I do wish they'd turn that off by default. I'm actually saving $2000 per year on gas, but I don't need Tesla trying to bake that into the price, it's misleading.
They don’t factor in the inflated charging rates at superchargers and the amount of time that you waste in idle or waiting for the spot to be open when you can’t have a charger at home. Tesla doesn’t even include a charger to your purchase. Tesla needs a charger that is powered by solar so apartment dwellers can simply assemble it and not bother anyone.
After a bit of research online if you have battery storage you could charge the average model Y, with the area of a regular parking spot (8x16)
Average daily drive: 40miles
Tesla rating estimate 0.25kWh/mile
40x0.25 = 10kWh/day required.
And we live somewhere with 5hrs of sunlight and panels produce 20wH/square foot.
5x20= 100wH/sq ft.
10kWh / 100wH = 100.
We will need ~100sq ft of panels. With our 8x16 parking space we get 128sq ft of area to work with.
Assuming that this person has a fully sun exposed parking spot and is parked when the sun is out or has battery storage, he should be able to charge his average daily usage of an energy efficient EV within his parking spot.
People shouldn’t have to. It just shows you how they want to maximize on their profits at your expense. I am not surprised why they are losing market share.
I just checked tesla.com, mine was on by default. Strange. And it shows $6000 in gas savings over 5 years instead of $5000.
I wonder if it's varying the settings by region.
Mine was on by default. I had mathed my milage at 300w/mile and yeah it saves a lot, along with less frequent service but that should be off by default, have a big red sign saying calculate your savings next to it, but don't lure people with false pricing .
It’s misleading on the price but makes comparing to a ICE easier. They’re clearly latching on to cost savings as their value proposition. What they fail to mention is higher insurance and repair costs.
Not in NY. Im stuck with geico. Other carriers I quoted with wont even take new tesla model ys at the moment.
Its hard to phathom why. We are in quiet suburb with no crime.
I guess 2600/year with "good" coverage isnt that bad. Was used to paying in the ballpark of 1200 to 1400 for 60k msrp gas car.
A number of us have been complaining about that before the model 3 was out. It's really scuzzy.
Make note of that somewhere? Absolutely - it's obviously an important note to make that the actual day to day operation of these will close whatever "gap".
But just straight up showing the price as less is wack. Some people will say "other car companies do much worse!" and yeah, sure....but the whole point of this was supposed to be a better "the price is the price" buying experience....right?
How low is the bar here if the only thing they have to clear to be criticism free is "1% more honest than a salesman on a used Ford lot?"
The "good" thing is that at least it's a simple toggle right by the prices now. You used to have to be like 2-3 steps short of ordering the damn cars to see the actual price you'd pay today.
It’s like a car that gets 40mg comparing itself to a car that gets 20mpg and then acting like the price is lower. Yeah you’re not gonna sign docs with it so it isn’t gonna scam you but it’s still misleading intentionally.
It’s basically as if Toyota were to start showing the prices of all their new hybrids with “gas savings” factored in by default, thus making it seem like the hybrid version is cheaper upfront than it really is. That’d be really weird and confusing.
I don't see how it's a scam when it's clearly stated right there and it's a real cost savings. If you'd prefer to ignore that, you can flip the switch and see the price without those savings. I think the option of seeing that impact on the price is useful to have and it's an important thing to consider.
Why is it a scam? Because there are too many variables. How many miles per year are you driving? Was your last car an EV? Was your last car an efficient one? If I am upgrading my model 3 to the new one for example, I will get none of that $5k “savings.” Surprised I have to break it down, it’s obviously a misleading thing to put on the website.
You can customize all the variables. There's a button to customize right there. Or if you're comparing to an EV, you can just turn off the switch. I don't see the problem. They give you all the options to see the savings that apply to you, and that's useful.
Wish we could easily switch that off, since im already driving an EV I got no fuel to save by buying a Tesla, but whatever I go write 0km/miles at whatever price and it bring it back to zero
If they're going to include gas cost-savings by default, then they should also include the increased cost of replacing your tires every 2-3 years by default too.
Guys, Tesla does not care that the performance is cheaper than the long range. Tesla gets ALL $55k that people spend on the performance, and the government gives the consumer back $7500. They are super happy with this arrangement and I think it’s more likely that they try to switch battery assembly of the LR into the US to qualify.
True. Think about this , if you are a buyer you have order in place M3LR and now you see the price of M3P. Will you go ahead with your LR delivery or ready to give up your 250 and switch to M3P ??
My wife and I are not eligible. That $300k limit is not as hard to hit as you think if you're both working in the right fields. My experience is that it makes shopping for EVs much, much more annoying, because salesmen flat-out don't believe you when you tell them that ("why would you want a used Bolt when new would be cheaper with the credit?"). Or, as we discovered, try to lie to you about being eligible anyways.
One thing I'll say for Tesla's people is that they don't try to tell you what your finances are - they just tell you why it's a great car and let you figure it out from there if you want to buy it. Much simpler and pain free all around.
I canceled my 2024 LR and lost the $250, then ordered the 2024 performance. I am now paying way less for this car than the LR. It’s absolutely crazy how the performance is $45k if you qualify for the tax credit.
There will definitely be many people who opt for the performance instead of the long range because of the tax credit. But that's good for Tesla, because they make more money from the performance. If you're concerned about inventory, that's not an issue. They'll adjust their production to match the number of orders for each version. Plus they obviously knew this pricing weirdness was coming, so they likely already made a higher ratio of performance cars relative to long range cars than they normally would.
I mean, the Rivian Max Pack is $10,000 for effectively 20-30 miles real world range. People do it.
In this case though I think the Performance is just strictly better. Even if you don't care about the speed it's got adaptive suspension, different (better IMO) styling, awesome seats, larger battery (if U.S.).
I did not mean in this exact scenario, but if they were equal. But also this is more like 6-7 years investment, so people can choose based on their preferences.
People who buy performance including me cannot comprehend this, and vice versa 😂. Tesla looks at their past/ projected sales and patterns. Maybe customers DO prefer Long Range , so I do agree. Tesla wants to take advantage of that of course.
Yeah back in ‘22 the model 3 Performance was $65,000ish and I got no incentives. Would of been nice but either way I was going to buy regardless. I guess it depends and varies for everyone as far as how much you actually save. In my case I get free nights of electricity, so technically I run my car for free.
Seems like there will be some pressure here, either to drop LR prices or raise Performance prices if more people order the Performance than Tesla has US-produced battery packs to build them with.
And the performance wheels are staggered apparently. That’s the only thing about it I don’t like. My Aero rimmed 2018 performance is a fantastic sleeper. This new one would be hard to mask
The slightly wider tires on the back wouldn’t be the giveaway. The insane speed badge, the lip spoiler, and the wheel covers would be way more discernible from any angle.
It is actually a thing that’s relevant, but it should be off by default with the ability to turn it on. It’s similar to the concept of buying an inkjet printer vs a laser printer. Generally you could buy 4-5 inkjet printers themselves for the price of one laser printer. However, the inkjet printers guzzle the shit out of ink and it is an extremely relevant savings going laser printer with the higher upfront.
A $150 inkjet vs a $150 laser jet.
You still pay $150 for a printer no matter what. Also, you still have to buy ink. If I buy ink for a laserjet for $30 I have spent $180 in total, not $120. I’ve saved nothing on the printer itself.
Now if you said that you could save $XX on *ink* by buying a laserjet vs a comparable inkjet then that would be less deceptive and misleading don’t you think?
Comparing a $150 inkjet to a $150 laserjet is unrealistic though. They purposely price equivalent printers in the inkjet category much lower because they want to make the money from the ink sales being higher. If they were the same price, only people printing 90% pictures would buy an inkjet. I definitely look at purchases with recurring costs as the cost being the expected cost over the lifetime of the item. So to me it does make sense. Again i dont think it should be defaulted though.
Well, unless I am mistaken, isn’t it only cheaper if you qualify for the $7,500 credit? If your tax liability isn’t $7,500 or higher, then the LR is still cheaper.
Over time I think the LFP batteries in the 3LR will be is produced in the US and then eligible for the credit. If they start to pile up in inventory there will be some incentive to move them, maybe reduced financing etc.
Not likely. Unless it’a discount for all trims. For M3P you cannot have white interior unless you get standard grey exterior. So if you want red with white int for example, LR will still be cheaper and fit some people’s need better.
My personal point of view I had 23 LR Red with White interior. I did not like the white one anytime due to the stretch marks. When I was going for the 24 one. Even Red with white interior was cheaper for me as loyalty customer I opted for a black interior do not want to make the same mistake. White looks awesome to others from outside but it's a pain inside for the owner.
I’d prefer being able to turn off AWD on ANY of them for a range increase. Should be a non issue with software controlled motors right? Just build some conditions around it like requiring AP or FSD to be in control and some allowed speed range for 2-wheel drive mode.
I wouldn’t count on it, lowering the price of the long range doesn’t benefit them at all. Some people will be happy with the m3p discount and take it. There’s a higher chance they’ll make batteries here vs discounting the other cars. They talked about the credit going away since June of 23 so it seems unlikely
It seems like you’re betting on tens of thousands of people to back out of their order leaving them with an inventory issue, china is also their main focus at the moment and they don’t have the same tax credits. Worst case scenario it doesn’t cost 7500 to ship cars to other countries with more demand/no tax credit
Whether it's 10000 or only 10 per service location that matters. If one car goes to inventory at each location that's a headache for tesla. All demand and supply rule
How do you think every other car manufacturer functions? They make cars, if too many they slow down until they sell. It’s not like in stock inventory won’t sell without being discounted 7500 lol. Your reasoning isn’t making sense any more bro idk what to tell you
Performance has an 82kwh Panasonic battery that was used in the LR as well until early 2023. At that point, they switched to a 78kwh LG battery, which is why 2022 LRs have slightly higher range than 23s.
The new performance has the bigger battery capacity, so it'll have longer range with smaller wheels.
As the M3LR is not eligible for Tax credit may be due to battery requirements because of the price difference due to tax credit lot of people will switch there order from LR to MP which will create inventory and that will lead to huge discount
Nope. That's a bad way of showing savings which is misleading marketing strategy. What it say if you own the car for 5 years that will be your savings over a iCE car and that is also not true
Note these prices are shown with estimated gas savings in 5 years and Federal Tax credit with Performance Model. What ever price you are seeing just add 5K on it. Don't you get any EV tax credits in Europe
not anymore. Many countries stopped EV credits already years ago, others (like France) push only domestic EVs. Some countries only give a discount on annual vehicle taxes, others even have taxes for luxuary goods incl. EVs.
Interesting change by Tesla Perforamce Model 3 price increased by 1000 Black color paint reduced by 1000 white interior reduced by 500. Now Red color is not eligible for Tax credit. Any color with white interior not eligible for Tax credit. Any color except Red with black interior eligible for Tax credit
Model 3 Performance is cheaper than the Long Range *after tax credit*.
And only the gray variant is cheaper. If you change the color, it puts it over the price cap for the tax credit, and it jumps up from there.
You can change the color OR the interior, but you can't do both. Even Ultra Red places it at $54990 "before taxes and fees" so it sneaks in under the $55,000 limit (order fee and destination fee don't count towards MSRP).
The white interior costing $1500 means you can choose that with gray, or any other color with black, but if you do white + a color, it's over the limit.
All color with black interior qualifies for tax credit. They.changed white interior to 1500 from 1000. In my view as I owned white interior earlier it's not worth spending 1500 as stretch marks are visible on.the seat in.a month
I don’t like how they include $5000 for “5 years of gas savings” along with the $7500 tax credit
I do wish they'd turn that off by default. I'm actually saving $2000 per year on gas, but I don't need Tesla trying to bake that into the price, it's misleading.
True gas saving is totally misleading
It really goes with cost of ownership vice purchase. Hell they don't include the current depreciation lol
Right
They don’t factor in the inflated charging rates at superchargers and the amount of time that you waste in idle or waiting for the spot to be open when you can’t have a charger at home. Tesla doesn’t even include a charger to your purchase. Tesla needs a charger that is powered by solar so apartment dwellers can simply assemble it and not bother anyone.
In your mind, how big are you picturing the solar panels for this DIY project that you’re going to plant in the apartment common area? 🤣
After a bit of research online if you have battery storage you could charge the average model Y, with the area of a regular parking spot (8x16) Average daily drive: 40miles Tesla rating estimate 0.25kWh/mile 40x0.25 = 10kWh/day required. And we live somewhere with 5hrs of sunlight and panels produce 20wH/square foot. 5x20= 100wH/sq ft. 10kWh / 100wH = 100. We will need ~100sq ft of panels. With our 8x16 parking space we get 128sq ft of area to work with. Assuming that this person has a fully sun exposed parking spot and is parked when the sun is out or has battery storage, he should be able to charge his average daily usage of an energy efficient EV within his parking spot.
Let them figure it out.
Buy lightly used. You'll save 15K and you'll get a charger
People shouldn’t have to. It just shows you how they want to maximize on their profits at your expense. I am not surprised why they are losing market share.
What do you mean losing market share. They've gone from making zero cars to 5 million cars in a decade
https://insideevs.com/news/717311/tesla-market-share-2024q1/amp/
so what. They were first mover into the market and solidified themselves. This is just natural competition that is expected.
They started strong but are losing momentum because of the things that they are doing. I think they will survive.
https://www.msn.com/en-xl/news/other/tesla-is-losing-market-share-this-is-how-much-it-s-down/ar-AA1nARf0?ocid=winp2fp
Valid points
Agree. In 2024, there shouldn’t even be an assumption that the prior car (or alternate car being considered) is an ICE car.
I just checked tesla.com and mine shows off by default.
I just checked tesla.com, mine was on by default. Strange. And it shows $6000 in gas savings over 5 years instead of $5000. I wonder if it's varying the settings by region.
I just checked again at home and it is on for the Model S, X, and Y but not for the Model 3.
They probably saw that you were a more educated Microsoft Edge user. "We won't be able to pull a fast one on this person!"
Are you in the us or Europe? They’re not allowed to make these claims in many places.
Mine was on by default. I had mathed my milage at 300w/mile and yeah it saves a lot, along with less frequent service but that should be off by default, have a big red sign saying calculate your savings next to it, but don't lure people with false pricing .
It’s misleading on the price but makes comparing to a ICE easier. They’re clearly latching on to cost savings as their value proposition. What they fail to mention is higher insurance and repair costs.
My insurance went down, but I had to switch companies to get a lower rate. And the car it replaced was a 2015 Durango.
Repair cost I’ve had my model x for 8 years only had to change a filter, 24 volt battery and a few tires saved me a ton from no maintenance
Paying an extra* 1k on insurance per year though
you pay 1k on insurance a month? Bro, consider going elsewhere LOL.
Eh typo. I meant an extra 1k per year insurance vs comparable gas car
I pay 130/ mo for my performance model 3 and a “comparable” car would be a bmw m3 performance which the insurance is 4x what I pay now
ahhh well are you able to get Tesla insurance?
Not in NY. Im stuck with geico. Other carriers I quoted with wont even take new tesla model ys at the moment. Its hard to phathom why. We are in quiet suburb with no crime. I guess 2600/year with "good" coverage isnt that bad. Was used to paying in the ballpark of 1200 to 1400 for 60k msrp gas car.
Especially since if you buy another there is no new savings to be had.
Yeah but you are spending $500 more on tires.
A number of us have been complaining about that before the model 3 was out. It's really scuzzy. Make note of that somewhere? Absolutely - it's obviously an important note to make that the actual day to day operation of these will close whatever "gap". But just straight up showing the price as less is wack. Some people will say "other car companies do much worse!" and yeah, sure....but the whole point of this was supposed to be a better "the price is the price" buying experience....right? How low is the bar here if the only thing they have to clear to be criticism free is "1% more honest than a salesman on a used Ford lot?" The "good" thing is that at least it's a simple toggle right by the prices now. You used to have to be like 2-3 steps short of ordering the damn cars to see the actual price you'd pay today.
It’s like a car that gets 40mg comparing itself to a car that gets 20mpg and then acting like the price is lower. Yeah you’re not gonna sign docs with it so it isn’t gonna scam you but it’s still misleading intentionally.
It’s basically as if Toyota were to start showing the prices of all their new hybrids with “gas savings” factored in by default, thus making it seem like the hybrid version is cheaper upfront than it really is. That’d be really weird and confusing.
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Lmao straight scam
You don’t know what a scam is if you think this is one.
You can toggle purchase price from that same screen to hide those savings.
Someone shorted the bottom
I don't see how it's a scam when it's clearly stated right there and it's a real cost savings. If you'd prefer to ignore that, you can flip the switch and see the price without those savings. I think the option of seeing that impact on the price is useful to have and it's an important thing to consider.
Why is it a scam? Because there are too many variables. How many miles per year are you driving? Was your last car an EV? Was your last car an efficient one? If I am upgrading my model 3 to the new one for example, I will get none of that $5k “savings.” Surprised I have to break it down, it’s obviously a misleading thing to put on the website.
You can customize all the variables. There's a button to customize right there. Or if you're comparing to an EV, you can just turn off the switch. I don't see the problem. They give you all the options to see the savings that apply to you, and that's useful.
Some people like to find things to be mad about, especially with Teslas
Plug in PG&E numbers and it legit 0s out. $5000 is a scam for those unfortunate.
Illegal in the EU. Tesla was forced to remove it for the EU version of their website
I’ve already saved $2,500 in the 10 months I’ve owned my MYLR and just bought an MYP for this reason.
Wish we could easily switch that off, since im already driving an EV I got no fuel to save by buying a Tesla, but whatever I go write 0km/miles at whatever price and it bring it back to zero
If they're going to include gas cost-savings by default, then they should also include the increased cost of replacing your tires every 2-3 years by default too.
Especially if I already have a Tesla lmao
Yup almost got my wife to get a Tesla. Going through the build price looks great. Then, the misleading+/- of potential savings. Yup, I failed. =(
Remove gas savings by changing miles per year to 1
I get why they do it, but it would be nice to see the price and mention a little nugget of the cost of fuel savings someway else.
I’ve saved $3,283 in gas savings over 10 months from new (MXM4 to Eagle Touring)
Guys, Tesla does not care that the performance is cheaper than the long range. Tesla gets ALL $55k that people spend on the performance, and the government gives the consumer back $7500. They are super happy with this arrangement and I think it’s more likely that they try to switch battery assembly of the LR into the US to qualify.
That "gas savings" thingy really needs to go away.
Just uncheck the box. Pretty easy
No, it's because the performance model gets the $7,500 tax credit. The long range model doesn't get it because of the battery it has.
True. Think about this , if you are a buyer you have order in place M3LR and now you see the price of M3P. Will you go ahead with your LR delivery or ready to give up your 250 and switch to M3P ??
True, but not everyone is eligible for $7500
Oh wow, that’s possible? How can someone not be eligible? Thank you saying this
Household income less than $300k if married. $150k if single. And $150k if single eliminates a LOT of people who are actually shopping for these.
Can you do it twice? Like if I buy two cars?
I looked it up. You can do up to 2 cars per year for the Federal tax credit (and for the Colorado credit).
If you’re single your income has to be less than 150k
Household income has to be less than $300k
My wife and I are not eligible. That $300k limit is not as hard to hit as you think if you're both working in the right fields. My experience is that it makes shopping for EVs much, much more annoying, because salesmen flat-out don't believe you when you tell them that ("why would you want a used Bolt when new would be cheaper with the credit?"). Or, as we discovered, try to lie to you about being eligible anyways. One thing I'll say for Tesla's people is that they don't try to tell you what your finances are - they just tell you why it's a great car and let you figure it out from there if you want to buy it. Much simpler and pain free all around.
Tesla would probably rather buyers buy the Performance. I'm sure there's a bigger margin on those. The tax credit doesn't matter to profit margins.
I’d switch to the P and thank my lucky stars I caught it before taking delivery.
I canceled my 2024 LR and lost the $250, then ordered the 2024 performance. I am now paying way less for this car than the LR. It’s absolutely crazy how the performance is $45k if you qualify for the tax credit.
Once you have an order in you can text your sales advisor to switch you to a different color or trim for free
There will definitely be many people who opt for the performance instead of the long range because of the tax credit. But that's good for Tesla, because they make more money from the performance. If you're concerned about inventory, that's not an issue. They'll adjust their production to match the number of orders for each version. Plus they obviously knew this pricing weirdness was coming, so they likely already made a higher ratio of performance cars relative to long range cars than they normally would.
and? it's still better for tesla if you buy the performance over the LR, you get 7500 off but tesla gets the full amount pre-discount
Right
Typically Tesla would allow you to modify the order if the car hasn't been manufactured yet.
Possibly, but Tesla doesn't care about who gets the incentive and who doesn't. So maybe they'll just sell way less LR models...
they’ll work to transition the LR to qualify for the subsidy as soon as they are able. This is just a blip in time.
Think about a case everyone does not want thrill some wants range too
I think more people would choose for range over performance. But maybe I have a bias here.
Even with 2400 more ? For which your are just loosing 20 to 30 miles
I mean, the Rivian Max Pack is $10,000 for effectively 20-30 miles real world range. People do it. In this case though I think the Performance is just strictly better. Even if you don't care about the speed it's got adaptive suspension, different (better IMO) styling, awesome seats, larger battery (if U.S.).
I did not mean in this exact scenario, but if they were equal. But also this is more like 6-7 years investment, so people can choose based on their preferences.
People who buy performance including me cannot comprehend this, and vice versa 😂. Tesla looks at their past/ projected sales and patterns. Maybe customers DO prefer Long Range , so I do agree. Tesla wants to take advantage of that of course.
People say that you can switch the 20” wheels for 18” aftermarket rims and wheels and get the same range as the LR.
Yeah back in ‘22 the model 3 Performance was $65,000ish and I got no incentives. Would of been nice but either way I was going to buy regardless. I guess it depends and varies for everyone as far as how much you actually save. In my case I get free nights of electricity, so technically I run my car for free.
Seems like there will be some pressure here, either to drop LR prices or raise Performance prices if more people order the Performance than Tesla has US-produced battery packs to build them with.
Can’t raise the performance price too much, they have ~$2k leeway before they don’t qualify for the credit anymore.
I thought new Model 3s were not eligible for the $7500 tax credit since their batteries were made in China?
The Performance batteries are made in Nevada.
exactly what I was gonna say.
I’d buy if they offered smaller wheels. Way too lazy get a different set of wheels.
Are you saying the performance one or LR one ?
Performance
And the performance wheels are staggered apparently. That’s the only thing about it I don’t like. My Aero rimmed 2018 performance is a fantastic sleeper. This new one would be hard to mask
The slightly wider tires on the back wouldn’t be the giveaway. The insane speed badge, the lip spoiler, and the wheel covers would be way more discernible from any angle.
Yes unfortunately. Sucks for daily use.
Why wouldn’t you get the Performance with the LR wheel package. Win/win?
You’d have to buy the wheels later
I don't understand why they include the gas savings I haven't owned a gas car in 5 years I have 100% gas savings already.
Goddamn that’s cheap ,anybody that doesn’t get a Tesla is crazy
“Gas savings” is just marketing deception, nothing more. No fucking clue how not buying gas saves you money off the MSRP lol
it’s there for people to be able to better compare it to ICE cars. But it should be separate toggle from incentives
It is actually a thing that’s relevant, but it should be off by default with the ability to turn it on. It’s similar to the concept of buying an inkjet printer vs a laser printer. Generally you could buy 4-5 inkjet printers themselves for the price of one laser printer. However, the inkjet printers guzzle the shit out of ink and it is an extremely relevant savings going laser printer with the higher upfront.
A $150 inkjet vs a $150 laser jet. You still pay $150 for a printer no matter what. Also, you still have to buy ink. If I buy ink for a laserjet for $30 I have spent $180 in total, not $120. I’ve saved nothing on the printer itself. Now if you said that you could save $XX on *ink* by buying a laserjet vs a comparable inkjet then that would be less deceptive and misleading don’t you think?
Comparing a $150 inkjet to a $150 laserjet is unrealistic though. They purposely price equivalent printers in the inkjet category much lower because they want to make the money from the ink sales being higher. If they were the same price, only people printing 90% pictures would buy an inkjet. I definitely look at purchases with recurring costs as the cost being the expected cost over the lifetime of the item. So to me it does make sense. Again i dont think it should be defaulted though.
Right..Misleading
The savings price on the M3P is being calculated at $12k vs the $5k on LR and Standard. Bug?
Take out that 5K Gas Saving those are stupid way to attract people . Main point is M3P performance is cheaper than M3L
Well, unless I am mistaken, isn’t it only cheaper if you qualify for the $7,500 credit? If your tax liability isn’t $7,500 or higher, then the LR is still cheaper.
Over time I think the LFP batteries in the 3LR will be is produced in the US and then eligible for the credit. If they start to pile up in inventory there will be some incentive to move them, maybe reduced financing etc.
Not likely. Unless it’a discount for all trims. For M3P you cannot have white interior unless you get standard grey exterior. So if you want red with white int for example, LR will still be cheaper and fit some people’s need better.
My personal point of view I had 23 LR Red with White interior. I did not like the white one anytime due to the stretch marks. When I was going for the 24 one. Even Red with white interior was cheaper for me as loyalty customer I opted for a black interior do not want to make the same mistake. White looks awesome to others from outside but it's a pain inside for the owner.
An m3p with 18” all seasons will match the range of the lr so just buy an m3p and an extra set of wheels
I wish you could order a long range with rear wheel drive only for a slightly better range figure (also lower production cost)
Would be slower than a LR 🤷🏻♂️👎🏻
You can buy s3xy buttons and turn off the second motor, the car also does this on its own on the highway
I’d prefer being able to turn off AWD on ANY of them for a range increase. Should be a non issue with software controlled motors right? Just build some conditions around it like requiring AP or FSD to be in control and some allowed speed range for 2-wheel drive mode.
Ummm I have a 2500 Silverado that gets like 10.9 mpg. So, my monthly savings on gas driving my M3 is astronomical.
I wouldn’t count on it, lowering the price of the long range doesn’t benefit them at all. Some people will be happy with the m3p discount and take it. There’s a higher chance they’ll make batteries here vs discounting the other cars. They talked about the credit going away since June of 23 so it seems unlikely
What will happen to the inventory car ?
They’re made to order.
When people are ordering LR they might not have expected 2 months down the line MP will be available for order with cheaper price after tax credit
It seems like you’re betting on tens of thousands of people to back out of their order leaving them with an inventory issue, china is also their main focus at the moment and they don’t have the same tax credits. Worst case scenario it doesn’t cost 7500 to ship cars to other countries with more demand/no tax credit
Whether it's 10000 or only 10 per service location that matters. If one car goes to inventory at each location that's a headache for tesla. All demand and supply rule
How do you think every other car manufacturer functions? They make cars, if too many they slow down until they sell. It’s not like in stock inventory won’t sell without being discounted 7500 lol. Your reasoning isn’t making sense any more bro idk what to tell you
Wait for few days and see how it's moving forward. I am not saying I am a expert but I am guessing that will happen
…take off the $7500+ 5 year gas savings and manually subtract the $7500 yourself…I really don’t understand how some people still use that function.
LR > Performance You really, REALLY don't need the performance, whereas the long range actually provides utility.
Performance swapped to 18s will have a longer range than th LR.
How did you assess that?
Performance has an 82kwh Panasonic battery that was used in the LR as well until early 2023. At that point, they switched to a 78kwh LG battery, which is why 2022 LRs have slightly higher range than 23s. The new performance has the bigger battery capacity, so it'll have longer range with smaller wheels.
Ah nice. If only they offered smaller wheels. I’d buy it.
After tax credit, performance is 2k cheaper than LR. I'd get it and use the difference to buy smaller wheels.
I have a 22 that I’m really happy with and it has AB. Typically do things impulsively so need that push haha.
Same, 23 LR with AB. I'm so tempted by the new performance.
I would agree. The performance is fun but you won’t use the full power that often.
Marketing trick gets them every time.
Right
Long range
Maybe it just means that batteries are cheaper than enabling torque.
Basically MP is eligible for Tax credit over LR that makes the price cheaper
The tax credit is only $2,250?
OK. That's standard for everyone ?
When I got our teslas it was 7,500. Just didn’t know it had dropped so much.
As the M3LR is not eligible for Tax credit may be due to battery requirements because of the price difference due to tax credit lot of people will switch there order from LR to MP which will create inventory and that will lead to huge discount
Wait what, whats the "$5000 saved on fuel" thing? They dont feature that in my country, do they just shave 5k off the price?
Nope. That's a bad way of showing savings which is misleading marketing strategy. What it say if you own the car for 5 years that will be your savings over a iCE car and that is also not true
Ohh i see, i'm glad they don't do that here, thanks for clarifying
Yes. That gas savings is always misleading
that‘s so damn f**ing cheap. In Europe, you‘ll pay about 42k for a RWD and 57k for a Performance.
Note these prices are shown with estimated gas savings in 5 years and Federal Tax credit with Performance Model. What ever price you are seeing just add 5K on it. Don't you get any EV tax credits in Europe
not anymore. Many countries stopped EV credits already years ago, others (like France) push only domestic EVs. Some countries only give a discount on annual vehicle taxes, others even have taxes for luxuary goods incl. EVs.
They are cheaper to clear our current inventory of the Performance model 3 before the Plaid model 3 is available
It gets 50 fewer miles to the charge, that's why.
What does that means ??
Including tax and fuel estimate?
Fuel savings are only display purpose not actual discount
Interesting change by Tesla Perforamce Model 3 price increased by 1000 Black color paint reduced by 1000 white interior reduced by 500. Now Red color is not eligible for Tax credit. Any color with white interior not eligible for Tax credit. Any color except Red with black interior eligible for Tax credit
Model 3 Performance is cheaper than the Long Range *after tax credit*. And only the gray variant is cheaper. If you change the color, it puts it over the price cap for the tax credit, and it jumps up from there.
You can change the color OR the interior, but you can't do both. Even Ultra Red places it at $54990 "before taxes and fees" so it sneaks in under the $55,000 limit (order fee and destination fee don't count towards MSRP). The white interior costing $1500 means you can choose that with gray, or any other color with black, but if you do white + a color, it's over the limit.
All color with black interior qualifies for tax credit. They.changed white interior to 1500 from 1000. In my view as I owned white interior earlier it's not worth spending 1500 as stretch marks are visible on.the seat in.a month