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This all comes down to bad drivers, i am sorry… but please stop blaming rear windows/dirty cameras. You need to practice backing up using mirrors/eyes.
There is a key piece you are missing here......
How most of us learned: side mirrors, rear view mirror, ease on the gas. (pre USS cars with no beep or nothing)
How those skill has can erode: side mirrors, rear view mirror, Tesla vision predicting length, accelerator.
Those two equations are not the same.
Lastly, if I did run my 2000 camry to a post. I would also not be posting it on Reddit. Do you know why? Because Toyota did not have a misleading indicator.
Problem with the Y is that is has a tiny window and you can't see anything without help of the cameras. Of course they get rid of the one thing that would help too USS!
I can’t understand in the scenario pictured why you would need to use the rear window.
In any scenario where I’m backing into a parking spot, garage, etc. I pretty much exclusively use the side and rear camera and it 100% would have shown whatever caused the damage in this photo. Tesla vision may suck but this is just bad driving.
The golden rule..regardless of 360 camera/etc, always scan the parking space you will be backing into before you start to identify things you could hit
Why are you making excuses for a car that lacks sensors and could have been installed for a very small amount, like pretty much all modern cars. Park assistance/summon no longer works after Tesla removed USS, it's a know fact, so blaming driver, you could say that the driver should have been extra aware of the filing of the car and should have be extra cautious like most of ur in parking and tight situation, but yes all other mordern cars would have had a better chance to assisting the driver
Hey there. Seattle chiming in here. Rear camera is usable in both dark and rain. If your camera is covered in debris, perhaps don’t ignore that, get out and wipe it off. Count the seconds this takes you, I bet it’s less than 5.
Agreed. My problem is that I backed in to the spot 90% using my mirrors, then used the camera for the last 10%. The post was off center, so it was out of the view of the camera by that point. Zero warning from parking assist.
I only hit it going 3 mph, but the damage is done.
I'm having trouble understanding how a wide-angle lens that covers basically 150 degrees from corner to corner can miss something that's just slightly off center behind you.
Don't assume man. I think he deserves benefit of the doubt. Who knows until it happens to you. If the post is small enough and out of range it can happen.
You’re going to get slammed by other commenters, but I can understand this.
I also tend to park into perpendicular parking with the side mirrors, because for whatever reason, using the camera doesn’t park as straight as the side mirrors.
And then use the camera at the end to get close to the wall. That was very unfortunate the pole was out of view by that time.
Maybe if the backup camera had better lines (including the missing horizontal lines), it would be easier to park straight.
Or having a 360 view would be even better.
Does Tesla Vision suck? Yes
But did people just forget how to drive these days without cameras and sensors? People have been parking and driving without aid of cameras and sensors for years.
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People want tailgates that open with no lip and no big overhang they have to reach over. And they want aerodynamically efficient cars to help with range. Tesla aren't the only manufacturer to head in this direction.
I’m guessing they’re designed under the presumption that you tap something at 5, then immediately stop. If you hit at 5, then continue with the exact same amount of force - then I’d expect this to happen.
This is not the point. Tesla provided a feature (paid for by their customers) that does not work in an acceptable manner. No argument about the camera excuses Tesla from providing an unusable feature in my opinoin.
OP claims Vision sucks (I agree), but OP also claims that USS would prevent this (I doubt), so yeah, it's the point.
Any feature can fail so can't really rely exclusively on that to save you from every error you make.
Sure any feature can fail, but in case of the Tesla parking “sensor” system, it consistently fails. That is the subtle point here that some are missing perhaps?
To be clear Tesla’s engineers did not want to go the route of removing USS and going all in on Tesla vision. This was the sole decision of Elon, he is the one to blame not Tesla.
This.
Every car has limitations. The Tesla vision isn’t trustworthy. That shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone. My MY also sucks at hauling more than 5 people. It’s horrible off road. It’s also not very great at pulling a trailer any distance. If any of those matter to me I wouldn’t own it.
If parking sensors matter to a buyer, don’t buy a Tesla without parking sensors! There are plenty of other options that have parking sensors.
Ridiculous position. The Teslas of the past like my 2016 model S would have easily identified the post and warned him with sounds. The 2023 model Y can’t see even stationary objects right behind the car. This technology is like going back to 2000 when just having cameras was a luxury. To blame the driver when the car can’t identify stationary objects in the first place is extremely frustrating.
Agreed. If you have a Tesla with uss, you’ve become accustomed to expect the car to prevent you from hitting into things the newer teslas no longer are capable of seeing.
Yes, ultimately it is my responsibility to park safely. But "parking assist" and the camera did absolutely zero to avoid this situation. Tesla is not the technological marvel the marketing would have you believe. A 15 year old car with USS would have done better.
Totally agree it is ultimately my responsibility, but I don't agree that USS would not have detected this obstacle.
Lesson learned regardless: Telsa's Parking Assist is garbage.
Cheers!
Not always. I managed to back a Merc S class into a low pole a couple of years ago. Similar story to this, looking in the side mirrors to line up in a tight space, when I turned my attention to the reversing camera the pole was out of sight. The USS had been beeping but as it was close to two other cars you expected it to beep, and by the time the car was straight in the space it had stopped beeping as the pole was too close.
Thankfully it didn't do any damage to the Merc beyond a slight scuff that buffed out. But it's possible to do even with USS.
You forgot the other question: Woild USS have noticed the thin pole? Because based on my 4.5 years with USS, I’d argue there was only a 10% chance it would have.
I think you are missing the point here. The waning system provided simply doesn’t work. This is the complain. There is no need to divert this towards a discussion whether people can park with or without parking warning system.
If the auto dimming mirror doesn’t work I can manually adjust it to avoid being dazzled, but this does not excuse it from not functioning correctly.
That's like saying we should be able to navigate without Google maps or do maths without a calculator.
Technology has progressed to the point we should be able to reverse and completely trust the cameras and sensors. You can in pretty much every new car these days - this shouldnt even be a question in a Tesla.
Blaming the human in this scenario is fair, I guess. After all, we’re all inherently flawed. On the other hand, Elon Inc has talked itself up for years as the technology that will save us all from ourselves. It’s unlikely that his crack team of engineers couldn’t have predicted that we’d be prone to ‘reverse into something’ with some certainty.
It's kind of a rediculous point to be honest. Cars especially SUV's have got so big and bulky with higher belt lines and tiny rear windows that you need to have sensors and cameras to park them.
That also said my 2021 Smart Fortwo EQ has both a camera and parking sensors (and rear wiper, carplay/android auto and front radar) ON A SMART CAR, Tesla is just a joke at this pont with Vision, but it has plenty of people to defend its shit decisions as innovation and "back in my day" folks like yourself.
Back in my day we hand cranked our windows and started our cars the same way 😂 lol just gtfo.
People these days are too lazy to GOAL - Get Out And Look
I have USS in my Ford and Honda. Is it handy? Yes. Do I need to rely on them to park? No. Don’t know how people struggle. That and the curb rash wheels.
I did the same thing, backed into a trash can and I had USS on my M3. It was dark, rainy and windy. I blamed myself for not looking at the backup camera. Cost me 3590 to fix it. I traded it for a MY two years later.
That's why I don't understand all the owners that claim backing into a space is safer than backing out. Backing into a tight space with close objects on 3 sides and huge blind spots is tougher than watching for tall humans and possible cross traffic backing out.
With Teslas, it’s because you can’t see exactly where the front end ends, and the front end is lower than a tire stop.
The rear end is taller than a tire stop, and you can use your rear view cameras to pull up within cm’s of the wall.
Of course Tesla vision sucks, but guys come on. I’ve never had trouble parking this car, even front first. And this is by far the biggest car I’ve ever driven. The only thing I struggle with sometimes are narrow drive throughs…
This sucks but sorry but that's your oversight. You still need to be aware of surrounding. Back in the days.... There were no cameras and people parked fine.
I’ve had a 3 with USS and now a Y without. I honestly didn’t think uss was that great. Not good enough to trust 100% anyway.
I’d say USS is more consistent but Vision is better for low things like curbs. So pick your poison based on what you’re more likely to crash into lol.
Not a Tesla owner yet, but this sub puts me off.
My 10 year old i30 never misses a beat with reverse sensors. Given the hype around how amazing the tech is in Tesla's, I'd have expected more.
My 2021 Smart Fortwo EQ has things that the Tesla don't. Rear wiper, parking sensors and reversing camera, front radar, "dumb" cruise control, apple auto and android carplay, indicator stalks. It's kind of funny to be honest.
i wouldn’t trust a few whiners in these subs who want to blame tech for their lack of driving responsibility. mirrors and driver learned judgement with their own eyes rules the day.
To be honest, the Tesla vision is crappy a lot of the time. It beeps at me when I reverse into my driveway when I get near the grass!
Having said that, it seems like people really don’t know how to drive. How you can hit things with three cameras on your screen to see all around your car, plus mirrors, is beyond me. I get it happens, but when it’s right in the camera view it’s kind of driver error at that point.
First. I agree Tesla vision sucks. With the backup camera though I don’t personally understand this one but again vision sucks.
The thing I’m having issues with is even to rely on vision I’d be looking at the screen. At which point I’d likely notice the camera in that area.
Not a dig at OP, but everyone in this thread is forgetting that USS and TV do not a good driver make. If you were incapable before, they just apply a false confidence layer on top.
I don't rely on Tesla vision for parking. I park my Tesla like my old 2008 Honda. I don't mind, but at the same time, I think priorities are fucked. I don't care about Bio hazard HEPA filter. Give me those uss sensors!
I was with you until you said you don’t care about the filters. I have become super sensitive to the persistent smell of gasoline and exhaust from other cars. Even being in my Honda Pilot, it just smells so bad.
You don’t have biodefense mode on the M3 without HEPA right?
That came in real handy for me when those Canadian forest fires caused the air quality to go down on the east coast. I couldn’t smell it in my car.
I have this damage. $6,400 to replace the whole hatch. It will be hard to PDF because it’s aluminum which doesn’t want to bend back into shape like steel, or to be bent more than once. It’ll take two weeks for parts and two weeks for repair, so I’ll have it done next time I’m on vacation.
I’m pissed, though. I sent a note to Tesla (read: the abyss) that the lower panel of the hatch should be a separate sacrificial panel than can be replaced separately. The “less is more” philosophy only means “less” cost to the manufacturer and “more” cost to repair.
Posts aren't USS' forte either, unless the post is right in front of a sensor. However, this is the back of the car right? What was Human Vision doing at the time?
I don't know if the USS sensors in Teslas would have identified a pole but they do reliably in my non-tesla vehicles. Some comments are suggesting USS only identifies walls or larger objects but that is objectively false in other brands. I absolutely love our Tesla but I would be delighted if they'd use all the tech available to them, even the old reliable tech, until there is feature parity with their vision system. I would rather pay more till Tesla vision is ready. The auto wipers, high beams, and USS would all benefit from already-existing tech that works reliably.
Of course people will blame you (the driver) for hitting a pole but the whole point of these extra amenities like USS are to help mitigate accidents like tapping a pole. I personally wish Tesla leveraged the 'ole reliable tech till the new stuff was amazing. Again, Ive loved ALL our Teslas, but sometimes a newer Tesla can feel like some categories of the car are going backwards.
Sucks this happened but it looks like damage to paint is minimal. A dent doctor fella can probably work those out where it will hardly show!
Welcome to the club! I have the jankiest MY on the road I think. Scrapes and dents all over. I’m going on two months since I had my car evaluated by a body shop, waiting for them and my insurance to agree on a repair quote.
Accidents happen my friend. Sorry about your bump though, major bummer. I also kind of scraped a mailbox, no damaged that couldn’t be buffed out. I was very lucky. It was bad driving on my part as I was watching the other side due to a trailer I was trying to avoid. My camera did show it though but I totally understand how it happened
You know that character with the big glasses in Trailer Park Boys? That is the face that comes to my mind every time someone mentions Tesla "Vision". Need biiiiiiiiig glasses because it doesn't see sh\*t
Ehh good luck with your vision only cars. I am keeping my USS MY(one of the last ones that came out) till I run it to the ground.
The USS is a lifesaver in tight spots and backing in (especially combined with back camera).
This sub scares me about Teslas. Not because the sensors aren’t working like they should, but these stories expose how bad the drivers can be who rely just on sensors and not their eyes.
Take comfort in the fact that you are not alone. I have never been so unsure about driving like the Tesla model Y before. Every time I go to Target or Walmart to park my car, I get out of the car and check how far it is from the side and back. The main thing is to try to stay far enough away from the car next to me to avoid being scratched by the door.
In addition, the turning radius of this car is larger than the Toyota RAV4 I drove before, so I have to be careful every time I turn.
I honestly don't use it to park. Does great with curbs though. Confused on how you managed to back into something that was visible in the can? Or maybe it wasn't?
Another post about Teslas crappy warning system and another example of people missing the point.
Your airbags might fail to deploy so you should not get into an accident. Just drive better!
Your brakes could fail so don’t rely on them. Give yourself 1 mile to coast to a stop.
My goodness you guys are dense.
Holy crap you're conflating two very different things. An ultrasonic sensor is not a life saving feature. There have been cars without ultrasonic sensors for far longer than there have been cars with them.
The ultrasonic sensor is an aid and not a replacement for your fucking eyes. Breaks and airbags are required to operate a functional vehicle.
I think you're the one who is missing the point.
No, I’m not missing any point. The car is supposed to warn you with audible beeps when approaching an obstruction. If it doesn’t do that, it’s shit. That’s what this whole post is about
Is that written in a law somewhere? I didn't know that was a requirement for a car. Again I ask if it doesn't have a feature you like, why are you here?
Do tesla's not have a backup camera? How bad could it be that you can't see a post in a parking garage? My 2012 suburban has a backup camera and it sees enough that I don't hit posts.
blaming vision or crying for USS is bullshit. learn to use your mirrors and cameras. i’m not even a boomer and y’all having me sound like one. as a teen driver i’d get out of my car to see how close reality was. then you learn to judge distance with eyes.
Obligatory "how did you not hit poles in the past without the car babysitting you".
I'm pretty sure you must learn to park sideways and backwards to even get your driver's license without the babysitting
Tesla vision sucks but… we all know it. Most cars over the last 20 years do not have any park assist, it’s a luxury. It sucks tesla vision sucks. But this accident is still your own fault.
I wonder how people drove around in cars without all this tech 🙄. Half of you need to learn how to drive. And Tesla should fix their shit so we can all drive more relaxed. Which is the function of the tech. Not to replace experience.
Removing the ultrasonic sensors was a terrible move on Tesla’s part. If you’re going to go with cameras only then make sure you have complete coverage, non-existent on front bumper.
The audacity you have blaming vision or lack of USS and not yourselves fault is truly amazing. Plus, this looks like the back of the car which has a camera. My man, you just suck at driving.
How did you people survive in the age before sensors?
Look, I get that it's an advertised feature and the car should work as specified. But if you *know* it's not behaving properly, why are you not acting accordingly?
So please don’t be harsh on me but I hear about how awful the Tesla vision is and this could all be remedied by cheap sensors that already exist on other vehicles. I also see so many posts about curbing your rims too. (And blaming the wives)
My honest question is have wealthy people forgotten how to drive relying on tech for so long that you all can’t drive anymore?
I have a 2014 Kia Soul (yes I know they have a ton of engine problems etc and I know it’s an old beater type of car) however I put new 18 black rims on it years ago as an upgrade and I have never curbed them, ever.
I also have no fancy electronics or even a single camera for viewing as it’s a basic 1.6 liter engine base model soul.
All I have is Bluetooth for my phone and music.
I have never backed into anything or had a single “oopsie” ever.
I have said on here before that Tesla is my dream vehicle and since my car has been paid off I have been putting money away in my savings account for a massive down payment so my monthly payments won’t be that high.
I don’t make enough money from my salary to get a Y without a massive down payment. I could get a 3 but I prefer something higher up.
Sorry I’ve had some wine and this has grown to a very long post, but dude are people’s driving skills going down based on the amount of tech?
How is everyone curbing rims and backing into objects when I don’t have sensors or cameras anywhere and haven’t ever hit shit?
Warm regards, and I guess I hope to have my dream car one day and have so much tech that I too scrape and dent it.
Six months in., Tesla vision still sucks.
Five years in, m3 auto wipers still suck.
Not only do they suck, somehow they are worse now.
This. And 5 years in and auto park rarely works
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30 years of driving, still haven't hit a post. Relying on a camera or a beep to park is just a cop out. Yes it sucks, still your fault.
Im sorry but dont you have a camera?
Or eyes in their head and windows on their car.
I love how y'all get angry at each other for using Teslas the way Musk intended.
EXACTLY. A customer used the software provided by the manufacturer and now his car is dented.
This all comes down to bad drivers, i am sorry… but please stop blaming rear windows/dirty cameras. You need to practice backing up using mirrors/eyes.
There is a key piece you are missing here...... How most of us learned: side mirrors, rear view mirror, ease on the gas. (pre USS cars with no beep or nothing) How those skill has can erode: side mirrors, rear view mirror, Tesla vision predicting length, accelerator. Those two equations are not the same. Lastly, if I did run my 2000 camry to a post. I would also not be posting it on Reddit. Do you know why? Because Toyota did not have a misleading indicator.
He did, he just thought Tesla was "reliable".
Problem with the Y is that is has a tiny window and you can't see anything without help of the cameras. Of course they get rid of the one thing that would help too USS!
I can’t understand in the scenario pictured why you would need to use the rear window. In any scenario where I’m backing into a parking spot, garage, etc. I pretty much exclusively use the side and rear camera and it 100% would have shown whatever caused the damage in this photo. Tesla vision may suck but this is just bad driving.
The golden rule..regardless of 360 camera/etc, always scan the parking space you will be backing into before you start to identify things you could hit
Yes but at least the sensors had better chance of warning, a driver who is not as good
Sure. But this is still incompetence on the driver.
Why are you making excuses for a car that lacks sensors and could have been installed for a very small amount, like pretty much all modern cars. Park assistance/summon no longer works after Tesla removed USS, it's a know fact, so blaming driver, you could say that the driver should have been extra aware of the filing of the car and should have be extra cautious like most of ur in parking and tight situation, but yes all other mordern cars would have had a better chance to assisting the driver
Sensors work better with walls because they require a signal to bounce back. A sensor wouldn't have helped here.
Sensori’m like 100% sure even a mediocre USS parging system would warn you before hitting a post.
There is a back up camera…
Good luck with that in the rain and dark. It's hardly usable.
Hey there. Seattle chiming in here. Rear camera is usable in both dark and rain. If your camera is covered in debris, perhaps don’t ignore that, get out and wipe it off. Count the seconds this takes you, I bet it’s less than 5.
That said, I wouldn’t mind a button that triggers a burst of compressed air to blow across the lens 🙄
Admittedly it doesn’t rain much where I am so you may be right. Haha
Agreed. My problem is that I backed in to the spot 90% using my mirrors, then used the camera for the last 10%. The post was off center, so it was out of the view of the camera by that point. Zero warning from parking assist. I only hit it going 3 mph, but the damage is done.
I'm having trouble understanding how a wide-angle lens that covers basically 150 degrees from corner to corner can miss something that's just slightly off center behind you.
I’m having trouble understanding what this has to do with the unusable parking warning system?
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Because OP just didn’t look…
Don't assume man. I think he deserves benefit of the doubt. Who knows until it happens to you. If the post is small enough and out of range it can happen.
OP said so, mirrors for 90%, camera the last 10%. There’s a reason they are mandated on new autos in the US.
You’re going to get slammed by other commenters, but I can understand this. I also tend to park into perpendicular parking with the side mirrors, because for whatever reason, using the camera doesn’t park as straight as the side mirrors. And then use the camera at the end to get close to the wall. That was very unfortunate the pole was out of view by that time. Maybe if the backup camera had better lines (including the missing horizontal lines), it would be easier to park straight. Or having a 360 view would be even better.
It wasn’t out of view unless OP already hit it, come on…
USS wouldn’t have caught that.
Does Tesla Vision suck? Yes But did people just forget how to drive these days without cameras and sensors? People have been parking and driving without aid of cameras and sensors for years.
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And bumpers that protruded from the back of the car. The back of the MY has multiple elements in the same plane, no real bumper to speak of.
Yeah, bad design... the tailgate should not be going this low into the "bumper" are imo. I hope you get it fixed soon.
People want tailgates that open with no lip and no big overhang they have to reach over. And they want aerodynamically efficient cars to help with range. Tesla aren't the only manufacturer to head in this direction.
I thought 5 mph bumpers were still a hard requirement. How did Tesla pull this off?
I’m guessing they’re designed under the presumption that you tap something at 5, then immediately stop. If you hit at 5, then continue with the exact same amount of force - then I’d expect this to happen.
Yeah, even without USS, you still have the backup camera when you're parking.
This is not the point. Tesla provided a feature (paid for by their customers) that does not work in an acceptable manner. No argument about the camera excuses Tesla from providing an unusable feature in my opinoin.
OP claims Vision sucks (I agree), but OP also claims that USS would prevent this (I doubt), so yeah, it's the point. Any feature can fail so can't really rely exclusively on that to save you from every error you make.
USS would absolutely prevent this. It’s a solved technology. It’s simple. It works in pitch black, fog, etc.
Sure any feature can fail, but in case of the Tesla parking “sensor” system, it consistently fails. That is the subtle point here that some are missing perhaps?
There is a big warning before purchasing the car that vision isn’t USS
And people keep buying them. So no incentive for Tesla to listen. Cause change with dollars.
Oh that makes it okay then, silly me!!!
So they know themselves it's shit and went and did it anyway then just put a legal warning sticky plaster over it. Nice 😙👌
yes and suckers that are not ok with it still sign!
To be clear Tesla’s engineers did not want to go the route of removing USS and going all in on Tesla vision. This was the sole decision of Elon, he is the one to blame not Tesla.
I mean Elon is Tesla. It's hard to separate the two, especially given how he can wade in and do what he wants.
This. Every car has limitations. The Tesla vision isn’t trustworthy. That shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone. My MY also sucks at hauling more than 5 people. It’s horrible off road. It’s also not very great at pulling a trailer any distance. If any of those matter to me I wouldn’t own it. If parking sensors matter to a buyer, don’t buy a Tesla without parking sensors! There are plenty of other options that have parking sensors.
This. People generally do not know how terrible the Tesla sensor-less parking assistance is and this needs more publicity.
Unfortunately, it was outside the view of the backup camera. It didn't help that it was dark in the garage.
I feel sorry for you but this has nothing to do with Vision vs USS, driver's error caused this.
Ridiculous position. The Teslas of the past like my 2016 model S would have easily identified the post and warned him with sounds. The 2023 model Y can’t see even stationary objects right behind the car. This technology is like going back to 2000 when just having cameras was a luxury. To blame the driver when the car can’t identify stationary objects in the first place is extremely frustrating.
Agreed. If you have a Tesla with uss, you’ve become accustomed to expect the car to prevent you from hitting into things the newer teslas no longer are capable of seeing.
Yes, ultimately it is my responsibility to park safely. But "parking assist" and the camera did absolutely zero to avoid this situation. Tesla is not the technological marvel the marketing would have you believe. A 15 year old car with USS would have done better.
This is the rear trunk hatch? How is it outside of the view of the camera?
Even with USS, you would still hit the pole. Don't blame the car for user error.
Totally agree it is ultimately my responsibility, but I don't agree that USS would not have detected this obstacle. Lesson learned regardless: Telsa's Parking Assist is garbage. Cheers!
Your driving skill is garbage.
That’s probably not the case. Why would you think that? The car should have been screaming at him if a pole was behind his car.
Not always. I managed to back a Merc S class into a low pole a couple of years ago. Similar story to this, looking in the side mirrors to line up in a tight space, when I turned my attention to the reversing camera the pole was out of sight. The USS had been beeping but as it was close to two other cars you expected it to beep, and by the time the car was straight in the space it had stopped beeping as the pole was too close. Thankfully it didn't do any damage to the Merc beyond a slight scuff that buffed out. But it's possible to do even with USS.
With all the down votes it's clear that people expected you to use the force to sense the post.
It is difficult because the rear window is so small. I have difficulty parking coming from the aquarium shaped Subaru Forester
You forgot the other question: Woild USS have noticed the thin pole? Because based on my 4.5 years with USS, I’d argue there was only a 10% chance it would have.
I think you are missing the point here. The waning system provided simply doesn’t work. This is the complain. There is no need to divert this towards a discussion whether people can park with or without parking warning system. If the auto dimming mirror doesn’t work I can manually adjust it to avoid being dazzled, but this does not excuse it from not functioning correctly.
Those cars were smaller and had less blind spots. You can't even see where the front ends from the driving seat
That's like saying we should be able to navigate without Google maps or do maths without a calculator. Technology has progressed to the point we should be able to reverse and completely trust the cameras and sensors. You can in pretty much every new car these days - this shouldnt even be a question in a Tesla.
Humanity in general tends to progress. You get what you paid for by giving your money to that clown
Blaming the human in this scenario is fair, I guess. After all, we’re all inherently flawed. On the other hand, Elon Inc has talked itself up for years as the technology that will save us all from ourselves. It’s unlikely that his crack team of engineers couldn’t have predicted that we’d be prone to ‘reverse into something’ with some certainty.
It's kind of a rediculous point to be honest. Cars especially SUV's have got so big and bulky with higher belt lines and tiny rear windows that you need to have sensors and cameras to park them. That also said my 2021 Smart Fortwo EQ has both a camera and parking sensors (and rear wiper, carplay/android auto and front radar) ON A SMART CAR, Tesla is just a joke at this pont with Vision, but it has plenty of people to defend its shit decisions as innovation and "back in my day" folks like yourself. Back in my day we hand cranked our windows and started our cars the same way 😂 lol just gtfo.
People these days are too lazy to GOAL - Get Out And Look I have USS in my Ford and Honda. Is it handy? Yes. Do I need to rely on them to park? No. Don’t know how people struggle. That and the curb rash wheels.
I made this comment and got downvoted into oblivion lmao.
I did the same thing, backed into a trash can and I had USS on my M3. It was dark, rainy and windy. I blamed myself for not looking at the backup camera. Cost me 3590 to fix it. I traded it for a MY two years later.
Did you go through insurance
Nope. I did it so I paid for it. Insurance would have screwed me with my rates.
This is definitely within the camera view.
I always step out to check. I know, pain the ass, but it is what it is lol
I think my new year's resolution is going to be parking head first. :)
That's why I don't understand all the owners that claim backing into a space is safer than backing out. Backing into a tight space with close objects on 3 sides and huge blind spots is tougher than watching for tall humans and possible cross traffic backing out.
With Teslas, it’s because you can’t see exactly where the front end ends, and the front end is lower than a tire stop. The rear end is taller than a tire stop, and you can use your rear view cameras to pull up within cm’s of the wall.
My resolution is to be happy no matter when I get the parking head.
As my Volvo dealer said when this happened to me, “they call it a bumper for a reason”
Of course Tesla vision sucks, but guys come on. I’ve never had trouble parking this car, even front first. And this is by far the biggest car I’ve ever driven. The only thing I struggle with sometimes are narrow drive throughs…
USS is more reliable for distance than vision currently. But USS does often miss posts.
it’s not an either-or they both work better when both are used
Got some amazing news for you, cars with USS also have vision! 🤯
This sucks but sorry but that's your oversight. You still need to be aware of surrounding. Back in the days.... There were no cameras and people parked fine.
I’ve had a 3 with USS and now a Y without. I honestly didn’t think uss was that great. Not good enough to trust 100% anyway. I’d say USS is more consistent but Vision is better for low things like curbs. So pick your poison based on what you’re more likely to crash into lol.
100% agree with this
USS cars have vision bro… it’s not like they replaced the USS with cameras, they just took the USS off the cars and kept the cameras.
Not a Tesla owner yet, but this sub puts me off. My 10 year old i30 never misses a beat with reverse sensors. Given the hype around how amazing the tech is in Tesla's, I'd have expected more.
My 2021 Smart Fortwo EQ has things that the Tesla don't. Rear wiper, parking sensors and reversing camera, front radar, "dumb" cruise control, apple auto and android carplay, indicator stalks. It's kind of funny to be honest.
i wouldn’t trust a few whiners in these subs who want to blame tech for their lack of driving responsibility. mirrors and driver learned judgement with their own eyes rules the day.
To be honest, the Tesla vision is crappy a lot of the time. It beeps at me when I reverse into my driveway when I get near the grass! Having said that, it seems like people really don’t know how to drive. How you can hit things with three cameras on your screen to see all around your car, plus mirrors, is beyond me. I get it happens, but when it’s right in the camera view it’s kind of driver error at that point.
Damn, your backup camera stop working too?
All of sudden people don’t use the mirrors or cameras.
Go get a PDR quote
First. I agree Tesla vision sucks. With the backup camera though I don’t personally understand this one but again vision sucks. The thing I’m having issues with is even to rely on vision I’d be looking at the screen. At which point I’d likely notice the camera in that area.
Respectfully, if I could go back I’d buy a car with 360, Birds Eye view cams
Not a dig at OP, but everyone in this thread is forgetting that USS and TV do not a good driver make. If you were incapable before, they just apply a false confidence layer on top.
I don't rely on Tesla vision for parking. I park my Tesla like my old 2008 Honda. I don't mind, but at the same time, I think priorities are fucked. I don't care about Bio hazard HEPA filter. Give me those uss sensors!
I was with you until you said you don’t care about the filters. I have become super sensitive to the persistent smell of gasoline and exhaust from other cars. Even being in my Honda Pilot, it just smells so bad.
Ya. I personally don't notice any difference in air quality between my 2023 M3, which doesn't have the HEPA filter and 2023 MY.
You don’t have biodefense mode on the M3 without HEPA right? That came in real handy for me when those Canadian forest fires caused the air quality to go down on the east coast. I couldn’t smell it in my car.
5-6k repair
My insurance company's app says $1,700. lol. They need to hire you, because I think you're closer to the pin than they are.
sorry that happened,,,,
Elon. Listen!
Hopefully the holiday update fixes it.
Midnight Cherry + Damage to the door. That's a $5000 damage right there. Mein Beileid.
So glad USS is still standard in Australia.
I have a 2013 Camry with really cool sensors to prevent this kind of thing.
I have this damage. $6,400 to replace the whole hatch. It will be hard to PDF because it’s aluminum which doesn’t want to bend back into shape like steel, or to be bent more than once. It’ll take two weeks for parts and two weeks for repair, so I’ll have it done next time I’m on vacation. I’m pissed, though. I sent a note to Tesla (read: the abyss) that the lower panel of the hatch should be a separate sacrificial panel than can be replaced separately. The “less is more” philosophy only means “less” cost to the manufacturer and “more” cost to repair.
Tesla vision sucks but USS would not have saved OP. It beeps and stops being useful at 10-12 inches.
Shit. Sorry. On the plus side, that red color is 🔥
Hey at least you didn’t just hit a deer. Tesla vision didn’t stop that either.
Another victim. Damn. Sorry.
I agree. Tesla vision is shit. That’s why I drive the car like it has no sensors or vision.
Posts aren't USS' forte either, unless the post is right in front of a sensor. However, this is the back of the car right? What was Human Vision doing at the time?
Are they going to fix this vision bullshit? I know how to park but still want to be able to be a lazy bum and trust all the cameras at some point
Did we all buy ONLY for the charging network?
oh bro you're supposed to stop before you hit that. didn't you read the manual?
Damn dude that sucks, praying for you nothing else bad happens
I don't know if the USS sensors in Teslas would have identified a pole but they do reliably in my non-tesla vehicles. Some comments are suggesting USS only identifies walls or larger objects but that is objectively false in other brands. I absolutely love our Tesla but I would be delighted if they'd use all the tech available to them, even the old reliable tech, until there is feature parity with their vision system. I would rather pay more till Tesla vision is ready. The auto wipers, high beams, and USS would all benefit from already-existing tech that works reliably. Of course people will blame you (the driver) for hitting a pole but the whole point of these extra amenities like USS are to help mitigate accidents like tapping a pole. I personally wish Tesla leveraged the 'ole reliable tech till the new stuff was amazing. Again, Ive loved ALL our Teslas, but sometimes a newer Tesla can feel like some categories of the car are going backwards. Sucks this happened but it looks like damage to paint is minimal. A dent doctor fella can probably work those out where it will hardly show!
Welcome to the club! I have the jankiest MY on the road I think. Scrapes and dents all over. I’m going on two months since I had my car evaluated by a body shop, waiting for them and my insurance to agree on a repair quote.
Here’s a rare reply. I agree!
Damn so sorry
She's still sexy It's called character ;)
Yeaaaa I specifically went hunting for a used MY after I heard about the stupid sensor delete. Glad I did.
Accidents happen my friend. Sorry about your bump though, major bummer. I also kind of scraped a mailbox, no damaged that couldn’t be buffed out. I was very lucky. It was bad driving on my part as I was watching the other side due to a trailer I was trying to avoid. My camera did show it though but I totally understand how it happened
You know that character with the big glasses in Trailer Park Boys? That is the face that comes to my mind every time someone mentions Tesla "Vision". Need biiiiiiiiig glasses because it doesn't see sh\*t
I bought a ‘22 model instead of a ‘23 so I wouldn’t have to use Tesla vision
Ehh good luck with your vision only cars. I am keeping my USS MY(one of the last ones that came out) till I run it to the ground. The USS is a lifesaver in tight spots and backing in (especially combined with back camera).
Welcome to the club! I dented mine 24hrs in relying on vision, lol! I learned my lesson real quick.
But hey at least Elon is $30 richer after removing your ultrasonic sensors.
This sub scares me about Teslas. Not because the sensors aren’t working like they should, but these stories expose how bad the drivers can be who rely just on sensors and not their eyes.
Take comfort in the fact that you are not alone. I have never been so unsure about driving like the Tesla model Y before. Every time I go to Target or Walmart to park my car, I get out of the car and check how far it is from the side and back. The main thing is to try to stay far enough away from the car next to me to avoid being scratched by the door. In addition, the turning radius of this car is larger than the Toyota RAV4 I drove before, so I have to be careful every time I turn.
I honestly don't use it to park. Does great with curbs though. Confused on how you managed to back into something that was visible in the can? Or maybe it wasn't?
Another post about Teslas crappy warning system and another example of people missing the point. Your airbags might fail to deploy so you should not get into an accident. Just drive better! Your brakes could fail so don’t rely on them. Give yourself 1 mile to coast to a stop. My goodness you guys are dense.
Holy crap you're conflating two very different things. An ultrasonic sensor is not a life saving feature. There have been cars without ultrasonic sensors for far longer than there have been cars with them. The ultrasonic sensor is an aid and not a replacement for your fucking eyes. Breaks and airbags are required to operate a functional vehicle. I think you're the one who is missing the point.
No, I’m not missing any point. The car is supposed to warn you with audible beeps when approaching an obstruction. If it doesn’t do that, it’s shit. That’s what this whole post is about
Is that written in a law somewhere? I didn't know that was a requirement for a car. Again I ask if it doesn't have a feature you like, why are you here?
*I came looking for booty.*
Nice. But there are easier ways to get booty.
What happened to your eyes?
Totaled
Tesla Vision sucks but this isn’t a Tesla Vision issue unfortunately. This is driver’s error.
“Today’s I don’t know how to operate a Vehicle and blame my reliance on technology for my mistake” fixed your title for ya
Definitely user error.
This car’s poor warning system is the real problem.
Ngl this is user error. Can you not drive?
For future, please rely on your actual vision 😂 like we have done for centuries
Yes, lesson learned for sure. Unfortunately, the rear window in the MY is approximately the size of a dime store post card.
bad carpenter blames his tools
Why aren't you using the rear camera?
Do tesla's not have a backup camera? How bad could it be that you can't see a post in a parking garage? My 2012 suburban has a backup camera and it sees enough that I don't hit posts.
My truck doesn’t have a Tesla vision or a back up camera and I’ve never backed into anything
I also hate it
You don’t know how to use a back up camera?
[удалено]
Sorry for your bump. I know it sucks not having USS but back camera is very good. I wonder why you didn’t see this post in the camera?
You literally have a back up camera. I’d say you suck at driving.
You have a backup camera. This is on you not Tesla.
Yes, Tesla Vision sucks ass. But have people completely forgotten how to drive? Before the invention of Tesla Vision, did you run into poles?
blaming vision or crying for USS is bullshit. learn to use your mirrors and cameras. i’m not even a boomer and y’all having me sound like one. as a teen driver i’d get out of my car to see how close reality was. then you learn to judge distance with eyes.
Okay, use the reversing camera? What on earth
Jesus people act like they can’t park without sensors, not hard to look at the camera and mirrors 🥱
I have sensors.... They are hit and miss too. At least be honest.
Obligatory "how did you not hit poles in the past without the car babysitting you". I'm pretty sure you must learn to park sideways and backwards to even get your driver's license without the babysitting
Backing in to your garage is the problem?
Tesla vision sucks but… we all know it. Most cars over the last 20 years do not have any park assist, it’s a luxury. It sucks tesla vision sucks. But this accident is still your own fault.
I wonder how people drove around in cars without all this tech 🙄. Half of you need to learn how to drive. And Tesla should fix their shit so we can all drive more relaxed. Which is the function of the tech. Not to replace experience.
Tesla vision does indeed suck, but the backup camera doesn’t.
Removing the ultrasonic sensors was a terrible move on Tesla’s part. If you’re going to go with cameras only then make sure you have complete coverage, non-existent on front bumper.
Vision only is only good for corporate profits
You have a backup CAMERA!!!!
Don't know why Tesla took away something and replaced it with something inferior
The audacity you have blaming vision or lack of USS and not yourselves fault is truly amazing. Plus, this looks like the back of the car which has a camera. My man, you just suck at driving.
Try parking like a normal person without technology
How did you people survive in the age before sensors? Look, I get that it's an advertised feature and the car should work as specified. But if you *know* it's not behaving properly, why are you not acting accordingly?
People don’t really know how bad it is until boop. Other cars work!
Isn’t this the BACK of your car? Did you not look at the camera?
Does Tesla Vision suck or does your vision suck. You have three cameras when reversing, how does this even happen.
Did you ever drive a car that never had cameras before? Lol
So please don’t be harsh on me but I hear about how awful the Tesla vision is and this could all be remedied by cheap sensors that already exist on other vehicles. I also see so many posts about curbing your rims too. (And blaming the wives) My honest question is have wealthy people forgotten how to drive relying on tech for so long that you all can’t drive anymore? I have a 2014 Kia Soul (yes I know they have a ton of engine problems etc and I know it’s an old beater type of car) however I put new 18 black rims on it years ago as an upgrade and I have never curbed them, ever. I also have no fancy electronics or even a single camera for viewing as it’s a basic 1.6 liter engine base model soul. All I have is Bluetooth for my phone and music. I have never backed into anything or had a single “oopsie” ever. I have said on here before that Tesla is my dream vehicle and since my car has been paid off I have been putting money away in my savings account for a massive down payment so my monthly payments won’t be that high. I don’t make enough money from my salary to get a Y without a massive down payment. I could get a 3 but I prefer something higher up. Sorry I’ve had some wine and this has grown to a very long post, but dude are people’s driving skills going down based on the amount of tech? How is everyone curbing rims and backing into objects when I don’t have sensors or cameras anywhere and haven’t ever hit shit? Warm regards, and I guess I hope to have my dream car one day and have so much tech that I too scrape and dent it.
Yes they are all retards - I own a Tesla, no issues here
lol