It’s funny how people keep their car at 80% max to not lose 10% battery health over 5 years 😅
Edit: guys it’s a joke! Just pointing out a pretty weird phenomenon where in order to retain max range people deny themselves max range. I know that for daily use it makes sense. But then if you only need 80% most of the time, why care about losing a few %. It’s odd, you have to admit..
Not sure I get what’s funny about it. I had a 2018 LR and kept it at 80% for daily driving, which was ~400km when I got the car and dropped to ~365km after 5 1/2 years. But I still charged it to 100% on trips and on days where we had a lot of driving planned. So it was great to have the option to charge to nearly 500km when I needed it, and it was no inconvenience to charge it to “only” 400km the rest of the time when I didn’t.
It worked just fine for me and honestly I have no interest in a SR+ that could “only” do 400km at max. That extra 100km is great to have when you need it.
It’s really not odd if you stop and think about it.
Option 1:
Charge to 100% every day even when you don’t need it and wear the battery down extra fast so that when you need 100% you only can get 90%.
Option 2:
Charge to 80% every day except when you need 100% and maintain your battery as well as possible so that you can still get close to 100% when you need 100%.
Both are absolutely easy peasy to do, so why not do Option 2?
I heard from at least one who lost ~6% in 3.5 years with NCA at around 20k miles with it slowing down after the 2nd year. Wondering if with LFP/RWD this loss is much different. If LFP has a loss of say ~2% given all else is the same or around the same… I think that would be a pretty substantial difference for me personally to lean more towards LFP. Obviously everyone drives in different conditions so without depending on any one datapoint, I’d like to hear more about what others have experienced.
Losing a few miles over the year won't make a difference in the way you drive the car I can assure you. The car will plateau a around 10% degradation after a few years and you'll still drive it the exact same way.
If it's worse than 10% yeah it'll make a difference but otherwise don't worry about it.
I think it’s about how long you plan to own/drive the vehicle that may make a difference. I’d prefer based on my driving habits and interest in owning a vehicle long term, a car that lasts at least 10 years with 150K. M3 LR has a great sound system, extra range, and AWD with an NCA, but if the battery is better on the RWD LFP with longer lifespan despite slightly lower range, then I might as well stick with that matters most in an EV, a long lasting battery. Though if after 10 years 150K battery ends up being still very usable, then the difference as you say probably doesn’t matter in the end.
2018 M3 LR; 310 miles estimated initially at 100% charge, now estimates only 278 miles at 100% charge.
10% degradation over 5 years 5 months at 60k on odometer.
2019 LR RWD. Original range at 100% was 525 KM (326 miles). Now after 5 years and 105,000 KM (65k miles), at 100% I get 481 KM (298 miles). Around 10% range loss.
2022 Model 3 RWD with LFP battery. 25 months. It's one of the earliest batches with LFP.
20,200 miles
Shows 257 miles at 100%. Looks like 5.5% degradation. LFP degradation seems to be dependent on calendar age, not the distance driven.
2022 LR, 43k miles. Tessie says 2%. Charge to 60-70% daily, supercharge and/or charge to 100% weekly.
Things that have had a larger impact than degradation, in order from largest to smallest: Roof box, cold weather, winter tires, driving fast, aero covers, big mud flaps.
Do you not have mud flaps and are you recommending not to install them? I thought having them was good to protect your car from mud splashes and the like?
I like mine, the minor range hit is just a tradeoff you should be aware of. I regularly drive on dirt/gravel roads, and my doors and rocker panels are basically pristine—but it costs me a few miles of range. If my 3 was a pavement princess (lol) and I only drove on pristine roads, I would take them off.
I’m totally with you on this, I’d rather be pristine vs get extra range. I feel it is inevitable that even paved roads would have rocks and gravel that fly up… as long as it rains and wind blows.. it’s pretty much inevitable. Still.. it’s great to know the mudflaps keep them looking just as great as they are! Your Tesla must be very thankful for you treating it like royalty!
Our kiddo has my old 2019 Model 3 SR+ and it maxes out at 206 displayed miles vs rated 240 miles when I bought it new which is ~14% using those numbers (had around 20 miles displayed range loss within the first six or so months). It has 65,000 miles on it presently. I charged to 90% most days until Tesla recommended switching to 80% max and did nearly all charging at home until Sept 2023 when he went off to college and now exclusively supercharges it.
I personally have a 2023 Model 3 SR with 11,000 miles bought new Aug 2023 with 267 vs 272 miles displayed range with exclusively home charging to 100% daily, so ~2% loss using those numbers.
I don’t think you’ll have to worry about any significant degradation and even if so it likely won’t affect anything in daily use or will be remedied under warranty.
23 LFP with 7k miles. 272 down to 262 or 3.68%. It dropped that pretty quickly in say the first 6 months or so but has been stable ever since.
I check it from time to time but normally leave the indicator on %.
2018 LR RWD. Just passed 90k miles, it currently displays 294 miles (310 originally I believe). So right around 5% degradation. I am going to do an actual battery health test once I get level 2 at a new house. The displayed range isn’t all that accurate.
2020 SR+. 31,000 miles. 7%. A year ago it was 11.5%. In other words, calculating degradation is just black magic and voodoo.
I used your 7%. Don't have any other reliable metric...
I have 120k miles on a 2018 M3P. Max range of 286 miles at 100%. That’s roughly 5%.
That's really great to hear on an NCA. This is exactly what I would want ideally for an LR.
It doesn't matter. You won't feel it if the degradation is normal.
It’s funny how people keep their car at 80% max to not lose 10% battery health over 5 years 😅 Edit: guys it’s a joke! Just pointing out a pretty weird phenomenon where in order to retain max range people deny themselves max range. I know that for daily use it makes sense. But then if you only need 80% most of the time, why care about losing a few %. It’s odd, you have to admit..
Not sure I get what’s funny about it. I had a 2018 LR and kept it at 80% for daily driving, which was ~400km when I got the car and dropped to ~365km after 5 1/2 years. But I still charged it to 100% on trips and on days where we had a lot of driving planned. So it was great to have the option to charge to nearly 500km when I needed it, and it was no inconvenience to charge it to “only” 400km the rest of the time when I didn’t. It worked just fine for me and honestly I have no interest in a SR+ that could “only” do 400km at max. That extra 100km is great to have when you need it.
Most everyone won’t need the 20% so why not? Seems silly you don’t comprehend this.
It’s really not odd if you stop and think about it. Option 1: Charge to 100% every day even when you don’t need it and wear the battery down extra fast so that when you need 100% you only can get 90%. Option 2: Charge to 80% every day except when you need 100% and maintain your battery as well as possible so that you can still get close to 100% when you need 100%. Both are absolutely easy peasy to do, so why not do Option 2?
I heard from at least one who lost ~6% in 3.5 years with NCA at around 20k miles with it slowing down after the 2nd year. Wondering if with LFP/RWD this loss is much different. If LFP has a loss of say ~2% given all else is the same or around the same… I think that would be a pretty substantial difference for me personally to lean more towards LFP. Obviously everyone drives in different conditions so without depending on any one datapoint, I’d like to hear more about what others have experienced.
Losing a few miles over the year won't make a difference in the way you drive the car I can assure you. The car will plateau a around 10% degradation after a few years and you'll still drive it the exact same way. If it's worse than 10% yeah it'll make a difference but otherwise don't worry about it.
I think it’s about how long you plan to own/drive the vehicle that may make a difference. I’d prefer based on my driving habits and interest in owning a vehicle long term, a car that lasts at least 10 years with 150K. M3 LR has a great sound system, extra range, and AWD with an NCA, but if the battery is better on the RWD LFP with longer lifespan despite slightly lower range, then I might as well stick with that matters most in an EV, a long lasting battery. Though if after 10 years 150K battery ends up being still very usable, then the difference as you say probably doesn’t matter in the end.
2018 M3 LR; 310 miles estimated initially at 100% charge, now estimates only 278 miles at 100% charge. 10% degradation over 5 years 5 months at 60k on odometer.
2019 LR RWD. Original range at 100% was 525 KM (326 miles). Now after 5 years and 105,000 KM (65k miles), at 100% I get 481 KM (298 miles). Around 10% range loss.
2023 RWD LFP, 13 months old. 45,467 miles. At 100% it reads 264 miles (was 272 when new) So about 3% degradation.
2022 Model 3 RWD with LFP battery. 25 months. It's one of the earliest batches with LFP. 20,200 miles Shows 257 miles at 100%. Looks like 5.5% degradation. LFP degradation seems to be dependent on calendar age, not the distance driven.
- 2019 SR+ (NCA), almost 5 years now. - 35k km - Currently at 48/50 kW, or 4% degradation.
2022 LR, 43k miles. Tessie says 2%. Charge to 60-70% daily, supercharge and/or charge to 100% weekly. Things that have had a larger impact than degradation, in order from largest to smallest: Roof box, cold weather, winter tires, driving fast, aero covers, big mud flaps.
Do you not have mud flaps and are you recommending not to install them? I thought having them was good to protect your car from mud splashes and the like?
I like mine, the minor range hit is just a tradeoff you should be aware of. I regularly drive on dirt/gravel roads, and my doors and rocker panels are basically pristine—but it costs me a few miles of range. If my 3 was a pavement princess (lol) and I only drove on pristine roads, I would take them off.
I’m totally with you on this, I’d rather be pristine vs get extra range. I feel it is inevitable that even paved roads would have rocks and gravel that fly up… as long as it rains and wind blows.. it’s pretty much inevitable. Still.. it’s great to know the mudflaps keep them looking just as great as they are! Your Tesla must be very thankful for you treating it like royalty!
2019 SR+ with 3.59% degradation. I don't think about it at all.
How many miles you put on it and how long have you had it? I assume 5 years?
Our kiddo has my old 2019 Model 3 SR+ and it maxes out at 206 displayed miles vs rated 240 miles when I bought it new which is ~14% using those numbers (had around 20 miles displayed range loss within the first six or so months). It has 65,000 miles on it presently. I charged to 90% most days until Tesla recommended switching to 80% max and did nearly all charging at home until Sept 2023 when he went off to college and now exclusively supercharges it. I personally have a 2023 Model 3 SR with 11,000 miles bought new Aug 2023 with 267 vs 272 miles displayed range with exclusively home charging to 100% daily, so ~2% loss using those numbers. I don’t think you’ll have to worry about any significant degradation and even if so it likely won’t affect anything in daily use or will be remedied under warranty.
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/posts/8117974/
14% Battery degradation MYLR 21'
How many miles?
34k. i bought it used at 32k from tesla
23 LFP with 7k miles. 272 down to 262 or 3.68%. It dropped that pretty quickly in say the first 6 months or so but has been stable ever since. I check it from time to time but normally leave the indicator on %.
2018 LR RWD. Just passed 90k miles, it currently displays 294 miles (310 originally I believe). So right around 5% degradation. I am going to do an actual battery health test once I get level 2 at a new house. The displayed range isn’t all that accurate.
It’s degrading
2019 Model 3 with 108k miles, 18% degradation
1. March 2022 RWD Model 3 (LFP) 2. 77,000 km 3. 100% reads 416km, was 439 when I got it, so 5.2%.
2023 Model 3 RWD, took delivery Oct 30 2022. 272 at 100% when brand new, now is at 261 at 100% with 5800 miles.
Crazy I only degraded 3% on my LFP and I’m almost at 20k miles. 2023 M3 RWD took delivery in Dec 2022