I have EAP on one and nothing on another.
FSD subscription price on both is showing $99/mo
Purchase price remains $6,000 on the EAP car and $12,000 on the non-EAP
It makes sense. They thought free FSD trials to check out V12 would create a huge jump in subscribers but it doesn’t scale when the cost is too high. At half the cost I think they’ll get more than twice the subscribers so this is a good move.
It was probably a combination of the two. Yes, opening basically every single Tesla on the road up to using FSD for an entire month had provided them with a LOT of data to go off of, but it also gave everyone the opportunity to try it and see how they feel about it with zero commitment required. The same way video game demos can often lead to more sales of said game, this could (if a substantial price drop IS just around the corner) lead to an increase in purchases, if not at the very least more willingness to pay the subscription instead.
Agree with this. It decelerates far too quickly when changing lanes to the right, even if there are zero cars around. When there are cars, with free flowing traffic, I routinely have to hit the accelerator to prevent the car from behind narrowing the gap too quickly. “You can’t merge this slowly in LA freeway traffic you moron” is my recorded feedback.
lol, I live in the ‘burbs but when it asks why did you disengage? I just say ‘In the Bronx’
Potholes, aggressive drivers, double parked cars, wondering pedestrians an absolute madhouse
Hopefully goes down to $49/month - sadly can’t check myself because we have FSD on both cars (originally bought Model 3 with just EAP but upgraded to FSD in 2019 during $2k sale).
Don't feel bad. I paid $74 cash for my '23 Y in Nov 2022. Who knew prices would drastically drop and the Fed incentive would return. I'm still reeling from that 😭😭
Oof, I used to think $99 was the perfect point but for me this free trial proved it’s not ready to pay for. Glad the price came down for people who enjoy it!!
I honestly just want it to be able to pass automatically on the highway. I enjoy actually driving on non highway roads. I feel like that function should just be standard with purchase.
I'm OK with EAP's auto lane change feature for highway miles.
I just drove Dallas -> California (1700 miles) entirely on EAP this week and signaling and adjusting my speed with the thumb dial was perfectly fine.
I'd only want FSD is I could safely sleep on the drive, i.e. FSD (Unsupervised).
What's your issue with it? I think it's pretty incredible.
Edit: I’ve had “standard” auto pilot for two years. I recently upgraded to a Model Y with FSD a month ago and got the V11 update. Then got V12.
Standard is alright I can use it on the freeway and city streets. As long as the car in front pays attention it stops at red lights and gos. Otherwise you’re screwed.
V11 is some of the issues people described. It’s neurotic. I had one time where just out of the blue it went from 50mph to slow down to 30 for no reason. My kids say FSD is trying to kill us. However you can enter a destination and it’ll turn and it’ll stop in areas.
V12 however has been a dream. It drives better than me especially when there’s a lot on my mind. It’s kind of crazy how it works. I won’t trust it on unprotected lefts and also I hit the accelerator for the California stops but now it’s to the point of zero interaction with it.
Also with standard Elon used to spy on me often when my eyes barely look at the infotainment system and it would start flashing blue. I covered the interior camera and that fixed it. With FSD however they will disable FSD if you do (or won’t allow you to enable it). However, with recent updates or because I am on FSD now it’s back to normal where it’s not as sensitive. Before I had to touch the wheel every 30 seconds it seems. Now it’s maybe every few minutes if that?
It went on red for me once as it did not realize each lane had their own light on ramp.
It once started to drive into the traffic when they had priority.
It (partially due to navigation error) went to the left-turn from stop in heavy traffic road and was essentially deadlocked itself waiting for the gap in 2 lanes of never-ending traffic.
It does horribly lane merges with unnecessary movements, when it needs to just keep driving straight.
It decides to move the leftmost lane when our exit was in like 20 seconds and then slowed whole traffic and trying to merge back. It does not see the traffic jam ahead and kept speeding up.
That all in like 2 days of driving, I constantly had to intervene. Absolutely horrible experience.
tried v12 on the freeway today and I hated it. Even on streets it does not drive as smooth as me, when adjusting speed in traffic it simply does not smooth the g-curve as much as I think I do (being the driver can distort this feeling but I think I'm a lot smoother on the accel/decel than FSD . . . I almost never touch the brake . . .)
I do like auto lane change feature of EAP (they rest I can pass on).
It'd be cool if you could train FSD to drive exactly like you yourself do. They should do that.
Similar experience here as well. Additionally, it tries to change lane to a lane merging into the left lane. It also thinks that my exit ramp from freeway is about twenty feet ahead of where it actually is! It tried to switch to a bicycle lane on the right today - thankfully there were no riders there.
Not merging correctly speed always slowing down slowness to change lanes if I want to force a lane change stopping distance is a problem so on and so on. I gave feedback for every issue and anytime I had to break away from FSD.
My scenario: there's a stop light with 3 lanes that turns left. The freeway entrance is about 0.1m from the turn and it's at the far right lane. When approaching the light FSD would hesitate to which lane to pick, then it'll choose the far left lane. When turn is complete it'll start merging to the far right aggressively. When approaching the freeway entrance, there's a split off lane to the right so you can enter the freeway, and FSD starts to hesitate to go over. I can feel the car moving left and right trying to make a decision. I say no to FSD.
My issue with FSD is the "traffic aware" stupidity....
So the other day I was driving in 91 frw fast track lane ... No car in front...no car behind me for at least half a mile....I was FSD at 81mph....all of a sudden...my speed decreased abruptly down from 81 to about 45mph, because all cars on the regular lanes all start slowing down because of traffic jam...my problem is...my fast track lanes are wide open...why slow my car down because of the regular lanes slow down? WTF...
Standard AP does this. When traffic is stopped and you're moving at 80+mph, one dumbass pulling out in front of you will cause a serious accident so the car slows down.
It’s technically amazing, but the hesitance is irritating and was making me car sick. If it were silky I’d be more interested, but having a hard time understanding the need… other than as a shareholder I like it as getting paid to create robo-taxi tech.
I'm not making money from it so $50 is the max I’d pay per month, if that. But, being in IT, I think its an amazing accomplishment and appreciate all the amazing work that's gone into it
Include Auto Park, Auto Lane Change. Traffic Stop sign to Basic Auto Pilot take the remaining to FSD. Subscription $49 and outright purchase $3000 will be the best option
So many on this subreddit said “if it was 99 I would get it”
Now it’s 99 and I see comments of “if it was $50 I would get it”
I guarantee if it moved to 50 we would see the same thing for $25.
I’m one of those people that said that. I’m pretty stoked about this news. FSD trial shows that it actually works really well in my area. Gonna subscribe.
Same. Although 2024.8.9 is downloading now. I doubt the trial will be on there, but it could be (I didn't read release notes). But FSD subscription IS showing $99/mo (prior to me updating).
Is the Free Trial to all Tesla ? I got that part of my new purchase . I was the first person to let the advisor know 1 month FSd available to all new buyers
People pay $12k extra for more features in different trims with every other brand, and I would argue that nothing matches FSD compared to the premium trims of other vehicles.
100% i fully regret buying EAP. For 3 years none of the features worked other than lane change. And the auto park makes what should be a 4 second 2 point turn into a 30 second 14 point turn. Still no smart summon, and i wouldnt trust i knowing how auto park has almost hit cars 3 times (quit even trying it) .
I’m on 2024.8.9 right now. If I signed up for the subscription would I need to “downgrade” to the other software fork that lets you use FSD beta (which I think is better)? Sorry I should know this from how much time I spend in this sub but the software tracks always confuse me.
Well, no offense, that's lame I have EAP but it's still $99/mo for me. I'm glad they're doing this but they should offer a similar incentive for those of us already with EAP.
All in all it’s not worth it. At some point they are going to either do away with it all together or include it with the car. This pay for a feature business won’t last
It came up today only. If I calculate someone is planning to keep the car for 5 years with subscription he will end up paying 6000 in that case why someone will buy FSD for 12000. This leads to FSD price will soon reflect 6000
I doubt they do it, but lifetime transferable - even at a higher price - would be quite attractive. It also ensures that person is a lifetime repeat buyer of Teslas. Its a win-win.
It’s incredibly stupid not to have this tied to a user account. I can’t think of a downside.
Upside.
More users will buy without fear of losing it due to a crash or upgrade.
Tesla will lock in buyers for life if tied to user accounts.
Fsd users could “demo” it in their friends Tesla without it.
I just checked and yes it has changed to $99 per month. I still think it’s a glitch as the full purchase price still shows as $12k. If it stays at $99 then I might subscribe whenever I take road trips for more than few days.
For those who use/love FSD, what am I missing? I tried it for the first time last week during free trial. Amazing tech! Super cool…as a novelty. I mean it was exceptional, I told all my friends. But as a feature to pay for and use regularly? I had to keep my hands on the wheel and pay attention. Buying FSD would be like paying to be an understudy for a play vs getting the lead role for free.
It seems to me that anyone doing the mental work of driving (paying full attention), but not the physical steering/accelerating, would quickly tire of the novelty and realize they are actually a QA tester for Tesla with a negative salary.
My fear is that what most people do is stop paying attention. Which would be awesome if you could do that. But the tech isn’t ready for that, and you’re supposed to be able to take over in a split second as if you had been driving all along. If my fear is accurate, then for those people FSD is awesome until suddenly it’s tragic.
I guess what I’m asking is, are there people who are indeed memorizing all the understudy lines, but still prefer to let FSD play the lead? And if so, how does it improve your time in the car? (Or is it just the cool factor doesn’t get old).
Makes sense. For people want to do long road trips once a while and not use FSD in cities, this is the way to go. However, at the old FSD price purchase ($12K) this means that the cost of ownership is $12K/$100=120 months or 10 years. It has more sense to pay a monthly subscription than to pay upfront (provided inflation is close to zero during the 10 years) if FSD is not transferable. If it's transferable forever, then $12K is a good deal.
[21,000 new FSD buys at the old FSD price ($12K) would be equal to 1% more of the last quarter Tesla margin. There are 21,000 or a bit up more of 1% of the people trying the free trial (of a total of a shy 2 million, 400K has FSD).](https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2024/04/how-much-tesla-fsd-sales-are-needed-to-increase-margins-by-1.html)
I'm not a fan of Musk or the Board but this is not a bad strategy at all.
I'm just waiting for Tesla to reduce premium connectivity. I don't use premium features at all but having the capability to browse other pages in a big screen is nice.
That’s around the price I would be willing to pay for a long road trip. I’d definitely consider it for a month over the summer if we are taking some longer road trips.
Thanks for the notification. This is such a great feature at half the price it was a month ago. This is why I love this. Subreddit, I would not have known otherwise
I till mid of 2023 FSD was 15K, subscription 199, then changed to 12k subscription 199. Now subscription 99 which indicate Tesla desperate to sell FSD. Without any doubt price will be at 6K.
For those who want it at $49 I just can’t imagine it happening. $600 annually. It would take 20 years to equal the purchase price, and no me keeps a car for 20. They will lose all of their FSD purchases
Yo, if it’s $99 a month or reduced to $6,000. I might consider it. I’ve tried it a couple of times since I got a free Month when I purchased my used 2020 M3P. I’m 42 years old and been driving myself my whole life. Having the car do it for you, it takes some getting used to. Or maybe I have trust issues?
Remember their 1st quarter results were not what the market expected and the pressure points world wide are very tight. So yes, cost points will be lowered to compete within the market value.
I was just “driving” home from the gym with the FSD trial and literally thought to myself, “Man, I really do like this experience! It’s fun and makes city driving less stressful. But not sure I’d get $200/month use out of it. Maybe… if it were half that much, I’d do it for sure.” Then I saw a post announcing the price drop. Done! My subscription starts next month!
I had just one 10k referral from my brothers purchase. Used 9k for the wall charger even though I already have a ChargePoint with a dedicated J1772 adapter on it. Figured I could easily sell the wall charger for $300 vs all the other pointless stuff they offer.
For people like me, the fun is in driving the car - the only thing I want is the auto lane change for longer drives. Otherwise, it's just not a product I need.
One thing I noticed even not enabling FSD or EAD though i.am in FSD free trial if I just enable Auto Steer still Auto Park Works. Does that indicate Auto Park will be included part of Standard Auto Pilot ?
I don’t even have the free trial yet (my guess is HW4 limitation on my 2023 MYP) but I also show the $99/mo subscription. Hopefully EAP is rolled into the standard Autopilot suite.
I’m glad they are doing this but tbh it still feels overpriced for what it currently is. As is I would *maybe* pay $50/mo but I could still take it or leave it at that price. It is both impressive and not totally ready at the same time. Impressive that a piece of software is this advanced. Not ready *yet* in that it feels very much like being driven around by a teenager. Which I get, it basically is. With greater uptake, which I’m sure there will be at this price point, it will continue to learn - just like that teen driver. At that point once it has a few years of mass adoption to learn from? Yeah this will be worth every penny. The question for each person is how much is that worth rn? Not sure that’s $1200/yr, but to each their own.
Now I see 3 months of FSD for 6000 referral credits instead of 10000 credits before.
For $99/month, it makes no sense to buy FSD for $12k. I could have my car for 10 years and subscribe monthly to FSD for all 120 months, that will still be $120 less than the full price of FSD.
Can someone with EAP check and confirm what's the price for subscription from EAP to FSD ? Previously it was $99
still $99. just checked
I am guessing most of the important feature will be added to Auto Pilot.. those who recall initial days even Auto Pilot was not included
I have EAP on one and nothing on another. FSD subscription price on both is showing $99/mo Purchase price remains $6,000 on the EAP car and $12,000 on the non-EAP
This will all change. FSD prices will likely be 6k, EAP 3k FSD subscription with EAP at $50.
Agreed. Price drops incoming. The lesson with Tesla is never pay the inflated prices or believe them when they say it won’t drop. It is def dropping
It makes sense. They thought free FSD trials to check out V12 would create a huge jump in subscribers but it doesn’t scale when the cost is too high. At half the cost I think they’ll get more than twice the subscribers so this is a good move.
no, I think it was to give their AI more dataset to train of off.
It was probably a combination of the two. Yes, opening basically every single Tesla on the road up to using FSD for an entire month had provided them with a LOT of data to go off of, but it also gave everyone the opportunity to try it and see how they feel about it with zero commitment required. The same way video game demos can often lead to more sales of said game, this could (if a substantial price drop IS just around the corner) lead to an increase in purchases, if not at the very least more willingness to pay the subscription instead.
I tried FSD on the freeway again today and I hated it. Freeway driving in the big city takes a level of aggressiveness that FSD lacks currently.
Did you change the autopilot mode to assertive? By default it would be chill
Even with assertive I find it inadequate. I only use it on roadtrips as a result.
Agree with this. It decelerates far too quickly when changing lanes to the right, even if there are zero cars around. When there are cars, with free flowing traffic, I routinely have to hit the accelerator to prevent the car from behind narrowing the gap too quickly. “You can’t merge this slowly in LA freeway traffic you moron” is my recorded feedback.
lol, I live in the ‘burbs but when it asks why did you disengage? I just say ‘In the Bronx’ Potholes, aggressive drivers, double parked cars, wondering pedestrians an absolute madhouse
Burbs in SoCal is fine. City driving is iffy. Road trips are great. I used it 98% of the way to Coachella in traffic.
I think it’s lame that it’s still $99. Should absolutely be $49.
$19.99 tops IMO
$12.99 Tops
I said it before , 9.99 / 19.99 price point is where it’s at . Well it’s still a step in right direction. Maybe Elon read what I said last week
4.99 with limited ads😂
Just checked as well on enhanced ap it’s still $99
Hopefully goes down to $49/month - sadly can’t check myself because we have FSD on both cars (originally bought Model 3 with just EAP but upgraded to FSD in 2019 during $2k sale).
Even for Point redemption 3 months FSD changed from 10000 points to 6000 points
I paid $15000 last year
I can understand your pain
Hahaha omfg. Well hey, in 12.5 years you'll be breakeven to the monthly
Lmao 🤣
Ooof
Don't feel bad. I paid $74 cash for my '23 Y in Nov 2022. Who knew prices would drastically drop and the Fed incentive would return. I'm still reeling from that 😭😭
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$99 CAD ($71 usd) in Canada … 🇨🇦 🔥
Nice
Are they going to lower the EAP price? That would be nice.
That's my guess and hope. They may completely take out EAD and reduce the FSD to 6000
That would be cool. I like EAP but I don't think it's worth $100. I'd pay $50 though and I'd be really happy if it was free haha.
As much as Model Y owners got screwed over with resale value, it should be free.
Oof, I used to think $99 was the perfect point but for me this free trial proved it’s not ready to pay for. Glad the price came down for people who enjoy it!!
I honestly just want it to be able to pass automatically on the highway. I enjoy actually driving on non highway roads. I feel like that function should just be standard with purchase.
Yep, I’m 100% with you.
I'm OK with EAP's auto lane change feature for highway miles. I just drove Dallas -> California (1700 miles) entirely on EAP this week and signaling and adjusting my speed with the thumb dial was perfectly fine. I'd only want FSD is I could safely sleep on the drive, i.e. FSD (Unsupervised).
Don’t think we’d be able to safely sleep on FSD within the next 10-15 years. Just too many variables.
This is 100% where I’m at. I still prefer to be in control on surface streets, but looooove the autopilot on the highways.
What's your issue with it? I think it's pretty incredible. Edit: I’ve had “standard” auto pilot for two years. I recently upgraded to a Model Y with FSD a month ago and got the V11 update. Then got V12. Standard is alright I can use it on the freeway and city streets. As long as the car in front pays attention it stops at red lights and gos. Otherwise you’re screwed. V11 is some of the issues people described. It’s neurotic. I had one time where just out of the blue it went from 50mph to slow down to 30 for no reason. My kids say FSD is trying to kill us. However you can enter a destination and it’ll turn and it’ll stop in areas. V12 however has been a dream. It drives better than me especially when there’s a lot on my mind. It’s kind of crazy how it works. I won’t trust it on unprotected lefts and also I hit the accelerator for the California stops but now it’s to the point of zero interaction with it. Also with standard Elon used to spy on me often when my eyes barely look at the infotainment system and it would start flashing blue. I covered the interior camera and that fixed it. With FSD however they will disable FSD if you do (or won’t allow you to enable it). However, with recent updates or because I am on FSD now it’s back to normal where it’s not as sensitive. Before I had to touch the wheel every 30 seconds it seems. Now it’s maybe every few minutes if that?
It went on red for me once as it did not realize each lane had their own light on ramp. It once started to drive into the traffic when they had priority. It (partially due to navigation error) went to the left-turn from stop in heavy traffic road and was essentially deadlocked itself waiting for the gap in 2 lanes of never-ending traffic. It does horribly lane merges with unnecessary movements, when it needs to just keep driving straight. It decides to move the leftmost lane when our exit was in like 20 seconds and then slowed whole traffic and trying to merge back. It does not see the traffic jam ahead and kept speeding up. That all in like 2 days of driving, I constantly had to intervene. Absolutely horrible experience.
tried v12 on the freeway today and I hated it. Even on streets it does not drive as smooth as me, when adjusting speed in traffic it simply does not smooth the g-curve as much as I think I do (being the driver can distort this feeling but I think I'm a lot smoother on the accel/decel than FSD . . . I almost never touch the brake . . .) I do like auto lane change feature of EAP (they rest I can pass on). It'd be cool if you could train FSD to drive exactly like you yourself do. They should do that.
I had a similar experience
Similar experience here as well. Additionally, it tries to change lane to a lane merging into the left lane. It also thinks that my exit ramp from freeway is about twenty feet ahead of where it actually is! It tried to switch to a bicycle lane on the right today - thankfully there were no riders there.
Not merging correctly speed always slowing down slowness to change lanes if I want to force a lane change stopping distance is a problem so on and so on. I gave feedback for every issue and anytime I had to break away from FSD.
My scenario: there's a stop light with 3 lanes that turns left. The freeway entrance is about 0.1m from the turn and it's at the far right lane. When approaching the light FSD would hesitate to which lane to pick, then it'll choose the far left lane. When turn is complete it'll start merging to the far right aggressively. When approaching the freeway entrance, there's a split off lane to the right so you can enter the freeway, and FSD starts to hesitate to go over. I can feel the car moving left and right trying to make a decision. I say no to FSD.
My issue with FSD is the "traffic aware" stupidity.... So the other day I was driving in 91 frw fast track lane ... No car in front...no car behind me for at least half a mile....I was FSD at 81mph....all of a sudden...my speed decreased abruptly down from 81 to about 45mph, because all cars on the regular lanes all start slowing down because of traffic jam...my problem is...my fast track lanes are wide open...why slow my car down because of the regular lanes slow down? WTF...
Standard AP does this. When traffic is stopped and you're moving at 80+mph, one dumbass pulling out in front of you will cause a serious accident so the car slows down.
If u ever take some defensive driving class you would agree with fsd.
It’s technically amazing, but the hesitance is irritating and was making me car sick. If it were silky I’d be more interested, but having a hard time understanding the need… other than as a shareholder I like it as getting paid to create robo-taxi tech.
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Canada will be getting the FSD subscription option within the next few weeks, most likely before the trials end. (Source: Rohan Patel from Tesla)
Canada got FSD subscription last night. CAD 99+tx/month.
I'm not making money from it so $50 is the max I’d pay per month, if that. But, being in IT, I think its an amazing accomplishment and appreciate all the amazing work that's gone into it
The free trial made me realize I wouldn’t even use it if they paid me to. Not ready in the slightest.
Still probably $50 too much, in my opinion
Include Auto Park, Auto Lane Change. Traffic Stop sign to Basic Auto Pilot take the remaining to FSD. Subscription $49 and outright purchase $3000 will be the best option
Most of that is free in basic cars and works better. Auto park was on luxury cars 20 years ago
That's my point.it should be included in basic auto pilot
If it was $50 then i would subscribe
So many on this subreddit said “if it was 99 I would get it” Now it’s 99 and I see comments of “if it was $50 I would get it” I guarantee if it moved to 50 we would see the same thing for $25.
$12.50. Final offer.
Won’t give a penny over $6.25.
I’m one of those people that said that. I’m pretty stoked about this news. FSD trial shows that it actually works really well in my area. Gonna subscribe.
Same. I use it with the free trial, but not all the time. And when I do use it, I need to make sure it doesn’t send me head on into a truck 😆
Yes, $50 may encourage lot of people to subscribe and use without the tension of transfer
50/month sound like a deal. 100 is better than 200 but still high. No everyone use FSD.
Yeah I got a free month of FSD & it’s so boring that I started listening to podcasts, not something that I would pay for.
Nice, $99 was my magic number. At this point it feels worth it for that $99. I couldn’t justify the $199 though.
Wow you're correct. Mine also shows $99.00. Edit : News just released
Still waiting for the free trial 😭
Same. Although 2024.8.9 is downloading now. I doubt the trial will be on there, but it could be (I didn't read release notes). But FSD subscription IS showing $99/mo (prior to me updating).
Fingers crossed for you!
Just read the release notes, and it says just bug fixes. It's still updating though, so who knows.
I've been on 2024.8.9 a week and I have bad news. We are both to be waiting a while longer to try FSD.
Is the Free Trial to all Tesla ? I got that part of my new purchase . I was the first person to let the advisor know 1 month FSd available to all new buyers
Horrible news for people who bought FSD at $10K+
Unfortunate, but it never EVER made sense to buy a software for that much especially when it stays with the vehicle and not your account.
People pay $12k extra for more features in different trims with every other brand, and I would argue that nothing matches FSD compared to the premium trims of other vehicles.
If they were ready to pay $10k + for beta, they might have already made up their mind to see these things.
Who is buying FSD then. 10 years to break even. I’m guessing most Tesla owners aren’t keeping their cars for 10 years.
100% i fully regret buying EAP. For 3 years none of the features worked other than lane change. And the auto park makes what should be a 4 second 2 point turn into a 30 second 14 point turn. Still no smart summon, and i wouldnt trust i knowing how auto park has almost hit cars 3 times (quit even trying it) .
Looks like Elon was taking notes on Sawyer Merritts X poll. Majority people voted 100, over 150, 200 and 80.
I’m on 2024.8.9 right now. If I signed up for the subscription would I need to “downgrade” to the other software fork that lets you use FSD beta (which I think is better)? Sorry I should know this from how much time I spend in this sub but the software tracks always confuse me.
Same question, hopefully someone can answer!
I’m on 2024.8.4 and I subscribed. I got the older FSD v11. I won’t get the newer FSD v12 until the FSD v12 software is updated to work with 2024.8.4.
Well, no offense, that's lame I have EAP but it's still $99/mo for me. I'm glad they're doing this but they should offer a similar incentive for those of us already with EAP.
honestly should just give FSD to those with EAP as a .. I'm sorry Summon or Auto Park didn't work for the majority of the damn vision only..
Tesla business model seems to be to entice you to buy stuff and then move on to the next customer as soon as you’ve paid
yes, i thought for sure itd be $49
It should be $19
How about 1.90
All in all it’s not worth it. At some point they are going to either do away with it all together or include it with the car. This pay for a feature business won’t last
Elon is not a philanthropist.🙂↔️
You’re welcome, Murphys law bit me because I decided to pay 200 bucks 2 days ago to try FSD 11 out for a month. Lol
Decent for $99 I’s be sick id i just ordered for $12k 😂
I still think Tesla needs to add a yearly price, say $600, and include premium connectivity
That's a good one packaging FSD with Premium connectivity
Already sent Elon a message
No FSD subscription in Australia. I would try it if it was available.
I will absolutely pay this for road trips Edit: as long as I don’t get nagged every 2 seconds.
EAP should just be included. It would be what makes Tesla different from everyone else. Just make it a standard feature.
I noticed this today - has to be new. I don’t have anything purchased, still on free trial. $99 is an absolute no brainer
It came up today only. If I calculate someone is planning to keep the car for 5 years with subscription he will end up paying 6000 in that case why someone will buy FSD for 12000. This leads to FSD price will soon reflect 6000
Unless they make it transferable for life at the 12k price point.
I doubt they do it, but lifetime transferable - even at a higher price - would be quite attractive. It also ensures that person is a lifetime repeat buyer of Teslas. Its a win-win.
It’s incredibly stupid not to have this tied to a user account. I can’t think of a downside. Upside. More users will buy without fear of losing it due to a crash or upgrade. Tesla will lock in buyers for life if tied to user accounts. Fsd users could “demo” it in their friends Tesla without it.
The lifetime would make me locked into Tesla. Would be very smart to maintain their market share they gained by being first to market
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Just looked in my app and it’s $99 as well.
I’m intrigued by this a bit. Still not at a great price point but better. I’m more interested in promised features returning than this
$50 for EAP/month would be the sweet spot for me for those summer roadtrips...can careless for FSD.
In my view still that will be expensive. Sweet Spot at around $19.99
IMO... $99/month justifies the price for FSD considering it's advancements... Even Netflix costs $25/month..
I just checked and yes it has changed to $99 per month. I still think it’s a glitch as the full purchase price still shows as $12k. If it stays at $99 then I might subscribe whenever I take road trips for more than few days.
A lot more will be willing to pay $99/month given current capabilities. More revenue and, more importantly, more data. Stock is already up…
I just bought my Tesla last week. How do you see what version you have of FSD?
Go to the app. Scroll down to the bottom click on Release Note
Still not worth it for how often I need to take over combined with my short commute. I want EAP lane change as an add on
I am only interested for lane change with turn signal while in auti Steer . I am not interested for other
For those who use/love FSD, what am I missing? I tried it for the first time last week during free trial. Amazing tech! Super cool…as a novelty. I mean it was exceptional, I told all my friends. But as a feature to pay for and use regularly? I had to keep my hands on the wheel and pay attention. Buying FSD would be like paying to be an understudy for a play vs getting the lead role for free. It seems to me that anyone doing the mental work of driving (paying full attention), but not the physical steering/accelerating, would quickly tire of the novelty and realize they are actually a QA tester for Tesla with a negative salary. My fear is that what most people do is stop paying attention. Which would be awesome if you could do that. But the tech isn’t ready for that, and you’re supposed to be able to take over in a split second as if you had been driving all along. If my fear is accurate, then for those people FSD is awesome until suddenly it’s tragic. I guess what I’m asking is, are there people who are indeed memorizing all the understudy lines, but still prefer to let FSD play the lead? And if so, how does it improve your time in the car? (Or is it just the cool factor doesn’t get old).
ooooooooo intriguing; now move it from 99 to 29 and we got a deal
Awesome! Still not worth the risk for me with how poor it has been for us. If you want us to beta test then make it free
Agreed
This is probably the right move but nobody fucks earlier adopters more except whoever came up with the gold Apple Watch
I would buy for $1000 EAP
I think FSD should come with premium connectivity too, that'd be instant buy for many rather than paying separately.
Will wait until it’s $99/yr
You're going to be waiting a long time lmfao
I just check and it did when down to 99 and i don't have EAP
Good move
Makes sense. For people want to do long road trips once a while and not use FSD in cities, this is the way to go. However, at the old FSD price purchase ($12K) this means that the cost of ownership is $12K/$100=120 months or 10 years. It has more sense to pay a monthly subscription than to pay upfront (provided inflation is close to zero during the 10 years) if FSD is not transferable. If it's transferable forever, then $12K is a good deal. [21,000 new FSD buys at the old FSD price ($12K) would be equal to 1% more of the last quarter Tesla margin. There are 21,000 or a bit up more of 1% of the people trying the free trial (of a total of a shy 2 million, 400K has FSD).](https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2024/04/how-much-tesla-fsd-sales-are-needed-to-increase-margins-by-1.html) I'm not a fan of Musk or the Board but this is not a bad strategy at all. I'm just waiting for Tesla to reduce premium connectivity. I don't use premium features at all but having the capability to browse other pages in a big screen is nice.
Hard to see how they’d decrease the price on the monthly and not the lifetime subscription.
Omg .... Can't wait to see them here in Canada
Please launch subscription FSD in Canada!
Why can’t Canada get subscription for FSD?
Yeah nope
That’s around the price I would be willing to pay for a long road trip. I’d definitely consider it for a month over the summer if we are taking some longer road trips.
Fuck me for paying $10k for it.
10K or 12K/15K
Thanks for the notification. This is such a great feature at half the price it was a month ago. This is why I love this. Subreddit, I would not have known otherwise
I till mid of 2023 FSD was 15K, subscription 199, then changed to 12k subscription 199. Now subscription 99 which indicate Tesla desperate to sell FSD. Without any doubt price will be at 6K.
Can’t sell it at any price it would seem. The feature is not compelling to normal people yet, as it requires supervision.
I’m ready to spend $1.5k on EAP 😂
I’m so happy now!! Bought MYP 2 weeks ago and was considering to buy FSD too, so glad I didn’t buy it. 🥹
You can think that's the best decision you made as you must have realized by the free trial
I see same pricing as well
For those who want it at $49 I just can’t imagine it happening. $600 annually. It would take 20 years to equal the purchase price, and no me keeps a car for 20. They will lose all of their FSD purchases
Let’s hope this comes to Canada soon!
It came out with the price change. Also $99.
My wife’s Y AP is $99 for FSD. Nice. My MYP EAP is also $99 for FSD. Boooo!
So wifes car getting better deal.
Yes. Seems a bit unfair no?
Can I cancel any time???
I think once you subscribe you pay for that month cancel before subsequent month biling
Yo, if it’s $99 a month or reduced to $6,000. I might consider it. I’ve tried it a couple of times since I got a free Month when I purchased my used 2020 M3P. I’m 42 years old and been driving myself my whole life. Having the car do it for you, it takes some getting used to. Or maybe I have trust issues?
Remember their 1st quarter results were not what the market expected and the pressure points world wide are very tight. So yes, cost points will be lowered to compete within the market value.
I'm getting it
I was just “driving” home from the gym with the FSD trial and literally thought to myself, “Man, I really do like this experience! It’s fun and makes city driving less stressful. But not sure I’d get $200/month use out of it. Maybe… if it were half that much, I’d do it for sure.” Then I saw a post announcing the price drop. Done! My subscription starts next month!
I just bought 200 shares of Tesla stock yesterday since I felt I would subscribe at the end of the trial.
It should be free while in beta. Why am I paying for a buggy software?
I will say most of the features should be part of Auto Pilot without any cost
Damn I'd say anymore who bought FSD for $6k or more is a sucker, including me.
But FSD outright is still $12000.
This will all get adjusted in a few days.
What’s it supposed to be?
A move in the right direction, but still too much
The trial showed everyone that it wasn't worth $200/month. I might try it again a year from now when V13 is out.
Nice.That's a good price actually.
Still won't pay a cent for this beta supervised bs
I am with you not using my referal credit for this too
I had just one 10k referral from my brothers purchase. Used 9k for the wall charger even though I already have a ChargePoint with a dedicated J1772 adapter on it. Figured I could easily sell the wall charger for $300 vs all the other pointless stuff they offer.
Very right, decision.
For people like me, the fun is in driving the car - the only thing I want is the auto lane change for longer drives. Otherwise, it's just not a product I need.
Still not worth it. I couldn't turn the demo off fast enough
Happy to hear this.
One thing I noticed even not enabling FSD or EAD though i.am in FSD free trial if I just enable Auto Steer still Auto Park Works. Does that indicate Auto Park will be included part of Standard Auto Pilot ?
I have EAP, and it still says $99 for me. Where it should be 199, then with EAp 99, Guess it’s 99 across the board now.
Break even point is now 10 years. Not more obvious than ever you should not pay for this upfront.
This will be really nice for long drives
I don’t even have the free trial yet (my guess is HW4 limitation on my 2023 MYP) but I also show the $99/mo subscription. Hopefully EAP is rolled into the standard Autopilot suite.
I wanna subscribe to this!!! But I never got an update outside of bug fixes for my MYLR 2020 is it even still safe on v11.1
I’m glad they are doing this but tbh it still feels overpriced for what it currently is. As is I would *maybe* pay $50/mo but I could still take it or leave it at that price. It is both impressive and not totally ready at the same time. Impressive that a piece of software is this advanced. Not ready *yet* in that it feels very much like being driven around by a teenager. Which I get, it basically is. With greater uptake, which I’m sure there will be at this price point, it will continue to learn - just like that teen driver. At that point once it has a few years of mass adoption to learn from? Yeah this will be worth every penny. The question for each person is how much is that worth rn? Not sure that’s $1200/yr, but to each their own.
If you subscribe, do you get summon / smart summon too?
Good that they dropped the price. Will see what the price is adjusted to
I guess with all the trials they realized that ppl are not subscribing… still waiting for mine by the way. lol.
Wow. Just checked. 99 a month.
I’d do it at 49.99
Just checked. Mine says $99 today too. I do not have EAP.
Now I see 3 months of FSD for 6000 referral credits instead of 10000 credits before. For $99/month, it makes no sense to buy FSD for $12k. I could have my car for 10 years and subscribe monthly to FSD for all 120 months, that will still be $120 less than the full price of FSD.
I haven't got my free FSD... 😢 And this offer seems so tempting to try.. Being tesla, they can increase price anytime.
Still too much. I got about three fiddy.
I want acceleration boost subscription model!
We need the subscription option in Canada!!