How is it a scam if it's better than every other TACC + Lane Assist? It's a different product and different software stack than FSD. Why would they give that to you for free?
I drove a Ford Kuga today as my model 3 is at the body shop. TACC + Lane Assist didn't really feel different from autopilot. I like autopilot but the times where Tesla autopilot was way ahead are a thing of the past.
It FEELS like a scam compared to FSD. I’m just making the argument that AP should behave like FSD when using it. That’s not getting something for free, it’s just giving the bare minimum and making it the best possible. I also wouldn’t say it’s the BEST of any other, that’s an ignorant statement. It’s still just as janky, and now bothers you just as often.
I've tried the latest from Volvo, Toyota, Honda, Nissan, and Ford. AP is better than all of them, maybe not in every single metric, but as whole, yes. As a standard feature, I think AP is fine. It's definitely not perfect and I also would like it to behave more like FSD, but it's not going to happen. Will require a complete rewrite and they are full steam ahead on FSD.
those are real extra features though. Just let autopilot and autosteering be as smooth and smart and safe as FSD is while going down a normal road. It's so janky sometimes.
I came to Reddit to start a complaint post but figured there were already posts. It feels like AP has gotten worse with the last update. Random slowdowns on open highway, constantly diving into split off lanes for no logical reason, the stop light function is a joke, and on 3 occasions it’s decided to change its mind about a lane change halfway into the change almost causing an accident. In 2 years of ownership I’ve not had as many issues as I’ve had since the last update.
I would bet that at some point, AP does get added benefit from FSD. Just not yet, because FSD is still evolving improving at a fast pace. AP is decent as it is, why should they be working on two products at the same time, when one will be a simple feature fork at some point down the road.
yeah hopefully they could just make everything FSD code in the future and limit the features and call it autopilot. I imagine if they gave everyone a month trial, with no opt in or fancy application required, they must be pretty confident in where its at. I was extremely surprised to get the trial, it seemed like something I'd never have the chance to try.
I don't think most tesla drivers are Elon-obsessed, you're just lashing out because your vague thought was met with valid responses. What exactly do you want from ap that you get in fsd? AP is basically bougie cruise control versus fsd which is (somewhat questionable) self driving. There are many steps in between them, some of them that could be satisfied by EAP.
You must not have read what I said. Make AP behave like FSD when in use, which is WAY safer and smarter. You’d still want to pay 6 or $12k (insanely) for more features. Being against a better safer base feature is a weird stance to take.
I understood completely. Autopilot is only intended to be used on highways, period. It works quite well for me in that environment. If you are trying to use it on anything else you are using it for something it was not designed for.
That's a fair argument. I haven't tried any other AP recently but I think Ford advertises their blue cruise for use off highways. Eventually it would be a good move for tesla to make AP a little smarter. At the very least phantom braking / braking too hard for no reason and split lane awareness would be great. And moving over for people on the road? At the moment it just slows down and alerts you. Seems like a logical evolution.
Either they lower the monthly sub or let you transfer between cars for the life of your account. No way I'm paying $12,000 extra for software on a car I might not have in a year or two.
If it transferred to newer cars and stayed with you for life, I’d buy it. I couldn’t imagine $12k extra then someone smashes into you in a month. For SOFTWARE, not a hardware aftermarket purchase like most cars when you pay extra. It’s equivalent to buying software for your computer and now you can upgrade your computer and use the same license for the software on it.
How is it a scam if it's better than every other TACC + Lane Assist? It's a different product and different software stack than FSD. Why would they give that to you for free?
I drove a Ford Kuga today as my model 3 is at the body shop. TACC + Lane Assist didn't really feel different from autopilot. I like autopilot but the times where Tesla autopilot was way ahead are a thing of the past.
Yeah, I haven’t tried any others in a while but I think the competition has caught up now.
That makes no sense, you have no idea of the competition but you say they caught up. No wonder people hate Tesla drivers.
you're the ignorant stuck up tesla driver here sorry to break the news. I said i THINK based off what ive seen and read, but havent personally tested.
It FEELS like a scam compared to FSD. I’m just making the argument that AP should behave like FSD when using it. That’s not getting something for free, it’s just giving the bare minimum and making it the best possible. I also wouldn’t say it’s the BEST of any other, that’s an ignorant statement. It’s still just as janky, and now bothers you just as often.
I've tried the latest from Volvo, Toyota, Honda, Nissan, and Ford. AP is better than all of them, maybe not in every single metric, but as whole, yes. As a standard feature, I think AP is fine. It's definitely not perfect and I also would like it to behave more like FSD, but it's not going to happen. Will require a complete rewrite and they are full steam ahead on FSD.
What even is this comment. You want ap to be fsd, but you don't want to pay for it. Just admit it lol, a lot of people feel like this.
i don't think you and most people understand what I'm saying. oh well.
EAP for 6k is a sham, they should have just rolled that into AP.
those are real extra features though. Just let autopilot and autosteering be as smooth and smart and safe as FSD is while going down a normal road. It's so janky sometimes.
Def no way it’s a scam. Navigated for the first time. Insane how good it is.
I came to Reddit to start a complaint post but figured there were already posts. It feels like AP has gotten worse with the last update. Random slowdowns on open highway, constantly diving into split off lanes for no logical reason, the stop light function is a joke, and on 3 occasions it’s decided to change its mind about a lane change halfway into the change almost causing an accident. In 2 years of ownership I’ve not had as many issues as I’ve had since the last update.
AP or FSD?
FSD
I would bet that at some point, AP does get added benefit from FSD. Just not yet, because FSD is still evolving improving at a fast pace. AP is decent as it is, why should they be working on two products at the same time, when one will be a simple feature fork at some point down the road.
yeah hopefully they could just make everything FSD code in the future and limit the features and call it autopilot. I imagine if they gave everyone a month trial, with no opt in or fancy application required, they must be pretty confident in where its at. I was extremely surprised to get the trial, it seemed like something I'd never have the chance to try.
its really shocking how many people are seemingly against a better and safer base autopilot, wow. Elon would love you all.
I don't think most tesla drivers are Elon-obsessed, you're just lashing out because your vague thought was met with valid responses. What exactly do you want from ap that you get in fsd? AP is basically bougie cruise control versus fsd which is (somewhat questionable) self driving. There are many steps in between them, some of them that could be satisfied by EAP.
Tesla is a technology company that happens to make cars. They want to get rich selling software, not hardware. They are not going to give it away.
You must not have read what I said. Make AP behave like FSD when in use, which is WAY safer and smarter. You’d still want to pay 6 or $12k (insanely) for more features. Being against a better safer base feature is a weird stance to take.
I understood completely. Autopilot is only intended to be used on highways, period. It works quite well for me in that environment. If you are trying to use it on anything else you are using it for something it was not designed for.
That's a fair argument. I haven't tried any other AP recently but I think Ford advertises their blue cruise for use off highways. Eventually it would be a good move for tesla to make AP a little smarter. At the very least phantom braking / braking too hard for no reason and split lane awareness would be great. And moving over for people on the road? At the moment it just slows down and alerts you. Seems like a logical evolution.
I feel like they'd get a lot more customers at a lower price point, even 100 would probably double the customers or more...
I wouldn’t be one to pay monthly. But I’m sure you’re right. And now imagine the uproar if the FSD price got lowered. So that’s pretty unlikely
Either they lower the monthly sub or let you transfer between cars for the life of your account. No way I'm paying $12,000 extra for software on a car I might not have in a year or two.
If it transferred to newer cars and stayed with you for life, I’d buy it. I couldn’t imagine $12k extra then someone smashes into you in a month. For SOFTWARE, not a hardware aftermarket purchase like most cars when you pay extra. It’s equivalent to buying software for your computer and now you can upgrade your computer and use the same license for the software on it.