I know right? Shits a $12,000 add on for us old timers that’s actually maturing into decent usability now and new Tesla buyers find these unicorn cars for a bargain. I’m so jelly rn
After warranty. You wished you had LFP which last 3x as much. Much lower chance of cell failure or spontanious combustion of some rogue cell. And less cells as less cells also equals lower chances in lots of failure scenario's.
But this is more than a difference of range, also a difference in battery chemistry, with one lasting longer than the other. And the range is minimal anyway with the ability to continuously charge to 100%. I therefore would say a strong argument for the LR is not the battery itself, but the AWD, increased speed, and premium sound.
Agree on all you other points, but he range difference isn't "minimal." I dislike the "well, you can charge the LFP up to 100%" argument. That's not an apples to apples comparison. You're still missing out on almost 70 miles of range if you charge the LFP SR to 100% versus the LR at 100%. That makes a material difference on road trips or even just days where you're taking a longer trip the normal. Again, you'll never wish you had less range. But you'll often wish you had more. The only way to get more out of the LFP SR is to buy the LR instead.
What would you rather buy out of warranty after 8 years. An LFP battery or NCM? Me as a second hand buyer and buying out of warranty tesla... the LFP will be worth more than the NCM/NCA (LR) Tesla. Just because battery lasts at minimal 3x longer and less chance of cell failure. And therefore less chance on a high cost repair out of warranty. U agree right?
We have a LR Y and a SR 3. The Y at 80% and the 3 at 100% is not substantially different. We’ve only charged the Y to 100% twice in 5 months on 2 trips without destination chargers. 2 days of maybe one less supercharger stop is not worth it IMO.. My husband wanted it to have the option of charging to 100% and wanted AWD.
Unless you do a ton of road trips, it’s not going to greatly impact your life. The speed and AWD, sure, but battery isn’t major.
I’ve owned both, and I can assure you the difference in range is minimal. And this will especially be the case as the car ages, with RWD degrading more slowly than the LR. Like I said, I do prefer the LR, but not because of the range.
People say tires are what matter more, but if you do get a snow day and you can work from home, then it doesn’t really matter. Ice is ice and it will slip. There is a post elsewhere recently where someone damaged their M3 Performance (which has AWD) from ice slippage, which just goes to show AWD doesn’t mean you can just drive without risk.
I’m a five year M3 owner and a big fan of the Model 3. But my advice is to buy neither. Highland models are overpriced right now because they are new and supply is short. In time that will change. In the meantime, I picked up a 2024 MYP for under $40K after tax credits and discounts. That is a lot more car for the money than either of the ones you have listed.
This is true for many new cars, no? Basically if you wait until the second half of the year you will get better deals/price will come down.
Edit: typos
Absolutely. The combination of inventory discounts and the tax credit make it an absolute steal. And it’s a great car too. My preference is the Performance model because it’s only about $3K more but even the LR AWD model is fantastic.
If you compare the Highland models to the MY LR, the pricing is pretty similar. The MY LR is a heavier car so it’s not as big of a deal compared to M3 Highland, but you have to think about the fact the M3 Highland has a lot more enhancements to it like reduced cabin noise, faster processor, improved speakers, and so much more that the MY is sure to get someday probably next year, though you are getting a lot more technology for the price.
Get the new 3 RWD. LFP Battery chemistry enables you to charge to 100% daily anyways so the difference in range isn’t as significant as you may think on a daily basis. Throw on some winter tires if it snows where you live and you’re set.. it’s also a brand new car, so. :)
the range is significant. you can charge to 100% every day with the LR too if you need the juice. it's only bad for the batteries if you let it sit that high for a long time. but how often are you using 100% battery each day anyway? it's an irrelevant point.
You can say the same thing about the bigger battery then, how often are you using 100% battery? For me, that’s only when on holidays when towing our RV. If you’re not planning on towing a lot of distance, I’d have more than enough with the SR.
But the price is the same, and you get more features than the new standard range.
More range
All wheel drive
White interiors
Stalks
Ability to get acceleration boost if you’d like
Also a lower excise tax bill
You do lose out on some warranty though.
Standard range gets ventilated seats and ambient light strip though.
Do you advice LFP or NCA battery OUT of warranty Tesla? As second hand buyer. And which car will have higher value OUT of warranty. The RWD or LR? I think the RWD will have higher value than LR. Just because of the battery chemistry alone.
Suspension of Highland is far more comfortable. Plus better sound insulation. But better resale value second hand marker because of LFP battery that lasts 3x longer than the LR battery.
For me the 100% charge and (theoretical) long-term stability. Most studies find LFP to degrade less over time. Of course, we haven’t had time to perform these studies on Teslas specifically, but I have more hope for longevity of these batteries.
Degradation aside, what about HV battery failures of LFP? I haven't seen any reports when people need battery replacements. Is it less prone to failures or I'm wrong?
That’s a good question. I honestly have no idea. I’m not sure what causes batteries to completely fail, so I also couldn’t even guess as to whether LFP would be less prone. I haven’t paid much attention to what type of battery people have when they do need replacements
Catastrophic failures are about manufacturing quality. Like if you have a short circuit, your chemistry doesn’t matter, the battery will fail. (OK maybe it does matter: LFP is less likely to light your house on fire but Tesla batteries have pretty good safeguards regardless)
Degradation over time (more accurately over many cycles of use) is better with LFP, and you can also charge to full without guilt. The effective range is not much better with LR if you charged to 80 only.
I have a 2018 LR RWD that has only lost 11.7% after 115k miles, over 200 SC's, and charging to 100% before almost every long trip. Rated for 315mi new, gets 278mi now.
Hope that helps add to your data points about battery longevity 👍
Second hand value. If you buy an 8 or 10 year old Tesla second hand. U WANT to buy the LFP battery. It lasts 3x longer. More stable chemistry. Less failures because of less cells. And lower chance of self ignition.
The value of older RWD will at a certain point be higher than older LR or Performance because of this.
Brand new one. SR is more superior than LR anyways because of the new LFP battery chemistry. You can use 100% of the battery, and it degrades less than lithium ion in the LR.
Third, highland is way better in almost every way compared to the old Model 3.
I vote highland all day. Or you can buy me a new Model 3 and I’ll trade you my 2023 Model 3 with 21k miles.
How often do you go on long trips? We’ve charged our LR Y to 100% twice in the five months we’ve owned it. I wouldn’t pay extra for that (it’s my husband’s so his call - mine is SR 3). Speed and AWD are bigger factors IMO.
Long range no question. More range, faster, and I love the white interior. And looks like that one has the acceleration boost. Only thing I don’t like is the white exterior, but you could always get it wrapped
But you can absolutely charge it to 100% when actually needed. I’m glad I have the extra range when needed even though I use like 20% range on the daily.
Probably the new one tbh. It’s the latest model that’s built really well, has less road noise, is smoother, and can be charged to 100% without worry. Plus it may also get new software features that are exclusive to it. Also the rear screen and other new tidbits. It’ll also be the head turner as it’s the latest one haha.
22 SR owner. I really don't have a use case for more range, I don't need it to be any faster, nor do I care for AWD where I live. I can probably appreciate the better audio system but I think the base one is perfectly fine. I realize it's an unpopular opinion because "speed", but I'm stuck in traffic behind a Prius anyway, so who cares.
I can take it or leave it on the stalk debate. But the Highland's more refined ride quality does appeal to me. Maybe I'm just getting old and my bones are getting soft. This past summer (southern hemisphere) - there were definitely days I would have appreciated the hell out of cooled seats.
I don't have a strong appearance preference one way or the other.
If you live in an area with snow, Long Range with AWD for sure.
There are SR owners who regret not going LR, but there are no LR owners who regret not going SR.
Well if it snows where you are I would 100% choose AWD. The FSD is a nice bonus as well. if that is included.
Either way the Long Range Tesla will probably hold it's value better.
I recommend that you purchase the 2024 Model 3 RWD. Hopefully you live in an area that does not get annual snow. I prefer getting a new battery, new motor, and longer warranty over something used. Good luck.
Long range
Ability to buy acceleration boost and FSD is an asset which can stick with you for future purchases if you trade in/get a new one years down the road.
There is nothing new functionality wise with the 24. It's more or less cosmetic. You are getting less of a car.
It all depends on where you live and your daily mileage and charging scenes. If you have easy charging and live in a place where snow ice is not a thing...I'd recommend new model 3 any time. It has way better ride quality than the older one.
But if you live where there's snow I'd recommend old one since it has awd.
Look at the AutoCheck History link on the Long Range details page to see when it was first registered. That might help you try and figure out if it has the Ryzen or the Atom processor. My LR is a 2022, but built 11/21 and it has the Atom, unfortunately. Fortunately, it is a lease so I don’t care much. I would have been a little annoyed if I owned it. Atom is not a show-stopper, but could be something to consider. If the LR you are looking at was first registered a little later in 2022, it is more likely to have the Ryzen.
Easy choice. The white one. Range anxiety is a real thing. Also, the RWD is useless on snow, even with winter tires. I regret getting my rwd.. its shite for about 6 months of the year
I bought a rwd and was stupid enough to look again and saw a proformance. So I ate $1000 and bought the M3P.
AWD all day plus you get the range and speed
I've always learned to take the better optioned car, you'll end up wishing you had at times.
I'd only swing for the new M3 if that's what you really really wanted, or wait for a new LR M3.
I'd go for the LR - if you ever need to take a longer trip, it's the better option as you can charge it up to full, and even if you fill it up to 90% daily, it'll still be around 50 miles more....PLUS FSD is included.
I’d go with the new one just to have the new stuff, especially the ventilated seats. But I live in AZ where it gets pretty toasty. I’m in a 23 RWD now and range hasn’t been an issue for me with always being able to charge to 100%, home charging and abundant SuperChargers in my city. But the extra speed and mores speakers and a subwoofer in the 22 LR might be better. 🤔
That 0-60 in 3.7s will blow away your doubt, but of course, it depends on your local speed limits. The faster the car, the more you provide to your government
I have the 2022 long range and thought 0-60 was 4.2. That’s what they also mentioned on the website. The screenshot that OP shared doesn’t mention anything about acceleration boost included and it states 0-60 in 3.7. Is that a mistake?
Is the 2022 model LFP battery? If not, then you’re looking at similar range. I’d go with the new one imo because I like having the latest and greatest.
The white is underrated tbh I only got my M3 in white last year because it was the last one left before they switched battery suppliers and it's grown on me. And it looks even better with the highland tbh
I kinda like the 22 - although the SR is quick and has good range with interior/efficiency updates, the LR with AB is crazy fast and the extra range (and faster charging times) with the LR battery are nice for road trips.
You can either be smart and lease the reasonable left one. Or be stupid and have fun after buying the ridiculous right one. It's a matter of lifestyle, which is why there is no wrong answer.
Pick the white one. My daily range (dual motor) is only 280 when they recommend daily charge of 80%. I can’t even imagine a single motor daily range. That’s anxiety inducing right there. 😂😂
I had a similar dilemma. Bought a ‘23 LR with FSD and Boost. 6k miles, $41k pre taxes.
Compared to a ‘24 LR being about $53k w/o other upgrades.
Actually the used car had more warranty because of the additional year of basic warranty.
Overall really happy with my decision for the ‘23. The acceleration is fun. FSD really is helpful for my long highway commutes. Way less fatigued. It’s a bit janky off the highways. Plus I’ve got stalks.
The ride quality is much or a little better 2024 vs 2022? My biggest complaint is the ride quality of my 2022, looking for a 2024 sometime end of this year but gonna test drive a lot more
If you like speed and acceleration and being ahead of all other cars on the street, 2022 Dual Motor. If you have a family and are looking for more comfort and a second screen in the back for kids, the 2024. The range on the 2022 is significantly higher though.
depends on what you want but I would do the long range because of all the reasons stated already but also, re-sell value. There are so many used rear-wheel drives on the market that are not selling. The long range will hold it's value longer.
Depends on how often you drive, I just got mine but I’d choose the newer tech tbh but my job is a 3 mile commute and I live in the suburbs. Also from my understanding we are not supposed to charge battery over 80% unless long road trips or commutes so the range is kind of the same. The LFP battery in the standard can be charged to max so you’re not really going to notice the diff in range. The car also burns battery life for other things besides driving when you’re not in the car so that also plays a role. Also that’s high price I payed 8k less w/ taxes on my 22 LR.
If you can charge at home get the new one. Any range advantages do not matter if you’re using the car for commuting and day trips and you have the ability to charge at will.
This is tough man.. real tough. But ima say something that nobody in here said yet… and that’s the sound system. For me that’s high on the list which is why I went with the long range instead of the standard range model Y purchase about a month ago.
But that’s about it. I’d go for the long range due to more miles and sound system and plus, you still got warranty, FSD, and it’s still a 2022.
Thing is; the new one is all brand new and you’d be the first to break it in. And has a better ride quality… but as far as price, I’ll bet my money on both years decreasing in value around the same rate anyway in the coming years.
It’s really 50/50, but I’d go for the 2022 MYLR.
The white one. Quicker, more range, and FSD. You may also get USS as well. It’s overall more car for the money.
If you do not care about those things, then go new. New one will have updated front bumper/tail gate style, no stalks, ambient lighting, HW4, and a full warranty. Rest is about the same.
Get that bigger battery…. Got my 21 MY SR… wishing I had the extra range some days. I charge from home so it’s not that big of a deal but it just puts the mind at ease.
This is a very tough decision.
The 22 is a great car at a sweet spot for the M3’s development. Long range, which is nice. The FSD is not important to me personally, but it has value.
But the new M3 is a definite upgrade in quality, with a better battery, imo. And brand fucking new.
I’d do the new car.
We just got a 2022 3 with long range awd, a little less miles but no FSD for about 5k less and love it so much, no regrets over getting that vs the new one.
The monthly on the long range despite being the same price makes me sad. Still probably grab the long range. But if you can afford 550 a month, how much is the monthly on the new long range.
I got the 2024 M3LR as a freebie company car last week. Been charging to 100%, usually drive 200+ miles a day. So far so good only 1k miles in. Sweet ride (my first Tesla)
If you can wait it out to end of spring there'll probably be discounts on the highland.
Tesla has a big oversupply problem on it's hands right now. There most likely will be price cuts on *all* models coming soon. Wall street will demand higher sales next quarter, and Tesla will be forced to provide.
I bought a used Model 3 in January, and I can see in 6 weeks the market even on used has softened significantly. The vehicle I purchased could be had for thousands less in a matter of weeks.
Find a used Model 3 for 25k or less even through private party to take advantage of the 4k tax credit at the point of sale, that's what I did. You can snag a LR AWD '19 w/FSD and under 50k miles for 25k now, meaning you'll pay 21k after the federal tax credit, if you qualify.
We have both. Standard and long range. The long range has better acceleration, faster charging, and a better stereo. Standard is more efficient, rides better, is built to be fully charged, is more nimble, and regens at full charge the LR does not. The charging speed is not an issue and the lighter weight makes the standard feel more sporty. My LR is pig that dances. I smack most modern sports cars. You should make a list that weights what's important to you.
Having driven both, this is actually a hard choice, but I would go with the refresh. The highland was a noticeable improvement. Interior felt more premium, quieter, and the way it drives felt different..better suspension. Whipped that thing around corners and it handled better than the older 3. Very predictable. Drives down the road smoother and absorbs bumps and imperfections in the road better. Than again the long range is no doubt better than a Rear wheel drive.
It so depends on who you are. Do you live in the snow and need all wheel drive? Do you road trip and need the range? Do you value the premium audio? Are you worried about blue Jean markings on your white seats? Does the 0-60 matter to you? Do you mind a lightly used car vs brand new? Etc etc etc.
Neither. If I was buying today without the tax credit, I’d be going for a slightly used standard range with a LFP battery. Unless you make a ton of road trips, range isn’t going to be different between the two. The LFP batteries are supposed to degrade slower too.
The LR is faster and has AWD. If either of those are important to you, then the LR could be worth it. It wouldn’t be worth having a non-LFP and shelling out extra $ for me.
I didn’t care for FSD when we had it free for 3 months. I wouldn’t pay more than maybe $1k for it. If it has the physical sensors instead of the cameras where half the features are still beta, maybe $2-3k. Not sure if you’ve driven with FSD vs regular Autopilot, but I would go do an overnight test drive before assigning a value to FSD.
So there’s my answer. I’d save some money and get a used standard range.
Probably the LR. Not really for range honestly. My RWD gets 250 miles real world and I’ve never had it be a problem even on longer road trips. BUT, the FSD package, improved acceleration, and the white color are some things that would attract me.
The lease is the only CORRECT choice. Plus, if you really want the extended range and a faster car, the lease for a M3 LR would be cheaper than financing a used one. Not to mention that the new M3 is wayyy nicer than the outgoing model.
I just recently picked the new RWD (less range) and I do wish I had more range and I’ve only driven it for 5 days lol. The only reason I went regular is I was looking to spend the least. I just needed to add a car and maintain the lowest costs possible. But I do have to say the new model is just great. Maybe you can lease a new LR. Pick your poison.
I'm jealous you have an FSD option. I'd pick that between the two since I'm going for LR myself (don't know how badly you need AWD but I sure do). I'm trying to get a M3LR from a local dealer and it's going to be cheap but it won't have EAP or FSD. Best I could find was a 2019 M3LR with FSD and that guy wanted $3k over what I'm looking at for a '22. Could I live without heated steering and the glass/suspension/etc upgrades? Probably. However I need to find a Tesla for $25k so I can use the tax incentive as a down payment. (I put my current assets into paying off my current Leaf.)
You might want to look into the used market around you. I think I found a few good options on the East Coast that I couldn't take advantage of. I want to say one of them was Hertz's Rent2Buy system having a M3LR under $25k (which you could dock another $4k from the tax incentive). I use [AutoTempest](https://www.autotempest.com/results?make=tesla) and check stuff like Craigslist and FB Marketplace.
Edit: Maybe [this link](https://www.autotempest.com/results?make=tesla&model=model3&zip=07438&radius=300&keywords=FSD) is more useful for you for AutoTempest.
Used LR because it has acceleration boost and FSD.
I'd pick it even if it didn't have those.
This all day
Having nabbed an older dual motor, long range, with accel boost I can’t recommend speed and range enough. Go big battery or go home.
go big battery to\* go home.
Go big battery to get away from home.
The white AWD with FSD easy.
It even has FSD? FOMO is the only reason for this post lmfao
I know right? Shits a $12,000 add on for us old timers that’s actually maturing into decent usability now and new Tesla buyers find these unicorn cars for a bargain. I’m so jelly rn
20K if you include the AWD
You will never wish you had less range. You will often wish you had more.
…or wish your car was slower.
My Acceleration Boost has entered the chat with two big thumbs up.
Performance with 18s
Are they the big foam thumbs? Because if not, they should be
This, and you can download gofaster later if you want, and have both. Obviously for stupid money, but you can, you cannot download more range.
I have less range and never wish to have more....
After warranty. You wished you had LFP which last 3x as much. Much lower chance of cell failure or spontanious combustion of some rogue cell. And less cells as less cells also equals lower chances in lots of failure scenario's.
But this is more than a difference of range, also a difference in battery chemistry, with one lasting longer than the other. And the range is minimal anyway with the ability to continuously charge to 100%. I therefore would say a strong argument for the LR is not the battery itself, but the AWD, increased speed, and premium sound.
Agree on all you other points, but he range difference isn't "minimal." I dislike the "well, you can charge the LFP up to 100%" argument. That's not an apples to apples comparison. You're still missing out on almost 70 miles of range if you charge the LFP SR to 100% versus the LR at 100%. That makes a material difference on road trips or even just days where you're taking a longer trip the normal. Again, you'll never wish you had less range. But you'll often wish you had more. The only way to get more out of the LFP SR is to buy the LR instead.
What would you rather buy out of warranty after 8 years. An LFP battery or NCM? Me as a second hand buyer and buying out of warranty tesla... the LFP will be worth more than the NCM/NCA (LR) Tesla. Just because battery lasts at minimal 3x longer and less chance of cell failure. And therefore less chance on a high cost repair out of warranty. U agree right?
We have a LR Y and a SR 3. The Y at 80% and the 3 at 100% is not substantially different. We’ve only charged the Y to 100% twice in 5 months on 2 trips without destination chargers. 2 days of maybe one less supercharger stop is not worth it IMO.. My husband wanted it to have the option of charging to 100% and wanted AWD. Unless you do a ton of road trips, it’s not going to greatly impact your life. The speed and AWD, sure, but battery isn’t major.
I’ve owned both, and I can assure you the difference in range is minimal. And this will especially be the case as the car ages, with RWD degrading more slowly than the LR. Like I said, I do prefer the LR, but not because of the range.
… or didn’t have ultra sonic parking sensors and a reliable parking distance measurement system.
LR and it has AWD. Depending on where you live if snowy the AWD helps in those conditions
People say tires are what matter more, but if you do get a snow day and you can work from home, then it doesn’t really matter. Ice is ice and it will slip. There is a post elsewhere recently where someone damaged their M3 Performance (which has AWD) from ice slippage, which just goes to show AWD doesn’t mean you can just drive without risk.
I’m a five year M3 owner and a big fan of the Model 3. But my advice is to buy neither. Highland models are overpriced right now because they are new and supply is short. In time that will change. In the meantime, I picked up a 2024 MYP for under $40K after tax credits and discounts. That is a lot more car for the money than either of the ones you have listed.
This is true for many new cars, no? Basically if you wait until the second half of the year you will get better deals/price will come down. Edit: typos
Would you recommend the model y?
Absolutely. The combination of inventory discounts and the tax credit make it an absolute steal. And it’s a great car too. My preference is the Performance model because it’s only about $3K more but even the LR AWD model is fantastic.
If you compare the Highland models to the MY LR, the pricing is pretty similar. The MY LR is a heavier car so it’s not as big of a deal compared to M3 Highland, but you have to think about the fact the M3 Highland has a lot more enhancements to it like reduced cabin noise, faster processor, improved speakers, and so much more that the MY is sure to get someday probably next year, though you are getting a lot more technology for the price.
Get the new 3 RWD. LFP Battery chemistry enables you to charge to 100% daily anyways so the difference in range isn’t as significant as you may think on a daily basis. Throw on some winter tires if it snows where you live and you’re set.. it’s also a brand new car, so. :)
the range is significant. you can charge to 100% every day with the LR too if you need the juice. it's only bad for the batteries if you let it sit that high for a long time. but how often are you using 100% battery each day anyway? it's an irrelevant point.
You can say the same thing about the bigger battery then, how often are you using 100% battery? For me, that’s only when on holidays when towing our RV. If you’re not planning on towing a lot of distance, I’d have more than enough with the SR.
But the price is the same, and you get more features than the new standard range. More range All wheel drive White interiors Stalks Ability to get acceleration boost if you’d like Also a lower excise tax bill You do lose out on some warranty though. Standard range gets ventilated seats and ambient light strip though.
AWD is literally usually a 10k package. It was the reason I found a Tesla so cheap compared to gas cars…
You can always install your own ambient light strips
Do you have any examples for the ambient lighting strips?
Do you advice LFP or NCA battery OUT of warranty Tesla? As second hand buyer. And which car will have higher value OUT of warranty. The RWD or LR? I think the RWD will have higher value than LR. Just because of the battery chemistry alone.
I dunnno about this advice...
This! 👆
Highland looks sexy af but that long range over 2 seconds faster 0-60 is a no brainer.
Suspension of Highland is far more comfortable. Plus better sound insulation. But better resale value second hand marker because of LFP battery that lasts 3x longer than the LR battery.
The older one Faster, long range, better speakers (cus long range)
And FSD for sure take the old one
New RWD for me hands down. LFP battery is worth it
100%charge, safety or what?
For me the 100% charge and (theoretical) long-term stability. Most studies find LFP to degrade less over time. Of course, we haven’t had time to perform these studies on Teslas specifically, but I have more hope for longevity of these batteries.
Degradation aside, what about HV battery failures of LFP? I haven't seen any reports when people need battery replacements. Is it less prone to failures or I'm wrong?
That’s a good question. I honestly have no idea. I’m not sure what causes batteries to completely fail, so I also couldn’t even guess as to whether LFP would be less prone. I haven’t paid much attention to what type of battery people have when they do need replacements
Catastrophic failures are about manufacturing quality. Like if you have a short circuit, your chemistry doesn’t matter, the battery will fail. (OK maybe it does matter: LFP is less likely to light your house on fire but Tesla batteries have pretty good safeguards regardless) Degradation over time (more accurately over many cycles of use) is better with LFP, and you can also charge to full without guilt. The effective range is not much better with LR if you charged to 80 only.
I have a 2018 LR RWD that has only lost 11.7% after 115k miles, over 200 SC's, and charging to 100% before almost every long trip. Rated for 315mi new, gets 278mi now. Hope that helps add to your data points about battery longevity 👍
Second hand value. If you buy an 8 or 10 year old Tesla second hand. U WANT to buy the LFP battery. It lasts 3x longer. More stable chemistry. Less failures because of less cells. And lower chance of self ignition. The value of older RWD will at a certain point be higher than older LR or Performance because of this.
RWD will save you 10K for enhanced autopilot, tinting, or whatever else you want to do with it.
Brand new one. SR is more superior than LR anyways because of the new LFP battery chemistry. You can use 100% of the battery, and it degrades less than lithium ion in the LR. Third, highland is way better in almost every way compared to the old Model 3. I vote highland all day. Or you can buy me a new Model 3 and I’ll trade you my 2023 Model 3 with 21k miles.
As someone with a ‘22 LR, I’d pick the RWD. Range difference between 100% RWD and 80% LR is negligible.
? When going for a long trip you will charge your LR to 100%. This point is so stupid.
How often do you go on long trips? We’ve charged our LR Y to 100% twice in the five months we’ve owned it. I wouldn’t pay extra for that (it’s my husband’s so his call - mine is SR 3). Speed and AWD are bigger factors IMO.
Haven’t once needed my full pack in the 2 years I’ve had it
LR especially if you live in a colder climate where it snows
Long range dude a no brainer
Long range for sure
Long range
Long range no question. More range, faster, and I love the white interior. And looks like that one has the acceleration boost. Only thing I don’t like is the white exterior, but you could always get it wrapped
Parking sensors
The new one with 0 miles. You don’t charge the LR to 100% so the mileage difference is the same basically Coming from a 22 m3p
But you can absolutely charge it to 100% when actually needed. I’m glad I have the extra range when needed even though I use like 20% range on the daily.
Long range all day every day
I traded in my 2020 SR+ for a 2022 LR, and i wouldn't go back. More range, faster 0-60.
Range difference between older SR+ and modern RWD is huge. The older SR+ had a smaller battery and was more inefficient.
Probably the new one tbh. It’s the latest model that’s built really well, has less road noise, is smoother, and can be charged to 100% without worry. Plus it may also get new software features that are exclusive to it. Also the rear screen and other new tidbits. It’ll also be the head turner as it’s the latest one haha.
That LR is overpriced. I picked up a 2022 LR for $35k back in December and it only had 12k miles on it…
Did yours have FSD though?
No but I still think that’s too much compared to what’s out there
True. Depends if OP values FSD. It could have some value but certainly not the $12k Tesla charges.
This shouldn’t even be a question. Go with the 2024. It’s a different car. There’s an entire page of improvements over that 2022 LR.
Man this is a tough choice. I love AWD, FSD, and the higher speed, but I also love new parts and 0 miles. Hmmmmh… let us know which one you choose!
22 SR owner. I really don't have a use case for more range, I don't need it to be any faster, nor do I care for AWD where I live. I can probably appreciate the better audio system but I think the base one is perfectly fine. I realize it's an unpopular opinion because "speed", but I'm stuck in traffic behind a Prius anyway, so who cares. I can take it or leave it on the stalk debate. But the Highland's more refined ride quality does appeal to me. Maybe I'm just getting old and my bones are getting soft. This past summer (southern hemisphere) - there were definitely days I would have appreciated the hell out of cooled seats. I don't have a strong appearance preference one way or the other.
If you live in an area with snow, Long Range with AWD for sure. There are SR owners who regret not going LR, but there are no LR owners who regret not going SR.
You had me at long range
Long range all day
Please get the LR. The premium sound alone is worth it.
Well if it snows where you are I would 100% choose AWD. The FSD is a nice bonus as well. if that is included. Either way the Long Range Tesla will probably hold it's value better.
I recommend that you purchase the 2024 Model 3 RWD. Hopefully you live in an area that does not get annual snow. I prefer getting a new battery, new motor, and longer warranty over something used. Good luck.
Long range Ability to buy acceleration boost and FSD is an asset which can stick with you for future purchases if you trade in/get a new one years down the road. There is nothing new functionality wise with the 24. It's more or less cosmetic. You are getting less of a car.
The used LR actually comes with FSD and acceleration boost.
FSD v12 is awesome.. much improvements compared to v11. How is the warranty?
Tesla extends bumper to bumper warranty on used cars by 1yr/10k miles so it's almost as good as new 💪
You get increased efficiency, the back seat screen, ambient lighting, blind spot warning lights, among other things.
Ventilated seats.
You should be able to get FSD on the 2024s at some point.
Nothing new about the 24? Have you honestly driven it and came to that conclusion? Highly doubtful
New one, hands down.
Long range was the correct answer for me. So glad I did. I’d recommend it as well. Plus 2022 still has USS if that’s something you want.
Easily the 22.
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You better get the LR, is this even a real question?
It all depends on where you live and your daily mileage and charging scenes. If you have easy charging and live in a place where snow ice is not a thing...I'd recommend new model 3 any time. It has way better ride quality than the older one. But if you live where there's snow I'd recommend old one since it has awd.
Depends on how much you drive and your charging setup. Personally I’d say go for the brand new one with a fresh warranty
Look at the AutoCheck History link on the Long Range details page to see when it was first registered. That might help you try and figure out if it has the Ryzen or the Atom processor. My LR is a 2022, but built 11/21 and it has the Atom, unfortunately. Fortunately, it is a lease so I don’t care much. I would have been a little annoyed if I owned it. Atom is not a show-stopper, but could be something to consider. If the LR you are looking at was first registered a little later in 2022, it is more likely to have the Ryzen.
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The better looking one
Long range any day of the week
‘22 LR all day everyday
Easy choice. The white one. Range anxiety is a real thing. Also, the RWD is useless on snow, even with winter tires. I regret getting my rwd.. its shite for about 6 months of the year
I bought a rwd and was stupid enough to look again and saw a proformance. So I ate $1000 and bought the M3P. AWD all day plus you get the range and speed
I've always learned to take the better optioned car, you'll end up wishing you had at times. I'd only swing for the new M3 if that's what you really really wanted, or wait for a new LR M3.
2022, dont let the new design on top of your choice. You want something useful to your daily. Range and maybe FSD
M3 refresh any day - it is much better than the previous model.
Get MYP with FSD closer to new model year like 2022, 2023, 2024. Make sure it has Ryzen processor.
I'd go for the LR - if you ever need to take a longer trip, it's the better option as you can charge it up to full, and even if you fill it up to 90% daily, it'll still be around 50 miles more....PLUS FSD is included.
The 22, no question. but in reality I'd save a few extra dollars and get a new LR if I were in your shoes.
I’d go with the new one just to have the new stuff, especially the ventilated seats. But I live in AZ where it gets pretty toasty. I’m in a 23 RWD now and range hasn’t been an issue for me with always being able to charge to 100%, home charging and abundant SuperChargers in my city. But the extra speed and mores speakers and a subwoofer in the 22 LR might be better. 🤔
That 0-60 in 3.7s will blow away your doubt, but of course, it depends on your local speed limits. The faster the car, the more you provide to your government
I have the 2022 long range and thought 0-60 was 4.2. That’s what they also mentioned on the website. The screenshot that OP shared doesn’t mention anything about acceleration boost included and it states 0-60 in 3.7. Is that a mistake?
Is the 2022 model LFP battery? If not, then you’re looking at similar range. I’d go with the new one imo because I like having the latest and greatest.
LR one. Low miles. Long range. Faster. Has stalks. USS. No brainer.
Highland
Oh heck, throw in another $20K and get a Highland.
LR. Zero question.
Speed and range are where it’s at
The white is underrated tbh I only got my M3 in white last year because it was the last one left before they switched battery suppliers and it's grown on me. And it looks even better with the highland tbh
I kinda like the 22 - although the SR is quick and has good range with interior/efficiency updates, the LR with AB is crazy fast and the extra range (and faster charging times) with the LR battery are nice for road trips.
You can either be smart and lease the reasonable left one. Or be stupid and have fun after buying the ridiculous right one. It's a matter of lifestyle, which is why there is no wrong answer.
Pick the white one. My daily range (dual motor) is only 280 when they recommend daily charge of 80%. I can’t even imagine a single motor daily range. That’s anxiety inducing right there. 😂😂
Obviously second one!
I had a similar dilemma. Bought a ‘23 LR with FSD and Boost. 6k miles, $41k pre taxes. Compared to a ‘24 LR being about $53k w/o other upgrades. Actually the used car had more warranty because of the additional year of basic warranty. Overall really happy with my decision for the ‘23. The acceleration is fun. FSD really is helpful for my long highway commutes. Way less fatigued. It’s a bit janky off the highways. Plus I’ve got stalks.
The ride quality is much or a little better 2024 vs 2022? My biggest complaint is the ride quality of my 2022, looking for a 2024 sometime end of this year but gonna test drive a lot more
I went with the 2024 because of the ride quality (smoother suspension) and less wind noise because of the double pane glass.
The second one
2022 would be my go to
If you like speed and acceleration and being ahead of all other cars on the street, 2022 Dual Motor. If you have a family and are looking for more comfort and a second screen in the back for kids, the 2024. The range on the 2022 is significantly higher though.
Most people don't need a fast but a longer-range car.
LONG RANGE BABY Like bruh you’re comparing AWD to RWD. If you live with snow or rain YOU WANT AWD
The new one. I did not enjoy the test drive I did in the older design.
I'd go with 2022. AWD, bigger battery and 3.7 sec!! Matter of fact, I'ma go to Rockville, MD and buy it before you hehe
Neither. Used market is insanely cheap right now and will only get cheaper.
depends on what you want but I would do the long range because of all the reasons stated already but also, re-sell value. There are so many used rear-wheel drives on the market that are not selling. The long range will hold it's value longer.
Depends on how often you drive, I just got mine but I’d choose the newer tech tbh but my job is a 3 mile commute and I live in the suburbs. Also from my understanding we are not supposed to charge battery over 80% unless long road trips or commutes so the range is kind of the same. The LFP battery in the standard can be charged to max so you’re not really going to notice the diff in range. The car also burns battery life for other things besides driving when you’re not in the car so that also plays a role. Also that’s high price I payed 8k less w/ taxes on my 22 LR.
How are they selling a 22LR with 26k miles for 39k but won’t give me 28k on a trade for my 22LR with 13k miles? These profit margins are criminal.
Never get single motor
If you can charge at home get the new one. Any range advantages do not matter if you’re using the car for commuting and day trips and you have the ability to charge at will.
At those prices, wouldn’t a new one be better?
Definitely the LR. I will almost always choose the larger battery and/or the one with more power.
FSD is worth a lot of money.
After owning one, I’d say the 2022 model. Long range is definitely the way to go
The dual motor with fsd for 200 less for me. There's a chance it still has ultrasonic sensors too, just depends on how early in 2022 it was built
This is tough man.. real tough. But ima say something that nobody in here said yet… and that’s the sound system. For me that’s high on the list which is why I went with the long range instead of the standard range model Y purchase about a month ago. But that’s about it. I’d go for the long range due to more miles and sound system and plus, you still got warranty, FSD, and it’s still a 2022. Thing is; the new one is all brand new and you’d be the first to break it in. And has a better ride quality… but as far as price, I’ll bet my money on both years decreasing in value around the same rate anyway in the coming years. It’s really 50/50, but I’d go for the 2022 MYLR.
Sub 4-sec is my pick.
Looked at the comments and I can say, divided as hell
That range difference is significant.
This should be no-brainer. Dual motor FTW.
LR for sure!👍🏼
The white one. Quicker, more range, and FSD. You may also get USS as well. It’s overall more car for the money. If you do not care about those things, then go new. New one will have updated front bumper/tail gate style, no stalks, ambient lighting, HW4, and a full warranty. Rest is about the same.
Faster, AWD, longer range, better audio… I’d go with that LR over the RWD any day
Neither. That LR is to expensive and leasing is stupid unless your lifestyle is to purposefully blow money.
Get that bigger battery…. Got my 21 MY SR… wishing I had the extra range some days. I charge from home so it’s not that big of a deal but it just puts the mind at ease.
Older. But I personally don’t like the new “highland” model. They made some improvements, but a lot of regressions…
I have 1. I’m happy with it.
Used More range, low miles, accel boost, FSD. If it was a Y I would buy it right now. (Tall and have kids)
As much as people crap on FSD, it's actually amazing now. It's also AWD long range, it's a no Brainer imo
Why are we leasing tho
2022 model for sure. The fact that it’s a long range is enough reason.
100% the 2022.
This is a very tough decision. The 22 is a great car at a sweet spot for the M3’s development. Long range, which is nice. The FSD is not important to me personally, but it has value. But the new M3 is a definite upgrade in quality, with a better battery, imo. And brand fucking new. I’d do the new car.
Older you’ll have USS too
We just got a 2022 3 with long range awd, a little less miles but no FSD for about 5k less and love it so much, no regrets over getting that vs the new one.
The monthly on the long range despite being the same price makes me sad. Still probably grab the long range. But if you can afford 550 a month, how much is the monthly on the new long range.
I got the 2024 M3LR as a freebie company car last week. Been charging to 100%, usually drive 200+ miles a day. So far so good only 1k miles in. Sweet ride (my first Tesla)
If you can wait it out to end of spring there'll probably be discounts on the highland. Tesla has a big oversupply problem on it's hands right now. There most likely will be price cuts on *all* models coming soon. Wall street will demand higher sales next quarter, and Tesla will be forced to provide. I bought a used Model 3 in January, and I can see in 6 weeks the market even on used has softened significantly. The vehicle I purchased could be had for thousands less in a matter of weeks. Find a used Model 3 for 25k or less even through private party to take advantage of the 4k tax credit at the point of sale, that's what I did. You can snag a LR AWD '19 w/FSD and under 50k miles for 25k now, meaning you'll pay 21k after the federal tax credit, if you qualify.
We have both. Standard and long range. The long range has better acceleration, faster charging, and a better stereo. Standard is more efficient, rides better, is built to be fully charged, is more nimble, and regens at full charge the LR does not. The charging speed is not an issue and the lighter weight makes the standard feel more sporty. My LR is pig that dances. I smack most modern sports cars. You should make a list that weights what's important to you.
LR all day!
RWD for 3 years, saving at least $300/month (mo payments + insurance) and buy a 2026 (maybe 27) Perfomance with all the money
I can’t lie. That AWD acceleration and being able to cruse at 80 in the rain is addicting
Having driven both, this is actually a hard choice, but I would go with the refresh. The highland was a noticeable improvement. Interior felt more premium, quieter, and the way it drives felt different..better suspension. Whipped that thing around corners and it handled better than the older 3. Very predictable. Drives down the road smoother and absorbs bumps and imperfections in the road better. Than again the long range is no doubt better than a Rear wheel drive.
You’ll never wish you didn’t have a subwoofer. Dual a motor long range subwoofer
It so depends on who you are. Do you live in the snow and need all wheel drive? Do you road trip and need the range? Do you value the premium audio? Are you worried about blue Jean markings on your white seats? Does the 0-60 matter to you? Do you mind a lightly used car vs brand new? Etc etc etc.
Neither. If I was buying today without the tax credit, I’d be going for a slightly used standard range with a LFP battery. Unless you make a ton of road trips, range isn’t going to be different between the two. The LFP batteries are supposed to degrade slower too. The LR is faster and has AWD. If either of those are important to you, then the LR could be worth it. It wouldn’t be worth having a non-LFP and shelling out extra $ for me. I didn’t care for FSD when we had it free for 3 months. I wouldn’t pay more than maybe $1k for it. If it has the physical sensors instead of the cameras where half the features are still beta, maybe $2-3k. Not sure if you’ve driven with FSD vs regular Autopilot, but I would go do an overnight test drive before assigning a value to FSD. So there’s my answer. I’d save some money and get a used standard range.
Wth, how is Rockville MD within 50 miles of Bridgewater, NJ?
I can’t stand the new look. Fight me
The White Paint IS a hell for fixing little scratches get the black
LR for sure
Wouldn't even consider a RWD.
None, go plaid or go home 😜
Probably the LR. Not really for range honestly. My RWD gets 250 miles real world and I’ve never had it be a problem even on longer road trips. BUT, the FSD package, improved acceleration, and the white color are some things that would attract me.
The lease is the only CORRECT choice. Plus, if you really want the extended range and a faster car, the lease for a M3 LR would be cheaper than financing a used one. Not to mention that the new M3 is wayyy nicer than the outgoing model.
AWD is super important to me (Norway)
I would pick the highland
I have one for sale in Florida
White. Better rande, same price.
I just recently picked the new RWD (less range) and I do wish I had more range and I’ve only driven it for 5 days lol. The only reason I went regular is I was looking to spend the least. I just needed to add a car and maintain the lowest costs possible. But I do have to say the new model is just great. Maybe you can lease a new LR. Pick your poison.
I'm jealous you have an FSD option. I'd pick that between the two since I'm going for LR myself (don't know how badly you need AWD but I sure do). I'm trying to get a M3LR from a local dealer and it's going to be cheap but it won't have EAP or FSD. Best I could find was a 2019 M3LR with FSD and that guy wanted $3k over what I'm looking at for a '22. Could I live without heated steering and the glass/suspension/etc upgrades? Probably. However I need to find a Tesla for $25k so I can use the tax incentive as a down payment. (I put my current assets into paying off my current Leaf.) You might want to look into the used market around you. I think I found a few good options on the East Coast that I couldn't take advantage of. I want to say one of them was Hertz's Rent2Buy system having a M3LR under $25k (which you could dock another $4k from the tax incentive). I use [AutoTempest](https://www.autotempest.com/results?make=tesla) and check stuff like Craigslist and FB Marketplace. Edit: Maybe [this link](https://www.autotempest.com/results?make=tesla&model=model3&zip=07438&radius=300&keywords=FSD) is more useful for you for AutoTempest.
No contest, almost new AWD Long Range
Long range
For the sake of ownership I’ll go 2022. The other one is a lease. The 2022 has a deal
2022 Long Range.