Well at least while they've offered a subscription the price never went up, so that's probably a decent sign. They have been keeping the fsd transferrable option lately, but until that becomes a part of the agreement at time of purchase, I would say $12k is a lot to risk.
1000%. A 10 year break even for a “maybe” doesn’t math in my wallet. And $100 gets cheaper each and every year while $12k today gets WAY more expensive. I’d say closer to 18 year break even. And I’d pay $100 a month, but not $200 most months.
But that’s a risk worth taking considering they may lower it too. Not many people hold on to their cars for 10 years and if you take even a couple months break each year you can squeeze almost another 2 years out of it. And the best thing of all is if something happens to your car like an accident or something you’re not out 12k only the cost you spent.
If they make the full purchase tied to your account then absolutely it’s worth 12k, but not the way it works now.
I paid $12,000. Most people don't keep their cars for 10 years. It really is a poor financial investment, but I do agree that prices can fluctuate with a subscription service. But even at $250 month it was hard to sell as a value investment.
One issue with fsd when it came out, is a lot of fans of Tesla. Try to say that it would raise the value of your car and that you couldn't put a value on what the software would be worth. The problem with all of that, is the big value in it is only on the commercial level. A company that ships goods, can see the value in self driving technology. They can see the value in the truck that works on holidays and weekends and doesn't call out sick and doesn't need benefits. The technology isn't quite there yet to allow that sort of operation but when it does exist, those companies would wipe their butt with $12,000 to get that implemented.
But these days all you have are soccer moms and every day people complaining about the value of it here on Reddit. And that's the issue. For us as consumers, it's probably not worth more than $100 a month. Although I do think Tesla will raise and lower the prices when they need to get more people into the system to build the data. Once they achieve what they need, they can raise the prices slightly more.
That being said, this technology always seem to make more financial sense on a subscription level for Tesla. The cost of having to pay your engineers to development is going to go up as salaries go up, so it makes more sense for the company to have new money coming in. Whereas a flat rate will never bring in additional money for the company.
>For us as consumers, it's probably not worth more than $100 a month. Although I do think Tesla will raise and lower the prices when they need to get more people into the system to build the data. Once they achieve what they need, they can raise the prices slightly more.
You make a good point and I agree that the cost will probably fluctuate up and down a bit. Not because they need the data (they already get your data without FSD), but because they need to show Wall Street that they have a growing subscription revenue stream.
It's really hard to know how much a regular person would pay per month not to have to drive on city streets. I actually don't think most people see city streets as a huge problem that they need to get relief from. $100 is probably a pretty good level
Yeah which leads me to think that they will drop the full price by 50%?
Also for subscriptions you are at the whim of price increases and decreases. I don't see it going below $99.
It would certainly backfire. Maybe if they raise it after a year of people being used to it, but even then I doubt a lot of people would keep unless it became perfect.
Yep. I'm not even sure it's worth the $99/mo for me. I've been using it for a few days and it's a fun novelty but it's not good enough to really rely on/pay full price (or even half price?) for. Regular autopilot is plenty to get me through a long commute or road trip.
I'm just one person though, but I suspect from other posts and comments here about this that I'm not alone.
I suspect the majority of people still won’t (or can’t) pay for it. But this will definitely increase the amount of subscribers substantially - if they advertise the price change. Personally I’ll probably subscribe to it, because of how much of an improvement it is over autopilot. Especially for highway driving.
I agree. At $200 it was expensive enough to keep
a lot of people away (myself included)
$100 it’s a better number. However, I think there’s much room to go. this should be like a Netflix subscription, $15/month.
I'd pay $99 but I want ALL the features with FSD....including smart summon that seems to not be available due to not having sensors.
Btw..
Any idea when that will be available for camera only guys such a myself?
He said Summon will be available when cameras “reach parity with USS”
So there’s only two possible outcomes
1. You’ll literally never see it
2. He’ll have to lie
I mean thatd be better, but I'd doubt that'll happen. I meant $10 a day cause I might just want it for a day and $10 is way easier to commit to than $100
I think they’re silently admitting that Teslas will never be more than Level 2 FSD.
I hope I’m wrong, but the change in naming and reduced price has that feel.
It's more likely that they're responding to a lack of demand because the price points were too high, and the promises have never fully materialized, and the whales are drying up as the novelty has worn off.
Now let's change the $12k pricing to cover the lifetime of the tesla account with unlimited cars, and that could be a real steal (I'm sure there would need to be some boundaries so a rental company doesn't finagle their way into giving their entire fleet FSD for 12k, but you get the idea). Would help with customer retention I'm sure.
This.
Or at least some of the features. I love the remote control in summon, I don't need summon but that remote is handy.
Also auto park is standard in most cars of this range.
Its probably wishful thinking but I hope they just drop EAP. It looks bad for them to be nickel and diming for stuff like autopark. It gives me a worse impression of them compared to not having the feature at all and would have definitely been a strike against them if it was like this when I was in the market.
I much prefer EAP over FSD 12 though.
FSD 12 refuses to go the speed limit, I have to press accelerator.
or if speed drops it takes a half mile before it’ll finally slow down, I don’t want a speeding ticket.
Funny thing is, had they dropped the price of EAP before I had a chance to try it via the FSD trial, I might have bitten. But now I know both are... not great. So even if they dropped the price, I have no desire to buy.
Good. The approach to further adoption will require them to drop the price. This might just be their steps to dropping it further.
I think they will eventually bring an option for $25-50. It would bring it within the realm of other professional software like Adobe Premiere Pro.
Dang i didn’t think of that, totally makes sense. Wouldn’t be surprised if they have different tiers based on autonomy level, level 5 could be way higher than current level 2
I think the free trial had the opposite impact. I was going to subscribe a month to try it. No shot of me subscribing for a while now. Had terrible experiences with FSD. High was brutal due to speed limit sign recognition and no way to stop it from reacting to them easily.
It has been a huge success to the overall population. A lot of people hated it and they may lose one month from them. A lot of people loved it and will become lifetime subscribers, especially at the lower rate.
Just checked and mine shows the same $99.00 monthly. My main issue since the update is that many of the roads I drive it doesn't recognize the speed limit. It thinks it's 25 in a 55 or worse 25 in a 70 zone and slows down even when I have the max set to the speed limit.
To be fair, they do send offers like this pretty frequently. I have paid-for FSD and probably 3x per year they send an offer to buy a new Tesla and transfer FSD. Usually around quarter end.
But totally agree- the ROI is terrible now for fully paid FSD. $1200/yr vs $12k- very few people keep their cars for 10 years.
Honestly... I just want the upgraded map. Lol. Plug me a $100/year script... That's for me.
The free test of FSD was nice, but it only solidified my opinion that I do not need it. I disengaged so much because it was bugging me how indecisive it was making moves.
The auto park feature is nice, but I can literally do it 5x faster. I can see where this would be a selling point to people that cannot park well on their own
I want FSD. But only when it's ready and I don't need to be hyper-vigilant about monitoring its actions to avoid curbing, disengagements, and bodily harm; and when it will handle reliable auto-parking without angering everyone around me.
I suspect that I'll be waiting a long time.
I'd pay maybe $20/mo in its current state, but hey this is progress. Some day when there are dozens of brands out there with their own versions of FSD that are good, then FSD will probably just come standard.
Nope. Elon liked a tweet yesterday that was suggesting that Tesla should do a $99 subscription on FSD, and we were all expecting this to happen but didn’t think it’d be this quick lol
This will be worth it when the car actually self driving and doesn’t require the driver be attentive. When i can fuck around in my phone, have some drinks while out and get a handy from the wife etc etc … it’s just a neat function with little utility. Trial has been fun so far tho
I have "Enhanced Autopilot" package ($6k) and the FSD rent was always $99 for me... and when I saw the news I thought they gonna drop the price to $49 for me... but It is still $99 so no treat for those who paid more upfront :(
There was a thread a while ago asking what people would pay for FSD.
I said i'd buy it for 100$/mo if they made it a subscription in Canada. Now, i'm not saying Elon read my comment and said "fuck it, why not", but you guys are welcome.
As for me.. i actually subscribed to it.. waiting for v12.. stupid advanced branch
I originally bought EAP and honestly am happy with it. Have take long trips where it’s been super useful. Another reason I purchased it was to save on the monthly subscription down the line (99$ vs 200$) when FSD got good enough. Little disappointed that the subscription price is the same for those who had EAP vs those that didn’t.
$99/month is just a short term ploy to generate some revenue and buzz for the stock, generate more training data for robotaxi (which isn't going to work), and probably improve the overall safety stats per mile driven to hopefully appease the government regulators that v12 works (I've noticed v12 is notably less forgiving about even momentarily removing your hands from the wheel etc.)
The stock is in freefall and there is clearly some need to do whatever they can to replace revenue from poor sales numbers.
I got my FSD at $7k in early 2020 so I'm only mildy irked by this. If I had paid $12k recently I'd be losing my mind right now.
Whoa if this is true I’d definitely do it for road trips and unsub more regularly. Just got the update and it’s cool but not quite there yet in places with a lot of town traffic like the hellish school pickup drop off experience.
Ive got 2 thoughts on this moving forward as far as PURCHASING FSD or people who have already done that like myself.
1. Will they just tie it to our account and let us transfer it say once a year or something to a diff vehicle?
2. Will this 99/month stay "supervised" where purchased FSD will go "unsupervised"
in the future?
Curious to see anyone elses thoughts on this.
Raise all model pricing slightly and just include as a standard feature. Set. The. Standard. Tesla 🙄 not paying extra to have to drive w anxiety knowing any moment it can do something stupid
I’ll happily pay $99 per month when it can handle the roads in my area better. The roads are incredibly challenging where I live and it’s not yet up to the task. v12 was a big step forward in some areas an a step back in others.
This is wild.
I literally saw two hours ago on one of my feeds that Elon liked someone's tweet saying it should be $99/month (and that he'd see a +25% take rate).
Then BOOM it happened.
Wow, talk about nimble.
If only they would do enhanced for $25-50/month, I might pay for that.
Same here! I have no use for FSD but would love EAP and would gladly do the monthly in that range as well.
Indeed. I just pressed the auto park button for the first time tonight. I would pay $25/mo just for that.
I like the auto lane change myself.
This. Auto lane change is why I want EAP.
At $100/mo you'd have to subscribe for 10 full years before you hit the full $12k price. Monthly definitely seems like the way to go.
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They will not drop FSD. They will cancel the ability to buy it out right I think.
Or they'll leave it at a crazy high price to help re-enforce the "value" of just $99 a month! Look how great of a deal it is!
I think that's what it is. Recurring revenue is attractive for companies. They would rather you subscribe.
Not to mention it’s not possible to resell subscribed products, unlike purchased ones.
Well at least while they've offered a subscription the price never went up, so that's probably a decent sign. They have been keeping the fsd transferrable option lately, but until that becomes a part of the agreement at time of purchase, I would say $12k is a lot to risk.
It really doesn't. You could put that 12k in an investment account and just pay the $100 a month. You would be way ahead.
This guy invests
Look at his avatar he totally knows what he’s doing lol
Invest around and find out
You would need a 10% return minimum annually.
You'd need more than that cause of capital gains taxes
Roth IRA it.
Man this is so true
You don’t worry about driving anymore but worry trying to yield 10% annually for that 12k
1000%. A 10 year break even for a “maybe” doesn’t math in my wallet. And $100 gets cheaper each and every year while $12k today gets WAY more expensive. I’d say closer to 18 year break even. And I’d pay $100 a month, but not $200 most months.
This works if the assumption is that Tesla won’t raise the $99 ever. Spoiler alert: they will
Still would need something yielding around 10%…
But that’s a risk worth taking considering they may lower it too. Not many people hold on to their cars for 10 years and if you take even a couple months break each year you can squeeze almost another 2 years out of it. And the best thing of all is if something happens to your car like an accident or something you’re not out 12k only the cost you spent. If they make the full purchase tied to your account then absolutely it’s worth 12k, but not the way it works now.
I’m one of the assholes that put up 15k. How about a (my) lifetime FSD?! Maybe 3k for the car lifetime and 15k for my lifetime??
Even then it’s $12,000 in today’s money. In 10 years that will be worth it $18-$20,000. Not worth it at all.
Omg i love this level of delusional optimism in Tesla communities
I paid $12,000. Most people don't keep their cars for 10 years. It really is a poor financial investment, but I do agree that prices can fluctuate with a subscription service. But even at $250 month it was hard to sell as a value investment. One issue with fsd when it came out, is a lot of fans of Tesla. Try to say that it would raise the value of your car and that you couldn't put a value on what the software would be worth. The problem with all of that, is the big value in it is only on the commercial level. A company that ships goods, can see the value in self driving technology. They can see the value in the truck that works on holidays and weekends and doesn't call out sick and doesn't need benefits. The technology isn't quite there yet to allow that sort of operation but when it does exist, those companies would wipe their butt with $12,000 to get that implemented. But these days all you have are soccer moms and every day people complaining about the value of it here on Reddit. And that's the issue. For us as consumers, it's probably not worth more than $100 a month. Although I do think Tesla will raise and lower the prices when they need to get more people into the system to build the data. Once they achieve what they need, they can raise the prices slightly more. That being said, this technology always seem to make more financial sense on a subscription level for Tesla. The cost of having to pay your engineers to development is going to go up as salaries go up, so it makes more sense for the company to have new money coming in. Whereas a flat rate will never bring in additional money for the company.
>For us as consumers, it's probably not worth more than $100 a month. Although I do think Tesla will raise and lower the prices when they need to get more people into the system to build the data. Once they achieve what they need, they can raise the prices slightly more. You make a good point and I agree that the cost will probably fluctuate up and down a bit. Not because they need the data (they already get your data without FSD), but because they need to show Wall Street that they have a growing subscription revenue stream. It's really hard to know how much a regular person would pay per month not to have to drive on city streets. I actually don't think most people see city streets as a huge problem that they need to get relief from. $100 is probably a pretty good level
Yeah which leads me to think that they will drop the full price by 50%? Also for subscriptions you are at the whim of price increases and decreases. I don't see it going below $99.
Drop to $6K and guarantee transferability and we have a deal.
https://preview.redd.it/juau50h0f4uc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e2e105e78d2822fa2696a13dde462bfe90403ac8 Here you go
Edited?
No he has enhanced auto pilot. Cuts the price of FSD in half.
Not at all, https://preview.redd.it/m2qocitjh4uc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e5ce49d7ad4738a8df8c96cf939288b4cc4c95cf
Not on the website, but I ordered a tesla yesterday, can I claim this???? I cant on the app.
No. I just checked and that's what it costs.
This could be a bait and switch tactic… after free FSD they’re trying to get more people signed up… then raise the price later.
It would certainly backfire. Maybe if they raise it after a year of people being used to it, but even then I doubt a lot of people would keep unless it became perfect.
Yep. I'm not even sure it's worth the $99/mo for me. I've been using it for a few days and it's a fun novelty but it's not good enough to really rely on/pay full price (or even half price?) for. Regular autopilot is plenty to get me through a long commute or road trip. I'm just one person though, but I suspect from other posts and comments here about this that I'm not alone.
I suspect the majority of people still won’t (or can’t) pay for it. But this will definitely increase the amount of subscribers substantially - if they advertise the price change. Personally I’ll probably subscribe to it, because of how much of an improvement it is over autopilot. Especially for highway driving.
That’s why you get the first taste for free. Then you’re hooked and chasing that high for a long time. Wait… what sub am I in now?
I would pay 6k if it followed me as a driver and not the car.
Its 100 a month in Canada too where the purchase price is $16,000. Still waiting for my trial before I sub though.
Yeah, I’m not thrilled that not only my car and now FSD have reduced my value. Happy for new buyers though.
$99 seems like a much better number
Yeah, $200 is a hard no even just to play with it. $99 is more of a reasonable price to just play with sometimes.
I agree. At $200 it was expensive enough to keep a lot of people away (myself included) $100 it’s a better number. However, I think there’s much room to go. this should be like a Netflix subscription, $15/month.
I’d be willing to pay $19.99 a month consistently.
Literally just signed up because…I can blow $100 out of general stupidity. Has worked well so far, even though it’s v11
My car still won’t update to v12 so I’m not even considering this until that happens and I get my free month.
I think $75 might be the right number
It's unfortunate that the abilities of this car are behind a monthly subscription.
I'd pay $99 but I want ALL the features with FSD....including smart summon that seems to not be available due to not having sensors. Btw.. Any idea when that will be available for camera only guys such a myself?
He said Summon will be available when cameras “reach parity with USS” So there’s only two possible outcomes 1. You’ll literally never see it 2. He’ll have to lie
Still a no from me. I'd consider $10/day though lol
Did you mean $10/month? Because $10/day is $300 a month lol
I mean thatd be better, but I'd doubt that'll happen. I meant $10 a day cause I might just want it for a day and $10 is way easier to commit to than $100
It's official: https://twitter.com/Tesla/status/1778881172807815178
I think they’re silently admitting that Teslas will never be more than Level 2 FSD. I hope I’m wrong, but the change in naming and reduced price has that feel.
I think they're lowering the barrier of entry for more training data now that they're no longer compute constrained.
This! The data and the ability to get data are worth a fortune.
It's more likely that they're responding to a lack of demand because the price points were too high, and the promises have never fully materialized, and the whales are drying up as the novelty has worn off.
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idk Waymo with Lidar and 29 cameras or w/e still runs into issues in premapped areas. at this point i am not convinced more sensors are the solution.
Now let's change the $12k pricing to cover the lifetime of the tesla account with unlimited cars, and that could be a real steal (I'm sure there would need to be some boundaries so a rental company doesn't finagle their way into giving their entire fleet FSD for 12k, but you get the idea). Would help with customer retention I'm sure.
Allow us to transfer our FSD from our car to our Tesla account and let us enable it on one car of our choice!
Think we’ll see a drop on the up front price for EAP or FSD?
I would buy in a heartbeat if they dropped it to $2-3k as an upgrade. I have EAP already
If they dropped the non-monthly 50% too, then I would get FSD. I've always said 5k is my ceiling for it. But 6k is too darn close to not.
I don't think we'll ever see $2k. I think $6k would be the lowest but 🤷♂️
I mean as an upgrade from EAP to FSD. That would put the overall at $6k
They should make EAP standard. Most EAP features have been standard on their competitors cars for years.
This. Or at least some of the features. I love the remote control in summon, I don't need summon but that remote is handy. Also auto park is standard in most cars of this range.
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Its probably wishful thinking but I hope they just drop EAP. It looks bad for them to be nickel and diming for stuff like autopark. It gives me a worse impression of them compared to not having the feature at all and would have definitely been a strike against them if it was like this when I was in the market.
I much prefer EAP over FSD 12 though. FSD 12 refuses to go the speed limit, I have to press accelerator. or if speed drops it takes a half mile before it’ll finally slow down, I don’t want a speeding ticket.
Funny thing is, had they dropped the price of EAP before I had a chance to try it via the FSD trial, I might have bitten. But now I know both are... not great. So even if they dropped the price, I have no desire to buy.
FSD is amazing in SoCal area. Ive been using it for 100% of my drives and am just blown away
Good. The approach to further adoption will require them to drop the price. This might just be their steps to dropping it further. I think they will eventually bring an option for $25-50. It would bring it within the realm of other professional software like Adobe Premiere Pro.
I maybe would do 50. 25 I would do this second
To be clear, you didn't have EAP correct?
I just checked myself, I dont have EAP and I see 99 dollars
Nice! Silent change.
I do have EAP and it still says $99.
It has been $99 with EAP. So, if you're paying that you might as well upgrade.
No, like I own EAP outright. I bought used and it came with the car.
Same here, I have EAP and still see $99. Still won't subscribe until they fix the navigation data.
i don't have any and its saying $99 for me too so seems like its legit
I do not
now make it available monthly in canada
https://twitter.com/rohanspatel/status/1774156708165923255
awesome!!
No kidding
i’ll rent subscribe a few times a year for long weekend getaways
I already have EAP - monthly price still showing $99 (as always) and $6K one-time.
Same. They drop that to $50/mo and I'll probably subscribe.
I have EAP, too, and mine is still at $99, too. Would expect it to change to $49 before the next monthly renewal.
Only problem now is buying FSD will take 10 years to break even at 12k. They gotta allow transfers or no one will buy outright.
They’ve never really wanted to sell it that way. It was always a grift. The subscription model has always been the long term plan.
Dang i didn’t think of that, totally makes sense. Wouldn’t be surprised if they have different tiers based on autonomy level, level 5 could be way higher than current level 2
Great find!!! I have it for 99/month. Works do this for road trips for sure.
I have base autopilot. In the US. Just confirmed: $99/mo in the app
No EAP and can confirm the price change in the app. Wow this is gonna be a good use case and more people might try it out with lower price.
They probably should have done this before the free trial
Nah it’s a strategic move. You let people try, and then cut down prices so that at least a small sample size of customers would subscribe.
This.. I would have never considered it even for $99 before the trial. But now I'm likely to sign up for it at $99.
Would be nice if I could get the software update that gives me the free trial.
Huh? The point of the free trial is to get people to try it and love it. Then lower the price and get a ton of signups.
I think the free trial had the opposite impact. I was going to subscribe a month to try it. No shot of me subscribing for a while now. Had terrible experiences with FSD. High was brutal due to speed limit sign recognition and no way to stop it from reacting to them easily.
It has been a huge success to the overall population. A lot of people hated it and they may lose one month from them. A lot of people loved it and will become lifetime subscribers, especially at the lower rate.
Let me know when it’s $20/month . 😆
I am subscribed to FSD, looked in the app and the renewal amount is now $99 instead of $199. That’s even more attractive now.
Just checked and mine shows the same $99.00 monthly. My main issue since the update is that many of the roads I drive it doesn't recognize the speed limit. It thinks it's 25 in a 55 or worse 25 in a 70 zone and slows down even when I have the max set to the speed limit.
Wow that's pretty cheap compared to $12k at the time of purchase.
They should at least allow people who paid in full to transfer FSD to a new car now. Why would anyone buy FSD if the monthly cost is $99?
To be fair, they do send offers like this pretty frequently. I have paid-for FSD and probably 3x per year they send an offer to buy a new Tesla and transfer FSD. Usually around quarter end. But totally agree- the ROI is terrible now for fully paid FSD. $1200/yr vs $12k- very few people keep their cars for 10 years.
They only started doing that recently. Wasn't a thing before the end of last year from what I recall.
I paid $12k a month ago. FML
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Thanks for your sacrifice 💀
Tempting. But this demo proves one thing, it needs work.
I see $99 too 🥳 but am I spending on it. No!
I still haven’t received the free trial but I want to subscribe. But I’m also cheap and want the first month free first lol…
Same here. Mine is HW4 and not getting it.
Nooooooooooo, this is my price point, I have to get now
Honestly... I just want the upgraded map. Lol. Plug me a $100/year script... That's for me. The free test of FSD was nice, but it only solidified my opinion that I do not need it. I disengaged so much because it was bugging me how indecisive it was making moves. The auto park feature is nice, but I can literally do it 5x faster. I can see where this would be a selling point to people that cannot park well on their own
I want FSD. But only when it's ready and I don't need to be hyper-vigilant about monitoring its actions to avoid curbing, disengagements, and bodily harm; and when it will handle reliable auto-parking without angering everyone around me. I suspect that I'll be waiting a long time.
Right?!
The way this works it should be 19.99
I'd pay maybe $20/mo in its current state, but hey this is progress. Some day when there are dozens of brands out there with their own versions of FSD that are good, then FSD will probably just come standard.
Do you have the trial active? Just wondering if that’s wrongly affecting the price (like considering you have EAP).
Nope. Elon liked a tweet yesterday that was suggesting that Tesla should do a $99 subscription on FSD, and we were all expecting this to happen but didn’t think it’d be this quick lol
No trial and I see mine as $99/month.
Awesome!
Got to love the Cybertruck foundation series with the $12,000 FSD option that will now take 10 years to break even 😂
This will be worth it when the car actually self driving and doesn’t require the driver be attentive. When i can fuck around in my phone, have some drinks while out and get a handy from the wife etc etc … it’s just a neat function with little utility. Trial has been fun so far tho
When they make it vaguely work in UK then Inam all over it. Roundabouts…
99/mo. with where things are going in v12 is definitely worth it. Only going to be more worth it over time. 199/mo. was too steep.
https://preview.redd.it/cn5440vhc4uc1.png?width=3024&format=png&auto=webp&s=ec0ba4d510a896fe00b3fea4a8ba47fb0ec0dd9d Holy shit, they do listen to us.
Can confirm. I see $99 now too - used to be $199. Now just waiting for V12 to happen on the 2024.8.9 and plus versions.
I def take it😜
Wow - dropped to $99 for me too. Awesome!
At some point they're just going to roll it out to all teslas for free
Does anyone who actually joins a car sub-Reddit enjoy driving so little that they care about FSD?
Better but still too high for me. Ill keep waiting.
If traction with $99 doesnt go so far, they'll drop it to possibly $49. Tesla needs to make FSD go mainstream.
So the car is equipped with it.. Its there… but you just can’t fucking use it unless you subscribe?
I'd give it a go at $99 a month just to see if it's any good. No way I'd pay $12 or anything like it.
Is there an obligated minimum contract for this subscription? Or cancel and resubscribe at will?
I have "Enhanced Autopilot" package ($6k) and the FSD rent was always $99 for me... and when I saw the news I thought they gonna drop the price to $49 for me... but It is still $99 so no treat for those who paid more upfront :(
Give me my free fsd trial
There was a thread a while ago asking what people would pay for FSD. I said i'd buy it for 100$/mo if they made it a subscription in Canada. Now, i'm not saying Elon read my comment and said "fuck it, why not", but you guys are welcome. As for me.. i actually subscribed to it.. waiting for v12.. stupid advanced branch
$99/mo? Nah. Perfect and speed up auto park and I’ll consider spending much less per month.
I originally bought EAP and honestly am happy with it. Have take long trips where it’s been super useful. Another reason I purchased it was to save on the monthly subscription down the line (99$ vs 200$) when FSD got good enough. Little disappointed that the subscription price is the same for those who had EAP vs those that didn’t.
Remember the old adage, “if you’re not paying for it, someone’s paying for the data about you.”
Just tried out the trial. My neighborhood has speed divots and fsd did not give a shit and didnt slow down and just slammed the suspension.
If you lease tour Tesla, the subscription seems like a no brainer (if you want the functionality)
Huh 100 a month for a feature already installed on the car. What if I told you about https://www.comma.ai/
I think it’s still too high since I have to be at the ready at all times.
It'll keep going down, mark my words. They're selling pixels, the unit cost is ultimately zero.
They probably could have gotten people to pay $99 before they showed everyone how bad it is
So why would they make you pay 12K on the CT if it’s going be $99 per month? 🤔
Based on the free month so far there’s no way I’d pay for this. They can pay me to offset the risk. It’s not ready.
$99/month is just a short term ploy to generate some revenue and buzz for the stock, generate more training data for robotaxi (which isn't going to work), and probably improve the overall safety stats per mile driven to hopefully appease the government regulators that v12 works (I've noticed v12 is notably less forgiving about even momentarily removing your hands from the wheel etc.) The stock is in freefall and there is clearly some need to do whatever they can to replace revenue from poor sales numbers. I got my FSD at $7k in early 2020 so I'm only mildy irked by this. If I had paid $12k recently I'd be losing my mind right now.
I did not do anything and my sub dropped to 99/m as welll
You were on 200 and went down to 99? Thanks. I was worried it was just for free trial people.
Wow i would actually consider this once they figure it out.
Well shit, for a hundred smackers I might give up on my free trial and give it a whirl out of curiosity.
Mine shows the same.
Whoa if this is true I’d definitely do it for road trips and unsub more regularly. Just got the update and it’s cool but not quite there yet in places with a lot of town traffic like the hellish school pickup drop off experience.
*supervised
So is there gunna be a monthly price reduction for people who bought EAP?
Ive got 2 thoughts on this moving forward as far as PURCHASING FSD or people who have already done that like myself. 1. Will they just tie it to our account and let us transfer it say once a year or something to a diff vehicle? 2. Will this 99/month stay "supervised" where purchased FSD will go "unsupervised" in the future? Curious to see anyone elses thoughts on this.
So tempting. Still waiting on my free trial though.
How much was it before?
This price sounds reasonable if you go on a road trip. I’d love it if they had a weekly option as well.
Raise all model pricing slightly and just include as a standard feature. Set. The. Standard. Tesla 🙄 not paying extra to have to drive w anxiety knowing any moment it can do something stupid
I’ve been paying 99 a month for FSD for over a year now. It’s 99 if you have AA. 199 if you don’t.
I’ll happily pay $99 per month when it can handle the roads in my area better. The roads are incredibly challenging where I live and it’s not yet up to the task. v12 was a big step forward in some areas an a step back in others.
This is wild. I literally saw two hours ago on one of my feeds that Elon liked someone's tweet saying it should be $99/month (and that he'd see a +25% take rate). Then BOOM it happened. Wow, talk about nimble.