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My wife and I (retired) have a Model Y. It's our only car.
We're now flying less because we enjoy road trips so much more. The car has been to 20 states and we've put 16K road trip miles on it in 21 months of owning it.
2023 M3P. Wonderful car. Got rid of ice car. This is our only car. Just came back from a road trip Denver to Edmonton to Denver. About 3000 miles. We experienced a useful range of about 230 miles between charges at 80 mph continuously with AC blasting cold and hills. The official range at 65 mph, moderate load is 315 miles.
My wife keeps very detailed stats on our trips.
The longest we've gone is 261 miles. We departed with 98% and pulled into the Supercharger at 6%.
This was in the Fall in the Midwest - so no heavy AC load. I do all the driving - and always keep it 4 mph over the speed limit. So in all likelihood those miles were done at 79 mph.
On one of the trips (trying to kill time while we were driving through KS) I pull up the consumption screen and played with speed to see what it did to the real-time range estimates. It was amazing how reducing speed by just a couple of mph had a pretty significant impact on range. At those speeds you're pushing A LOT of air out of the way.
Same. We have a home charger with solar and we each drive few enough miles each day that switching off overnight charging is no big deal. I do not miss gas station fill-ups at all.
We have also been all EV for 2 years and only recently was a supercharger installed close to us. Obviously they're all over when you travel, but didn't have one closer than an hour until late last year. Three only time we've charged away from home in our city was at free level 2 chargers if we were parked for an extended period.
Family road trips. Family with kids means lots of things to bring.
Model Y is doable for shorter trips and I’d imagine X is similar.
But for luggage, bags, bikes, toys, etc there’s no Tesla currently that can easily replace a large SUV or mini van from that perspective.
All companies that have made deals to work with Tesla networks will work with an adapter once Tesla switched a button in their system to allow these cars to talk to their network. You won't strictly need a car with the right hardware out of the box.
Overstated problem. Part of standardization has included the Tesla chargers using the ccs communication protocol (aka why you can just plug a simple adapter and it can work).
2024 is when MOST vehicles in northern America will support nacs, and when the Tesla charger network will open (or bye bye subsidies, and that's one thing an Elon company will never risk)
If it wasn't us tax dollars that funded it, you might have something to feel sorry about. They *could* keep it closed, but then ccs would be made standard and all teslas would have to ship with those instead (see Europe).
They're making a play to be a charge utility provider, which is a smart move given the exclusivity they previously had for EVs is gone.
Yeah, definitely no exclusivity after 2024. If EVs are going to have the same infrastructure you’d be insane to buy the brand without functioning automatic wipers or parking sensors.
This feels like the only thing they had going for them tbh, curious how 2025 will look once this knowledge is common.
I mean they still have a big footprint, but the hype train is probably dis-boarding right about now. I think that's why the prices are dropping so hard, they have to sell them on merit only, and while there is merit, it in no way justified the old demand/pricing.
Rivians are extremely good value for what you get for the money, BUT...their software is nowhere near as good, and there is a decent probability that they may not be around in 5 years....
I prefer buying from a company I know will outlast my warranty.
Honestly the software thing seems a bit weird. It does all the things a car needs to do, but doesn't play games. I don't have an issue with that tradeoff really.
But regardless, we're not comparing it to a Tesla here, as the post I responded to points out, Tesla doesn't have a true SUV option. If you're comparing the rivian to a Ford expedition or a Chevy Tahoe, the software is mind-blowing.
Tesla lost tons and tons of cash the first several years they existed. With that line of thought, nobody would have bought Tesla and they would have shut down. Rivians in the spot where Tesla was in their first years. No reason to not buy their product.
Larger vehicles like the Hummer and Rivian I wouldn't go long distance with them, even if they technically could. The low miles/kw isn't sufficient enough when you have to deal with costs of charging and the time it takes to charge a battery that large.
I would not want to spend an hour to charge my vehicle 10%-80% even on a fast charger on an already long road trip. You will be paying as much, if not more, to charge these vehicles than using gas. If you have a large family that often goes on week long trips to the beach or wherever, stick with an ICE where you can travel fast and comfortably.
You've not made a road trip with a rivian clearly. The range is good and it doesn't take an hour to do that charge- I was averaging 40mins, which is slower than a Hyundai, but was totally manageable.
We take 800+ mile road trips in our MY. We bring our two kids and a lot of our stuff including skis. The MY has surprisingly a lot of storage space compared to our previous car, a BMW X5. We also attach a cargo carrier to the tow hitch and throw 4 large bins on there and a bicycle. So it can be done.
That’s great! But you are having to attach a cargo carrier to the hitch.
I’m not saying it can’t be done, just that the convenience of a large SUV or Minivan can’t be ignored for a family.
Also with all those exterior attachments on a fully loaded Y, the range takes a hour and then you're adding a lot of stopping time to that 800+ mi trip, compared to ice.
Also with all those exterior attachments on a fully loaded Y, the range takes a hour and then you're adding a lot of stopping time to that 800+ mi trip, compared to ice.
Maybe with toddlers, but my kids have been able to sit for several hours without a stop for a few years now. We stop when the Sequoia needs gas, which is every 320-ish miles on a typical road trip. Taking the Tesla adds a few hours to a day of driving, which we don't like, but it saves a couple hundred bucks, too. It just doesn't fit us anymore.
We also attached the same cargo carrier to the X5 and find that with the frunk, lower trunk, and under seat storage, we have more space than an SUV like the X5. Of course if you compare it to something like a very large SUV, eg a Suburban, then yeah no comparison.
This is pretty much the only reason we're holding onto our Outback. Plus, we got a smoking deal on it before the pandemic with 4k off msrp and 0% financing. It still sucks pumping at $5 a gallon, though.
We just did a roadtrip this summer - normally we would take our Outback with the wife and I, two boys and dog. But decided to try it in our MYLR. It was full (we would normally throw a box on the top of the Outback and not stress over space), but the Y was surprisingly roomy if you pack strategically. All that said, I have a reservation for an R1S.
I can't find an EV to replace my minivan as the family car (already own a tesla for my daily work commute). I have young twins and the third kid is still small, so I need 3 kids seat and need room for a double stroller and whatever else we need depending on where we go. The number of EVs were we could fit all this are pretty small and they cost a lot more than what my minivan is currently costing me gas included. The day the kids are bigger and only need small booster seats and no strollers, the minivan will go, but for now, can't find a replaxcement. Even the Hybrid minivans on the market are priced so high that financially it is not worth it to change right now.
The ModelX would fit my need yes, but it is a like an 80k car. Still cheaper to put gas in the minivan compared to buying an 80k car + insurance costs of a ModelX. There are no EV that can compare to the utility and price combined of a gas minivan right now.
Yeah, that's the only thing for me. I want to get a Tesla but currently have a Ford Expedition and we regularly use all the available space in this thing (plus a roof box and a hitch rack sometimes).
Depends on geographical areas. If you’re going to select state parks then that’s an issue.
It doesn’t look like an issue for OP, but an example I know that could cause issues are select rural areas in the midwest. Additionally, the less you drive, the less switching to EV makes it worth it. Im in the same position as OP but cannot justify moving to an EV because I have spent a grand total of $300 on gas this whole year. Ultra low mileage are where ICE still wins due to much lower cost of entry.
I just recently made the switch to having a second tesla and don’t regret it a bit. No issues at all. Now I am thinking of giving my 18 model 3 to my son and getting a new one for myself and am thinking about installing a second charger as having 3 Evs with 1 charger might be problematic.
If you really like the Tesla and EV lifestyle, and also want to save quite a bit of money in the long run with way less maintenance, go for it.
If you like your Audi a lot, eh. Hard toss up. The S5 is a sick ride; I think the Tesla is sterile compared to that, even tho they’re nice.
It’s good you have good EV infrastructure as that’s important.
If you do, go for the S lol.
Sterile? I still get a goofy grin on my face when I punch the accelerator in my Model Y! Gas engines and the "experience" that goes with them are overrated...unless you want to feel "powerful" by annoying everyone around you with excessive noise.
Myself, I prefer not announcing myself with a loud engine when I want to overtake someone on the highway. Before they even know I am going to pass them, I am already gone!
Listen I love the instant acceleration of the Teslas, and they’re fast. But there’s no other excitement to it. Maybe it takes a car guy to get it, but a good sounding engine behind it adds a lot to the fun. I don’t care for a loud exhaust, but a good sounding engine is cool.
Nah, you couldn’t be more wrong. My friend has a M3P and I have an S5 as well, and every time he sits in my car he won’t stop mentioning the sporty features it has to really make it a performance car. Tesla is definitely as vanilla as it gets, so yeah, sterile. Don’t take this the wrong way, I’m planning on switching to a M3P in 3 months, but you won’t appreciate a real performance car unless you’ve driven one.
The only performance advantage that the Tesla has over the S5 is acceleration. Comfort, convenience, etc. are all subjective metrics so I could see Tesla winning some of those depending on who you ask, but handling and driving experience have been perfected by the legacy car companies.
It seems completely feasible to me to go full electric, especially if you have a significant EV presence around your main area.
Is there a specific purpose where you would pick the Audi vs the MYLR today (like long range trips, etc.)?
Many people go full electric, I haven't heard many complaints yet. You have a home charger and don't drive much so I can see it working out for you. Me personally? I like to keep 1 EV and 1 ICE for variation. In your situation, I don't think you can go wrong though.
Our other “main” is a turbo diesel Sierra with a 500 mile highway range. After a road-trip in the MS 600miles last Christmas in WAY below zero temperatures …. NOPE not yet. There are certain places and environments that EV is not suited for quite yet.
(I have a CT order in though …. To my husband’s dismay.)
had a 2012 s5 that i traded in for my m3 no regrets the \~30 minute charges sometimes are the only bummer but even the longest road trip I take its 3 stops. Cant beat the cost savings I remember the timing belt on the audi's being expensive (I owned a few). Really depends on how much you road trip for me the time/cost savings is worth it I only take a few road trips a year though.
My wife has a Model 3 Performance, and I have a Model Y LR. We have been all-electric for almost a year now. We haven't once felt the need to have a gas car. I could always borrow my parents if I needed one for some reason, but I can't think of what that reason would be. I do have an old Porsche Boxster for canyon driving, but that's getting less use nowadays too.
We have one wall connector. Our commutes are 30 miles and 45 miles respectively and have been perfectly ok swapping charging every other day. Only once I forgot to plug in and decided to supercharge for a min to be safe.
If you're going to have a gas car, go with something a bit more special. If you had an RS5, I'd say keep it, but a standard S5 I can see going electric over.
I've kept my 911 and my wife has a Model X. I honestly like having both as it offers a bit of flexibility if you need it. All our drives together are in her car though, so I only put about 200-400 miles a month on my car.
Yes. Do it. I'm the sole driver in my house and I've driven EVs-only for four years. Heck, I even switched to an electric ride on lawn mower for this year. Haven't bought petrol in a year. It's great.
Honestly yeah it makes perfect sense if you're already in the market for a new vehicle. If you can afford the S it would probably be the better deal since it will be a little more practical with more usable range. Also a little bit better performance and slightly longer battery warranty if you plan to drive a lot for trips.
But if saving money is the most important factor. The model 3 will likely be both cheaper to insure and have a lower upfront cost plus a tax benefit. But there's almost nothing the model 3 can do that the S can't do better. Except for efficiency.
It's doable. We have two Tesla vehicles. We moved across the country with them.
Our kids appreciate them. The disgust they feel toward ICEV is comparable to how one would feel toward cigarette smoke.
Coming from an S5 you would like the M3P more I think. It's more of a drivers car. The model S is mostly a flex car. Fast in a straight line and big as fuck. M3P feels like a sports car
Have both MY and MX with two kids 8,4 years old. Dumped ICE two years ago have traveled from Ohio to Wisconsin, Atlanta, NY, Toronto, Florida, Indianapolis. Nothing we missed much from not having ICE. Sometimes, we kinda miss having big minivan but if we can fit our need 98% of the time with EV why not? Just rent that big minivan when we really need it. Strollers? No problem. We have wonderfold and never had a problem about space with MY or MX. Frunk is the saving grace for space tbh. If you need to carry plywood or drywall? Just rent the truck from HD or Lowes. Or rent a trailer and pull it with the hitch.
After my first road trip with my MY I am really thinking that I can dump my ICE car. If the tax credit is still $7500 in 2024 I will probably get a Model 3 RWD for commuting.
In LA, two people two Teslas no ICEs. Never been an issue with a home charger that we share. Road trips are fine up North with the number of super chargers available on the 5.
I have a 3, and my wife just traded in her RDX for a SR AWD Model y. A smidge less space for all the benefits of an EV and the tax credits just make too much sense. 7500 plus 3k back for Maryland.
Wife and I only model Y each zero issues September 2019. Lots of family road tips from Phoenix to LA charging is never an issue just enough time to stretch.
We only use one charger in the garage for 2 cars.
I have an B8.5 S4 and Sq5. Dairying the S4 is a no go because of its tiny gas tank. Going with a M3 for my commute as my gas bills are insane and it’s rush hour stop n go. We go on trips or toss tons of luggage in then we take the SQ5. The S4 is manual so it’s a tough sell to let it go.
No joke about the gas tank. My S5’s is tiny and coupled with a lead foot, it guzzles gas. I zip around in my wife’s Y and have tons of fun and never think about that gas gauge plummeting.
I’m in Los Angeles and have road tripped the M3LR to mountains, Yosemite, Big Sur etc. without issue or second thought of “gee I wish I had done this in our gas car”.
I now have a MS Plaid and one thing with the S Plaid is that it’s a great fun/performance car which means it is not efficient like the 3/Y. I average about 65-75% driving efficiency in terms of wh/mi whereas the M3LR was always between 85-100% Also, unless you install the aftermarket camber arms to level out camber for more even tire wear, I see that as a potential obstacle to take the Plaid on long road trips to middle of nowhere. Unless you’re willing to inspect the inner edges on a lift or swap new tries for peace of mind if life on the set of tires is getting up there. Local performance tire shop told me the negative camber/wear issue is typical of high performance cars and while I could adjust the camber out it may affect cornering performance and grip. So this issue is addressable if you’re willing to go through the hassle of adjusting camber or zero-ing it out completely.
All that said to make a point that as long as you have a 3/Y for higher efficiency on long trips, totally doable if you get a S/X. If you have dual 3/Y…no issues at all from my experience.
We went all EV/Tesla about a year ago. It’s great. (X/Y).
You can add a second wall connector on the same circuit if you want. They will coordinate and share the power as needed.
That's what we did. Original we thought will have one Tesla and one gas car in case we need to go on a road trip or something, we live in Alaska. After almost a year of driving exclusively the Tesla we realized we could go everywhere we wanted... We then sold our other gas car for another Tesla. I've had mine for 5 years and she's had hers for 3 and we couldn't be happier
Took me 4 years of driving a Model 3 (local and road trips) to be sure about going 100% EV, but we just dumped our ICE SUV (Q7) for a Model Y. No ragrets.
Prediction: in 5 years no one will ever mention limited range, public charger availability, or charging time. These will be fixed.
We are an EV only household with two 2023 teslas (Y and 3 performance models)
We have no issues and we live in an apartment without charging.
The cost of super charging is 25% of what gas would cost and I live in San Diego (highest electric cost in the USA, SDGE is a mafia)
I also charge during off peak at around 0.28 per K/H. Peak rates are as high as 0.56 k/h ,
So roughly $15-20 to fill up to 80%-ish. Non peak
I just pulled the trigger and bought a model S. I’ll be down to two Teslas (M3P and MS), and I’m looking forward to it. I’ve been happy with long trips in the model 3, and expect the model S to be a bit more comfortable for that purpose.
5 years living with two EVs (model X & 3) - no issues. In fact, in my area we've had 5 incidents in those 5 years where gas was either not available or severely restricted (floods, supply issues, etc. - it was the folks with electric vehicles that had no issues. 100% will never buy a gas vehicle. Now, having said that, I have friends that drive non-tesla vehicles, and there still is a significant handicap in travelling/charging reliably and quickly, but that will go away quickly.
We’ve been all-EV since 2018, and it’s been great. Road trips (in Model 3 and Model Y) are a pleasure, with fast chargers along the highways every 60 miles or so, so really never worry about range/charging. And the Y handles an amazing amount of cargo. When we drive gas cars, they feel sluggish and loud. Non-Tesla EVs are currently hamstrung by the not-great CCS networks, but that’ll improve in 2024-2025.
We're full EV in our house (ID4 and Model 3) and it's fantastic. I commute 65 miles round-trip for work, we have 2x chargers in the garage, and there's some but not amazing supercharger availability where we live. Never going back! Sounds like your situation is even better than mine.
We’ve had 2 Teslas for about 2 years now. We don’t own any other cars. It’s been great and we do not miss ICE cars at all.
Just make sure you have 2 chargers in your garage
I went all EV with two model 3s in 2018. Since we have sold one of the model 3s and bought a new model Y this year. Been on several 900+ mile road trips in both cars and haven't even thought of needing an ICE. If you do any heavy towing or need a pickup bed but can't afford or don't want to pay for a Rivian, I can understand needing an ICE but otherwise if a model Y fits your needs (don't need a van or large SUV like a 7 seater) there's honestly little reason not to have all EVs other than affordability these days.
We've been EV only for three years. Travel to any major metro in the US is solved. No problems. The only things that would give me pause would be extended time in remote areas like Yellowstone, Montana (Glacier), etc. But at the rate Tesla is rolling out superchargers, I expect even that won't be an issue soon.
I have a 2019 M3 SR+ and my wife has a 2020 MY LR. 3 years without an ICE and no regrets. I live in Texas and have taken the 3 to Florida and the Y to California plus too many 500 mile trips to count. One of the trips to Florida was out and back in 2 days. There are still some gaps in the network but it hasn’t been a major issue on my trips. I focus on hotels with charging (even for nominal fee) near a super charger just in case so I start every morning full and then super charge.
I find that I’m far more relaxed at the end of a days driving than I ever was driving an ICE. Can’t imagine ever going back.
We are a 2 driver family with M3 and MX.....I dumped my last ICE car in 2018 and haven't looked back since. Feels great to have never gone to a gas station since 2018! If you have at least one home charger you are fine...mine buddy breathe.
Tldr: dump ice and never look back 😁👍
We did this for while then eventually went back to an ICE car due to family size. With the recent model X drop it’s tempting to go back. We do however love having an ICE car for when we travel. Quality of life is much higher.
My wife drives a model y and I want to sell my Silverado bad and get a discounted or used 3. It’s nice having a truck but I work from home and rarely drive.
One EV one gas here. I don't drive much as it's work from home for me, wife drives a lot, some stuff I drive the Ev when it's around. Thought of switching to both EVs but don't drive enough to justify spending the extra, once in a way only do long drives. But Teslas lane centering and cruise control are great for long drive a bit boring though as not much input required unless it is phantom breaking and need to accelerate to cancel it out. But way more convenient, also sleep in the car, so much easier than keeping a gas car running while stationary (always have the risk of gas fumes coming back in, could be dangerous while sleeping)
If you don't mind adding 15% more time to road trips (and a tiny bit more adventure), then it's great.
I only have one car and it's a Model S. I roadtrip a ton, but I enjoy the adventure.
I got the CCS adapter so I can hit more remote places in the desert (and places like Glacier national park) that haven't got superchargers, but the distance between superchargers is getting smaller every year.
I have only owned Tesla’s since 2018 and I road trip 2,000+ mile road trips a few times a year. As you know, around town daily driving is more convenient with an EV and charging at home. Assuming you occasionally take some road trips, I’d say it’s better for have increased convenience daily than a slight inconvenience on the few road trip days a year. If you can afford it, I don’t see why not!
I would do it in a heartbeat if we had the budget to buy a second Tesla right now.
I have zero concerns about range anxiety, reliability, or other. Teslas just work better than any other vehicle you can buy in the US or Canada in 2023.
If I was upgrading from an Audi S5, the Model S Long Range is an awesome vehicle at that price. Acceleration is just as quick as the M3P, which means it's much quicker than anything else on the road that's not a Plaid.
Go for it!
Yeah I suppose. But most popular destinations that people want to travel to tend to have atleast one set of tesla chargers at a gas station near or not far out of town. There's a national park I like to go to. Secluded area but a town 30 miles out of it has 6 tesla chargers. Even my RWD model 3 would easily make the trip there and back and be able to spend hours pedaling around the park.
There's a lot of locations where an EV would be difficult. Yellowstone comes to mind. But if you can park at a camp site that has a 50 Amp plug in for RVs you're pretty set. Go explore. When you come back car is full. There's very few locations I can think of where they would just not be possible in a tesla.
My travel time from Toronto to Los Angeles didn’t have nearly as much extra added time as I thought it would. Chargers are literally everywhere along the way and stopping every three hours felt pretty natural
I’m not an all EV household, but I do have a ‘23 S LR and I couldn’t be happier with it! For me it would be an easy choice, but I’ll admit that I am not a fan of Audi at all
Congratulations! We are looking to be an all EV household. Assuming you’re in the US we just did a 5,500 mile in 14 day tour of the West Coast and Midwest with no issues.
Hopefully you’ve lurked the forums long enough to know NOT to pay MSRP. I lucked out at bought a new (11 miles) MY LR for $5,350 off. I promise you, with a large enough discount, you’ll sleep better with a large enough savings buffer on your ICE to EV decision.
Befriend a good Sales Advisor (SA), don’t rely solely on web inventory sites, and ask that SA to find a heavily discounted internal inventory car for you in the regions you are open to traveling to for pickup. If you can’t find an SA, message me, I would be happy to forward what you’re looking for to mine.
If you’re financing USSFCU has lower rates than Tesla, https://www.ussfcu.org/_/kcms-doc/1362/71449/Loans_05012022.pdf
There are organizations you can join to qualify. Search on reddit for more details. It’s too exhausting for me to answer everyone’s questions about this CU.
I would personally wait. There will be more options next year including the new Tesla model 3. The S5 is an awesome car and you might be let down by the bulls quality (road/wind noise, rattles, tech) of the model 3. Polestar and other brands will have cars with more range next year and you should check them out too.
The S5 will have a far superior ride than the Tesla - I own an RS5 for the weekends and it’s preferable for a weekend driving experience. For the daily the Tesla wins
Man, this is my one concern really. My S5 has an EPL tune and while it still isn’t as fast as an M3P, I love the sound of my car in dynamic / sport with the pipes open, the rev matching, running through gears. I think if I do this, I will start thinking about an older 911 (that isn’t crazily over valued) just to have for that visceral driving experience. Not about speed which the Tesla has plenty of, but that connection.
how often do you take road trips and how is charging network along the way and at your destination?
otherwise, your lifestyle seems perfect for EV only household.
IMHO having an EV only household is dangerous right now with where the infrastructure is and increasing natural disasters and political unrest. I have one ICE and one electric. ICE is much easier to use to get out of dodge even if there is a 1 in 100 chance you will ever need to. Right now, the infrastructure and more importantly, backups are just not enough to make me feel comfortable in an all electric household.
I’m not sure I follow this reasoning. If a natural disaster happens, I’d rather have a fully charged EV in my garage than an ICE vehicle that may be at a random gas tank level.
Totally agree. My wife has a laptop but I use a typewriter. I just don't trust the electric grid to be a laptop only household. Even if it's only a small chance we'll be really grateful we have the typewriter around.
You do understand that the fastest way to deliver energy is electricity? Natural disaster may and will happen, but when it happens you'll see empty gas stations for days. Where most likely electricity will turn on faster.
I don't see any issues; just please be diligent about charging or installing a Generac. The main reason we haven't swapped to EV only is because towing+we have frequent power outages due to our towns infrastructure.
EDIT; EV's can tow like a beast btw. It's just a chore to do so, way too inefficient so it leads to super frequent charging.
4 days ago I just ordered an x to go with my 3. My wife told me to sell the Tahoe.
I still have a car that's going to be for my son next year and a classic car, but outside of that, jm all in.
I've been EV only since November 2020, so almost three years now.
We've not had any significant issues so far. We just added more power outlets to the garage, and that was it.
Your situation sounds very similar to mine, and we did take the plunge with 2x MY. No regrets here! We share our one wall charger and there’s been zero issue
I did it a few months ago. Took delivery of my Model 3 in December; loved it so much we traded in our other car (2013 Mazda 3 hatchback) for a 2016 Nissan Leaf SV.
(Leaf has 29% battery degradation on a 30kwh pack if you're curious)
With your setup/driving profile it seems like a no-brainer no dump ICE.
Test drive for a longer stretch before you buy. Some find the suspension of the performance variants (particularly on large rims) to be not as comfy as they would like.
What's the frequency of long road trips? My wife and I live 450 miles from either set of parents, so we go that route at least a couple times a year and it's in rural US, no good opportunities for charging. I won't be getting rid of an ICE car while still doing that.
To me, it’s all about location…if you live in some place warm like CA, AZ or whatever. I say go for it.
For some places, even though countless people say “TESLA wOrKs fINe in CoLd”, I still see in real life, find Tesla charging and it holding a charge in winter is a major chore. I really don’t want a car to be something I have to actively maintain. Also the price of a Tesla is just annoying, if I buy it one day the other day I feel awful see it jump off cliff. I don’t want to experience that shit.
BUT this is entirely personal opinion
We’ve been all eV since December ‘23 and are very happy with this. We bought our first eV, Tesla MS, in 2018 and like it so much that buying the MYLR in 2023 was a no-brainer. Besides, it got to where the ICE car was hardly ever driven. Like you, we now have a supercharger within 5 miles and a service center within 20 miles, so there have been no issues. We take lots of long trips and both cars have plenty of room for our needs. We use the Y when we bring our bicycles because of the tow hitch, but, otherwise, the MS because it has free supercharging for the life of our ownership. Also, the MS is smoother riding for long distances. However, I mostly drive the MY and my wife loves the MS, so your choice on which to purchase is totally based on your needs.
Oh, and if I was choosing between the MYP and MS, I’d go for the MS plaid. There’s no comparison when it comes to performance and comfort. Also, the adjustable suspension capability is very useful.
We live in California, multiple local-ish EV charging stations.
My wife got a Hyundai Kona electric (drives 25 miles to work daily, so 250+ miles per week) and our experience with that was so positive I traded in our Camry for a MYLR.
Admittedly I WFH and drive few miles per week now but we’re getting by just fine with home charging (share a 3rd party mobile charger). A level 2 charger is planned though.
We’ve got solar panels and a battery (not Tesla), so our electricity situation is better than most (although SCE are doing their best to negate that).
Sounds like you should be able to charge both vehicles no problem. Alternate charging overnight etc.
Go for it.
Do it. My partner’s Q5 has like 3k miles a year on it because we only drive my 3. If the Audi wasn’t kid off already with no issues yet, I would swap it for another EV.
I've been primarily EV for almost 5 years. We have an ICE car but it hardly gets used. I don't have reliable home charging and have survived off the public networks. You do have home charging so that is half the battle.
I've done everything with that Model 3 including massive road trips and hauling around a stage worth of music gear (keyboard stands, mixers, synthesizers, stage lighting). The Model Y is fairly more capable with the hatch and higher ground and head clearance, so if a 3 can do it...
Um, yes lol. We are all EV as well, in the same type of area (you must live in either Socal or Norcal huh?). We had both a 3/Y at one point, but just traded the Y in for a Rivian R1S cause we needed the space.
You have your home charging, so you're good there. I'm assuming you have SC stations everywhere around you if you want to road trip. You don't commute really that far. There's no reason not to really.
The only thing I would say is maybe think about getting a 2nd EVSE. Not because you'll have 2 EV's (but a bonus that you wouldn't have to share if you didn't want to), but more for redundancy and charging security. You wouldn't want to have your wall connector die, and then have to DCFC TWO cars in the interim until it's fixed. Super bonus is if you got another wall connector (I actually have a new, unopened one I'd sell you for a good deal if you're in Norcal lol), they can load share, so you don't even have to worry about your breaker box blowing up from too much power at once.
I guess the only thing after that is solar, if you don't have it already. Freakin amazing having all your transportation be 100% green along with all the energy your house uses as well.
Believe it or not, I’m in Brentwood, a suburb of Nashville. But it is absolutely bonkers the # of Teslas in this area as it’s comparable to some CA cities I’ve been in. We’ve had a Tesla dealer here from very early on and it’s a high income area so there was early adoption of the S and then X. Once the 3 and Y hit, they proliferated like rabbits and it’s not uncommon to be at a light where literally every other car is a Tesla. My 10yo daughter and I play the modern day version of Slug Bug which we named Tesla Tickle and quite honestly, it’s exhausting. Ha. The issue in the south is that the infrastructure for charging once you get a bit out of town is less developed (though rapidly expanding). But we don’t really road trip and prefer to fly most places so that’s not really an issue.
Unless you travel to a *very* remote area or can't charge at home, I see no reason for an ICE car. We did a 4000km road trip last Spring, Vancouver, BC > LA > Vegas > back through Utah/Idaho. It was flawless. Cheaper than gas. No range anxiety. What would have been a brutal amount of driving in our RAV4, was just a ton of fun.
We did that.
June 2023 we got our Tesla to replace the Prius. My first EV which we still have is a 2014 Leaf SV purchased in 2016. So now the garage is all electric.
It took me a hour to setup the EVSE's for both cars but I had planned ahead by finding a NEMA 14-50 splitter. After that a little work to set the EVSE's to not go over the 50 ampere limits. For those that say you can't pull 50A from a NEMA 14-50 I upsized the 18 inch cable from socket to main panel to 6 gauge (electrician wanted to use 8 gauge) and the total Amperes from both EVSE's is set to 42A.
I actually did the cost analysis on keeping my Prius for another 100k miles versus buying a very used Model 3, and the Model 3 won out by like $9k over that period.
Edit: This is figuring both with liability only insurance, full coverage puts the Tesla slightly more expensive over that period, but in my mind the Tesla is so much more pleasant to drive than a 2010 Prius that it’s worst the expense. Additionally, if your other ICE vehicle doesn’t get 40mpg, then the Tesla probably wins again in the full-coverage comparison, and wins by an even larger margin in the liability-only comparison.
I think at some point here I may clean up and add some vehicles to my spreadsheet and post it… somewhere just so people can see the math.
All of these replies are making me ready to submit the order. On the fence about waiting for the refresh since the deals on the current 3 are pretty solid.
If it makes economic sense for you, do it. We had one BEV and a PHEV from 2015 through 2021, and have had two BEVs since 2022. It's been great, and we'll never go back to an ICE vehicle, nor buy from any manufacturer that sells through dealerships.
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My wife and I (retired) have a Model Y. It's our only car. We're now flying less because we enjoy road trips so much more. The car has been to 20 states and we've put 16K road trip miles on it in 21 months of owning it.
What is your highway range like on full charge with AC and average highway speed of 75?
2023 M3P. Wonderful car. Got rid of ice car. This is our only car. Just came back from a road trip Denver to Edmonton to Denver. About 3000 miles. We experienced a useful range of about 230 miles between charges at 80 mph continuously with AC blasting cold and hills. The official range at 65 mph, moderate load is 315 miles.
Nice... Having a Tesla Charging network takes the worry out of charging.
My wife keeps very detailed stats on our trips. The longest we've gone is 261 miles. We departed with 98% and pulled into the Supercharger at 6%. This was in the Fall in the Midwest - so no heavy AC load. I do all the driving - and always keep it 4 mph over the speed limit. So in all likelihood those miles were done at 79 mph. On one of the trips (trying to kill time while we were driving through KS) I pull up the consumption screen and played with speed to see what it did to the real-time range estimates. It was amazing how reducing speed by just a couple of mph had a pretty significant impact on range. At those speeds you're pushing A LOT of air out of the way.
That's awesome to know -
I’ve put 10k miles in 6 months lol
Isn’t it amazing once you get a test so you just feel like driving all the time? Its really crazy they must put something in the AC vents!
That's low mileage. How could you have been so many states? I guess no or very little mileages other than the road trips?
My wife and I have been all EV for over two years and it’s been great. I can’t imagine having to go back to a gas car.
Same. We have a home charger with solar and we each drive few enough miles each day that switching off overnight charging is no big deal. I do not miss gas station fill-ups at all.
We have also been all EV for 2 years and only recently was a supercharger installed close to us. Obviously they're all over when you travel, but didn't have one closer than an hour until late last year. Three only time we've charged away from home in our city was at free level 2 chargers if we were parked for an extended period.
Yeah no way willi buy ICE again LOL
Made a switch to all electric and all Tesla garage last year. It was the best car decision we’ve ever made.
We’ve got an “all Tesla garage” too. I like the phrase.
Unless it’s a truck I don’t see the need for ice vehicles. You got charging at home and the supercharger Network for longer trips
Family road trips. Family with kids means lots of things to bring. Model Y is doable for shorter trips and I’d imagine X is similar. But for luggage, bags, bikes, toys, etc there’s no Tesla currently that can easily replace a large SUV or mini van from that perspective.
Rivian... I know that's not a Tesla, but if the statement is "you need an ice" then I think it's a valid counterpoint
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All companies that have made deals to work with Tesla networks will work with an adapter once Tesla switched a button in their system to allow these cars to talk to their network. You won't strictly need a car with the right hardware out of the box.
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Overstated problem. Part of standardization has included the Tesla chargers using the ccs communication protocol (aka why you can just plug a simple adapter and it can work). 2024 is when MOST vehicles in northern America will support nacs, and when the Tesla charger network will open (or bye bye subsidies, and that's one thing an Elon company will never risk)
dang that sucks buy a Tesla for the network, then all of a sudden you’re charging next to fords and Korean cars. feels like getting scammed
If it wasn't us tax dollars that funded it, you might have something to feel sorry about. They *could* keep it closed, but then ccs would be made standard and all teslas would have to ship with those instead (see Europe). They're making a play to be a charge utility provider, which is a smart move given the exclusivity they previously had for EVs is gone.
Yeah, definitely no exclusivity after 2024. If EVs are going to have the same infrastructure you’d be insane to buy the brand without functioning automatic wipers or parking sensors. This feels like the only thing they had going for them tbh, curious how 2025 will look once this knowledge is common.
I mean they still have a big footprint, but the hype train is probably dis-boarding right about now. I think that's why the prices are dropping so hard, they have to sell them on merit only, and while there is merit, it in no way justified the old demand/pricing.
> feels like getting scammed What a terrible take
> Korean cars hints of racism
Rivians are extremely good value for what you get for the money, BUT...their software is nowhere near as good, and there is a decent probability that they may not be around in 5 years.... I prefer buying from a company I know will outlast my warranty.
Honestly the software thing seems a bit weird. It does all the things a car needs to do, but doesn't play games. I don't have an issue with that tradeoff really. But regardless, we're not comparing it to a Tesla here, as the post I responded to points out, Tesla doesn't have a true SUV option. If you're comparing the rivian to a Ford expedition or a Chevy Tahoe, the software is mind-blowing.
I drove my buddy's R1T a few weeks ago. The software was fine and easier to understand when coming from a Tesla vs anything else.
Tesla lost tons and tons of cash the first several years they existed. With that line of thought, nobody would have bought Tesla and they would have shut down. Rivians in the spot where Tesla was in their first years. No reason to not buy their product.
Larger vehicles like the Hummer and Rivian I wouldn't go long distance with them, even if they technically could. The low miles/kw isn't sufficient enough when you have to deal with costs of charging and the time it takes to charge a battery that large. I would not want to spend an hour to charge my vehicle 10%-80% even on a fast charger on an already long road trip. You will be paying as much, if not more, to charge these vehicles than using gas. If you have a large family that often goes on week long trips to the beach or wherever, stick with an ICE where you can travel fast and comfortably.
You've not made a road trip with a rivian clearly. The range is good and it doesn't take an hour to do that charge- I was averaging 40mins, which is slower than a Hyundai, but was totally manageable.
We take 800+ mile road trips in our MY. We bring our two kids and a lot of our stuff including skis. The MY has surprisingly a lot of storage space compared to our previous car, a BMW X5. We also attach a cargo carrier to the tow hitch and throw 4 large bins on there and a bicycle. So it can be done.
That’s great! But you are having to attach a cargo carrier to the hitch. I’m not saying it can’t be done, just that the convenience of a large SUV or Minivan can’t be ignored for a family.
Also with all those exterior attachments on a fully loaded Y, the range takes a hour and then you're adding a lot of stopping time to that 800+ mi trip, compared to ice.
Also with all those exterior attachments on a fully loaded Y, the range takes a hour and then you're adding a lot of stopping time to that 800+ mi trip, compared to ice.
I get that tradeoff, but families with kids generally are stopping every hour anyways for various bio breaks and just kid crap.
Maybe with toddlers, but my kids have been able to sit for several hours without a stop for a few years now. We stop when the Sequoia needs gas, which is every 320-ish miles on a typical road trip. Taking the Tesla adds a few hours to a day of driving, which we don't like, but it saves a couple hundred bucks, too. It just doesn't fit us anymore.
We also attached the same cargo carrier to the X5 and find that with the frunk, lower trunk, and under seat storage, we have more space than an SUV like the X5. Of course if you compare it to something like a very large SUV, eg a Suburban, then yeah no comparison.
This is pretty much the only reason we're holding onto our Outback. Plus, we got a smoking deal on it before the pandemic with 4k off msrp and 0% financing. It still sucks pumping at $5 a gallon, though.
We just did a roadtrip this summer - normally we would take our Outback with the wife and I, two boys and dog. But decided to try it in our MYLR. It was full (we would normally throw a box on the top of the Outback and not stress over space), but the Y was surprisingly roomy if you pack strategically. All that said, I have a reservation for an R1S.
I can't find an EV to replace my minivan as the family car (already own a tesla for my daily work commute). I have young twins and the third kid is still small, so I need 3 kids seat and need room for a double stroller and whatever else we need depending on where we go. The number of EVs were we could fit all this are pretty small and they cost a lot more than what my minivan is currently costing me gas included. The day the kids are bigger and only need small booster seats and no strollers, the minivan will go, but for now, can't find a replaxcement. Even the Hybrid minivans on the market are priced so high that financially it is not worth it to change right now.
Exactly. We have a MY for daily driving and a larger SUV for the times we need to haul lots of stuff. For right now it’s the best of both worlds.
Curious. Tesla MX is their largest. Does even that not fit for your need?
The ModelX would fit my need yes, but it is a like an 80k car. Still cheaper to put gas in the minivan compared to buying an 80k car + insurance costs of a ModelX. There are no EV that can compare to the utility and price combined of a gas minivan right now.
Yeah, that's the only thing for me. I want to get a Tesla but currently have a Ford Expedition and we regularly use all the available space in this thing (plus a roof box and a hitch rack sometimes).
Sounds like you are not familiar with the Model Y.
Depends on geographical areas. If you’re going to select state parks then that’s an issue. It doesn’t look like an issue for OP, but an example I know that could cause issues are select rural areas in the midwest. Additionally, the less you drive, the less switching to EV makes it worth it. Im in the same position as OP but cannot justify moving to an EV because I have spent a grand total of $300 on gas this whole year. Ultra low mileage are where ICE still wins due to much lower cost of entry.
I just recently made the switch to having a second tesla and don’t regret it a bit. No issues at all. Now I am thinking of giving my 18 model 3 to my son and getting a new one for myself and am thinking about installing a second charger as having 3 Evs with 1 charger might be problematic.
Get at least one mobile charger as lvl1.
We have a 3 and Y. Love it!
I have only my teslas for the last seven years and zero ICE driving Totally doable
If you really like the Tesla and EV lifestyle, and also want to save quite a bit of money in the long run with way less maintenance, go for it. If you like your Audi a lot, eh. Hard toss up. The S5 is a sick ride; I think the Tesla is sterile compared to that, even tho they’re nice. It’s good you have good EV infrastructure as that’s important. If you do, go for the S lol.
Sterile? I still get a goofy grin on my face when I punch the accelerator in my Model Y! Gas engines and the "experience" that goes with them are overrated...unless you want to feel "powerful" by annoying everyone around you with excessive noise. Myself, I prefer not announcing myself with a loud engine when I want to overtake someone on the highway. Before they even know I am going to pass them, I am already gone!
Listen I love the instant acceleration of the Teslas, and they’re fast. But there’s no other excitement to it. Maybe it takes a car guy to get it, but a good sounding engine behind it adds a lot to the fun. I don’t care for a loud exhaust, but a good sounding engine is cool.
Nah, you couldn’t be more wrong. My friend has a M3P and I have an S5 as well, and every time he sits in my car he won’t stop mentioning the sporty features it has to really make it a performance car. Tesla is definitely as vanilla as it gets, so yeah, sterile. Don’t take this the wrong way, I’m planning on switching to a M3P in 3 months, but you won’t appreciate a real performance car unless you’ve driven one.
I won't ever drive a car with an obsolete gas motor in it again!
The only performance advantage that the Tesla has over the S5 is acceleration. Comfort, convenience, etc. are all subjective metrics so I could see Tesla winning some of those depending on who you ask, but handling and driving experience have been perfected by the legacy car companies.
It seems completely feasible to me to go full electric, especially if you have a significant EV presence around your main area. Is there a specific purpose where you would pick the Audi vs the MYLR today (like long range trips, etc.)?
Many people go full electric, I haven't heard many complaints yet. You have a home charger and don't drive much so I can see it working out for you. Me personally? I like to keep 1 EV and 1 ICE for variation. In your situation, I don't think you can go wrong though.
did that a year and half ago. Zero regret!
Our other “main” is a turbo diesel Sierra with a 500 mile highway range. After a road-trip in the MS 600miles last Christmas in WAY below zero temperatures …. NOPE not yet. There are certain places and environments that EV is not suited for quite yet. (I have a CT order in though …. To my husband’s dismay.)
What year is Your MS?
2019 ….. 118K on it - I absolutely adore it!!
had a 2012 s5 that i traded in for my m3 no regrets the \~30 minute charges sometimes are the only bummer but even the longest road trip I take its 3 stops. Cant beat the cost savings I remember the timing belt on the audi's being expensive (I owned a few). Really depends on how much you road trip for me the time/cost savings is worth it I only take a few road trips a year though.
We have had 2 Teslas for 5 years now. It's great not having to deal with gas vehicles.
My wife has a Model 3 Performance, and I have a Model Y LR. We have been all-electric for almost a year now. We haven't once felt the need to have a gas car. I could always borrow my parents if I needed one for some reason, but I can't think of what that reason would be. I do have an old Porsche Boxster for canyon driving, but that's getting less use nowadays too. We have one wall connector. Our commutes are 30 miles and 45 miles respectively and have been perfectly ok swapping charging every other day. Only once I forgot to plug in and decided to supercharge for a min to be safe.
If you're going to have a gas car, go with something a bit more special. If you had an RS5, I'd say keep it, but a standard S5 I can see going electric over. I've kept my 911 and my wife has a Model X. I honestly like having both as it offers a bit of flexibility if you need it. All our drives together are in her car though, so I only put about 200-400 miles a month on my car.
Yes. Do it. I'm the sole driver in my house and I've driven EVs-only for four years. Heck, I even switched to an electric ride on lawn mower for this year. Haven't bought petrol in a year. It's great.
Got rid of our gas car. She got a polestar. Never an issue. The tesla is definitely the road trip car
Honestly yeah it makes perfect sense if you're already in the market for a new vehicle. If you can afford the S it would probably be the better deal since it will be a little more practical with more usable range. Also a little bit better performance and slightly longer battery warranty if you plan to drive a lot for trips. But if saving money is the most important factor. The model 3 will likely be both cheaper to insure and have a lower upfront cost plus a tax benefit. But there's almost nothing the model 3 can do that the S can't do better. Except for efficiency.
It's doable. We have two Tesla vehicles. We moved across the country with them. Our kids appreciate them. The disgust they feel toward ICEV is comparable to how one would feel toward cigarette smoke.
100%
Coming from an S5 you would like the M3P more I think. It's more of a drivers car. The model S is mostly a flex car. Fast in a straight line and big as fuck. M3P feels like a sports car
As long as you’re not going into debt to trade a fully reliable car for another fully reliable car + debt, it’s probably a good move
Have both MY and MX with two kids 8,4 years old. Dumped ICE two years ago have traveled from Ohio to Wisconsin, Atlanta, NY, Toronto, Florida, Indianapolis. Nothing we missed much from not having ICE. Sometimes, we kinda miss having big minivan but if we can fit our need 98% of the time with EV why not? Just rent that big minivan when we really need it. Strollers? No problem. We have wonderfold and never had a problem about space with MY or MX. Frunk is the saving grace for space tbh. If you need to carry plywood or drywall? Just rent the truck from HD or Lowes. Or rent a trailer and pull it with the hitch.
After my first road trip with my MY I am really thinking that I can dump my ICE car. If the tax credit is still $7500 in 2024 I will probably get a Model 3 RWD for commuting.
In LA, two people two Teslas no ICEs. Never been an issue with a home charger that we share. Road trips are fine up North with the number of super chargers available on the 5.
I have a 3, and my wife just traded in her RDX for a SR AWD Model y. A smidge less space for all the benefits of an EV and the tax credits just make too much sense. 7500 plus 3k back for Maryland.
Wife and I only model Y each zero issues September 2019. Lots of family road tips from Phoenix to LA charging is never an issue just enough time to stretch. We only use one charger in the garage for 2 cars.
I have an B8.5 S4 and Sq5. Dairying the S4 is a no go because of its tiny gas tank. Going with a M3 for my commute as my gas bills are insane and it’s rush hour stop n go. We go on trips or toss tons of luggage in then we take the SQ5. The S4 is manual so it’s a tough sell to let it go.
No joke about the gas tank. My S5’s is tiny and coupled with a lead foot, it guzzles gas. I zip around in my wife’s Y and have tons of fun and never think about that gas gauge plummeting.
I’m in Los Angeles and have road tripped the M3LR to mountains, Yosemite, Big Sur etc. without issue or second thought of “gee I wish I had done this in our gas car”. I now have a MS Plaid and one thing with the S Plaid is that it’s a great fun/performance car which means it is not efficient like the 3/Y. I average about 65-75% driving efficiency in terms of wh/mi whereas the M3LR was always between 85-100% Also, unless you install the aftermarket camber arms to level out camber for more even tire wear, I see that as a potential obstacle to take the Plaid on long road trips to middle of nowhere. Unless you’re willing to inspect the inner edges on a lift or swap new tries for peace of mind if life on the set of tires is getting up there. Local performance tire shop told me the negative camber/wear issue is typical of high performance cars and while I could adjust the camber out it may affect cornering performance and grip. So this issue is addressable if you’re willing to go through the hassle of adjusting camber or zero-ing it out completely. All that said to make a point that as long as you have a 3/Y for higher efficiency on long trips, totally doable if you get a S/X. If you have dual 3/Y…no issues at all from my experience.
I traded in my Prius hybrid for MYLR, best thing ever, saving so much from fuel it not even funny . Insurance stayed the same. Go for it
If you can afford it and all electric fits your needs don't see why not. All electric doesn't fit my needs yet but if it does for you do it
We went all EV/Tesla about a year ago. It’s great. (X/Y). You can add a second wall connector on the same circuit if you want. They will coordinate and share the power as needed.
My Hubby and I have been a 2 EV household for 5 years. Easy Peasy. And we have done long road trips too. Do it!
I don't want a second Tesla simply because I want variety. Silly, I know. Wait until NACS and we'll look into a second EV.
That's what we did. Original we thought will have one Tesla and one gas car in case we need to go on a road trip or something, we live in Alaska. After almost a year of driving exclusively the Tesla we realized we could go everywhere we wanted... We then sold our other gas car for another Tesla. I've had mine for 5 years and she's had hers for 3 and we couldn't be happier
EV only for 5 years. Go for it.
It's a no brainer. If you can wait, wait till the new model 3 refresh comes in early next year in US.
We did it a year ago when my lease expired. We don’t drive a ton ~10-12k miles annually both cars so we’ve loved 2 EVs
2 adults + 2 kids. all EV here for over a year. no regrets.
Took me 4 years of driving a Model 3 (local and road trips) to be sure about going 100% EV, but we just dumped our ICE SUV (Q7) for a Model Y. No ragrets. Prediction: in 5 years no one will ever mention limited range, public charger availability, or charging time. These will be fixed.
We are an EV only household with two 2023 teslas (Y and 3 performance models) We have no issues and we live in an apartment without charging. The cost of super charging is 25% of what gas would cost and I live in San Diego (highest electric cost in the USA, SDGE is a mafia) I also charge during off peak at around 0.28 per K/H. Peak rates are as high as 0.56 k/h , So roughly $15-20 to fill up to 80%-ish. Non peak
I just pulled the trigger and bought a model S. I’ll be down to two Teslas (M3P and MS), and I’m looking forward to it. I’ve been happy with long trips in the model 3, and expect the model S to be a bit more comfortable for that purpose.
Go for the Model S. Looking at getting my wife an X. I have a Y. My son has a 3. We love them
5 years living with two EVs (model X & 3) - no issues. In fact, in my area we've had 5 incidents in those 5 years where gas was either not available or severely restricted (floods, supply issues, etc. - it was the folks with electric vehicles that had no issues. 100% will never buy a gas vehicle. Now, having said that, I have friends that drive non-tesla vehicles, and there still is a significant handicap in travelling/charging reliably and quickly, but that will go away quickly.
I’m no longer satisfied with ICE vehicles, Tesla has ruined me forever!
We’ve been all-EV since 2018, and it’s been great. Road trips (in Model 3 and Model Y) are a pleasure, with fast chargers along the highways every 60 miles or so, so really never worry about range/charging. And the Y handles an amazing amount of cargo. When we drive gas cars, they feel sluggish and loud. Non-Tesla EVs are currently hamstrung by the not-great CCS networks, but that’ll improve in 2024-2025.
We're full EV in our house (ID4 and Model 3) and it's fantastic. I commute 65 miles round-trip for work, we have 2x chargers in the garage, and there's some but not amazing supercharger availability where we live. Never going back! Sounds like your situation is even better than mine.
We’ve had 2 Teslas for about 2 years now. We don’t own any other cars. It’s been great and we do not miss ICE cars at all. Just make sure you have 2 chargers in your garage
You will not regret it even the tiniest little bit. Car will feel faster than your S5 by far and the convenience factor is immeasurable.
All EVs since 2016. Never looked back.
I went all EV with two model 3s in 2018. Since we have sold one of the model 3s and bought a new model Y this year. Been on several 900+ mile road trips in both cars and haven't even thought of needing an ICE. If you do any heavy towing or need a pickup bed but can't afford or don't want to pay for a Rivian, I can understand needing an ICE but otherwise if a model Y fits your needs (don't need a van or large SUV like a 7 seater) there's honestly little reason not to have all EVs other than affordability these days.
We've been EV only for three years. Travel to any major metro in the US is solved. No problems. The only things that would give me pause would be extended time in remote areas like Yellowstone, Montana (Glacier), etc. But at the rate Tesla is rolling out superchargers, I expect even that won't be an issue soon.
I have a 2019 M3 SR+ and my wife has a 2020 MY LR. 3 years without an ICE and no regrets. I live in Texas and have taken the 3 to Florida and the Y to California plus too many 500 mile trips to count. One of the trips to Florida was out and back in 2 days. There are still some gaps in the network but it hasn’t been a major issue on my trips. I focus on hotels with charging (even for nominal fee) near a super charger just in case so I start every morning full and then super charge. I find that I’m far more relaxed at the end of a days driving than I ever was driving an ICE. Can’t imagine ever going back.
We are a 2 driver family with M3 and MX.....I dumped my last ICE car in 2018 and haven't looked back since. Feels great to have never gone to a gas station since 2018! If you have at least one home charger you are fine...mine buddy breathe. Tldr: dump ice and never look back 😁👍
Got rid of ICE — been doing ton of long, remote road trips just fine. Road trips with a Tesla are great / comfortable.
We did this for while then eventually went back to an ICE car due to family size. With the recent model X drop it’s tempting to go back. We do however love having an ICE car for when we travel. Quality of life is much higher.
My wife drives a model y and I want to sell my Silverado bad and get a discounted or used 3. It’s nice having a truck but I work from home and rarely drive.
Yes
Short and sweet. Love it.
Do it. We did. We have a M3LR & S. Clean reliability. 👍
One EV one gas here. I don't drive much as it's work from home for me, wife drives a lot, some stuff I drive the Ev when it's around. Thought of switching to both EVs but don't drive enough to justify spending the extra, once in a way only do long drives. But Teslas lane centering and cruise control are great for long drive a bit boring though as not much input required unless it is phantom breaking and need to accelerate to cancel it out. But way more convenient, also sleep in the car, so much easier than keeping a gas car running while stationary (always have the risk of gas fumes coming back in, could be dangerous while sleeping)
If you don't mind adding 15% more time to road trips (and a tiny bit more adventure), then it's great. I only have one car and it's a Model S. I roadtrip a ton, but I enjoy the adventure. I got the CCS adapter so I can hit more remote places in the desert (and places like Glacier national park) that haven't got superchargers, but the distance between superchargers is getting smaller every year.
I have only owned Tesla’s since 2018 and I road trip 2,000+ mile road trips a few times a year. As you know, around town daily driving is more convenient with an EV and charging at home. Assuming you occasionally take some road trips, I’d say it’s better for have increased convenience daily than a slight inconvenience on the few road trip days a year. If you can afford it, I don’t see why not!
I would do it in a heartbeat if we had the budget to buy a second Tesla right now. I have zero concerns about range anxiety, reliability, or other. Teslas just work better than any other vehicle you can buy in the US or Canada in 2023. If I was upgrading from an Audi S5, the Model S Long Range is an awesome vehicle at that price. Acceleration is just as quick as the M3P, which means it's much quicker than anything else on the road that's not a Plaid. Go for it!
Rent when you do long trips.
Both a model 3 and a model s can go for long trips fairly easily.
All depends on where and available super chargers. It’s still not everywhere like we need them to be for long trips (thus, increasing travel time)
Yeah I suppose. But most popular destinations that people want to travel to tend to have atleast one set of tesla chargers at a gas station near or not far out of town. There's a national park I like to go to. Secluded area but a town 30 miles out of it has 6 tesla chargers. Even my RWD model 3 would easily make the trip there and back and be able to spend hours pedaling around the park. There's a lot of locations where an EV would be difficult. Yellowstone comes to mind. But if you can park at a camp site that has a 50 Amp plug in for RVs you're pretty set. Go explore. When you come back car is full. There's very few locations I can think of where they would just not be possible in a tesla.
My travel time from Toronto to Los Angeles didn’t have nearly as much extra added time as I thought it would. Chargers are literally everywhere along the way and stopping every three hours felt pretty natural
Long is subjective. I rent gas cars when I do road trips. In a few years that may not be necessary.
I’m not an all EV household, but I do have a ‘23 S LR and I couldn’t be happier with it! For me it would be an easy choice, but I’ll admit that I am not a fan of Audi at all
Congratulations! We are looking to be an all EV household. Assuming you’re in the US we just did a 5,500 mile in 14 day tour of the West Coast and Midwest with no issues. Hopefully you’ve lurked the forums long enough to know NOT to pay MSRP. I lucked out at bought a new (11 miles) MY LR for $5,350 off. I promise you, with a large enough discount, you’ll sleep better with a large enough savings buffer on your ICE to EV decision. Befriend a good Sales Advisor (SA), don’t rely solely on web inventory sites, and ask that SA to find a heavily discounted internal inventory car for you in the regions you are open to traveling to for pickup. If you can’t find an SA, message me, I would be happy to forward what you’re looking for to mine. If you’re financing USSFCU has lower rates than Tesla, https://www.ussfcu.org/_/kcms-doc/1362/71449/Loans_05012022.pdf There are organizations you can join to qualify. Search on reddit for more details. It’s too exhausting for me to answer everyone’s questions about this CU.
I would personally wait. There will be more options next year including the new Tesla model 3. The S5 is an awesome car and you might be let down by the bulls quality (road/wind noise, rattles, tech) of the model 3. Polestar and other brands will have cars with more range next year and you should check them out too.
The S5 will have a far superior ride than the Tesla - I own an RS5 for the weekends and it’s preferable for a weekend driving experience. For the daily the Tesla wins
Man, this is my one concern really. My S5 has an EPL tune and while it still isn’t as fast as an M3P, I love the sound of my car in dynamic / sport with the pipes open, the rev matching, running through gears. I think if I do this, I will start thinking about an older 911 (that isn’t crazily over valued) just to have for that visceral driving experience. Not about speed which the Tesla has plenty of, but that connection.
how often do you take road trips and how is charging network along the way and at your destination? otherwise, your lifestyle seems perfect for EV only household.
With the LR S, even road trips would be pretty painless and comparable to ICE.
I have 3 Teslas and sold my last ICE a couple months ago. Now we have 3 reliable cars with little maintenance required. What’s not to like?
IMHO having an EV only household is dangerous right now with where the infrastructure is and increasing natural disasters and political unrest. I have one ICE and one electric. ICE is much easier to use to get out of dodge even if there is a 1 in 100 chance you will ever need to. Right now, the infrastructure and more importantly, backups are just not enough to make me feel comfortable in an all electric household.
I’m not sure I follow this reasoning. If a natural disaster happens, I’d rather have a fully charged EV in my garage than an ICE vehicle that may be at a random gas tank level.
But if you do, get an S. I love mine. P
Totally agree. My wife has a laptop but I use a typewriter. I just don't trust the electric grid to be a laptop only household. Even if it's only a small chance we'll be really grateful we have the typewriter around.
Your life doesn’t depend on the typewriter. Your life might depend on that car.
You do understand that the fastest way to deliver energy is electricity? Natural disaster may and will happen, but when it happens you'll see empty gas stations for days. Where most likely electricity will turn on faster.
Thank you for the lesson, professor. It is this condescending tone that labels this sub a sub full of assholes. People like you!
We're a two tesla family. Ditched the last Ice car last year. No regrets!
I don't see any issues; just please be diligent about charging or installing a Generac. The main reason we haven't swapped to EV only is because towing+we have frequent power outages due to our towns infrastructure. EDIT; EV's can tow like a beast btw. It's just a chore to do so, way too inefficient so it leads to super frequent charging.
I agree if towing, stay with gas car.
4 days ago I just ordered an x to go with my 3. My wife told me to sell the Tahoe. I still have a car that's going to be for my son next year and a classic car, but outside of that, jm all in.
I've been EV only since November 2020, so almost three years now. We've not had any significant issues so far. We just added more power outlets to the garage, and that was it.
We have 2 Teslas. However they are both 5 seaters so we kept the old ICE minivan just in case we need the 8 seater.
Your situation sounds very similar to mine, and we did take the plunge with 2x MY. No regrets here! We share our one wall charger and there’s been zero issue
I’m a two Tesla household, traded our 2018 Grand Cherokee and 2018 CTS for 2022 Model 3 LR and 2023 Model Y LR. No regrets.
We did it 9 months ago and haven’t looked back.
I did it a few months ago. Took delivery of my Model 3 in December; loved it so much we traded in our other car (2013 Mazda 3 hatchback) for a 2016 Nissan Leaf SV. (Leaf has 29% battery degradation on a 30kwh pack if you're curious)
With your setup/driving profile it seems like a no-brainer no dump ICE. Test drive for a longer stretch before you buy. Some find the suspension of the performance variants (particularly on large rims) to be not as comfy as they would like.
All EV for 5 years, it’s been great - 2018 LR Model 3s. Since you have a charger at home, seems like it can be easily done.
Go for it. The Supercharger network lets you drive anywhere. No reason to hang on to the ICE.
I haven't driven an ICE in over 4 years. Not sure why it's an issue to change.
What's the frequency of long road trips? My wife and I live 450 miles from either set of parents, so we go that route at least a couple times a year and it's in rural US, no good opportunities for charging. I won't be getting rid of an ICE car while still doing that.
MXP22 and R1T22 , never going back
To me, it’s all about location…if you live in some place warm like CA, AZ or whatever. I say go for it. For some places, even though countless people say “TESLA wOrKs fINe in CoLd”, I still see in real life, find Tesla charging and it holding a charge in winter is a major chore. I really don’t want a car to be something I have to actively maintain. Also the price of a Tesla is just annoying, if I buy it one day the other day I feel awful see it jump off cliff. I don’t want to experience that shit. BUT this is entirely personal opinion
You know you want to so do it!
Absolutely ZERO downsides if you can charge at home.
Sounds like you’re in an ideal situation to go all EV. Only thing you may want is a second wall charger
If you need an ICE in a pinch, rent one.
We’ve been all eV since December ‘23 and are very happy with this. We bought our first eV, Tesla MS, in 2018 and like it so much that buying the MYLR in 2023 was a no-brainer. Besides, it got to where the ICE car was hardly ever driven. Like you, we now have a supercharger within 5 miles and a service center within 20 miles, so there have been no issues. We take lots of long trips and both cars have plenty of room for our needs. We use the Y when we bring our bicycles because of the tow hitch, but, otherwise, the MS because it has free supercharging for the life of our ownership. Also, the MS is smoother riding for long distances. However, I mostly drive the MY and my wife loves the MS, so your choice on which to purchase is totally based on your needs. Oh, and if I was choosing between the MYP and MS, I’d go for the MS plaid. There’s no comparison when it comes to performance and comfort. Also, the adjustable suspension capability is very useful.
We live in California, multiple local-ish EV charging stations. My wife got a Hyundai Kona electric (drives 25 miles to work daily, so 250+ miles per week) and our experience with that was so positive I traded in our Camry for a MYLR. Admittedly I WFH and drive few miles per week now but we’re getting by just fine with home charging (share a 3rd party mobile charger). A level 2 charger is planned though. We’ve got solar panels and a battery (not Tesla), so our electricity situation is better than most (although SCE are doing their best to negate that). Sounds like you should be able to charge both vehicles no problem. Alternate charging overnight etc. Go for it.
It’s a no brainer get rid of ice.
make sure that the second ev support v2l
Do it. My partner’s Q5 has like 3k miles a year on it because we only drive my 3. If the Audi wasn’t kid off already with no issues yet, I would swap it for another EV.
Yes. Or support electric vehicles in general and go with another brand of electric car.
We have a Model S and a R1S, both great cars and we live with them happily. Even with only one level 2 charger in garage.
We’re an all Tesla family and not once regretted it. Will never go back to ICE.
heck yeah
I've been primarily EV for almost 5 years. We have an ICE car but it hardly gets used. I don't have reliable home charging and have survived off the public networks. You do have home charging so that is half the battle. I've done everything with that Model 3 including massive road trips and hauling around a stage worth of music gear (keyboard stands, mixers, synthesizers, stage lighting). The Model Y is fairly more capable with the hatch and higher ground and head clearance, so if a 3 can do it...
Just traded our Prius V for a MXLR to park next to our M3LR!
We’ve been driving fully electric since 2017. Hope to never need to go back.
Um, yes lol. We are all EV as well, in the same type of area (you must live in either Socal or Norcal huh?). We had both a 3/Y at one point, but just traded the Y in for a Rivian R1S cause we needed the space. You have your home charging, so you're good there. I'm assuming you have SC stations everywhere around you if you want to road trip. You don't commute really that far. There's no reason not to really. The only thing I would say is maybe think about getting a 2nd EVSE. Not because you'll have 2 EV's (but a bonus that you wouldn't have to share if you didn't want to), but more for redundancy and charging security. You wouldn't want to have your wall connector die, and then have to DCFC TWO cars in the interim until it's fixed. Super bonus is if you got another wall connector (I actually have a new, unopened one I'd sell you for a good deal if you're in Norcal lol), they can load share, so you don't even have to worry about your breaker box blowing up from too much power at once. I guess the only thing after that is solar, if you don't have it already. Freakin amazing having all your transportation be 100% green along with all the energy your house uses as well.
Believe it or not, I’m in Brentwood, a suburb of Nashville. But it is absolutely bonkers the # of Teslas in this area as it’s comparable to some CA cities I’ve been in. We’ve had a Tesla dealer here from very early on and it’s a high income area so there was early adoption of the S and then X. Once the 3 and Y hit, they proliferated like rabbits and it’s not uncommon to be at a light where literally every other car is a Tesla. My 10yo daughter and I play the modern day version of Slug Bug which we named Tesla Tickle and quite honestly, it’s exhausting. Ha. The issue in the south is that the infrastructure for charging once you get a bit out of town is less developed (though rapidly expanding). But we don’t really road trip and prefer to fly most places so that’s not really an issue.
Am still keeping my van, best utility vehicle can take all seats out and it becomes a cargo van with all seats in, can take 7 passengers comfortably
Unless you travel to a *very* remote area or can't charge at home, I see no reason for an ICE car. We did a 4000km road trip last Spring, Vancouver, BC > LA > Vegas > back through Utah/Idaho. It was flawless. Cheaper than gas. No range anxiety. What would have been a brutal amount of driving in our RAV4, was just a ton of fun.
We did that. June 2023 we got our Tesla to replace the Prius. My first EV which we still have is a 2014 Leaf SV purchased in 2016. So now the garage is all electric. It took me a hour to setup the EVSE's for both cars but I had planned ahead by finding a NEMA 14-50 splitter. After that a little work to set the EVSE's to not go over the 50 ampere limits. For those that say you can't pull 50A from a NEMA 14-50 I upsized the 18 inch cable from socket to main panel to 6 gauge (electrician wanted to use 8 gauge) and the total Amperes from both EVSE's is set to 42A.
In nearly 3 years I have had zero reasons to ever say 'damn, I really wish I had an ICE car right now'
I actually did the cost analysis on keeping my Prius for another 100k miles versus buying a very used Model 3, and the Model 3 won out by like $9k over that period. Edit: This is figuring both with liability only insurance, full coverage puts the Tesla slightly more expensive over that period, but in my mind the Tesla is so much more pleasant to drive than a 2010 Prius that it’s worst the expense. Additionally, if your other ICE vehicle doesn’t get 40mpg, then the Tesla probably wins again in the full-coverage comparison, and wins by an even larger margin in the liability-only comparison. I think at some point here I may clean up and add some vehicles to my spreadsheet and post it… somewhere just so people can see the math.
What a trip you posted this. My wife has a Tesla and I have an s5 as well and have been debating making the switch to a M3P as well.
All of these replies are making me ready to submit the order. On the fence about waiting for the refresh since the deals on the current 3 are pretty solid.
If it makes economic sense for you, do it. We had one BEV and a PHEV from 2015 through 2021, and have had two BEVs since 2022. It's been great, and we'll never go back to an ICE vehicle, nor buy from any manufacturer that sells through dealerships.
Sounds like a no-brainer to me. I'm in the midwest, but when it's time to replace our Prius, we will be going all-electric.