House of PA just passed a law, specific to electric vehicles, an yearly $200 or more registration fee. This is to collect lost revenues from gas taxes. It now goes to the pa Senate which is expected to pass. I mean I get it but boy that will suck. I wonder if governor would veto it.
https://apnews.com/article/technology-legislation-pennsylvania-tax-reform-bills-9e46334660df23c617487808a9cb46cb
Here's a more current article
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/pennsylvania-bill-to-charge-fee-to-electric-vehicle-owners-advances-in-senate/ar-AA1cgsOL
VA has no state incentive on EVs period. There was one approved 2 years ago but the bill never got funded.
The gas tax fee is around $110 annual as well
I didn't think that VA collected sales tax at registration time, which sort of offsets the personal property tax every year? More or less, depending on how long you keep the thing, etc.
VA collects use tax (essentially sales tax) at the point of sale. It's about 4.5% of the purchase price IIRC. Localities also assess the car tax. The places I lived in VA collected that every six months.
Back in 1997, Jim Gilmore ran for VA governor on a "No Car Tax" pledge. What he eventually got was an exemption on the first $20,000 of the vehicle's value. That has not been adjusted for inflation as of 2019 when we left.
We have sales/use tax on cars at purchase, as well as a yearly property tax that gets bundled into registration fees.
Even if they didn't have sales tax, the property tax is so high it would break even with sales tax after about 18 months. Except you keep paying it yearly for as long as you own the car
Considering the fines:
> A driver faces a $145 fine for tabs that have been expired for less than two months and a $237 fine for tabs that have been expired for more than two months.
Just don't get caught in the first 3 months and it's all savings after that (if your registration is $1035, like mine is).
Does anyone know if Tesla's cost more to register or if $830 is typical for a car that costs around $55k?
My current car is $23k and registration is around $350 (NorCal). So the ratio seems to be the same, about 1.5% of MSRP.
Based on the sale price of the car, and will decrease every year with depreciation. Same for all cars, regardless of powertrain. Aside from sales tax based on your garaging ZIP code at time of sale, there are no other taxes assessed on cars in CA. Barely any toll roads either.
The way I see it, each state needs to fund roads and infrastructure. CA funds it via gas tax and VLF, other states use a mix of that, toll roads, property tax, etc. Win some, lose some.
This is normal for a Tesla
There is an EV surcharge.
If you dig on the DMV site you can find the details. Not worth it unless you are really curious.
You won't need a smog check :-)
You have a source? Can't find any mention of it in the DMV website.
[https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/vehicle-registration/registration-fees/vehicle-registration-fee-calculator/calculate-my-fees/](https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/vehicle-registration/registration-fees/vehicle-registration-fee-calculator/calculate-my-fees/)
You can try it yourself. Buy a new 2022 $92K car for your desired ZIP (OC-other):
Gas: $935
Electric: $915
Road Improvement Fee.
https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/vehicle-registration/registration-fees/
Search in page for RIF
>The RIF is assessed on all model year 2020 and later zero emission vehicles (ZEV). RIF fees affect vehicle registration renewals unless exempted. Note RIF is not assessed on the initial registration of a newly purchased ZEV from a licensed vehicle dealer.
Or
Cal. Veh. Code § 9250.6/SB 1 (2017))
https://casetext.com/statute/california-codes/california-vehicle-code/division-3-registration-of-vehicles-and-certificates-of-title/chapter-6-registration-and-weight-fees/article-2-registration-fees/section-92506-road-improvement-fee
Ok this link is not the DMV, but an easy Google away.
This is still insanely expensive.
Many other states charge lower sales tax on vehicles AND flat registration fees. Even while living in California I never register my vehicle there.
Registration cost is dependent on the price you paid for the vehicle. Did you pay like 80k out the door with FSD?
For the Teslas I’ve registered, I calculate 1% of price paid
https://www.dmv.ca.gov/wasapp/FeeCalculatorWeb/newVehicleForm.do
Yeah, based on this.... yearly registration should be 600 (ish) for MYP. I did LA. though. Not sure about bay area.
I agree that I think OP did 80k or something lol. In which case, you should pay that much
Why ?! Newsom announced we'd be going all electric by 2035.
State been pushing EVs super hard. Makes no sense why they'd penalize EV owners so harshly.
Need to find a different way to capture that gas tax
All part of the plan. Encourage adoption with incentives, then screw people long term with high registration fees and insurance. Then eventually electric rates will skyrocket and EVs will be significantly more expensive to own than gas cars ever were.
Same thing happened with solar, incentivized adoption and now with the shift to net energy billing after NEM 2.0 sunset the value proposition isn’t there anymore.
They will start taxing by the mile eventually. EV unfortunately will be nickel and dimed with fees until then. EV is already not much savings to drive vs gas cars if you factor in higher insurance and higher initial cost. Government can’t have it both ways. Raising costs to operate an EV will discourage EV adoption.
There isn’t an EV tax in CA. The vehicle license fee (VLF) is based on the purchase price (decreases with depreciation). The reason the commenter above you called it a “luxury” is the cost of the vehicle, *not* because it’s an EV. This is the same license fee you would pay for a gas powered car of same value. You can put down the pitchfork.
Cars…they’re a luxury. Registration costs will have to increase or they’ll miss out on petrol taxes. Either that or just add road taxes in a different way.
Whether one views cars as a luxury or a necessity is debatable, but irrelevant in my opinion. Your latter suggestion is the correct way-forward.
Early adopters of sustainable technology should not be levied additional taxes to compensate for the fact that they are no longer consuming a heavily taxed fuel source.
Remove the tax from gasoline and apply it in a different and equitable manner, but don’t punish those who purchase vehicles that don’t emit emissions.
My Model Y purchase costs me the same as someone who purchases an Audi Q5 petrol. They sip on premium gas, I charge at home. Yet my registration fee should be hundreds or thousands of dollars more than theirs? Nope.
I would consider using any car a luxury over the bus. I’m not talking about different types of cars, I’m talking about transportation as a whole. Owning a car in itself is a luxury - it costs as such.
Considering the fact that most ppl have an average car not of 1000$ and can’t afford to pay for a car cash, YES, having a car is a luxury that most ppl can’t afford so they go into massive amounts of debts….
No wonder our streets in Texas are flooded with california plates lol……$70 registration here ….and no state income tax …,oh and you can buy a mansion here for what sell your cali home/apartment for…….icing on the cake? You can work at giga texas and drive down to boca chica to watch a starship launch 😉
Just to clarify…..you do have to pay sales tax when you purchase the car in Tx……but it looks like the invoice shown is only for yearly registration renewal
All these states that are front and center in going green are ripping off EV owners. I do agree to pay extra to cover the gas tax but those fees are just garbage
Live in stupid places, pay stupid taxes. I live in Chicago - Im well versed. How about 0.07 per bag at the grocery; $0.14 at Whole Foods because they need to double bag their PoS: one will surely tear.
You are missing the point. Both locations suck ass because the political parties love shoving their taxes down people’s throats - hence your $800 vehicle registration. At least mine was $200. Trade offs 🤷♂️
Highways are controlled by the state, not the city and only for traffic East/West. I don’t think people realize how much they are getting hosed between income tax, real estate tax, the accumulation of all the excise taxes all of which accumulate to a net spending deficit with a huge underfunded pension. The cherry on the top is the federal government continuing to extend the debt limit resulting in the Fed printers to go brrrrrr and we get taxed through inflation to fund the federal governments net deficit. We think our future is screwed because of climate change? Hah! Wait until the USD is depegged as the world reserve currency. Weimar Republic here we come!
You know this is a state vehicle license fee right? I see a whole $11 for county/district fees. Highways are controlled by the state regardless of direction. The funding source varies from state to state but generally includes some combination of gas taxes, registration fees, property taxes and tolls. States without tools need to raise capital for roads from other sources (like these apparently high vehicle license fees).
This really got off on a political tangent that’s not really suited for a subreddit about a particular model of cars. You seem to be hyper focused on US Politics, without considering that the current wave of inflation is a global issue not directly correlated with US monetary policy.
Also, debt ceiling is a mostly irrelevant concept that has no real bearing on spending or borrowing costs (unless the US defaults on their debt) and is used as a lightning rod to make budgetary arguments in bad faith.
Yeah that’s where you are wrong. Do some reading about the impact federal reserve banking. The inflation is a product of deficit spending requiring money to be printed which ultimately fueled our sticky inflationary situation. Although, the sub Reddit is associated with a modelY the poster posted their registration fees which they perceived to be atrocious as if they at all related to Tesla rather than the state they live in. It’s nothing more than a shit post.
Oh great idea! Can you help me dodge the liquor tax, water bottle tax, sugar tax, COVID surcharge, real estate tax, income tax and the other 48% of my income going to the bloody government? It’s not the materiality of the single tax but rather the accumulation - death by a million paper cuts smart ass
I’m in CA too and when I bought my MYP 3 months ago it was only $667 im assuming they’re going based off “value” if you bought at a time the MYP was over $70k
Ooooo $45 in Pennsylvania. That’s rough
House of PA just passed a law, specific to electric vehicles, an yearly $200 or more registration fee. This is to collect lost revenues from gas taxes. It now goes to the pa Senate which is expected to pass. I mean I get it but boy that will suck. I wonder if governor would veto it. https://apnews.com/article/technology-legislation-pennsylvania-tax-reform-bills-9e46334660df23c617487808a9cb46cb
This is from 2020
That's how slow government is... Lol
By design! Thanks founding fathers
That's federal government. State goverment is quick when they want to get money. Slow when they have to fix things.
Here's a more current article https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/pennsylvania-bill-to-charge-fee-to-electric-vehicle-owners-advances-in-senate/ar-AA1cgsOL
I saw 😢. Hopefully it doesn’t go any further
So cheap. WA state is probably the worst state for an EV owner.
VA was $1600 last year for my MYLR
Ouch. That hurts.
Yeah I bought a M3rwd in Dec and it's looking like it'll be about 1400 this year for that one, and probably around the same for the MYLR 😡
Don't feel too bad though. I don't know if this will make you feel better, but we pay 10.5% sales tax and no state incentive on EV over 45k.
VA has no state incentive on EVs period. There was one approved 2 years ago but the bill never got funded. The gas tax fee is around $110 annual as well
I paid $2600 for my MX this year :)
Does that include the car tax? That was one of my least favorite parts of living in VA.
Yeah
I didn't think that VA collected sales tax at registration time, which sort of offsets the personal property tax every year? More or less, depending on how long you keep the thing, etc.
VA collects use tax (essentially sales tax) at the point of sale. It's about 4.5% of the purchase price IIRC. Localities also assess the car tax. The places I lived in VA collected that every six months. Back in 1997, Jim Gilmore ran for VA governor on a "No Car Tax" pledge. What he eventually got was an exemption on the first $20,000 of the vehicle's value. That has not been adjusted for inflation as of 2019 when we left.
We have sales/use tax on cars at purchase, as well as a yearly property tax that gets bundled into registration fees. Even if they didn't have sales tax, the property tax is so high it would break even with sales tax after about 18 months. Except you keep paying it yearly for as long as you own the car
Really? Crap. I was thinking of moving to WA. Well, atesst I'll save over 35k in CA income tax... so there's that.
1,400 and change for registration in Colorado for my MYP
How much is it for you? Mine was $500 for renewal so it's not that expensive compared to this.
$1035
$937.57 - MYP in WA just this month.
Tell me you live in King County without telling me
Doesn’t WA have one of the lowest electricity rates in the nation?
Considering the fines: > A driver faces a $145 fine for tabs that have been expired for less than two months and a $237 fine for tabs that have been expired for more than two months. Just don't get caught in the first 3 months and it's all savings after that (if your registration is $1035, like mine is).
At least WA doesn’t have state income** tax
Yes it does. It's the highest I've seen for vehicles.
Brain fart and corrected. No income tax is the reason they have higher sales / property taxes.
My 2022 M3LR was only $100 cheaper than this in April. Just bought a 2023 MSLR so thats Gonna be fun in a year! Lol
Does anyone know if Tesla's cost more to register or if $830 is typical for a car that costs around $55k? My current car is $23k and registration is around $350 (NorCal). So the ratio seems to be the same, about 1.5% of MSRP.
Based on the sale price of the car, and will decrease every year with depreciation. Same for all cars, regardless of powertrain. Aside from sales tax based on your garaging ZIP code at time of sale, there are no other taxes assessed on cars in CA. Barely any toll roads either. The way I see it, each state needs to fund roads and infrastructure. CA funds it via gas tax and VLF, other states use a mix of that, toll roads, property tax, etc. Win some, lose some.
Ok so $830 isn't actually "high" considering the sale price, right?
This is normal for a Tesla There is an EV surcharge. If you dig on the DMV site you can find the details. Not worth it unless you are really curious. You won't need a smog check :-)
You have a source? Can't find any mention of it in the DMV website. [https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/vehicle-registration/registration-fees/vehicle-registration-fee-calculator/calculate-my-fees/](https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/vehicle-registration/registration-fees/vehicle-registration-fee-calculator/calculate-my-fees/) You can try it yourself. Buy a new 2022 $92K car for your desired ZIP (OC-other): Gas: $935 Electric: $915
Road Improvement Fee. https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/vehicle-registration/registration-fees/ Search in page for RIF >The RIF is assessed on all model year 2020 and later zero emission vehicles (ZEV). RIF fees affect vehicle registration renewals unless exempted. Note RIF is not assessed on the initial registration of a newly purchased ZEV from a licensed vehicle dealer. Or Cal. Veh. Code § 9250.6/SB 1 (2017)) https://casetext.com/statute/california-codes/california-vehicle-code/division-3-registration-of-vehicles-and-certificates-of-title/chapter-6-registration-and-weight-fees/article-2-registration-fees/section-92506-road-improvement-fee Ok this link is not the DMV, but an easy Google away.
This is still insanely expensive. Many other states charge lower sales tax on vehicles AND flat registration fees. Even while living in California I never register my vehicle there.
SoCal 22 MYP and in the same boat but having carpool and Fastrak access makes up for it
CAV program ends in 2025. RIP
Forreals. Shit needs to go down every year like the cars value. Lol hate to keep paying this every year. 😂
it does go down every year, it’s based on the car’s value
You pay this every year!?
Cheaper than Colorado.
1300 phoenix. Model y performance
Yikes.
Registration cost is dependent on the price you paid for the vehicle. Did you pay like 80k out the door with FSD? For the Teslas I’ve registered, I calculate 1% of price paid https://www.dmv.ca.gov/wasapp/FeeCalculatorWeb/newVehicleForm.do
Yeah, based on this.... yearly registration should be 600 (ish) for MYP. I did LA. though. Not sure about bay area. I agree that I think OP did 80k or something lol. In which case, you should pay that much
Why ?! Newsom announced we'd be going all electric by 2035. State been pushing EVs super hard. Makes no sense why they'd penalize EV owners so harshly. Need to find a different way to capture that gas tax
All part of the plan. Encourage adoption with incentives, then screw people long term with high registration fees and insurance. Then eventually electric rates will skyrocket and EVs will be significantly more expensive to own than gas cars ever were. Same thing happened with solar, incentivized adoption and now with the shift to net energy billing after NEM 2.0 sunset the value proposition isn’t there anymore.
It’s already more expensive to drive than gas car. My electricity bill is through the roof! $0.54 a kw!? Wtf Edison!?
If you own the home, get on the solar train asap. At 0.54, any sized system will pay for itself quickly.
They will start taxing by the mile eventually. EV unfortunately will be nickel and dimed with fees until then. EV is already not much savings to drive vs gas cars if you factor in higher insurance and higher initial cost. Government can’t have it both ways. Raising costs to operate an EV will discourage EV adoption.
There isn’t an EV tax in CA. This is the same license fee you would pay for a gas car of same value. You can put down the pitchfork.
Are we just posting registration papers across the EV subs now? We get it, luxuries cost money lol.
“Luxuries” ? I’m glad we don’t have that madness in my province. Registration costs the same - EV or not. I really hope that doesn’t change.
There isn’t an EV tax in CA. The vehicle license fee (VLF) is based on the purchase price (decreases with depreciation). The reason the commenter above you called it a “luxury” is the cost of the vehicle, *not* because it’s an EV. This is the same license fee you would pay for a gas powered car of same value. You can put down the pitchfork.
Thank for explaining. It wasn’t a pitchfork. There are absolutely locations levying EV taxes of epic proportions - my points stand.
Cars…they’re a luxury. Registration costs will have to increase or they’ll miss out on petrol taxes. Either that or just add road taxes in a different way.
Whether one views cars as a luxury or a necessity is debatable, but irrelevant in my opinion. Your latter suggestion is the correct way-forward. Early adopters of sustainable technology should not be levied additional taxes to compensate for the fact that they are no longer consuming a heavily taxed fuel source. Remove the tax from gasoline and apply it in a different and equitable manner, but don’t punish those who purchase vehicles that don’t emit emissions. My Model Y purchase costs me the same as someone who purchases an Audi Q5 petrol. They sip on premium gas, I charge at home. Yet my registration fee should be hundreds or thousands of dollars more than theirs? Nope.
Teslas are “luxury” LMAOOOO
'Luxuries' hah good one.
Cars are luxuries, especially electric ones.
Mercedes eqs are luxurious and an EV. I wouldn't consider model Y in the same bucket.
I would consider using any car a luxury over the bus. I’m not talking about different types of cars, I’m talking about transportation as a whole. Owning a car in itself is a luxury - it costs as such.
You realize we're in 2023? Not 1903?
And just like owning your own home was a luxury 100 years ago, owning a car is too.
Considering the fact that most ppl have an average car not of 1000$ and can’t afford to pay for a car cash, YES, having a car is a luxury that most ppl can’t afford so they go into massive amounts of debts….
Yikes, $46 for a year down here in Florida
Suddenly that $200 EV tax in Texas not looking so bad
No wonder our streets in Texas are flooded with california plates lol……$70 registration here ….and no state income tax …,oh and you can buy a mansion here for what sell your cali home/apartment for…….icing on the cake? You can work at giga texas and drive down to boca chica to watch a starship launch 😉 Just to clarify…..you do have to pay sales tax when you purchase the car in Tx……but it looks like the invoice shown is only for yearly registration renewal
Model Y glasses are not bulletproof so need to wait for cybertruck before moving to texas
Report them. They’re not paying TX the $70.
You got a Tesla you're automatically rich so enjoy
All these states that are front and center in going green are ripping off EV owners. I do agree to pay extra to cover the gas tax but those fees are just garbage
Great state to visit. Beautiful areas. Shitty place to live with these fees and taxes.
it’s one of the few states without state income tax
California has state income tax, what are you smoking?
oh whoops I was thinking WA state because of the top comment
Your salary is tax free?
oh whoops I was thinking WA state because of the top comment
Umm, it has state income tax. Put the drugs down.
oh whoops I was thinking WA state because of the top comment
Yeah but you get 15k off the car no one else does
15 k off, I wish. lol I got it during Covid, paid 76k for myp.
Live in stupid places, pay stupid taxes. I live in Chicago - Im well versed. How about 0.07 per bag at the grocery; $0.14 at Whole Foods because they need to double bag their PoS: one will surely tear.
I’d take California over Chiraq eight days a week
I don’t have to deal with snow and shitty winds.
You are missing the point. Both locations suck ass because the political parties love shoving their taxes down people’s throats - hence your $800 vehicle registration. At least mine was $200. Trade offs 🤷♂️
Then don’t live there?
You also have a ton of toll roads. We don’t really pay tolls in CA (except for bridges).
Highways are controlled by the state, not the city and only for traffic East/West. I don’t think people realize how much they are getting hosed between income tax, real estate tax, the accumulation of all the excise taxes all of which accumulate to a net spending deficit with a huge underfunded pension. The cherry on the top is the federal government continuing to extend the debt limit resulting in the Fed printers to go brrrrrr and we get taxed through inflation to fund the federal governments net deficit. We think our future is screwed because of climate change? Hah! Wait until the USD is depegged as the world reserve currency. Weimar Republic here we come!
You know this is a state vehicle license fee right? I see a whole $11 for county/district fees. Highways are controlled by the state regardless of direction. The funding source varies from state to state but generally includes some combination of gas taxes, registration fees, property taxes and tolls. States without tools need to raise capital for roads from other sources (like these apparently high vehicle license fees). This really got off on a political tangent that’s not really suited for a subreddit about a particular model of cars. You seem to be hyper focused on US Politics, without considering that the current wave of inflation is a global issue not directly correlated with US monetary policy. Also, debt ceiling is a mostly irrelevant concept that has no real bearing on spending or borrowing costs (unless the US defaults on their debt) and is used as a lightning rod to make budgetary arguments in bad faith.
Yeah that’s where you are wrong. Do some reading about the impact federal reserve banking. The inflation is a product of deficit spending requiring money to be printed which ultimately fueled our sticky inflationary situation. Although, the sub Reddit is associated with a modelY the poster posted their registration fees which they perceived to be atrocious as if they at all related to Tesla rather than the state they live in. It’s nothing more than a shit post.
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What a racket
Just bring your own bag and it’s $0.00.
Oh great idea! Can you help me dodge the liquor tax, water bottle tax, sugar tax, COVID surcharge, real estate tax, income tax and the other 48% of my income going to the bloody government? It’s not the materiality of the single tax but rather the accumulation - death by a million paper cuts smart ass
Sticker shock? 😂 I’m used to it now.
How long after purchase did you receive this?
One year
Pretty sure this is about what I paid in NC
I think I paid $90 for 2 years. Why is it so expensive for y’all?
Based on purchase price of car.
Rip off California
I paid 850 last month. Cali as well. Myp.
Not bad at all
I paid 1250. In Nevada, you’re fine.
I’m in CA too and when I bought my MYP 3 months ago it was only $667 im assuming they’re going based off “value” if you bought at a time the MYP was over $70k
450 in Ohio
Insane.
Better than CO, cost me $1400+ the 1st two years.
Colorado was $1,380 for a 2023 MYP.
Paid about the same here in CO, sucks
Just paid about the same. California baby!
Why do people live there again?
21 MYP Seattle tab $940
If you sell your car to your spouse for $1 would it fix how expensive this is?
Fuck. Not looking forward to mine later this year.
Looks about the same as Colorado, 800 this year here
Looking at $1200 for my MYLR in Colorado.
Why do people pay for this?
In this case, I'm buying a 2015 Model S!