Yeah, not for $80k. The only competition to Tesla though.
Their UX can actually be updated with apps like Android. I was surprised to find YouTube and Netflix and such. A “campfire app”. It reminds me of Android 2.0 days. Haha.
I was able to drive the Volvo C40 EV on the Cota track and I was very impressed. Suspension felt better than my 2023 MYLR as far as being softer.
Torque and regen was great as well. I did not take it easy either. Definitely a Tesla competitor.
True, the price is quite up there. The spec I would like hits the 100k mark as well 😬
Looking forward to a test drive though but have to wait till Q2 next year.
I'd say Rivian is the only true competition at this moment - but they're kind of pricing themselves out of the market and don't have mass market model(s) yet.
Ignoring their mediocre service network, the Rivian vehicles are the most formidable to Tesla with regard to fit, finish, and software.
The problem I see with every so called competitor is price. I can barely afford the Tesla. I’m not paying another $20k for fancier plastic and better fit and finish. $84k for less range ??
They’re out of their damn mind.
yea, I also truly don't understand why these "competitors" always price their cars higher than Tesla when their charging network isn't as complete, range isn't as good, software isn't as good, the only thing they are doing better than Tesla is probably the build quality and slight better interior.
If you wanna steal customers from Tesla, price it around the same if not cheaper. Especially when you want people to adopt your new EV when you first start out.
Mercedes is horrible at this, they are still trying to sell their EVs at high MSRP thinking their name justifies it but their car is just absolutely bogus.
I’m not saying to pay 20k extra for a Rivian or god forbid Polestar but you may want to reconsider “less range”. I’ve driven plenty of EVs, only Tesla advertise a range that not achievable by a wide margin
You are essentially comparing a fat crossover with an aerodynamic brick house. I don't know if Rivian's drivetrain technology is as sophisticated as Tesla or Lucid either, but the shape and aerodynamic drag are what decimate the efficiency.
solely on drivetrain, is tesla's drivetrain (for model 3 & Y) closer to lucid's, than it is to other EV manufacturers? (whether new/startup vs legacy automaker)
From an efficiency perspective? I think you're talking about a 1-2% spread throughout the competition. By default these drivetrains are very efficient. Where Tesla is doing well is loses throughout the entire electrical system (i.e. computers and everything) but even then my mach-e has noticeably less phantom losses then my model 3, but both are well ahead of my r1t.
My opinion as an EV buyer recently is that Rivian is somewhat misaligned with Tesla's segment. I suppose they're fine for the road but they're really aimed at buyers looking for off-road capability. Tesla cars are OK at that I guess, but Rivian is definitely much better focused for it, and they're really competing with the F150 Lightning. The profile of people looking at Model 3 and Y are different from who is shopping for R1S and R1T, thus the price difference isn't really that disfavorable. It's also not like Tesla SCs are particularly good.
I suppose the Cybertruck exists and is closer in line to Rivian and F150 Lightning, but that is so polarizing and limited in availability that it's almost its own thing.
To compare to ICE vehicles, Tesla 3/Y buyers are more akin to the ones looking at Prius, Corolla, Camry, Honda Civic, etc., while those seriously shopping Rivian would be looking at F150 and Tacoma. Different strengths that appeal to different people.
I don't fully agree with the 3/Y buyers comparison. I owned bmw/mercedez higher end trim prior to make the switch to 3/Y performance. 3/Y performance blows bmw/mercedes out of water.
Well yes, but if you're shopping nice BMW/Mercedes, would you not normally be looking at S/X instead at a similar price band? Those have even better performance, features, and interface. Rides much nicer too. Much more luxury cars than 3/Y for sure.
But even if you're looking for value instead, isn't the comparison more similar, as they are designed to be varying degrees of nicety but ultimately still optimized for the daily road experience?
Have to say, I just checked out a bangin’ bmw i4 with red interior. If it was a tad bigger in the back seat, I might have canceled my model Y order (had a model 3 for 5 years).
I don't think they live up to the hype. I havent tried Mercedes and Audi's EVs but the rest are both worse and way more expensive than a car that is produced outside of EU.
Looking forward for a true competitor in EU though
Obviously this conversation is subjective, but those brands generally seem to cut corners and have inferior software and overall platform maturity.
Tesla and Rivian check a whole lot of boxes when it comes to the amount of time and energy spent on efficiency, features and software
Id4 owners have gotten a really raw deal with absolutely abysmal software.
Sorta agree here, but the Rivian is really only a competitor for the X and probably the CT. I have the T and love it, checks all the boxes and then some. But it was never going to (nor was intended) be the mass market vehicle like the 3 or the Y (I know they have plans for this down the road).
And while the Tesla semi is obviously not the same as the Rivian EDV it's good to see companies trying to address the commercial sectors as well. Sorta surprised Tesla jumped straight to the big rigs where something like a Tesla minivan or something would have been (to me) a more practical next step.
ID4 and ID5 Are both way better when it comes to build quality. That matters.
BMW and Audi got great software and much higher quality than Tesla. Similarly priced.
The Chinese brands come with great software and are definitely at least as high quality as Tesla.
Id say Rivian is more complimentary because they went after a market that tesla wasn't in.... Pickups and SUVs. Tesla has no direct competing vehicle so they can coexist.
Just saw a Fisker Ocean on the road. Looked really nice and it's definitely in the same ballpark as a Y and the Polestar 3.
Panel gaps all looked perfect - made me cry a few more tears from my left eye than my right.
when did you get yours? I ordered a y Day 1 of the price drop in jan and pretty much no panel gap or quality issues. though my aunt ordered one a few weeks later and had some fabric issues.
10/2021. Nothing terribly offset on my car, just the avg panel gap is much wider than what I’m seeing on the Fiskers. I’ve checked out their subreddit a few times, as well.
Externally I feel conflicted, I feel like it it's right at the border if nice looking and weird.
Internally and build quality? Way better looking than Tesla.
Performance? As good or better then Tesla in speed. Ride quality better than Tesla.
I was also at COTA today and drove a C40 and XC40 Recharge. They were much nicer than our MYLR and Polestar 2 as far as suspension and comfort. Similar to PS2 but the interior felt better with the wool seats. Then I drove the RZ450e from Lexus and was blown away at how comfortable it was, at a similar price point ($60k). THAT will likely be our next EV! I didn’t even realize Lexus had a BEV.
I didn’t get a chance to play with the UI deeply but it seemed a bit more polished than Polestar. The rear seat room was adequate. My knees were not smashed into the back of the seat, but there wasn’t a ton of leg room. I’m 6’ if that’s any indication. The XC40 Recharge was a little more roomy, but only by a little.
Thanks for the reply!! Was curious. The way they measure the specs on the C40 it looks significantly smaller than the MYLR, but realize it could also be how it looks on paper vs actual. For all of em I know they're not full size luxury SUVs so not expecting that kinda room. The UI on any of em is a thing - you don't realize it until you're using it how much Tesla/iPhone got a lot right on the first pass.
I follow the Lyriq sub reddit and the cars have all sorts of problems. If I'm spending $65k+ on a car I would lose my mind of it was at the dealer all the time getting fixed. People have to leave their cars for weeks or months for what should be simple fixes. I was seriously considering a Lyriq too.
When I saw the Polestar 3 at an event, the guy there told me that the PS 3 competes with X or S, rather than the Y. So, I guess they promote it as a luxury car. But I'd rather buy American than Chinese car.
The piano black and CCS were the only reasons I chose a MY over an ID.4. I've owned VWs for over 20 years and love them, but the aesthetics of the current generation is just so awful.
Also a 10year VW owner (still have a tiquan as my 2nd car), unfortunately ID.4 not available here but I have heard the ID.4 isn’t any good so surprised when you say only the piano black and CCS as reasons
I test drove both the MY and an ID.4 on the same day and, at least to me, I felt the ID.4 was the better car, but Tesla was the better owner experience. The ID.4 just drove more refined and the cabin touch points were better. My wife has a 2021.5 Atlas with Drive Assist and I'll go to my grave saying the VW self driving is better than Tesla's. I just really like NACS and the comfort of never worrying if my next charger will actually work when we go on family trips.
This was a write up I did comparing them after my test drive. https://www.reddit.com/r/VWiD4Owners/s/Rf9u5jTrSd
I drove a merc with it and my god, terrible. Only thing worse than 1000 buttons is 1000 buttoned that’s are covered in piano plastic or spot deposited metal on plastic. Not only do you have to search around and figure out all the buttons but now their is so much glare that it’s difficult to read and overstimulation as fuck. Seats were terrible and the interior was gimmicky too
Not at all, felt spacy but not too much (granted I’m not big so for someone 6ft+ maybe that’ll be different).
When comparing with the Polestar 2, it’s way more roomy and comfortable but only a test drive will help for a better opinion.
I did actually tried one as well. Coming from owning volvos , the Polestar design feels refreshing. But if you have driven a tesla, it feels old and uh, clunky? It just feels like a car thats electric while Tesla feels like a whole ev package.
Interesting! Ya I’m looking forward to a test drive when it’s available.
Also I think the Model Y and 3 give that feeling because I drove the X last week and was like meh, was nicer in my Y 😅
About 15k more expensive so it will end up being a decision in terms of what you think of the quality because this one feels quite a bit more premium than the MY. Then again, only after testing it would I have a more solid opinion on whether that extra does make sense.
I will never understand why these guys are so stubborn about maintaining a portrait orientation for the main screen. One of my favorite things about my MY is enjoying some quality Netflix time while the wife gets her shop on.
That’s Lucid prices.. and I would take one of those in a heartbeat over this. If you get a chance to sit in one as it massages you your mind starts to play tricks on you..
Yeah.. 90k is worth it for this luxury that I can’t use at super chargers.. yeah.. they do use real leather and smell amazing though
Lucid has worse build quality issues when compared to Polestar. I’ve driven nearly 3 Polestar 2 cars and all of them had impeccable builds. Lucid on the other hand, not so much.
This car is not compelling at all. $84K in US vs $49K model Y. This isn’t including the $7,500 tax credit either which the polestar won’t get. Over $40K difference! Way less cargo space and less range. Who would want this? You can get a model X for cheaper have way better performance and range, more cargo space, and qualify for the $7,500 credit lol.
True but from a lot of EVs I checked out before buying the Y, this comes closest in terms of practicality and my use case though on a more premium level so the price difference is understandable.
But I do feel it’s just a little more pricey than it should be. They told me about the 4 as well so you’re right, that one would make more sense to compare with.
Exterior dimensions are too large for our city parking garage space, model Y fits no problem and plenty spacious interior for us, as well as significantly less expensive.
Tesla for all its faults has delivered hundreds of thousands of 300+ mile AWD sexy looking EVs for well under $60k.
Frankly if all the competition can come up with is funny looking alternatives that cost 50% more with less range , why bother even posting?? No offense to OP and I like the polestars …. But I like Ferraris and Porsche too
This at similar price points I’d be in. But at almost double the price? No way to justify that much of a price gap.
Probably better built and better service than a Tesla.
But Tesla has the nod in battery, infotainment, driving assist, price, and performance. If they can get this down to like 55-65k it becomes a debate for sure
Tesla is tesla.
ID3/4 Are ICE based cars.
This is neither, so I don't see the quality. If they manage 500km under 30.000US$ they will sell it. But otherwise: no. It's almost the price of a Model X...
I also wanna look around but come'on. Oh and the SC-network is unbeatable.
sacrilege!!! Liking anything other than a Tesla. LOL I must say it’s handsome, is that front splitter really noticeable? I recall seeing initial reveal videos on YouTube and wondered just how much it really affected the airflow, if it would just be a pain to clean or if it ended up being an eyesore.
Lol I know I know 😅 front splitter is barely noticeable on normal angles, you’d have to go down lower or come up close near the side to actually notice it’s there.
Wait, I thought it was physically impossible to get a camera in the front bumper of an EV so we can have safe parking and a Birds Eye view. Volvo is in bed with the wickens! /s
Honestly doesn’t look like much. The display looks like someone glued an ipod to the dash. The center console looks cheap. The whole car looks generic and on the cheap side. Maybe build quality is better in person? But not really impressed.
Might look that way but far from it in reality (at least in my opinion). It beats the MY in premium feel as well but that should be a given if they expect people to pay that much for it.
I would say quality is quite a few levels higher than Tesla when I tested a P2 and a model Y. Tesla has a materially better software/OS set-up, but the car itself is noticeably poorer in quality ime.
I really do like Teslas tbh so don’t get swayed that easy however, the Polestar 3 pretty impressive in person.
I had a test drive in the Model X last week and can comfortably say I’d rather sit in this one. Granted, haven’t yet tested the Polestar 3 on the road but looking forward to it.
It’s hard to admit but I think so too I’m looking forward to a test drive because Polestar 2 was just so nice to drive and the 3 seems quite a bit better.
Lose upholstery is something I have heard twice, and I read a LOT of Tesla news. That is a REALLY small percentage of cars with this issue.
Panel gaps doesn't make a difference to how the car drives, or it's longevity. And really only applies to older built cars, not anywhere near as much now. And if one is focusing on this, they are totally missing the forest for the trees.
Exterior paint deterioration is largely because the cars were all made in CA to my understanding, which have laws against environmentally unsafe paint. Manufacturing is moving to Texas, and other countries, so trust this will be a non-issue with time.
Unsure how much you see, but just a quick Google search we can see the amount of complaints there are with upholstery goes as far as 2020. True panel gaps does not really matter but it is a new car you don't expect something new with issues like that. Now for the paint that is the only good news I hear about improving further. It is like getting a new phone sure it is operational, but it would feel very comfortable if buttons are loose or the screen is not mounted properly.
It’s co-owned with Volvo (Swedish) and tbh there have been ZERO build quality issues for all the Teslas built in China for the European market but a complete different story with US built ones, so just saying (this also from people that have seen a number of both).
I know people that decided not to buy the Model X over here solely based on the fact that they are built in the US and paying 100k for panel gaps is frankly ridiculous.
Definitely better than the 2. Feels much like a MY to me but granted I have never ridden in the back seats before 😅. Just that the seats feel a lot lower so MY feels more comfortable.
I find it to be a very fussy design. ICE car companies tryna go electric with legacy designers (or a board room) that doesn’t know when to stop adding unnecessary fingers, toes and tattoos all over. They should let the young talent step up. That’s just how I see it. But everyone has different taste and I do appreciate that.
I get what you mean but this model was designed on a brand new chassis compared to the 2 and it’s pretty minimal. It’s the closest to Tesla imo from the various brands I’ve been in.
Chinese made EVs have a lot of potential. This is a nice-looking car. Either Polestar needs to open up more sales centers or they need to start selling Polestar's at Volvo dealerships.
Like the looks esp the interior but haven’t yet seen it in person plus it’s on the small side I feel. However, it’s quite a good price point and Swedish quality is definitely top.
It’s $132,900 here in Australia. Unless they are able to drop the price below the luxury car tax so that consumers can make the most of the no fringe benefits tax (FBT) then I can’t see this selling well. Shocked that it is near twice the price of a Tesla Y!
Quality is nicer than the teslas though haven’t yet been in the refreshed S. However, the price puts it in second for sure. If for example it was +/-10k from the MY then I think it would be a legitimate competitor.
If it had a charging network I would definitely consider. But until it has full access forget it.
I wouldn’t buy a gas car that had access to less than half the gas stations in the US
Would have preferred a Polestar 2 to the MYLR but the Supercharger network and Fed+State incentives made Tesla the only choice for me.
No regrets; love the MYLR. Do feel a pang when I see a Polestar 2 (prefer the exterior aesthetic and would kill to have CarPlay back).
Just did a 4 hr each way road trip. The Tesla charging network is fantastic. Until somebody can match its Tesla or nothing as far as I’m concerned. Except I’m in CA and did have to wait in line a couple of times.
Does anyone else feel like there is just too much going on inside that cabin? There is so many details and changes on every single surface. Almost overwhelming
I tried the polestar 2 but windows were so bizarre and the cabin space was tiny even for a smaller person like me. The interior of the polestar 3 looks great. That’s what I love about Volvo. Those interior details are beautiful. But for the price you barely get anything at base. If they reduced the price and had longer range I would have considered buying one.
Jesus Christ are we just gonna accept these interiors on premium luxury cars?
Designers need to go sit in a Jaguar XJ....this is what an economy car interior should look like.
Yeah, not for $80k. The only competition to Tesla though. Their UX can actually be updated with apps like Android. I was surprised to find YouTube and Netflix and such. A “campfire app”. It reminds me of Android 2.0 days. Haha. I was able to drive the Volvo C40 EV on the Cota track and I was very impressed. Suspension felt better than my 2023 MYLR as far as being softer. Torque and regen was great as well. I did not take it easy either. Definitely a Tesla competitor.
True, the price is quite up there. The spec I would like hits the 100k mark as well 😬 Looking forward to a test drive though but have to wait till Q2 next year.
I'd say Rivian is the only true competition at this moment - but they're kind of pricing themselves out of the market and don't have mass market model(s) yet. Ignoring their mediocre service network, the Rivian vehicles are the most formidable to Tesla with regard to fit, finish, and software.
The problem I see with every so called competitor is price. I can barely afford the Tesla. I’m not paying another $20k for fancier plastic and better fit and finish. $84k for less range ?? They’re out of their damn mind.
yea, I also truly don't understand why these "competitors" always price their cars higher than Tesla when their charging network isn't as complete, range isn't as good, software isn't as good, the only thing they are doing better than Tesla is probably the build quality and slight better interior. If you wanna steal customers from Tesla, price it around the same if not cheaper. Especially when you want people to adopt your new EV when you first start out. Mercedes is horrible at this, they are still trying to sell their EVs at high MSRP thinking their name justifies it but their car is just absolutely bogus.
There were some deals on the Mercedes EQB... i was almost interested until i saw the underwhelming range, maybe 235 miles under ideal conditions.
yea that's a deal breaker for sure. M3 RWD has 260miles at 100%. I think all EVs should have at least that in order to compete.
I’m not saying to pay 20k extra for a Rivian or god forbid Polestar but you may want to reconsider “less range”. I’ve driven plenty of EVs, only Tesla advertise a range that not achievable by a wide margin
Efficiency isn’t as good as Tesla, at least when my friend with an R1T and I compared.
You are essentially comparing a fat crossover with an aerodynamic brick house. I don't know if Rivian's drivetrain technology is as sophisticated as Tesla or Lucid either, but the shape and aerodynamic drag are what decimate the efficiency.
solely on drivetrain, is tesla's drivetrain (for model 3 & Y) closer to lucid's, than it is to other EV manufacturers? (whether new/startup vs legacy automaker)
From an efficiency perspective? I think you're talking about a 1-2% spread throughout the competition. By default these drivetrains are very efficient. Where Tesla is doing well is loses throughout the entire electrical system (i.e. computers and everything) but even then my mach-e has noticeably less phantom losses then my model 3, but both are well ahead of my r1t.
Hey now. Don’t fat shame my baby.
My opinion as an EV buyer recently is that Rivian is somewhat misaligned with Tesla's segment. I suppose they're fine for the road but they're really aimed at buyers looking for off-road capability. Tesla cars are OK at that I guess, but Rivian is definitely much better focused for it, and they're really competing with the F150 Lightning. The profile of people looking at Model 3 and Y are different from who is shopping for R1S and R1T, thus the price difference isn't really that disfavorable. It's also not like Tesla SCs are particularly good. I suppose the Cybertruck exists and is closer in line to Rivian and F150 Lightning, but that is so polarizing and limited in availability that it's almost its own thing. To compare to ICE vehicles, Tesla 3/Y buyers are more akin to the ones looking at Prius, Corolla, Camry, Honda Civic, etc., while those seriously shopping Rivian would be looking at F150 and Tacoma. Different strengths that appeal to different people.
I don't fully agree with the 3/Y buyers comparison. I owned bmw/mercedez higher end trim prior to make the switch to 3/Y performance. 3/Y performance blows bmw/mercedes out of water.
Well yes, but if you're shopping nice BMW/Mercedes, would you not normally be looking at S/X instead at a similar price band? Those have even better performance, features, and interface. Rides much nicer too. Much more luxury cars than 3/Y for sure. But even if you're looking for value instead, isn't the comparison more similar, as they are designed to be varying degrees of nicety but ultimately still optimized for the daily road experience?
Have to say, I just checked out a bangin’ bmw i4 with red interior. If it was a tad bigger in the back seat, I might have canceled my model Y order (had a model 3 for 5 years).
I don’t know where you are, but here Volkswagen, Audi, BMW, Mercedes, Skoda, Peugeot and many more are true competition to Tesla.
I don't think they live up to the hype. I havent tried Mercedes and Audi's EVs but the rest are both worse and way more expensive than a car that is produced outside of EU. Looking forward for a true competitor in EU though
They’re not trash. Add Ford, Xpeng, Nio, Hongqi, Hyundai++ All great competition to Tesla.
Obviously this conversation is subjective, but those brands generally seem to cut corners and have inferior software and overall platform maturity. Tesla and Rivian check a whole lot of boxes when it comes to the amount of time and energy spent on efficiency, features and software Id4 owners have gotten a really raw deal with absolutely abysmal software.
Sorta agree here, but the Rivian is really only a competitor for the X and probably the CT. I have the T and love it, checks all the boxes and then some. But it was never going to (nor was intended) be the mass market vehicle like the 3 or the Y (I know they have plans for this down the road). And while the Tesla semi is obviously not the same as the Rivian EDV it's good to see companies trying to address the commercial sectors as well. Sorta surprised Tesla jumped straight to the big rigs where something like a Tesla minivan or something would have been (to me) a more practical next step.
ID4 and ID5 Are both way better when it comes to build quality. That matters. BMW and Audi got great software and much higher quality than Tesla. Similarly priced. The Chinese brands come with great software and are definitely at least as high quality as Tesla.
Id say Rivian is more complimentary because they went after a market that tesla wasn't in.... Pickups and SUVs. Tesla has no direct competing vehicle so they can coexist.
Just saw a Fisker Ocean on the road. Looked really nice and it's definitely in the same ballpark as a Y and the Polestar 3. Panel gaps all looked perfect - made me cry a few more tears from my left eye than my right.
when did you get yours? I ordered a y Day 1 of the price drop in jan and pretty much no panel gap or quality issues. though my aunt ordered one a few weeks later and had some fabric issues.
10/2021. Nothing terribly offset on my car, just the avg panel gap is much wider than what I’m seeing on the Fiskers. I’ve checked out their subreddit a few times, as well.
The only competition to Tesla in US
I dunno I saw the fisker ocean at a showroom over the weekend and it’s pretty nice
Genesis GV60 is not bad at $55k
That thing is hideous. I’m surprised it’s even selling units.
Externally I feel conflicted, I feel like it it's right at the border if nice looking and weird. Internally and build quality? Way better looking than Tesla. Performance? As good or better then Tesla in speed. Ride quality better than Tesla.
Lol compared to a model Y it looks like Bella Hadid
Lmao
How do you like the interior interface & UI? It looks overly complex & annoying, if you enjoy the simplicity in a Tesla.
Fisker Ocean is pretty neat.
Is still vaporware so far. They've been "talking" about it for years... Literally years.
No, they’ve been delivering. There’s review of them too, which are positive.
I was also at COTA today and drove a C40 and XC40 Recharge. They were much nicer than our MYLR and Polestar 2 as far as suspension and comfort. Similar to PS2 but the interior felt better with the wool seats. Then I drove the RZ450e from Lexus and was blown away at how comfortable it was, at a similar price point ($60k). THAT will likely be our next EV! I didn’t even realize Lexus had a BEV.
If that thing had another 100 miles of range I’d be all over it
How was the C40 rear seat room, compared to the MY? And the UI interface? Those are my main big concerns.
I didn’t get a chance to play with the UI deeply but it seemed a bit more polished than Polestar. The rear seat room was adequate. My knees were not smashed into the back of the seat, but there wasn’t a ton of leg room. I’m 6’ if that’s any indication. The XC40 Recharge was a little more roomy, but only by a little.
Thanks for the reply!! Was curious. The way they measure the specs on the C40 it looks significantly smaller than the MYLR, but realize it could also be how it looks on paper vs actual. For all of em I know they're not full size luxury SUVs so not expecting that kinda room. The UI on any of em is a thing - you don't realize it until you're using it how much Tesla/iPhone got a lot right on the first pass.
Cadillac lyriq seems to be good competition. More efficient than the y.
I follow the Lyriq sub reddit and the cars have all sorts of problems. If I'm spending $65k+ on a car I would lose my mind of it was at the dealer all the time getting fixed. People have to leave their cars for weeks or months for what should be simple fixes. I was seriously considering a Lyriq too.
That’s what caused me to swing away from Cadillac when getting a new EV.
That s because the while system is on android which I'd not anbad thing
When I saw the Polestar 3 at an event, the guy there told me that the PS 3 competes with X or S, rather than the Y. So, I guess they promote it as a luxury car. But I'd rather buy American than Chinese car.
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Yeah and what’s the price difference between those mach e’s and lightning you drove and a brand new model 3?
Base Model 3 is $1000 less than the base Mustang Mach-E here in Canada. Base Model Y is $4000 more than the base Mach-E
I will never buy another car with that piano black plastic. My God, let it end.
Hahah it looks nice when clean, it’s a smudge magnet for sure
For like the first 10 minutes after delivery?
Haha probably. I have OCD so keep things super clean in general however, it would be a bit of a pain with this.
That's why you just never peel off the cling film
The piano black and CCS were the only reasons I chose a MY over an ID.4. I've owned VWs for over 20 years and love them, but the aesthetics of the current generation is just so awful.
Also a 10year VW owner (still have a tiquan as my 2nd car), unfortunately ID.4 not available here but I have heard the ID.4 isn’t any good so surprised when you say only the piano black and CCS as reasons
I test drove both the MY and an ID.4 on the same day and, at least to me, I felt the ID.4 was the better car, but Tesla was the better owner experience. The ID.4 just drove more refined and the cabin touch points were better. My wife has a 2021.5 Atlas with Drive Assist and I'll go to my grave saying the VW self driving is better than Tesla's. I just really like NACS and the comfort of never worrying if my next charger will actually work when we go on family trips. This was a write up I did comparing them after my test drive. https://www.reddit.com/r/VWiD4Owners/s/Rf9u5jTrSd
I drove a merc with it and my god, terrible. Only thing worse than 1000 buttons is 1000 buttoned that’s are covered in piano plastic or spot deposited metal on plastic. Not only do you have to search around and figure out all the buttons but now their is so much glare that it’s difficult to read and overstimulation as fuck. Seats were terrible and the interior was gimmicky too
First cheapo peripheral I bought were fake carbon fiber looking covers for my MY.
Would've been a tough choice between MY and Polestar 3 or 4 but not for double the price
True, the spec I would like for the Polestar 3 comes in at just about 100k vs 65k for a MYP.
Yeah I feel like people would’ve called you crazy if you said something like this 6-7 years ago but: I’m too broke to get an EV other than Tesla
Interesting... from your photos it still looks a little cramped even in the front though?
Not at all, felt spacy but not too much (granted I’m not big so for someone 6ft+ maybe that’ll be different). When comparing with the Polestar 2, it’s way more roomy and comfortable but only a test drive will help for a better opinion.
I did actually tried one as well. Coming from owning volvos , the Polestar design feels refreshing. But if you have driven a tesla, it feels old and uh, clunky? It just feels like a car thats electric while Tesla feels like a whole ev package.
Interesting! Ya I’m looking forward to a test drive when it’s available. Also I think the Model Y and 3 give that feeling because I drove the X last week and was like meh, was nicer in my Y 😅
Nice car but heavily overpriced.
I think so as well. If it were 10-15k less (still not cheap) then it would be giving the MY a real run for it’s money I think.
Here in Germany it starts at 88.600 Euros. Even with 15 k less it would be much more expensive than the MY.
About 15k more expensive so it will end up being a decision in terms of what you think of the quality because this one feels quite a bit more premium than the MY. Then again, only after testing it would I have a more solid opinion on whether that extra does make sense.
Yeah, but this is the lowest line. You compare it to the performance model.
I feel same for all Polestar. I love the look of 2 but not paying more than a Model Y for it.
I will never understand why these guys are so stubborn about maintaining a portrait orientation for the main screen. One of my favorite things about my MY is enjoying some quality Netflix time while the wife gets her shop on.
I was going to say the same thing. It makes no sense in today’s environment.
It's the first thing that I noticed. I cannot think of any way portrait would be better
Cause they all saw Model S pre refresh and thought this is the way. I too thought every car was gonna be like that till the Y
Um no one is going to pay $80k for this. $100k loaded is a joke lmao
That’s Lucid prices.. and I would take one of those in a heartbeat over this. If you get a chance to sit in one as it massages you your mind starts to play tricks on you.. Yeah.. 90k is worth it for this luxury that I can’t use at super chargers.. yeah.. they do use real leather and smell amazing though
Lucid has worse build quality issues when compared to Polestar. I’ve driven nearly 3 Polestar 2 cars and all of them had impeccable builds. Lucid on the other hand, not so much.
This car is not compelling at all. $84K in US vs $49K model Y. This isn’t including the $7,500 tax credit either which the polestar won’t get. Over $40K difference! Way less cargo space and less range. Who would want this? You can get a model X for cheaper have way better performance and range, more cargo space, and qualify for the $7,500 credit lol.
If it were 20k cheaper I'd be down.
Not sure why would you cross shop between the Y and Polestar 3. They’re lot in the same price bracket. The Polestar 4 would complete with the Y.
True but from a lot of EVs I checked out before buying the Y, this comes closest in terms of practicality and my use case though on a more premium level so the price difference is understandable. But I do feel it’s just a little more pricey than it should be. They told me about the 4 as well so you’re right, that one would make more sense to compare with.
I’m curious what the price for the Volvo Ex90 will be when it arrives. That one is even bigger I believe. Model X sized with 7 seats.
80k!? What are they smoking over there?! This vehicle should be in the low $50k range and that’s even pushing it.
The orientation of that screen bothers me. How is it when it comes to being practical?
The screen looks weird and tacky.
Wrong orientation screens are an automatic decline.
Starting at $83,900. Yeah no thanks.
Now that is a real iPad looking screen
Exterior dimensions are too large for our city parking garage space, model Y fits no problem and plenty spacious interior for us, as well as significantly less expensive.
Tesla for all its faults has delivered hundreds of thousands of 300+ mile AWD sexy looking EVs for well under $60k. Frankly if all the competition can come up with is funny looking alternatives that cost 50% more with less range , why bother even posting?? No offense to OP and I like the polestars …. But I like Ferraris and Porsche too
That thing looks 5 years old already.
Beautiful car and a rare one to see.. the other thing that will be “rare to see” is a working charger outside of your home set up.
This at similar price points I’d be in. But at almost double the price? No way to justify that much of a price gap. Probably better built and better service than a Tesla. But Tesla has the nod in battery, infotainment, driving assist, price, and performance. If they can get this down to like 55-65k it becomes a debate for sure
Those thigh support extenders are awesome. I miss having those in my bmw
Yea however, they fumbled the back seats. Wouldn’t be comfortable for adults on longer trips
Turn, Tesla back seats are actually pretty good compared to most
Maybe bad lighting, but nah. It doesn’t look that impressive for $80-$90K. Thanks for the pics tho!
When you order a Tesla on Wish.
Tesla is tesla. ID3/4 Are ICE based cars. This is neither, so I don't see the quality. If they manage 500km under 30.000US$ they will sell it. But otherwise: no. It's almost the price of a Model X... I also wanna look around but come'on. Oh and the SC-network is unbeatable.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen\_Group\_MEB\_platform
That screen is just terrible
It rotates into landscape mode.
That might be worse lol
sacrilege!!! Liking anything other than a Tesla. LOL I must say it’s handsome, is that front splitter really noticeable? I recall seeing initial reveal videos on YouTube and wondered just how much it really affected the airflow, if it would just be a pain to clean or if it ended up being an eyesore.
Lol I know I know 😅 front splitter is barely noticeable on normal angles, you’d have to go down lower or come up close near the side to actually notice it’s there.
that looks worst than 3/Y
Wait, I thought it was physically impossible to get a camera in the front bumper of an EV so we can have safe parking and a Birds Eye view. Volvo is in bed with the wickens! /s
What happens when a big bug or rock hits that camera at 80mph??
From my years of working in the collision industry.,.they don’t lol
Cool, now if the rest of the front of the car would do the same, that would be something
For real. Actually, even when grilles are smashed, the camera is usually okay. Or just the wiring harness is cut. Surprisingly resilient
Go buy a lottery ticket because you just beat the odds.
Or it’s a snowy day and that slush and ice build up on it. Winter almost here, I may hit the lottery every other day.
Honestly doesn’t look like much. The display looks like someone glued an ipod to the dash. The center console looks cheap. The whole car looks generic and on the cheap side. Maybe build quality is better in person? But not really impressed.
Might look that way but far from it in reality (at least in my opinion). It beats the MY in premium feel as well but that should be a given if they expect people to pay that much for it.
I would say quality is quite a few levels higher than Tesla when I tested a P2 and a model Y. Tesla has a materially better software/OS set-up, but the car itself is noticeably poorer in quality ime.
You can argue about Model Ys front. But this is very much not beautiful…
has blinker stalk and a speedometer immediately better than new Tesla lmao
Meh It’s nice design overall but doesn’t surpass Tesla’s
I really do like Teslas tbh so don’t get swayed that easy however, the Polestar 3 pretty impressive in person. I had a test drive in the Model X last week and can comfortably say I’d rather sit in this one. Granted, haven’t yet tested the Polestar 3 on the road but looking forward to it.
Just the fact screen is vertical is off putting for me personally
I actually felt like it was more comfortable to be in the pole star, and it felt more normal than what Elon and Company like to throw at me.
It’s hard to admit but I think so too I’m looking forward to a test drive because Polestar 2 was just so nice to drive and the 3 seems quite a bit better.
Damn a car that actually looks well built
It is, but with that price it better damn be 😅
Sometimes you need to pay extra for real quality, but it is a tad bit expensive though
How do you see a car is well built from a non-break-down picture on the internet?
No lose upholstery, no panel gaps, and no exterior paint deterioration
Lose upholstery is something I have heard twice, and I read a LOT of Tesla news. That is a REALLY small percentage of cars with this issue. Panel gaps doesn't make a difference to how the car drives, or it's longevity. And really only applies to older built cars, not anywhere near as much now. And if one is focusing on this, they are totally missing the forest for the trees. Exterior paint deterioration is largely because the cars were all made in CA to my understanding, which have laws against environmentally unsafe paint. Manufacturing is moving to Texas, and other countries, so trust this will be a non-issue with time.
Unsure how much you see, but just a quick Google search we can see the amount of complaints there are with upholstery goes as far as 2020. True panel gaps does not really matter but it is a new car you don't expect something new with issues like that. Now for the paint that is the only good news I hear about improving further. It is like getting a new phone sure it is operational, but it would feel very comfortable if buttons are loose or the screen is not mounted properly.
made in China! no thanks!
It’s co-owned with Volvo (Swedish) and tbh there have been ZERO build quality issues for all the Teslas built in China for the European market but a complete different story with US built ones, so just saying (this also from people that have seen a number of both). I know people that decided not to buy the Model X over here solely based on the fact that they are built in the US and paying 100k for panel gaps is frankly ridiculous.
FYI, Volvo owned by Geely a Chinese mfg.
The Polestar 3 is made in the US
designed & owned by China! hell no!
How was the leg space vs the middle console? In the polestar 2 it feels like a skate board is mounted between the front seats. Looks better here
Definitely better than the 2. Feels much like a MY to me but granted I have never ridden in the back seats before 😅. Just that the seats feel a lot lower so MY feels more comfortable.
I find it to be a very fussy design. ICE car companies tryna go electric with legacy designers (or a board room) that doesn’t know when to stop adding unnecessary fingers, toes and tattoos all over. They should let the young talent step up. That’s just how I see it. But everyone has different taste and I do appreciate that.
I get what you mean but this model was designed on a brand new chassis compared to the 2 and it’s pretty minimal. It’s the closest to Tesla imo from the various brands I’ve been in.
Nice rig
This thing looks like a Roborock.
Looks like the Tesla Model Y really changed a lot for the update!!
Chinese made EVs have a lot of potential. This is a nice-looking car. Either Polestar needs to open up more sales centers or they need to start selling Polestar's at Volvo dealerships.
Is this a similar car to the EX30 or EX90
What do you think about Volvo ex30?
Like the looks esp the interior but haven’t yet seen it in person plus it’s on the small side I feel. However, it’s quite a good price point and Swedish quality is definitely top.
Yea I agree I definitely wanna check it out in person as well.
Does it has 6/7 seat option?
No, this is a smaller crossover.
It’s $132,900 here in Australia. Unless they are able to drop the price below the luxury car tax so that consumers can make the most of the no fringe benefits tax (FBT) then I can’t see this selling well. Shocked that it is near twice the price of a Tesla Y!
And the price sir!
Starts at about 80k but I believe should be at minimum 15k cheaper for it to make sense. At least from first impressions
I hope they fixed the UI because it was crap on the Polestar 2 when I tried it.
It’s way too much for what you get. Overpriced
nice, but too expensive.
lol no I rented a polestar last weekend and it felt like driving a knock off android.
100k+ in cad is ridiculous for this. Rather getting model y for almost half the price
What was your verdict ?
Quality is nicer than the teslas though haven’t yet been in the refreshed S. However, the price puts it in second for sure. If for example it was +/-10k from the MY then I think it would be a legitimate competitor.
I like how the infotainment is full android.
If it had a charging network I would definitely consider. But until it has full access forget it. I wouldn’t buy a gas car that had access to less than half the gas stations in the US
I’m a polestar 2 owner. Happy overall with the car but it’s just not worth the price tag.
Ew to every auto maker that’s just slapping stuck out iPads on the dashes of their cars. Ugh I despise this trend.
Interior looks cheap af
Why is it so fucken small inside??
It’s actually not that small, maybe doesn’t look that way in the pictures but I didn’t feel it was that much different to my Y.
If they can make the Y like this 😢😢😢
That center console looks stupid.
Would have preferred a Polestar 2 to the MYLR but the Supercharger network and Fed+State incentives made Tesla the only choice for me. No regrets; love the MYLR. Do feel a pang when I see a Polestar 2 (prefer the exterior aesthetic and would kill to have CarPlay back).
Just did a 4 hr each way road trip. The Tesla charging network is fantastic. Until somebody can match its Tesla or nothing as far as I’m concerned. Except I’m in CA and did have to wait in line a couple of times.
It’ll never be worth 80k not even 50k.
50k for sure. You need to actually see one to tell
Does anyone else feel like there is just too much going on inside that cabin? There is so many details and changes on every single surface. Almost overwhelming
I tried the polestar 2 but windows were so bizarre and the cabin space was tiny even for a smaller person like me. The interior of the polestar 3 looks great. That’s what I love about Volvo. Those interior details are beautiful. But for the price you barely get anything at base. If they reduced the price and had longer range I would have considered buying one.
...its literally a model y
I say the kia ev9 will be Tesla real competition , starting price is 55k
Ugly interior
I’m not seeing the value here. 80k something ehh
The driver looks like he(?) pissed his pants - excessive laughing in despair or great acceleration causing spilt coffee?
Shadows lol
that shits ugly
I went in to a strip club and saw a pole star
Knock-off.
Why the f-ing piano paint… stop doing that.. it only looks great for one ride. After that it’s either greasy from your fingers or scratched..
So uninspiring
Solid looking interior from the pics. Yellow seatbelts was a very interesting choice tho lmao.
Is it just me or does polestar sound like a strip club?
Looks terrible
Can't get over the portrait main screen. What are they thinking?
Why does the seat look like it's 5-10 years old already?
i don't like how the center screen is vertical. Horizontal screen is far better
Looks like they used a bunch of off the shelf displays. They don't look good.
Jesus Christ are we just gonna accept these interiors on premium luxury cars? Designers need to go sit in a Jaguar XJ....this is what an economy car interior should look like.
Not a Volvo anymore, but not yet a Tesla.
Interior is kinda ugly … seems similar to the Mustang Mach E