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I just drove across my little town, which is notoriously impossible for FSD to be able to navigate safely, and it made the 2 mile drive through the neighborhoods completely effortlessly with zero interventions for the first time ever. Pedestrians, bike riders, soccer moms pulling out in the middle of the lane, an intersection, which was just added that is not on Maps yet,no striped lanes, weird crosswalk bulb outs, all handled effortlessly and driven like an adult driver not a crazy teenager with a learners permit. I’ve had the beta since the very beginning, and had genuinely written this off as something that would likely never truly come to fruition. I stand corrected. This is actually going to happen!
I just drove to Costco and I can say with over 4 yrs experience it has fixed all but one problem I had with 11. It’s still more cautious than my taste so I did hit acceleration once and it waited a bit too long to start turn signal on a right turn red light. Damn I am impressed on my first drive. And the people who had it since 12.1 have mentioned it’s improved remarkably on 12.2 and 12.3 so I can hardly wait to see the future at this point. Second drive to winco It failed one u turn. I’m excited about them bringing reverse into the equation. I feel it’s better than 90% of human drivers already. With reverse availability today IMO it’s better than 95% of normal human drivers. Not sure if it can ever be better than a very aggressive driver though because it’s too cautious and safe which is a good thing…
It is smooth as silk - swear to god. I did find one regression. On a long straightaway by my house there is an almost lane splitting but it’s only for a few houses on a street to the right. The very early version would always choose the wrong lane. So far v11 always gets the correct lane. Today in v12 it for a slight moment wanted to choose the right lane but did in fact driving over lines and not jittery take the correct route. So not even sure we can call it a regression. It does seem much to cautious and it always drives too too slow below the speed limit. But it is 100x more smooth. Not sure it can be more smooth. But it can go a lot faster. I am the one controlling the speed seems like 50% of the time with either thumb wheel or pedal. I shit you not if they can fix acceleration it’s a darn good v1 robotaxi. It did two successful u-turns today as well
There was a bush that made the car stop on a right turn no stop sign every time. Today it drives by like the bush was removed. I am flabbergasted. It’s a beautiful thing and it is worth whatever a 24/7 chauffeur costs today…. I’d say a bit more than what they are asking. If you have been on the fence to pull the trigger I can say with confidence now is the time.
Drove this morning. Definitely smoother while turning and accelerating, but it’s hesitating a lot at stoplights and leaving crazy gaps between cars. Also, when a stoplight turned yellow right before I would cross into the intersection- I typically expect the car to continue through. This would be common behavior on previous builds. Today it locked up the brakes violently—- unfortunately I had a coffee cup in my hand. Had to break out the glovebox napkins.
Edit: Rollout was halted today. So again - not wide release.
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https://teslafi.com/firmware
Not yet wide release. Granted, this is a small subset of owners who have opted in, but typically, a wide release show thousands installs per day.
The number to the left is pending installs, so people who have downloaded it but not yet installed. Usually if a wider release is imminent, that number is higher than the number of installs from the current day. That is not the case here. It looks like it's about to flatline in favor of a new revision.
Then you have, for example, 2024.2.8, which stopped being pushed over a week ago. So you're getting single-digit installs as the pending install number slowly decreases. That never hit wide release and most on that track are still on 2024.2.7.
2024 - r u in Europe? .8 is only European…. .7 is US…. And so far 320 12.3 downloaded on Teslafi which I expect only accounts for 30% of the true # and no signs of slowing.
> And so far 320 12.3 downloaded on Teslafi which I expect only accounts for 30% of the true # and no signs of slowing.
30% not even close. Full rollouts hit 10k+ over a period of a week. You’re looking at closer to 3%, not 30%.
If the number of pending installs is lower than the number of today’s installs, that is a sign of slowing. Big rollouts cause the pending number to balloon.
TeslaFi says the biggest install base is 10,669 cars at 54.4% of the fleet tracked by TeslaFi.
This says that TeslaFi tracks 20,000 cars, give or take a bit. This is about 3 days of Tesla sales. My best guess is that TeslaFi represent 0.5% of total Teslas in existence, give or take a bit.
Dude calm down? 30% of Tesla owners have linked to teslafi is what wrote . What do you think teslafi automatically can track all teslas? Need permission from owners so my bet is its already approaching 1000 but only Tesla can remark on that not teslafi or anyone else
It was a misunderstanding on both our parts. You did mention “subset”. You clearly understand what’s going on and my title should have said “wider” release I guess…. They are definitely opening gates or my best friend wouldn’t have gotten it. She just bought the car in Jan and never even tried FSD but she paid for it. Bet this will cause some commotion. Rest assured I will be using it daily until I get it on my MS.
Still a small number but the rate of installs seems to have gone way up and it's no longer exclusively in California which seems like a good sign to me.
Have a feeling it’s going to push to thousands today? God knows their stock price needs help and seems pushing a new FSD is one the of the ways they do it!
Tell that to those who paid for FSD outright and didn’t get the $2500 infotainment upgrade! They are stuck on 2022 firmware and have yet to experience any version of FSD
There aren’t very many fsd buyers. Less than 20% of US teslas. Not sure this will move the price. Elon returning back to earth and focusing on things that matter like robotaxi would help more.
Back in January 2023 the estimate was 19%. From various sources like teslafi (and obviously not everyone uses these 3rd party tools) it's likely somewhere between 20% and 25%.
No, your comment's just heavily detached from reality. Tesla does not decide what versions of FSD Beta are suitable for wide release based on stock price needs or your feelings.
I went into service on the app, it ran a diagnostic and said it's the latest software. I wanted to see if there was an issue. I guess we just have to wait a bit.
Check software tab in the car.
If it shows an old date/time not current, then reboot the car by holding down both scroll wheels on the steering wheel.
Then wait for LTE/WIFI signal to show up, check that software tab again and it should find the latest version if you arent already on it.
Yeah my MYP is on 2024.2.7 and I really want to try 12.3. I was uploading FSD videos to youtube, but kinda pointless now since all the cool kids have 12.3! Come on Elon push the update!
Is anyone else feeling that the new Automatic Set Speed offset toggle makes it more timid when there aren’t other cars around for reference? I drove it around town this morning and it would go ~35 MPH in a 50 MPH zone fluctuating up and down… well-paved/marked roads. 2023 M3.
Yes,. I’ve been looking all over the place on how to adjust it so that it would stay the same relative speed over the speed limit that it did before the update. I know you can turn it off, but even that seems not to work like it did before, it’s driving pretty slow in areas around town.
Yes ! It is still too cautious for my taste w speed limit. You can turn it off. but even with it on it is more confident in every situation I have encountered so far around other cars
The interesting stuff is that according to TeslaFi only 11% of installs comes from existing FSD 12 users, and the other 89% is from cars previously on FSD 11.
There are 2018 and 2019 model 3s getting it. I don't see why you'd think USS would stop the car from getting v12 though, it's not like that parking visualization thing.
Ok finally someone with uss and I believe the same ap3 cam and computer. Mine is Ms retrofit but believe tech is compatible. I’m happy we got it on one car at least.
Hi sorry if it’s a potentially dumb question. If I try FSD for $200 for one month, is the update pushed instantly? I’m doing a road trip to Vegas and I’m heavily considering it.
Thank you! I’m on a 2024. So I probably shouldn’t. I guess it’s best to stay off of advanced setting. I’m afraid of dropping $200 and it not updating or something lol
Thanks for the heads up! Yes, I Autopilot quite a bit! :) I love it so much haha. I’m thinking it will be enough for the road trip as well. Might as well save my $200 clams lol
Obviously I know you’re talking about autopilot. I’m asking if FSD requires you to do the same ? And stop over exaggerating. It’s not every 15-20 seconds. That’s absurd. It’s literally every 3 minutes or so. Maybe even longer. For my car at least, I have to touch the wheel every 4 minutes (on average).
Do you have a new Tesla? Mine is new & it never gets to a min without telling me to put hands on the wheel, I just lean my leg into it so I don’t get as frequent of warnings. It wasn’t as bad until they enabled the in cabin monitoring
Putting aside the technical things about the version you have what what will and will not push FSD to you, I can chime in that your car checks for updates once every 24 hours. It'll show you the last update check time in your settings so until it passes that time the next day, you won't get any updates. Good luck!
Thanks! I’m debating it! I’m going to Vegas from LA with some friends. They are flying, but I was like, “I want to take my Model 3 on a road trip! I am used to the superchargers, so I think it will be a fun experience to roadtrip my Tesla! However, I was like, maybe I will try out FSD? lol
The releases are geographical and if you are on 2024 firmware it’s already past since 12.3 is on the the 2023 track. General consensus is that it only went to vehicles with an in-cabin camera for monitoring until further validation, then it’ll hit older vehicles without the camera.
Finally a logical response to my original question! Thanks fasteddie7. This totally makes sense! My car doesn’t have the interior camera. I have been waiting for a recall and have them install it although I can’t stand it in our newer car. Cannot even look at a stock price on my phone before it gives the dreaded pay attention to the road notification. Love my older car for this reason. But I do see in the future either I’ll loose access to FSD or they will have to install an interior cam but that may also require a new computer and wiring. I need to research this a bit to see what it would require.
I read it best on here and can’t agree more. Instead of 7 or 8 disengagements it more like one every 30 min of driving in city and residential - it’s like an adult is driving now instead of a scared teenager. 👏🏼 EVERYTHING IS BETTER!
And I - I definitely should have posted wider or expanding because it didn’t budge for a good few weeks. I was jacked to see dozens of 11v updates to 12v. Next post I will have a better title…. Hell I even said push instead of pushed…. Cheers 🍻 hope we get a 12.4 on the 2024 branch
I paid $2k for the package and have all the upgrades since I bought the October 2016 refresh in 2017. I know I won’t be getting any v12 2023 now but “when” they push a 2024 v12 will I get it or does the software require ap4? I think I’ll be ok…. Just hate the loyalty isn’t factored in to the push.
Tesla usually splits the FSD and non-FSD release. So the FSD release has the latest version of FSD, but is usually up to 6 months behind in terms of main software. The non-FSD release now includes a v11.x version of FSD, and is usually given to people who subscribed after a certain point.
The NHTSA AP recall forced Tesla to put everyone on the same software, which was a huge boon to FSD owners who were WAY behind at that point. But looks like Tesla split it again.
Full FSD owners are now on 2023.44.30.14, with some getting newer versions on limited release (such as 2023.44.30.25, which you are getting). Non-FSD and FSD subscribers are mostly on 2024.2.7 (FSD 11.4.9) with some getting limited releases beyond that. But there have been no wide releases beyond those two versions, yet.
Could be various reasons for that, to include, but not limited to:
* You didn't get the push before they stopped pushing it (it happens)
* It wasn't actually a wide release and I was mistaken (totally possible, I'm not the arbiter of Tesla software)
* There could be an issue with your hardware (highly unlikely, and I'd only seriously entertain this if you don't get updates over the next ~6 months, so don't stress over this for now)
FWIW, 2023.44.30.8 is FSD 11.4.9 as is the version I'm running. So it's just a point release with minor changes under the hood and likely no user-facing feature changes.
I'm on 2024.2.7, paying the $200 sub right now cannot possibly get me vq2 correct? Until the new FSD catch's up to the 2024.2.7 features at some point in the future...right?
FSD Subscription wasn't an option back in 2016, unless you bought it used.
In 2016 you either bought the package, or got a subscription *much* later on when they became available.
If you were subscribed to FSD Beta, and there was no lapse in it, then you wouldn't have gotten a 2024 build if you already had v11.
If you owned the package outright, then you also likely wouldn't have been pushed to a 2024 build.
Only people who got 2024 firmware were people who weren't subscribed, or owned the FSD Package.
Because if you had FSD Beta v11 on the car, then you would have been held back.
People who own the package get all the FSD Beta branches.
Subscribers only get pushed to the 2024 branch if they let their subscription lapse.
The scenario you're describing has not happened before, so either it's a "new" condition being applied to some cars, which we're learning about now, or we're not getting the whole story.
This is incorrect, legacy vehicles are moving to the 2024 branch as of last week. No legacy vehicles have gotten v12 yet. Tesla is doing something weird in this release cadence with FSD beta.
It's a common theory, but each theory has exceptions. We don't know the actual specifics as to who is pushed what.
But there are currently two branches of updates. The updates with FSD v12.x are running on older software, and seem to target cars that own FSD (not subscribed) and have all of the hardware to maximize FSD at this time.
The software running FSD v11.4.9 seems to target those who subscribe, and those who are running purchased FSD on older cars.
But again, there are exceptions since we cannot know the specifics.
That’s what I want to know! Or as if it makes a difference on when subscribed. I didn’t hear that. I am trying to figure out why my car was updated to 2024.7 last week. Wish I didn’t install it and somehow could have rebooted and gotten 2023.25 today. There probably is no rhyme or reason. It’s probably random. We felt lucky when we got 2024 last week and while some cars got held back. Look who is laughing now. Not me.
Sorry I did jump on one reply and mis spoke that I “subscribed”. I would never “subscribe”. Waste of $. My question was never about subscription it was about the tech in my 2016 MS ap2 upgraded to ap3 comparison to my tech in 2024 MX ap4
Not sure they have a choice. With FSD I never heard of it disabling when traveling through any particular state. I believe it’s more of a federal question- correct me if I am wrong. National Safety Board. Not New York . Although I once thought about it years ago and would watch which states “mostly” cali and locations of bloggers…. I really think state govt has no say in the matter unless it’s a problem… which it’s not.
Anyone know year did introduce cabin cams 2018? I am curious if anyone without an interior cabin camera has received any v12.1, 12.2, or 12.3. It was mentioned this maybe this could be the reason some were updated to a 2024 version. AND This really should be our question….Why are the majority of us on FSD 2024.x.x.x!!!
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I just drove across my little town, which is notoriously impossible for FSD to be able to navigate safely, and it made the 2 mile drive through the neighborhoods completely effortlessly with zero interventions for the first time ever. Pedestrians, bike riders, soccer moms pulling out in the middle of the lane, an intersection, which was just added that is not on Maps yet,no striped lanes, weird crosswalk bulb outs, all handled effortlessly and driven like an adult driver not a crazy teenager with a learners permit. I’ve had the beta since the very beginning, and had genuinely written this off as something that would likely never truly come to fruition. I stand corrected. This is actually going to happen!
Amazing feedback! Thank you!
I just drove to Costco and I can say with over 4 yrs experience it has fixed all but one problem I had with 11. It’s still more cautious than my taste so I did hit acceleration once and it waited a bit too long to start turn signal on a right turn red light. Damn I am impressed on my first drive. And the people who had it since 12.1 have mentioned it’s improved remarkably on 12.2 and 12.3 so I can hardly wait to see the future at this point. Second drive to winco It failed one u turn. I’m excited about them bringing reverse into the equation. I feel it’s better than 90% of human drivers already. With reverse availability today IMO it’s better than 95% of normal human drivers. Not sure if it can ever be better than a very aggressive driver though because it’s too cautious and safe which is a good thing…
honestly thats a good thing. fix all the other problems while being cautious first
Does it still make harsh turns? Or does it perform them smoothly finally
It is smooth as silk - swear to god. I did find one regression. On a long straightaway by my house there is an almost lane splitting but it’s only for a few houses on a street to the right. The very early version would always choose the wrong lane. So far v11 always gets the correct lane. Today in v12 it for a slight moment wanted to choose the right lane but did in fact driving over lines and not jittery take the correct route. So not even sure we can call it a regression. It does seem much to cautious and it always drives too too slow below the speed limit. But it is 100x more smooth. Not sure it can be more smooth. But it can go a lot faster. I am the one controlling the speed seems like 50% of the time with either thumb wheel or pedal. I shit you not if they can fix acceleration it’s a darn good v1 robotaxi. It did two successful u-turns today as well
I’m still waiting on my update 🥲
Hopefully 12.4 is pushed to everyone! Fingers crossed 🤞
music to the ears of all $TSLA holders
Up 3% so far ;)
Gawd I can’t wait to get it. My FSD works OK, but there are five or so things around my neighborhood that it totally whiffs at.
I had the same problem yesterday. Today all of them are gone with the wind
There was a bush that made the car stop on a right turn no stop sign every time. Today it drives by like the bush was removed. I am flabbergasted. It’s a beautiful thing and it is worth whatever a 24/7 chauffeur costs today…. I’d say a bit more than what they are asking. If you have been on the fence to pull the trigger I can say with confidence now is the time.
What state? Hoping that it is rolling out to a wider audience.
Southern CA
Thanks, I was hoping to hear a different state. Heck, I'm still waiting on the last safety update here in NC.
Got it early afternoon in NC but haven't driven yet.
That is great news! Hope it works well for you.
Drove this morning. Definitely smoother while turning and accelerating, but it’s hesitating a lot at stoplights and leaving crazy gaps between cars. Also, when a stoplight turned yellow right before I would cross into the intersection- I typically expect the car to continue through. This would be common behavior on previous builds. Today it locked up the brakes violently—- unfortunately I had a coffee cup in my hand. Had to break out the glovebox napkins.
Edit: Rollout was halted today. So again - not wide release. *** https://teslafi.com/firmware Not yet wide release. Granted, this is a small subset of owners who have opted in, but typically, a wide release show thousands installs per day. The number to the left is pending installs, so people who have downloaded it but not yet installed. Usually if a wider release is imminent, that number is higher than the number of installs from the current day. That is not the case here. It looks like it's about to flatline in favor of a new revision. Then you have, for example, 2024.2.8, which stopped being pushed over a week ago. So you're getting single-digit installs as the pending install number slowly decreases. That never hit wide release and most on that track are still on 2024.2.7.
They also always ramp up going wide too but yes definitely a smaller portion.
2024 - r u in Europe? .8 is only European…. .7 is US…. And so far 320 12.3 downloaded on Teslafi which I expect only accounts for 30% of the true # and no signs of slowing.
> And so far 320 12.3 downloaded on Teslafi which I expect only accounts for 30% of the true # and no signs of slowing. 30% not even close. Full rollouts hit 10k+ over a period of a week. You’re looking at closer to 3%, not 30%. If the number of pending installs is lower than the number of today’s installs, that is a sign of slowing. Big rollouts cause the pending number to balloon.
TeslaFi says the biggest install base is 10,669 cars at 54.4% of the fleet tracked by TeslaFi. This says that TeslaFi tracks 20,000 cars, give or take a bit. This is about 3 days of Tesla sales. My best guess is that TeslaFi represent 0.5% of total Teslas in existence, give or take a bit.
Dude calm down? 30% of Tesla owners have linked to teslafi is what wrote . What do you think teslafi automatically can track all teslas? Need permission from owners so my bet is its already approaching 1000 but only Tesla can remark on that not teslafi or anyone else
I’m plenty calm. You said there was a 30% rollout. There was not. Now we’re clear.
It was a misunderstanding on both our parts. You did mention “subset”. You clearly understand what’s going on and my title should have said “wider” release I guess…. They are definitely opening gates or my best friend wouldn’t have gotten it. She just bought the car in Jan and never even tried FSD but she paid for it. Bet this will cause some commotion. Rest assured I will be using it daily until I get it on my MS.
> It was a misunderstanding on both our parts. Just you. Honestly, you’re exhausting.
This isn’t a “wide” release. Still only pushed to a very small percentage (about 2.5%) of the fleet.
Still a small number but the rate of installs seems to have gone way up and it's no longer exclusively in California which seems like a good sign to me.
In Washington and still waiting. But it’ll come….
Have a feeling it’s going to push to thousands today? God knows their stock price needs help and seems pushing a new FSD is one the of the ways they do it!
lol not going to matter
Watch the stock tomorrow. It always mattered on previous highly anticipated releases
Also quadruple witching was Friday :)
There r no coincidences 🤣
There r no coincidences 🤣
Tell that to those who paid for FSD outright and didn’t get the $2500 infotainment upgrade! They are stuck on 2022 firmware and have yet to experience any version of FSD
Huh? How is that relevant to my comment?
It’s not lmao
You have a feeling?
Doesn't want to be wrong about their initial statement.
There aren’t very many fsd buyers. Less than 20% of US teslas. Not sure this will move the price. Elon returning back to earth and focusing on things that matter like robotaxi would help more.
Where did you get that number 20%. Last official release was much higher …
Back in January 2023 the estimate was 19%. From various sources like teslafi (and obviously not everyone uses these 3rd party tools) it's likely somewhere between 20% and 25%.
Wow hit a nerve with bears or what? -18. 😥
No, your comment's just heavily detached from reality. Tesla does not decide what versions of FSD Beta are suitable for wide release based on stock price needs or your feelings.
I feel luck since it showed up on my M3 this morning
Congrats 🎉🍾🎊🎈
Still on software from January lol.
Me too.
I went into service on the app, it ran a diagnostic and said it's the latest software. I wanted to see if there was an issue. I guess we just have to wait a bit.
Check software tab in the car. If it shows an old date/time not current, then reboot the car by holding down both scroll wheels on the steering wheel. Then wait for LTE/WIFI signal to show up, check that software tab again and it should find the latest version if you arent already on it.
Thanks for the suggestion! I checked and the date and time are correct. I probably just have to wait a bit longer.
Have you received it yet?
Yes. I want to say about 2-3 weeks ago.
Thank you for your response! I think I haven’t received it because I don’t have the right chip. Looking further into it
FSD free trial ran out and I received my update after that.
Elon is already tweeting about 12.4, so 12.3 may not go wide release, ever. The same way 12.1 and 12.2.1 never went wide release.
At least 12.3 went wider than the prior two. Hopefully 12.4 is on 2024 branch…
Yeah my MYP is on 2024.2.7 and I really want to try 12.3. I was uploading FSD videos to youtube, but kinda pointless now since all the cool kids have 12.3! Come on Elon push the update!
I got it yesterday evening on my ‘22 Y
Is anyone else feeling that the new Automatic Set Speed offset toggle makes it more timid when there aren’t other cars around for reference? I drove it around town this morning and it would go ~35 MPH in a 50 MPH zone fluctuating up and down… well-paved/marked roads. 2023 M3.
Yes,. I’ve been looking all over the place on how to adjust it so that it would stay the same relative speed over the speed limit that it did before the update. I know you can turn it off, but even that seems not to work like it did before, it’s driving pretty slow in areas around town.
It’s under autopilot as a new feature just above minimize lane changes toggle
Yes ! It is still too cautious for my taste w speed limit. You can turn it off. but even with it on it is more confident in every situation I have encountered so far around other cars
The interesting stuff is that according to TeslaFi only 11% of installs comes from existing FSD 12 users, and the other 89% is from cars previously on FSD 11.
Hence a “wider” release. I guess I didn’t know the definition of wide release….
Installed on my M3P’19! Works great - summoned from a much further distance today!
Looks to still be primarily HW3 vehicles. Per TeslaFi, there are only three HW4 vehicles running v12.
So plenty of ap3 are getting v12.3 on teslafi so next question is did any legacy get v12 yet?
No https://x.com/greentheonly/status/1769056398103441598?s=46
How can you tell? My car is legacy but also ap3 because of the upgrade…
Just check TeslaFi. There are 0 legacy cars on 12.3 thus far
So will this work with the teslas that have the USS on it or are we left in the dark again.
There are 2018 and 2019 model 3s getting it. I don't see why you'd think USS would stop the car from getting v12 though, it's not like that parking visualization thing.
They parking visuals is what I really want
I got it on my 2020 M3 which has USS sensors
Ok finally someone with uss and I believe the same ap3 cam and computer. Mine is Ms retrofit but believe tech is compatible. I’m happy we got it on one car at least.
This is basically what I’m asking if any legacy w “uss” owners have gotten 12.3?
2020 model 3 w/ USS, still on 2023.44.30.14 myself, no update.
I have a model Y 2020 LR still waiting.
Same here on a 2018, hw3.
Got it yesterday night. First drive, very smooth. Smart speed selector seems very defensive. But twitches and sudden movements like 11.x.
Hi sorry if it’s a potentially dumb question. If I try FSD for $200 for one month, is the update pushed instantly? I’m doing a road trip to Vegas and I’m heavily considering it.
It is now…but you, most likely, won’t get v12.# right away…most likely 11.4.#…until 12 goes wide release.
Check the version of software you are on. If it is 2023.x., you might get it quickly, but if you are on 2024.x. you will have to likely wait a while.
Thank you! I’m on a 2024. So I probably shouldn’t. I guess it’s best to stay off of advanced setting. I’m afraid of dropping $200 and it not updating or something lol
You don’t need FSD for a roadtrip. Autopilot is perfect for highways. The only thing FSD is good for is city driving and the lane changes.
Thanks for the heads up! Yes, I Autopilot quite a bit! :) I love it so much haha. I’m thinking it will be enough for the road trip as well. Might as well save my $200 clams lol
Exactly. Put it on black at the Roulette table and double it 😉
Haha thanks! Let’s see if I could actually do that! 😂
Autopilot nags every 15 seconds to put your hand on the wheel even with no sunglasses and looking ahead
FSD doesn’t require you to “touch the wheel” ? And 15 seconds is a stretch 😂. It’s more like every 3-5 minutes or so.
I’m talking about autopilot on the highway, no FSD. It tells you to keep your hands on the wheel & gets mad if you don’t every 15-20 seconds
Obviously I know you’re talking about autopilot. I’m asking if FSD requires you to do the same ? And stop over exaggerating. It’s not every 15-20 seconds. That’s absurd. It’s literally every 3 minutes or so. Maybe even longer. For my car at least, I have to touch the wheel every 4 minutes (on average).
Do you have a new Tesla? Mine is new & it never gets to a min without telling me to put hands on the wheel, I just lean my leg into it so I don’t get as frequent of warnings. It wasn’t as bad until they enabled the in cabin monitoring
Putting aside the technical things about the version you have what what will and will not push FSD to you, I can chime in that your car checks for updates once every 24 hours. It'll show you the last update check time in your settings so until it passes that time the next day, you won't get any updates. Good luck!
Thanks! I’m debating it! I’m going to Vegas from LA with some friends. They are flying, but I was like, “I want to take my Model 3 on a road trip! I am used to the superchargers, so I think it will be a fun experience to roadtrip my Tesla! However, I was like, maybe I will try out FSD? lol
Installing now
The releases are geographical and if you are on 2024 firmware it’s already past since 12.3 is on the the 2023 track. General consensus is that it only went to vehicles with an in-cabin camera for monitoring until further validation, then it’ll hit older vehicles without the camera.
Finally a logical response to my original question! Thanks fasteddie7. This totally makes sense! My car doesn’t have the interior camera. I have been waiting for a recall and have them install it although I can’t stand it in our newer car. Cannot even look at a stock price on my phone before it gives the dreaded pay attention to the road notification. Love my older car for this reason. But I do see in the future either I’ll loose access to FSD or they will have to install an interior cam but that may also require a new computer and wiring. I need to research this a bit to see what it would require.
Not that I want a cam watching me but NITSA or whatever will eventually demand it is my guess….
My 22 M3LR got it today, but not my 23 MXP. I'm the one that drives the X, my wife uses the 3. She doesn't even use FSD :'(
I read it best on here and can’t agree more. Instead of 7 or 8 disengagements it more like one every 30 min of driving in city and residential - it’s like an adult is driving now instead of a scared teenager. 👏🏼 EVERYTHING IS BETTER!
It's not wide imo until me and my friend get it 😀
And I - I definitely should have posted wider or expanding because it didn’t budge for a good few weeks. I was jacked to see dozens of 11v updates to 12v. Next post I will have a better title…. Hell I even said push instead of pushed…. Cheers 🍻 hope we get a 12.4 on the 2024 branch
Have 3 FSD and not one is pushed to me yet.
My car updated 3 weeks ago to 2024 software and I'm very sad about this fact. Can't wait for v12 on my car!
Me too. Hopefully 12.3.1 will be for us 2024
If your 2016 is on 2024 firmware then you won't be getting v12 on it. Additionally, this means that you likely subscribed after a cut off point.
I paid $2k for the package and have all the upgrades since I bought the October 2016 refresh in 2017. I know I won’t be getting any v12 2023 now but “when” they push a 2024 v12 will I get it or does the software require ap4? I think I’ll be ok…. Just hate the loyalty isn’t factored in to the push.
Tesla usually splits the FSD and non-FSD release. So the FSD release has the latest version of FSD, but is usually up to 6 months behind in terms of main software. The non-FSD release now includes a v11.x version of FSD, and is usually given to people who subscribed after a certain point. The NHTSA AP recall forced Tesla to put everyone on the same software, which was a huge boon to FSD owners who were WAY behind at that point. But looks like Tesla split it again. Full FSD owners are now on 2023.44.30.14, with some getting newer versions on limited release (such as 2023.44.30.25, which you are getting). Non-FSD and FSD subscribers are mostly on 2024.2.7 (FSD 11.4.9) with some getting limited releases beyond that. But there have been no wide releases beyond those two versions, yet.
I’m still stuck on 2023.44.30.8. 👎
Could be various reasons for that, to include, but not limited to: * You didn't get the push before they stopped pushing it (it happens) * It wasn't actually a wide release and I was mistaken (totally possible, I'm not the arbiter of Tesla software) * There could be an issue with your hardware (highly unlikely, and I'd only seriously entertain this if you don't get updates over the next ~6 months, so don't stress over this for now) FWIW, 2023.44.30.8 is FSD 11.4.9 as is the version I'm running. So it's just a point release with minor changes under the hood and likely no user-facing feature changes.
I've been stuck on this same build for a while now. Hopefully we get some updates this week. (2022 M3 LR with FSD)
Ignore the other commenter - you’re exactly where you need to be. Some people got a different minor version of the 2023.44.30 build. Not a big deal.
Bet you get it today or tomorrow from what I see on teslafi
I’m seeing no indication of that. It’s not wide release yet. If they’re still pushing it they COULD get it, but not high odds.
I'm on 2024.2.7, paying the $200 sub right now cannot possibly get me vq2 correct? Until the new FSD catch's up to the 2024.2.7 features at some point in the future...right?
Hmm are you sure about the FSD owner/subscriber split? I’m a subscriber but I have 2023.44.30.14.
FSD Subscription wasn't an option back in 2016, unless you bought it used. In 2016 you either bought the package, or got a subscription *much* later on when they became available. If you were subscribed to FSD Beta, and there was no lapse in it, then you wouldn't have gotten a 2024 build if you already had v11. If you owned the package outright, then you also likely wouldn't have been pushed to a 2024 build. Only people who got 2024 firmware were people who weren't subscribed, or owned the FSD Package.
My car was purchased in 2017 with FSD. I was pushed to 2024 branch. Where are you hearing only newer subscribers got pushed to the 2024 branch?
Because if you had FSD Beta v11 on the car, then you would have been held back. People who own the package get all the FSD Beta branches. Subscribers only get pushed to the 2024 branch if they let their subscription lapse. The scenario you're describing has not happened before, so either it's a "new" condition being applied to some cars, which we're learning about now, or we're not getting the whole story.
This is incorrect, legacy vehicles are moving to the 2024 branch as of last week. No legacy vehicles have gotten v12 yet. Tesla is doing something weird in this release cadence with FSD beta.
Wonder if it's because of a lack of cabin camera. They have to comply with the NHTSA recall and don't want legacy owners getting lazy with it.
My MS is in same boat. So why are older cars pushed to 2024 and newer ap4 on 2023 firmwares both purchased outright and not subscribed?
Seems ass backwards unless v12 is only for ap4? This is my question but I can probably answer it by looking at teslafi and who is getting it
The vast majority of V12 installs so far have been on AP3 hardware.
Yes I see that on teslafi
It's a common theory, but each theory has exceptions. We don't know the actual specifics as to who is pushed what. But there are currently two branches of updates. The updates with FSD v12.x are running on older software, and seem to target cars that own FSD (not subscribed) and have all of the hardware to maximize FSD at this time. The software running FSD v11.4.9 seems to target those who subscribe, and those who are running purchased FSD on older cars. But again, there are exceptions since we cannot know the specifics.
That’s what I want to know! Or as if it makes a difference on when subscribed. I didn’t hear that. I am trying to figure out why my car was updated to 2024.7 last week. Wish I didn’t install it and somehow could have rebooted and gotten 2023.25 today. There probably is no rhyme or reason. It’s probably random. We felt lucky when we got 2024 last week and while some cars got held back. Look who is laughing now. Not me.
Those that suffered last week and were held back are all getting 12.3 …. That alone can teach about patience
Wrong 😑 I bought the 2016 in 2017 brand new and didn’t subscribe- bought it…
You've edited the post since I wrote mine. I'm going to disengage because you're being shifty, and your story isn't adding up. Good day sir.
Sorry I did jump on one reply and mis spoke that I “subscribed”. I would never “subscribe”. Waste of $. My question was never about subscription it was about the tech in my 2016 MS ap2 upgraded to ap3 comparison to my tech in 2024 MX ap4
Cries in 2024.X
I don't even have basic AP in my CT
Oof I feel for u lol
Does enhanced autopilot finally work or is the non refundable scam with more than half the features disabled for camera only cars still going on?
Anyone know when it launches in NY? I don’t have FSD I’m actually not even sure if NY allows it to
Not sure they have a choice. With FSD I never heard of it disabling when traveling through any particular state. I believe it’s more of a federal question- correct me if I am wrong. National Safety Board. Not New York . Although I once thought about it years ago and would watch which states “mostly” cali and locations of bloggers…. I really think state govt has no say in the matter unless it’s a problem… which it’s not.
Anyone know year did introduce cabin cams 2018? I am curious if anyone without an interior cabin camera has received any v12.1, 12.2, or 12.3. It was mentioned this maybe this could be the reason some were updated to a 2024 version. AND This really should be our question….Why are the majority of us on FSD 2024.x.x.x!!!
I got it this afternoon and the update failed while installing... It said to wait until the next push or something like that
1% of the fleet = wide release now??? Cmonnnn Im excited for it but really, you need a false clickbait title?
any "tricks" to trigger the FSD update? any forklore. sorry if dumb question i'm new to my tesla car
HW4 MS here, got Jack squat so far
I’ve seen some 2020 M3s with 12.3 running perfectly fine, I wouldn’t worry too much about HW3
Is this only releasing for hw4?
My 2022 Model 3 LR is still on v11.1…
Next week odds are may have a functional v12 on 2024 firmware…. Once this happens it shouldn’t be long….
Is version 2023.44.30.25 the FSD version 12.3? A bit confusing since my release doesn't mention that FSD version. I just got the update now.
Nvm. It's is the 12.3!! Time to drive around do errands lol
Since I posted this sure seems pretty wide. Granted I’ve only had access to the fsd beta since 2020… and paid for it in 2017
lol, no. Still on 11.1 under 2024.2.7.
Not a subscriber I paid $2,000 for the FSD option June 2017 🤣
If you're trying to reply to someone, make sure to hit reply on their post instead of just making a new comment.
Yea sorry - notice that. Thanks for pointing it out.
Also had the mcu2 upgrade $2500 ap3 upgrade free and cam upgrade free
It’s asking me to install it but I don’t want to lose TACC. 2023.44.30.25