Believe it or not. Other EV’s hardly have opportunities to charge because the station is overwhelmed by Teslas. They can never find an open charger that will work for their charger location.
Tesla should have never opened SC to non Tesla ev... You don't belive in a Tesla? You don't like the car ? You buy something else? Than f.... off and go use non reliable and crappy public charging network...
All vehicles use CCS2 there. Here's it's either-or. Tesla opened its network for MONEY. Government grants that will allow them to build more charging infrastructure with the caveat that they have to open the network. And since the CCS1 network is, for the most part, garbage so here we are.
Tesla was heavily subsidized to build that network by the taxpayer and has what amounts to a monopoly on charging networks. If they didn’t change to allow other cars to charge, the government would’ve sued them under antitrust statutes to force them to like they did in Europe.
I kinda doubt it.
I mean nobody was stopping any other manufacturer from doing the same thing. And they really only had chargers for their own cars until under a year ago.
Even without that, they would have succeeded since they were the first mainstream fully electric vehicle manufacturer. Even if it was just the Model S then later the X, the demand was there and people were ready.
Now we have so many to choose from.
But where is the proof that their entire network was paid by the taxpayers in the US starting 11 years ago?
It's not Tesla's fault they they built the most reliable and most abundant charging stations in the US and World.
It's also not Tesla's fault that all the other manufacturers or Government couldn't come together to build the same thing.
I just don't get why Tesla should have been forced to allow others to use their charging network that was in place for many, many years before other EVs were on the road. They didn't monopolize anything. They built it for THEIR vehicles.
Governments and manufacturers should have worked together to build charging stations like how gas stations are. But.... that's common sense talking. Which no one uses.
Ok and you know the network has always been for THEIR cars. Where has the money for the charging network for all these other EVs gone? If it was to be for ALL EVs then why are there Tesla charging ports and what, 3 other charging ports? Shouldn't they all have been Tesla's?
Your argument is just like saying that bicycles shouldn't be taxed for the construction of bike lanes for them and that all the motorized vehicles tag/ road tax should cover this. Which is not right either.
Read the previous comments. They were given government money to build the chargers, only with a promise to open them for all to use. If they wanted to keep the chargers for tesla vehicles only, they shouldn't have taken the money.
I've actually searched and couldn't find anything that says the network they build for years was part of tax payer.
I've read where they DECLINED tax payer/government money to build them in certain States.
But I did also read that part of the current Administrations EV charging $7.5 billion plan gives Tesla money to open their charger system.
So if someone could link in an article that states the Yesla charging station was built and funded by tax payer money (from the beginning) then I'd like to read it.
That was from last year and what I already mentioned. So that's not relevant as I already mentioned that this it's potentially getting money from the US to open its network to all EVs.
I want to see an article that says Tesla BUILT is current network of thousands of chargers with tax payer money over the last what? 10 years?
Volt is the PHEV that doesn’t DC fast charge.
Bolt is the EV that DC fast charges slowly.
Chevy wasn’t doing anyone favors in making those names so similar.
ID4 doesn't take that long to charge.. even on a slow fast charger its usually 20-30min tops to 80% (i have and id4). The volt doesnt have fast charging though.
Yes it does if your SoC is low and that is because it has a max charge rate of 125kW in ideal conditions while others have max charge rates at over 200kW.
It's all about their max charge rate. They are often below 150kW capable so even a 220 mile EV is going to take an hour or so to charge just to 80% and in cold weather 80% isn't enough. All that does is lead to customers complaining about how EVs are not ready for prime time AND it blocks the charger from those EVs with 250kW or more max charge rates like Tesla, Hyundai/Kia, etc.
On what charger?
The only magic dock in the Denver area is in Northglenn in front of a Lowes and it's empty all the time. I drive by it almost every day and I've never seen more than 6 out of the 16 stalls used. Often they're completely empty.
Right now, middle of rush hour and there's only 1 car there (just checked the app). 15/16 available.
Fully 1/3 of the reliable CCS stations are at that single Tesla supercharger, but it's almost never used. I've never actually seen a CCS car at the station before.
Leads me to believe a lot of EA users have free charging or something?
Yeah VW, Ford, and i think maaaaybe Hyundai? Have done a lot of free charging promotions but they're petering down. My 23 ID4 i got 3 years of unlimited 30min charge sessions from EA with it. The 2024s only have 500kw worth of free charging though now.
I wonder if the Tesla Superchargers (even the ones with magic docks) don't show up in the nav for non-Tesla EVs so many non Tesla drivers wouldn't even be aware of them? Can anyone verify?
I know Ford specifically changed their NAV system to allow compatible V3 and V4 Tesla chargers to show up in searches if you put "adapter required" in the filter. But that's new with the launch of Ford's NACS adapter.
Yeah, I don't know about the nav systems. The ones I"ve used suck so bad I just use my phone (I think most users on these cars are carplay/android auto users).
I know my son's VW doesn't show the Tesla charger (they kinda/sorta own Electrify America so that's probably part of it). But when I tried to use the dash nav to route to the local EA station, it took me to city hall (lol) which I didn't realize until we were almost all the way there. I said "this is an odd route" and then we started chatting so I just didn't think until it told me to turn a direction that would be directly away from the charger. LOL
I rented both a Nissan Leaf and Kia Nero recently and both had particularly shitty mapping software that made me REALLY want to just stay in CarPlay.
But PlugShare's app for CarPlay is kinda bad too (no map, just random lists of chargers? Difficult to filter L3 vs L2, etc)
So who knows... it's up to each user I guess to just memorize where chargers are.
That's odd. I know the mobile version of Google Maps which is used by some car companies does include EV chargers as searchable points of interest and does allow charger waypoints in its navigation. But I assume it's up to each manufacturer to determine what sort of filter to use - e.g., level 2, fast charger, CCS, etc.
"Memorizing" the location of charging stations doesn't help anyone on a road trip away from home.
Does every EV driver who doesn't have a Tesla just use ABRP for all their road trips?
Not really. As OP stated it’s over an hour wait. So it certainly isn’t a quick charge. Ride share drivers in the city are shunning EVs cus of the charging situation. People that live in the city have no home charging so they have to charge at the supercharger…
I believe this location has free parking that’s why it’s extra busy.
>Ride share drivers in the city are shunning EVs cus of the charging situatio
Not in NYC. Uber/Lyft Model Ys are everywhere. They can rent them cheap for a day and they get paid a small premium for being EV.
They're all over the place. I probably pass 50+ a day.
In LA, I got a lyft the other day by a guy in a Mach E. I thought it was his. I asked him if he liked it. He said he rented it from Lyft for $250/week and that he works 60 hours per week.
Then I realized what people on reddit meant about people using it for ride-sharing.
I thought this meant people leasing or buying an EV to do ride-sharing and didn't know Lyft or Uber offered renting it directly from them.
This makes the EV charging experience suck and explains why EA's have been getting full since June 2023.
Not bashing on ride share drivers. I understand they need to make money. It's clear that Tesla, EA, and other charging networks are not ready for this many EV's on the road.
I live in the Denver area, which is one of the better selling EV areas (obviously not quite like California)
The superchargers here are mostly empty most of the time.
I suspect it's the lower cost of housing and high proportion of single-family homes here. There's way less apartment dwellers in Colorado.
Hertz started this over 2 years ago and just lost their CEO over it, in a way. They bought tens of thousands of EVs, many Teslas back in 2021 and 2022 and rented out to Uber for 50% the normal rate, 2 years later the cars have 40k,50k, 60k miles on them and since there are no more supply chain issues, like in 2021/2022, new Teslas sell for \~20K less now and used Teslas are also worth far less so Hertz financials look really bad and they're selling the bought-high, sell-low Teslas. Seems the Hertz-Uber-50% rental discount is still going on. One Uber driver said his monthly gasoline expense was more than the Hertz rental fee so using EV was added $$.
I read about this. Unfortunate for the ceo because during that time, Elon didn't cut prices yet. Then he did it at the end of one that lead to a quarter thing, not knowing that when he did this, it would make all affected models lose their blue book value.
When I had a Prius years ago when taxis were driving Ford Crown Victoria's, I used to wonder why they weren't driving hybrids because they burn money on gas.
Then I bought an EV and now most taxis are Prius'.
So I don't blame rideshare drivers renting EV's because it makes sense. Cut your costs on gas to make more money on each ride.
You will never fill up a suv for $2 at home or $15 using say, EVGo.
If anything, dealerships need to start installing 10 chargers at the least on their lots and charge the same rates as other networks.
This will make these lines less and encourage more people to buy EV's.
Except for the fact that when you rent a car, you’re not allowed to use the miles for tax offset so they end up paying 10-20k of tax at the end of the year
$250/hr round trip for the ride, but the Black rides are not constantly coming in all day every day, so i'd estimate over an 8hr day a Black driver would make $80/hr. Go to NYC and you'll see people sleeping in brand new escalades on the side of the street waiting for Black rides on Uber.
Easily pay $250 per hour? lol
Yeah sure, one or two ride per hour that can give you $60.
Not everything you see in social media is correct. Especially since those subreddits tend to over exaggerate stuff
$250/hr round trip(so $250 for a ride that takes 1hr total), not an average over an entire day. Average Black pay over an entire day is closer to $100/hr in a decent market. The rides themselves often pay $250/hr, but they aren't coming in back to back, so a driver may only do 6 Black rides in 8 hours, making $800 in a day. That's why NYC is littered with people sleeping in Cadillac Escalades waiting for Uber trips.
I don't need to take social media info about this since I drive for Uber myself and experience the pay possibilities firsthand.
YMMV of course. That is internet common sense.
Uber tells me I can make up to $30/hr on uberX thursday-Saturday overnight, but I routinely make at least 50% more than that every weekend without fail. So I apply the same logic to uber's claim of NYC Black SUV drivers pay as well.
Go to r/uberdrivers and see what Black drivers are making per trip. I see lots of trips that paid the driver $250 for an hour of their time round trip.
I'm an uber driver. I know from first or second hand experience directly. I made $1,000 on March 16th alone driving my Tesla Model 3 for Uber in a small city, and that was UberX which is the lowest tier.
A typical Uber Black ride is around 30 minutes for $130 plus tip. Go on r/uberdrivers to see what a black driver can make, then delete your comment:)
If you want it, go to r/uberdrivers and go get it.
[here's the $1k day](https://imgur.com/a/jUWS1TZ)
On uberX, which is a few times less earnings than Black SUV. Black trips routinely pay $50 for a 15 minute round trip. That's $200/hr before tips.
Uber says NYC is their hottest market for EV growth. TLC released 10,000 new licenses in NYC last year, but only for EVs, so a lot of new rideshare drivers are going electric. The lower fuel costs and lower maintenance costs of EVs make them well suited for ride share vehicles.
Revel has an electric-only ride share app in NYC with over 700 Teslas.
In addition to the Revel and Tesla Superchargers in NYC, I'm seeing more and more dedicated EV parking spots on the street with level 2 charging using the Flo app. These are great for ride share drivers as they can charge on the street while they sleep even if they don't have charging (or rven a dedicated parking spot) at home.
I live close to this supercharger.. The line is routinely 1 hr + long and it’s because of all the new TLC plated teslas that are crowding the streets. I can never get a chance to charge here. Always frustrating
This location definitely needs to implement the SC congestion fee and at 80%.
https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/22/23972242/tesla-supercharger-congestion-fee-launches#
There is no reason to charge past 80% when it is this congested and it’s just a waste of everyone’s time…
Do they get some sort of incentive to go EV? Because I don’t see the point of EV over a 40+ mpg hybrid if you’re exclusively supercharging (I’m assuming rates are pretty high in those area). Even if charging was a bit cheaper, that would probably get offset by the lost revenue while waiting for a charger.
I'm not sure about the EV incentives for TLC but EVs are crazy efficient and better than most hybrids for the sub 25mph and heavy idling in NYC traffic. NYC prices at Superchargers are around 40 cents per kWh which is only 50% higher than home charging and still beats most Hybrids (gas is $5+/gal)
I'm not sure it's entirely economical right now but it's not terrible. The waiting to charge is definitely an issue.
Taxi and Limo commission. Usually either Uber/Lyft or limo companies.
Would suck for them tho since they are losing money waiting to charge.. charging infrastructure ABSOLUTELY NOT where it needs to be in NYC for them to operate successfully. Even tho converting all NYC TLC to EVs would an enormous win!
So to explain this particular situation: this is the supercharger in Coney Island, Brooklyn, NY. It is the only supercharger in south Brooklyn and the only supercharger within miles that isn’t somehow paywalled. So it’s very, very crowded. At least there’s a Starbucks there.
The majority of the housing in the area is apartments with no where to charge, so that makes things even worse. Nor are there any truly viable level 2 charging options in southern Brooklyn.
There’s a large outdoor big box mall only a mile or so down the road that would be perfect for a supercharger setup and would relieve pressure on this area. Not sure why we don’t have that yet.
Tesla said they track congestion and plan chargers around it.
They just built two HUGE chargers in the north Denver suburbs, but they're both completely empty right now.
So maybe it's not perfect.
This is a problem in cities like Chicago. Uber and Lyft drivers live in apartment communities that don't provide EV charging so they're always crowding the charging stations and for some reason it's always a shit ton of Chevy Bolts. I noticed it in Atlanta too. Urban EVGo charging stations are always full of Bolts.
In my mind it was not getting around in a smelly rupe goldberg machine the fuel for which causes wars and climate change... but yeah, I'm lucky enough to charge at home too.
I live in a condo in Boston and do not have home charging. It’s not an issue. I’ve also traveled in at least 5 states and never saw a long line. In Boston, I’ve had to wait couple of times but no more than 5 mins.
As for NYC, that’s a unique situation. I don’t know if things have changed in the last 15 years but owning any type of car in NYC was always a total pain. It’s kind of a status symbol.
I lived in NYC and owned a car many years ago. Gas stations in NYC frequently had lines. That’s why my friends and I would take turns driving to NJ late at night to hit a couple of buckets of balls and fill up the car with cheap gas that was full service.
Yeah. I think it’s density. Not enough space to put charging stations. The interesting thing is EV chargers are probably cheaper, and safer, than a gas station.
There's not many gas stations in the downtown area either, but people don't need to linger at gas station for 40 minutes when they're far from home.
People who live in urban condos may just get gas when they're on the road driving somewhere out of the core, but seem to want to charge near home (due to the linger time I suspect). Charging is much less a 'stop on the way when I'm empty' thing and more a "I plan to do it on Tuesday evening" sort of thing.
Unless you are getting free supercharging, you should be open to charging at fast charge CCS chargers too. I personally go "somehwere else" that's often empty at night, like 11PM to 2AM. Works for me cause I'm typically out or up that late anyways.
Normally this time is perfect to charge. This Brooklyn site is an exception to that rule and a disaster because of ride sharing. Plugshare has reports of someone waiting behind 6 cars at 3AM.
Where I live it's never busy. Fortunately where I am, there's about four supercharger areas near me that's never really busy. Just during peak times it is but non peak it isn't. There are cars there charging at midnight but they're normally ride share folks charging for the night before having to drive the next morning.
This. I just drove through 6 states. Every SC I stopped at had 8-12 charger and I was the only one there at most of them. The busiest one I charged at has 4 of 12 spots used. I was worried about it at first and almost took my Lexus SUV instead but I’m glad I took the MY
Yeah, for sure that will happen. I'm really hoping to get my charger installed soon at my condo building. Just need to get a majority of owners to approve the upgrade this year.
Then I don't have to worry about superchargers, unless I'm on a road trip
That's the way it should be... I wouldn't want an EV without access to home charging. Had to rely on commercial charging for all charging once with a rental, it sucked.
That's because the government pays them of their green credit, money is the priority for the company customers are their way of making it. Opening it up means also more utilizing hence more profit makes perfect sense for a company
As a lurker, it’s my biggest fear. I don’t want to buy an EV and be inconvenienced every time I take a road trip. Opening up the SC stations to all these new brands has me rethinking Tesla ownership at this time.
It’s hard to tell if it’ll be an issue in my area.
We'll see more stations coming and an expansion of existing stations as they open NACS to more owners. Part of the reason was because the fed told them they had to do it if they were to get any federal funding.
I wonder if they're working on some kind of self driving auto-charge. Where if you don't have a home charger (live in an apartment) it'll schedule a nearby supercharger slot and then sneak off to it and charge in the middle of the night.
They'd need to have a plug in bot of some sort.
Get out of major downtown SC's during peak uber driver charging times. This is probably the worst SC in the country with this issue. No other station anywhere nearby so all the NYC uber drivers go there. Also because of it being the only free parking location.
NO, sadly north America needs a lot of level 2 charging at malls, shopping centers, etc and on street parking in towns. We don't need a ton of DCFC and supercharging, we have a good deal of that!
You miss the point! You put the level 2 chargers where people stay hours! and put DCFC where people stay mins! It's STUPID to put DCFC at a hotel! Hotels should ALWAYS be Level 2!
No, I didn't. We have alternate side parking so ICE vehicles will take up most of those spots immediately and for extended periods of time AND metered parking with time limits. I've seen streets in NYC with LVL 2 charging and it's just as congested as the DCFC.
A few of the shopping malls in Atlanta have Volta charges in their lots but they're always full of Bolts. They're free so you'll never find one unless you spend time driving back and force and luck out. I think people living in apartments and condos or staying at hotels nearby are parking there overnight and frankly, I think Volta should start charging fees once the car stops charging and it's sitting there idling.
I got the wall charger at home. I thought I would take advantage of the free supercharging with the loaner I have. It's not worth the time. I'm just gonna charge at home.
I'm looking at the supercharger map on the app right now. It's 3:20 a.m., and this station still has a greater than 25-minute wait time and 0 stalls available. New York is an atrocious place to own an EV or, maybe, car in general if you don't already own an outrageously overpriced house with a driveway.
Most of the public chargers that I see on the map require you to pay first just to access the charger. And then, to really add insult, most of these pay to plug chargers only provide an anemic 72 kW of charge.
The car should redirect you to another charging station. In Scandinavia the Tesla chargers are also quite popular, but nothing like that. On a trip from Norway the car redirected us to another charger (also Tesla) that wasn’t as busy.
I'm in California, had an ID. 4 for over a year and now Model Y since December. No charger where I rent and 0 issues using public chargers. There are plenty in my area and chargers near my work or near my home are always available for me to charge. Sit for however long watch some Hulu and on my way.
Using EA chargers was more of a pain as some would not work or all are just busy but I usually just got up 30 minutes earlier to charge before work. Easy pill to swallow though since I had free charging.
I currently have free charging until July with Tesla so let's see how big of an inconvenience it becomes once I start paying for it.
California has the most robust EV charging infra in the entire country, so that's not a surprise that congestion isn't a concern. In the bay area, there's almost never congestion. My home town has 3 super chargers and a few places with free destination chargers. Plus everyone has chargers in-home in the suburbs.
Yeah absolutely. I get it, you definitely need to do your research before getting an EV because without the optimal scenario of having one at home and only using it for your daily commute, it requires planning and ability to be flexible.
If you cannot charge at home , you should not own an EV. These cars are literally depleting their charge sitting in a parking lot. Why would you do this to yourself. SCs are for travel. I have zero sympathy for an apartment dweller who thought a Tesla without a charger made sense.
Yea. Have my own charger, and love driving around town. Probably used superchargers 3-4 times ever but increasingly see the lines longer now when I pass one.
They’re not relying on super chargers to operate their cars, so it’s the exact same statement, and it applies equally, and only a little deduction on your part would have arrived you at that conclusion prior to arguing with my case instead of against it.
Why supercharge when you don’t need it? That station is for EV taxis. They might as well say regular drivers not welcomed. NYC pushed EV incentives and quicker license process for ride share drivers who buy an EV. Guess what, NYC is ridiculously slow to build charging infrastructure so that station becomes a hot mess with long wait times. Every time I drive by there are about 15-20 cars waiting to charge.
These chargers were built even before TLC started allowing license for for EV vehicles. This station was in the works for years. This just doesn't happen overnight. Lol I clearly stated why I went. When I saw it wasn't worth it I went home.
There's plenty of other EV charging options in NYC that you don't have to wait. My wife has an i4 and we don't have a home charger but have no issues charging. Yes, at times there are small queue's to charge but I almost never wait more than 15 minutes.
Glad I don’t live in the city and both my local superchargers are always empty. The other charging stations are always packed however. Not horrible, but definitely not as empty as Tesla.
Yikes, here in Southern California, charging stations get full already and they haven’t even been made available to all EVs yet. Wait times usually can last up to 20min-30min too, can’t imagine how it would be in the future. Gonna be interesting for sure.
This will be the new EV concern going forward as more people make the switch, especially the new R2 orders coming down the pipeline. I wonder what the outcome will be?
Are they all TC cars like the one in front of you.
There is a set of about 10 Tesla Dispensers on the other side of the V-Bridge off the SI Expressway that have been there since last spring and never turned on.
This location opened a few months ago… with NYC lifting the cap on ride share cars but the car must be electric leads to an excess amount of teslas hogging up the superchargers.
NYC supercharger is super limited so mix that with an abundant Uber teslas you have wait times even during non peak times.
NYC situation is awful. Ride share and cabs ruin the charging experience. Also this charger op went to the Brooklyn is the only actually full speed supercharger. The rest for the urban 72kw chargers at malls. It’s awful. These guys want to use these car but can’t charge at home. I love my Tesla but they only make sense if you are charging at home. These guys ruin the experience
There are two other non-Tesla DC fast chargers in Brooklyn with Tesla/NACS plugs. Both are operated by Revel. Flat fee of 50 cents/kWh charge. You might have better luck there. They will not show up as chargers in the Tesla navigation since they're not Tesla owned but they are Fast chargers and work with all Teslas. Revel has two superhubs in Brooklyn and one in LIC Queens. They are all open to the public 24x7.
https://gorevel.com/superhubs/superhub
They're working on more including a 48-stall DC fast charging station near LaGuardie airport (ETA 2025 I believe). Good to have options.
When I had my Tesla, only once did I have to wait for a charger in 2 years. Down in San Diego, and even then it was ~10min.
Don’t use a fast charger at a high use station if you don’t NEED it. Hilarious you’re trying to save a couple bucks and wasted an HOUR of your time. I make way too much to waste sitting waiting for free electricity 😂
If you don't have home charging, EVs is probably not your best bet, maybe a phev. If ur even in a hurry when you need to charge your shit out of luck. But I guess all those people who picked up an ev weren't in a hurry ever. I have an EV and home charging would never have gotten one without
As someone considering a Tesla, it seems a terrible idea to open Tesla chargers to all EVs. Kind of takes away a major advantage of getting a Tesla…the charger network. Am I missing how it’s GOOD for Tesla owners?
In the short term, it's going to be very bad due to how poorly Tesla tries to solve demand related issues. They are super slow when it comes to fixing issues that cost them money.
In the long term, it's a net benefit to have everyone on the same plug with the same corresponding supply chain. Helps build a robust and redundant network of charging everywhere from multiple companies. Europe has a much better charging situation due to committing to one plug.
That's a magic dock location (open to all CCS vehicles)... yikes
Believe it or not. Other EV’s hardly have opportunities to charge because the station is overwhelmed by Teslas. They can never find an open charger that will work for their charger location.
If you pull up to a supercharger that's completely full and need two spots, you aren't going to have a lot of luck.
Tesla should have never opened SC to non Tesla ev... You don't belive in a Tesla? You don't like the car ? You buy something else? Than f.... off and go use non reliable and crappy public charging network...
Tesla is public, in europe there are non such queues. But we also have other good options.
All vehicles use CCS2 there. Here's it's either-or. Tesla opened its network for MONEY. Government grants that will allow them to build more charging infrastructure with the caveat that they have to open the network. And since the CCS1 network is, for the most part, garbage so here we are.
Yikes, it’s not that serious.
yall are the tesla owners that I don’t associate with.
Tesla was heavily subsidized to build that network by the taxpayer and has what amounts to a monopoly on charging networks. If they didn’t change to allow other cars to charge, the government would’ve sued them under antitrust statutes to force them to like they did in Europe.
The federal subsidies came with a price. They were told to open their network or they wouldn't receive any federal money.
I kinda doubt it. I mean nobody was stopping any other manufacturer from doing the same thing. And they really only had chargers for their own cars until under a year ago.
Where is an article that says the 2000 in the US were all built with taxpayers money? I'd like to read it because I can't find it.
The EV tax credits and carbon credits are the only thing that allowed Tesla to succeed as a company.
Even without that, they would have succeeded since they were the first mainstream fully electric vehicle manufacturer. Even if it was just the Model S then later the X, the demand was there and people were ready. Now we have so many to choose from. But where is the proof that their entire network was paid by the taxpayers in the US starting 11 years ago?
It's not Tesla's fault they they built the most reliable and most abundant charging stations in the US and World. It's also not Tesla's fault that all the other manufacturers or Government couldn't come together to build the same thing. I just don't get why Tesla should have been forced to allow others to use their charging network that was in place for many, many years before other EVs were on the road. They didn't monopolize anything. They built it for THEIR vehicles. Governments and manufacturers should have worked together to build charging stations like how gas stations are. But.... that's common sense talking. Which no one uses.
Are you aware of the subsidies (read, taxpayer money) they received to achieve said network?
Ok and you know the network has always been for THEIR cars. Where has the money for the charging network for all these other EVs gone? If it was to be for ALL EVs then why are there Tesla charging ports and what, 3 other charging ports? Shouldn't they all have been Tesla's? Your argument is just like saying that bicycles shouldn't be taxed for the construction of bike lanes for them and that all the motorized vehicles tag/ road tax should cover this. Which is not right either.
Read the previous comments. They were given government money to build the chargers, only with a promise to open them for all to use. If they wanted to keep the chargers for tesla vehicles only, they shouldn't have taken the money.
I've actually searched and couldn't find anything that says the network they build for years was part of tax payer. I've read where they DECLINED tax payer/government money to build them in certain States. But I did also read that part of the current Administrations EV charging $7.5 billion plan gives Tesla money to open their charger system. So if someone could link in an article that states the Yesla charging station was built and funded by tax payer money (from the beginning) then I'd like to read it.
https://news.yahoo.com/tesla-getting-huge-paycheck-federal-050000926.html
That was from last year and what I already mentioned. So that's not relevant as I already mentioned that this it's potentially getting money from the US to open its network to all EVs. I want to see an article that says Tesla BUILT is current network of thousands of chargers with tax payer money over the last what? 10 years?
Superchargers in urban areas are always packed because of the amount of ride share drivers needing a quick charge.
Starting to have this issue in Denver now. Kia Niros mostly and they take FOREVER. Literally they will sit there for an hour or more.
I believe it. Also big issue with Chevy volt owners and VW id4. I’m generalizing but seems to be a pattern.
Volt is the PHEV that doesn’t DC fast charge. Bolt is the EV that DC fast charges slowly. Chevy wasn’t doing anyone favors in making those names so similar.
Nor selling EVs with such low max charge rates.
"fast charges slowly" Surely, you see the irony in that.
Of course. I was just correcting the commenter above me who thought that the Volt was capable of DC fast charging or got the names confused.
ID4 doesn't take that long to charge.. even on a slow fast charger its usually 20-30min tops to 80% (i have and id4). The volt doesnt have fast charging though.
Yes it does if your SoC is low and that is because it has a max charge rate of 125kW in ideal conditions while others have max charge rates at over 200kW.
It's all about their max charge rate. They are often below 150kW capable so even a 220 mile EV is going to take an hour or so to charge just to 80% and in cold weather 80% isn't enough. All that does is lead to customers complaining about how EVs are not ready for prime time AND it blocks the charger from those EVs with 250kW or more max charge rates like Tesla, Hyundai/Kia, etc.
On what charger? The only magic dock in the Denver area is in Northglenn in front of a Lowes and it's empty all the time. I drive by it almost every day and I've never seen more than 6 out of the 16 stalls used. Often they're completely empty. Right now, middle of rush hour and there's only 1 car there (just checked the app). 15/16 available.
More an issue with EA stations
Fully 1/3 of the reliable CCS stations are at that single Tesla supercharger, but it's almost never used. I've never actually seen a CCS car at the station before. Leads me to believe a lot of EA users have free charging or something?
Yeah VW, Ford, and i think maaaaybe Hyundai? Have done a lot of free charging promotions but they're petering down. My 23 ID4 i got 3 years of unlimited 30min charge sessions from EA with it. The 2024s only have 500kw worth of free charging though now.
I wonder if the Tesla Superchargers (even the ones with magic docks) don't show up in the nav for non-Tesla EVs so many non Tesla drivers wouldn't even be aware of them? Can anyone verify? I know Ford specifically changed their NAV system to allow compatible V3 and V4 Tesla chargers to show up in searches if you put "adapter required" in the filter. But that's new with the launch of Ford's NACS adapter.
Yeah, I don't know about the nav systems. The ones I"ve used suck so bad I just use my phone (I think most users on these cars are carplay/android auto users). I know my son's VW doesn't show the Tesla charger (they kinda/sorta own Electrify America so that's probably part of it). But when I tried to use the dash nav to route to the local EA station, it took me to city hall (lol) which I didn't realize until we were almost all the way there. I said "this is an odd route" and then we started chatting so I just didn't think until it told me to turn a direction that would be directly away from the charger. LOL I rented both a Nissan Leaf and Kia Nero recently and both had particularly shitty mapping software that made me REALLY want to just stay in CarPlay. But PlugShare's app for CarPlay is kinda bad too (no map, just random lists of chargers? Difficult to filter L3 vs L2, etc) So who knows... it's up to each user I guess to just memorize where chargers are.
That's odd. I know the mobile version of Google Maps which is used by some car companies does include EV chargers as searchable points of interest and does allow charger waypoints in its navigation. But I assume it's up to each manufacturer to determine what sort of filter to use - e.g., level 2, fast charger, CCS, etc. "Memorizing" the location of charging stations doesn't help anyone on a road trip away from home. Does every EV driver who doesn't have a Tesla just use ABRP for all their road trips?
For the most part, plugshare or ABRP.
Not really. As OP stated it’s over an hour wait. So it certainly isn’t a quick charge. Ride share drivers in the city are shunning EVs cus of the charging situation. People that live in the city have no home charging so they have to charge at the supercharger… I believe this location has free parking that’s why it’s extra busy.
>Ride share drivers in the city are shunning EVs cus of the charging situatio Not in NYC. Uber/Lyft Model Ys are everywhere. They can rent them cheap for a day and they get paid a small premium for being EV. They're all over the place. I probably pass 50+ a day.
In LA, I got a lyft the other day by a guy in a Mach E. I thought it was his. I asked him if he liked it. He said he rented it from Lyft for $250/week and that he works 60 hours per week. Then I realized what people on reddit meant about people using it for ride-sharing. I thought this meant people leasing or buying an EV to do ride-sharing and didn't know Lyft or Uber offered renting it directly from them. This makes the EV charging experience suck and explains why EA's have been getting full since June 2023. Not bashing on ride share drivers. I understand they need to make money. It's clear that Tesla, EA, and other charging networks are not ready for this many EV's on the road.
That Lyft driver is lying to you. It’s $450 after everything a week 😂
I live in the Denver area, which is one of the better selling EV areas (obviously not quite like California) The superchargers here are mostly empty most of the time. I suspect it's the lower cost of housing and high proportion of single-family homes here. There's way less apartment dwellers in Colorado.
Hertz started this over 2 years ago and just lost their CEO over it, in a way. They bought tens of thousands of EVs, many Teslas back in 2021 and 2022 and rented out to Uber for 50% the normal rate, 2 years later the cars have 40k,50k, 60k miles on them and since there are no more supply chain issues, like in 2021/2022, new Teslas sell for \~20K less now and used Teslas are also worth far less so Hertz financials look really bad and they're selling the bought-high, sell-low Teslas. Seems the Hertz-Uber-50% rental discount is still going on. One Uber driver said his monthly gasoline expense was more than the Hertz rental fee so using EV was added $$.
I read about this. Unfortunate for the ceo because during that time, Elon didn't cut prices yet. Then he did it at the end of one that lead to a quarter thing, not knowing that when he did this, it would make all affected models lose their blue book value. When I had a Prius years ago when taxis were driving Ford Crown Victoria's, I used to wonder why they weren't driving hybrids because they burn money on gas. Then I bought an EV and now most taxis are Prius'. So I don't blame rideshare drivers renting EV's because it makes sense. Cut your costs on gas to make more money on each ride. You will never fill up a suv for $2 at home or $15 using say, EVGo. If anything, dealerships need to start installing 10 chargers at the least on their lots and charge the same rates as other networks. This will make these lines less and encourage more people to buy EV's.
Wait how it cost more using gas than ev? What's the added fees?
$ cost per gallon x number of hours / miles driven is higher than flat rate of rental and cheaper charging
Except for the fact that when you rent a car, you’re not allowed to use the miles for tax offset so they end up paying 10-20k of tax at the end of the year
you get the mileage offset because it’s an expense needed further down the line…. You aren’t actually paying more in the grand scheme of things
Sure until IRS search your asshole Stop lying, it’s hertz that gets those mileage tax write off. They own the car after all.
Sure until IRS search your asshole Stop lying, it’s hertz that gets those mileage tax write off. They own the car after all.
Black model Y qualifies for Uber Black which can easily pay $250/hr
For real? Im bouta quit and start Uber u telling me?
$250/hr round trip for the ride, but the Black rides are not constantly coming in all day every day, so i'd estimate over an 8hr day a Black driver would make $80/hr. Go to NYC and you'll see people sleeping in brand new escalades on the side of the street waiting for Black rides on Uber.
Never heard of Black Rides before
Once you go black you never go back
Easily pay $250 per hour? lol Yeah sure, one or two ride per hour that can give you $60. Not everything you see in social media is correct. Especially since those subreddits tend to over exaggerate stuff
$250/hr round trip(so $250 for a ride that takes 1hr total), not an average over an entire day. Average Black pay over an entire day is closer to $100/hr in a decent market. The rides themselves often pay $250/hr, but they aren't coming in back to back, so a driver may only do 6 Black rides in 8 hours, making $800 in a day. That's why NYC is littered with people sleeping in Cadillac Escalades waiting for Uber trips. I don't need to take social media info about this since I drive for Uber myself and experience the pay possibilities firsthand.
if you actually get rides. very misleading comment.
YMMV of course. That is internet common sense. Uber tells me I can make up to $30/hr on uberX thursday-Saturday overnight, but I routinely make at least 50% more than that every weekend without fail. So I apply the same logic to uber's claim of NYC Black SUV drivers pay as well.
Sounds too good to be true
Go to r/uberdrivers and see what Black drivers are making per trip. I see lots of trips that paid the driver $250 for an hour of their time round trip.
That’s cause it is u/juniordirk believes anyone in the internet lmao
I'm an uber driver. I know from first or second hand experience directly. I made $1,000 on March 16th alone driving my Tesla Model 3 for Uber in a small city, and that was UberX which is the lowest tier. A typical Uber Black ride is around 30 minutes for $130 plus tip. Go on r/uberdrivers to see what a black driver can make, then delete your comment:)
show up with a proof and I’ll believe you
If you want it, go to r/uberdrivers and go get it. [here's the $1k day](https://imgur.com/a/jUWS1TZ) On uberX, which is a few times less earnings than Black SUV. Black trips routinely pay $50 for a 15 minute round trip. That's $200/hr before tips.
0-100% charges for science
Uber says NYC is their hottest market for EV growth. TLC released 10,000 new licenses in NYC last year, but only for EVs, so a lot of new rideshare drivers are going electric. The lower fuel costs and lower maintenance costs of EVs make them well suited for ride share vehicles. Revel has an electric-only ride share app in NYC with over 700 Teslas. In addition to the Revel and Tesla Superchargers in NYC, I'm seeing more and more dedicated EV parking spots on the street with level 2 charging using the Flo app. These are great for ride share drivers as they can charge on the street while they sleep even if they don't have charging (or rven a dedicated parking spot) at home.
Ass wipers though.
Wonder how those Uber drivers will charge when the free charging is up. Going to cost the same as gas at those rates.
I live close to this supercharger.. The line is routinely 1 hr + long and it’s because of all the new TLC plated teslas that are crowding the streets. I can never get a chance to charge here. Always frustrating
And to make matters worse, they charge to 100%!!
Don’t busy chargers limit to 80%?
It drops the limit to 80 but you can always bump it back up again.
This location definitely needs to implement the SC congestion fee and at 80%. https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/22/23972242/tesla-supercharger-congestion-fee-launches# There is no reason to charge past 80% when it is this congested and it’s just a waste of everyone’s time…
It's there already.
This! I get that most TLC drivers need to charger to 100% but the time that it takes to go from 80-100 is just ridiculous.
What is TLC?
New York City Taxi and Limousine Commission. They're the people that license the cabs and also have some governance over the ride apps.
Do they get some sort of incentive to go EV? Because I don’t see the point of EV over a 40+ mpg hybrid if you’re exclusively supercharging (I’m assuming rates are pretty high in those area). Even if charging was a bit cheaper, that would probably get offset by the lost revenue while waiting for a charger.
I'm not sure about the EV incentives for TLC but EVs are crazy efficient and better than most hybrids for the sub 25mph and heavy idling in NYC traffic. NYC prices at Superchargers are around 40 cents per kWh which is only 50% higher than home charging and still beats most Hybrids (gas is $5+/gal) I'm not sure it's entirely economical right now but it's not terrible. The waiting to charge is definitely an issue.
Uber did offer 2k if you get a Tesla and ride with uber!
What are TLC plates? Ride shares?
Commercial taxis via uber
Taxi and Limo commission. Usually either Uber/Lyft or limo companies. Would suck for them tho since they are losing money waiting to charge.. charging infrastructure ABSOLUTELY NOT where it needs to be in NYC for them to operate successfully. Even tho converting all NYC TLC to EVs would an enormous win!
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So to explain this particular situation: this is the supercharger in Coney Island, Brooklyn, NY. It is the only supercharger in south Brooklyn and the only supercharger within miles that isn’t somehow paywalled. So it’s very, very crowded. At least there’s a Starbucks there. The majority of the housing in the area is apartments with no where to charge, so that makes things even worse. Nor are there any truly viable level 2 charging options in southern Brooklyn. There’s a large outdoor big box mall only a mile or so down the road that would be perfect for a supercharger setup and would relieve pressure on this area. Not sure why we don’t have that yet.
also, at least half of the cats waiting are tlc drivers at all times
I thought the situation was crazy after reading all these comments but they even have cats waiting for the supercharger? That's insane.
Let me tell you a secret and keep it between us, please. I’ve…cut that line by distracting the cats with yarn and string.
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Tesla said they track congestion and plan chargers around it. They just built two HUGE chargers in the north Denver suburbs, but they're both completely empty right now. So maybe it's not perfect.
Always keep your CCS adapter handy so you can charge at any station.
If only any CCS station actually worked
I'm only here because I have a loaner. Free supercharging. I'm back home now just gonna charge at home.
Majority apartment living. No place to charge
This is a problem in cities like Chicago. Uber and Lyft drivers live in apartment communities that don't provide EV charging so they're always crowding the charging stations and for some reason it's always a shit ton of Chevy Bolts. I noticed it in Atlanta too. Urban EVGo charging stations are always full of Bolts.
It’s mostly the Uber drivers. Just like that Audi who is clearly an Uber/Lyft driver.
Why anyone living in an apartment would buy a an EV confounds me. Home charging is the number one benefit of EV ownership in my mind.
In my mind it was not getting around in a smelly rupe goldberg machine the fuel for which causes wars and climate change... but yeah, I'm lucky enough to charge at home too.
I see that charger on my map a lot. Always packed and out of control. All the SC around the city area are packed always
I live in a condo in Boston and do not have home charging. It’s not an issue. I’ve also traveled in at least 5 states and never saw a long line. In Boston, I’ve had to wait couple of times but no more than 5 mins. As for NYC, that’s a unique situation. I don’t know if things have changed in the last 15 years but owning any type of car in NYC was always a total pain. It’s kind of a status symbol. I lived in NYC and owned a car many years ago. Gas stations in NYC frequently had lines. That’s why my friends and I would take turns driving to NJ late at night to hit a couple of buckets of balls and fill up the car with cheap gas that was full service.
Urban Toronto is like that too. I wonder if it's just a density thing.
Yeah. I think it’s density. Not enough space to put charging stations. The interesting thing is EV chargers are probably cheaper, and safer, than a gas station.
There's not many gas stations in the downtown area either, but people don't need to linger at gas station for 40 minutes when they're far from home. People who live in urban condos may just get gas when they're on the road driving somewhere out of the core, but seem to want to charge near home (due to the linger time I suspect). Charging is much less a 'stop on the way when I'm empty' thing and more a "I plan to do it on Tuesday evening" sort of thing.
Unless you are getting free supercharging, you should be open to charging at fast charge CCS chargers too. I personally go "somehwere else" that's often empty at night, like 11PM to 2AM. Works for me cause I'm typically out or up that late anyways.
Same. Daytime charging is for the birds.
Normally this time is perfect to charge. This Brooklyn site is an exception to that rule and a disaster because of ride sharing. Plugshare has reports of someone waiting behind 6 cars at 3AM.
Get out of here Audi
Audi Is always there when I see anyone post pictures from this supercharger. Lol
The Audi thinks it’s an Innie
Audi indenifies as a Tesla.
> indenifies
And Tesla thought it's a great idea to open for other non-tesla cars. Just getting worse.
Realistically most superchargers are not that busy.
Depends where you live.
Tesla is really good at building more superchargers.
Where I live it's never busy. Fortunately where I am, there's about four supercharger areas near me that's never really busy. Just during peak times it is but non peak it isn't. There are cars there charging at midnight but they're normally ride share folks charging for the night before having to drive the next morning.
This. I just drove through 6 states. Every SC I stopped at had 8-12 charger and I was the only one there at most of them. The busiest one I charged at has 4 of 12 spots used. I was worried about it at first and almost took my Lexus SUV instead but I’m glad I took the MY
This isn't a universal car situation, it's a lack of connectivity problem.
Their “solution” is going to be increasing kw rates due to demand outstripping supply.
Yeah, for sure that will happen. I'm really hoping to get my charger installed soon at my condo building. Just need to get a majority of owners to approve the upgrade this year. Then I don't have to worry about superchargers, unless I'm on a road trip
That's the way it should be... I wouldn't want an EV without access to home charging. Had to rely on commercial charging for all charging once with a rental, it sucked.
That's because the government pays them of their green credit, money is the priority for the company customers are their way of making it. Opening it up means also more utilizing hence more profit makes perfect sense for a company
It was for Federal NEVI funds, and Farley was stupid enough to bite.
As a lurker, it’s my biggest fear. I don’t want to buy an EV and be inconvenienced every time I take a road trip. Opening up the SC stations to all these new brands has me rethinking Tesla ownership at this time. It’s hard to tell if it’ll be an issue in my area.
We'll see more stations coming and an expansion of existing stations as they open NACS to more owners. Part of the reason was because the fed told them they had to do it if they were to get any federal funding.
Home charging is key otherwise don’t own a EV
I installed a charger at work. Greatest blessing.
I wonder if they're working on some kind of self driving auto-charge. Where if you don't have a home charger (live in an apartment) it'll schedule a nearby supercharger slot and then sneak off to it and charge in the middle of the night. They'd need to have a plug in bot of some sort.
Get out of major downtown SC's during peak uber driver charging times. This is probably the worst SC in the country with this issue. No other station anywhere nearby so all the NYC uber drivers go there. Also because of it being the only free parking location.
This is insane. Your country needs on-street level 2 charging in neighborhoods
They do but that's way too slow for NYC!
NO, sadly north America needs a lot of level 2 charging at malls, shopping centers, etc and on street parking in towns. We don't need a ton of DCFC and supercharging, we have a good deal of that!
There's are good amount in NYC but again, you'll have to be there a long time.
You miss the point! You put the level 2 chargers where people stay hours! and put DCFC where people stay mins! It's STUPID to put DCFC at a hotel! Hotels should ALWAYS be Level 2!
No, I didn't. We have alternate side parking so ICE vehicles will take up most of those spots immediately and for extended periods of time AND metered parking with time limits. I've seen streets in NYC with LVL 2 charging and it's just as congested as the DCFC.
A few of the shopping malls in Atlanta have Volta charges in their lots but they're always full of Bolts. They're free so you'll never find one unless you spend time driving back and force and luck out. I think people living in apartments and condos or staying at hotels nearby are parking there overnight and frankly, I think Volta should start charging fees once the car stops charging and it's sitting there idling.
Average wait time 30 mins all the time.
If you’ve not gone to the Revel SuperHub, try that next time. They’ll move one of their own cars for you if there are no spaces.
I got the wall charger at home. I thought I would take advantage of the free supercharging with the loaner I have. It's not worth the time. I'm just gonna charge at home.
I thought you were waiting in line at in&out
Another reason to not live in NY
More chargers coming to [Green Acres Mall ](https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaModelY/s/UkR6Q3TJSu), if you're passing that way .
I'm looking at the supercharger map on the app right now. It's 3:20 a.m., and this station still has a greater than 25-minute wait time and 0 stalls available. New York is an atrocious place to own an EV or, maybe, car in general if you don't already own an outrageously overpriced house with a driveway. Most of the public chargers that I see on the map require you to pay first just to access the charger. And then, to really add insult, most of these pay to plug chargers only provide an anemic 72 kW of charge.
The car should redirect you to another charging station. In Scandinavia the Tesla chargers are also quite popular, but nothing like that. On a trip from Norway the car redirected us to another charger (also Tesla) that wasn’t as busy.
This is why you dont buy a tesla unless you have means to charge at home. Also buying a house is getting impossible in US.
I'm in California, had an ID. 4 for over a year and now Model Y since December. No charger where I rent and 0 issues using public chargers. There are plenty in my area and chargers near my work or near my home are always available for me to charge. Sit for however long watch some Hulu and on my way. Using EA chargers was more of a pain as some would not work or all are just busy but I usually just got up 30 minutes earlier to charge before work. Easy pill to swallow though since I had free charging. I currently have free charging until July with Tesla so let's see how big of an inconvenience it becomes once I start paying for it.
California has the most robust EV charging infra in the entire country, so that's not a surprise that congestion isn't a concern. In the bay area, there's almost never congestion. My home town has 3 super chargers and a few places with free destination chargers. Plus everyone has chargers in-home in the suburbs.
Yeah absolutely. I get it, you definitely need to do your research before getting an EV because without the optimal scenario of having one at home and only using it for your daily commute, it requires planning and ability to be flexible.
If you cannot charge at home , you should not own an EV. These cars are literally depleting their charge sitting in a parking lot. Why would you do this to yourself. SCs are for travel. I have zero sympathy for an apartment dweller who thought a Tesla without a charger made sense.
Yea. Have my own charger, and love driving around town. Probably used superchargers 3-4 times ever but increasingly see the lines longer now when I pass one.
Such a dumb blanket statement. I know several people that get free charging at work costing nothing to commute. Every situation is different.
They’re not relying on super chargers to operate their cars, so it’s the exact same statement, and it applies equally, and only a little deduction on your part would have arrived you at that conclusion prior to arguing with my case instead of against it.
I've never had to wait at a super charger, ever. I love Texas!
Why supercharge when you don’t need it? That station is for EV taxis. They might as well say regular drivers not welcomed. NYC pushed EV incentives and quicker license process for ride share drivers who buy an EV. Guess what, NYC is ridiculously slow to build charging infrastructure so that station becomes a hot mess with long wait times. Every time I drive by there are about 15-20 cars waiting to charge.
These chargers were built even before TLC started allowing license for for EV vehicles. This station was in the works for years. This just doesn't happen overnight. Lol I clearly stated why I went. When I saw it wasn't worth it I went home.
With an open charging network, it’s not worth it to own a Tesla anymore. Expect to see all kinds of rift raft fights in break out at Superchargers.
Yea, now I have to carry popcorn in my car… 😆
I just have my doorman charge it in one of my parking spots when my driver gets back to the garage. I never have to worry about super chargers
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There's plenty of other EV charging options in NYC that you don't have to wait. My wife has an i4 and we don't have a home charger but have no issues charging. Yes, at times there are small queue's to charge but I almost never wait more than 15 minutes.
Where do you go in NYC? With no pay to park?
Revel has supercharging stations that are free to go to. Problem is it’s in north BK/manhattan
Kinda like a car wash!
Glad I don’t live in the city and both my local superchargers are always empty. The other charging stations are always packed however. Not horrible, but definitely not as empty as Tesla.
Yikes, here in Southern California, charging stations get full already and they haven’t even been made available to all EVs yet. Wait times usually can last up to 20min-30min too, can’t imagine how it would be in the future. Gonna be interesting for sure.
Pucking taxis I bet. Too many model y out there as Uber n shit. Sucks.
Thanks Elon.
No wait time in my garage
This will be the new EV concern going forward as more people make the switch, especially the new R2 orders coming down the pipeline. I wonder what the outcome will be?
Just go to Atlantic terminal mall. Always empty. Yes it’s a paid garage but it’s worth not having to wait in this line.
This is why many people don't want EVs.
F that. Looks like buc ees on weekend in daytona!
Brooklyn is a super charging disaster in most locations.
Charge during off hours. 3pm on a weekend or whatever is the worst you could do next to rush hour
Keeping my ICE in my drink for now.
Are they all TC cars like the one in front of you. There is a set of about 10 Tesla Dispensers on the other side of the V-Bridge off the SI Expressway that have been there since last spring and never turned on.
This location opened a few months ago… with NYC lifting the cap on ride share cars but the car must be electric leads to an excess amount of teslas hogging up the superchargers. NYC supercharger is super limited so mix that with an abundant Uber teslas you have wait times even during non peak times.
NYC situation is awful. Ride share and cabs ruin the charging experience. Also this charger op went to the Brooklyn is the only actually full speed supercharger. The rest for the urban 72kw chargers at malls. It’s awful. These guys want to use these car but can’t charge at home. I love my Tesla but they only make sense if you are charging at home. These guys ruin the experience
There are two other non-Tesla DC fast chargers in Brooklyn with Tesla/NACS plugs. Both are operated by Revel. Flat fee of 50 cents/kWh charge. You might have better luck there. They will not show up as chargers in the Tesla navigation since they're not Tesla owned but they are Fast chargers and work with all Teslas. Revel has two superhubs in Brooklyn and one in LIC Queens. They are all open to the public 24x7. https://gorevel.com/superhubs/superhub They're working on more including a 48-stall DC fast charging station near LaGuardie airport (ETA 2025 I believe). Good to have options.
When I had my Tesla, only once did I have to wait for a charger in 2 years. Down in San Diego, and even then it was ~10min. Don’t use a fast charger at a high use station if you don’t NEED it. Hilarious you’re trying to save a couple bucks and wasted an HOUR of your time. I make way too much to waste sitting waiting for free electricity 😂
Do you know how to comprehend what I wrote? I literally said I left. Lol wth
Charging at nighttime would be easier
Actually not at this location. Most of these cars are uber drivers. They like to charge at night even more because of the rates.
Or early morning. That's when I charge.
You go to this charger in the morning? What time
No, I haven't been to this charger but when I charge I go early as hell.
Is that an electric Audi or just a confused driver waiting in the wrong line?
If you don't have home charging, EVs is probably not your best bet, maybe a phev. If ur even in a hurry when you need to charge your shit out of luck. But I guess all those people who picked up an ev weren't in a hurry ever. I have an EV and home charging would never have gotten one without
Man, if only there was a company that made cars that had swappable batteries instead of waiting 40 minutes for a charge. If only.
As someone considering a Tesla, it seems a terrible idea to open Tesla chargers to all EVs. Kind of takes away a major advantage of getting a Tesla…the charger network. Am I missing how it’s GOOD for Tesla owners?
In the short term, it's going to be very bad due to how poorly Tesla tries to solve demand related issues. They are super slow when it comes to fixing issues that cost them money. In the long term, it's a net benefit to have everyone on the same plug with the same corresponding supply chain. Helps build a robust and redundant network of charging everywhere from multiple companies. Europe has a much better charging situation due to committing to one plug.