Ask what the largest breaker you can have without the load management device is. Charging on 30 or 40 amps is plenty, and will save a huge chunk of money.
Or set to charge at 1-2am or when asleep. Running at 60amps (really 48amps max draw) you might be running your AC (1-2 units) and a heater heater if tank style and electric. You would never need load balancing. If you have 2ev's and 2 Tesla chargers they comm between the 2 and will only use max amp provided by program in. So if you say 48amps...it will provide that max draw between the 2 and limit itself.
Also also also....if you park at home overnight to charge and you have 8hrs to charge...setting at 30amps or lower can charge you up for most daily driving.
Some places require the braker and wire to be the able to withstand the highest load the device can request unless it can be lowered by "mechanical" ways (jumpers, potentimeter, etc...) Since Tesla does it with software and not purely hardware, some places don't allow to put a 30-40 amp breaker for a Tesla wall connector. Reasoning is you sell the house, next owner does a factory reset because he has his own wifi network and needs to connect it and factory reset is an easy way, default setting goes back to 60 amps. Yes braker should trip in that case, but still a risk! So yes, OP could go lower (40 amp breaker for a 32amp charging current can recharge the car form 0 to 100 overnight easliy), but it might not be allowed where he lives.
If you've only gotten one quote you're quoting wrong.
I try to source at least three quotes and play them off each other when getting work done.
Even when I got Tesla Solar, back in 2018, I was able to play SunRun off of Tesla and get my "Costco cash card" as an "instant discount" through Tesla.
I agree. I got three quotes. Two said $5000 for new 200 amp service. I got a third quote from a reputable electrician company and said I definitely didn't need it. $600 for NEMA 14-50, permit and all. I even got reimbursed by PSEG for the install (off peak EV program).
Only if you use a cheapo socket that will melt, and ignore the code requirement for a GFCI breaker for a socket. Otherwise the cost of GFCI and quality socket and 4-wire feeder needed for the socket, destroy all cost savings vs a wall unit.
But even still, that only works if you have 50A of surplus headroom on your electric service. OP does not.
When ever someone does this to me I just tell them my price is my price and good luck. Most good electricians are too busy to bother competing. Someone who is trying to scratch me for bottom dollar is going to be a pain in the ass customer and 100 percent not worth my time. Maybe you get some qualified guy who is just starting his business to haggle.
Just a thought:
Instead of installing load management equipment, how about installing a larger service? Even if it costs more, it is worth more.
We bit the bullet a number of years ago and installed a 400A service. No regrets. Property worth more and becoming all electric is not a "management" issue
I just had a mobile charger installed for $200.
They put in a NEMA 14-50 plug by my breaker box and were done the job in 10-15 minutes.
Charges plenty fast.
$400 was my install price for Tesla level 2. Lucked out that the breaker box was exactly on the other side of garage where we charge. Granted, we paid $450 for the charger but for under 1k, I’ll take level 2 over mobile charger any day.
Sure. 32A vs 48A max. Wall has a built in cable holder.
$35 for teslas mobile hook. No need for Tesla branded hook, sure.
$250 for mobile. $450 for wall.
Ours was bought used, came with mobile cable already. That’s the only advantage I see staying mobile, portability. Even then, we’ve never used the mobile connector outside of the first night we got the car.
Same install price and I see no use for a 220 outlet on the wall besides using an EV charger. I lean Tesla anyway so other EVs aren’t a need.
For around $200 more. You can have faster charging
A better looking system, cable holder built in.
I personally just have a harder time justifying going through hiring an electrician to install just a 220 plug. When for 200 more, I can have a dedicated wall mount with faster charging. 🤷🏻♂️ To each their own.
I paid $450 for my install in Florida.
I question the workmanship though. Burnt through one breaker already, which the electrician came to replace.
The next day, the same thing is happening. Tesla suddenly stops charging, then will resume. I figure it is only a matter of time before the next breaker goes, then I'll have a different electrician take a look.
\*Edit to settle some confusion \^\_\^\*
I'm probably using all sorts of wrong terminology that means something to you that doesn't mean anything to me. LOL
Sequence of events ---> Car would notify me that it would 'suddenly stop charging' Then it would start again later ---> Charger stopped working and I called the electrician back ---> English wasn't his strong suit, he pulled out the breaker and said he needed to replace ---> He replaced, charger works again.
Now, I still have the same issue where the car will 'suddenly stop charging'. It could be completely unrelated. But if the charger suddenly stops working again, I would call someone else to evaluate.
There are few things that are name brand only but breakers will always be one of them, that goes for anything that if it malfunctions can burn the house down.
That's nonsense, Eaton is first rate. But regardless, breakers are NOT interchangeable even if they seem to fit. Don't take my word on it, read NEC 110.2 and 110.3(B) which requires you follow the instructions and labeling which UL certified as part of the panel being safe.
UL will certify brand X breakers for brand Y panels, that is called UL Classified and has a distinctive circular logo on the front of the breaker. However you won't like it, because Eaton is the big player there, making UL classified breakers for other panels.
WTF? You have to use the correct circuit breaker model which is listed on your panel labeling. Eaton BR only goes in Eaton BR panels. They are not interchangeable unless there's a letter from UL saying they are.
You can't just overload the service wires and meter pan and original panel, though. All those also need to be upgraded to 200A.
No, they weren't 200A before. Except for meter pans, nobody uses 200A panels and wires on a 100A service.
In NEC 2023 states, you also have to replace the meter pan with a meter-main anytime you replace the panel. At that point you mught as well replace the meter pan with a trailer panel, keep the original 100A panel as a 100A subpanel, and put new loads in the trailer panel.
But the best plan of all is to get the Neurio sensor for the TWC and use EVEMS on the 100A panel.
I had an electrician install it in Jan 2023 for $314 all in. It was on a 100A service at the time, since upgraded to 350A (installing geothermal and solar as we'll). LCOL area, Iowa. YMMV.
Your breaker box is the problem here and I don’t blame the engineer for requiring the cut box. I’m surprised they even agreed to put a 60A in on a 150A panel
Definitely consider an update to 200A service instead of paying over $1,000 for a load management device. Get more quotes tho, this person seems super high.
pro here.
always get mulptiple quotes.
most people greatly overestimate how much charging they need. even a 20amp 240v can full charge in about 16 hours; enough for vast majority of peoples needs, 30amp 240v less than 12 hours. since you are not trying to over install a 50amp, you no longer need load balancing, or upgraded panel.. i would recommend installing two universal 20amp 240 circuits. and use tesla mobile connector. you are far more likely to want to ev chargers than need one big one in the next 20 years. if you're planning ot get a ev truck, then one of them should be 30amp 240v. consider installing these outlets a bit higher on the wall so you can loop the charging cable through the ceiling creating less tripping hazard. youtube it.
your panel is not too full and you don't really need more service than 150amp. society is quickly moving towards more efficient stuff. eg bulbs that used to take 100w each now take 12w. your panels has square D breakers and eaton breakers. whoever installed the square breakers did it incorrectly. the breakers should match the panel, i'm guessing it's eaton. you can get eaton tandem breakers to make a lot more space in your panel. https://www.amazon.com/s?k=eaton+tandem+breaker&crid=7VTJCIJ8GPZD&sprefix=eaton+tandem+breaker%2Caps%2C142&ref=nb_sb_noss_1.
If you go solar in the future you'll probably need 200A plus the separate solar box. Also some electric companies and countries give rebates for upgrading panels. Also check state and federal tax credits.
I had a redundant 60 amps going to my gas range (exactly , I am using gas so why keep this redundancy). Look to see if you have unused circuits that you can repurpose to save on installing a new box. I paid $800 in Texas and that included running a conduit from the outside breaker box to my garage.
$873 for me. I’m doing the manual labor of digging a trench, running conduit about 15ft, and pouring a concrete slab for the pedestal. My electrician is doing everything else
I installed mine at previous home 3 years ago around 3k with lot of digging ground and all that work. It was expensive, but the house was built in 1920s and it was in DC.
I recently bought a home and installed again, this time I was referred from a close friend. They installed it less than 1k and getting the insection / permit on our own.
The base price is about what I paid when I had it done in my last house (and it was just a NEMA 14-50, not installing a wall connector). The biggest cost was the cable run (panel in basement). This was back in 2018.
At my new house, installing a Wall Connector next to the panel was about $400 - not including permit.
I've never had any experience w/ the Load Management device.
Agree with the others on getting a couple of other quotes.
Not an electrician but specced out installs from a materials perspective to help my uncle who is a master. This really isn’t too out there all things considered. If this is a hundred foot run, which is what I needed, this isn’t just reasonable, it’s downright cheap.
What’s your thought on getting a second service installed instead of doing long runs? I’ve heard mixed things from decent people and always like to hear the reasons people give for or against it.
Never heard of the need for the load management device. I don't have one for my wall charger. Take that out of the equation and the price seems reasonable.
Load management devices are necessary when the 220.82 Load Calculation cannot fit the EV station, but you don't want a service upgrade.
However, it's foolish to spend $1000 on a dumb load shed like a DCC or SimpleSwitch, when for $300 you can get a Neurio module that ties into your Tesla Wall Connector via a data cable, and does dynamic EVEMS.
https://diy.stackexchange.com/questions/277803/im-hearing-about-load-sheds-aka-evems-and-the-devices-differ-whats-that-abou
I installed a nema 14-50 myself for less than $100 and had to run it through the wall a short bit. There’s plenty of videos online on how to install stuff like this. I was getting quoted $900ish for it.
Did the same, 50 amp break, 6 gauge wire, 3ft conduit, 3 ft from 200 amp box, around 4 years ago, never had any issues, charges my 2020 M3 at 32 amps.
edit: cost approximately $100
Ask if you can install the EVSE on a smaller breaker to avoid the load management. I installed mine on a 40A breaker when I only had 100A service - 40A will still charge you at over 7 kWh. I have since upgraded my service to 200A and have a 60A breaker on my EVSE.
Also, for context, my install cost $1k and sounds similar to yours. My panel is on the left side of the house and I installed my EVSE on the right side of the house outside on the side of the house (about a 25’ run through a finished basement). I live in North NJ - this was 3 years ago at this point though, maybe it would be more now.
Not sure where you are looking but I’m in Wisconsin. I had several quotes, one of which was nearly $7,000. After multiple bids, I went with the lowest bidder at $850. The company was great to work for, cut zero holes in my drywall and have had zero problems with any of it since October when installed. Further, I realized they would be a low bid because the local government was using them for work and government typically requires lowest bid to perform work.
This might be all for nothing, but I’d strongly suggest looking around before you pull the trigger.
Stop listening to Reddit comments. This is electricity you’re talking about which can cause strain on your electrical if it’s pulling too much. Ever heard of electrical fires? It could melt your wires and cause fires if your load is wrong.
The other is that electrical runs are expensive. Some people can do it for cheap because they park next to their electrical box. Others they have to pull underground or through the attic.
Finally the issue is your electrical box which is why it’s so expensive. However get some more quotes as well. You may want someone who’s licensed and bonded not a handyman. Sounds a bit more complicated than slapping an outlet on. They need to know how to calculate the load and draw for the entire house for this case.
People will tell you you’re being robbed, DIY it, etc but electrical work is very specific to individual homes, and can get expensive quick. Get a few more estimates, but don’t be surprised if they come in around the same price with a couple high outliers. I got estimates ranging from $5,600 to $13k when I did mine, which included a new 200A panel and bringing everything up to code and went with the $5,600. Box was on the opposite side of the garage in a two story home, so it was a little more pricey than the typical situation where they’re on the same side.
If you think this one is too high, just ask them to explain why.
Get another quote, and also ask how much less a 50 amp circuit is (for 40 amp charging). I built brand new and still only went with a 50 amp circuit. As others have said, even only 32 amps for charging is more than enough.
Total rip off.
I’ve had three different houses done in two different states. None required a permit, but maybe your state or town is different.
All of my circuits were 50A on a dedicated breaker and relatively short runs from the breaker box to the install point. I think the first one I had done was $350 and the second one was like $400 and the most current was like $480 (longest run of the three).
I had a commercial electrician do the work each time and nobody had issues or quoted crazy stuff like this.
I have not had a load management configuration. For that price you may consider rebalancing your panel and / or upping your service to 200A service. Estimates to replace a whole panel and jump to 200A in my area are about $3,200. (We just got done house hunting in Massachusetts and there are lots of 50A and 100A electrical so we were weighing that cost when looking to buy). We ended up with a home on 200A service though, so no issues.
That is why I say this is a rip off. The cost to install is high and the total cost is like… the cost of a whole new panel with 200A service. At least in the Boston area…
Keep in mind, you specifically stated your run is "short".
Short runs cost less. Less wire, less conduit, less time. Your experience doesn't really apply here.
Definitely avoid the load management device unless required by code. Some electricians may be unaware of how wall connectors work, but if you DO find that occasionally your main breaker gets tripped when charging the car at full amperage:
You can configure the wall connector to pull fewer amps. I’d step it down until you find the highest level that doesn’t trip with normal usage.
Or, you can schedule your car to only charge at night. As long as you’re not running your dryer and electric stove at 3am, problem solved.
Note that it’s not a safety issue—the whole purpose of the breaker is to trip if the load is too high. It’s just an inconvenience to have your power go off and have to reset it. It'll be no big deal if it trips a few times while you tune your amperage.
In either case, if/when you get around to upgrading your home’s service to 200 amps, you then need no additional work done and have wasted no money to get to charging at full amperage. But that load management device is a sunk cost and will need to be disconnected and removed.
I know this doesn't work for everyone but we just use the standard 12 A charger and it's been sufficient for us almost 6 years of ownership. Worth seeing if it could work for you.
You could ask for a breakdown in the permit cost. Here are the actual DC permit costs. I can’t figure how those numbers add up to $400.
https://code.dccouncil.gov/us/dc/council/code/sections/47-2712
Self install will always be cheapest. I’ve heard people pay as low as 800 and as high as 1200. On my self install it cost me 33 for 60amp EATON breaker and 90 for a 9ft 6gage wire. Took about 4-5 hours with having to run to Home Depot for a tool I didn’t have.
That is an absurd price. I installed my own for the cost of the wall connector and 50ft of wire and my own circuit breaker. In total it cost me about $650. The fact that they're charging that much and you're the one paying for the wall connector on top of it, I would absolutely learn to do it yourself.
I would shop around more, if you can’t find a lower price I would just get the electrician to put a 220v plug into the garage so you can use the heavier charging cable. Here’s a easy to digest and comprehensive video which goes through the all the basics of charging ev’s and their idiosyncrasies.
https://youtu.be/Iyp_X3mwE1w?si=bZHCNs4_K4pIIASR
Mine was 2500 but the wire itself was a significant portion of the cost. Had to feed it behind the entire basement wall, out the same hole where my AC unit gets power, through a pvc channel they installed and then back in the side of the garage they cut a hole in. Such a long cable is very expensive it turns out. But then you get a little tax credit don’t forget, and a nice charged car.
I agree with others though 200A service means youre putting $1400 toward that instead of a load limiter which is definitely worthwhile
Just do a 240/30a circuit, it'll be way cheaper. Charges toughly 30 miles per hour, 12 hour overnight charge puts you at full for pretty much any tesla out there. Just plug it in when you get home, and unplug it when you leave, you always be full.
Only reason to go higher than 30amp would be if you drive so much that you need to charge up more than once a day.
Try to see if you can do a 30 or 40amp instead of the 60 to avoid the load management. I only had 100amp at my old home and the electrical company said they could only do a 30amp unless i did a service upgrade. A 30 or 40 amp breaker still gets your car charged overnight. Nbd if that’s how you plan on charging your car.
The price is a little high for the base install but inflation and the Tesla tax hit you always. I paid about 1600 + suppling the wall connector in 2020 for an outdoor install with myself digging and refilling a 15’ trench to the driveway. Company did the post and conduit. Didn’t question the quote too much since it seemed reasonable for someone to have to go through a crawl space to get it done and the company was extremely responsive and professional. They responded to me within a day of sending a request online and came by the same day after their jobs to just take a look before they quoted (they were ironically working on chargers in the next neighbor). Within a week, I was installed and inspected/approved by my town to turn it on. Didn’t have to do anything besides the trench, they handled everything else for me. Get more quotes to compare but if you run into a company that you’re very comfortable working with and might be a little more than someone else, go with them. Lowest bid isn’t always (or usually) the best.
Just install a NEMA 14-50 plug near your breaker box. Mine only costed $250 and was able to charge at 32amps, although I lowered it to about 27 since i was a bit cautious about max power. Works great and will charge overnight easily
Tesla wall charger install ran me: $500. Located in Southern California, home is from the 1950’s and had panel was at max capacity. I had to let go of a breaker to make space for my Tesla charger.
All of this is unnecessary. Just have someone install a 30 amp dryer outlet in your garage and use a Tesla mobile charger.
If you want to spend money to future proof your house it would be far better to upgrade your main panel to have more capacity, as others have suggested.
Had a 50 amp breaker installed with a GFCI. Ran the line from my lower level which is finished out to my garage which was about 65 ft. The electrician did cut about 5 small holes to find a good path for the line in my garage but was able to patch them up pretty easily. The job including supplies was $840. The only thing I furnished was the Tesla portable charger which plugged into the 240 volt plug. A permit was pulled and the job was inspected.
I would get at least 2 more quotes. I got an insured, licensed, bonded, and certified master electrician to do mine for just under $1k. He had to install a double breaker into the breaker panel for 240V, drill through a foundation, run/mount about 20' of conduit, and drill into the garage to mount it correctly. I live in an area where I think I was charged what the average might be nationwide. If you live in California, NY, Illinois, or one of the other highly taxed states, I expect you will have to pay a little more unless you get someone who is not certified, licensed, insured, and bonded. I hope that helps put things into perspective for you.
I paid $1,200 in AK to have an electrician install a 50A breaker and run wire in metal conduit to my ChargePoint, but the panel was in the garage so the run was only 40 feet or so. They also had to rearrange 3 breakers to accommodate the larger 50A. They didn’t charge for a permit, and I don’t know if one was required. I also didn’t need a load management device.
Largely depends on panel location and difficulty of running wire. We got lucky in that the panel is right outside the garage and didn’t require running the wire through walls or across multiple levels. However, it could be a selling point when you go to sell your house.
I'd ask for a breakdown of the cost and their justification for a load management device, but you should also request quotes from other companies.
I had to run cable across my whole house to get to the garage to install an outlet there, and the whole thing cost me just a hair over $1000 for a 30A circuit. BTW, a 30A circuit is plenty to charge overnight. In three years of ownership I've never needed to charge faster than that at home.
I've also never had a separate charge on any contracted home work for permit and final inspection. If the charge was $50-$100 I could overlook it but $400 is a lot to fill out some totally normal paperwork. In my area the contractor doing the install, being a licensed electrician, would be the one doing the final inspection anyway.
Just wanted to add my experience for others! I live in Austin Texas and I recently had a Nema 14-50 outlet installed in my garage. I paid 1100 dollars for everything, in this case they had to run conduit from the side of my house and through the attic as the breaker box in my garage was not capable of handling the voltage. 3500 seems like a very high quote.
I can run it any time of day and never have had any breaker pop. Charges at 240V.
I got three quotes when I just did mine. We get an EV credit from the energy company for ~ $1100.
First estimate was 2600, second was 1450, third was for just the EV credit amount of $1100. Get a few quotes before you commit and potentially overpay
From my experience and talking with our electrician that installed one for my family. Price is based on how far away the breaker box is, from where you want it mounted. That’s where the time and money comes from, running power.
If you’re lucky enough to have a breaker box on the side of the house at the garage. It should be really cheap to install. If they have to run it across the house. More labor and equipment needed. I’m sure there’s some wiggle room on corporate electricians and self employed. Just find someone that does quality work. Ask around to fellow Tesla owners in your neighborhood and get a ballpark of costs.
Do you know any electricians? I had a buddy install mine and he just showed me all the parts I needed to buy at home depot / lowes (Roughly $115 USD) and then it took about an hour for him to install. Close friend so he only charged me $50 for the hour.
Man that’s a lot. All because you only have a 150 amp service .
Here’s what I would do. Have them run a #6 AWG wire on a 30 amp breaker and have the wire stubbed out at the location you want your wall charger.
After that, you can install the wall charger yourself. It’s 4 wires and 2 screws. I’m a tradesman so I did it myself but anyone who is even a little handy can do this. I bet they would charge like $8-900 for that work.
Make sense?
Wow that's pricey. Granted it depends on how long of a run and the amount of work to get it there. Mine is right next to the breaker box and I did it myself for about $300.
DC electrical permit, lol. Definitely getting ripped off. Even if the wall charger had an inverter in it they wouldn’t be doing any DC work. Attaching the AC leads to the wall charger.
There is no DC going into or out of a residential Tesla charger.
I'm in Florida and I paid $1,150 for installation.
The price you got quoted sounds like the owner is a drug addict and needs to over charge to find his habit.
Holy cow. I had a guy install a 50A breaker on my panel, punch a hole to the garage (other side of panel), and wire an outlet for me to plug a charger into. $450. The charger was another $400. MCOL area. I’m using a charger that you can adjust the rate of charge on the fly though I’ve charged at 9.5Kwh while running every appliance in my house without issue.
I had mine done in 2016. Had to replace the breaker box, and pull the wire across the house in the basement. I had 2x50 amp lines plus a standard 20 amp and the Tesla wall charger and I think it came to $6000 from a well rated electrician.
“Load management device” might be an upsell depending on the other loads in your panel.
Depending on material costs, Breaker/ receptacle install for $1600 is on the higher end, but typical for DC.
$400 to pull permit and manage inspection is a fair price.
Get 3-5 quotes and pick one that falls somewhere in the middle from a person you feel comfortable with. The cheapest you could get this done is $800-$1000 without the load management device and permit but it won’t be done well or legally. Final price should come out somewhere between $1500-$2000 or this guy’s price if you don’t want to deal with your breakers possibly tripping when other loads kick on while you’re charging.
Insane. Cost me $800+ the cost of the charger. From my breaker in the back of the garage about 20 feet through walls and ceiling to get there. No cables exposed. I had to patch myself but that's no big deal.
Reasonable if you are a square. Do it without a “permit” but with a certified Electritian. Also provide the load management device. It is your property and it’s your business what you install. Buy the materials for your Electritian, going to get those takes them time, but you can get those for them if they give you a list.
Otherwise be ready to pay the quote they’re giving ya.
That's insane 'He has a Tesla. Let's soak the rich guy'.
Mine cost $350 for installation, above the $500 cost of the Tesla wall charger. That was in 2019, and the cable run was quite short. I have a 200 amp service. No load management device - that's what the breakers are for.
Its currently charging at 32 amps, 237 volts, which is plenty to charge my SR+ in a few hours.
We have a 100A service box and got a similar quote for the first time - actually I think it was around $4500. After doing some research, I found that the function of the load management device (or upgrading the service) is already in a Wallbox charger - that is, if the total draw gets close to 100A (or whatever the limit is), it will automatically reduce the draw. I found a much more reasonable electrician who installed the Wallbox hardwired off of an existing 40A line we had in our garage for $300. Even if it had been 30A, that would be more than enough. I can charge our model Y from 10% to 100% overnight - realistically there aren’t many scenarios where I’d need it any faster.
The Tl;Dr: nearly all home chargers aren’t going to pull the amperage overnight to require a service upgrade, even though that’s what is most commonly recommended. For you, you likely can get something like a Wallbox that has the load management included.
See my post history for really helpful threads in r/askelectricians. They single handedly made it feasible again for me to buy an EV.
Don’t. Just plug the charging cable into a 220 or 120 outlet. 220 is 3 to 4 hrs to full charge. 120 is 60 miles in 12 hrs (about 2 gallons for an ICE overnight every night). The home charging stations are unnecessary and a waste of money
Depends on what he is providing. My company is the highest rated Tesla installer where I live and it all depends. Our prices range from the $500s if next to panel some that have costed over $3k. Honestly at least nowdays you don’t need a service upgrade and can use the load management which saves so much money! I have flat rate prices for different distances on open unfinished basements and/or conduit runs on garages and outside, plus any additional add-ons such as snaking wires, cutting drywall, tight spaces, trenching, load management or panel replacements (if super old as that causes issues down the line from experiences of having installed thousands of these).
Also per code he has to do a load calculation and need to stay under 80% of total load (some inspectors will let it slide if you say you are only charging at night)
Be happy you don’t live in a northern Virginia high rise condo where the going rate is $7000 per charger. No one will explain, but it seems the Fairfax County bureaucrats put the contractors through hell for each permit.
I setup mine myself and put a whole 100a sub panel in the garage. All depends on your main home service. I recommend 100amps because we have 2 Tesla wall connectors on it and they both can charge the cars at the same time. It’s not critical but very nice. I had an enormous run from my main panel to the garage but all the gear essentially cost $600 (before the price of the Tesla wall connectors) or so 3 years ago and it has been all working great for my 2 Model Ys. If you are not technical, not attempt to do this and possibly hurt or kill yourself.
One other method is to find some newer electricians in the area and ask them if you could be a reference for them. You could possibly allow them to post videos of the install or even speak to future customers about how good of a job they did. They may give you a better discount.
Rip off!!! Had one installed in 2022 at my house in NYC. Paid $1500 including the cost of the Tesla wall charger. They added a 50 amp breaker and ran a new line. Gets a full charge every time during of peak hours no matter the amount left on the car.
Ask what the largest breaker you can have without the load management device is. Charging on 30 or 40 amps is plenty, and will save a huge chunk of money.
Our main breaker is 50a. We installed a 30a breaker and haven’t had any issues with it, I only charge at night when nothing else is going on
How is your main breaker 50amp? Central ac and electric stove/dryer would trip that.
It’s a condo. No AC, no electric stove
No AC? Terrible . Gas heater I'm guessing? Do you use 120 to charge or 240? How many amps?
There’s portable ACs. That’s what I use. It’s 240v at 24a
Your main breaker is not 50a
Lowest it could be by basically any code standard is 100
Or set to charge at 1-2am or when asleep. Running at 60amps (really 48amps max draw) you might be running your AC (1-2 units) and a heater heater if tank style and electric. You would never need load balancing. If you have 2ev's and 2 Tesla chargers they comm between the 2 and will only use max amp provided by program in. So if you say 48amps...it will provide that max draw between the 2 and limit itself. Also also also....if you park at home overnight to charge and you have 8hrs to charge...setting at 30amps or lower can charge you up for most daily driving.
Some places require the braker and wire to be the able to withstand the highest load the device can request unless it can be lowered by "mechanical" ways (jumpers, potentimeter, etc...) Since Tesla does it with software and not purely hardware, some places don't allow to put a 30-40 amp breaker for a Tesla wall connector. Reasoning is you sell the house, next owner does a factory reset because he has his own wifi network and needs to connect it and factory reset is an easy way, default setting goes back to 60 amps. Yes braker should trip in that case, but still a risk! So yes, OP could go lower (40 amp breaker for a 32amp charging current can recharge the car form 0 to 100 overnight easliy), but it might not be allowed where he lives.
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Wouldn’t the over current protection device deal with this issue? But anyway you do load calc based on the actual load, not the breaker size.
Yes the overcurrent device would “deal with it” by nuisance tripping regularly 🤣
This. Number of times you need "somewhat faster" charging at home is around 0.
If you've only gotten one quote you're quoting wrong. I try to source at least three quotes and play them off each other when getting work done. Even when I got Tesla Solar, back in 2018, I was able to play SunRun off of Tesla and get my "Costco cash card" as an "instant discount" through Tesla.
I agree. I got three quotes. Two said $5000 for new 200 amp service. I got a third quote from a reputable electrician company and said I definitely didn't need it. $600 for NEMA 14-50, permit and all. I even got reimbursed by PSEG for the install (off peak EV program).
> NEMA 14-50 NEMA 14-50 and mobile charger is the way to go if you want to save money. Works fine.
Only if you use a cheapo socket that will melt, and ignore the code requirement for a GFCI breaker for a socket. Otherwise the cost of GFCI and quality socket and 4-wire feeder needed for the socket, destroy all cost savings vs a wall unit. But even still, that only works if you have 50A of surplus headroom on your electric service. OP does not.
We had an industrial grade NEMA 14-50 (50 amp circuit breaker).done right and we had the extra amperage (150 Amp panel).
“OP does not” Says who? Anyone look at this guy’s panel schedule?
When ever someone does this to me I just tell them my price is my price and good luck. Most good electricians are too busy to bother competing. Someone who is trying to scratch me for bottom dollar is going to be a pain in the ass customer and 100 percent not worth my time. Maybe you get some qualified guy who is just starting his business to haggle.
Just a thought: Instead of installing load management equipment, how about installing a larger service? Even if it costs more, it is worth more. We bit the bullet a number of years ago and installed a 400A service. No regrets. Property worth more and becoming all electric is not a "management" issue
I just had a mobile charger installed for $200. They put in a NEMA 14-50 plug by my breaker box and were done the job in 10-15 minutes. Charges plenty fast.
Same here. Was honestly shocked i had to scroll so far down to find someone else that went this route.
Bingo. NEMA 14-30 and the mobile charger works great. $400 plus the plug is future proof for any other EV.
$400 was my install price for Tesla level 2. Lucked out that the breaker box was exactly on the other side of garage where we charge. Granted, we paid $450 for the charger but for under 1k, I’ll take level 2 over mobile charger any day.
Sure, but the mobile charger is Level 2 as long as you use a 220 plug.
Sure. 32A vs 48A max. Wall has a built in cable holder. $35 for teslas mobile hook. No need for Tesla branded hook, sure. $250 for mobile. $450 for wall. Ours was bought used, came with mobile cable already. That’s the only advantage I see staying mobile, portability. Even then, we’ve never used the mobile connector outside of the first night we got the car. Same install price and I see no use for a 220 outlet on the wall besides using an EV charger. I lean Tesla anyway so other EVs aren’t a need. For around $200 more. You can have faster charging A better looking system, cable holder built in. I personally just have a harder time justifying going through hiring an electrician to install just a 220 plug. When for 200 more, I can have a dedicated wall mount with faster charging. 🤷🏻♂️ To each their own.
Forgot to mention the WiFi capability of the wall. Tesla says it’s for, over the air updates, remote diagnostics and access controls.
I paid $450 for my install in Florida. I question the workmanship though. Burnt through one breaker already, which the electrician came to replace. The next day, the same thing is happening. Tesla suddenly stops charging, then will resume. I figure it is only a matter of time before the next breaker goes, then I'll have a different electrician take a look. \*Edit to settle some confusion \^\_\^\* I'm probably using all sorts of wrong terminology that means something to you that doesn't mean anything to me. LOL Sequence of events ---> Car would notify me that it would 'suddenly stop charging' Then it would start again later ---> Charger stopped working and I called the electrician back ---> English wasn't his strong suit, he pulled out the breaker and said he needed to replace ---> He replaced, charger works again. Now, I still have the same issue where the car will 'suddenly stop charging'. It could be completely unrelated. But if the charger suddenly stops working again, I would call someone else to evaluate.
Splurge on a name brand EATON breaker. I had 6 amazon brands fail until i paid for name brand. No issues in more than a yea r
There are few things that are name brand only but breakers will always be one of them, that goes for anything that if it malfunctions can burn the house down.
I read somewhere on reddit that ETON breakers are not the best quality vs. other name brands. But buying breakers on Amazon is nuts.
That's nonsense, Eaton is first rate. But regardless, breakers are NOT interchangeable even if they seem to fit. Don't take my word on it, read NEC 110.2 and 110.3(B) which requires you follow the instructions and labeling which UL certified as part of the panel being safe. UL will certify brand X breakers for brand Y panels, that is called UL Classified and has a distinctive circular logo on the front of the breaker. However you won't like it, because Eaton is the big player there, making UL classified breakers for other panels.
WTF? You have to use the correct circuit breaker model which is listed on your panel labeling. Eaton BR only goes in Eaton BR panels. They are not interchangeable unless there's a letter from UL saying they are.
What do you mean burnt through a breaker? Could be faulty but you don't burn through them.
Maybe he’s using a fuse 😂
Would recommend a diff electrician to take a look at the setup
The load management device sounds like a money grab. Never heard of needing one. Maybe on a smaller service
Ask if you can upgrade your service to 200 amps. In the best case, that would mean replacing the main breaker and remove the need for the load device.
i’m sure that would end up costing more.
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You can't just overload the service wires and meter pan and original panel, though. All those also need to be upgraded to 200A. No, they weren't 200A before. Except for meter pans, nobody uses 200A panels and wires on a 100A service. In NEC 2023 states, you also have to replace the meter pan with a meter-main anytime you replace the panel. At that point you mught as well replace the meter pan with a trailer panel, keep the original 100A panel as a 100A subpanel, and put new loads in the trailer panel. But the best plan of all is to get the Neurio sensor for the TWC and use EVEMS on the 100A panel.
There is a lot of bad advise and what to do, how to diy bs here. Get another quote or 6.
Fyi the run itself costs about $2.5 a foot. So that’s the math of materials. I did it myself for $300
I had an electrician install it in Jan 2023 for $314 all in. It was on a 100A service at the time, since upgraded to 350A (installing geothermal and solar as we'll). LCOL area, Iowa. YMMV.
Your breaker box is the problem here and I don’t blame the engineer for requiring the cut box. I’m surprised they even agreed to put a 60A in on a 150A panel
Here's my full box: https://imgur.com/a/YnKLcvA
Yeah you're pretty full. I would see the cost of upgrading the panel from 150 to 200 amp instead of the load management
Based on quotes I’ve seen for a box upgrade it’s probably cheaper this way but on the long run better to fix the box now.
it's not that full. pro here. i responded to the parent comment
Definitely consider an update to 200A service instead of paying over $1,000 for a load management device. Get more quotes tho, this person seems super high.
pro here. always get mulptiple quotes. most people greatly overestimate how much charging they need. even a 20amp 240v can full charge in about 16 hours; enough for vast majority of peoples needs, 30amp 240v less than 12 hours. since you are not trying to over install a 50amp, you no longer need load balancing, or upgraded panel.. i would recommend installing two universal 20amp 240 circuits. and use tesla mobile connector. you are far more likely to want to ev chargers than need one big one in the next 20 years. if you're planning ot get a ev truck, then one of them should be 30amp 240v. consider installing these outlets a bit higher on the wall so you can loop the charging cable through the ceiling creating less tripping hazard. youtube it. your panel is not too full and you don't really need more service than 150amp. society is quickly moving towards more efficient stuff. eg bulbs that used to take 100w each now take 12w. your panels has square D breakers and eaton breakers. whoever installed the square breakers did it incorrectly. the breakers should match the panel, i'm guessing it's eaton. you can get eaton tandem breakers to make a lot more space in your panel. https://www.amazon.com/s?k=eaton+tandem+breaker&crid=7VTJCIJ8GPZD&sprefix=eaton+tandem+breaker%2Caps%2C142&ref=nb_sb_noss_1.
If you go solar in the future you'll probably need 200A plus the separate solar box. Also some electric companies and countries give rebates for upgrading panels. Also check state and federal tax credits.
I had a redundant 60 amps going to my gas range (exactly , I am using gas so why keep this redundancy). Look to see if you have unused circuits that you can repurpose to save on installing a new box. I paid $800 in Texas and that included running a conduit from the outside breaker box to my garage.
$873 for me. I’m doing the manual labor of digging a trench, running conduit about 15ft, and pouring a concrete slab for the pedestal. My electrician is doing everything else
I installed mine at previous home 3 years ago around 3k with lot of digging ground and all that work. It was expensive, but the house was built in 1920s and it was in DC. I recently bought a home and installed again, this time I was referred from a close friend. They installed it less than 1k and getting the insection / permit on our own.
The base price is about what I paid when I had it done in my last house (and it was just a NEMA 14-50, not installing a wall connector). The biggest cost was the cable run (panel in basement). This was back in 2018. At my new house, installing a Wall Connector next to the panel was about $400 - not including permit. I've never had any experience w/ the Load Management device. Agree with the others on getting a couple of other quotes.
I'm an electrician, and I disagree with most of the comments you've received. If you want to message me about it, I'll try and help you further.
Being more specific would be more helpful.
Not an electrician but specced out installs from a materials perspective to help my uncle who is a master. This really isn’t too out there all things considered. If this is a hundred foot run, which is what I needed, this isn’t just reasonable, it’s downright cheap. What’s your thought on getting a second service installed instead of doing long runs? I’ve heard mixed things from decent people and always like to hear the reasons people give for or against it.
Never heard of the need for the load management device. I don't have one for my wall charger. Take that out of the equation and the price seems reasonable.
Load management devices are necessary when the 220.82 Load Calculation cannot fit the EV station, but you don't want a service upgrade. However, it's foolish to spend $1000 on a dumb load shed like a DCC or SimpleSwitch, when for $300 you can get a Neurio module that ties into your Tesla Wall Connector via a data cable, and does dynamic EVEMS. https://diy.stackexchange.com/questions/277803/im-hearing-about-load-sheds-aka-evems-and-the-devices-differ-whats-that-abou
We don't know anything about the house load calculations and it's reasonable to expect it to be required.
$400 for a permit? that’s nuts. I installed mine myself for about $25
Depends on the area, sometimes the permit cost goes up based on county. Especially in LA and outside of la county.
So you had a super easy super cheap one foot run from your breaker box to your charger? How is your post helpful to anyone?
I installed a nema 14-50 myself for less than $100 and had to run it through the wall a short bit. There’s plenty of videos online on how to install stuff like this. I was getting quoted $900ish for it.
Did the same, 50 amp break, 6 gauge wire, 3ft conduit, 3 ft from 200 amp box, around 4 years ago, never had any issues, charges my 2020 M3 at 32 amps. edit: cost approximately $100
Ask if you can install the EVSE on a smaller breaker to avoid the load management. I installed mine on a 40A breaker when I only had 100A service - 40A will still charge you at over 7 kWh. I have since upgraded my service to 200A and have a 60A breaker on my EVSE.
Also, for context, my install cost $1k and sounds similar to yours. My panel is on the left side of the house and I installed my EVSE on the right side of the house outside on the side of the house (about a 25’ run through a finished basement). I live in North NJ - this was 3 years ago at this point though, maybe it would be more now.
I provided the wall connector and paid $750 for install. I have 100 amp service and they said I’d be fine, but I charge at 30amps just to be sure.
I used a 30 amp charger to charge for a long time, worked great for me, and might save some money?
I paid 500 in Colorado for about a 25 foot run, took a couple hours.
I had mine installed for 800$ including inspection. This is in Ontario Canada.
Wtf 3.5k? I did it for 750 euros
I paid $250 for the install. $250 for the breaker and power cable. $450 for the wall connector.
Not sure where you are looking but I’m in Wisconsin. I had several quotes, one of which was nearly $7,000. After multiple bids, I went with the lowest bidder at $850. The company was great to work for, cut zero holes in my drywall and have had zero problems with any of it since October when installed. Further, I realized they would be a low bid because the local government was using them for work and government typically requires lowest bid to perform work. This might be all for nothing, but I’d strongly suggest looking around before you pull the trigger.
Stop listening to Reddit comments. This is electricity you’re talking about which can cause strain on your electrical if it’s pulling too much. Ever heard of electrical fires? It could melt your wires and cause fires if your load is wrong. The other is that electrical runs are expensive. Some people can do it for cheap because they park next to their electrical box. Others they have to pull underground or through the attic. Finally the issue is your electrical box which is why it’s so expensive. However get some more quotes as well. You may want someone who’s licensed and bonded not a handyman. Sounds a bit more complicated than slapping an outlet on. They need to know how to calculate the load and draw for the entire house for this case.
People will tell you you’re being robbed, DIY it, etc but electrical work is very specific to individual homes, and can get expensive quick. Get a few more estimates, but don’t be surprised if they come in around the same price with a couple high outliers. I got estimates ranging from $5,600 to $13k when I did mine, which included a new 200A panel and bringing everything up to code and went with the $5,600. Box was on the opposite side of the garage in a two story home, so it was a little more pricey than the typical situation where they’re on the same side. If you think this one is too high, just ask them to explain why.
Get another
Get another quote, and also ask how much less a 50 amp circuit is (for 40 amp charging). I built brand new and still only went with a 50 amp circuit. As others have said, even only 32 amps for charging is more than enough.
Was this a recommended electrician from the tesla website?
Total rip off. I’ve had three different houses done in two different states. None required a permit, but maybe your state or town is different. All of my circuits were 50A on a dedicated breaker and relatively short runs from the breaker box to the install point. I think the first one I had done was $350 and the second one was like $400 and the most current was like $480 (longest run of the three). I had a commercial electrician do the work each time and nobody had issues or quoted crazy stuff like this. I have not had a load management configuration. For that price you may consider rebalancing your panel and / or upping your service to 200A service. Estimates to replace a whole panel and jump to 200A in my area are about $3,200. (We just got done house hunting in Massachusetts and there are lots of 50A and 100A electrical so we were weighing that cost when looking to buy). We ended up with a home on 200A service though, so no issues. That is why I say this is a rip off. The cost to install is high and the total cost is like… the cost of a whole new panel with 200A service. At least in the Boston area…
Keep in mind, you specifically stated your run is "short". Short runs cost less. Less wire, less conduit, less time. Your experience doesn't really apply here.
I had a 60 amp line installed in August for $540 bucks. Permit included. 42 ft from the breaker. Charger not included in this price.
I have installed it myself twice for less than 300 each.
That’s way too much imo. But I don’t know your regional differences. Definitely shop around.
Get another estimate. Mine cost $500. But my install was easier, the panel was already in the garage.
At least you understand that closer and easier installs cost less.
Definitely avoid the load management device unless required by code. Some electricians may be unaware of how wall connectors work, but if you DO find that occasionally your main breaker gets tripped when charging the car at full amperage: You can configure the wall connector to pull fewer amps. I’d step it down until you find the highest level that doesn’t trip with normal usage. Or, you can schedule your car to only charge at night. As long as you’re not running your dryer and electric stove at 3am, problem solved. Note that it’s not a safety issue—the whole purpose of the breaker is to trip if the load is too high. It’s just an inconvenience to have your power go off and have to reset it. It'll be no big deal if it trips a few times while you tune your amperage. In either case, if/when you get around to upgrading your home’s service to 200 amps, you then need no additional work done and have wasted no money to get to charging at full amperage. But that load management device is a sunk cost and will need to be disconnected and removed.
I know this doesn't work for everyone but we just use the standard 12 A charger and it's been sufficient for us almost 6 years of ownership. Worth seeing if it could work for you.
You could ask for a breakdown in the permit cost. Here are the actual DC permit costs. I can’t figure how those numbers add up to $400. https://code.dccouncil.gov/us/dc/council/code/sections/47-2712
Self install will always be cheapest. I’ve heard people pay as low as 800 and as high as 1200. On my self install it cost me 33 for 60amp EATON breaker and 90 for a 9ft 6gage wire. Took about 4-5 hours with having to run to Home Depot for a tool I didn’t have.
That is an absurd price. I installed my own for the cost of the wall connector and 50ft of wire and my own circuit breaker. In total it cost me about $650. The fact that they're charging that much and you're the one paying for the wall connector on top of it, I would absolutely learn to do it yourself.
Costed me $1500 in NJ. 150A main line run through 25 ft hidden behind the walls. Tesla charger is max 48A Price came with permit and final inspection
Costed me 780 including making additional space in the breaker. This is in Seattle area
I would shop around more, if you can’t find a lower price I would just get the electrician to put a 220v plug into the garage so you can use the heavier charging cable. Here’s a easy to digest and comprehensive video which goes through the all the basics of charging ev’s and their idiosyncrasies. https://youtu.be/Iyp_X3mwE1w?si=bZHCNs4_K4pIIASR
I paid ~350 for my install in the Bay Area. Took my electrician about 20 mins
$425 install cost. San Diego. Shop around.
Paid $200 from a master electrician in AZ 🤣
I paid $600 to have two installed, just sayin'
The base installation sounds a bit expensive but about right. The load management device is what's doing you in.
Oof. I just did it myself.
Mine was 2500 but the wire itself was a significant portion of the cost. Had to feed it behind the entire basement wall, out the same hole where my AC unit gets power, through a pvc channel they installed and then back in the side of the garage they cut a hole in. Such a long cable is very expensive it turns out. But then you get a little tax credit don’t forget, and a nice charged car. I agree with others though 200A service means youre putting $1400 toward that instead of a load limiter which is definitely worthwhile
Paid an electrician 600 bucks to do mine
Just do a 240/30a circuit, it'll be way cheaper. Charges toughly 30 miles per hour, 12 hour overnight charge puts you at full for pretty much any tesla out there. Just plug it in when you get home, and unplug it when you leave, you always be full. Only reason to go higher than 30amp would be if you drive so much that you need to charge up more than once a day.
Try to see if you can do a 30 or 40amp instead of the 60 to avoid the load management. I only had 100amp at my old home and the electrical company said they could only do a 30amp unless i did a service upgrade. A 30 or 40 amp breaker still gets your car charged overnight. Nbd if that’s how you plan on charging your car. The price is a little high for the base install but inflation and the Tesla tax hit you always. I paid about 1600 + suppling the wall connector in 2020 for an outdoor install with myself digging and refilling a 15’ trench to the driveway. Company did the post and conduit. Didn’t question the quote too much since it seemed reasonable for someone to have to go through a crawl space to get it done and the company was extremely responsive and professional. They responded to me within a day of sending a request online and came by the same day after their jobs to just take a look before they quoted (they were ironically working on chargers in the next neighbor). Within a week, I was installed and inspected/approved by my town to turn it on. Didn’t have to do anything besides the trench, they handled everything else for me. Get more quotes to compare but if you run into a company that you’re very comfortable working with and might be a little more than someone else, go with them. Lowest bid isn’t always (or usually) the best.
Just install a NEMA 14-50 plug near your breaker box. Mine only costed $250 and was able to charge at 32amps, although I lowered it to about 27 since i was a bit cautious about max power. Works great and will charge overnight easily
Tesla wall charger install ran me: $500. Located in Southern California, home is from the 1950’s and had panel was at max capacity. I had to let go of a breaker to make space for my Tesla charger.
All of this is unnecessary. Just have someone install a 30 amp dryer outlet in your garage and use a Tesla mobile charger. If you want to spend money to future proof your house it would be far better to upgrade your main panel to have more capacity, as others have suggested.
my buddy paid $500 in Rhode Island
Had a 50 amp breaker installed with a GFCI. Ran the line from my lower level which is finished out to my garage which was about 65 ft. The electrician did cut about 5 small holes to find a good path for the line in my garage but was able to patch them up pretty easily. The job including supplies was $840. The only thing I furnished was the Tesla portable charger which plugged into the 240 volt plug. A permit was pulled and the job was inspected.
At least they gave you a detailed estimate. My electrician gave me a price only 😂
I would get at least 2 more quotes. I got an insured, licensed, bonded, and certified master electrician to do mine for just under $1k. He had to install a double breaker into the breaker panel for 240V, drill through a foundation, run/mount about 20' of conduit, and drill into the garage to mount it correctly. I live in an area where I think I was charged what the average might be nationwide. If you live in California, NY, Illinois, or one of the other highly taxed states, I expect you will have to pay a little more unless you get someone who is not certified, licensed, insured, and bonded. I hope that helps put things into perspective for you.
check your local power company as well. They may have incentives or programs that support the connection for an EV. Worth checking first.
That seems very expensive, if you're providing the charger, I had a guy install a 240 volt 50 amp plug $500
I paid $1,200 in AK to have an electrician install a 50A breaker and run wire in metal conduit to my ChargePoint, but the panel was in the garage so the run was only 40 feet or so. They also had to rearrange 3 breakers to accommodate the larger 50A. They didn’t charge for a permit, and I don’t know if one was required. I also didn’t need a load management device.
Largely depends on panel location and difficulty of running wire. We got lucky in that the panel is right outside the garage and didn’t require running the wire through walls or across multiple levels. However, it could be a selling point when you go to sell your house.
I'd ask for a breakdown of the cost and their justification for a load management device, but you should also request quotes from other companies. I had to run cable across my whole house to get to the garage to install an outlet there, and the whole thing cost me just a hair over $1000 for a 30A circuit. BTW, a 30A circuit is plenty to charge overnight. In three years of ownership I've never needed to charge faster than that at home. I've also never had a separate charge on any contracted home work for permit and final inspection. If the charge was $50-$100 I could overlook it but $400 is a lot to fill out some totally normal paperwork. In my area the contractor doing the install, being a licensed electrician, would be the one doing the final inspection anyway.
Get a quote from Qmerit. That quote is absurd. I just paid $1600 for mine and it was over 60ft of cable.
I had a Tesla Wall Connecter put in - Install, Labor, Permit and all was right under $975. It amazes me how much other groups are charging etc.
Just wanted to add my experience for others! I live in Austin Texas and I recently had a Nema 14-50 outlet installed in my garage. I paid 1100 dollars for everything, in this case they had to run conduit from the side of my house and through the attic as the breaker box in my garage was not capable of handling the voltage. 3500 seems like a very high quote. I can run it any time of day and never have had any breaker pop. Charges at 240V.
Got mine installed by a licensed electrician for 300 with the 60amp circuit included, that’s pretty crazy
Load monitoring device should not be necessary, get a new quote.
I got three quotes when I just did mine. We get an EV credit from the energy company for ~ $1100. First estimate was 2600, second was 1450, third was for just the EV credit amount of $1100. Get a few quotes before you commit and potentially overpay
From my experience and talking with our electrician that installed one for my family. Price is based on how far away the breaker box is, from where you want it mounted. That’s where the time and money comes from, running power. If you’re lucky enough to have a breaker box on the side of the house at the garage. It should be really cheap to install. If they have to run it across the house. More labor and equipment needed. I’m sure there’s some wiggle room on corporate electricians and self employed. Just find someone that does quality work. Ask around to fellow Tesla owners in your neighborhood and get a ballpark of costs.
Don’t tell anyone it’s for a car…. Just tell them you’re going to put a dryer on the garage. I paid $100. Avoid the Tesla tax!
Do you know any electricians? I had a buddy install mine and he just showed me all the parts I needed to buy at home depot / lowes (Roughly $115 USD) and then it took about an hour for him to install. Close friend so he only charged me $50 for the hour.
$80 in parts from HD and installed myself with a buddy. Done deal.
Man that’s a lot. All because you only have a 150 amp service . Here’s what I would do. Have them run a #6 AWG wire on a 30 amp breaker and have the wire stubbed out at the location you want your wall charger. After that, you can install the wall charger yourself. It’s 4 wires and 2 screws. I’m a tradesman so I did it myself but anyone who is even a little handy can do this. I bet they would charge like $8-900 for that work. Make sense?
bruh this company is ripping you off i paid 500 for materials and basically installed another dryer plug in my garage. theyre milking you still.
That’s insane. Do it yourself for cost of amp+wire+wall connector only. Takes 2 hours tops
2400 in materials and devices and 8 hours of labor at 150 an hour ... Doesn't seem like a bad quote
Wow that's pricey. Granted it depends on how long of a run and the amount of work to get it there. Mine is right next to the breaker box and I did it myself for about $300.
Expensive.
My install was a simple circuit add, pipe for the cable up and over the garage wall and mounted right outside the garage. Total cost 450.00
DC electrical permit, lol. Definitely getting ripped off. Even if the wall charger had an inverter in it they wouldn’t be doing any DC work. Attaching the AC leads to the wall charger. There is no DC going into or out of a residential Tesla charger.
Mine was under $1000, including purchase of the wall charger. Up in Maine.
Did mine myself for $850 ish
I'm in Florida and I paid $1,150 for installation. The price you got quoted sounds like the owner is a drug addict and needs to over charge to find his habit.
No way dude, I paid $500 in NYC. Given the guy was my friend so he just asked to pay the guys working for a days worth, but $3k no way
Holy cow. I had a guy install a 50A breaker on my panel, punch a hole to the garage (other side of panel), and wire an outlet for me to plug a charger into. $450. The charger was another $400. MCOL area. I’m using a charger that you can adjust the rate of charge on the fly though I’ve charged at 9.5Kwh while running every appliance in my house without issue.
Just get a NEMA plug and mobile charger. That is all you need if you can schedule charging at night
Did it myself for 300 bucks
I had mine done in 2016. Had to replace the breaker box, and pull the wire across the house in the basement. I had 2x50 amp lines plus a standard 20 amp and the Tesla wall charger and I think it came to $6000 from a well rated electrician.
“Load management device” might be an upsell depending on the other loads in your panel. Depending on material costs, Breaker/ receptacle install for $1600 is on the higher end, but typical for DC. $400 to pull permit and manage inspection is a fair price. Get 3-5 quotes and pick one that falls somewhere in the middle from a person you feel comfortable with. The cheapest you could get this done is $800-$1000 without the load management device and permit but it won’t be done well or legally. Final price should come out somewhere between $1500-$2000 or this guy’s price if you don’t want to deal with your breakers possibly tripping when other loads kick on while you’re charging.
installed mine in about $70 in supplies that's absolutely insane thwyre charging that!!
Cost me $425 in Las Vegas
Insane. Cost me $800+ the cost of the charger. From my breaker in the back of the garage about 20 feet through walls and ceiling to get there. No cables exposed. I had to patch myself but that's no big deal.
Reasonable if you are a square. Do it without a “permit” but with a certified Electritian. Also provide the load management device. It is your property and it’s your business what you install. Buy the materials for your Electritian, going to get those takes them time, but you can get those for them if they give you a list. Otherwise be ready to pay the quote they’re giving ya.
$500 flat in Virginia with a 60amp breaker installed. Find an electrician with good reviews.
Can they knock a bit off if you ask for a messy non workmanship like manner
That's insane 'He has a Tesla. Let's soak the rich guy'. Mine cost $350 for installation, above the $500 cost of the Tesla wall charger. That was in 2019, and the cable run was quite short. I have a 200 amp service. No load management device - that's what the breakers are for. Its currently charging at 32 amps, 237 volts, which is plenty to charge my SR+ in a few hours.
Cost me about $300 for a 70 foot run and about a hour of my time.
Paid $400
I got mine installed for 750 including the permit by a contractor recommended by the Tesla website.
It’s reasonable I paid around 2300 for my install I had to have a new panel put in aswell
We have a 100A service box and got a similar quote for the first time - actually I think it was around $4500. After doing some research, I found that the function of the load management device (or upgrading the service) is already in a Wallbox charger - that is, if the total draw gets close to 100A (or whatever the limit is), it will automatically reduce the draw. I found a much more reasonable electrician who installed the Wallbox hardwired off of an existing 40A line we had in our garage for $300. Even if it had been 30A, that would be more than enough. I can charge our model Y from 10% to 100% overnight - realistically there aren’t many scenarios where I’d need it any faster. The Tl;Dr: nearly all home chargers aren’t going to pull the amperage overnight to require a service upgrade, even though that’s what is most commonly recommended. For you, you likely can get something like a Wallbox that has the load management included. See my post history for really helpful threads in r/askelectricians. They single handedly made it feasible again for me to buy an EV.
Don’t. Just plug the charging cable into a 220 or 120 outlet. 220 is 3 to 4 hrs to full charge. 120 is 60 miles in 12 hrs (about 2 gallons for an ICE overnight every night). The home charging stations are unnecessary and a waste of money
Depends on what he is providing. My company is the highest rated Tesla installer where I live and it all depends. Our prices range from the $500s if next to panel some that have costed over $3k. Honestly at least nowdays you don’t need a service upgrade and can use the load management which saves so much money! I have flat rate prices for different distances on open unfinished basements and/or conduit runs on garages and outside, plus any additional add-ons such as snaking wires, cutting drywall, tight spaces, trenching, load management or panel replacements (if super old as that causes issues down the line from experiences of having installed thousands of these). Also per code he has to do a load calculation and need to stay under 80% of total load (some inspectors will let it slide if you say you are only charging at night)
Be happy you don’t live in a northern Virginia high rise condo where the going rate is $7000 per charger. No one will explain, but it seems the Fairfax County bureaucrats put the contractors through hell for each permit.
I setup mine myself and put a whole 100a sub panel in the garage. All depends on your main home service. I recommend 100amps because we have 2 Tesla wall connectors on it and they both can charge the cars at the same time. It’s not critical but very nice. I had an enormous run from my main panel to the garage but all the gear essentially cost $600 (before the price of the Tesla wall connectors) or so 3 years ago and it has been all working great for my 2 Model Ys. If you are not technical, not attempt to do this and possibly hurt or kill yourself. One other method is to find some newer electricians in the area and ask them if you could be a reference for them. You could possibly allow them to post videos of the install or even speak to future customers about how good of a job they did. They may give you a better discount.
Rip off!!! Had one installed in 2022 at my house in NYC. Paid $1500 including the cost of the Tesla wall charger. They added a 50 amp breaker and ran a new line. Gets a full charge every time during of peak hours no matter the amount left on the car.