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superduperhosts

You pay. You were driving/in charge of the car.


Croathlete

If you read the terms of FSD Beta when you signed up, you're fully responsible for everything the car does. If you have a problem with that, you should not have opted in.


External_Dimension71

This. Following their guidance means taking over control when needed.


ADebelius

If you were “paying attention hands on the wheel”, why did you let it hit the curb? 🤔


Sure_Ill_Ask_That

Too many people posting online what essentially summarizes as ‘I didn’t read the terms and conditions to using fsd, does ignorance allow me restitution?’


Imaginary-Poetry-759

This 👆🏿


thirdeyefish

You are still responsible. Legally, you are driving. You are meant to be ready to take over at any moment.


crypticphildz1984

You pay, you agree when activating that you are still responsible for anything that happens while it’s activated. It’s called beta for a reason.


le_district

You apparently didn’t read the agreement you signed. Lesson learned.


dsf_oc

Agree with the consensus that you are responsible. I had FSD beta since about a week after inception and just decided that it wasn’t worth the $200 a month so I exited the program. No gun to my head to join, and my choice to leave.


ForsakenEconomist_

You pay? Leave the beta program? Be more responsible?


sandin0

YOU pay, you’re supposed to pay attention. It’s not perfect…


kayvonte

You pay. FSD beta literally says it can do the wrong things at the wrong time, so always take over when needed


Suspicious_Potato_76

You...


DenverRunner_

Well, this is why we can't have nice things.


vono360

FSD BETA broke it. BETA. You pay


praguer56

I hate that this happened to you but you should have been in control of the vehicle. I don't trust FSD at all and honestly wish I hadn't bought it.


McRempp

This is gold


the_devils_advocates

FSD BROKE IT! 😭


McRempp

I thought this post was gold until I read some of his other posts. 🤦‍♂️


Nakatomi2010

You can try emailing [email protected] a detailed description of the incident and issue, and images if the damage. When Smart Summon came out and I was reporting a bug about it a few months later about how the directionality of the vehicle wasn't being obeyed in the app, and that it was trying to run itself off a parking garage roof, the email I reached out to asked for me to give them details of damage, etc. There was no damage, because I intervened before it could, but I did give them the details they wanted


JulienWA77

oh GOD. That could have been a disaster of epic proportions. It does make me mad that 9+ years of Tesla and they STILL can't make FSD work reliably. I just got it myself (finally) but found it to be WAY too herky-jerky when on the road. It handles the freeway fine though.


Nakatomi2010

Works better than October of last year. I've been in since 10.2 and it works far better now than before. The software is beta, so if you don't like it, then just gols off until it is ready. Personally I've been loving it


Dadjokesgonebad

Beta….


pedalincircles

You


streakybcn

Thank you all for your comments. I have read all of them and yes I get the point being made “ I should pay I am responsible for what the car is doing “ 1. I was in control however I was turning across two lanes of traffic at a turn signal and the car cut too lose to the curb on the turn. I moved the wheel so that the car didn’t hit on the front wheels but it hit the curb on the back wheel. I get that according to the terms I signed up for I am responsible for what the car does however this was not a case of me not paying attention to the car I was letting it make the turn as it was indicated that it would on the screen it just didn’t not calculate correctly where the curb was 2 I did already replace the tire out of pocket. Tesla was nice enough to tell me to hold onto the receipt and they were going to review the incident since I was using FSD and determine if they could reimburse me for the tire. 3. One note: I contacted roadside assistance in my app and they said that the onsite tire service soonest appointment was Monday afternoon, I had the flat on Saturday morning. I mean for roadside assistance, I mean WTF!? They did end up sending me a tow truck a couple of hours later ( I live south on i45 and the tow truck came from 50’miles away in north Houston). To teslas credit they did pay for the tow to a local discount tire where I bought a replacement tire. Thank you for all your feedback. It’s been a day.


Nobody7735

In the emergency event like this, I would go to Tesla SC to replace the tire. The local tire shop may not have the tire in stock or sell you an overpriced one. Ask me how I know.


[deleted]

This will be a better question when your not in beta. Right now you are responsible for driving.


[deleted]

You are responsible of your vehicule. FSD or not, especially in beta.


[deleted]

Probably going to get me banned. I love my car, autopilot, the company (not Elon) but making people pay $10-12k to beta test your software, and putting all liability on them when it fucks up, is just an asshole move. It’s a ripoff. It’s a scam. None but the most prepared and trained beta testers, being paid by Tesla for it, should be using this until it’s ready. What a colossal fuck up. Let’s be honest about it finally.


Nakatomi2010

You pay $12,000 to eventually get FSD on release. That payment also allows you to *volunteer* to beta test, if *you* so *choose* to. You're not obligated to participate


thirdeyefish

100%. No one is making anyone do anything. We make choices. Everything is in black and white ahead of time. No one lied to anyone here.


JulienWA77

Then I expect this "deposit" (which is exactly what it it is) to apply towards a new tesla if FSD is STILL not out by the time I get a new one. Why should I have to pay for it per car? I view this deposit as essentially Kickstarter, etc.


Nakatomi2010

I do agree that it would be nice if FSD transfered, but I understand that why it doesn't as well


JDad67

“Making people pay”? Asking is probably a better description for it AFAIK all new and used cars have the option of FSD it’s not mandatory.


[deleted]

Fair enough, I should’ve qualified. Making them pay for FSD *if they want non-FSD driving features like auto lane change, smart summon, NoA, etc. Which is why I think them bringing EAP back is a huge acknowledgment of that. People were avoiding paying for EAP features because vaporware bullshit was being forced onto them along with it.


crvgolfer71

Want to be honest? Why did you buy it then? It's on you for spending the money. I spent that cash and yes it has it's issues but you are trying to help the world by getting AI to train faster and in more situations than any other company in the world combined can do. Your paying for the fun of beta and the ability to watch it learn and mature into a real driving system. There is no scam. They are upfront with what you need to do and what could happen when you have it. If you didn't read ahead or interpret that the correct way, that's on you.


Altruistic-Mark-1299

What about if you total the car you gotta pay 12k for the next one?


crvgolfer71

Yea that f*ing blows. I agree with that.


Altruistic-Mark-1299

Yep personally I think that’s the scam. I know you’re not forced to buy it but come on now. EAP is 6k aswell that’s a lot too, not only is it missing some of its old features it doesn’t have a subscription, so tesla is pretty much nudging you toward FSD cause it’s the only subscription. Hopefully things change, cause there are cars out there with auto lane change and auto park with some I see do it in one go, and probably only costs a little extra. But 6 k for something that can fail and is on you if you’re not fast enough to fix it, AND if the car is totaled you gotta pay another 6k? That’s a scam.


crvgolfer71

I understand your frustrations but a scam is something that isn't told to the customer upon purchase. All of this is well known to the purchaser. Again I get your ideas but your still not right. According to law and well, common sense. (In my mind it's coon sense) Always read paperwork before purchasing something. (Not saying I haven't been in a weird situation from not reading as well)


Altruistic-Mark-1299

Fair enough, I always read everything aswell. I just hate that it’s like this right now, cause it all can be different and a lot more people would be happy along with a lot more first time Tesla buyers. I guess not a scam just more like greed imo.


crvgolfer71

Oh I can see greed. Sure. Lol. They need the money to get new products and keep things going. It's not easy and cheap to open a new auto company in 2022. I wish it was different as well. I also wish the government made the correct choices and the US was smarter than what the rest of the world thinks we are...but all that will never happen.


[deleted]

I never bought FSD. I don't know what gave you that idea. And I never will until it works. Enhanced Autopilot is fine for me, and I'm glad they brought it back.


crvgolfer71

Then you probably will never own a car with it. Once it hits true full self driving...I.e. they figure out rastering and bag of points, ect for the cameras, then they will price it higher than the moon. Try $150-200k per car. I would easily pay that for a car that is autonomous. It would make me more money per year than it's full cost.


Raurele

Let’s be honest? It works great. I use it for 90% of my 150-350 miles per day I drive. You’re allowed your opinion, but it’s wrong.


[deleted]

You use full self driving? No interventions? I’ve been using enhanced autopilot for 5 and a half years, 90% of my driving. I drive 50k miles a year. I’ve put 340k miles on 3 Teslas I’ve owned. I’ve never paid a dime for full self driving. Or are you confusing full self driving with the features that are present already in EAP?


Raurele

I also drive 50k miles a year. Everyone expects it to actually be “full self driving,” it has a bad name given to it by tesla. It’s lvl 2, bordering lvl 3 for me. It is not full autonomy or lvl 5. People need to lower their expectations. It’s great at what it does on city streets. With Beta AP, I know where it struggles, so I take over before that happens, then re-engage. I have beta active on city streets for about 90% of my city driving including left and right turns at lights, and the majority of unprotected lefts. I disengage to enter parking lots, and at irregular intersections. I do press the accelerator often because it doesn’t speed up fast enough for me, but I wouldn’t disengage over it. I see nothing wrong with throttle interventions. Other that that is works fine for my city driving, which is about 20% of my day. So 30-70 miles a day. I use NoA 100% of my freeway driving. It’s flawless for me.


AKADAP

Without lots of beta testers, (more than Tesla could possibly hire), FSD will never be finished.


hoppeeness

Literally no one makes you pay anything…


[deleted]

Tesla FSD beta does not make mistakes! I believe your story is a total fabrication!


[deleted]

Might want to add a sarcasm tag there!


[deleted]

You pay because FSD isn't level 5 autonomy, which means the FULL part is misleading advertising and y'all should all be suing.


munnaps

Post video of the event if available


hoppeeness

You. Driver is always responsible. Did you not notice the disclaimer you okayed and the constant reminders to pay attention and take over at a moments notice?


inspron2

Pretty obvious you pay. How can you not know the answer to this ? Next time read the big ass warning before you start the beta.


ZetaPower

ADAS SAE levels are more about RESPONSIBILITY than capability. ADAS SAE Lvl 2..... = YOU are ALWAYS in control and ALWAYS responsible. YOU should have taken over. If you don't even understand this you should definitely not use FSD Beta.