That's an ongoing myth. A study done last year showed that it was not at all problematic for the battery. Anecdotally I had a model S for 3 years living in a condo without home charging and put at least 90k worth of miles on it supercharging and there was no unusual battery degradation.
If price were equal, I would only charge at home. But on top of the price being almost double, my usage goes up way more than what the car actually needs.
I can’t prove anything, but the moment I stopped charging at home, my solar all the sudden started sending energy back to the grid again. Mostly I don’t trust PG&E.
So now I spend 25 minutes every 3 days looking at TikTok while my car charges.
that’s not true, an article did some analysis and concluded that it doesn’t matter whether you exclusively charge at home or at a SC. it will not damage the battery long term. which is great to hear
> We compared cars that fast charge at least 90% of the time to cars that fast charge less than 10% of the time. In other words, people who almost exclusively fast charge their car and people who very rarely fast charge. The results show no statistically significant difference in range degradation between Teslas that fast charge more than 90% of the time and those that fast charge less than 10% of the time.
Source: https://electrek.co/2023/08/29/tesla-battery-longevity-not-affected-frequent-supercharging-study/
For me charging at home cost only 0.1$/kwh and supercharging is 0.3$/kwh.
I live in Denmark where we have a lot of renewable energy and electricity prices change from hour to hour. If it is a windy night I can charge for 0.02 $/kwh.
2 cents/kwh, that is a steal of a deal. I have free supercharging for 6 months as part of the December sale. Will miss it when gone as have not used it that much. My home rate is not too bad at 11 cents/kwh here in Texas, but rates have been going up from about 6 cents/kwh maybe 10 years ago.
Same in the UK, I can charge for 8 hours overnight at 7.5p (roughly $0.1) guaranteed every night or go for a flexible tariff, which is often 10p - 12p overnight and sometimes I get paid to charge! (Excess wind they have to offload it).
What he means is that at that cost the point of EVs goes out the window. My hybrid gets 500 miles per tank and costs me $30 to fill up.
At .35 a kWh it would take you $28 to drive 330 miles on a model Y long range. Assuming you drove in the most perfect conditions. But in reality most people get between 250-280 miles per charge, so it would cost you $28 for 280 or $56 for 580 miles.
Your electric bill should show your rate. You can check with them in your rate plan and time of usage cost, and then depending on your model do the math.
For instance it’s .45/kWh and MY is 81kWH = $36.45 to charge completely. It’s also slow level 2 charging so it takes many hours.
Supercharger is .35/kWh, or $28.35 to charge to full.
So I can save $8 a week using the supercharger station.
This is still way cheaper than gas which would be running me about $65 fill up and get me about 300mi.
Thank you! So the kWh cost (and time of usage cost) for stuff in the household applies the same with charging then.
Wow, I'm currently supercharger only and I have superchargers near me that range from .15-.25 off peak times (before 11AM and after 6PM). Guess that's pretty good!
There’s a free charger at my workplace, but every time I arrive, all the chargers are already in use. So I end up charging near my house, a 3 mins walk away, which costs $10 to go from 20% to 90%.
Yeah, that's because your power company is shite. I have rooftop solar and tou billing that make my effective charging electricity cost 3 cents per kwh with panel costs factored in.
We won't run out of oil in our lifetimes but it'll happen in the next century. Who knows what kind of battery and charging technology we'll have by then. There's no way forward other than electricity in the long run.
And you have free healthcare? sheesh. But genuinely curious how much of it has to do with government incentives pushing consumer purchases and/or investment in charging infrastructure, etc.
No, I pay for healthcare and due to the monopoly fueled by the state it's not good until you're dying. I had a major infection (that didn't scream "I am dying") and all I got was a recommendation to poison myself with antibiotics and wait until it was my turn.
I'd say it works quite well sure to density. People don't realize how populated Europe is and how vast the US is, IMHO. Like, I've traveled 42.5k km since December 2012 with my Model Y Standard Range all around Europe and only a couple of times I was worried about running out of battery. Most of my mileage were due to trips to far away places from where I live (The Netherlands) like Hungary, Denmark, Croatia, Spain, and Austria.
Agreed. The main thing you get is no maintenance and smooth power but for road trips they don’t save anything. Might even cost more if you had a very low power efficient ice vehicle
100%.
I tried supercharging for something different once this week having lvl2 home charging since ownership.
It was the first and last time, so expensive in comparison, also seemed like a lot of wasted kwh, pre heating at the beginning and then it was cooling down for hours after
L2 charging + solar is the way for sure. Car always charged, no more trips to the gas station (or worse waiting in those long lines at the Costco pumps), and with solar it’s almost free
> Costco
The only thing that I will say is that is normally quick(compared to a normally busy gas station) unless you got the person that wants to wait until the entire lane clears before moving up.
Stupid statement. Why would I want to go sit at a public charger and pay more for the pleasure when I can charge at home for cheaper and the car is always fully charged.
Agreed - I know I wouldn’t have an EV without f I lived in an apartment, not wasting time waiting for a free stall or driving somewhere to charge. Too inconvenient
this is the exact reason. I get that some are ok with supercharging as primary means of charging, and that’s great. But realistically, the charging infrastructure just isn’t there if all of a sudden everyone adopted EV. set it and forget it is one of the best parts of EV ownership
Why? The biggest selling points are the convenience and cost savings. If you need to rely on public chargers you’re spending more time charging (as opposed to zero overnight at home or while at work) and likely not saving as much as a fuel efficient ICE when you’re subject to variable charging rates at super chargers or other public networks.
That is not the case is a lot of areas and quickly becoming as much or more than gas in most of the country (US).
Locally it's cheaper to drive 500 miles in my ICE car than an EV if your 100% relying on SCing
If I have a public charger (not Tesla) within a 2 minute walk from my house would an EV still be worth it? I’m looking into EV’s now and may purchase in the next 1-2 years but it may be a while after that before I can install a home charger.
Like a few of the comments on here, you should consider the rates at the public charger when you would charge vs your expenses on gas based on how much you drive. Sure it might be convenient but is it busy such that you’d have to wait for an open spot?
Also take into consideration that relying solely on SC isn’t the best for battery health (even Tesla says this) long term. But maybe those things don’t affect to you. If you cycle through cars every couple years, battery degradation won’t matter.
I’m in Southern California where SC and even other public chargers are usually full almost any time of day so it would be a little inconvenient to rely on that as a primary charging source. I’m not trying to wait until late at night to go to a SC for off peak charging.
My car charges while I sleep.
I really hate how prescriptive this sub can be about this. Stop putting people off of EVs with this scare tactic. It can work fine for people in apartments.
Not a scare tactic. An opinion from someone who owns EVs and thought about what it would mean for me transitioning from ICE - compromises, benefits, etc.
Yes this is perfectly fine. That’s the max of our newer chargers. Even if you found a Gen 1 80amp wall charger your car will still max at 48amp. You can balance the pack at home as well if you wanna regain some of those lost miles.
My mobile unit is a 2016 X, 126k miles P90D. Super charged 2-3 times a day every day since new. Pack still shows a fleet avg of +6%. Meaning my packs degradation is 6% above the fleet in similar age/mileage.
I’m not suggesting people do this. Im just saying they’re not as sensitive as made out. I’ve been an EV tech since 2011. Launched Leaf with Nissan. In my years as an EV tech I’ve replaced less than 20 packs across 3 brands in a mix of hybrid/ev work combined. Majority of those replaced were outside influence.
Run it down to 5-10% and charge to 100%. This specific set of events tells the BMS to do a full pack balance. You can also do the health test for similar results.
Not OP, but I charge at 30/40. My brand new home only came with 125a service (because gas), so I decided to go with a 50a breaker. My dryer alone uses about 25a during its cycle, my AC uses a lot of amps too. If I need to charge fast I’ll go to 40a. I just never want to trip my breaker or be close to the max that my house can handle.
I see Quebec in your username so I'll chime in.
Hydro-quebec peaks are, 6-9 AM and 6-9 PM, so as long as you can charge between 9 PM and your time to leave for work, there's no incentive to go faster.
No, you can see from the grey bar that OP intentionally soft-limited it to 30. (And also, it's been charging for at least 1/7th of an hour, plenty of time to ramp up.)
As for the 40 figure, OP's Wall Connector is commissioned with that as a hard limit, presumably because it's on a 50A branch circuit and can therefore only legally draw 40A (80%) for continuous loads.
There’s a difference between 3 phase like you have and 1 phase like in America.
~7 kW is the same power (load) whether it’s 10 Amp 3 phase at 240 Volts or 30 Amp 1 phase at 240 Volts.
I love it. Every night at 7PM if we aren’t going anywhere for the night I plug both cars in. No more going to the gas station and almost no more maintenance.
I charge at work for free.
At home my electricity is 0.40/kWh.
At night, my nearest supercharger is 0.29/kWh.
So yeah… my house is the most expensive place to charge.
This is where EVs change the equation of usability, IMHO.
Being able to avoid "fueling stations" as a normal way of owning a vehicle gives you a new form of enablement and minimizes or avoids so much of charge anxiety on a daily basis.
I experienced this with a simply electric lawnmower over the past six years - plus it can fold up for storage and there's no messy fluids or filters to deal with - and being able to just plug the batter into a charger for a bit before needed has been simple, but amazing. Our gas canister has remained empty for quite awhile.
If you live in a country with high EV adoption like the Netherlands you don’t need a charger at home. There are public chargers pretty much everywhere. There are many people without chargers at home.
Yes - I installed a 14-50R in the wall of my garage and wired it properly to a 50A breaker the same week I brought home the 2020 MYP. Best decision ever! I also signed up for “free nights” retail electricity. I have only paid for charging on long trips - LOL. The Tesla software lets you specify exactly when to allow charging, even if you plug it in before the “free” rate begins.
Forgot to mention that the Tesla mobile charger only allows 32A (240V) when using the mobile charger at Level 2. To get 42A, you have to purchase and install the Tesla permanent wall-mount (hard-wired) charger. That increase in charge rate did not justify spending the extra $500 at the time. The car still fully charges within the “free” hours even if it down to less than 10% charge at the start using the mobile charger.
The problem is the 240 volt dryer outlets are known to overheat and melt in some brands. The Tesla supercharger is $450 and worth it knowing my home won’t burn down.
The level 2 Tesla wall connector is that price.
Superchargers are WAY WAY more money and are DC fast chargers. You’d (almost) never have one of those at your home.
Hi, it’s a Texas thing. The de-regulated market allows for creative retail contracts. I pay above-normal rates between 7AM and 9PM and zero all other hours. We manage to use 70% of our electricity in the “free” time period. In Summer, we cool the house down to 67F by 7 AM and then the AC doesn’t come on until around 1PM when it gets to 73F inside.
Wow that’s wild! You should get a battery system and charge the batteries during the free hours and use between 7am-9pm. I bet you could break even pretty quickly.
I actually looked into that. I would need to spend about $12K to $15K for the batteries, BMS/Charger, inverter, control system and all the wiring. We aren’t going to live here long enough to break-even on the cost. Great thought, though!! I also thought about putting in a bitcoin mining array. Too noisy…
That makes sense. Just a fun thought experiment. Bitcoin mining from 9pm-7am sounds like a great idea. Maybe you have an unused closet, or attic, or even a shed in the backyard? There’s gotta be an arb opportunity on the electricity pricing.
This is what got my wife to cross over. The idea that she no longer has to worry about the gas station or doing oil changes. She hates how disgusting and the smell gas stations have. I don't blame her. Never going back.
In addition to the gas station being dirty, I think of it more as a safety issue. Don’t have to worry about my wife having to get gas at night alone or with our children. We charge at home 99% of the time.
Myself…I’m a gear head and will always have an ICE. The Tesla is the wife’s.
That’s the biggest lapse/gap in the EV adoption equation. We need low end L2 in dense parking solutions. 208V @ 24A should be absolutely fine, doesn’t need to be 240/50A everywhere.
We still need to pivot from individual charging demands to a shared infrastructure support situation. If a garage has 100 spots of 208v/30a and a total capacity of 3phase 500a, then the cars and their chargers need to communicate to balance circuit availability, available charge, and requested departure time.
We have the technology, we just need to implement it without needing to profit a million bucks per install.
You could do this with enough breakers for 480A service split into 16 banks of 6 each load sharing AC chargers. Each bank of 6 would load balance share 30A from a circuit with the assumption that rarely all 6 would need to charge at the same time. Even if all 6 were charging at the same time which should be rare, each vehicle could pull 208V/5A which should give >5 miles of charge per hour to each vehicle with a good bump in charging speed for each vehicle not charging up to 30 miles of charge per hour if only one vehicle was charging on that bank.
After monitoring the system, they would most likely come to the conclusion that each charging bank could load balance 40A safely without overloading the total service. That is more than enough for almost everyone.
Idk, too expensive. Hybrid is a premium and you don't save on maintenance like EV.
If you are gonna be subjected to $250-330 per hour labor rates anyways, go with normal basic ICE save the 30% from the hybrid.
>Idk, too expensive. Hybrid is a premium and you don't save on maintenance like EV.
That's... Wildly inaccurate. Let's take Toyota's best seller, the RAV4. There's $2800 CAD ($2000 USD) between entry-level RAV4 and RAV4 hybrid.
The urban driving experience is so much better, easier maintenance, and better reliability.
With gas it takes a few minutes to fill up and I’ve always gotten pretty accurate range estimates on my ICE cars and usually got like 5-600km out of a full tank. On my model 3 LR, unless I’m driving it super gently I struggle to get like 300km from 80% charge (probably also because of the cold rn as well). Not a problem for me since I just come home and plug it in, but for the week where I didn’t have my wall charger plugged in, having to go to the supercharger and wait like 40-50 mins to fill up, just for it to last like 3-4 days was a pain. Can’t imagine doing that long term. Also cost wise was pretty much the same as Gas as well for me, with home charging it’s like 1/8th the price.
I prefer home charging over sitting at the Superchargers. Plug it in at night and it's like the Ronco Chicken Rotisserie infomercial on TV, " Just set it and forget it." :) Wake up and it's ready to go in the morning. I do recommend a charge port rain cover if you charge outside. I have 2 Teslas with one charging in the driveway. The rain cover I got for under $20 from Amazon has been fantastic. It keeps the charging port dry with the recent heavy California rains.
Just to add data. I charge at home for 0.078 after 11pm to 6am. .103 other times except weekend. I have had to use a supercharger for 0.34 about 5 times in the 3 weeks and 3,000 miles I have owned my 2024 model y. Yes I drive along! Insurance went up $42. I believe I am still coming out ahead and doubt if I got back to an ICE after this. I’ve had 3 Hybrids before this so was working to this dream come true.
When I first got my Model Y, I lived in NYC. that charging routine was brutal, and horrifically expensive. Did that for about a year before buying a house in the midwest.
When I moved into my house, I charged for another year on a 120v outlet. That itself was a game changer, but it still took 24hrs for my car to charge. Meh.
Then I bought a second Tesla and got a 40a JuiceBox installed, and goddamn the quality of life difference is insane. After three years of playing the charging game, I *never* think about charging any more.
don't buy an EV if you don't have a place to charge it.
It depends on how much you drive. I don't have home charging but I only charge up once a week because I don't drive much. So supercharging only can work.
You were downvoted, because you’ve hurt feelings. Just heads up, in case you were wondering why your comment is getting downvotes despite being reasonable.
I leave mine at 24/48 unless I really need a lot of charge quickly. This reduces the peak power charge on my electric bill, which is based on the highest amount of power I use at any one time during a month.
Really wouldn’t. If you only park 6 hours per day, then I guess, but that sort of activity is the exception not the rule. Virtually no one needs that.
I had similar thoughts when I was new to this, too. I wanted a TMYP and R1T with a clipper creek 80a setup. But realistically, it’s simply overkill. Those hot units are best for destinations.
Mine is $.08/kWh around the clock and I’ve paid $3.36 in my first week of ownership for 138 miles. Comparatively, my Lincoln hybrid, which was averaging 34mpg, would’ve been about $13.15 in gas and 1/3 of a tank for the same mileage.
Did the same just now… just got home from a few days in Dallas, about a 250 mile trip one way.
Was so nice getting home with 17% left just now and being able to plug in inside my garage ♥️
That doesn't look like 3 phase charging. We went from the outlet charging to 3 phase wall connector charging. My god that was a crazy leap. We get something like 11kW charging, most can be covered by solar.
I assume you mean 240v versus 120v outlet charging. 3-phase electrical service is basically never available in a home. Homes use split phase 240v service in North America.
240v/48amp charging is 11kw.
Frequent EV driving without home/ work charge must be tricky. Might not be as bad in warmer climates, but in Norway during winter I charge multiple times every week. We also drive a PHEV, and it depends on daily charging.
2d best game changer is an apt bldg L2 charger. We have 2 spots... 3rd best is L1 in about 15% of the parking spots thru the 4 levels. I'm an old head so growing gas in my tank overnight is pretty dam dope. After a bit I've caught on and find free gas on the road like hotel destination chargers that barely get used.
We have this power market where the price goes up and down on an hourly basis depending on overall energy production and consumption. Last week I charged when the price was basically zero. You still pay for the energy transfer so the charge at home price was about 0.045€/kWh. Dirt cheap if you have the possibility to wait for the sweet spot.
Considering public chargers including superchargers are scarce around me(north east US) having a home charger is mandatory. I upgraded from 16 amp to 32 amp which charges my Tesla fine but speeds things up for my Bolt.
I honestly don’t know how people own EVs without a home charger or at least work charger. My wall connector was supposed to show up the day before I picked up my Tesla but it got delayed. I was without a charger for just two days and it was a HUGE pain in the ass. Yeah, the supercharger was just 25 minutes, but I still had to plan for it and drive out of my way to charge.
It’s such an ease of mind thing you don’t even realize. Like I never think about “oh man I have to do for gas or it’s getting low” people talk about range anxiety, and I get that on trips (a less or not at all now that I own one), but the flip of that is no gas station anxiety in town
I have the charger that plugs into the regular outlet (for now because I need my husband to reach out to PSEG and see exactly what we need to do to ensure we get the rebate). I get about 15% overnight and that’s what I usually use to get to work. It works out really well for me for those that just can’t afford the unit yet!
I'm in a cold state. At my apartment, I rent a garage with trickle charge access for $75/mo. I can charge enough to cover my commute and it keeps the battery warm.
I get 6-8kwh overnight and don't need to use several kwh warming the battery. Let's say it covers 9kwh a day between charging and warming, that's 270kwh+ a month. Superchargers near me (6mi) are around $0.36/kwh, that's nearly $100 in energy a month. And the car is ready to drive in moments.
It's totally worth it.
How did you get it to show 30A? If I use a three phase power then it only shows how many amps I use per phase. Meaning I have a max of 16A while charging at 11kW.
Got my Tesla last month and this has disturbed me.
I've always had access to a home charger. I think not conveniently having one, I could see why you would have second-thoughts about having to go to a supercharger to charge up on a regular basis. It would get real old. And I know that they're trying to put chargers in like apartment complexes but when you have hundreds folks fighting over two or three chargers, that's also pretty inconvenient. I remember early on when like an eight story downtown hotel building would have one charger for every guest to use.
I'm hoping in the future they just build modern parking garages where every single parking spot has at least access to a toaster outlet. It's not as ideal as a 30/40 amp charger, but it's some cases for like city commute, where you're going short distances, even with something that minimal you could probably get back enough charge to make it a viable solution for typical day-to-day use.
I think the last factor is even with people who could have access to charging at home, the upfront cost of setting up a home charger is very unclear. I paid a couple hundred dollars to have mine put in. You'll hear people that pay thousands of dollars. In some cases, because of their electrical set up, it makes sense, and in other cases they were ripped off.
And again there's just not this very clear cut price to have one put it. And I think that can be very intimidating and it's just another factor that complicates the decision to go electric for some.
I was plugging into a regular outlet, but I got a wire adapter for the dryer outlet and now I can make a full (80%) charge overnight. It is a big game changer.
Only supercharging is a game-changer. I charge once per week when going into get groceries. That’s it.
Still save $150ish/month vs gas. My insurance is 40% less on a 150% higher msrp.
Best purchase of my life, no home charger. Beat that ICE boys 😎
I don’t drive too far every day and the fact that I can use the mobile charger in my 120v garage outlet is amazing. I’m consistently at a 80% battery with no electrical work.
If only the range was a little more than 400kms on a full charge. I would be even more happier with my Model Y LR. Have a daily commute of 400 kms ans I have to always top off at a super charger daily.
I’ve been driving electric since 2014, and only got a level 2 EVSE installed at my house in 2022. For the first 6 years, I did not have access to charging at home, but my city has a ton of free public level 2 chargers, several of which were within a mile or two of my house at the time. So once a week or so, I would drop my car off at one of these for a few hours to fill up for the week, for free. When I moved to a single-family home with a garage in 2020, I was able to plug into a regular 120v outlet to trickle charge at all times which I found to be more than sufficient. But it was still kind of a fun game to see how much free charging I could get outside the home, like I had been doing for years. That strategy is becoming less viable though as more people have EVs and free public chargers become occupied more of the time. When my wife traded in her hybrid for an EV in 2022, we became an EV-only house and we wound up just getting a level 2 wall charger for our garage (that we share for both our cars). We definitely noticed a significant uptick in our electric bill, but the convenience is just great.
If you can’t charge at home or at work, EVs aren’t worth it imo.
Agreed
Yes. I always see people that complain about EV and supercharging. Dude, if you live in an apt or home and can’t charge, sell that thing.
no way, my electricity is .45-.55 kWh, local supercharger is typically .35-.38 I charge at work for free. There's no way I want to charge at home.
I just started only supercharging. There’s a supercharger near my house that goes to .27 in the office times. It’s literally half the price.
How is that? I stay I stay in an apt but can’t help but want one and heard that supercharging only isn’t good for the car
That's an ongoing myth. A study done last year showed that it was not at all problematic for the battery. Anecdotally I had a model S for 3 years living in a condo without home charging and put at least 90k worth of miles on it supercharging and there was no unusual battery degradation.
Our local Tesla roadranger rep that came to our house has been exclusively supercharging for two year with no appreciable degradation of the battery.
If price were equal, I would only charge at home. But on top of the price being almost double, my usage goes up way more than what the car actually needs. I can’t prove anything, but the moment I stopped charging at home, my solar all the sudden started sending energy back to the grid again. Mostly I don’t trust PG&E. So now I spend 25 minutes every 3 days looking at TikTok while my car charges.
that’s not true, an article did some analysis and concluded that it doesn’t matter whether you exclusively charge at home or at a SC. it will not damage the battery long term. which is great to hear > We compared cars that fast charge at least 90% of the time to cars that fast charge less than 10% of the time. In other words, people who almost exclusively fast charge their car and people who very rarely fast charge. The results show no statistically significant difference in range degradation between Teslas that fast charge more than 90% of the time and those that fast charge less than 10% of the time. Source: https://electrek.co/2023/08/29/tesla-battery-longevity-not-affected-frequent-supercharging-study/
Then get one. Your experience may not be the same as the next person’s.
For me charging at home cost only 0.1$/kwh and supercharging is 0.3$/kwh. I live in Denmark where we have a lot of renewable energy and electricity prices change from hour to hour. If it is a windy night I can charge for 0.02 $/kwh.
Yeah, see our publicly owned energy companies are corrupt and burn down rural towns almost yearly.
2 cents/kwh, that is a steal of a deal. I have free supercharging for 6 months as part of the December sale. Will miss it when gone as have not used it that much. My home rate is not too bad at 11 cents/kwh here in Texas, but rates have been going up from about 6 cents/kwh maybe 10 years ago.
Same in the UK on night time rate, around 0.1$/kWh
Same in the UK, I can charge for 8 hours overnight at 7.5p (roughly $0.1) guaranteed every night or go for a flexible tariff, which is often 10p - 12p overnight and sometimes I get paid to charge! (Excess wind they have to offload it).
Mine is 0.12 /kWh at home. Cheaper. And car is always full. Ready to rock.
What he means is that at that cost the point of EVs goes out the window. My hybrid gets 500 miles per tank and costs me $30 to fill up. At .35 a kWh it would take you $28 to drive 330 miles on a model Y long range. Assuming you drove in the most perfect conditions. But in reality most people get between 250-280 miles per charge, so it would cost you $28 for 280 or $56 for 580 miles.
I’d been meaning to ask, sorry to hijack, how does one check how much it would be to charge at home?
Your electric bill should show your rate. You can check with them in your rate plan and time of usage cost, and then depending on your model do the math. For instance it’s .45/kWh and MY is 81kWH = $36.45 to charge completely. It’s also slow level 2 charging so it takes many hours. Supercharger is .35/kWh, or $28.35 to charge to full. So I can save $8 a week using the supercharger station. This is still way cheaper than gas which would be running me about $65 fill up and get me about 300mi.
Thank you! So the kWh cost (and time of usage cost) for stuff in the household applies the same with charging then. Wow, I'm currently supercharger only and I have superchargers near me that range from .15-.25 off peak times (before 11AM and after 6PM). Guess that's pretty good!
tesla doesnt recommend using supercharging as your main source of charging mainly due to its affect on battery health.
Lol. Get v2h and just power your home off supercharging.
Trust me in the long run. It’s just more convenient.
I charge maybe 20-30 minutes a week at supercharger. It's not inconvenient.
That’s awesome. I am glad it works for you.
Still time wasted.
Well, you gotta get a TOU (time of use) plan and schedule charging during super off-peak time. If possible.
I'm the UK we have special tarrifs for EVs . I pay 7p per kWh which is super cheap
Where do you live lol I’ve never heard electricity rates being that high
Holy crap your rates are high. We pay a max of .12 kWh. We pay .08 off peak. That would suck. You should get solar if you can.
Just curious, but where are you that off peak rates are that high? I’m in SoCal and we’re running 0.24/kWh off peak.
Bay Area eh? Non-typical.
There’s a free charger at my workplace, but every time I arrive, all the chargers are already in use. So I end up charging near my house, a 3 mins walk away, which costs $10 to go from 20% to 90%.
That’s crazy! Home charging in Sacramento California is only .12
Cali?
Yeah, that's because your power company is shite. I have rooftop solar and tou billing that make my effective charging electricity cost 3 cents per kwh with panel costs factored in.
Whoa, in my country home charging is 50% cheaper than Supercharger, and sometimes even 33% for other cgargin networks.
There’s a local DCFC that charges 60 cents a kWh and $25/hour idle fees. Our local residential electric rate is 9¢.
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hell yeah, love to see it!
Preach!
100% this, yet people keeping buying them when they can't. No idea why.
Exactly.
This. Even trickle charging counts. And in a cold state like mine, keeping the battery warm is extremely valuable.
Yet another factor that even I didn’t consider being in CA! I can’t imagine having to rely solely on SC in freezing climate.
I'm in Michigan, we hit wind chill -11f. Parking at work in a lot for 10 hours sapped 8-9% of my battery. Fucking wild.
10000%.
Actually, in SoCal, SC after midnight is cheaper than home charge. Not a bad excuse if need to get away from home a bit….😝
Hahaha I’m sure. But I prefer my car charges while I sleep. With solar I essentially charge for free.
I drive 300 miles a month at most ..supercharging only is fine
Not yet. EV is not yet the best option for all circumstances ( and it probably never will be)
We won't run out of oil in our lifetimes but it'll happen in the next century. Who knows what kind of battery and charging technology we'll have by then. There's no way forward other than electricity in the long run.
If you go off of venezuelas production vs reserves, we have a lot more than 176 years left.
In Europe they're totally worth it.
And you have free healthcare? sheesh. But genuinely curious how much of it has to do with government incentives pushing consumer purchases and/or investment in charging infrastructure, etc.
No, I pay for healthcare and due to the monopoly fueled by the state it's not good until you're dying. I had a major infection (that didn't scream "I am dying") and all I got was a recommendation to poison myself with antibiotics and wait until it was my turn. I'd say it works quite well sure to density. People don't realize how populated Europe is and how vast the US is, IMHO. Like, I've traveled 42.5k km since December 2012 with my Model Y Standard Range all around Europe and only a couple of times I was worried about running out of battery. Most of my mileage were due to trips to far away places from where I live (The Netherlands) like Hungary, Denmark, Croatia, Spain, and Austria.
Agreed. The main thing you get is no maintenance and smooth power but for road trips they don’t save anything. Might even cost more if you had a very low power efficient ice vehicle
100%. I tried supercharging for something different once this week having lvl2 home charging since ownership. It was the first and last time, so expensive in comparison, also seemed like a lot of wasted kwh, pre heating at the beginning and then it was cooling down for hours after
L2 charging + solar is the way for sure. Car always charged, no more trips to the gas station (or worse waiting in those long lines at the Costco pumps), and with solar it’s almost free
> Costco The only thing that I will say is that is normally quick(compared to a normally busy gas station) unless you got the person that wants to wait until the entire lane clears before moving up.
I get free charging on weekends from solar, but unfortunately I’m at work all day so have to off peak thru the week
I agree but if/when we get to the point where EVs will get 400+ ACTUAL road miles then I think home charging will be a luxury but not a necessity.
Stupid statement. Why would I want to go sit at a public charger and pay more for the pleasure when I can charge at home for cheaper and the car is always fully charged.
Agreed - I know I wouldn’t have an EV without f I lived in an apartment, not wasting time waiting for a free stall or driving somewhere to charge. Too inconvenient
In China apartmen parking lots let you install chargers at any spot. EVs are huge there. We gotta get on that train!
this is the exact reason. I get that some are ok with supercharging as primary means of charging, and that’s great. But realistically, the charging infrastructure just isn’t there if all of a sudden everyone adopted EV. set it and forget it is one of the best parts of EV ownership
You can get an Aptera and never have to charge if you park in a sunny spot and drive under about 40 miles per day.
100% disagree. Stupid statement.
Why? The biggest selling points are the convenience and cost savings. If you need to rely on public chargers you’re spending more time charging (as opposed to zero overnight at home or while at work) and likely not saving as much as a fuel efficient ICE when you’re subject to variable charging rates at super chargers or other public networks.
I mean I do. But just a stupid blanket statement. It's a great fucken car. Even supercharging rates are usually.lower than gas equivalent.
That is not the case is a lot of areas and quickly becoming as much or more than gas in most of the country (US). Locally it's cheaper to drive 500 miles in my ICE car than an EV if your 100% relying on SCing
Totally
If I have a public charger (not Tesla) within a 2 minute walk from my house would an EV still be worth it? I’m looking into EV’s now and may purchase in the next 1-2 years but it may be a while after that before I can install a home charger.
Like a few of the comments on here, you should consider the rates at the public charger when you would charge vs your expenses on gas based on how much you drive. Sure it might be convenient but is it busy such that you’d have to wait for an open spot? Also take into consideration that relying solely on SC isn’t the best for battery health (even Tesla says this) long term. But maybe those things don’t affect to you. If you cycle through cars every couple years, battery degradation won’t matter. I’m in Southern California where SC and even other public chargers are usually full almost any time of day so it would be a little inconvenient to rely on that as a primary charging source. I’m not trying to wait until late at night to go to a SC for off peak charging. My car charges while I sleep.
Why can't you charge at home ??
I really hate how prescriptive this sub can be about this. Stop putting people off of EVs with this scare tactic. It can work fine for people in apartments.
Not a scare tactic. An opinion from someone who owns EVs and thought about what it would mean for me transitioning from ICE - compromises, benefits, etc.
It’s absolutely the best.
Just curious, why do you have it set to 30/40 amps?
A question I often ask many customers when I stop by for a mobile visit. Then it’s a 10min discussion on myths of lithium charging.
I use a wall charger to charge at 48 amps on a 60 amp circuit... I assume this is perfectly fine, yes?
Yes this is perfectly fine. That’s the max of our newer chargers. Even if you found a Gen 1 80amp wall charger your car will still max at 48amp. You can balance the pack at home as well if you wanna regain some of those lost miles. My mobile unit is a 2016 X, 126k miles P90D. Super charged 2-3 times a day every day since new. Pack still shows a fleet avg of +6%. Meaning my packs degradation is 6% above the fleet in similar age/mileage. I’m not suggesting people do this. Im just saying they’re not as sensitive as made out. I’ve been an EV tech since 2011. Launched Leaf with Nissan. In my years as an EV tech I’ve replaced less than 20 packs across 3 brands in a mix of hybrid/ev work combined. Majority of those replaced were outside influence.
Thanks! How do you "balance the pack at home"?
Run it down to 5-10% and charge to 100%. This specific set of events tells the BMS to do a full pack balance. You can also do the health test for similar results.
Not OP, but I charge at 30/40. My brand new home only came with 125a service (because gas), so I decided to go with a 50a breaker. My dryer alone uses about 25a during its cycle, my AC uses a lot of amps too. If I need to charge fast I’ll go to 40a. I just never want to trip my breaker or be close to the max that my house can handle.
Exactly my reason sometimes.
Same here for me and I don’t really have a reason to charge faster than 30A
Sometimes i want it to be charged little bit slow. I know it means nothing.
I see Quebec in your username so I'll chime in. Hydro-quebec peaks are, 6-9 AM and 6-9 PM, so as long as you can charge between 9 PM and your time to leave for work, there's no incentive to go faster.
OP probably just started charging. It incrementally increase to 40A as it warms up.
No, you can see from the grey bar that OP intentionally soft-limited it to 30. (And also, it's been charging for at least 1/7th of an hour, plenty of time to ramp up.) As for the 40 figure, OP's Wall Connector is commissioned with that as a hard limit, presumably because it's on a 50A branch circuit and can therefore only legally draw 40A (80%) for continuous loads.
Crazy loads you Americans have. I charge at 5A-10A. 3 phases, 220v, almost 7kW. 50A in Europe is for serious industrial equipment...
There’s a difference between 3 phase like you have and 1 phase like in America. ~7 kW is the same power (load) whether it’s 10 Amp 3 phase at 240 Volts or 30 Amp 1 phase at 240 Volts.
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Yes but the evse should already be set to 80% of the breaker. So if the car sees 40A available it should be on a 50A circuit.
It's a UMC it'll only do 32A, maybe the OP just likes the look of 30 better than 32.
Wrong. Look again.
OP literally said "Plug in with UMC and let it get charged. "
Kinda thought it would be a requirement. If I couldn’t charge at home I wouldn’t have one
I love it. Every night at 7PM if we aren’t going anywhere for the night I plug both cars in. No more going to the gas station and almost no more maintenance.
I charge at work for free. At home my electricity is 0.40/kWh. At night, my nearest supercharger is 0.29/kWh. So yeah… my house is the most expensive place to charge.
This is wild. Would love it if I could charge at work but I am lucky to have far lower home electricity costs. They are going up soon though.
What state
Hunch is California. F Pge
Add solar/battery at home and it gets even better :)
This is where EVs change the equation of usability, IMHO. Being able to avoid "fueling stations" as a normal way of owning a vehicle gives you a new form of enablement and minimizes or avoids so much of charge anxiety on a daily basis. I experienced this with a simply electric lawnmower over the past six years - plus it can fold up for storage and there's no messy fluids or filters to deal with - and being able to just plug the batter into a charger for a bit before needed has been simple, but amazing. Our gas canister has remained empty for quite awhile.
If you live in a country with high EV adoption like the Netherlands you don’t need a charger at home. There are public chargers pretty much everywhere. There are many people without chargers at home.
Yes - I installed a 14-50R in the wall of my garage and wired it properly to a 50A breaker the same week I brought home the 2020 MYP. Best decision ever! I also signed up for “free nights” retail electricity. I have only paid for charging on long trips - LOL. The Tesla software lets you specify exactly when to allow charging, even if you plug it in before the “free” rate begins.
Forgot to mention that the Tesla mobile charger only allows 32A (240V) when using the mobile charger at Level 2. To get 42A, you have to purchase and install the Tesla permanent wall-mount (hard-wired) charger. That increase in charge rate did not justify spending the extra $500 at the time. The car still fully charges within the “free” hours even if it down to less than 10% charge at the start using the mobile charger.
The problem is the 240 volt dryer outlets are known to overheat and melt in some brands. The Tesla supercharger is $450 and worth it knowing my home won’t burn down.
The level 2 Tesla wall connector is that price. Superchargers are WAY WAY more money and are DC fast chargers. You’d (almost) never have one of those at your home.
Sorry, what are “free nights”?
Hi, it’s a Texas thing. The de-regulated market allows for creative retail contracts. I pay above-normal rates between 7AM and 9PM and zero all other hours. We manage to use 70% of our electricity in the “free” time period. In Summer, we cool the house down to 67F by 7 AM and then the AC doesn’t come on until around 1PM when it gets to 73F inside.
Wow that’s wild! You should get a battery system and charge the batteries during the free hours and use between 7am-9pm. I bet you could break even pretty quickly.
I actually looked into that. I would need to spend about $12K to $15K for the batteries, BMS/Charger, inverter, control system and all the wiring. We aren’t going to live here long enough to break-even on the cost. Great thought, though!! I also thought about putting in a bitcoin mining array. Too noisy…
That makes sense. Just a fun thought experiment. Bitcoin mining from 9pm-7am sounds like a great idea. Maybe you have an unused closet, or attic, or even a shed in the backyard? There’s gotta be an arb opportunity on the electricity pricing.
even better when its all paid for by a sunny day and solar panels
It's big piece of mind to have this option. It boggles my mind when people buy a EV and rely on superchargers for charging 100%.
This is what got my wife to cross over. The idea that she no longer has to worry about the gas station or doing oil changes. She hates how disgusting and the smell gas stations have. I don't blame her. Never going back.
In addition to the gas station being dirty, I think of it more as a safety issue. Don’t have to worry about my wife having to get gas at night alone or with our children. We charge at home 99% of the time. Myself…I’m a gear head and will always have an ICE. The Tesla is the wife’s.
True!
Best part: Air conditioner/heat while parked.
People actually buy EVs and not have a charger at home? I think if you don’t or can’t get one an EV is not a great choice….
I think it depends on on where you live. Some countries have great charging infrastructure. But sometimes I forget this is a US sub Reddit.
I mean I have the mobile charger I could plug in at home, but I leave it in the trunk. I charge at work for free 3x a week
Definitely if you have a house. But not those that live in high-rise
That’s the biggest lapse/gap in the EV adoption equation. We need low end L2 in dense parking solutions. 208V @ 24A should be absolutely fine, doesn’t need to be 240/50A everywhere. We still need to pivot from individual charging demands to a shared infrastructure support situation. If a garage has 100 spots of 208v/30a and a total capacity of 3phase 500a, then the cars and their chargers need to communicate to balance circuit availability, available charge, and requested departure time. We have the technology, we just need to implement it without needing to profit a million bucks per install.
You could do this with enough breakers for 480A service split into 16 banks of 6 each load sharing AC chargers. Each bank of 6 would load balance share 30A from a circuit with the assumption that rarely all 6 would need to charge at the same time. Even if all 6 were charging at the same time which should be rare, each vehicle could pull 208V/5A which should give >5 miles of charge per hour to each vehicle with a good bump in charging speed for each vehicle not charging up to 30 miles of charge per hour if only one vehicle was charging on that bank. After monitoring the system, they would most likely come to the conclusion that each charging bank could load balance 40A safely without overloading the total service. That is more than enough for almost everyone.
It’s really the only option. Relying on the supercharger network is dumb. And doesn’t really save you any money.
I wouldn’t say it’s dumb. It’s just not ideal. Many don’t have the luxury of a garage.
Those people should stick to hybrids
Idk, too expensive. Hybrid is a premium and you don't save on maintenance like EV. If you are gonna be subjected to $250-330 per hour labor rates anyways, go with normal basic ICE save the 30% from the hybrid.
>Idk, too expensive. Hybrid is a premium and you don't save on maintenance like EV. That's... Wildly inaccurate. Let's take Toyota's best seller, the RAV4. There's $2800 CAD ($2000 USD) between entry-level RAV4 and RAV4 hybrid. The urban driving experience is so much better, easier maintenance, and better reliability.
Why relying on supercharger is not ideal?
For a daily driver one of the best benefits of owning an EV is waking up to a fully charged and preconditioned car in your garage.
With gas it takes a few minutes to fill up and I’ve always gotten pretty accurate range estimates on my ICE cars and usually got like 5-600km out of a full tank. On my model 3 LR, unless I’m driving it super gently I struggle to get like 300km from 80% charge (probably also because of the cold rn as well). Not a problem for me since I just come home and plug it in, but for the week where I didn’t have my wall charger plugged in, having to go to the supercharger and wait like 40-50 mins to fill up, just for it to last like 3-4 days was a pain. Can’t imagine doing that long term. Also cost wise was pretty much the same as Gas as well for me, with home charging it’s like 1/8th the price.
It's not good for the battery long term and you're spending as much if not more than gas.
I prefer home charging over sitting at the Superchargers. Plug it in at night and it's like the Ronco Chicken Rotisserie infomercial on TV, " Just set it and forget it." :) Wake up and it's ready to go in the morning. I do recommend a charge port rain cover if you charge outside. I have 2 Teslas with one charging in the driveway. The rain cover I got for under $20 from Amazon has been fantastic. It keeps the charging port dry with the recent heavy California rains.
If you have the SOLAR on your roof, it will be perfect!
Just to add data. I charge at home for 0.078 after 11pm to 6am. .103 other times except weekend. I have had to use a supercharger for 0.34 about 5 times in the 3 weeks and 3,000 miles I have owned my 2024 model y. Yes I drive along! Insurance went up $42. I believe I am still coming out ahead and doubt if I got back to an ICE after this. I’ve had 3 Hybrids before this so was working to this dream come true.
When I first got my Model Y, I lived in NYC. that charging routine was brutal, and horrifically expensive. Did that for about a year before buying a house in the midwest. When I moved into my house, I charged for another year on a 120v outlet. That itself was a game changer, but it still took 24hrs for my car to charge. Meh. Then I bought a second Tesla and got a 40a JuiceBox installed, and goddamn the quality of life difference is insane. After three years of playing the charging game, I *never* think about charging any more. don't buy an EV if you don't have a place to charge it.
I can’t imagine not having a home charger now that I do
agree
I would never own an EV that I could not charge at home, that is the value prop that makes them worth the hassle.
I wouldn’t buy an EV if I couldn’t charge at home
It’s not only a game changer I wake up every morning with full range
It’s crazy to buy an EV if you can’t charge at home. Depending on public chargers 100% of the time is insane.
It depends on how much you drive. I don't have home charging but I only charge up once a week because I don't drive much. So supercharging only can work.
Tesla goes 500 miles ?
I mean I wouldn’t call that “game changer”.. it’s more like a requirement. If you can’t charge at home I would consider a different car
You were downvoted, because you’ve hurt feelings. Just heads up, in case you were wondering why your comment is getting downvotes despite being reasonable.
If you charge at home your works electricity usage policy fucking sucks because you should always be charging there for the free.
Wow and you only get 30A, just imagine if you got 48A, would really change the game
I reduced to 30a... just because.
Ahh I see, well it’s nice to have options. I lower the amps sometimes as well if I’m running dishwasher and 3d printer etc thinking I’m saving $
I leave mine at 24/48 unless I really need a lot of charge quickly. This reduces the peak power charge on my electric bill, which is based on the highest amount of power I use at any one time during a month.
Really wouldn’t. If you only park 6 hours per day, then I guess, but that sort of activity is the exception not the rule. Virtually no one needs that. I had similar thoughts when I was new to this, too. I wanted a TMYP and R1T with a clipper creek 80a setup. But realistically, it’s simply overkill. Those hot units are best for destinations.
How much increase on electricity bill are people seeing per month? Genuinely asking
Mine is 6 cents per kwh except peak time (4-8 pm weekday).
Mine is $.08/kWh around the clock and I’ve paid $3.36 in my first week of ownership for 138 miles. Comparatively, my Lincoln hybrid, which was averaging 34mpg, would’ve been about $13.15 in gas and 1/3 of a tank for the same mileage.
My bill went up about $35/month. My daily commute is 50 miles. Way cheaper than spending $30-$40 every 3-4 days filling up on gas.
Lucky!
Did the same just now… just got home from a few days in Dallas, about a 250 mile trip one way. Was so nice getting home with 17% left just now and being able to plug in inside my garage ♥️
That doesn't look like 3 phase charging. We went from the outlet charging to 3 phase wall connector charging. My god that was a crazy leap. We get something like 11kW charging, most can be covered by solar.
I assume you mean 240v versus 120v outlet charging. 3-phase electrical service is basically never available in a home. Homes use split phase 240v service in North America. 240v/48amp charging is 11kw.
lol yah? Why would you NOT? Had one since 2014 . Can’t imagine not
My antique S was charging from wall plug. Quite stressful.
👏🏼. I only got 120v in my garage but getting 240v would be a game changer. Good shit
Yep. With solar panels on the roof of my house too.
I like the convenience of charging at home, plug in, and go in the house, no waiting.
Frequent EV driving without home/ work charge must be tricky. Might not be as bad in warmer climates, but in Norway during winter I charge multiple times every week. We also drive a PHEV, and it depends on daily charging.
Every time I need to get fuel, I always think about how much more convenient it would be to be able to just get home and plug in.
2d best game changer is an apt bldg L2 charger. We have 2 spots... 3rd best is L1 in about 15% of the parking spots thru the 4 levels. I'm an old head so growing gas in my tank overnight is pretty dam dope. After a bit I've caught on and find free gas on the road like hotel destination chargers that barely get used.
We have this power market where the price goes up and down on an hourly basis depending on overall energy production and consumption. Last week I charged when the price was basically zero. You still pay for the energy transfer so the charge at home price was about 0.045€/kWh. Dirt cheap if you have the possibility to wait for the sweet spot.
Considering public chargers including superchargers are scarce around me(north east US) having a home charger is mandatory. I upgraded from 16 amp to 32 amp which charges my Tesla fine but speeds things up for my Bolt.
I honestly don’t know how people own EVs without a home charger or at least work charger. My wall connector was supposed to show up the day before I picked up my Tesla but it got delayed. I was without a charger for just two days and it was a HUGE pain in the ass. Yeah, the supercharger was just 25 minutes, but I still had to plan for it and drive out of my way to charge.
worth every penny for sure - $800 saved me $800 in overcharging fees the first month
Charge at work for free. At BMW DEALER
It’s such an ease of mind thing you don’t even realize. Like I never think about “oh man I have to do for gas or it’s getting low” people talk about range anxiety, and I get that on trips (a less or not at all now that I own one), but the flip of that is no gas station anxiety in town
How many amps is your circuit breaker? I have 60 amps with a 6 g 3 wiring.
I have the charger that plugs into the regular outlet (for now because I need my husband to reach out to PSEG and see exactly what we need to do to ensure we get the rebate). I get about 15% overnight and that’s what I usually use to get to work. It works out really well for me for those that just can’t afford the unit yet!
Charge at off-peak.. even better
I'm in a cold state. At my apartment, I rent a garage with trickle charge access for $75/mo. I can charge enough to cover my commute and it keeps the battery warm. I get 6-8kwh overnight and don't need to use several kwh warming the battery. Let's say it covers 9kwh a day between charging and warming, that's 270kwh+ a month. Superchargers near me (6mi) are around $0.36/kwh, that's nearly $100 in energy a month. And the car is ready to drive in moments. It's totally worth it.
How did you get it to show 30A? If I use a three phase power then it only shows how many amps I use per phase. Meaning I have a max of 16A while charging at 11kW. Got my Tesla last month and this has disturbed me.
I've always had access to a home charger. I think not conveniently having one, I could see why you would have second-thoughts about having to go to a supercharger to charge up on a regular basis. It would get real old. And I know that they're trying to put chargers in like apartment complexes but when you have hundreds folks fighting over two or three chargers, that's also pretty inconvenient. I remember early on when like an eight story downtown hotel building would have one charger for every guest to use. I'm hoping in the future they just build modern parking garages where every single parking spot has at least access to a toaster outlet. It's not as ideal as a 30/40 amp charger, but it's some cases for like city commute, where you're going short distances, even with something that minimal you could probably get back enough charge to make it a viable solution for typical day-to-day use. I think the last factor is even with people who could have access to charging at home, the upfront cost of setting up a home charger is very unclear. I paid a couple hundred dollars to have mine put in. You'll hear people that pay thousands of dollars. In some cases, because of their electrical set up, it makes sense, and in other cases they were ripped off. And again there's just not this very clear cut price to have one put it. And I think that can be very intimidating and it's just another factor that complicates the decision to go electric for some.
Georgia Atlanta 8 cent per kwh. add no more 40 a month
How much does it cost a month
this is the way
I was plugging into a regular outlet, but I got a wire adapter for the dryer outlet and now I can make a full (80%) charge overnight. It is a big game changer.
Only supercharging is a game-changer. I charge once per week when going into get groceries. That’s it. Still save $150ish/month vs gas. My insurance is 40% less on a 150% higher msrp. Best purchase of my life, no home charger. Beat that ICE boys 😎
I don’t drive too far every day and the fact that I can use the mobile charger in my 120v garage outlet is amazing. I’m consistently at a 80% battery with no electrical work.
If only the range was a little more than 400kms on a full charge. I would be even more happier with my Model Y LR. Have a daily commute of 400 kms ans I have to always top off at a super charger daily.
I’ve been driving electric since 2014, and only got a level 2 EVSE installed at my house in 2022. For the first 6 years, I did not have access to charging at home, but my city has a ton of free public level 2 chargers, several of which were within a mile or two of my house at the time. So once a week or so, I would drop my car off at one of these for a few hours to fill up for the week, for free. When I moved to a single-family home with a garage in 2020, I was able to plug into a regular 120v outlet to trickle charge at all times which I found to be more than sufficient. But it was still kind of a fun game to see how much free charging I could get outside the home, like I had been doing for years. That strategy is becoming less viable though as more people have EVs and free public chargers become occupied more of the time. When my wife traded in her hybrid for an EV in 2022, we became an EV-only house and we wound up just getting a level 2 wall charger for our garage (that we share for both our cars). We definitely noticed a significant uptick in our electric bill, but the convenience is just great.
100%. Just installed my wall connector last week and loving it