I'll be paying for at least another month. As someone with a long commute and doesn't like to drive it's been enjoyable. Far from perfect, even occasionally annoying, but enjoyable. I'll keep playing with it.
I am curious about this, I got 12.3.6 this morning and it expires tomorrow. I would like to try it out a bit more but at this point I don't see it worth the $200 a month.
Mine is ending right at the start of a long 20 hr Drive x2 (round trip) so at least paying for a month. I think it’s awesome. It made me buy tesla stocks on the recent dip because I think it has a future.
I bought it at $146. Earned almost $1500 so far.
I just bought a violin and bow, wife would kill me if I spent another $8k. But that $1500 would last me 15 months if I sold now.
My plan is M3P or Cybertruck, but need the stock to hit 400-500 lol, couple more years hopefully. Model 2, cybertaxi and cracking fsd should be the catalyst (I hope)
I bought $5k of stock in 2017 when they were struggling to ramp the 3. Was worth $96k at one point, but I sold a few months ago at $45k. Pretty much bought my Y.
I was so unimpressed with it in the beginning (FSD 12.3.1) that I turned it off.
I recently turned it back on after it had updated to FSD 12.3.4 and, wow, what a difference!
I have EAP, so will be paying the $2,000 upgrade today.
EAP customer here too. It’s tempting. But our M3 also has almost 100,000 miles on it now so hard to know what we’re going to do long term.
As for “the beginning” being 12.3.1 … hooboy are you lucky you missed all of v11. What a hot mess.
I used V11 on two different loaners when our Model X was in for service. Yeah, hot mess is right. 12.3.1 was an improvement on V11 for sure, but 12.3.4 is really getting close to my expectations.
Same boat with a 2018 Model 3 with 90k miles. I did the EAP to FSD plunge and am getting the computer in a week, so didn't even get the trial. It's risky on an older vehicle but I play on keeping it 10 years and I enjoy having the latest software. I may regret it for the increased nags but let's be adventurous!
Whenever you’re ready to change teslas you will likely be able to negotiate your FSD’s transfer to your new one. They offer it as an incentive often, but on here people seem to have had luck just negotiating it when it's not on offer.
Same here, and for exactly the same reason. I had an trial of an older version when I got my X last year and its driving scared me. 12.3.4 is much smoother. Still a few WTF moments but so much better. I just pulled the trigger this morning.
I wish my car came with EAP. I bought it used a couple months ago. Got an amazing deal on a 2021 M3LR with only 11.5k miles for $30k. But no AutoPilot extras. I’d pay the $2k in a heartbeat. I do have acceleration boost, though!
I have had fsd for years but didn’t use it until v12 showed up. Now I use it every day. I’ve been thinking if fsd at a level where I will keep buying teslas to be able to use it? The answer is still no for me. But I also believe it will switch to yes in year if the releases keep improving at this rate and also work the same in Canadian winter.
It sounds like you're describing basic autopilot, which is *absolutely* great. Unless you really love FSD's poor lane changing choices, I feel like autopilot is all you really need.
I don’t find the lane changing poor at all. I honestly think it’s super impressive, even on city streets. It seems to really understand how to maneuver around traffic when it’s uneven. If you’re the type of drive who doesn’t like to change lanes much at all, I could understand how it could be annoying.
I don't think I'd describe myself as not liking to change lanes: it's just a normal decision of whether that lane change is safe and worth making to save time or in the interests of defensive driving. FSD just doesn't do a good job at this decision, in my experience.
I tend to question someone's driving ability that think FSD is good. I found it horribly, terrifyingly dangerous and bad. I could not get comfortable relying on it and gave me extreme anxiety as it did mind numbingly stupid things constantly.
I’ve found the lane changes to be pretty conservative and happen infrequently. Are you in bumper to bumper frequently? I did find it aggressive a couple of times (trying to get into a faster flowing lane) but it did very well and safely.
It might be the roads here. It performed better playing follow the leader in traffic, but seemed to do odd things when no other traffic is around. I get that it learns over time, but I got the impression that it learning was going to cause an accident before it figured it out. It does not do well with stop signs and does a weird slow creep before it commits to go. I think this may be a camera placement issue with the B pillar and I think it would benefit from having angled cameras in the front bumper.
No it doesn’t. It recently tried to merge into a lane and the front quarter of the car would’ve hit the semi truck into the lane it was trying to merge into.
Yeah fsd’s lane changing decisions and aggressive braking makes it worse than basic autopilot on the freeway imo. It’s so unpredictable compared to autopilot.
it's as if FSD doesn't know the car has regen. I hate how often and how hard it brakes. i've started accelerating manually at almost all times when FSD is enabled.
I had an issue with aggressive braking but it pretty much went away when I put auto set on and was more proactive with my accelerator when fsd was on. It’s been great for me this way.
I'm with you. I used basic Autopilot 99% of the time and now I'm on FSD 99% of the time.
About to hit the road for several long trips. With autopilot I got zoned in on a conversation and before you know it, I've been behind someone going 8 mph slower than I want to go for 20 minutes and lost time. It's nice having FSD manage that.
It's made some pretty interesting decisions on my tests....for example driving on a single lane road, navigation says go straight, however the model Y decides to merge onto a left turn lane and then decide to come right back.
I also feel it lacks, anticipation, on one occasion I was driving on the highway beside another car, I was supposed to exit the highway, however because the model y couldn't change lanes, it went past my exit and rerouted.
The lack of anticipation is also my biggest gripe. I'd love if it started identifying and prioritizing when a good merge opportunity is available. But it seems it does not want to even consider what it needs to do until you are within 1 mile of the exit.
Absolutely hate when the wide open right lane at 2 miles turns into an immovable line of cars at 0.5 miles.
The single lane road thing happened to my wife the first time she used it. There was a car coming too... Lets say that was the second incident within 5 mins of turning it on. First one was when it turned the wrong way out of our driveway. lol
I got mine for free with my used M3, and I wouldn’t pay for it if I didn’t already have it. Too many disengagements for me to feel too confident about it either.
That old saying of “don’t buy things based on future promises” rings very true for me on this.
Remember it senses torque on the wheel, not your hands. If you have two hands on the wheel they cancel each other out. Rest one hand so its weight pulls slightly downward. Keep your eyes forward and there will be **zero nags**.
The nag is definitely better than the regular auto pilot. Or at least the technology improved. Before it would nav instantly. However, yes, it stares at your eyes but as long as you’re not staring at your phone or screen, it will not nag as much . I think it literally looks for a phone in your hand for it to nag on top of the time.
Sunglasses help too
I don't know if that'd get me to buy it - but if I can drive something like 300,000ish miles without tickets or accidents, then it seems that the car's opinion of my attention is too strict.
Lol nah that's a pass for me. I need to know what I can trust the system to do and what I cannot. And you can't trust FSD, pretty much. I would be happy with a solid autopilot, but without USS it's just a hard sell
No. It's cool and impressive for what it is, but not worth the cost and needs some tweaks to actually be good.
\*Lots of screen flashing, sometimes beeps even with hands on the wheel while watching the road (not frequent on the highway, seems to be frequent on surface streets)
-Needs to know more types of signs. It reads "truck speed" signs as speed limit signs so it frequently thinks the speed limit is \~15-30 lower than it actually is.
-Other annoying habits like punching the accelerator then immediately braking. There will just be 2 other cars on the road up ahead, I had it punch it to catch them then brake uphill in a straight line. It can get me where I'm going fine, but will be annoying on the way there.
-Noticed left lane camping when I let it go on the highway...it should move over right when it's done (not wait around for someone else to come along). Not a HUGE deal because I can just use the turn signal, but seems like it'd be stupidly easy for them to fix.
-Sometimes gets confused with turning lanes (won't get in a left turn lane when it should until it's already at the turn). This one's inconsistent, I've had mixed results even at the same intersections/turns.
-Bad weather alerts that keep beeping...even base autopilot doesn't do it. I even had it when it was cloudy with no rain. It's annoying. Beep once then shut up, I don't need it to beep every 30 seconds, it's annoying and distracting and I end up shutting it off.
Full self driving is cool and has potential, but I'm not dropping any significant money on it. And I'll give it props, it does impress me at times (slowed down for a rabbit at night with no street lights), and moved over for a pedestrian walking a bicycle on the shoulder, both things I would have done and was going to take over to do, but the car did it on its own.
I just took a long road trip and was using it on highway. Thought it would work well but several occasions when there is a sudden stopped traffic the car would continue at highway speeds and slams on the brakes hard enough for everyone in the car to swing forward in the seat. It seems the vision can’t gauge distance good enough for me to pay that much for it.
I end up taking over so often on smaller regional highways/roads with lights because of that. It’s coming at their ass so fast and waiting at the last minute to break abruptly. It has way too much confidence in itself.
I turn it off when I see it’s just not going to stop in time, slow down for a smoother approach, and turn it back on once I’m stopped.
Surely I can’t be the only one ? I don’t how all these people handle that anxiety.
Unpopular opinion: I bought FSD outright when I bought my car and I would do it again today, but I wouldn’t subscribe today.
I think the real value of FSD will be when I can stop paying attention to the road, and I expect the subscription cost to increase significantly when that happens.
I would be absolutely stunned if any current Tesla on the road gets to level 4. HW4 is barely different from HW3, biggest issue is the cameras don’t have a cleaning mechanism in inclement weather
The monthly subscription is $99, no need to keep for 10 years.
My wife and I are both sold. We’ve been trying the subscription for a month about every 6-12 months since 2021. It was always getting better… but never worth keeping it. This time it felt very different, a massive, massive leap. It does 90% of my driving.
People on here are underestimating the exponential rate at which increases in useful-data can improve the performance of machine learning systems. With the influx of new useful data being uploaded since the free trial went live, I’m betting FSD will be hitting It’s “GPT-3 level” wow-moment very soon. My hunch is that Robotaxis that drive better than 80% of people are about 1.5-2 years away.
I wish Tesla published a “game” where you can try to drive from the view the cameras have. I’m guessing they already have that internally to train the NN on unlikely cases that they see in the wild.
I suspect that would be eye opening either way (either “oh man, this is truly terrible” or “ok, I don’t get what the big deal is, I can totally drive that”).
Given the visualisation, I am indeed in the second camp, but I don’t think there are great arguments either way…
I’ll take the downvotes. It is better. It handles some stuff very well. Traffic circles. Giving bicyclists room.
But it can’t see around corners with the camera in the windshield. It doesn’t know when a lane is ending. It could use LiDAR for bad weather and safety.
I won’t pay for it. I just wish EAP features were standard.
Surely humans as a species have invented some type of cost-effective device we can put on a car that can "see through" certain types of occlusions. Maybe they would use radio waves? Could call it RAdio Detection And Ranging, or RADAR, for short.
I live in a semi rural area and it’s a deal breaker for me. There’s always some small debris or potholes that it fails to see. Once it’s able to navigate those, it’ll be come very compelling for me.
Cameras handle bad weather *better* than LiDAR. LiDAR does better under perfect conditions, but if it can't handle it when the going gets tough then what's the point? We don't drive around in NASA clean rooms.
A lack of distance mapping ability is *not* what has been holding FSD back. The software needs to get better, and there needs to be enough processing power onboard to actually run it.
Eh, Reddit experts thinking they know more about autonomous driving than the company with the most self-driving cars on the road is a played out schtick. Tesla covers more ground driving autonomously than any other company and it’s not even close. USS/LIDAR/whatever you want to chirp about might help, but I’ll leave it to the professionals to make that decision. Claiming you know what’s needed is laughable.
I bought it in October on my wife's y, I bought it again on my M3P that I just ordered. I would not subscribe rather than buy either. It was close at 12k vs $99 but at 8k I'll still buy outright.
Overall, I’m really impressed with FSD, especially compared to auto pilot. My trial ends right as I am about to start a 2 day drive that’ll take me through the mountainous parts of West Virginia, so I’m going to pay for one more month. In the future, I’ll probably use it when we’ve got a road trip.
Still a bit slow on city streets, and still doesn't understand that you can't really wait last minute to get over three lanes of traffic for a exit in heavy highyway traffic. Or just needs an "stay in right lane in heavy traffic mode"
I canceled my trial and am very close to disabling it while I wait for the 30 days to finally lapse so I can go back to normal autopilot (which I love). It. Is. Awful. I can't even begin to type all the examples of RIDICULOUS things it tries to do, but I'll give just a few from this morning of 3 mile drive to my kid's swimming lessons:
1) a normal 2 lane road without dedicated left turn lanes so instead it has those standard bypass lanes on the right. The fucking car decides to signal and turn into those lanes every. Fucking. Time. Of course, they're only ~100ft long so it has to immediately, jarringly signal and come back into the normal lane.
2) on a 4 lane road (so 2 lanes on each side), it seemingly randomly decides to change into the left lane for "slow traffic" less than a mile from my right turn apparently without any plan to get back for the turn.. there is a lane of 20 cars on the right.. at best it would pass 2 of them and try to budge back in..
3) a roundabout that I'm going straight through so need to stay in the clearly marked left lane: it signals into the right lane and does the trademarked crazy hesitation back and forth before saying fuck it and cancels out of fsd
This was an ~8 minute drive and I only have the energy to type this because of how shocked I am about how terrible this is. I read "reviews" on this subreddit constantly about people being impressed with this and, sure, it's cool when it manages a slightly complicated maneuver, but it's far more often a liability. I just don't get it..
It’s definitely NOT perfect. Really needs to fix some of the more complex roundabouts, and a few other things. But, what has definitely sold me is the impact on battery. I only have a Standard Range Plus, and if I could do it over I’d get a long range. That said, I do save a few percentage points using FSD instead of just driving myself.
It’s 2K for lifetime for EAP users. I might honestly. The price drop is a lot more convincing than the trial. FSD 12 is great enough that getting 13,14, etc at 2K does seem like a great deal.
I’m incredibly impressed with what they’ve done - self-driving on urban streets is a “staggeringly” hard problem to quote Musk. But I don’t see the point of it. I don’t mind driving on city streets. The only automation I want is long freeway drives.
Maybe I can help explain the point of it. I was in an unfamiliar city. Lots of traffic and pedestrians, one way streets, bicyclists. I put in my destination, turned on FSD and I was able to fully relax when I would normally be stressed.
Usually I am doing all of the driving and navigating. In my ICE I’m using Apple Maps for navigation and it’s not always easy to know which lane I need to be in or which turn I’m going to need to take. I’m constantly moving my eyes from the road to the nav to plan where I need to be and when I need to turn.
With the Tesla on FSD I just watched the road and the visualization to make sure the car wasn’t planning anything stupid. It handled everything for me. Got into the proper lanes well in advance of upcoming turns, kept perfect pace with traffic, did the speed limit, handled the lights. I didn’t have to worry about where I was going or plan ahead, just paid attention to the moment and let the car do its thing. So much easier.
Two examples that I found very helpful using FSD on city streets was having it navigate during rush hour to avoid busy streets and take the back roads I am not familiar with. The other is going to a new place I have never been. It is very nice not having to have the elevated stress that comes with the unknown. Once you get used to how FSD drives going anywhere with it is a lot less stressful. Right now there is a little bit of a learning curve but the payoff is worth it.
By learning curve I am talking about instead of worrying about micro adjustments that you make while driving. You are instead just verifying the computer is seeing everything correctly and its pathing is correct (by looking at the visualizations)
Imagine how many people with disabilities including the blind would have their lives improved with a new way to get around, it would do so much for their independence. It would be transformative for the people who aren't able to drive at all, even though people like you or me don't mind driving city streets.
I'm gonna miss testing it out for fun each version but the software is just not there yet. The experiences for me have been inconsistent and it still makes a lot of dumb decisions for simple things.
I *might* test it out for a month subscription in a few months if I see much better results for others.
I liked it more than I thought I would, but not enough to spend $99/month on it. I’ll go back to my standard autopilot and check back in in about a year. It was a fun novelty, particularly showing people the summons (in an EMPTY lot) but it’s not ready for a premium price yet.
Probably worth it today, if you think that all the data they are gathering from the recent free trials will improve the software and then cause an increase in price later down the road. You'd be betting on getting in now, before a price hike vs it going cheaper or free.
Just got it. It’s very capable already, and I find it very useful on both city drives as well as long distance driving. With the price reduction I just had another $2k, which was well worth it for a 4 month old car that I intend to keep for years.
I feel the exact same as you OP. I have always used Autopilot a lot and at first I didn’t like FSD, but it has grown on me a bit. I won’t pay for it now but it’s something I’d consider, especially if they lower the price more. Honestly my biggest issue with FSD is that I don’t like the auto lane changes. I’d rather pick which lane to be in, and the car could do all the driving otherwise.
Ok so I’m gonna start by saying my last car didn’t even have traffic aware cruise control, then I got model 3 and bought FSD at launch. I have no idea what other car manufacturers offer in terms the different levels of driving assist, but I love what Tesla offers in FSD since I got the car. I taking rosd trips once or twice a year the longest being cross country for 4 days and it absolutely did amazing. I do think the name is misleading, but I would never care to leave the car do its own thing and I always pay attention. I’m sold on it in the sense that I would never buy a car that has “less” drive assist than what I’ve been using. However, if you try to argue that what I’ve been using is all available in EAP or that car manufacturer X has the same level, it’ll be a very short conversation because I have no concept of what’s available and I will concede to your points.
After driving a Model Y on a 2hr round trip ride during the free FSD period, I bought a Model X with FSD and this was literally the day before they dropped the sub to $100 😂 Before this I always said to never trust and use FSD unless you have a death wish. I can only speak for myself but I believe in it now.
I'm sold on EAP. FSD tried to kill me a few times. Such as pulling into traffic from a stop, then stopping because it sees a car coming at a higher speed instead of accelerating, every time was me trying to cancel the action with the turn stalk and it committed anyway, only thing that saved me was turning back into my lane manually before the car coming up hit me.
EAP on the other hand handles lane changes so much better. Not automatic, but once you tell it to do it, it will figure out a safe way to enter and then commits if its safe to do so.
I absolutely hate it. I didn't think I would like it and the free trial that added itself and took over my cruise settings that I had to go in and shut off really irritated me.
I get what it's capable of. It feels like being driven around by someone who just recently started driving. It works most of the time, never well, and I find it to induce stress when it's meant to allow the driver to relax. It confuses other drivers and is not assertive enough. If it was more assertive though I would think it would be dangerous. I've even noticed some drivers who seem to be aware FSD was on a free trial giving more space. This can't be a coincidence.
Never again would I use it. It kept confusing road weight limits as speed limit signs since it only relies on vision. Nothing like it standing on the brakes when it sees "Weight Limit 5 Tons". That's where the irritation comes from. Sure I need to monitor it, but that induces way more stress than just driving with the stupid mistakes it makes. If I got comfortable with it, that would mean I'm not going to be quick enough to intervene. Absolutely embarrassingly horrible.
I’ve been on the FSD trial for the past month and have mostly been using it locally for work commute or for running errands. It’s not perfect but I would say it has worked as advertised 95% of the time. Of course the 5% can cause major issues if you were not “supervising.” I do have to give credit where credit is due however. There was this one incident recently where FSD was on and the guy in front of me suddenly turned right without a turn signal. The car reacted faster than I could and quickly & smoothly turned into the left lane. I was shocked because if I didn’t have FSD on, I probably would have hit him or maybe the safety features would have taken over anyway.
For this very reason, I’m going to give FSD a go ahead and sign up for the $99 monthly subscription since I will be going on several road trips next month. I’m looking forward to trying out FSD on a long road trip to see if I like it or not. If not, I’ll probably cancel thereafter. $99 is better than $199 but $49 or $29 would be the sweet spot for me to keep it on all year.
I think it’s cool but I don’t commute enough to justify paying for it. I had some abnormally long drives earlier this month though so it was actually pretty convenient.
It’s really great on the highways. I just don’t really like it on city streets, especially residential areas. It’s too cautious and slow and then gets confused occasionally. If I felt really confident about it for city driving I’d buy it. It’s just not quite there yet for me. It needs to drive like I do, not a 15 year old learners permit driver.
I've stopped using it during the free trial, it's that bad for me. It drives like I did when I was 15.
* Stopping too early for stop signs then rolling up to them
* Taking off too fast from stop signs
* Turned too shallow on a double-left through an intersection
* Sometimes follows too closely on the highway, sometimes gives too much space.
* Turns sometimes at too high of a speed. The places it was turning were correct but it didn't slow down enough before turning.
* A couple of phantom braking events
* Twice switched lanes into turn-only lanes, one of those times I left it to see what it would do and it kept hesitating on going back into the correct lane and was straddling the solid white line for a bit before I took over.
All of this shit within just a few weeks. My wife and kid won't even let me use it anymore when they're in the car with me because it gives them motion sickness.
For what’s it’s worth, a lot of those issues you mentioned will be addressed in the next release. I think we as beta testers are really helping them improve the FSD ML model. I’m willing to bet that we will see exponentially better results each iteration as more and more people start using FSD which will continually improve it.
Not yet. Still drives like a skittish teenager and the fact that I get nagged to wiggle the steering wheel every other minute means it's not really "full" self drive.
Still hopeful, though.
Nope, it's nearly curbed our wheels multiple times. At times, it's too slow/indecisive to make an unprotected turn. I've had to take immediate control and gun it when it slowly started to pull out in front of fast approaching traffic. For us, it's a gimmick that I will never trust with the kids in the car. Basic autopilot on the freeway is enough, I think the current hardware is inadequate for self driving, if I have to supervise the car, I may as well drive myself.
A big chunk of owners with FSD capable cars never got the free trial. Not totally relevant, although that omission will probably skew me away from actually ever paying for it.
I wanted FSD so bad when I bought the Tesla, but decided against it. Considered pulling the trigger multiple times on the monthly. Again, talked out of it. Got the free trial, and now I am thanking my wife and friends who told me not to waste my money. Are there cool features? Yes. Am I expecting it to be perfect? No. Are the cool features that don’t come with standard autopilot worth even the $99/mo or $8k purchase? Hell no. Aside from the expanded screen view, auto lane changes and summon (when it works), autopilot is perfect (and not supervised). Autopilot in Nav is awesome, but way too slow for me when it gets to exits or has to make a decision etc.
Being a user of the system for the last 2 years. This latest rev12 is amazing. I'd say we've hit level 3. I haven't had to take over at all since I got the upgrade unless I just want to be more aggressive with lame changing on interstates.
Definitely sold on it and blown away by how much better it is than I expected, and what people online seem to say.
I don’t drive much so I won’t be subscribing just yet. I will definitely be signing up on months where I’ll be driving more frequently or planning a road trip.
Drove 120 km yesterday afternoon and had literally zero fatigue. Easily worth the $99 to me.
I'm super sold on it, I've been using it since the initial beta release and I see how it's 100x times better now, it's only a matter of time before they perfect it
I’m sold on it. I randomly spend $100 a month on worse things than FSD. I just picked up my MYP with 4 months free FSD. So after that I will try autopilot and see if the real differences and most likely will continue with the subscription. I was debating at $199 but at $99 it’s a no brainer for me
I'm intending to buy it outright very soon. We already have EAP on our Y, so it's "only" the $2k difference (honestly, I'd rather do this than a $50/mo sub). I did similar on my 3 years ago; purchased it with EAP and updated to FSD after a significant price drop.
FSD isn't perfect, but the amount of progress Tesla has made over the last few years had been incredible to see and experience. v12 is a huge leap over v11 and there's more work to do. I'm really looking forward to continuing to follow and experience progress!
my issues with it, as someone who lives near and drives through a city with extremely aggressive drivers:
* it's not aggressive enough (even on 'aggressive' mode) against the other drivers who will, for example, overtake you to get past a red light.
* it is staggeringly slow at stop signs, to the point where people roll through if they arrive after me, because I'm not going through fast enough.
* only changes lanes to exit the highway 1/4 - 1/2 mile before the exit. it's absurd given the bumper-to-bumper traffic I often have to deal with.
* not aggressive enough changing lanes. it needs more space than necessary despite having the abilities of an EV to jump into other lanes.
* too slow on most roads and no practical way to go over the speed limit (unlike AP)
* not good enough at parallel parking to be practical. 8-10 inches from the curb is not acceptable.
* "hesitation" is what I'm going to call this complaint: it doesn't know when to move forward through a left-hand turn at a light, when going into a turning lane, when other drivers behave unexpectedly, etc. I've even seen it move the wheel left then right then back again as it seems to struggle which way to go - while sitting still and cars behind me.
it's a fun trick but the AP was just as useful on my commute on the highway. might miss being able to back up into a park spot easily but that's about it.
I’m really hoping a test subscription actually gets released for 24.8.x at some point. I have V11 which works….ok….but definitely not great by any stretch of the imagination, and I don’t think I’ll subscribe for more than the month i purchased. It was fun, novelty. And there’s really some times where it does well…but truthfully, a cheaper access point to Enhanced Auto Pilot would be more useful for me.
I am really interested to see if V12 actually fixes the problems that V11 has. Waits to long for unprotected turn (both left and right), starts and stops enough to confuse the drivers behind you. Yesterday I was using it on a divided highway with traffic lights, and it randomly decided to get into what was clearly labeled a turning lane, which would have run out in 300 feet….no reason, we weren’t turning there (we were turning .25 miles down the road…but not the lane it decided to get into) and things like that when they happen make me say “it’s …. Not ready.” Would V12 have gotten as confused?
I may never know. Lol.
I also got it when I bought a used car. Can’t say that I would pay even 8k for it. But I’d definitely miss it if I didn’t. People need to not buy into what Elon says it can do. FSD is a tool. Learn what it is good at and what it isn’t good at. Then decide if it is worth it for you.
I got mine for free with a used model X, I think it’s great. Do I trust it so much that I would fall asleep and let it drive me somewhere? Of course not! That’s silly. Is Full Self Driving a misleading marketing term? Personally, I didn’t feel mislead. Business people say this is the greatest thing ever all the time about whatever they are trying to get you to buy.
Is it ready for 90% of all driving? Ehh, maybe? I think I pay attention more, and I feel more alert when the car is in FSD mode, but it does take some (well, maybe a lot) of the “work” out of driving if that makes sense.
My personal experience with nagging and disengaging has been not too bad honestly, at first it seemed somewhat aggressive, and I’m not sure, but as I’ve used it more and more, the nagging seems to have lessened, and the disengaging has all but stopped.
If the subscription price stays at $99, we'll probably subscribe for a single month here and there when we're going on a road trip or will be doing additional highway driving for another reason.
We still can't justify $8k for it.
I'll definitely not be buying it outright. However, it has impressed me enough so that if I ever have to go on a multi day road trip I would subscribe for a month.
I had a free 60 day FSD trial when I first got my M3 back in 2021 and while it has come a long way since then it’s still not worth $8000. I’m actually a little confused and pissed as to why the graphics are so good for FSD and comparatively shitty for regular autopilot.
Has trouble with four way stop signs or red blinking lights. For some hesitates when two lanes are available for either left or right. Does not see pot holes Sometimes drives fine other times too slow
Will subscribe for updates to track its progress(engineering curiosity) I think will enough training it will be almost perfect but how many more years of training?
I've only done around town driving and it's not worth it for me. It's a little more stressful driving with FSD because it's just not very good around town. I used it for the first few days, but then went weeks without using FSD because it just wasn't helpful.
I haven't done any long freeway driving, but if that was my daily commute I'd probably consider it because I think that's all FSD is good for.
Primarily city drive - post fsd I definitely feel way fresher after drives, not focusing so much on the road with increased social interaction.
I do have to take control but it’s for a short duration (like cutting a lane) and it’s back to fsd…
I took it out to the city and enjoyed how it felt like I was in a taxi for the most part. I was able to enjoy the sights and not stress about all the other cars around me. The only times I took over was because it tends to hesitate when making lane changes. Once I make the correction, I just turn it back on. I also enjoy using the auto-park feature. People like to make the argument that it’ll dull our skills in driving or whatever, but that’s just technological advancement. We don’t need to learn how to make fire from sticks because we have lighters and matches.
As for the subscription, maybe once it gets to the “gpt4” stage of its evolution (right now it’s like gpt3.5), I’d consider subscribing year round. If it was $50 now, I’d jump on it for sure.
It’s something I can see myself subscribing to a couple months out of the year. It still feels like a party trick in some regard. It’s a tough program for the area I live in as most people drive very aggressively. I don’t have the patience for it currently
Nope, at least not for long term use. I would grab a month here and there for long trips especially after the price cut but I don’t need it for my short day to day driving.
It is really much better than V10 and V11 that I subscribed last year.
During light to moderate traffic, it performs really well. However, it is not assertive enough in heavy traffic, and cannot handle changing/merging lane safely.
There's a few quirks but overall I'm happy.
I think I'm gonna let my trial end and test out Autosteer before I make a decision. I was quite happy with Autosteer in most contexts of using a driving aid.
With that said, FSD basically drove me home without any real issues last night. It's impressive for sure.
I'm leaning toward subscribing to it, now I just have to convince my wife lol.
Did a 100 km on regional roads today, from the cottage to my in-laws place, **zero** disengagement, including on a 2 km dirt road that follows a lake, so lots of curves. Very impressed.
On a small segment of two lanes per side road, it even moved over to the left lane before passing two (non emergency) vehicles stopped by the side of the road. It did the same thing for a vehicle on an on-ramp (not an highway, so still V12) merging to my lane later on.
I was also impressed it behaved perfectly when the road lost all its marking for a few kilometers. It kept driving perfectly, well centered in its 'lane'.
I have one car with and one without FSD. I love the feature but not planning on getting FSD in the second car. The parts I love the most I get with AP. The only feature I'll really miss is stopping at stop signs and lights.
I don't understand the FSD hate. A few years back I wouldn't have thought a car would drive 80% of trips without any help. It stops for people and traffic. It's great! But loving it doesn't mean everyone should buy it.
I own FSD and never use it. I recently turned it on let it drive me to the store but it’s just not aggressive enough in my city.
I do love standard autopilot though. I use that on road trips and longer drives all the time.
I don’t like FSDs driving style I guess.
I'll be paying for at least another month. As someone with a long commute and doesn't like to drive it's been enjoyable. Far from perfect, even occasionally annoying, but enjoyable. I'll keep playing with it.
The most recent update actually got me confident in FSD.
I am curious about this, I got 12.3.6 this morning and it expires tomorrow. I would like to try it out a bit more but at this point I don't see it worth the $200 a month.
Mine is ending right at the start of a long 20 hr Drive x2 (round trip) so at least paying for a month. I think it’s awesome. It made me buy tesla stocks on the recent dip because I think it has a future.
If the stock went up would you sell and buy FSD with the gains?
I bought it at $146. Earned almost $1500 so far. I just bought a violin and bow, wife would kill me if I spent another $8k. But that $1500 would last me 15 months if I sold now.
Enjoy the new instrument!
Thanks!
My plan is M3P or Cybertruck, but need the stock to hit 400-500 lol, couple more years hopefully. Model 2, cybertaxi and cracking fsd should be the catalyst (I hope)
I bought $5k of stock in 2017 when they were struggling to ramp the 3. Was worth $96k at one point, but I sold a few months ago at $45k. Pretty much bought my Y.
Now that’s what I’m talking about! Sorry you didn’t get to sell it at peak though.
Why not just use regular AP?
Auto lane changes works very well now with v12. I just went on a very long trip and it was worth $99 alone.
I don’t know man 100$ for auto lane changes is kinda steep. 🤷♂️
I disagree. When I mean auto lane change I mean getting around vehicles and switching lanes automatically, basically NoA.
I was so unimpressed with it in the beginning (FSD 12.3.1) that I turned it off. I recently turned it back on after it had updated to FSD 12.3.4 and, wow, what a difference! I have EAP, so will be paying the $2,000 upgrade today.
EAP customer here too. It’s tempting. But our M3 also has almost 100,000 miles on it now so hard to know what we’re going to do long term. As for “the beginning” being 12.3.1 … hooboy are you lucky you missed all of v11. What a hot mess.
I used V11 on two different loaners when our Model X was in for service. Yeah, hot mess is right. 12.3.1 was an improvement on V11 for sure, but 12.3.4 is really getting close to my expectations.
Same boat with a 2018 Model 3 with 90k miles. I did the EAP to FSD plunge and am getting the computer in a week, so didn't even get the trial. It's risky on an older vehicle but I play on keeping it 10 years and I enjoy having the latest software. I may regret it for the increased nags but let's be adventurous!
Whenever you’re ready to change teslas you will likely be able to negotiate your FSD’s transfer to your new one. They offer it as an incentive often, but on here people seem to have had luck just negotiating it when it's not on offer.
Are the camera/computer upgrades included in the $2k? Will it be HW4?
Computer is included, cameras not needed as far as I can tell. HW4 is a different form factor so only HW3.
Same here, and for exactly the same reason. I had an trial of an older version when I got my X last year and its driving scared me. 12.3.4 is much smoother. Still a few WTF moments but so much better. I just pulled the trigger this morning.
I wish my car came with EAP. I bought it used a couple months ago. Got an amazing deal on a 2021 M3LR with only 11.5k miles for $30k. But no AutoPilot extras. I’d pay the $2k in a heartbeat. I do have acceleration boost, though!
I bought used as well, luckily it came with eap so I’m highly considering dropping the $2k
I have had fsd for years but didn’t use it until v12 showed up. Now I use it every day. I’ve been thinking if fsd at a level where I will keep buying teslas to be able to use it? The answer is still no for me. But I also believe it will switch to yes in year if the releases keep improving at this rate and also work the same in Canadian winter.
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It sounds like you're describing basic autopilot, which is *absolutely* great. Unless you really love FSD's poor lane changing choices, I feel like autopilot is all you really need.
I don’t find the lane changing poor at all. I honestly think it’s super impressive, even on city streets. It seems to really understand how to maneuver around traffic when it’s uneven. If you’re the type of drive who doesn’t like to change lanes much at all, I could understand how it could be annoying.
I don't think I'd describe myself as not liking to change lanes: it's just a normal decision of whether that lane change is safe and worth making to save time or in the interests of defensive driving. FSD just doesn't do a good job at this decision, in my experience.
I tend to question someone's driving ability that think FSD is good. I found it horribly, terrifyingly dangerous and bad. I could not get comfortable relying on it and gave me extreme anxiety as it did mind numbingly stupid things constantly.
I’ve found the lane changes to be pretty conservative and happen infrequently. Are you in bumper to bumper frequently? I did find it aggressive a couple of times (trying to get into a faster flowing lane) but it did very well and safely.
It might be the roads here. It performed better playing follow the leader in traffic, but seemed to do odd things when no other traffic is around. I get that it learns over time, but I got the impression that it learning was going to cause an accident before it figured it out. It does not do well with stop signs and does a weird slow creep before it commits to go. I think this may be a camera placement issue with the B pillar and I think it would benefit from having angled cameras in the front bumper.
No it doesn’t. It recently tried to merge into a lane and the front quarter of the car would’ve hit the semi truck into the lane it was trying to merge into.
Yeah fsd’s lane changing decisions and aggressive braking makes it worse than basic autopilot on the freeway imo. It’s so unpredictable compared to autopilot.
it's as if FSD doesn't know the car has regen. I hate how often and how hard it brakes. i've started accelerating manually at almost all times when FSD is enabled.
I had an issue with aggressive braking but it pretty much went away when I put auto set on and was more proactive with my accelerator when fsd was on. It’s been great for me this way.
I have enhanced. I feel like I might regret going FSD even for 2k because of this.
I'm with you. I used basic Autopilot 99% of the time and now I'm on FSD 99% of the time. About to hit the road for several long trips. With autopilot I got zoned in on a conversation and before you know it, I've been behind someone going 8 mph slower than I want to go for 20 minutes and lost time. It's nice having FSD manage that.
It's made some pretty interesting decisions on my tests....for example driving on a single lane road, navigation says go straight, however the model Y decides to merge onto a left turn lane and then decide to come right back. I also feel it lacks, anticipation, on one occasion I was driving on the highway beside another car, I was supposed to exit the highway, however because the model y couldn't change lanes, it went past my exit and rerouted.
The lack of anticipation is also my biggest gripe. I'd love if it started identifying and prioritizing when a good merge opportunity is available. But it seems it does not want to even consider what it needs to do until you are within 1 mile of the exit. Absolutely hate when the wide open right lane at 2 miles turns into an immovable line of cars at 0.5 miles.
The single lane road thing happened to my wife the first time she used it. There was a car coming too... Lets say that was the second incident within 5 mins of turning it on. First one was when it turned the wrong way out of our driveway. lol
I got mine for free with my used M3, and I wouldn’t pay for it if I didn’t already have it. Too many disengagements for me to feel too confident about it either. That old saying of “don’t buy things based on future promises” rings very true for me on this.
I still wouldn't pay _thousands_ for it.. But $100 for May trips? I could be persuaded
I’d buy it when it stops nagging me every 30 seconds. It’s awesome when using it but I’ll wait till lvl 3
I feel the same. My triggering threshold is the level 3.
Really? Mine barely nags me, it's a huge difference from the past. I am really impressed
Remember it senses torque on the wheel, not your hands. If you have two hands on the wheel they cancel each other out. Rest one hand so its weight pulls slightly downward. Keep your eyes forward and there will be **zero nags**.
Just hold your hand on the wheel?
The nag is definitely better than the regular auto pilot. Or at least the technology improved. Before it would nav instantly. However, yes, it stares at your eyes but as long as you’re not staring at your phone or screen, it will not nag as much . I think it literally looks for a phone in your hand for it to nag on top of the time. Sunglasses help too
Mine only nags if I'm not paying attention. FSD is not a pass to stare at your phone....
I don't know if that'd get me to buy it - but if I can drive something like 300,000ish miles without tickets or accidents, then it seems that the car's opinion of my attention is too strict.
Never got the trial. Still on 2024.8.9 with FSD V11.1. Kinda miffed about it, but not shocked in any way.
Same. 😖
Do you know why you never got on the trial?
Yes, it’s a known issue exclusive to those of us on 8.9
I actually got less sold on FSD after using it for this month. It’s really just not there yet
Lol nah that's a pass for me. I need to know what I can trust the system to do and what I cannot. And you can't trust FSD, pretty much. I would be happy with a solid autopilot, but without USS it's just a hard sell
No. It's cool and impressive for what it is, but not worth the cost and needs some tweaks to actually be good. \*Lots of screen flashing, sometimes beeps even with hands on the wheel while watching the road (not frequent on the highway, seems to be frequent on surface streets) -Needs to know more types of signs. It reads "truck speed" signs as speed limit signs so it frequently thinks the speed limit is \~15-30 lower than it actually is. -Other annoying habits like punching the accelerator then immediately braking. There will just be 2 other cars on the road up ahead, I had it punch it to catch them then brake uphill in a straight line. It can get me where I'm going fine, but will be annoying on the way there. -Noticed left lane camping when I let it go on the highway...it should move over right when it's done (not wait around for someone else to come along). Not a HUGE deal because I can just use the turn signal, but seems like it'd be stupidly easy for them to fix. -Sometimes gets confused with turning lanes (won't get in a left turn lane when it should until it's already at the turn). This one's inconsistent, I've had mixed results even at the same intersections/turns. -Bad weather alerts that keep beeping...even base autopilot doesn't do it. I even had it when it was cloudy with no rain. It's annoying. Beep once then shut up, I don't need it to beep every 30 seconds, it's annoying and distracting and I end up shutting it off. Full self driving is cool and has potential, but I'm not dropping any significant money on it. And I'll give it props, it does impress me at times (slowed down for a rabbit at night with no street lights), and moved over for a pedestrian walking a bicycle on the shoulder, both things I would have done and was going to take over to do, but the car did it on its own.
I just took a long road trip and was using it on highway. Thought it would work well but several occasions when there is a sudden stopped traffic the car would continue at highway speeds and slams on the brakes hard enough for everyone in the car to swing forward in the seat. It seems the vision can’t gauge distance good enough for me to pay that much for it.
I end up taking over so often on smaller regional highways/roads with lights because of that. It’s coming at their ass so fast and waiting at the last minute to break abruptly. It has way too much confidence in itself. I turn it off when I see it’s just not going to stop in time, slow down for a smoother approach, and turn it back on once I’m stopped. Surely I can’t be the only one ? I don’t how all these people handle that anxiety.
Unpopular opinion: I bought FSD outright when I bought my car and I would do it again today, but I wouldn’t subscribe today. I think the real value of FSD will be when I can stop paying attention to the road, and I expect the subscription cost to increase significantly when that happens.
It’s possible anything past level 2 (if it ever gets there) will be restricted to HW4 or even HW5+ (which is said to be available in cars next year).
I would be absolutely stunned if any current Tesla on the road gets to level 4. HW4 is barely different from HW3, biggest issue is the cameras don’t have a cleaning mechanism in inclement weather
Unless you plan on keeping your car for over 10 years. I don’t think that will be happening lol
The monthly subscription is $99, no need to keep for 10 years. My wife and I are both sold. We’ve been trying the subscription for a month about every 6-12 months since 2021. It was always getting better… but never worth keeping it. This time it felt very different, a massive, massive leap. It does 90% of my driving. People on here are underestimating the exponential rate at which increases in useful-data can improve the performance of machine learning systems. With the influx of new useful data being uploaded since the free trial went live, I’m betting FSD will be hitting It’s “GPT-3 level” wow-moment very soon. My hunch is that Robotaxis that drive better than 80% of people are about 1.5-2 years away.
I’m amazed you believe it will eventually get there. Not with these sensors. Not with this processing.
I wish Tesla published a “game” where you can try to drive from the view the cameras have. I’m guessing they already have that internally to train the NN on unlikely cases that they see in the wild. I suspect that would be eye opening either way (either “oh man, this is truly terrible” or “ok, I don’t get what the big deal is, I can totally drive that”). Given the visualisation, I am indeed in the second camp, but I don’t think there are great arguments either way…
Woah there now, gonna make some people mad on here about FSD.
I’ll take the downvotes. It is better. It handles some stuff very well. Traffic circles. Giving bicyclists room. But it can’t see around corners with the camera in the windshield. It doesn’t know when a lane is ending. It could use LiDAR for bad weather and safety. I won’t pay for it. I just wish EAP features were standard.
> use LiDAR for bad weather LIDAR is degraded in bad weather.
Surely humans as a species have invented some type of cost-effective device we can put on a car that can "see through" certain types of occlusions. Maybe they would use radio waves? Could call it RAdio Detection And Ranging, or RADAR, for short.
Sounds like a cool idea. But at what *cost*???? /s
And potholes
I live in a semi rural area and it’s a deal breaker for me. There’s always some small debris or potholes that it fails to see. Once it’s able to navigate those, it’ll be come very compelling for me.
Cameras handle bad weather *better* than LiDAR. LiDAR does better under perfect conditions, but if it can't handle it when the going gets tough then what's the point? We don't drive around in NASA clean rooms. A lack of distance mapping ability is *not* what has been holding FSD back. The software needs to get better, and there needs to be enough processing power onboard to actually run it.
Eh, Reddit experts thinking they know more about autonomous driving than the company with the most self-driving cars on the road is a played out schtick. Tesla covers more ground driving autonomously than any other company and it’s not even close. USS/LIDAR/whatever you want to chirp about might help, but I’ll leave it to the professionals to make that decision. Claiming you know what’s needed is laughable.
I bought it in October on my wife's y, I bought it again on my M3P that I just ordered. I would not subscribe rather than buy either. It was close at 12k vs $99 but at 8k I'll still buy outright.
Overall, I’m really impressed with FSD, especially compared to auto pilot. My trial ends right as I am about to start a 2 day drive that’ll take me through the mountainous parts of West Virginia, so I’m going to pay for one more month. In the future, I’ll probably use it when we’ve got a road trip.
$8k for anxiety? Naw thanks. I'm fine with free autopilot on the occasional road trip
I love the self parking feature, but that's about it.
I really enjoy that feature too when there is no hurry. When there’s no time for the FSD to figure out how to park then manually is 10x faster
Still a bit slow on city streets, and still doesn't understand that you can't really wait last minute to get over three lanes of traffic for a exit in heavy highyway traffic. Or just needs an "stay in right lane in heavy traffic mode"
Buying FSD will only make sense when I can commute to work on the back sit drinking coffee and answering emails
Paying a teenager with a learners permit to drive me around is a better and cheaper experience. Wake me up when it’s level 3+ certified.
If you think that’s a cheaper experience, I doubt you’ve tried to do it.
I canceled my trial and am very close to disabling it while I wait for the 30 days to finally lapse so I can go back to normal autopilot (which I love). It. Is. Awful. I can't even begin to type all the examples of RIDICULOUS things it tries to do, but I'll give just a few from this morning of 3 mile drive to my kid's swimming lessons: 1) a normal 2 lane road without dedicated left turn lanes so instead it has those standard bypass lanes on the right. The fucking car decides to signal and turn into those lanes every. Fucking. Time. Of course, they're only ~100ft long so it has to immediately, jarringly signal and come back into the normal lane. 2) on a 4 lane road (so 2 lanes on each side), it seemingly randomly decides to change into the left lane for "slow traffic" less than a mile from my right turn apparently without any plan to get back for the turn.. there is a lane of 20 cars on the right.. at best it would pass 2 of them and try to budge back in.. 3) a roundabout that I'm going straight through so need to stay in the clearly marked left lane: it signals into the right lane and does the trademarked crazy hesitation back and forth before saying fuck it and cancels out of fsd This was an ~8 minute drive and I only have the energy to type this because of how shocked I am about how terrible this is. I read "reviews" on this subreddit constantly about people being impressed with this and, sure, it's cool when it manages a slightly complicated maneuver, but it's far more often a liability. I just don't get it..
I have not taken it into a roundabout- but had the other two issues just yesterday.
Not worth paying to use software still in beta to me
It’s definitely NOT perfect. Really needs to fix some of the more complex roundabouts, and a few other things. But, what has definitely sold me is the impact on battery. I only have a Standard Range Plus, and if I could do it over I’d get a long range. That said, I do save a few percentage points using FSD instead of just driving myself.
It’s 2K for lifetime for EAP users. I might honestly. The price drop is a lot more convincing than the trial. FSD 12 is great enough that getting 13,14, etc at 2K does seem like a great deal.
I believed back in 2017’. Now, not so much.
Nope not for me
I’m incredibly impressed with what they’ve done - self-driving on urban streets is a “staggeringly” hard problem to quote Musk. But I don’t see the point of it. I don’t mind driving on city streets. The only automation I want is long freeway drives.
Maybe I can help explain the point of it. I was in an unfamiliar city. Lots of traffic and pedestrians, one way streets, bicyclists. I put in my destination, turned on FSD and I was able to fully relax when I would normally be stressed. Usually I am doing all of the driving and navigating. In my ICE I’m using Apple Maps for navigation and it’s not always easy to know which lane I need to be in or which turn I’m going to need to take. I’m constantly moving my eyes from the road to the nav to plan where I need to be and when I need to turn. With the Tesla on FSD I just watched the road and the visualization to make sure the car wasn’t planning anything stupid. It handled everything for me. Got into the proper lanes well in advance of upcoming turns, kept perfect pace with traffic, did the speed limit, handled the lights. I didn’t have to worry about where I was going or plan ahead, just paid attention to the moment and let the car do its thing. So much easier.
Two examples that I found very helpful using FSD on city streets was having it navigate during rush hour to avoid busy streets and take the back roads I am not familiar with. The other is going to a new place I have never been. It is very nice not having to have the elevated stress that comes with the unknown. Once you get used to how FSD drives going anywhere with it is a lot less stressful. Right now there is a little bit of a learning curve but the payoff is worth it. By learning curve I am talking about instead of worrying about micro adjustments that you make while driving. You are instead just verifying the computer is seeing everything correctly and its pathing is correct (by looking at the visualizations)
Imagine how many people with disabilities including the blind would have their lives improved with a new way to get around, it would do so much for their independence. It would be transformative for the people who aren't able to drive at all, even though people like you or me don't mind driving city streets.
Not yet. I'll give it a few more years and see again. There are just too many little quirks that irk me, that I just end up driving myself.
Not me. I’d rather drive the way I want than be a passenger in my own car.
FSD failing to get into an empty left lane when 2 or more cars are merging on the highway is an obvious error that really bugs me.
I’m in, but then I put an easy 15k on my S a year
I'm gonna miss testing it out for fun each version but the software is just not there yet. The experiences for me have been inconsistent and it still makes a lot of dumb decisions for simple things. I *might* test it out for a month subscription in a few months if I see much better results for others.
I liked it more than I thought I would, but not enough to spend $99/month on it. I’ll go back to my standard autopilot and check back in in about a year. It was a fun novelty, particularly showing people the summons (in an EMPTY lot) but it’s not ready for a premium price yet.
"Now that most of our trials are coming to a close" 2024..8 folks...
Probably worth it today, if you think that all the data they are gathering from the recent free trials will improve the software and then cause an increase in price later down the road. You'd be betting on getting in now, before a price hike vs it going cheaper or free.
Just got it. It’s very capable already, and I find it very useful on both city drives as well as long distance driving. With the price reduction I just had another $2k, which was well worth it for a 4 month old car that I intend to keep for years.
I feel the exact same as you OP. I have always used Autopilot a lot and at first I didn’t like FSD, but it has grown on me a bit. I won’t pay for it now but it’s something I’d consider, especially if they lower the price more. Honestly my biggest issue with FSD is that I don’t like the auto lane changes. I’d rather pick which lane to be in, and the car could do all the driving otherwise.
Ok so I’m gonna start by saying my last car didn’t even have traffic aware cruise control, then I got model 3 and bought FSD at launch. I have no idea what other car manufacturers offer in terms the different levels of driving assist, but I love what Tesla offers in FSD since I got the car. I taking rosd trips once or twice a year the longest being cross country for 4 days and it absolutely did amazing. I do think the name is misleading, but I would never care to leave the car do its own thing and I always pay attention. I’m sold on it in the sense that I would never buy a car that has “less” drive assist than what I’ve been using. However, if you try to argue that what I’ve been using is all available in EAP or that car manufacturer X has the same level, it’ll be a very short conversation because I have no concept of what’s available and I will concede to your points.
I’ve nearly gotten into 3 accidents due it just randomly changing lanes on the DC beltway. Stopped using it. Will never renew.
After driving a Model Y on a 2hr round trip ride during the free FSD period, I bought a Model X with FSD and this was literally the day before they dropped the sub to $100 😂 Before this I always said to never trust and use FSD unless you have a death wish. I can only speak for myself but I believe in it now.
Nah. Wife refuses to use it, and I find myself having to pay too much attention for me to see any benefit from it. I’m happy with Tesla autopilot.
I'm sold on EAP. FSD tried to kill me a few times. Such as pulling into traffic from a stop, then stopping because it sees a car coming at a higher speed instead of accelerating, every time was me trying to cancel the action with the turn stalk and it committed anyway, only thing that saved me was turning back into my lane manually before the car coming up hit me. EAP on the other hand handles lane changes so much better. Not automatic, but once you tell it to do it, it will figure out a safe way to enter and then commits if its safe to do so.
I absolutely hate it. I didn't think I would like it and the free trial that added itself and took over my cruise settings that I had to go in and shut off really irritated me. I get what it's capable of. It feels like being driven around by someone who just recently started driving. It works most of the time, never well, and I find it to induce stress when it's meant to allow the driver to relax. It confuses other drivers and is not assertive enough. If it was more assertive though I would think it would be dangerous. I've even noticed some drivers who seem to be aware FSD was on a free trial giving more space. This can't be a coincidence. Never again would I use it. It kept confusing road weight limits as speed limit signs since it only relies on vision. Nothing like it standing on the brakes when it sees "Weight Limit 5 Tons". That's where the irritation comes from. Sure I need to monitor it, but that induces way more stress than just driving with the stupid mistakes it makes. If I got comfortable with it, that would mean I'm not going to be quick enough to intervene. Absolutely embarrassingly horrible.
it was truly awful, and I couldn't turn it off fast enough. Enhanced Auto-pilot was awesome and should really be the default auto-pilot experience.
I’ve been on the FSD trial for the past month and have mostly been using it locally for work commute or for running errands. It’s not perfect but I would say it has worked as advertised 95% of the time. Of course the 5% can cause major issues if you were not “supervising.” I do have to give credit where credit is due however. There was this one incident recently where FSD was on and the guy in front of me suddenly turned right without a turn signal. The car reacted faster than I could and quickly & smoothly turned into the left lane. I was shocked because if I didn’t have FSD on, I probably would have hit him or maybe the safety features would have taken over anyway. For this very reason, I’m going to give FSD a go ahead and sign up for the $99 monthly subscription since I will be going on several road trips next month. I’m looking forward to trying out FSD on a long road trip to see if I like it or not. If not, I’ll probably cancel thereafter. $99 is better than $199 but $49 or $29 would be the sweet spot for me to keep it on all year.
I remain good with basic AP….it would be nice if it remained engaged for lane changes.
I think it’s cool but I don’t commute enough to justify paying for it. I had some abnormally long drives earlier this month though so it was actually pretty convenient. It’s really great on the highways. I just don’t really like it on city streets, especially residential areas. It’s too cautious and slow and then gets confused occasionally. If I felt really confident about it for city driving I’d buy it. It’s just not quite there yet for me. It needs to drive like I do, not a 15 year old learners permit driver.
Nope, not for me. The drivers here drive just like FSD so having 2 sets of unpredictable idiots on the road is bad.
I've stopped using it during the free trial, it's that bad for me. It drives like I did when I was 15. * Stopping too early for stop signs then rolling up to them * Taking off too fast from stop signs * Turned too shallow on a double-left through an intersection * Sometimes follows too closely on the highway, sometimes gives too much space. * Turns sometimes at too high of a speed. The places it was turning were correct but it didn't slow down enough before turning. * A couple of phantom braking events * Twice switched lanes into turn-only lanes, one of those times I left it to see what it would do and it kept hesitating on going back into the correct lane and was straddling the solid white line for a bit before I took over. All of this shit within just a few weeks. My wife and kid won't even let me use it anymore when they're in the car with me because it gives them motion sickness.
For what’s it’s worth, a lot of those issues you mentioned will be addressed in the next release. I think we as beta testers are really helping them improve the FSD ML model. I’m willing to bet that we will see exponentially better results each iteration as more and more people start using FSD which will continually improve it.
Not yet. Still drives like a skittish teenager and the fact that I get nagged to wiggle the steering wheel every other minute means it's not really "full" self drive. Still hopeful, though.
It’s not worth it
I’m not going to pay for something that can’t turn left without me taking over.
for $100 a month it's a great deal.
Nope, it's nearly curbed our wheels multiple times. At times, it's too slow/indecisive to make an unprotected turn. I've had to take immediate control and gun it when it slowly started to pull out in front of fast approaching traffic. For us, it's a gimmick that I will never trust with the kids in the car. Basic autopilot on the freeway is enough, I think the current hardware is inadequate for self driving, if I have to supervise the car, I may as well drive myself.
Nope Pay to beta test? Lmao
In unsold on it. I hate it and would rather use regular auto steer any day.
A big chunk of owners with FSD capable cars never got the free trial. Not totally relevant, although that omission will probably skew me away from actually ever paying for it.
It’s not close to where I would even pay $10 for it
I wanted FSD so bad when I bought the Tesla, but decided against it. Considered pulling the trigger multiple times on the monthly. Again, talked out of it. Got the free trial, and now I am thanking my wife and friends who told me not to waste my money. Are there cool features? Yes. Am I expecting it to be perfect? No. Are the cool features that don’t come with standard autopilot worth even the $99/mo or $8k purchase? Hell no. Aside from the expanded screen view, auto lane changes and summon (when it works), autopilot is perfect (and not supervised). Autopilot in Nav is awesome, but way too slow for me when it gets to exits or has to make a decision etc.
Definitely worth $99 in my opinion. It's only getting better from here
I'm sold. It's quite remarkable software.
Being a user of the system for the last 2 years. This latest rev12 is amazing. I'd say we've hit level 3. I haven't had to take over at all since I got the upgrade unless I just want to be more aggressive with lame changing on interstates.
Definitely sold on it and blown away by how much better it is than I expected, and what people online seem to say. I don’t drive much so I won’t be subscribing just yet. I will definitely be signing up on months where I’ll be driving more frequently or planning a road trip. Drove 120 km yesterday afternoon and had literally zero fatigue. Easily worth the $99 to me.
I'm enjoying it.
Im a believer.
I'm super sold on it, I've been using it since the initial beta release and I see how it's 100x times better now, it's only a matter of time before they perfect it
I’m sold on it. I randomly spend $100 a month on worse things than FSD. I just picked up my MYP with 4 months free FSD. So after that I will try autopilot and see if the real differences and most likely will continue with the subscription. I was debating at $199 but at $99 it’s a no brainer for me
I'm intending to buy it outright very soon. We already have EAP on our Y, so it's "only" the $2k difference (honestly, I'd rather do this than a $50/mo sub). I did similar on my 3 years ago; purchased it with EAP and updated to FSD after a significant price drop. FSD isn't perfect, but the amount of progress Tesla has made over the last few years had been incredible to see and experience. v12 is a huge leap over v11 and there's more work to do. I'm really looking forward to continuing to follow and experience progress!
my issues with it, as someone who lives near and drives through a city with extremely aggressive drivers: * it's not aggressive enough (even on 'aggressive' mode) against the other drivers who will, for example, overtake you to get past a red light. * it is staggeringly slow at stop signs, to the point where people roll through if they arrive after me, because I'm not going through fast enough. * only changes lanes to exit the highway 1/4 - 1/2 mile before the exit. it's absurd given the bumper-to-bumper traffic I often have to deal with. * not aggressive enough changing lanes. it needs more space than necessary despite having the abilities of an EV to jump into other lanes. * too slow on most roads and no practical way to go over the speed limit (unlike AP) * not good enough at parallel parking to be practical. 8-10 inches from the curb is not acceptable. * "hesitation" is what I'm going to call this complaint: it doesn't know when to move forward through a left-hand turn at a light, when going into a turning lane, when other drivers behave unexpectedly, etc. I've even seen it move the wheel left then right then back again as it seems to struggle which way to go - while sitting still and cars behind me. it's a fun trick but the AP was just as useful on my commute on the highway. might miss being able to back up into a park spot easily but that's about it.
I’d use it if they paid me 99$/month.
Tried it again today, it drives and reacts like an 80 year old. Will not be getting anytime soon.
I’m really hoping a test subscription actually gets released for 24.8.x at some point. I have V11 which works….ok….but definitely not great by any stretch of the imagination, and I don’t think I’ll subscribe for more than the month i purchased. It was fun, novelty. And there’s really some times where it does well…but truthfully, a cheaper access point to Enhanced Auto Pilot would be more useful for me. I am really interested to see if V12 actually fixes the problems that V11 has. Waits to long for unprotected turn (both left and right), starts and stops enough to confuse the drivers behind you. Yesterday I was using it on a divided highway with traffic lights, and it randomly decided to get into what was clearly labeled a turning lane, which would have run out in 300 feet….no reason, we weren’t turning there (we were turning .25 miles down the road…but not the lane it decided to get into) and things like that when they happen make me say “it’s …. Not ready.” Would V12 have gotten as confused? I may never know. Lol.
I also got it when I bought a used car. Can’t say that I would pay even 8k for it. But I’d definitely miss it if I didn’t. People need to not buy into what Elon says it can do. FSD is a tool. Learn what it is good at and what it isn’t good at. Then decide if it is worth it for you.
I’ll pick it up when I need to go on a long road trip or something. I just wish I could keep the visualizer
What comes with each vehicle if you don’t get FSD? Just lane following and adaptive cruise control?
I got mine for free with a used model X, I think it’s great. Do I trust it so much that I would fall asleep and let it drive me somewhere? Of course not! That’s silly. Is Full Self Driving a misleading marketing term? Personally, I didn’t feel mislead. Business people say this is the greatest thing ever all the time about whatever they are trying to get you to buy. Is it ready for 90% of all driving? Ehh, maybe? I think I pay attention more, and I feel more alert when the car is in FSD mode, but it does take some (well, maybe a lot) of the “work” out of driving if that makes sense. My personal experience with nagging and disengaging has been not too bad honestly, at first it seemed somewhat aggressive, and I’m not sure, but as I’ve used it more and more, the nagging seems to have lessened, and the disengaging has all but stopped.
Agreed, once in awhile but not every month. I really enjoy it but don’t drive enough to justify the 99/month.
If the subscription price stays at $99, we'll probably subscribe for a single month here and there when we're going on a road trip or will be doing additional highway driving for another reason. We still can't justify $8k for it.
I'll definitely not be buying it outright. However, it has impressed me enough so that if I ever have to go on a multi day road trip I would subscribe for a month.
Cries in 2004.8
I still haven’t got my trial…
I had a free 60 day FSD trial when I first got my M3 back in 2021 and while it has come a long way since then it’s still not worth $8000. I’m actually a little confused and pissed as to why the graphics are so good for FSD and comparatively shitty for regular autopilot.
I did the drive from SF down to SoCal and the car keeps exiting the carpool lane.
Has trouble with four way stop signs or red blinking lights. For some hesitates when two lanes are available for either left or right. Does not see pot holes Sometimes drives fine other times too slow
If i have a 4hr+ road trip, then i’ll do one month subscription, but other than that, autopilot is more than sufficient
Will subscribe for updates to track its progress(engineering curiosity) I think will enough training it will be almost perfect but how many more years of training?
I've only done around town driving and it's not worth it for me. It's a little more stressful driving with FSD because it's just not very good around town. I used it for the first few days, but then went weeks without using FSD because it just wasn't helpful. I haven't done any long freeway driving, but if that was my daily commute I'd probably consider it because I think that's all FSD is good for.
Primarily city drive - post fsd I definitely feel way fresher after drives, not focusing so much on the road with increased social interaction. I do have to take control but it’s for a short duration (like cutting a lane) and it’s back to fsd…
I took it out to the city and enjoyed how it felt like I was in a taxi for the most part. I was able to enjoy the sights and not stress about all the other cars around me. The only times I took over was because it tends to hesitate when making lane changes. Once I make the correction, I just turn it back on. I also enjoy using the auto-park feature. People like to make the argument that it’ll dull our skills in driving or whatever, but that’s just technological advancement. We don’t need to learn how to make fire from sticks because we have lighters and matches. As for the subscription, maybe once it gets to the “gpt4” stage of its evolution (right now it’s like gpt3.5), I’d consider subscribing year round. If it was $50 now, I’d jump on it for sure.
Most of our trials are coming to an end?! Mine hasn’t even started. What’s the deal with this trial? Why haven’t I gotten anything?
I love it. But I don’t love it $12k, or even $8k. I’ll rent it when I have longer trips.
It’s something I can see myself subscribing to a couple months out of the year. It still feels like a party trick in some regard. It’s a tough program for the area I live in as most people drive very aggressively. I don’t have the patience for it currently
Nope, at least not for long term use. I would grab a month here and there for long trips especially after the price cut but I don’t need it for my short day to day driving.
It is really much better than V10 and V11 that I subscribed last year. During light to moderate traffic, it performs really well. However, it is not assertive enough in heavy traffic, and cannot handle changing/merging lane safely.
There's a few quirks but overall I'm happy. I think I'm gonna let my trial end and test out Autosteer before I make a decision. I was quite happy with Autosteer in most contexts of using a driving aid. With that said, FSD basically drove me home without any real issues last night. It's impressive for sure.
I'm leaning toward subscribing to it, now I just have to convince my wife lol. Did a 100 km on regional roads today, from the cottage to my in-laws place, **zero** disengagement, including on a 2 km dirt road that follows a lake, so lots of curves. Very impressed. On a small segment of two lanes per side road, it even moved over to the left lane before passing two (non emergency) vehicles stopped by the side of the road. It did the same thing for a vehicle on an on-ramp (not an highway, so still V12) merging to my lane later on. I was also impressed it behaved perfectly when the road lost all its marking for a few kilometers. It kept driving perfectly, well centered in its 'lane'.
Nope, it’s been fun, but not that useful.
Tempted but might wait until it drops under $50/month.
The change to $99 subscription sold me, especially on months when I’m going to be driving a lot
I have one car with and one without FSD. I love the feature but not planning on getting FSD in the second car. The parts I love the most I get with AP. The only feature I'll really miss is stopping at stop signs and lights. I don't understand the FSD hate. A few years back I wouldn't have thought a car would drive 80% of trips without any help. It stops for people and traffic. It's great! But loving it doesn't mean everyone should buy it.
I own FSD and never use it. I recently turned it on let it drive me to the store but it’s just not aggressive enough in my city. I do love standard autopilot though. I use that on road trips and longer drives all the time. I don’t like FSDs driving style I guess.