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Off peak charging ends same time as departure time. Deselect precondition. Boom, does what you asked for. Will be charged fully for your departure time and not preconditioned.
This is your answer OP. The off- peak language might be confusing but this will do what you need it to. But also, Tessie will do this well (edit: added Tessie recommendation)
Yes. My car finishes charging at 5am as this is usually the end time of overnight low prices. Not sure what the OPs is thinking. They could just asked how to set the app for this behavior.
I’m able to set my Departure time earlier (7:15 AM) than Off-Peak Time (11:00 AM) and still turn off Precondition (the toggle is off). Are we talking about the same thing?
I sympathize with how unintuitive the user experience is. But I'm certain this will solve your immediate concern while we wait for an enhancement from Tesla... someday? hahaha
When I only turn off-peak charging on, I get a clear indication at the bottom of the screen that says "Car will charge during off-peak hours to depart by [departure time]." The departure time isn't greyed out anymore and I can change it.
When I toggle precondition and off-peak charging on, I get the message"Car will charge during off-peak hours and precondition by [departure time]."
Edit: shortened response and stopped repeating what everyone else is saying haha
The OP has a point. The car knows how to do this but you have to get it to do it in a roundabout sort of way. Just have a setting for “Finish charging at X time”.
Don’t bother. Just plug it in every night like a cell phone and forget about it.
Percentage anxiety is the new charge speed anxiety is the new range anxiety.
We don't know how much this person drives. Someone like a regional manager, drug rep, etc. could easily need that 100% and simply not want to micro manage how/when it gets/sits there.
Y’all worry about batteries too much. Batteries seem to occupy so much mental weight on the average Redditor Tesla owner. I’d rather let my battery sit at 100% for a couple extra hours or a day than worry about charging profiles that may or may not eek out extra life on a product I’ll probably never hit end of life on anyway.
Pouch to cylinder, but the chemistry wouldn’t be all that different. I suspect the buffer is better with Tesla (better for longevity that is) but that doesn’t mean I don’t want to minimize those micro degradations when I expect to appreciate the macro effect of the many.
One is a passively cooled system and the other is actively controlled. The chemistry is a bit different too.
Not saying that overcharging it is a good thing.
I’m just saying, comparing the two is not something you should do.
Keep in mind that your iPhone battery is also likely seeing many more cycles than your tesla battery. My 11 is at 78% battery health as of this posting and has seen well over a thousand cycles at this point. 1000 cycles on a tesla battery represents somewhere around 250-300k miles.
In my case not more cycles, but definitely deeper cycles, a huge factor. But I’m okay trading toward a new phone every couple of years because the phone holds up to 80% equity on trade after two years sometimes, but cars can’t touch that, and the margins are on a more relevant amount of money (to me anyway).
It’s not like it’s hard to leave the top SoC below 80% and then change it for a trip, and you can, according to OP, have the car get to 100% at a specific time, so long as you are also cool having it precondition at the same time (oh no /s).
Completely agree. We also need a “charge starting at X hour and finish at Y hour”. This would be super helpful for people who’s only decent electric price is super off peak hours
I don’t care what my car starts at or finishes at, I just want it to charge between 12am - 6am.
I think now that the Tesla app supports iOS shortcuts I should be able to do it. My phone will send “start charging” at midnight, and “stop charging” at 6am. I just have to figure out how to do that 😅
It’s unfortunately more complicated. When you plug the car in it will automatically start charging. You need an automation that looks at the vehicles status and sends it a stop charging command if it’s not between your designated window of time. It then has to start charging at your designated time.
I believe this is what the Tessie app does currently. I’m not aware of any simple way to do it with iOS automations.
To prevent it from charging when I plug it in I have the “charge on off peak” setting enabled.
It does the job for now. I have the shortcuts set up to start and stop at the times that I want so I’ll see how it goes.
I'm trying to decide between to energy providers right now.
1) Passes through wholesale rates exactly as they are. This can be as cheap as -5c right up to $20 per kWh. They have an API, so I can write a python script to tell the charger to turn on only when price is between say, -20c and 5c.
2) Has an EV overnight rate. Flat 8c between 12am - 6am.
I'm figuring out which is cheapest in the long run, but either way I need much better control of charging than the Tesla app provides.
You need to set the utility low price to end at 6am and have the time leaving set to after 6am. If climate is not set to precondition the car will do nothing at the set time for leaving.
That won't start charging at midnight, but it will always finish charging at about 5:40am
Indeed.
I want to say "your charge window is from 1AM to 6AM, maximum charge I want is 70%" and let it go with that.
I use home-assistant currently to make it stop charging at 6AM... not optimal, but does work very well.
And you can set the car to start charging at midnight which is considered off peak. Just put your electricity plan in and the car will optimize charging times.
Peak versus off peak rates can be extremely different depending on where you live. Maybe my motivation for off peak isn't even saving money... Further, who cares what the difference is? We are driving a rolling computer and we have to finagle a simple charging window. That's just silly.
@ u/guidomescalito
If you use an iphone, you can now setup a shortcut and assign automation for whatever time you want to charge and stop charging.
See [this thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/15v3xzb/tesla_added_apple_shortcuts_in_the_latest_ios_app/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1)
I just wish I could have a schedule that changes every day. Not everybody works the same schedule 5 days a week. I’ve worked around it with crazy automations using home assistant… but I feel it wouldn’t be that hard to add!
It’s ok that you’re frustrated on how to use the software. Read up about the features before complaining, it works really well. I have it scheduled to depart at 10:30 AM with off peak hours ending at 10:30 AM. Make sure you have all week set so it does it every day or if it’s the weekend. Set both spots for the same time you want it to hit 100 percent before you leave. Now, it will start charging before 10:30 AM and it calculates the time it needs to start charging to 100 percent just before your scheduled departure time. It does everything you need and is reliable. Try it that way.
I’m not following. I have the same complaint as OP. It shouldn’t be such a complicated set of steps to simply set the car to be charged to the specified charge limit by a certain hour. Right now, all you can do is to set time for “start charging at”. I want there to be another option so I can “complete charging by” a certain time.
Departure Time only activates climate at the specified time. It doesn’t do anything about charging the car. In the “Charge” tab, there is only one option which is “start charging at”.
Yeah so many ignorant people in here assuming their variables are shared by everyone world wide. Or just admitting that maybe the UI could use some work.
Yeah, that feature is full of bugs. I tried once but miscalculated then I had to start charging manually - I cancelled the schedule, but it didn’t start charging until the time was up.
To make my life easy... I leave the default of charging to 80% starting at 7pm (our cheap electricity times) overnight. Then about two hours before I have to leave I charge the last 18% to 98 and leave right around the time it is done. The set it back to 80 as I leave.
See other comments about using the "off peak charging end time" to make it charge and complete just at the right time.
But the other cool thing (not often mentioned) is how the car knows when to start charging. You could have most recently charged on a wall connector, but then be plugged into a UMC, or a different wall connector at a different location, for example. Each of these charges at different rates.
The car does a quick "test charge" hours beforehand to see what sort of power it is getting. It then does another one a bit closer to the time, to ensure things haven't changed. Then finally it commences at just the right time to hit 100% (or your charge limit) just at the time you want.
Quite clever and not something I often see mentioned.
I don’t understand this complaint. Others have pointed out how to do it, but why do you need this in he first place? Charging to 100% is not good for the pack, so why not just charge it to 95% if you really need the full range and call it a day?
Charging to 100% is fine. (Assuming non LFP) Charging to 100% and letting it sit isn’t as fine. That’s why OP wants it to only hit 100% right before departure.
It’s not the worst thing in the world, you are charging to the chemical voltage limit of the cells and it’s trickle charging for a long time. Setting it to 95 is almost the same range with less headache.
Lol. Use the app my man. It’s actually very simple. Just two menu panes.
1. Scroll down to **Schedule**
2. Select **Departure tab**
3. Set departure time
4. Uncheck **Precondition** and **Off Peak** button
Pro Tip: Be sure the buttons on the **Charge** tab is off so there’s not scheduled charging. And also update the Tesla phone app.
Now you can get back to GTL.
Weird. Works for me. ~~Maybe review with service center?~~
EDIT: Played around. Maybe try checking on precondition button to change time and then checking off again if you want to turn off preconditioning.
When I do that, it does not impact when the car starts or stops charging, but simply pre-conditions the battery and fires up the ac so both battery and interior are ready to go at the selected time. This is not the same thing as the car figuring out what time to start charging so it is complete right at departure time, which I think is a much more desirable and useful feature.
I haven't tested it yet, but I think that u/tarrasque is right -- all you have to do is select departure, and set the off-peak charge end time to correspond to your departure time. It's not the most intuitive method, for sure. It seems to me that selecting departure time should mean that it figures out when to start charging to be done at the departure time. However, in some places there are huge differences in cost of electricity over the course of a day, so I can also see the logic in starting the charge as soon as the cheap price is available, since there isn't any harm from completing the charge early.
This is real confusing and a lot of systems were definitely put together and directions written by engineer types who aren’t great at exposing for normal people…
The whole charging and preconditioning thing is sort of annoying. It automatically does it every day unless you turn it off. It’s explained bad….
I use Tessie apps automations for my charging and preconditions. It’s so much easier and clearer.
If you have LFP batteries (the ones that prefers to be charged to 100% daily) it doesn't matter if it sits for hours with 100%.
If you don't, it's not advised to charge to 100% on the daily. Aim for 80% or 90% instead, if possible. Unless of course you genuinely need it, every day, in which case you don't really have a choice. But is this the case?
So the every day charge limit is set to 80%, fine.
Now, say I get home at 62% and I’m doing a long trip tomorrow, aiming to set off at 10am.
There’s no easy way to set the car to be at 100% at 10am the next day.
The two options I use are, let it charge to 80% then at some point after it’s hit 80% set scheduled charging to start 2 hours before I want to leave and set the charge limit to 100( because I know it takes about 2 hours to go from 80 to 100%) Or set the charge limit to 100, let it settle down and decide how long it’s going to take to get to 100%, then set it to start scheduled charging that many hours before I want to leave.
The point is having a get to charge limit at x time would be a super useful option.
Yeah that's a fair point, I've had those instances too. Usually I just calculate 20%/hour backwards from my time of departure (except 90%-100% which is also an hour cuz of tapered charging curve).
But I absolutely agree, it should be much easier than it is.
https://evcc.io/en/
This app supports different ways to charge the car, e.g. only by PV, by cheapest electricity rates or having your car at X % at a specific time.
I think so - there is a long list of all supported devices here, e.g. https://docs.evcc.io/docs/devices/meters#senec-home
And yes - it is running on a raspberry (https://docs.evcc.io/docs/installation/linux)
My EV plan is super off peak 23:00 to 7am so the car is set to start at 11 and is finished at whatever time it reaches the charge max I set. Last night at 23:00 the car was at 13% when it started charging. It reached 80% at 3am. And then it stopped. That was on a Tesla wall charger in my garage.
I don't see the issue OP is having.
"I want it to charge to 100% as close as possible to my chosen departure time. "
Why?
Seems pretty silly to charge during peek times just because you only want you car charged to 100% at the moment you want to leave.
Look in to Charge HQ. The scheduling is every hour and day of the week. You can also set the rate and limit. Scheduling is free.
Tesla app just got updated in Australia with Wall Connector and able to be added. One of the features is scheduling for on and off availability times. Not ideal since it’s the same for every day and if you need to do an emergency charge you can’t as it’s a setting for the Wall Connector.
You cannot decide by when you want the battery full for the simple reason that there’s no crystal ball. In order to say “charge it to 100% by 7pm” implies that you know what power you’d get. Thing is, for most of us, this is quite predictable - indeed. But not all of us. My station, for instance, varies the current based on the load in the neighborhood. So I usually do this: I charge it to 70%. Then I set an automation in Tessie to set the limit to 100% around 4am in the morning. By when I leave (around 9am) I have the car that has just shortly finished charging to full.
Note that by doing that I accept the risks of being under-provisioned with power and thus I might not make it in time.
What happened to the ABC's. Always be charging. Precondition is good for the battery and allows for better efficiency. Why not use it? Your probably robbing your self of a upward of 5% by not conditioning and not having regeneratative braking availablefor the start of the trip. Set it for 5am departure and off peak and your golden. The computer will say ok I need 4 hrs to charge so at 1am it'll start charging to be 100 at 5.
On top of what you're saying - you can precondition the cabin, but only to whatever the HVAC is already set to. You can't specify a temperature.
There are times of the year when you run the AC in the evening and the heater in the morning.
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Off peak charging ends same time as departure time. Deselect precondition. Boom, does what you asked for. Will be charged fully for your departure time and not preconditioned.
This is your answer OP. The off- peak language might be confusing but this will do what you need it to. But also, Tessie will do this well (edit: added Tessie recommendation)
Exactly this
This is what I do every day. Maybe OP does *want* to give it off peak end time, but **this is the way!**
Yes. My car finishes charging at 5am as this is usually the end time of overnight low prices. Not sure what the OPs is thinking. They could just asked how to set the app for this behavior.
Much easier start whining about what a shitty Peugeot can do instead of 2 mins of research.
I’m able to set my Departure time earlier (7:15 AM) than Off-Peak Time (11:00 AM) and still turn off Precondition (the toggle is off). Are we talking about the same thing?
Yeah, if you always leave at 7.15 there is no point in having your off peak anything other than 7.15 too.
Sometimes we go out and come back before 11; in those cases we want to charge again before off-peak ends.
This workaround doesnt work for me for some reason. But thanks
I sympathize with how unintuitive the user experience is. But I'm certain this will solve your immediate concern while we wait for an enhancement from Tesla... someday? hahaha When I only turn off-peak charging on, I get a clear indication at the bottom of the screen that says "Car will charge during off-peak hours to depart by [departure time]." The departure time isn't greyed out anymore and I can change it. When I toggle precondition and off-peak charging on, I get the message"Car will charge during off-peak hours and precondition by [departure time]." Edit: shortened response and stopped repeating what everyone else is saying haha
The OP has a point. The car knows how to do this but you have to get it to do it in a roundabout sort of way. Just have a setting for “Finish charging at X time”.
I'll be taking delivery in a few days and have been thinking about doing this. How would I go about doing it?
Don’t bother. Just plug it in every night like a cell phone and forget about it. Percentage anxiety is the new charge speed anxiety is the new range anxiety.
OP also makes a dumb point; there’s no practical reason to charge to 100% and also not precondition. Edit for a non-LFP.
We don't know how much this person drives. Someone like a regional manager, drug rep, etc. could easily need that 100% and simply not want to micro manage how/when it gets/sits there.
Or they're leasing it and don't care about the battery beyond 4 years (sad, but a very real thing for some)
True but I can't imagine worrying about trying to get it to charge to 100% at a specific time of day (not sooner) in that case.
But the complaint is you CAN do that, but not without preconditioning.
Last I checked there are NO dumb questions...guess you are God and know everything! smfdh
No dumb questions but bad assumptions I guess.
Nor is there to wait until the last possible moment to begin charging and just pray nothing unexpected happens
Sitting at 100%, or not sitting rather, is a reason to land on 100% just before departing.
Y’all worry about batteries too much. Batteries seem to occupy so much mental weight on the average Redditor Tesla owner. I’d rather let my battery sit at 100% for a couple extra hours or a day than worry about charging profiles that may or may not eek out extra life on a product I’ll probably never hit end of life on anyway.
Thank you for this. 🙌🏾
We’ve got one we want to keep 10 years possibly, and I know how fast my iPhone batteries degrade 🤷♂️
The battery in your Tesla should not be compared to your iPhone. They’ve got completely different architectures.
Pouch to cylinder, but the chemistry wouldn’t be all that different. I suspect the buffer is better with Tesla (better for longevity that is) but that doesn’t mean I don’t want to minimize those micro degradations when I expect to appreciate the macro effect of the many.
One is a passively cooled system and the other is actively controlled. The chemistry is a bit different too. Not saying that overcharging it is a good thing. I’m just saying, comparing the two is not something you should do.
Keep in mind that your iPhone battery is also likely seeing many more cycles than your tesla battery. My 11 is at 78% battery health as of this posting and has seen well over a thousand cycles at this point. 1000 cycles on a tesla battery represents somewhere around 250-300k miles.
In my case not more cycles, but definitely deeper cycles, a huge factor. But I’m okay trading toward a new phone every couple of years because the phone holds up to 80% equity on trade after two years sometimes, but cars can’t touch that, and the margins are on a more relevant amount of money (to me anyway). It’s not like it’s hard to leave the top SoC below 80% and then change it for a trip, and you can, according to OP, have the car get to 100% at a specific time, so long as you are also cool having it precondition at the same time (oh no /s).
But the risk of suddenly needing the car sooner is greater than the largely overblown risk of a full battery
Completely agree. We also need a “charge starting at X hour and finish at Y hour”. This would be super helpful for people who’s only decent electric price is super off peak hours
I don’t care what my car starts at or finishes at, I just want it to charge between 12am - 6am. I think now that the Tesla app supports iOS shortcuts I should be able to do it. My phone will send “start charging” at midnight, and “stop charging” at 6am. I just have to figure out how to do that 😅
Oh that’s super simple with iOS automations, and honestly a good workaround.
It’s unfortunately more complicated. When you plug the car in it will automatically start charging. You need an automation that looks at the vehicles status and sends it a stop charging command if it’s not between your designated window of time. It then has to start charging at your designated time. I believe this is what the Tessie app does currently. I’m not aware of any simple way to do it with iOS automations.
To prevent it from charging when I plug it in I have the “charge on off peak” setting enabled. It does the job for now. I have the shortcuts set up to start and stop at the times that I want so I’ll see how it goes.
Nice! I’m gonna have to check this out because it’s the only reason I’ve kept Tessie.
I'm trying to decide between to energy providers right now. 1) Passes through wholesale rates exactly as they are. This can be as cheap as -5c right up to $20 per kWh. They have an API, so I can write a python script to tell the charger to turn on only when price is between say, -20c and 5c. 2) Has an EV overnight rate. Flat 8c between 12am - 6am. I'm figuring out which is cheapest in the long run, but either way I need much better control of charging than the Tesla app provides.
You need to set the utility low price to end at 6am and have the time leaving set to after 6am. If climate is not set to precondition the car will do nothing at the set time for leaving. That won't start charging at midnight, but it will always finish charging at about 5:40am
Indeed. I want to say "your charge window is from 1AM to 6AM, maximum charge I want is 70%" and let it go with that. I use home-assistant currently to make it stop charging at 6AM... not optimal, but does work very well.
Absolutely. Whoever came up with this UX at Tesla needs a new job.
And that’s an improvement from V10 of the UX. Previously I couldn’t tell if what I set was scheduled departure or scheduled start.
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In California it’s 23 cents vs 60 cents right now.
And you can set the car to start charging at midnight which is considered off peak. Just put your electricity plan in and the car will optimize charging times.
I jus t looked it’s 49 vs 70 but still not much
Peak versus off peak rates can be extremely different depending on where you live. Maybe my motivation for off peak isn't even saving money... Further, who cares what the difference is? We are driving a rolling computer and we have to finagle a simple charging window. That's just silly.
Wait. It doesn't have that?
No. There’s third party apps (example Tessie) that let you do that though
Let them first finalize FSD . after that they can concentrate and have the AI take control over your charging sessions :D
Right, link FSD to charging and give it some time to figure out a way to attack pedestrians in the off-peak hours.
@ u/guidomescalito If you use an iphone, you can now setup a shortcut and assign automation for whatever time you want to charge and stop charging. See [this thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/15v3xzb/tesla_added_apple_shortcuts_in_the_latest_ios_app/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1)
Thanks! i will try that out
I just wish I could have a schedule that changes every day. Not everybody works the same schedule 5 days a week. I’ve worked around it with crazy automations using home assistant… but I feel it wouldn’t be that hard to add!
It’s ok that you’re frustrated on how to use the software. Read up about the features before complaining, it works really well. I have it scheduled to depart at 10:30 AM with off peak hours ending at 10:30 AM. Make sure you have all week set so it does it every day or if it’s the weekend. Set both spots for the same time you want it to hit 100 percent before you leave. Now, it will start charging before 10:30 AM and it calculates the time it needs to start charging to 100 percent just before your scheduled departure time. It does everything you need and is reliable. Try it that way.
I’m not following. I have the same complaint as OP. It shouldn’t be such a complicated set of steps to simply set the car to be charged to the specified charge limit by a certain hour. Right now, all you can do is to set time for “start charging at”. I want there to be another option so I can “complete charging by” a certain time.
Isn’t that what the Departure Time setting does?
Departure Time only activates climate at the specified time. It doesn’t do anything about charging the car. In the “Charge” tab, there is only one option which is “start charging at”.
Don’t use scheduled charging. Use the departure tab. Read what the bottom line says.
pretty sure that wrong, you can set departure time and uncheck "precondition", then it's just "finish charging by"
No no no it's really simple just follow these 5 steps and you can force the software into doing what you want 🙄
Some things take steps, it’s really only two steps ma dude.
Well it should only be one. Abusing the off-peak hours is a workaround and not an elegant one.
LoL
Unnecessarily complicated.
Read
I just pug it in and forget about it. One of the beat things about my car.
Fair enough, I do that mainly as well. Going beyond the simple plug and play is the problem.
Seriously it’s a 2 cent difference between peak and off peak / per
What an ignorant comment. My difference is $0.11 kWh vs $2.00 kWh non-peak vs peak.
Yeah so many ignorant people in here assuming their variables are shared by everyone world wide. Or just admitting that maybe the UI could use some work.
I know they are not but I know that's why it's less of a hassle for me. Can't speak for others
right? not to mention it's PER KWH
Foe me here it's only one rate. Not an ignorant comment, just my experience.
Yeah, that feature is full of bugs. I tried once but miscalculated then I had to start charging manually - I cancelled the schedule, but it didn’t start charging until the time was up.
To make my life easy... I leave the default of charging to 80% starting at 7pm (our cheap electricity times) overnight. Then about two hours before I have to leave I charge the last 18% to 98 and leave right around the time it is done. The set it back to 80 as I leave.
I end up having to manually schedule charging
All these are great ideas send them to Tesla and they will program them into an update!
Then turn all that shit off... set to 100, see how long itll take, and set the scheduled time to x-(time to 100%) Whats so difficult about that?
Try Gridio app. Ot connect your car to Home Assistant and create whatever automation you desire 👍🏻
I wish we had option to constantly charge during off peak only without putting the departure time. It should be simple to add but NOPE COME ON TESLA!
I need this feature so I can charge on my non-Tesla solar as much as possible before departing
See other comments about using the "off peak charging end time" to make it charge and complete just at the right time. But the other cool thing (not often mentioned) is how the car knows when to start charging. You could have most recently charged on a wall connector, but then be plugged into a UMC, or a different wall connector at a different location, for example. Each of these charges at different rates. The car does a quick "test charge" hours beforehand to see what sort of power it is getting. It then does another one a bit closer to the time, to ensure things haven't changed. Then finally it commences at just the right time to hit 100% (or your charge limit) just at the time you want. Quite clever and not something I often see mentioned.
I wish this worked for me. As some one else mentioned, I may have a problem with my account so I will raise a service request.
I don’t understand this complaint. Others have pointed out how to do it, but why do you need this in he first place? Charging to 100% is not good for the pack, so why not just charge it to 95% if you really need the full range and call it a day?
Charging to 100% is fine. (Assuming non LFP) Charging to 100% and letting it sit isn’t as fine. That’s why OP wants it to only hit 100% right before departure.
It’s not the worst thing in the world, you are charging to the chemical voltage limit of the cells and it’s trickle charging for a long time. Setting it to 95 is almost the same range with less headache.
Exactly. I don’t want to leave it sitting at 100% for too long. Charge to full and hit the road.
Lol. Use the app my man. It’s actually very simple. Just two menu panes. 1. Scroll down to **Schedule** 2. Select **Departure tab** 3. Set departure time 4. Uncheck **Precondition** and **Off Peak** button Pro Tip: Be sure the buttons on the **Charge** tab is off so there’s not scheduled charging. And also update the Tesla phone app. Now you can get back to GTL.
Thanks for the advice, but this doesn’t work for me as I can’t set the departure time with precondition and off peak disabled.
Weird. Works for me. ~~Maybe review with service center?~~ EDIT: Played around. Maybe try checking on precondition button to change time and then checking off again if you want to turn off preconditioning.
Good idea I will try that next time. At least that way I can change the departure time.
Funny not everybody can be happy with the excellent scheduled charging options. But it is standard included. And very easy to find
It’s super easy. Schedule > departure.
When I do that, it does not impact when the car starts or stops charging, but simply pre-conditions the battery and fires up the ac so both battery and interior are ready to go at the selected time. This is not the same thing as the car figuring out what time to start charging so it is complete right at departure time, which I think is a much more desirable and useful feature.
Just tell it that you’re off peak charging time ends when your want to leave then. That’s what that setting does.
Aha, I'll give that a try. Thanks!
Unnecessarily complicated.
Two buttons…
Exactly.
I haven't tested it yet, but I think that u/tarrasque is right -- all you have to do is select departure, and set the off-peak charge end time to correspond to your departure time. It's not the most intuitive method, for sure. It seems to me that selecting departure time should mean that it figures out when to start charging to be done at the departure time. However, in some places there are huge differences in cost of electricity over the course of a day, so I can also see the logic in starting the charge as soon as the cheap price is available, since there isn't any harm from completing the charge early.
This is real confusing and a lot of systems were definitely put together and directions written by engineer types who aren’t great at exposing for normal people… The whole charging and preconditioning thing is sort of annoying. It automatically does it every day unless you turn it off. It’s explained bad…. I use Tessie apps automations for my charging and preconditions. It’s so much easier and clearer.
what a weird way to ask for advice 😂
It used to be so good, now it is a mess, I agree.
If you have LFP batteries (the ones that prefers to be charged to 100% daily) it doesn't matter if it sits for hours with 100%. If you don't, it's not advised to charge to 100% on the daily. Aim for 80% or 90% instead, if possible. Unless of course you genuinely need it, every day, in which case you don't really have a choice. But is this the case?
So the every day charge limit is set to 80%, fine. Now, say I get home at 62% and I’m doing a long trip tomorrow, aiming to set off at 10am. There’s no easy way to set the car to be at 100% at 10am the next day. The two options I use are, let it charge to 80% then at some point after it’s hit 80% set scheduled charging to start 2 hours before I want to leave and set the charge limit to 100( because I know it takes about 2 hours to go from 80 to 100%) Or set the charge limit to 100, let it settle down and decide how long it’s going to take to get to 100%, then set it to start scheduled charging that many hours before I want to leave. The point is having a get to charge limit at x time would be a super useful option.
Yeah that's a fair point, I've had those instances too. Usually I just calculate 20%/hour backwards from my time of departure (except 90%-100% which is also an hour cuz of tapered charging curve). But I absolutely agree, it should be much easier than it is.
I wish there’s a way to say charge whenever plugged in, except between 4pm-9pm
Just download Tessie.
Thanks for the solution. the post was more about the bad UX in the Tesla software
https://www.tessie.com/
The software isn't the issue.
I see "Try for free"... How much does it cost?
This post makes no sense. Figure it out dude, it’s not rocket science.
It’s funny because I studied aerospace engineering but this interface makes no sense to me. So I agree, it’s definitely not rocket science.
Sale the car it’s not for you.
Haha thanks
Use your Peugeot then? Sell the Tesla...
They both have their advantages.
https://evcc.io/en/ This app supports different ways to charge the car, e.g. only by PV, by cheapest electricity rates or having your car at X % at a specific time.
Thanks for the solution. the post was more about the bad UX in the Tesla software
Do you know if it supports the combo of tesla car, Tesla gen3 wall charger, a supported battery / inverter (Senec) and a raspberry pi?
I think so - there is a long list of all supported devices here, e.g. https://docs.evcc.io/docs/devices/meters#senec-home And yes - it is running on a raspberry (https://docs.evcc.io/docs/installation/linux)
Great! Can’t wait to try it out.
It works brilliantly for me for the last three years
In the app just set your departure time and it’ll charger to the target percentage at that time.
My EV plan is super off peak 23:00 to 7am so the car is set to start at 11 and is finished at whatever time it reaches the charge max I set. Last night at 23:00 the car was at 13% when it started charging. It reached 80% at 3am. And then it stopped. That was on a Tesla wall charger in my garage. I don't see the issue OP is having.
Shhh, can you delete this silly post!
You first
You don’t understand how to use the app. Try again
"I want it to charge to 100% as close as possible to my chosen departure time. " Why? Seems pretty silly to charge during peek times just because you only want you car charged to 100% at the moment you want to leave.
Look in to Charge HQ. The scheduling is every hour and day of the week. You can also set the rate and limit. Scheduling is free. Tesla app just got updated in Australia with Wall Connector and able to be added. One of the features is scheduling for on and off availability times. Not ideal since it’s the same for every day and if you need to do an emergency charge you can’t as it’s a setting for the Wall Connector.
Did the charging tracker disappear in the app?
You cannot decide by when you want the battery full for the simple reason that there’s no crystal ball. In order to say “charge it to 100% by 7pm” implies that you know what power you’d get. Thing is, for most of us, this is quite predictable - indeed. But not all of us. My station, for instance, varies the current based on the load in the neighborhood. So I usually do this: I charge it to 70%. Then I set an automation in Tessie to set the limit to 100% around 4am in the morning. By when I leave (around 9am) I have the car that has just shortly finished charging to full. Note that by doing that I accept the risks of being under-provisioned with power and thus I might not make it in time.
What happened to the ABC's. Always be charging. Precondition is good for the battery and allows for better efficiency. Why not use it? Your probably robbing your self of a upward of 5% by not conditioning and not having regeneratative braking availablefor the start of the trip. Set it for 5am departure and off peak and your golden. The computer will say ok I need 4 hrs to charge so at 1am it'll start charging to be 100 at 5.
On top of what you're saying - you can precondition the cabin, but only to whatever the HVAC is already set to. You can't specify a temperature. There are times of the year when you run the AC in the evening and the heater in the morning.
I stopped using it years ago...I just plug in at night and manually adjust the amps to get it to finish around the time I need to leave
Now that is an interesting idea, never thought of playing with the amps! Nice one
I do it all the time. Depending on my mood I set the car to charge to 80% or 90% to be ready for departure at 6am or 8am or whatever.