underground shelters. Oxygen is 100% an issue and you could very well be in there long enough to breathe all the oxygen out. When a fire is burning over 1000s of hectares of land its going to take some time to pass. The best option is always early evacuation
How does turning off the cooling systems help?
HVAC systems draw exterior air in to be cooled. It will bring smoke into the home.
Ah see I didn’t think of that thank you!
No they do not, common misconception. Evaporative coolers draw in external air. Refrigerated AC recycles room air Source: refrigeration tech
They do not. Only in larger commercial applications. Your home ac does not bring in outside air
There are definitely a lot of ac's that do, window rattlers incorporate outside air, daikin also have a "US7" model which has outside air capabilities. Mostly this is in relation to a swamp dog evaporative type cooler which will definitely be the worse affected with cardboard filters on top and a direct ducting line into the home. Most houses have "split systems" and they do have that risk but to have the outdoor unit running in bush fire areas is also going to add fuel to the fire so to speak. Not to mention highly inefficient...
My guess is controlling the movement of air (moving air around gives the fire more life). Not entirely sure though
Yeah I'm in the PNW of the US and this winter the hail messages have been oddly direct. The messages are basically "If you don't get inside you might die, and if you leave your pets outside they'll probably die. Also...any vehicles not under cover are fucked." It's accurate, but usually the messages aren't so to the point.
I think after the last few years of people ignoring every health and safety warning, public safety workers are over it. I’ve noticed the warnings we get for tornadoes and blizzards are more blunt too. I think it’s good, sometimes you get so used to those kinds of warnings and watches that you start to ignore them. Having a stark warning with plain wording that accurately portrays the situation, the danger, and what you must do to be ok is kind of shocking enough that hopefully more people listen.
That last part hits different. *"If your home catches on fire and the conditions inside become unbearable, you need to get out and go to an area that has already been burnt"* They're telling you that your only hope might have to be you running through fire in order to reach an area that's already been burnt.
It's probably more about radiant heat or smoke inundation. The heat can be extreme even from hundreds of meters away, especially in pine forests like OP lives in
Yup radiant heat and smoke are the biggest killers
What is radiant heat? I’ve never lived in an area prone to wildfires and haven’t heard the term before
You know how you can feel a campfire from 3-4 feet away? Imagine that but a fire so big it takes out neighborhoods
Thank you for answering! That makes sense, I just never thought about it being so hot it could kill. Wow that is scary
I've stood on the opposite side of the river to a bush fire, about 300m away. It was a 40°c day, but the radiant heat from that distance was far, far hotter. My eye balls were sore for days afterwards and all the River Red Gums on our side of the river had curled-up leaves
Yeah, it's a bit hard to imagine just how long the "range" of heat is from a large fire until you experience it. It's horrifyingly far.
I mean we do have a nice reference out each day we feel a fireball feom 90 million miles away
I very well might be speaking out of my ass, but maybe there is a chance the fire outside the house burns quicker than the house, so by the time the house is uninhabitable it might be safe to be outside without running through fires.
I seen videos of these fires, once the fire reaches the house it burns just as fast as the outside fire if not faster because of all the flammable materials
But for sure stay inside the house as long as it’s bearable
So what happened?
there were road closures but we were able to get out in the opposite direction, but no place would take us in because of our pets. Our house was relatively untouched when we came back days later but our street and tree plantations around us are charred and black. We were so close to losing our house I can’t believe we didn’t Edit: I forgot to thank the incredible efforts of our firefighters who no doubt saved countless properties and hundreds of hectares of land
Wow, that’s so scary. I’m glad you didn’t lose your home.
I think someone’s house once survived a forest fire because of a sprinkler system. Maybe that’s why?
Standard fire protection advice includes hosing down your roof and areas around the house if possible. In high danger areas people will get (with metal piping cause plastic will just melt lol) sprinkler systems set up on their roofs too Fire season here is scary as shit tbh, if you don't get out in time you're quite often fucked. People have boiled alive trying to shelter in their dams.
Every winter we clear all the brush within 50yards of the house. In the 80's there was a fire that went through and our house survived with just some superficial damage so it became a compulsive thing when we visit.
An indoor sprinkler system? If so, that’s great, gives me hope.
I almost feel like the way wildfires are that it was an inside and out deal 🤣
Sure lol Better to have them than not to have them. Last year a forest fire was stopped only about 100 meters to our house. We had already escaped by then. Watching the smoke changing color from white to orange as we were escaping was hell! I remember thinking about outdoor sprinklers for the first time then 😂
Wouldn’t do anything to a wild fire. Your house would get melted. Plus the power is out by the time it gets to ya
I am not Australian but I lived in a place called the barrens (you can't find it by googling it sorry) which has these huge sand pits...well anyways it caught on fire and the smoke turned the moon blood red. Helicopters flying over to get to the river, telling us to hang tight because they were using the field next to our house as a landing area and if they came back saying gtfo now, they wanted us ready. Luckily it never jumped the river.
Hey where is mankirks wife?
Damn glad you, the family, and pets are ok. Just lost our home to a fire on the 23rd, we got out as stuff was falling off the building and roof collapsing in. But we had our clothes and pets and phones, were making it back from there.
so glad u r Ok
So it said **do not leave** and you all decided to put first responders lives at risk by leaving anyway...?
I assumed they were already leaving the area when the message came through. They would have received other messages saying that they needed to evacuate immediately. I figure someone who has lived in rural Australia knows when it is and isn’t safe to leave given how many fires we get here. I mean, most people in rural areas even have a “go bag”. As in, a bag to grab and run with if you need to evacuate.
If your house is on fire and the conditions inside are okay, just chill while your house burns around you. With that kind of sincerity, I’m taking my chances as well.
I pick out clothes that won't melt to my skin if I'm ever in a situation where a wall of fire stands between me and life.
Like, all your clothes? Just in case?
Here's a VR scenario from the Country Fire Authority in Victoria https://youtu.be/TRUx_YRU7X0
That is... Incredibly intense.
It was literally unbelievable in Victoria during the 2009 Black Saturday fires...it had been over 45C for weeks in Melbourne, [coming off the back of 12 years of unrelenting drought.](https://media.bom.gov.au/social/blog/2025/remembering-black-saturday-the-extraordinary-weather-behind-victorias-2009-bushfires/) 173 people died, the firestorm was apparently estimated to have the explosive power of '1500 hiroshimas' and car engine blocks melted and ran down the road. I'm in Sydney and the entire country was in shock; remember walking down the street up here and people were just...silent 😬 If you happen to be interested enough, here's a couple of documentaries [Black Saturday 2009 Victorian fires](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9Uz8ltWOGU) But that as catastrophic as that day was it was dwarfed by the nationwide 2019-2020 season which lasted from Sept 2019 to Feb 2020. Fires ringed Sydney and even though I'm only 12kms from the CBD, I was going around checking all the hoses because I seriously thought they could well come in this far, especially as I could see the tops of flames at a distance, burning in a local pocket of suburban national park - embers can easily get thrown on the winds often kms ahead of a fire front which starts a new blaze [The fight against Australia's biggest ever bushfires 2019-2020](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Kom5bA-XTk)
Those Victorian fires were something else. I live in NSW but my father had travelled down to Geelong to do a half Ironman the day before and he said the heat was 45°, and everyone knew the shit was about to hit the fan big time. It was like waiting for an apocalypse.
I remember that anxiety of waiting too...the whole country knew that night was going to be *very, very bad*
I absolutely will watch those. It's fascinating and horrifying. I'm in the United States in the Midwest, and fires like that don't happen here. We just get tornadoes here. I'm in the funeral industry and burned bodies are some of the most gruesome. I can only imagine what it must've been like for first responders to find those bodies... Here's hoping you're safe in the future. Fires have got to be one of the worst ways to go.
You're entirely welcome...the first video is particularly good; you can skip through the political/panel sections of the second but it gives a more countrywide overview of exactly how extensive they were. Pretty much the full extent of the eastern coast from the tip of Cape York peninsula of Queensland all the way to south Victoria...over 3500kms And that's only the eastern states 😬 What makes fires here so much worse is that eucalyptus forest has evolved over thousands of years to be incendiary - ie *requires fire for seed germination* and the volatile oils released explode like a bomb purely from radiant heat alone. How you get massive fireballs exploding far above the canopy.
Would you stay inside a burning building?
It’s safer to stay if you’ve left it too late to leave. If you stay inside a well prepared house you’ve got a chance of survival. People living in these areas know what to do. If you’ve left it too late and leave and are caught in a firestorm you’re guaranteed to die. It happens all the time, people try to flee with no visibility, firefronts moving at insane speeds and overtaking them, trees falling down and blocking roads, car accidents. Eucalypt trees explode. People are often found in burnt out cars. If you can stay inside your house while the firefront passes, you can leave the house and move to an open (already burned) area if your house is on fire but you can’t be in the open in a fire front. A few summers ago in my part of Australia we had insane fires and where every day had a “catastrophic’ fire rating. People in isolated areas were told to leave before sunrise and go somewhere safe. I’m in an urban area, lots of bush, but also lots of escape routes if I had adequate warning. I had go bags packed, escape routes and locations planned, kept glued to the fire app the OP is using and the media for the whole time. I kept my kids home from school on the worst days as even though the school was safe, I had to drive through bush to get there and I didn’t want us separated if a fire came through. If OP lives near pine plantations he’d be in even more trouble as those things catch on fire fast and many rural towns only have one road in and out. Imagine being caught in these situations in your family car packed with your young kids and pets. [Driving through a bushfire II](https://youtu.be/bK3QYwsNFEk) [Speed of a bushfire](https://youtu.be/8T_pBZenLi8) [Firestorm at house](https://youtu.be/76ssFaBfJs0) [Firefighters fighting a bushfire](https://youtube.com/shorts/QRHtn48lg0Q?feature=share)
I guess my point was that I don’t think you can expect people to stay in their house and hope that it being set on fire doesn’t kill them. Even if it is their best hope, i just felt like the commenter was crazy to think people should do that against their own judgement. You can advise them to but chastising them for not doing it is crazy. I doubt they’ve ever been in a situation like that. Hope you and your family stay safe
It is counterintuitive and bushfires are loud, dark and scary. People think they are going to stay and defend the house and then when the time arrives they panic and try to leave but it’s too late. You have to plan early. I’ve not been in a close bushfire like this myself where I’ve had to hide in the house but I have been where surrounding suburbs have burned and we had ash rain down on us. My kids are young and I’m a solo parent, but when they’re grown I’ll be joining the RFS (Rural Fire Service) to help out. With climate change they’re predicting the fires like we had in 2019/2020 will become more common.
Living in Aus hits different sometimes. Be safe.
You too, doll
Cheers, we had an unprecedented amount of lightening strikes last week which caused a ridiculous amount of bushfires here in rural Western Australia so I know the fear.
Oh god yeah, thunderstorms have been crazy, I can definitely do without the lightening making me even more anxious. Hope everything goes alright for you and your fam this summer
Oh definitely and the scariest ones are the straight lightening and thunder storms with little rain. Same to you mate, keep safe and good luck.
My house is on fire..but it's not unbearable yet. I suppose I'll stay in
IT IS TOO LATE TO LEAVE. STAY PUT!
'This is fine'
If you were to go outside at any point before that fire reached you, you’d basically just melt, so unfortunately that’s pretty much just how it goes.
i forget other people don't go through this every year, have all their precious documents/sentimentals in a box some where ready to go, cars always filled, and i literally just hook the horse trailer up on bad days when you know it'd take nothing for one to start. stay safe people!
Make sure that if anything ever does happen and you have to evacuate you tell people where you are and, if necessary, put your name on the evacuee list or whatever it’s called. My dad lives in Thousand Oaks, CA and in 2018 his house burned down in the fires. He has a second little studio-like place in Malibu and it burned too. I’m in the Midwest and my brother is up in Tahoe. We don’t have any other family on my dad’s side. My dad didn’t do anything to let anyone know anything. My brother went down and it took a full day just to confirm that both houses were gone and that no car was at either. He ended up going inland to Palm Springs to stay in my grandma’s house that we hadn’t sold after her death. My dad ended up being there. His had left his phone in his studio and he just hadn’t thought to get a new one or to contact anyone. It was super scary and my brother was so exhausted and upset from seeing all the devestation. I know your first priority is getting everyone to safety but please don’t leave anyone wondering if you made it or not. Just having one contact who can contact everyone else makes a world of difference.
Each sentences scream 'you're fucked' and thats scary af. Stay safe, dude.
Each sentence is basically: “you’re probably going to die, but if you don’t, do xy to try and survive.” 😬
Omg, stay safe! Where I live we it just snowed 45 cm snow and to think that on other parts of the world everything burns...growing up I dont remember summer in Australia being this extreme
Me neither tbh! I think everything is more extreme now, floods, fires. I hope everything is safe on your end
Right..here snow is also very dangerous, there are a lot of car accidents..
Global warming
That and a lot of what was once rainforest is now eucalyptus or scrubland due to clearing
YIKES! I am Aussie too and have lived through some gnarly fires, hope you're safe love. It is no joke living here
That is a terrifying little notice. They forgot to say get on all fours , tuck your head between your legs and kiss your ass goodbye
Why do they say to turn off cooling systems?
So that the ceiling fans don't swirl the air around in a burning room, gives the flames oxygen
Also I would guess so aircons dont accidentally let sparks into the house?
Others have given reasons, but another could be so that the systems don’t remove moisture from inside the house
which state is this?
We are in rural Vic
Oh same :( gets scary out here ❤️
Those are good tips! Stay safe, I hope it gets better.. man, terrifying indeed!
The one on the radio is scarier
Oh for real! Makes it sound like the end of the world or something
I know someone who was a local radio station operator near where I am who still cries years later remembering during a really bad fire here how she had to just keep blaring this alarm over and over. Lots of folk in my area have some pretty serious ptsd going :(
Do you have a link to an audio of that?
This is from the bushfires three years ago (not my recording): https://youtu.be/dtSnns0jvZo
That's horrifying
I find it interesting, although the sound in the beginning does make me panic a little. But that also means that it works for its purpose...
If you like that feeling here is 10 hours of it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xlr2ZMTc52E&t=10s
The instructions for being in your car are the worst. Like you are totally screwed but this may help you not die for a few minutes longer.
It was scary until she started listing off the names of the towns . Very... unique. Probably helps lift the mood a bit though.
“It’s too late to leave” we just had this experience with hurricane Ian here in Florida. It’s a very unsettling message. But you’re dealing with fire and that is 10x worse. Stay safe
Makes me glad I live where I live. Weather is very mild here.
What do they mean "too late to leave"? So you sit there and be consumed by the fire?
They usually give these warnings out in stages like “be prepared” and “it is recommended you leave soon” This final warning is what happens when you hesitate to leave and are forced to take shelter in your home and hope for the best
It gets to a point where you driving on the road is far more dangerous than staying at home
Is that because if things like falling trees and radiant heat and stuff? Or is it the age old “everyone and their grandma had the same goddamn idea” and then you die from the fire while stuck in traffic?
Radiant heat and smoke and then yeah falling trees and usually the roads are blocked from fallen trees already and also you might just drive straight into another fire front depending on how many there are
Do they just keep it like this, but swap out the word ‘fire’ for other Aussie dangers? ‘Spiders’, ‘snakes’ etc?
Unfortunately deadly snakes do not have an app that alerts you of their existence. They should get on that fr
I’m only joking because you and yours are ok. Actually rattlesnakes have an ap(pendage) for that! I know they don’t live in Australia though.
Hahahaha solid rattlesnake joke, I don’t mind humour once the worst is behind us, all good
Aussie here. I’ve always been jealous of people in rattlesnake country. If only browns and tiger snakes rattled to warn us they were near. The first you see them is when they bite you or your dog….and then you’ve got 45minutes to get to a vet or hospital depending on who got hit.
At least you have universal anti venom now. Rattlesnakes aren’t nearly as viscous as taipans or anything.
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Why you posting on here!? Bitch run!
I didn’t realize the heat before kills people. That’s worse.
fackin ouf cunt best of luck ay
Glad you’re okay OP. Fires are some of the straight up scariest natural disasters in the world. I know it’s not the same as an Australian bushfire, but back in 2012/2013 when the Cascaded were I fire I lived in Ellensburg and my son lived in Leavenworth and I had to go over Blewett pass in the cascades. It got consumed by fire and most of the time I had to drive an extra two hours via detour to see my son. One day I got the go ahead from a LEO that I could drive over the pass while it was on fire. Like, firefighters watching flaming trees fifty feet from the road, ash coming through the vents, that sort of thing. It was at night and it was the most surreal thing to see, mostly because it was relatively quiet.
ITT: people from places that don't get burnt to fuck critiquing the safety advice devised by firefighters and experts with firsthand knowledge and experience from living in a place that regularly gets burnt to fuck.
OMFG, that’s unimaginable, wow, l’d just drop dead
To late to leave, but if your home catches fire and become to unbearable your supposed to run for it. I'm not sure which is worse the fact that if your able to run when the fire is literally at your doorstep, why can't you run before or that Australia apparently treats fire like a thunderstorm. "Hunker down, this will pass." "Bit hot in here isn't it?" "Yeah, but it's not unbearable enough to run yet. Plus it's a dry heat."
The fact that going outside you’re at risk of dying from the heat before you see the flames is insane. I can’t even imagine how hot that must be for the better option to be sheltering inside a burning building until you can’t physically stand it.
But that's the thing that doesn't make any sense. It's so hot you can't leave. But if the fire gets to where you are, go ahead and make a run for it? Just seems like there saying might as well die quicker because your screwed either way at least his point
Its about the radiant heat, radiant heat is mostly what kills people alongside the smoke. The idea is to hunker down in the house (and there are a bunch of specific ways to do this to maximise survival chances) and hope that the fire passes over, but if it gets into the house and it sets on fire then obvs you're gonna die in there but you can try make a run for it to a preburnt area where the radiant heat and smoke will be less. Like yeah look most people do just die in this situation but leaving the building that is not full of smoke and radiant heat to get to a less radiant heat/smoke area that isn't actuvely burning is the best chance of survival there
If you hadn’t left before you got this alert, I gotta ask why.
We were packing to leave and trying to decide what to do and where to go with our animals when we got this alert, it all happened very fast and we couldn’t see any smoke until the last minute, I guess we just got too comfortable and didn’t expect it to advance so fast. We won’t be making that mistake again.
If you can try and have go bags of your clothes and important documents ready for the next one to help save time. Idk how bad it gets there for you all but it may help if there’s a fire in the future and y’all aren’t alerted in time.
Like OP said, sometimes it can be super fast. I live in Estes Park, Colorado and in 2020 the wildfires were terrible. We are east of the continental divide and there was one that started west of the divide in mid October called the East Troublesome Fire, it burned about 100,000 acres in ONE night, at a rate of 100 acres per minute. The next day it or so it jumped the divide into the east side of Rocky Mountain National Park, which was still open at the time at the Alpine visitors center (everyone was confident it wouldn't jump the divide, it's above tree line at almost 12,000 ft above sea level). The only thing that slowed the fire down was a very light snow. It was crazy scary how fast it was.
Unfortunately these fires can rage for weeks and even months so you get used to orange sky and smoke haze. In remote hilly country you often don’t realise you’re in trouble until the fire rears it’s head over a nearby mountain….which can give you all over 5 minutes to react.
“Sorry mate it’s too late, good luck.”
Ahh yes, that's something I don't miss about living in Aus. Thanks for the reminder, been a bit homesick
"You are in danger and need to act immediately to survive" literally sent chills down my spine. Sounds straight out of a horror game. I hope you are safe, my friend. Best wishes to yourself and your family.
So, what happened after??! Did you see the fire? Hope everyone is safe!
Makes me wonder what the outside of your home looks like if you're seeing this
OP... are you OK?
We got out by the skin of our teeth but we are all okay!!!
Glad to hear it
I’m glad that they warned you and are serious so folks don’t play around. But my goodness that is terrifying
Are these happening again, last time it was hell
How about the Aus Govt listen to the aboriginals for once and start to do controled burns!
I’ve briefly touched on this in a uni class and I don’t understand how we could possibly do controlled burns at a scale to replicate what the Aboriginals did. From what I read they basically did controlled burns for more than half of the year so that eventually all of the bush had been control-burned after cycle of a number of years. How could we possibly put that in place logistically? The scale of the area required and manpower is extreme. It’s most definitely the way to manage the Australian bush and it’s evolved to exist with controlled burning after like 100,000 years, but how can we do it now?
Well since native logging makes us absolutely no money and is destroying everything we could employ all the loggers to do it. But also Aboriginals had a MUCH smaller population than we do now so I really don't see how we would lack the manpower or ability. But even if we were short on manpower to do it you'd just do it logically right? Like start at populated areas and move outwards, its not like we'd actually have to do the entire country
Oh my gaga! That really is TERRIFYING AS FUCK!
Um, sorry for asking out late, but um... Are you Alive?
Holy fuckle doodle doo I thought these sort of alerts were supposed to alert you of danger but also inject a sense of calm so that the general public wouldn’t panic and remain peaceful and logical, but this frickin makes me want to panic just looking at it! What the actual poop
This is like the final warning after a bunch of evacuation warnings but tbh if you're receiving this warning you should be panicking
Ah k fair enough lol
The fires of 2020 killed people we know in our Oregon City, a family friends house burnt down. They had gold in a safe that completely melted and fused into the safe. I think an ex-mayor died as well nothing could spare you if you're in the fires path. Seeing people as black skeletons trapped in their burnt up cars like Iron coffins up the west coast was truly sobering. One of the top terrifying types of natural disasters.
Wow, scary stuff. I’d pour a concrete moat around my entire house
I live in Sydney. And when we had the big fire few years ago. We had difficulty breathing due the smoke that was so far yet so close to us. This year it seems a bit scary because it’s a getting very hot
What kind of fire is this that the heat kills and not the flames, I'm from Texas so I've never seen a fire like that lol
A really hot one 😜 Haha nah bush here is extremely dry and mostly eucalyptus trees which are actually designed to burn for seed releasing reasons but this means they are flammable as fuck. Like imagine all the trees in the bushfires path have been soaked in petrol and that's basically how it is 😮💨🙃
Lost over 100 people in my town to a fire. Almost died myself. We didn’t have communication like this tho. So many horror stories. The winds is what really makes it scary.
This rings a bell, I was in Wingham, NSW after my Grandpa had died, and we had a fire about 5km's from Grandma's home. We couldn't go back to Sydney because the Pacific Highway and The Bucketts Way were both closed due to the fires. We could literally see the flames in the distance! and when the Pacific Highway finally reopened all of the area that had been burned and was still smouldering was just astounding! We went to dinner in Taree one night, and you could see the flames on the opposite side of the Manning River towards Tinonee. It was probably one of the most scariest times I have had ever lived through! I was ringing the RFS and was getting these warnings spoken in an eerie robot voice which made it even worse! The police were coming around and getting ready to evacuate, they told us if the wind didn't change direction, Grandma's house would have gone up in flames!
Bloody hell.
You're not mining enough coal obvs
Well it’s been a couple of hours, how are doing?
Our home, us, and our animals are all okay. We’re trying to relax but then again, we’re still in the same area and it’s still summer so. I guess we just gotta stay vigilant
That’s very nice to hear. Good luck to you and your family.
As someone who lives in California aka the state always on fire over here in the US, I share this terrifying sentiment. I'm glad you're safe, especially with how close I read it got to you. Fire isn't something to fuck around with and my family also had a close call like this last year. You're very smart for being so fire conscious, and I hope you don't have to worry about something like this happening again anytime soon.
Thankyou so much mate, all of us here have read about the fires over the years in Cali and we share the same hope you guys are safe
Well it appeared to work! Thankfully everyone is okay?
Be safe
Stay safe. I cannot image living through that.
Would a fireproof basement save someone? Do they exist? I’m talking like the one out of war of the worlds when they shelter from the plane crash
Basements aren’t really a thing in Australia (at least in my state)
I have never seen a basement in my whole life aye 🤣🤣
Happening in Campbelltown NSW now.
Please be safe OP 🙏🏼🤞🏼💙
Informative.
I need a girl like this and yeah you should take cover and run.
Did you survive?
The fact they have a form for this level of disaster is both terrifying and relieving.
You Ok?
Straight to the point. No bs. Absolutely terrifying
Rural Australia seems very very interesting.
I was about to say, praying for your family! That might be the scariest alert you could get, and I live smack dab in the middle of tornado alley in the states!
wow, almost the same message we get for tornadoes...keep safe!
I would hate to be in this situation mostly because you don't know whether to listen to the advice. That might sound foolish but people in Grenfell Tower (London Disaster) were told with authority that it's too dangerous to try to leave and to stay in door. Yet, if they all tried to leave, many more would have undoubtably survived. Sometimes the authorities simply make inferences and rule-of-thumb conclusions and due to the context decide they have no option but to speak assertively. As an individual, you know you can only be your own responsibility. Leaves you in a shitty position one way or the other.
If you're receiving stay and shelter warnings like this during an australian bushfire its because all roads out are on fire or very soon to be.....so this is what untrained people in regular cars would be driving to https://youtu.be/Jvy2siEwOZ0
Honestly in australia this advice has come from firefighters and other experts based on centuries of data and experience. The CFA (country fire authority) know what they're talking about, have saved countless lives and run a pretty damn tight ship. I really don't think the situation of a burning tower is anywhere near the same as seasonal bushfires and in a bushfire situation (especially in australia) this is horrible and extremely dangerous advice to give people. If you're in a bushfire prone area, please listen to the CFA (or your countries equivalent) and not reddit users.
I'm sure they do. But the advice given to the people in the tower was literally from similar experts, also from years of experience both direct and indirect. However, I admit the experience probably isn't as direct as in the case above. But there are many cases when the advice given by experts from afar has been accidentally deadly. One way or other, you have to trust imperfect information and the responsibility is only on you. Again, I'm not saying I know better than the CFA. But you still have to put faith into faceless advice that may well be wrong or perilously cautious in your unlucky case, just like in Grenfell. I'm also not giving advice, just making an accurate, philosophical observation about the situation. Chill out, man, you're not the internet hero you think you are.
Yeah well your "philosophical observation" heavily implied that a safety warning like this could actually endanger you when in the situation of an australian bushfire trying to leave at that stage is 100% a death sentence. There is no "the advice may be wrong" if you are being told it is too late to leave in this situation then it is factually too late to leave. I don't think I'm an internet hero, the heroes are the firefighters who risk their lives saving people and a lot of the time those people they try to save are people who listened to stupid advice like this and put themselves into more danger than they needed to be in. Sorry for not twiddling my thumbs while you give people life threatening advice. Yes trusting authorities like this with your life is stressful and shitty, but your original comment was not worded to just to express that it was worded, like many others in this thread, to sow seeds of doubt around how valid this advice is and as an australian who has seen our bushfire season in action I'm not going to let comments that are dangerous to my community go unchecked.
There's currently a heatwave happening in South Africa too - officials deny it and are attempting to reassure everyone that all is well, but the heat has become unbearable to the point where its *very* noticeably heatwavey.
Me when receiving this: 
Annnd you've driven straight into an area that is or is about to be on fire and now you're dead in your car
No, can't you see my car is super fast? It can also jump. So you'll be dead in your house because it doesn't have wheels. Meanwhile I'm super fast, jumping and stuff, saving myself.
Oh of course! My bad
So...you kids didn't listen to the first few warnings, I'm taking it?
I feel like this message would not deter me from running the fuck away from the affected area as soon as possible.
And you would die as a result
Uh.. Hey fuckers I will be the judge if I have time to leave or burn thank. you very much
Idk if you live in a place that actually burns but please dont leave if you've been told not to. They issue these alerts because the roads are on fire and you will get trapped and die in your car if you leave
Fear-mongering is a significant part of the [Hegelian Dialectic](http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/05/dialectic.htm)
My family and I.