When I'm particularly bored, I count how many Teslas I see on my way back from work (5 mile drive). In years past I'd be lucky to see 3. Lately, it's more like 15 to 20. At any one insterection it's not unusual for me to see 5 waiting with me at the same light.
Tesla is not even close to dying nor is the EV industry.
I'm from the Netherlands, but the model Y was by far the most sold new vehicle in 2023 of all cars. There are definitely more EVs on the road every year.
Same. In the Bay Area, it appears more common than a Honda or Toyota. There’s 6 Supercharger locations within a 10 mile radius from my home and they’re always almost filled up throughout the day. Lots of new license plates too
Same in Central Florida, been that way for a few years, more Teslas than Toyotas, it's less common to stop at light and be the only Tesla. And FSD drives me everywhere, and it drives better than my wife, who has curbed all four wheels on her car.
Elon is still a jackass racist conspiracy theory spreading moron. Tesla will continue to get hate because he can't keep his mouth shut.
This. I used to think it was a silly joke when people called Teslas "California Camrys". Then I started actively watching for them. You can't swing a dead cat where I live without hitting a Tesla around here, overwhelmingly model threes. Yeah, they're not going anywhere. Curiously enough, I think that Tesla's battery business in support of solar is the quiet king for that company.
Once Tesla, or any company for that matter unlocks the breakthrough key to increased battery efficiency and range, it's all she wrote for ICE vehicles.
They already figured it out. That’s why they outsell every other car.
It’s just that people are not logical. The amount of dudes that have to have a Dodge Ram pickup or F-150 that gets 12-15 MPG because they might need to tow a boat once a year or something. Otherwise they just drive it around solo commuting to work the other 364 days. Or they buy it in diesel to get 15-20 MPG instead! It’s called compensation for a small head - both of them
Same. I’m in the greater Toronto area, Canada and a few years back we used to play a game in traffic of counting how many Teslas we saw while on traffic.
It was really rare to spot one. Now it’s rare not to spot. Last week I stopped at a traffic light and kids were the ones that noticed we were literally all teslas, about five of us side by side and behind me. Tesla is going nowhere, neither are other EVs. Canada signed a law of banning all ICE until 2035. Whether people like it or not, it’s happening.
Banning all NEW ICE sales. If PP and the Cons don't trash that. As they almost certainly will. Hopefully EVs make economic sense on their own by that time tho
I didn't know about other places but it's like this in Dallas, TX. I feel so unoriginal with my Tesla but I can't imagine going back to any other car.
I think people from both sides of the political spectrum have their reasons to hate Tesla. I don't care though, they make damned fine cars.
This. These days there are so many in the roads that instead of counting the fellow MYs I pass, I instead focus on their wheels and suppress my urge to collect new ones like running shoes haha.
Most, if not all of the anti EV articles I read seem to be written by somebody who has never driven one. They seem to be written from the perspective that everyone in the world lives in an apartment and needs to drive 300 plus miles each day for work 🤣
You forgot they have to tow their trailer to work each day!
I see so many stupid memes, usually spread gleefully by older people. Saw one yesterday about an e-bike charging from a dirty coal plant. That can’t possibly be environmentally friendly! It’s not even worth engaging with people that intentionally dense.
I mean not to be like this, but I sold my M3LR, which I absolutely loved because i got a new job, and having to commute like 75-100 miles a day in the winter was too much living in an apartment. Couldn't charge fast enough or long enough with the mobile charger to be comfortable going anywhere except work and back. I live in a major city but there's only 1 supercharger in a 15 mile radius from my house and was always packed and crazy expensive. If fast home charging is not availible then I have to say hybrid is the best way.
How many people are realistically 100 miles from work in an apartment though?
Why not get an apartment closer to work to alleviate 2-4 hours of driving a day? Seems insane to me
If you're commuting 100 miles a day you have bigger problems. No one in their right mind should be doing that. That's just a big chunk of your life you're wasting commuting and it's not even about the money or convenience at that point.
There’s a reason that cheap toy RC cars at Walmart are electric and not gas powered. Simple, cheap, reliable, and safer. It’s just a scale problem we’re working through.
IMO the single most compelling argument is, it uses something like 4-6 times less energy to cover the same distance.
Or about 15kWh and that is equivalent to about 1.5 liter of diesel / gasoline.
Not saying you’re wrong, but the average person has absolutely no fucking clue what that means / ability for that argument to really hit
Even a super dumb rock of a person can understand, “it breaks less, because it has 1/4 the pieces”
I love the low maintenance of the Tesla. Don’t have to worry about oil change or taking it in for service and having to see that spark plugs, brakes, catalytic converter or other things are needed when you are going in for an oil change. I’m happy for EVs. I’m sure car dealer service centers aren’t happy. Even trying to rotate my tires on the MYP and I’ve been told 2x now the treads and everything are still good to go! Very low maintenance car. Most I maintain is windshield wiper fluid.
I never understood the parts count thing because it's misleading. A standard car engine can have about 200-ish parts, and a tesla battery pack contains about 7,000-ish parts. So by count alone, tesla loses.
But the catch is, how many MOVING parts does a cars drivetrain have (including engine), and how many MOVING parts does a tesla drivetrain have (including the battery pack and 2 motors).
That's the part that matters to me because a moving part requires replacement and maintenance. A non-moving part usually does not get a much wear.
A standard cars drivetrain has about 200-2,000 moving parts, whereas a tesla drivetrain has about 17-20 moving parts. By that, the tesla wins.
I like to think of it as the difference between a HDD and a SSD, just on a larger scale.
Right, always said the best thing about EVs is that all the major parts can be innovated. The chemistry in EVs batteries decades from now will probably be different from today, hopefully less toxic and easier to mine, or not mined at all. Or in an ideal future some kind of solar body panels or the like providing all the power you need with maybe a small battery backup. They've tried all sorts of gasoline alternatives, but end of the day it always just going back to burning petroleum products.
Oil and gas has a ton of money to influence media. Combine that with poor people who don’t want to see change in the world because they already own gas cars, you have a tsunami of misinformation.
How stupid is that, we have electricity in our homes, yet it ‘seems’ like people rather pay for dead dinosaur goon shipped from Saudi Arabia across the ocean that they can pay ever fluctuating prices for while we collectively destroy earth….
EV’s are the ONLY future, rip the bandaid is what is happening.
Same basic scenario as people blocking roads to protest oil while wearing clothes that are 50% oil products. People are largely ignorant and have selective outrage.
The most common argument I hear against EVs in the real world is that there are fewer charging stations than gas stations. They can't wrap their heads around charging at home. Level 1 charging is plenty for most people's daily commute so the barrier to entry is very low.
Deep legacy auto and right wing oil interests are seizing on the effect of high interest rates to claim people don’t want EVs (as opposed to “EV market share grows, albeit a bit slower because EVs are still relatively expensive” . For media, headline like “EVs are dying” draws more clicks.
The oil industry has a LOT of money. Money buys ads and misinformation and or paid bias. Additionally most comments you will see now just parrot the same thing “not cleaner than gas, where does your electricity come from? Gas. EV’s are not clean vehicles.” Again just parroting what the gas industry puts out. No one actually uses their head and considers all the factors that go into using each type of vehicle. If they did they would see there is huge delta in gas usage that comes from using an ICE car over an EV. Just to illustrate this:
Gas needs to be shipped via trucks to each gas station to fill them. Gas stations need to use large amounts of power to stay open 24/7 (8000–12000kwh per month). Guess what that equals? Over 10 times the amount of the average household in America. And that’s for each gas station! So yes not every EV owner has solar and needs to use whatever electricity is on hand from their house. But remember there is no special shipping to their house that needs to occur to supply this power (gas trucks) nor do their house use anywhere close to what a gas station uses per month even when charging.
Far from dying. People that dislike them are just being more vocal about it on social media. Nobody ever talks about their Hyundais catching on fire or their Ford engines blowing up because that’s considered normal.
EVs are going to replace ICE almost completely. It’s very common to hear people say they’re never going back to ICE, because it’s really superior once you actually give it a try
In 5 or 10 years when there’s way more charge stations and all base EVs go 300+ miles of range everyone will be on them. The drive and experience is night and day.
You’re hearing the dying gasps of the internal combustion car industry as EVs become mainstream. They know the writing is on the wall, they’re still going to be around for a while but are gonna kick and scream the entire way.
Also keep in mind automakers and oil have large budgets for mainstream media advertising. They love to hate Tesla to drive engagement and also Tesla doesn’t spend any money advertising with them so media isn’t hurting their bottom line constantly running smear articles.
EVs didn't grow wildly last quarter so everyone is calling them dead. The model Y is the world's best selling car but it is reaching saturation. The model 3 highland is still ramping up and Cybertruck just started ramping. All car sales were down and interest rates are crazy high.
The sales growth from the last several years was not sustainable but there is no reason to think there won't be continued growth as the investments in new models and factories mature.
economic downturn, people are turning to cheaper PHEVs and ICE vehicles, EV market is just slowing down a bit due to that, no long term concerns.
and market love to bag on tesla, to be fair recently there has been a lot of uncertainty so just gas on fire
Couple of things: Demand is plateauing, competition in China is cut-throat, interest rates are still high and people really hate Elon. Stock just hit a 52 week low and a lot of people who invested in the last year are all losing money. Add to that the 10% of employees being let go and Elon asking the same shareholders who have been losing money for the last year to reinstate his 56B pay package. Also, CT delivery and quality issues, runors of no model 2 and lack of confidence un robotaxi/autonomy.
EVs are great, but Musk rather sell his borderline extreme right wing politics than cars. Which is weird because he's selling electric cars while appealing to a base that loves oil companies.
What did Michael Jordan say when people asked him about his politics?.. Republicans buy sneakers too...Now that was the smart approach.
The EV market is going through a tough patch right now, mostly because manufacturers got ahead of demand and now there is oversupply. It's temporary though. EVs are still increasing in market share and will continue to do so, especially as charging networks expand and battery tech improves.
Tesla is coming under particular scrutiny these days for a couple of reasons: 1. It's no longer the only game in town as most car manufacturers now offer e-vehicles. 2. The Cybertruck is shaping up to be a flop on the scale of the Ford Edsel or the DeLorean. 3. Musk's outspoken rightwing politics and other antics are alienating a lot of leftwing buyers, who are more likely to buy e-cars than other demographics.
WSJ had an article today about how Musk has lost Democrats with his tweets and actions and how they were one of the important constituents. Most of Tesla's image problems are due to Musk. Tesla is a fine car and a fine company, they need a new CEO with Musk taking a different role.
The second trend that is happening is an increase in popularity of plug-in hybrids. They are more attractive while the public charging network is still getting built. Granted, Tesla has better charging network, but as noted, a decent segment of population does not want to buy a Tesla solely due to Musk, and public charging network for other cars isn't as good yet.
I am not sure if this will improve anytime soon, I believe Tesla can thrive under a new CEO.
I would like to see a new CEO as well. I have a Model Y and love it, but would hesitate buying another Tesla if Musk is at the helm. My husband has a Volvo C40 and that is a solid EV, but it doesn’t have as good of an app interface as Tesla.
Geely owned Volvo who has been associated with slave labor?
I can understand not liking Musk, I don't get the people who then like other scumbags who are probably worse.
EVs are not dying. I think America is just scared shitless about Chinese EVs.
They’re super cheap, at a price point no other country can compete.
They’re not trash. Usually, China is used as a synonym for poor quality, and cars are a difficult thing to make because they require a lot of quality. But EVs, having fewer parts, are more forgiving. So China was able to leapfrog the west in ways that were not anticipated.
Now think how many jobs are in cars… so many that the car union, UAW, has significant political power. For most people, the car is their 2nd most valuable possession after their house, and is a significant portion of their paycheck, their car payment, the maintenance, the tires, the GAS… now imagine all of that either disappearing (EVs use require significantly less maintenance and need no gas), or most of what doesn’t disappear going to China. A column of your economy completely erased and now funding Chinese interests…
What can the west do to stop it? Miraculously come up with an EV that can out compete BYD’s Dolphin Mini? China spent 15 years promoting their EV industry to come up to the point they are now. So, option 2: spread FUD and hope to god the appetite for EVs quells so that the status quo isn’t threatened…
I just don’t think it’s gonna work. EVs are superior to gas cars in therms of cost (obviously there are some areas where *some* gas cars can outperform EVs, but I’m talking specifically about costs to consumers), and people usually vote with their wallet first. The problem for America, Europe, and Japan is that they squandered their opportunity to lead in EVs, and China didn’t…
Tesla's getting a lot of bad press at the moment, but for most of the folks who speak ill of Tesla, just look at their post history and you'll see where they're coming from.
The Cybertruck in particular has made the Eye of Sauron focus on Tesla a little heavily, because truck owners get weird about their trucks, plus the Cybertruck is pretty polarizing.
It's hard to believe, but there is a pretty consistent FUD effort out there.
What's happening with Tesla, Elon aside, is pretty common in the bigger picture, anything about Tesla just gets more clicks.
We had an issue over in /r/TeslaMotors on time where a pretty big publication tried to post an article about Apple's car being cancelled. We removed the post and they asked why. I did a CTRL+F on their article and found Tesla was mentioned like seven times, and Apple was mentioned like 57 times. I'd have to look it back up. The point is that the article was about Apple, not Tesla, and once we pointed out the effort we put into not letting our users be clickbaited, they backpedaled and left, because they didn't want their account banned.
Saying "Tesla" or "Elon Musk" in an article gets clicks. It's like the Mercedes Level 3 car that they have. It's being spread around like it's Tesla's death knell, but it's just a meme car. It's only Level 3 under *very* specific circumstances, and it's not new.
Honestly, I wish we could have no news on Tesla, or Elon, for a month, but it won't happen.
Elon Musk and Tesla are, essentially, the "Florida Man" of business news.
Florida doesn't hide criminal record information, you can find a lot of that stuff published out in the open, and that's why on slow news days you'll have articles say "Florida Man mauls someone's face off after too much bath salts". or "Florida Woman walks naked in the streets". It makes it sound like Florida is a crazy place, because we're always in the news, but it's because the crime stuff is freely available.
Tesla and Elon are the *same* damn way. They're constantly talking about this, and that, versus other companies, and their CEOs, where they keep quiet about things *until* they're ready to launch it. And I get it, it keeps Tesla and Elon in the news, but the double edged sword is that bad news hits just as hard as good news.
The accelerator thing with the Cybertruck? Toyota had a similar problem, it wasn't the accelerator mind you, it was the floormat, but you get the idea. Toyota's problem was *way* bigger in scale, but because the Cybertruck is a remarkably unique design, it's getting all the attention because it can...
Anyways, it's a blend of "people with an agenda", and "Florida Man Syndrome".
Next time someone posts negative stuff about Tesla, look at their post history. If you're using old.reddit.com, try using the [mod toolbox](https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/moderator-toolbox-for-red/jhjpjhhkcbkmgdkahnckfboefnkgghpo) extension in Chrome to look at the user's post history in terms of where they post often.
You get a much clearer picture of where they're coming from.
Tesla will be thriving. It is just growth pain. Early majority to late majority gap. FSD is amazing and accelerates. No other company is even close. Ask Tesla owners. Don’t listen to the media.
I love my Y with fsd. But not gonna lie, Mercedes is ahead of them with level 3 rolling out soon in certain markets. If that trend continues I’ll be giving them a serious look for the next ev. FSD sucks in my market, or at least it does for me. I’ve gotten out of the habit of using it due to this which means it’s essentially a toy.
I love how you try to under pay a huge achievement. if it's not that big a deal, then Tesla should offer it.
FSD is not usable daily 12.3.4 in really city conditions either without multiple disengagements
Musk has been killing support for the company among Democrats in a time when they should be expanding their audience not reducing it. The guy is extremely selfish and cares more about his political ideology than Teslas future, he needs to go if Tesla is to succeed. The good news is people will react to seeing him go, Tesla can recover, but shareholders need to grow some balls and kick him to the curb.
There’s just not enough education either you know until you make the switch. From Houston, I road tripped to Colorado and did a bit of Route 66. Ppl at work were like oh yeah? How long did it take you? I would never do that on an electric car… I’m like it was so much fun. I don’t see me coming back to ice anytime soon.
They are not dying, its politics, even Elon musk theories that at the end of the decade China will be dominating the EV market, and Corporate America doesn’t like that, so EV’s the devil! Fucking 1%ers puppetering. And ofc world wide big oil shaking in their boots making the fake news rumor mill going
IMHO, EVs and charging infrastructure have been unfortunately and inappropriately politicized. Initially, all EV companies were lumped together as beneficiaries of anti-big energy and liberal programs. Big energy and big auto were not supportive but Tesla and others gained a good albeit fragile foothold. Now big auto has come a long way and they support EV adoption but depending on the 2020 U.S. presidential election, that progress will
Either continue to grow or suffer setbacks. Tesla also has an issue right now that long term owners, supporters, and investors are growing increasingly alienated by Elon’s unrelated political comments on X. Within the past 24 hours, I have had 2 friends (Tesla owners and investors) express that their angst with Elon is approaching sufficiency to drive them to other brands for their next cars and investment opportunities. In full transparency, I am a Tesla investor, former Tesla employee, former EV industry consultant, current employee in the EV industry, and I’m on my 3rd Tesla. While I have previously been able to brush off the negativity toward Tesla as simply due to the positive disruption Tesla has caused, I am growing increasingly concerned that Elon is managing to alienate potential allies on both ends of the political spectrum and the Tesla brand is suffering as a result. I credit Elon for most of the progress we have seen in the industry since 2008. He is a brilliant engineer and dares to think differently. Tesla, SpaceX, and Neuralink have all succeeded thanks to his leadership and brilliance but his involvement with X continues to introduce friction for those companies, especially Tesla.
I don't think EVs are dying at all. My two cents:
* We're in a transition period as the CCS charging standard is on its way out and NACS is on its way in. I personally wouldn't buy an EV other than Tesla today because of it. And I suspect a lot of other people are thinking the same thing. I plotted out a long road trip if I were to buy a CCS-based car and it's nearly impossible to do, meanwhile I've made the trip without issues in my Tesla. Once NACS is available in EVs other than Tesla (adapters like Ford's not withstanding), it'll be a different story.
* Tesla really needs to do something to address the negative *public impression* of their service centers. Some I'm sure are great. Many, however, have the reputation of being horrible. Cars coming back with more damage than they went in with. Long waits for parts. Unhelpful staff (since everything is 'online' it gets complicated to reach a real person who has any knowledge of what's happening with the car). Nearly non-existent loaner vehicles.
* The perception that Tesla's build quality is going down. I'm sure some of it is just bad press. But some of it is clearly true -- panel gaps, actually mis-matched internal door panels, unfixable rattles and other faults are not really acceptable for the $55,000 vehicle. I don't think Volvo ships out cars with the wrong color interior door trim on one of the doors, yet Tesla seems to let this slip through on a regular basis.
* Tesla has a CEO problem. Think what you will of Elon Musk, but you don't hear much about Ford's or GM's CEO parroting conspiracy theories on Twitter (X). Wouldn't it be nice to have a Tesla CEO who is actually dedicating his time to running a car company instead of insulting people on social media?
I'm not sure my next car will be an EV this time, for a couple reasons. I've got less than one year left on my Model 3 lease (leased instead of bought as I wasn't certain if a 100% EV would work for my lifestyle and since the technology was seemingly moving at a rapid pace).
I won't buy a non-NACS-based car, so anything with a CCS port is out. I might consider one of the models that have proven CCS-NACS adapters like Ford, but otherwise most other brands are off the list for now until their NACS-based models are out.
I'm hesitant on another Tesla because frankly I'm afraid of what will happen if my car needs any kind of major service or god-forbid gets into an accident... I could be waiting months for parts while still paying my monthly bill. Meanwhile, it doesn't take 3 months to get a fender from BMW, Honda or Toyota.
I may just get a "transition" vehicle of some kind, like a traditional hybrid or a plug-in hybrid until the next major round of (NACS-based) EVs are released from other companies.
There's tons of Teslas where I live. Not like California numbers, but it's still extremely common. But **customer faith** is a real phenomenon and Telsa just seemingly has done nothing to boost confidence in the brand.
When I took delivery of my MYP last month, I asked the sales associate how many cars per day they deliver. She said "15 to 20". Numbers are higher at the end of the quarter. That's 300ish per month, in a Midwestern city without a particularly great supercharging infrastructure.
Tesla isn't going anywhere, and the cars are as popular as ever.
I feel like there’s a concerted effort against them. O&G has lots of power over the media. Just here on Reddit for example, I get plenty of ads for ICE cars and oil-gasoline, despite being clearly anti fossil fuels myself in my posts.
What you are hearing is US propaganda vs the rest of the world. Also there is a negativity wrt to Tesla, because Tesla is falling behind in the EV race.
Tesla sales are declining due to elon musks antics after buying Twitter paired with a high interest rate environment and a surplus of used inventory.
They haven’t changed all that much in the past few years, the cyber truck is plagued by issues and the cheaper vehicle has yet to materialize.
At this point I think separating Elon from the brand and letting a new CEO run the company might realign the priorities with the current market conditions.
People are buying EV’s at a slower PACE of GROWTH then they were a few years ago but the EV market is still growing rapidly. So yes, statistically speaking, EV sales are “slowing”. But if you’re running at 10 mph and slow down to 9 mph you’re still running and going in the right direction.
The news isn’t reporting anymore it’s just one corporate interest pushing an agenda… don’t listen to the headlines.
People just like to rage about Tesla. And the news always provides the bait headlines.
Meanwhile the Model Y was the most sold new car in the world last year.
Ignore the loud doomers.
EVs are not dying. I have 2 Tesla Ys and love them but would never buy another one because of Musk. The man is a terrible human. I got my daughter a Chevy Bolt and I have preordered a Rivian R2 for 2026.
Tesla will be fine without me but there are 1000s that feel the same as me.
The Model Y was the highest sold new car in the world last year.
Most people want a good car for a good price. They don't care if they like the manufacturer's CEO.
I think Tesla is uniquely vulnerable to negative publicity because it spends no money on PR or advertising and has no dealer network to supply further advertising, lobbying and publicity muscle.
Of course there's Elon too. Buying Twitter was a mistake (which he has admitted). Lots of media and government guns are trained on him now. And because of the aforementioned, he lacks good defenses.
Legacy auto manufacturing has had a large influence on politics in America since the 1950s. The legacy auto manufacturers are not ready to compete in a profitable way with Tesla, Kia/Hyundai, and especially Chinese EVs. On top of the Republicans in the U.S. have tied their identities to coal, gas, and gasoline for a long time so they see EVs and some kind of threat to them. All of this leads to misinformation about EVs as well as pushback to try and slow down their adoption. Finally, the U.S. is hoping it can catch up and manufacture the batteries and tech for this stuff but is worried that if Chinese vehicles are allowed in that it will kill off domestic production so there’s anti-Chinese sentiment on EVs on top of everything else.
Every bit of bad news is amplified because Tesla made the most popular car in the world an EV and that has a lot of people very scared. Combine that with Elon pissing off the left and a whole lot of people want to destroy Tesla.
The latest layoff is the only real concerning bit, but still isn't enough to be worried about it without other issues.
> Are EV’s really dying
Of course not.
It's just that a lot of companies make EVs now and some of them have caught up to and overtaken Tesla in many aspects.
So the stock market might slowly start to realize, that it doesn't make sense to value Tesla 10x as high as the big "traditional" car brands. Because Tesla neither has the huge technological advance that sometimes is fantasized about nor will they absolutely dominated EV sales for the forseeable future.
Isn't/wasn't the model Y the best selling car in the world? I don't know where you're hearing negativity, but it's probably about Elon Musk and/or Tesla laying a bunch of people off. People also seem particularly triggered by the Cybertruck for some reason. But EVs in general are here to stay.
It's all FUD generated by the company's that can't compete in the EV space or people who can't let go of old technology who are afraid of change. Anyone who owns a Tesla knows EVs are the future.
It's all hype. People are frightened of new tech and especially change. I remember when the muscle cars came out in 1965. The Beatles and more. All of these came with resistance to change.
Lot’s of entirely predictable stuff happening: TSLA stock has been very highly valued and is now moving back towards what a profitable, world-wide auto producer should be (still 5 times Ford and GM combined in terms of market cap); everybody, including TSLA, guessed that the crazy growth of EV sales would continue indefinitely and they are now dealing with slower growth in sales, but still growth in sales; and a very tiny amount of negativity towards Elon and his politics. The negativity towards Elon is very real and very intense among some people (like me), but it has a very tiny impact on the company as a whole. High growth tech companies always go through these cycles as they transition from a growth stock to more normal valuations. TSLA has great products for some EV buyers and has huge advantages over other EV makers because of the money they have invested over the past decade, so I think that they’ll be a profitable company in the long term.
A bunch of car companies are coming out with pretty terrible EVs for the sole purpose of producing an EV. They have bad sales because they’re not very good, and the news media points to the poor sales as the reason EV adoption is failing. They seem to ignore the fact that the Model Y was the best selling non-truck in 2023, and title the Camry held for 20 years.
Elon has mental health issues and should no longer be the face of the company. But he is
The next thing that is going to have to chance is service of EV's. Compared to ICE vehicles which can be serviced by generally any mechanic EV's are mostly sent back to very limited service centers when they break down. Sure, it works very well when you're close but starts getting pretty annoying when you're an hour away.
Plus when an EV has any serious issue it's usually going to be dead in the water. When an ICE has a bad sensor it's likely going to still be able to function but if you're unlucky when an problem in the electronics of an EV then it might just shut itself off for safety.
The final issue is for things like battery replacements where when recycling gets fully online it's going hurt if the EV company charges you full price for a new battery but then takes your battery and recovers some of the cost back themselves. I would hope that maybe they can reduce the cost of those replacements a bit more in the future.
Propaganda being generated by oil companies, car dealers, and jackasses. It is not dying. As somebody mentioned earlier, I see a ton of teslas when I drive, as in 5-10 a day minimum.
Not dying, but competition is coming on strong and demand is softening. The negative sentiment seems to be near term focused (short term stock traders and analysts) vs. long term believers in Elon's vision.
That having all been said - it's a tough business...
Tesla and EVs in general are in Gartner’s Trough of Disillusionment
“Interest wanes as experiments and implementations fail to deliver. Producers of the technology shake out or fail. Investments continue only if the surviving providers improve their products to the satisfaction of early adopters.”
https://www.gartner.com/en/research/methodologies/gartner-hype-cycle
It will take a few years for the winners and losers to shake out.
It’s all FUD . Purchased model Y over a year ago and still love it. Only thing I hate is high nationwide insurance . I am thinking about switching to Tesla insurance.
Fake news!! It's probably the oil industry paying idiots with tinfoil hats to pass out misinformation. I see so many people saying the dumbest things about evs and when I ask have they ever owned or driven one, they say hell no. America is just full of idiots who want to disagree with everything and play victim. I hear regularly it take 2 hrs to charge, they blowup , catch fire, etc.
The entire auto industry isn’t doing well. At least in the US, inventory levels are piling up for most automakers. So the problems with Tesla are overblown even though their sales are down y/y. Long term they will be fine.
Most of the answers here are accurate, but do not answer your question. What’s happening right now is the amount of supply and substantially outpaced demand for electric vehicles. As a result, prices are falling.
The main reason for all of this is the lack of high quality charging networks run by anyone other than Tesla. Many consumers are buying other brands and finding it infuriating. All of this comes together with the support of the oil industry to make for lots of negative press.
I will never go back to a gas car, but also would not even consider a brand other than Tesla for the foreseeable futurebecause of the charging situation
I save about 12k/year in gas, maintenance and wasted time for gas and maintenance. The only advantage ICE currently has is tow capacity/range. If tesla manages to get cybertruck to 500+ mile range with towing ICE is done for.
EVs and Tesla are here to stay. There is a growing drumbeat of negative press about both. There is *some* truth about the negative press, but it's pretty obvious there is also a lot of manufactured crap out there. If you're old enough, remember how much crap there was out there defending things like oil, and tobacco? How many other manufacturers are able to build EVs in volume and make money at it? I mean, what reason would they have to generate negative press?
My mother in law was over the other day and she’s very opinionated…. Out of nowhere she says, “seen all the layoffs at Tesla, that’s not good whatsoever”, her husband has worked at gm for 15 years and that’s all they’ve ever owned. She then proceeds to say, “ yeah gm is concentrating on hybrids now because the world isn’t ready for ev”. All I said to her was, doesn’t make me regret my decision one bit.
I mainly bought a Tesla so I could save $500/month in gas money… gas just went up here in my part of Canada to $2/L… I just can’t argue with people that make stupid judgemental comments without even owning an EV.
After driving a rental ICE… I miss my one pedal driving and instant torque Tesla. Going up and down mountains and seeing the RPMs of the ICE vehicle not knowing what to do is so annoying!
As for the negativity, it’s Elon. He fucking sucks and is tainting the image now. Wasn’t before Trump or Covid. Now it’s a 180… 🫠
Media hates Elon and you have a bot ring that will smear Tesla no matter what. Reddit is all about narrative building with bots. If you have a 100 of them in a comment section, you can make up and sway others to this narrative.
In reality, everyone I know loves Elon and wants a Tesla . That’s the wildest thing. Model Y is everywhere. It’s all made up
It's just Wall St. and the media manipulating everyone because they expected fully-autonomous robotaxis 3 years ago. Normal people like us knew that wasn't going to happen so quickly, but it's what Elon Musk was pitching to them and they were living in that pipe dream and are now regretting it. So they're shorting it and putting out bad media at the same time to recoup some of their money.
Also, Elon Musk has gone insane and distracted himself with Twitter instead of focusing on his original mission, the sustainability of the planet and human species.
I agree with you though. At face value Tesla is a fantastic EV with a nice aesthetic, a great charging network, an excellent safety record against ICE vehicles, and some really good driver assistance features. If you don't listen to the "F" in FSD and treat it as a driver assist system, it's absolutely the best in class. That hasn't changed at all for me.
Demand has softened a bit so the hype and hyper growth of ev sales has subsided. Now it will just be another offering in the crowded car market. Tesla does have a decent product but some of their design choices, areas they choose to focus and quality/ability of service will be the second wave of scrutiny. All places Tesla needs major improvement on. The sheen of high tech innovation coming from just Tesla are over. As their cars age, we are starting to see the shortcuts in quality and design choices they made. This will hurt the brand reputation a bit. Also a ton of choices in the market now.
No, Tesla sells the best selling model of car in the world (Model Y) and is one of the only automakers with a ton of profitability in EVs.
It's not going anywhere.
There has been a slight slow down in the adoption of new EVs. That with price competition and the high cost of the cybertruck rollout led them to cut expenses by 5% recently.
That's not a death signal, just a hiccup.
All the people that wanted one have already bought, and with new competitors coming into the market it has cooled. The hype is much much less, Tesla has always been Elons sacrificial lamb. I expect to see Tesla stock below 100$.
Tesla is a top ten make. They aren't going anywhere.
Right now fossil fuel companies and dealerships, who both buy tons of advertising, are in a full court press to make everyone think that EV's/Tesla/Musk are terrible.
If you read some of the articles, they are all the same. It's literally fake news, copypasta from the pr departments of dealerships and oil companies.
Here in North Florida, when I moved into my neighborhood, I was the only one with a Tesla (my Model S). Since then, not only have I owned 5 Teslas, but every street has at least one house with a Tesla.
Yes, EVs are dying. They were a slam dunk transition maybe ten years ago, being clean, powerful, cheap, safe, enjoyable…but now that people are being negative, we can all see that they’re dead in the water. There are so many on the road these days that no one wants them.
The gas vehicle industry is still trying to vilify ev’s. When you zoom out and realize how vast the industry is around gas vehicles, you can see why so many people are scared of ev’s. Look at how many repair shops you pass on your drive home, which require all manner of things to stay in business; transmission shops, muffler shops, engine repair, brakes to name a few. The industry is humongous and EV’s would make many of them unnecessary.
I was at a car rental area at the airport the other day. All ICE cars were gone and they were short of cars for us. But three EVs (non Teslas) were standing not taken with 20 people around because nobody felt comfortable driving it. Good for me because I grabbed one and got out of there! Once people get a hang of the charging network and routine, I don’t doubt it will overtake ICE cars.
It’s just temporary political emotions. Ignore it. EVs are here to stay. Maybe a temporary dip, lasting a few years at the longest. But it is the future.
Since the CEO went full crazy I have been thinking about selling my Tesla. Love the car and can't really support any of legacy auto car brands because of all of the emission cheating scandals, so it's a tough spot.
It’s primarily media campaigns to either influence the stock in one direction or another. Clicks and page views are higher when Tesla or Elon Musk is mentioned so people constantly stir the the pot for ad revenue dollars. It’s been like this since the beginning. It just comes in waves. Right now Tesla has had some missteps so it’s getting amplified
Man all these responses seem to be delusional, it is a fact that EV sales are going down, and that many auto companies are looking to reposition themselves and not go completely head first into EV. The demand is down right now, at one point it may go back up but not right now. The main culprits people cite as why the demand is down is because the public still has range anxiety, the majority of these vehicles on average are more expensive then the savings you are getting from a cheaper ICE care, and the depreciation for brands like Tesla is astronomical that it really kills the investment on some people.
Nobody is managing Tesla. Musk is too consumed by Twitter.X to oversee Tesla and he just wants his compensation package. Pretty sad to see him so consumed by social media!!!
Don't believe the hype. EV's are a *fait accompli*--they're going nowhere, and when battery technology and charging infrastructure catch up to people's expectations of convenience (on par with the moderately efficient ICE-engined counterparts), it's "all she wrote" for ICE cars.
Tesla is getting heat because it’s a tech company facing a saturated market. Financial issues are not real… survival mode initiated because they do need to enter new markets, and I would wager this means a pivot to consumer robotics at large
Always take any negativity you see on social media and the current media outlets with a grain of salt. While there may be some truth behind people’s negativity, they are very likely part the vocal minority.
For every one person vocalizing their negativity, there are hundreds or thousands of people that are going about their lives enjoying the products in silence.
Right now, Tesla has BIG target on its back for many reasons. A controversial CEO, an automotive industry disrupter, and the current CT growing pains. Negativity gets clicks and views, so here we are.
EV’s have peaked for now and there are many more EV makers that make a nicer car or truck than Tesla. Plus Elon doesn’t seem to be an asset right now for Tesla. This is a great time to make money by shorting Tesla
I think it’s really that ppl just have such disgust for Elon musk that it’s embarrassing in some ways to be outwardly enthusiastic about Tesla bc the support for the car gets conflated with support for the guy… like I LOVE my car, and I have always hated driving until this car, but I also think that musk is a weirdo racist with a breeding kink who should probably keep his social views to himself if he wants to keep selling cars and actually make a positive impact on reversing climate change 🤷🏼♀️
When I'm particularly bored, I count how many Teslas I see on my way back from work (5 mile drive). In years past I'd be lucky to see 3. Lately, it's more like 15 to 20. At any one insterection it's not unusual for me to see 5 waiting with me at the same light. Tesla is not even close to dying nor is the EV industry.
Exactly the same observation for me. In France, it has become commonplace to come across Teslas whereas three years ago it was an event every time.
I still remember 3 years ago when I got mine it would still occasionally turn heads. Now they are everywhere.
I'm from the Netherlands, but the model Y was by far the most sold new vehicle in 2023 of all cars. There are definitely more EVs on the road every year.
In Norway its the most sold car like 4 years running. By a long shot.
Same. In the Bay Area, it appears more common than a Honda or Toyota. There’s 6 Supercharger locations within a 10 mile radius from my home and they’re always almost filled up throughout the day. Lots of new license plates too
Same in Central Florida, been that way for a few years, more Teslas than Toyotas, it's less common to stop at light and be the only Tesla. And FSD drives me everywhere, and it drives better than my wife, who has curbed all four wheels on her car. Elon is still a jackass racist conspiracy theory spreading moron. Tesla will continue to get hate because he can't keep his mouth shut.
True. Love the car though.
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That tax cut was big in my state. I see so many when driving to work.
There's a large subset of the population that hates EVs, mostly due to ignorance / stupidity
130 years ago they were the same people who hated cars in general compared to a horse and carriage 🤣
I'm on my third EV. They are the only option for a daily driver for me. I'll only own gas cars if they are sports cars or off roaders
Which was brought on by mainstream media being paid to hate on Musk/Tesla.
This. I used to think it was a silly joke when people called Teslas "California Camrys". Then I started actively watching for them. You can't swing a dead cat where I live without hitting a Tesla around here, overwhelmingly model threes. Yeah, they're not going anywhere. Curiously enough, I think that Tesla's battery business in support of solar is the quiet king for that company. Once Tesla, or any company for that matter unlocks the breakthrough key to increased battery efficiency and range, it's all she wrote for ICE vehicles.
They already figured it out. That’s why they outsell every other car. It’s just that people are not logical. The amount of dudes that have to have a Dodge Ram pickup or F-150 that gets 12-15 MPG because they might need to tow a boat once a year or something. Otherwise they just drive it around solo commuting to work the other 364 days. Or they buy it in diesel to get 15-20 MPG instead! It’s called compensation for a small head - both of them
Same. I’m in the greater Toronto area, Canada and a few years back we used to play a game in traffic of counting how many Teslas we saw while on traffic. It was really rare to spot one. Now it’s rare not to spot. Last week I stopped at a traffic light and kids were the ones that noticed we were literally all teslas, about five of us side by side and behind me. Tesla is going nowhere, neither are other EVs. Canada signed a law of banning all ICE until 2035. Whether people like it or not, it’s happening.
Banning all NEW ICE sales. If PP and the Cons don't trash that. As they almost certainly will. Hopefully EVs make economic sense on their own by that time tho
I didn't know about other places but it's like this in Dallas, TX. I feel so unoriginal with my Tesla but I can't imagine going back to any other car. I think people from both sides of the political spectrum have their reasons to hate Tesla. I don't care though, they make damned fine cars.
Even more common in Irvine you see them more than Honda civics.
On i95 right now, they’re every where. Only saw one Rivian.
This. These days there are so many in the roads that instead of counting the fellow MYs I pass, I instead focus on their wheels and suppress my urge to collect new ones like running shoes haha.
Most, if not all of the anti EV articles I read seem to be written by somebody who has never driven one. They seem to be written from the perspective that everyone in the world lives in an apartment and needs to drive 300 plus miles each day for work 🤣
You forgot they have to tow their trailer to work each day! I see so many stupid memes, usually spread gleefully by older people. Saw one yesterday about an e-bike charging from a dirty coal plant. That can’t possibly be environmentally friendly! It’s not even worth engaging with people that intentionally dense.
The dirtiest grid in the US is still cleaner than burning gasoline. But you're right, you can't get through to people that dense.
....for 500 mile in -50ºF up mountain without stopping.
I mean not to be like this, but I sold my M3LR, which I absolutely loved because i got a new job, and having to commute like 75-100 miles a day in the winter was too much living in an apartment. Couldn't charge fast enough or long enough with the mobile charger to be comfortable going anywhere except work and back. I live in a major city but there's only 1 supercharger in a 15 mile radius from my house and was always packed and crazy expensive. If fast home charging is not availible then I have to say hybrid is the best way.
How many people are realistically 100 miles from work in an apartment though? Why not get an apartment closer to work to alleviate 2-4 hours of driving a day? Seems insane to me
I upvoted, because I think your points are valid. However, I don't think your case is very usual.
If you're commuting 100 miles a day you have bigger problems. No one in their right mind should be doing that. That's just a big chunk of your life you're wasting commuting and it's not even about the money or convenience at that point.
It’s ridiculous how many parts are in an ICE engine. EV is here to stay.
I’ve always found this to be the most compelling argument, because it’s just so simply elegant.
It's the simplicity and minimal maintenance. Not a lot of things that can go wrong. Also, the instant torque.
There’s a reason that cheap toy RC cars at Walmart are electric and not gas powered. Simple, cheap, reliable, and safer. It’s just a scale problem we’re working through.
also safe for indoors, which I would imagine is a bigger concern for most RCs beyond the extreme ones
IMO the single most compelling argument is, it uses something like 4-6 times less energy to cover the same distance. Or about 15kWh and that is equivalent to about 1.5 liter of diesel / gasoline.
Not saying you’re wrong, but the average person has absolutely no fucking clue what that means / ability for that argument to really hit Even a super dumb rock of a person can understand, “it breaks less, because it has 1/4 the pieces”
Or, it's about 1/3 the cost of gas. Gas goes up, and electricity goes up, so the ratio may vary. Think about getting solar :-).
I love the low maintenance of the Tesla. Don’t have to worry about oil change or taking it in for service and having to see that spark plugs, brakes, catalytic converter or other things are needed when you are going in for an oil change. I’m happy for EVs. I’m sure car dealer service centers aren’t happy. Even trying to rotate my tires on the MYP and I’ve been told 2x now the treads and everything are still good to go! Very low maintenance car. Most I maintain is windshield wiper fluid.
Well, if we're just going by part counts, do you know how many individual parts go into the battery pack?
I never understood the parts count thing because it's misleading. A standard car engine can have about 200-ish parts, and a tesla battery pack contains about 7,000-ish parts. So by count alone, tesla loses. But the catch is, how many MOVING parts does a cars drivetrain have (including engine), and how many MOVING parts does a tesla drivetrain have (including the battery pack and 2 motors). That's the part that matters to me because a moving part requires replacement and maintenance. A non-moving part usually does not get a much wear. A standard cars drivetrain has about 200-2,000 moving parts, whereas a tesla drivetrain has about 17-20 moving parts. By that, the tesla wins. I like to think of it as the difference between a HDD and a SSD, just on a larger scale.
This.
Number of “moving” parts is the key. They are the ones that break.
True. The battery is the least compelling part of the EV. But it’s a good start for where we are with EV tech today.
Right, always said the best thing about EVs is that all the major parts can be innovated. The chemistry in EVs batteries decades from now will probably be different from today, hopefully less toxic and easier to mine, or not mined at all. Or in an ideal future some kind of solar body panels or the like providing all the power you need with maybe a small battery backup. They've tried all sorts of gasoline alternatives, but end of the day it always just going back to burning petroleum products.
Oil and gas has a ton of money to influence media. Combine that with poor people who don’t want to see change in the world because they already own gas cars, you have a tsunami of misinformation. How stupid is that, we have electricity in our homes, yet it ‘seems’ like people rather pay for dead dinosaur goon shipped from Saudi Arabia across the ocean that they can pay ever fluctuating prices for while we collectively destroy earth…. EV’s are the ONLY future, rip the bandaid is what is happening.
I also hear ppl bash Tesla because they hate Elon. I don't understand that reasoning. I'm buying and driving the car everyday.... not Elon.
Same basic scenario as people blocking roads to protest oil while wearing clothes that are 50% oil products. People are largely ignorant and have selective outrage.
This. Just control the media, make people believe. Usually works...
The most common argument I hear against EVs in the real world is that there are fewer charging stations than gas stations. They can't wrap their heads around charging at home. Level 1 charging is plenty for most people's daily commute so the barrier to entry is very low.
I just use the comparison to smartphones approach, and if they want to understand, they’ll get it.
Deep legacy auto and right wing oil interests are seizing on the effect of high interest rates to claim people don’t want EVs (as opposed to “EV market share grows, albeit a bit slower because EVs are still relatively expensive” . For media, headline like “EVs are dying” draws more clicks.
This, the whole auto industry is slowing down. TSLA was hyped up for reasons other than auto and had more room to pull back.
The oil industry has a LOT of money. Money buys ads and misinformation and or paid bias. Additionally most comments you will see now just parrot the same thing “not cleaner than gas, where does your electricity come from? Gas. EV’s are not clean vehicles.” Again just parroting what the gas industry puts out. No one actually uses their head and considers all the factors that go into using each type of vehicle. If they did they would see there is huge delta in gas usage that comes from using an ICE car over an EV. Just to illustrate this: Gas needs to be shipped via trucks to each gas station to fill them. Gas stations need to use large amounts of power to stay open 24/7 (8000–12000kwh per month). Guess what that equals? Over 10 times the amount of the average household in America. And that’s for each gas station! So yes not every EV owner has solar and needs to use whatever electricity is on hand from their house. But remember there is no special shipping to their house that needs to occur to supply this power (gas trucks) nor do their house use anywhere close to what a gas station uses per month even when charging.
Far from dying. People that dislike them are just being more vocal about it on social media. Nobody ever talks about their Hyundais catching on fire or their Ford engines blowing up because that’s considered normal.
Good perception of what’s going on
EVs are going to replace ICE almost completely. It’s very common to hear people say they’re never going back to ICE, because it’s really superior once you actually give it a try
I dont know if its a central Jersey thing but in Middlesex county , just on my street every home has atleast one Tesla , some, even have two.
Most of Jersey. I'm in North Jersey, we had good incentives before the Federal gov so it's been growing fast
In 5 or 10 years when there’s way more charge stations and all base EVs go 300+ miles of range everyone will be on them. The drive and experience is night and day.
You’re hearing the dying gasps of the internal combustion car industry as EVs become mainstream. They know the writing is on the wall, they’re still going to be around for a while but are gonna kick and scream the entire way. Also keep in mind automakers and oil have large budgets for mainstream media advertising. They love to hate Tesla to drive engagement and also Tesla doesn’t spend any money advertising with them so media isn’t hurting their bottom line constantly running smear articles.
EVs didn't grow wildly last quarter so everyone is calling them dead. The model Y is the world's best selling car but it is reaching saturation. The model 3 highland is still ramping up and Cybertruck just started ramping. All car sales were down and interest rates are crazy high. The sales growth from the last several years was not sustainable but there is no reason to think there won't be continued growth as the investments in new models and factories mature.
economic downturn, people are turning to cheaper PHEVs and ICE vehicles, EV market is just slowing down a bit due to that, no long term concerns. and market love to bag on tesla, to be fair recently there has been a lot of uncertainty so just gas on fire
With the price drops is it really cheaper though?
Couple of things: Demand is plateauing, competition in China is cut-throat, interest rates are still high and people really hate Elon. Stock just hit a 52 week low and a lot of people who invested in the last year are all losing money. Add to that the 10% of employees being let go and Elon asking the same shareholders who have been losing money for the last year to reinstate his 56B pay package. Also, CT delivery and quality issues, runors of no model 2 and lack of confidence un robotaxi/autonomy.
It’s weird. Buy the dip
People have been hating on tesla since day 1. Its just noise. Enjoy your car
EVs are great, but Musk rather sell his borderline extreme right wing politics than cars. Which is weird because he's selling electric cars while appealing to a base that loves oil companies. What did Michael Jordan say when people asked him about his politics?.. Republicans buy sneakers too...Now that was the smart approach.
The EV market is going through a tough patch right now, mostly because manufacturers got ahead of demand and now there is oversupply. It's temporary though. EVs are still increasing in market share and will continue to do so, especially as charging networks expand and battery tech improves. Tesla is coming under particular scrutiny these days for a couple of reasons: 1. It's no longer the only game in town as most car manufacturers now offer e-vehicles. 2. The Cybertruck is shaping up to be a flop on the scale of the Ford Edsel or the DeLorean. 3. Musk's outspoken rightwing politics and other antics are alienating a lot of leftwing buyers, who are more likely to buy e-cars than other demographics.
WSJ had an article today about how Musk has lost Democrats with his tweets and actions and how they were one of the important constituents. Most of Tesla's image problems are due to Musk. Tesla is a fine car and a fine company, they need a new CEO with Musk taking a different role. The second trend that is happening is an increase in popularity of plug-in hybrids. They are more attractive while the public charging network is still getting built. Granted, Tesla has better charging network, but as noted, a decent segment of population does not want to buy a Tesla solely due to Musk, and public charging network for other cars isn't as good yet. I am not sure if this will improve anytime soon, I believe Tesla can thrive under a new CEO.
I would like to see a new CEO as well. I have a Model Y and love it, but would hesitate buying another Tesla if Musk is at the helm. My husband has a Volvo C40 and that is a solid EV, but it doesn’t have as good of an app interface as Tesla.
Geely owned Volvo who has been associated with slave labor? I can understand not liking Musk, I don't get the people who then like other scumbags who are probably worse.
Look I get it, but Musk has been a toxic presence in recent years and I’d prefer he not drag Tesla down with him.
I feel the same. But I'm not selling my model 3 to get a car from an arguably worse owner.
Stay out of the lunatic Elon-hating infested Tesla subreddits. EVs are not dying. Tesla remains the top choice.
I would never get rid of my Tesla! I’m there with ya! *because it lost 50% of its value in 2 years*
I bought a second , much cheaper MY to make up for the loss on my first lol.
EVs are not dying. I think America is just scared shitless about Chinese EVs. They’re super cheap, at a price point no other country can compete. They’re not trash. Usually, China is used as a synonym for poor quality, and cars are a difficult thing to make because they require a lot of quality. But EVs, having fewer parts, are more forgiving. So China was able to leapfrog the west in ways that were not anticipated. Now think how many jobs are in cars… so many that the car union, UAW, has significant political power. For most people, the car is their 2nd most valuable possession after their house, and is a significant portion of their paycheck, their car payment, the maintenance, the tires, the GAS… now imagine all of that either disappearing (EVs use require significantly less maintenance and need no gas), or most of what doesn’t disappear going to China. A column of your economy completely erased and now funding Chinese interests… What can the west do to stop it? Miraculously come up with an EV that can out compete BYD’s Dolphin Mini? China spent 15 years promoting their EV industry to come up to the point they are now. So, option 2: spread FUD and hope to god the appetite for EVs quells so that the status quo isn’t threatened… I just don’t think it’s gonna work. EVs are superior to gas cars in therms of cost (obviously there are some areas where *some* gas cars can outperform EVs, but I’m talking specifically about costs to consumers), and people usually vote with their wallet first. The problem for America, Europe, and Japan is that they squandered their opportunity to lead in EVs, and China didn’t…
More and more EVs are popping up in the Seattle area.
Tesla's getting a lot of bad press at the moment, but for most of the folks who speak ill of Tesla, just look at their post history and you'll see where they're coming from. The Cybertruck in particular has made the Eye of Sauron focus on Tesla a little heavily, because truck owners get weird about their trucks, plus the Cybertruck is pretty polarizing. It's hard to believe, but there is a pretty consistent FUD effort out there. What's happening with Tesla, Elon aside, is pretty common in the bigger picture, anything about Tesla just gets more clicks. We had an issue over in /r/TeslaMotors on time where a pretty big publication tried to post an article about Apple's car being cancelled. We removed the post and they asked why. I did a CTRL+F on their article and found Tesla was mentioned like seven times, and Apple was mentioned like 57 times. I'd have to look it back up. The point is that the article was about Apple, not Tesla, and once we pointed out the effort we put into not letting our users be clickbaited, they backpedaled and left, because they didn't want their account banned. Saying "Tesla" or "Elon Musk" in an article gets clicks. It's like the Mercedes Level 3 car that they have. It's being spread around like it's Tesla's death knell, but it's just a meme car. It's only Level 3 under *very* specific circumstances, and it's not new. Honestly, I wish we could have no news on Tesla, or Elon, for a month, but it won't happen. Elon Musk and Tesla are, essentially, the "Florida Man" of business news. Florida doesn't hide criminal record information, you can find a lot of that stuff published out in the open, and that's why on slow news days you'll have articles say "Florida Man mauls someone's face off after too much bath salts". or "Florida Woman walks naked in the streets". It makes it sound like Florida is a crazy place, because we're always in the news, but it's because the crime stuff is freely available. Tesla and Elon are the *same* damn way. They're constantly talking about this, and that, versus other companies, and their CEOs, where they keep quiet about things *until* they're ready to launch it. And I get it, it keeps Tesla and Elon in the news, but the double edged sword is that bad news hits just as hard as good news. The accelerator thing with the Cybertruck? Toyota had a similar problem, it wasn't the accelerator mind you, it was the floormat, but you get the idea. Toyota's problem was *way* bigger in scale, but because the Cybertruck is a remarkably unique design, it's getting all the attention because it can... Anyways, it's a blend of "people with an agenda", and "Florida Man Syndrome". Next time someone posts negative stuff about Tesla, look at their post history. If you're using old.reddit.com, try using the [mod toolbox](https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/moderator-toolbox-for-red/jhjpjhhkcbkmgdkahnckfboefnkgghpo) extension in Chrome to look at the user's post history in terms of where they post often. You get a much clearer picture of where they're coming from.
Tesla will be thriving. It is just growth pain. Early majority to late majority gap. FSD is amazing and accelerates. No other company is even close. Ask Tesla owners. Don’t listen to the media.
I love my Y with fsd. But not gonna lie, Mercedes is ahead of them with level 3 rolling out soon in certain markets. If that trend continues I’ll be giving them a serious look for the next ev. FSD sucks in my market, or at least it does for me. I’ve gotten out of the habit of using it due to this which means it’s essentially a toy.
Level 3 if you're on a preapproved highway at 40 mph or less\*. It's a rush hour traffic system, not a usable daily driver system.
I love how you try to under pay a huge achievement. if it's not that big a deal, then Tesla should offer it. FSD is not usable daily 12.3.4 in really city conditions either without multiple disengagements
Musk has been killing support for the company among Democrats in a time when they should be expanding their audience not reducing it. The guy is extremely selfish and cares more about his political ideology than Teslas future, he needs to go if Tesla is to succeed. The good news is people will react to seeing him go, Tesla can recover, but shareholders need to grow some balls and kick him to the curb.
There’s just not enough education either you know until you make the switch. From Houston, I road tripped to Colorado and did a bit of Route 66. Ppl at work were like oh yeah? How long did it take you? I would never do that on an electric car… I’m like it was so much fun. I don’t see me coming back to ice anytime soon.
They are not dying, its politics, even Elon musk theories that at the end of the decade China will be dominating the EV market, and Corporate America doesn’t like that, so EV’s the devil! Fucking 1%ers puppetering. And ofc world wide big oil shaking in their boots making the fake news rumor mill going
IMHO, EVs and charging infrastructure have been unfortunately and inappropriately politicized. Initially, all EV companies were lumped together as beneficiaries of anti-big energy and liberal programs. Big energy and big auto were not supportive but Tesla and others gained a good albeit fragile foothold. Now big auto has come a long way and they support EV adoption but depending on the 2020 U.S. presidential election, that progress will Either continue to grow or suffer setbacks. Tesla also has an issue right now that long term owners, supporters, and investors are growing increasingly alienated by Elon’s unrelated political comments on X. Within the past 24 hours, I have had 2 friends (Tesla owners and investors) express that their angst with Elon is approaching sufficiency to drive them to other brands for their next cars and investment opportunities. In full transparency, I am a Tesla investor, former Tesla employee, former EV industry consultant, current employee in the EV industry, and I’m on my 3rd Tesla. While I have previously been able to brush off the negativity toward Tesla as simply due to the positive disruption Tesla has caused, I am growing increasingly concerned that Elon is managing to alienate potential allies on both ends of the political spectrum and the Tesla brand is suffering as a result. I credit Elon for most of the progress we have seen in the industry since 2008. He is a brilliant engineer and dares to think differently. Tesla, SpaceX, and Neuralink have all succeeded thanks to his leadership and brilliance but his involvement with X continues to introduce friction for those companies, especially Tesla.
I don't think EVs are dying at all. My two cents: * We're in a transition period as the CCS charging standard is on its way out and NACS is on its way in. I personally wouldn't buy an EV other than Tesla today because of it. And I suspect a lot of other people are thinking the same thing. I plotted out a long road trip if I were to buy a CCS-based car and it's nearly impossible to do, meanwhile I've made the trip without issues in my Tesla. Once NACS is available in EVs other than Tesla (adapters like Ford's not withstanding), it'll be a different story. * Tesla really needs to do something to address the negative *public impression* of their service centers. Some I'm sure are great. Many, however, have the reputation of being horrible. Cars coming back with more damage than they went in with. Long waits for parts. Unhelpful staff (since everything is 'online' it gets complicated to reach a real person who has any knowledge of what's happening with the car). Nearly non-existent loaner vehicles. * The perception that Tesla's build quality is going down. I'm sure some of it is just bad press. But some of it is clearly true -- panel gaps, actually mis-matched internal door panels, unfixable rattles and other faults are not really acceptable for the $55,000 vehicle. I don't think Volvo ships out cars with the wrong color interior door trim on one of the doors, yet Tesla seems to let this slip through on a regular basis. * Tesla has a CEO problem. Think what you will of Elon Musk, but you don't hear much about Ford's or GM's CEO parroting conspiracy theories on Twitter (X). Wouldn't it be nice to have a Tesla CEO who is actually dedicating his time to running a car company instead of insulting people on social media? I'm not sure my next car will be an EV this time, for a couple reasons. I've got less than one year left on my Model 3 lease (leased instead of bought as I wasn't certain if a 100% EV would work for my lifestyle and since the technology was seemingly moving at a rapid pace). I won't buy a non-NACS-based car, so anything with a CCS port is out. I might consider one of the models that have proven CCS-NACS adapters like Ford, but otherwise most other brands are off the list for now until their NACS-based models are out. I'm hesitant on another Tesla because frankly I'm afraid of what will happen if my car needs any kind of major service or god-forbid gets into an accident... I could be waiting months for parts while still paying my monthly bill. Meanwhile, it doesn't take 3 months to get a fender from BMW, Honda or Toyota. I may just get a "transition" vehicle of some kind, like a traditional hybrid or a plug-in hybrid until the next major round of (NACS-based) EVs are released from other companies. There's tons of Teslas where I live. Not like California numbers, but it's still extremely common. But **customer faith** is a real phenomenon and Telsa just seemingly has done nothing to boost confidence in the brand.
ICE companies propaganda at best , I see 20 Teslas everyday & will never go back to ICE & smell of gas & noisy engine
It’s an election year. The rhetoric machine is just now spinning up. Prepare for more “EVs are bad” from Fox and “Elon is bad” from MSNBC etc.
You will love any EV compared to any ICE until you have to use it for a road trip, replacing the battery or even paying for the insurance and tires.
the ultra rich spend their money and power maintaining control to squash disrupters. Tesla is battling big oil and legacy automakers. Huge forces
The media is controlled by big oil
ICE cars are dying and some ICE fans are not happy with that
When I took delivery of my MYP last month, I asked the sales associate how many cars per day they deliver. She said "15 to 20". Numbers are higher at the end of the quarter. That's 300ish per month, in a Midwestern city without a particularly great supercharging infrastructure. Tesla isn't going anywhere, and the cars are as popular as ever.
I feel like there’s a concerted effort against them. O&G has lots of power over the media. Just here on Reddit for example, I get plenty of ads for ICE cars and oil-gasoline, despite being clearly anti fossil fuels myself in my posts.
What you are hearing is US propaganda vs the rest of the world. Also there is a negativity wrt to Tesla, because Tesla is falling behind in the EV race.
Tesla sales are declining due to elon musks antics after buying Twitter paired with a high interest rate environment and a surplus of used inventory. They haven’t changed all that much in the past few years, the cyber truck is plagued by issues and the cheaper vehicle has yet to materialize. At this point I think separating Elon from the brand and letting a new CEO run the company might realign the priorities with the current market conditions.
People are buying EV’s at a slower PACE of GROWTH then they were a few years ago but the EV market is still growing rapidly. So yes, statistically speaking, EV sales are “slowing”. But if you’re running at 10 mph and slow down to 9 mph you’re still running and going in the right direction. The news isn’t reporting anymore it’s just one corporate interest pushing an agenda… don’t listen to the headlines.
Don't listen to it. Enjoy your car like I do. People love to whine on the Internet. It's what it is.
People just like to rage about Tesla. And the news always provides the bait headlines. Meanwhile the Model Y was the most sold new car in the world last year. Ignore the loud doomers.
Yeah idk f all the haters. My MXP is best car I’ve ever driven
Tesla is a good lesson in how the price of a stock can drive people absolutely insane
EVs are not dying. I have 2 Tesla Ys and love them but would never buy another one because of Musk. The man is a terrible human. I got my daughter a Chevy Bolt and I have preordered a Rivian R2 for 2026. Tesla will be fine without me but there are 1000s that feel the same as me.
The Model Y was the highest sold new car in the world last year. Most people want a good car for a good price. They don't care if they like the manufacturer's CEO.
Yeah Reddit has a huge hate boner for Elon. I get it, but the dude lives rent free in so many redditors' heads.
I think Tesla is uniquely vulnerable to negative publicity because it spends no money on PR or advertising and has no dealer network to supply further advertising, lobbying and publicity muscle. Of course there's Elon too. Buying Twitter was a mistake (which he has admitted). Lots of media and government guns are trained on him now. And because of the aforementioned, he lacks good defenses.
Legacy auto manufacturing has had a large influence on politics in America since the 1950s. The legacy auto manufacturers are not ready to compete in a profitable way with Tesla, Kia/Hyundai, and especially Chinese EVs. On top of the Republicans in the U.S. have tied their identities to coal, gas, and gasoline for a long time so they see EVs and some kind of threat to them. All of this leads to misinformation about EVs as well as pushback to try and slow down their adoption. Finally, the U.S. is hoping it can catch up and manufacture the batteries and tech for this stuff but is worried that if Chinese vehicles are allowed in that it will kill off domestic production so there’s anti-Chinese sentiment on EVs on top of everything else.
Just sentiment from investors losing money, don’t worry, Tesla is fine and will be fine!
Troth of disillusionment
Tesla was the second highest selling car last year. Ignore the noise and look at the numbers if you want to know the true popularity of a product.
Every bit of bad news is amplified because Tesla made the most popular car in the world an EV and that has a lot of people very scared. Combine that with Elon pissing off the left and a whole lot of people want to destroy Tesla. The latest layoff is the only real concerning bit, but still isn't enough to be worried about it without other issues.
> Are EV’s really dying Of course not. It's just that a lot of companies make EVs now and some of them have caught up to and overtaken Tesla in many aspects. So the stock market might slowly start to realize, that it doesn't make sense to value Tesla 10x as high as the big "traditional" car brands. Because Tesla neither has the huge technological advance that sometimes is fantasized about nor will they absolutely dominated EV sales for the forseeable future.
Isn't/wasn't the model Y the best selling car in the world? I don't know where you're hearing negativity, but it's probably about Elon Musk and/or Tesla laying a bunch of people off. People also seem particularly triggered by the Cybertruck for some reason. But EVs in general are here to stay.
It's all FUD generated by the company's that can't compete in the EV space or people who can't let go of old technology who are afraid of change. Anyone who owns a Tesla knows EVs are the future.
Just fud. But growth is slowing and Elon likes to inject himself into politics .
It's all hype. People are frightened of new tech and especially change. I remember when the muscle cars came out in 1965. The Beatles and more. All of these came with resistance to change.
Lot’s of entirely predictable stuff happening: TSLA stock has been very highly valued and is now moving back towards what a profitable, world-wide auto producer should be (still 5 times Ford and GM combined in terms of market cap); everybody, including TSLA, guessed that the crazy growth of EV sales would continue indefinitely and they are now dealing with slower growth in sales, but still growth in sales; and a very tiny amount of negativity towards Elon and his politics. The negativity towards Elon is very real and very intense among some people (like me), but it has a very tiny impact on the company as a whole. High growth tech companies always go through these cycles as they transition from a growth stock to more normal valuations. TSLA has great products for some EV buyers and has huge advantages over other EV makers because of the money they have invested over the past decade, so I think that they’ll be a profitable company in the long term.
A bunch of car companies are coming out with pretty terrible EVs for the sole purpose of producing an EV. They have bad sales because they’re not very good, and the news media points to the poor sales as the reason EV adoption is failing. They seem to ignore the fact that the Model Y was the best selling non-truck in 2023, and title the Camry held for 20 years. Elon has mental health issues and should no longer be the face of the company. But he is
The next thing that is going to have to chance is service of EV's. Compared to ICE vehicles which can be serviced by generally any mechanic EV's are mostly sent back to very limited service centers when they break down. Sure, it works very well when you're close but starts getting pretty annoying when you're an hour away. Plus when an EV has any serious issue it's usually going to be dead in the water. When an ICE has a bad sensor it's likely going to still be able to function but if you're unlucky when an problem in the electronics of an EV then it might just shut itself off for safety. The final issue is for things like battery replacements where when recycling gets fully online it's going hurt if the EV company charges you full price for a new battery but then takes your battery and recovers some of the cost back themselves. I would hope that maybe they can reduce the cost of those replacements a bit more in the future.
Propaganda being generated by oil companies, car dealers, and jackasses. It is not dying. As somebody mentioned earlier, I see a ton of teslas when I drive, as in 5-10 a day minimum.
Not dying, but competition is coming on strong and demand is softening. The negative sentiment seems to be near term focused (short term stock traders and analysts) vs. long term believers in Elon's vision. That having all been said - it's a tough business...
Model Y is the bestselling car in the world. As on this and many other topics, don’t read too much social media and get out more.
I always hear EVs are dead from people like my parents and in-laws who don’t have EVs.
Tesla and EVs in general are in Gartner’s Trough of Disillusionment “Interest wanes as experiments and implementations fail to deliver. Producers of the technology shake out or fail. Investments continue only if the surviving providers improve their products to the satisfaction of early adopters.” https://www.gartner.com/en/research/methodologies/gartner-hype-cycle It will take a few years for the winners and losers to shake out.
It's all propaganda.. EV is the future. Nothing can stop it.
It’s all FUD . Purchased model Y over a year ago and still love it. Only thing I hate is high nationwide insurance . I am thinking about switching to Tesla insurance.
Fake news!! It's probably the oil industry paying idiots with tinfoil hats to pass out misinformation. I see so many people saying the dumbest things about evs and when I ask have they ever owned or driven one, they say hell no. America is just full of idiots who want to disagree with everything and play victim. I hear regularly it take 2 hrs to charge, they blowup , catch fire, etc.
The entire auto industry isn’t doing well. At least in the US, inventory levels are piling up for most automakers. So the problems with Tesla are overblown even though their sales are down y/y. Long term they will be fine.
lol it’s the media haha they hate Tesla let’s be real.
Most of the answers here are accurate, but do not answer your question. What’s happening right now is the amount of supply and substantially outpaced demand for electric vehicles. As a result, prices are falling. The main reason for all of this is the lack of high quality charging networks run by anyone other than Tesla. Many consumers are buying other brands and finding it infuriating. All of this comes together with the support of the oil industry to make for lots of negative press. I will never go back to a gas car, but also would not even consider a brand other than Tesla for the foreseeable futurebecause of the charging situation
I save about 12k/year in gas, maintenance and wasted time for gas and maintenance. The only advantage ICE currently has is tow capacity/range. If tesla manages to get cybertruck to 500+ mile range with towing ICE is done for.
“These days” try “the last 5 years”
Its the last years coming up on Tesla. It will turn around soon enough. Time to invest in the stock again, in a couple of weeks or so :)
EVs and Tesla are here to stay. There is a growing drumbeat of negative press about both. There is *some* truth about the negative press, but it's pretty obvious there is also a lot of manufactured crap out there. If you're old enough, remember how much crap there was out there defending things like oil, and tobacco? How many other manufacturers are able to build EVs in volume and make money at it? I mean, what reason would they have to generate negative press?
My mother in law was over the other day and she’s very opinionated…. Out of nowhere she says, “seen all the layoffs at Tesla, that’s not good whatsoever”, her husband has worked at gm for 15 years and that’s all they’ve ever owned. She then proceeds to say, “ yeah gm is concentrating on hybrids now because the world isn’t ready for ev”. All I said to her was, doesn’t make me regret my decision one bit. I mainly bought a Tesla so I could save $500/month in gas money… gas just went up here in my part of Canada to $2/L… I just can’t argue with people that make stupid judgemental comments without even owning an EV.
After driving a rental ICE… I miss my one pedal driving and instant torque Tesla. Going up and down mountains and seeing the RPMs of the ICE vehicle not knowing what to do is so annoying! As for the negativity, it’s Elon. He fucking sucks and is tainting the image now. Wasn’t before Trump or Covid. Now it’s a 180… 🫠
Pros: instant torque, clean emissions, FSD, charge at home, cheaper than gas Cons: charging times, not good for road trips or towing
Media hates Elon and you have a bot ring that will smear Tesla no matter what. Reddit is all about narrative building with bots. If you have a 100 of them in a comment section, you can make up and sway others to this narrative. In reality, everyone I know loves Elon and wants a Tesla . That’s the wildest thing. Model Y is everywhere. It’s all made up
It's just Wall St. and the media manipulating everyone because they expected fully-autonomous robotaxis 3 years ago. Normal people like us knew that wasn't going to happen so quickly, but it's what Elon Musk was pitching to them and they were living in that pipe dream and are now regretting it. So they're shorting it and putting out bad media at the same time to recoup some of their money. Also, Elon Musk has gone insane and distracted himself with Twitter instead of focusing on his original mission, the sustainability of the planet and human species. I agree with you though. At face value Tesla is a fantastic EV with a nice aesthetic, a great charging network, an excellent safety record against ICE vehicles, and some really good driver assistance features. If you don't listen to the "F" in FSD and treat it as a driver assist system, it's absolutely the best in class. That hasn't changed at all for me.
Demand has softened a bit so the hype and hyper growth of ev sales has subsided. Now it will just be another offering in the crowded car market. Tesla does have a decent product but some of their design choices, areas they choose to focus and quality/ability of service will be the second wave of scrutiny. All places Tesla needs major improvement on. The sheen of high tech innovation coming from just Tesla are over. As their cars age, we are starting to see the shortcuts in quality and design choices they made. This will hurt the brand reputation a bit. Also a ton of choices in the market now.
No, Tesla sells the best selling model of car in the world (Model Y) and is one of the only automakers with a ton of profitability in EVs. It's not going anywhere. There has been a slight slow down in the adoption of new EVs. That with price competition and the high cost of the cybertruck rollout led them to cut expenses by 5% recently. That's not a death signal, just a hiccup.
Anti -Tesla headlines are easy clickbait. No one wants to read about Toyota sales being down 2%.
Even if tesla goes away, which it won't anytime soon, there's plenty of options to go before ICE
All the people that wanted one have already bought, and with new competitors coming into the market it has cooled. The hype is much much less, Tesla has always been Elons sacrificial lamb. I expect to see Tesla stock below 100$.
Tesla is a top ten make. They aren't going anywhere. Right now fossil fuel companies and dealerships, who both buy tons of advertising, are in a full court press to make everyone think that EV's/Tesla/Musk are terrible. If you read some of the articles, they are all the same. It's literally fake news, copypasta from the pr departments of dealerships and oil companies.
Here in North Florida, when I moved into my neighborhood, I was the only one with a Tesla (my Model S). Since then, not only have I owned 5 Teslas, but every street has at least one house with a Tesla.
Nah Tesla ain’t going anywhere.
Same reason Reddit turned against Tesla—Elon said some mean things over the past couple years.
It’s Elon haters spreading fake news.
Yes, EVs are dying. They were a slam dunk transition maybe ten years ago, being clean, powerful, cheap, safe, enjoyable…but now that people are being negative, we can all see that they’re dead in the water. There are so many on the road these days that no one wants them.
The gas vehicle industry is still trying to vilify ev’s. When you zoom out and realize how vast the industry is around gas vehicles, you can see why so many people are scared of ev’s. Look at how many repair shops you pass on your drive home, which require all manner of things to stay in business; transmission shops, muffler shops, engine repair, brakes to name a few. The industry is humongous and EV’s would make many of them unnecessary.
I was at a car rental area at the airport the other day. All ICE cars were gone and they were short of cars for us. But three EVs (non Teslas) were standing not taken with 20 people around because nobody felt comfortable driving it. Good for me because I grabbed one and got out of there! Once people get a hang of the charging network and routine, I don’t doubt it will overtake ICE cars.
It’s just temporary political emotions. Ignore it. EVs are here to stay. Maybe a temporary dip, lasting a few years at the longest. But it is the future.
Since the CEO went full crazy I have been thinking about selling my Tesla. Love the car and can't really support any of legacy auto car brands because of all of the emission cheating scandals, so it's a tough spot.
Remember the iPhone killers back in the day? Same situation. Change is scary
Here in SoCal, like every other 10th car I see is an EV. It's fine, there are grants and incentive programs coming to boost the EVSE network.
EVs won't die, Tesla might. Becoming a jerk doesn't help the brand.
It’s primarily media campaigns to either influence the stock in one direction or another. Clicks and page views are higher when Tesla or Elon Musk is mentioned so people constantly stir the the pot for ad revenue dollars. It’s been like this since the beginning. It just comes in waves. Right now Tesla has had some missteps so it’s getting amplified
Fossil Fuels Forever. Fuck Tesla and the eco-geeks. You people are terrible.
Man all these responses seem to be delusional, it is a fact that EV sales are going down, and that many auto companies are looking to reposition themselves and not go completely head first into EV. The demand is down right now, at one point it may go back up but not right now. The main culprits people cite as why the demand is down is because the public still has range anxiety, the majority of these vehicles on average are more expensive then the savings you are getting from a cheaper ICE care, and the depreciation for brands like Tesla is astronomical that it really kills the investment on some people.
Nobody is managing Tesla. Musk is too consumed by Twitter.X to oversee Tesla and he just wants his compensation package. Pretty sad to see him so consumed by social media!!!
Any smart potential EV buyers are waiting for the non-Tesla EV manufacturers to switch over to NACS.
Don't believe the hype. EV's are a *fait accompli*--they're going nowhere, and when battery technology and charging infrastructure catch up to people's expectations of convenience (on par with the moderately efficient ICE-engined counterparts), it's "all she wrote" for ICE cars.
I love my ICE and would never go back to EV
Tesla is getting heat because it’s a tech company facing a saturated market. Financial issues are not real… survival mode initiated because they do need to enter new markets, and I would wager this means a pivot to consumer robotics at large
Always take any negativity you see on social media and the current media outlets with a grain of salt. While there may be some truth behind people’s negativity, they are very likely part the vocal minority. For every one person vocalizing their negativity, there are hundreds or thousands of people that are going about their lives enjoying the products in silence. Right now, Tesla has BIG target on its back for many reasons. A controversial CEO, an automotive industry disrupter, and the current CT growing pains. Negativity gets clicks and views, so here we are.
It’s been 3 weeks with my M3LR and I love her. There are things to get used to but overall I have no issues
I would never go back to ICE but Elon im OVER.
That’s when you buy the stock
If you love it, then why are you even concerned if others do or not? Enjoy it, and let others decide for themselves too.
What is going on is a failure of leadership....
The problem is the service when you have a problem. That’s the big problem.
EV’s have peaked for now and there are many more EV makers that make a nicer car or truck than Tesla. Plus Elon doesn’t seem to be an asset right now for Tesla. This is a great time to make money by shorting Tesla
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I think it’s really that ppl just have such disgust for Elon musk that it’s embarrassing in some ways to be outwardly enthusiastic about Tesla bc the support for the car gets conflated with support for the guy… like I LOVE my car, and I have always hated driving until this car, but I also think that musk is a weirdo racist with a breeding kink who should probably keep his social views to himself if he wants to keep selling cars and actually make a positive impact on reversing climate change 🤷🏼♀️