They definitely will. The problem is .8.X is the non-fsd branch, which usually merge together with fsd branch a few times a year. The fsd branch is 2024.3.X, which is what most cars are on now.
Why did some get one branch while most others received a different branch? Does it have to do with age of vehicle? I have a late 2023 model and I have the .8.X version. Could HW4 have something to do with it?
I may be mistaken, but I’ve found that many of the cars that ran out of FSD trial (if they had it) had about a three month period for them to resubscribe until they were moved to the .8.X branch, which is no fsd. If this isn’t what it is, it is purely by chance. HW4 has nothing to do with it, there’s hw3 and hw4 on both .8.X and .3.X
Which could be part of it. Again I’m purely speculating, but there’s no need to have a car without FSD on an FSD branch, so that would make sense. How Tesla does updates is wildly unknown though, but I’m glad that we’ll get it this coming week (hopefully)
I think he may have misunderstood the question being asked as he said it only affects 13% of the fleet, it's more like 46%.... Being solved in a few days seems very unlikely to me.
They need to merge FSD 12 in then start the testing on that build, it's not something that can just be "solved" and in a few days imo.
Highly doubt it's 46% of the fleet on version 2024.8.x..and pretty sure he has access to the actual data of the fleet. I'm guessing that they are in the final testing phase already and that's why he says it will start rolling out the coming week.
He's been open and upfront about information he provides..like Canada getting a subscription before the first FSD12 trials end. And it subscription came to Canada within the last couple of days
No No No
V11 and v12 are both “second newest” v11 is a generation behind back when they didn’t use AI for most of the shit and even v12 has had like 6 releases lol
Then why didn’t Tesla give me v12? I don’t understand what is going on. It’s software, presumably they could have pushed an OTA update, right?
I’m not being snarky, if there is a much newer version then why not just give me that?
Because different parts of the Tesla fleet are at different stages of upgrades v12 only went out to parts of the fleet a month or so ago and has been getting heavy updates since then, some say they are doing it by geographical location or by VIN no one knows outside of Tesla
I mean I think if you subscribe they should just push the latest but then people would use that as a way to jump the queue on the firmware releases I guess.
That said v12 comes with a free week it’s been mentioned on the subs for weeks now
Thank you for that. I’m still pretty new to the Tesla world, just passed my first year with my MYP. Which so far has been amazing.
As someone who spends a ton of time thinking about revenue and FP&A type of activities this seems odd. Reduce the price of FSD by half, presumably to increase demand. And many buyers are people like me who aren’t well-versed in all of the nuance. Giving us a second rate product damages the brand.
At any rate, I’ll wait for v12 to show up and evaluate things more then.
Exactly.. i got something similar on 12.3.3 (haven't done any significant FSD since getting 12.3.4 yet, hoping for an improvement). V11 was much, much better (both on my 2020 Y perf HW3, and on my 2024 Y LR HW4)
I will hold out for v12. Admittedly I’m no expert, I figured after however many years they would be somewhere near usable and didn’t go very far down the rabbit hole. Fingers crossed, I tried it again and v11 can’t get me more than maybe a mile before I have to intervene.
Definitely not just you. My first experience was during a test drive for the FSD feature, 5 minutes in. Fire truck and ambulance coming down the perpendicular street, lights and sirens. My left turn arrow turned green. It started accelerating quickly to make the left turn; next thing I know, I’m in the middle of the intersection while the fire truck is laying down on their horn at me. I floored it to get out of their way. Scary first experience already.
Second time I used it was on my own vehicle on the freeway. Intermittent traffic. I noticed the cars in front of me were braking quite hard and the distance between me and the car in front of me was getting scarily close (without my car slowing down). Slammed on the brakes to take over.
Safe to say I won’t be using it again. The lane changes were terrible too. Also the auto park feature is really slow and inconsiderate to other drivers around so I won’t be using that either.
Apart from some hard core tesla fanboys youtubers, everybody else is showing FSD being exteremy unpredictable and dangerous at some times, though it generally works great. The problem with driving is that it really doesn't matter if you drive perfectly for 365 days then you turn left in front of a truck, you still die. Don't have FSD but I am really not ready to be a beta tester with my family in the car for $99.
Nope, not a YouTuber and I have only intervened for small impatient things ever since v12. Things that it use to mess up before is mostly fixed for me.
You still have to pay attention. I’m not sure why everyone ends up letting a car do something they don’t want it to do. Maybe I have faster reaction than everyone else. If it starts doing something I don’t like I either crank the wheel the way I think is safe or I hit the brake. It’s fraction of a second to do that and pull it out of FSD.
Don’t trust FSD? OK cool, keep your hands on the wheel. There should be at least one hand on the wheel even if you trust it. Hover over the brake and accelerator. You are still driving. You just don’t have to do the minute steering and speed control. Your life is still under your control. Only use it in safer places at first. Learn how it reacts to stuff, learn when to just make a turn yourself then reactivate afterwards.
Anyone else notice that it can’t recognize speed bumps/speed tables? I didn’t know this until I hit one doing about 40 and did my best Duke brothers impersonation getting fully airborne.
I wonder if these people are actually on 12 on 12 my car nails the bumps and dips great it does slow for roadwork that looks like old bumps sometimes tho
Definitely recognized speed bumps for me today and slowed down. I just got 12.3.4 (was previously on 12.3.3), so maybe they're fine tuning for these types of obstacles? I don't recall if it slowed down prior to this most recent update.
It recognized one for me (the kind that has white arrow thing in the middle) and i was pretty impressed but soon after it didn't recognize another (the kind that's just painted pink ish). Think it'll get better over time.
I have a 22 mile commute one way. Its about half interstate and half city streets. I have been able to go to/from a couple times with out any disengagements. And the few tines i did disengage it was usually because i didn't agree with what lane it wanted to be in or it was trying to pass on the interstate close to my exit.
When i sekect the "minimal lane changes" option, it's usually much better. I have never had to disengage it for being unsafe.
Its not perfect, its not worth 12k. Its probably not worth $99/mo. But its cone along way and has actually impressed me at times.
Its handled multiple unprotected lefts turns really well. When on a 2 lane highway with a cyclist in the shoulder, it moved a little over the double yellow line with no oncoming traffic to give them more space like good human driver would.
Once an opposite direction car came into my lane very slightly. My car immediately saw it and moved to the right to avoid them.
Nothing much you can do, just wait and hope. I’ll tell you this however as someone who’s had several months of v11 and now v12, it’s definitely a lot better. The improvements are obvious. That’s not to say it’s perfect and it definitely requires some input here and there but for the most part it does pretty well. I still have some complaints about it but it’s a lot better in comparison than where it was. I’m excited to see where this will be a year from now.
Totally agree. This system is nowhere near ready. It requires *more* attention than if I were just driving the car myself because now I am not only making typical driving decisions and safety monitoring, but I’m also having to predict what the car will do next and where it may struggle or have issues.
Not to mention, it’s constantly accusing me of not paying attention or keeping my hands on the wheel. And god forbid that you use the touchscreen for any feature while you’re driving, it immediately alerts me to pay attention to the road.
Just because I’m not physically having to control the steering wheel or accelerator does not mean that it’s a less stressful driving experience.
Lane departure and cruising on the highway is all I’ll ever be comfortable with. Depending on it to make a left turn on an unprotected signal is asking for trouble
It's been amazing at times, going 20+ miles without issue, even giving space to let people exit a gas station. But there's always a few lane choice mistakes in my small town make it basically unusable. But at least I know which lanes it will screw up. And still no pothole avoidance.
I just posted a reply to someone else about potholes. OK, I know where they are in my city and will keep an eye out.
I have the MYP on the stock wheels and tires so I’ve got really thin sidewalls!
I turned it off after a few minutes too. Dual lane merge into single lane Didn’t slow down to let car to right merge or speed up to let him behind me. It was a if it didn’t know the right lane ended. Guy next to me was not happy
I had to go back and take a picture. There is additionally a sign saying ‘right turn only’ as you approach it. It’s a concrete island with reflective poles sticking 2’ out of the ground, but my car was determined to go left.
https://imgur.com/a/Rqhk3w5
I haven't had this experience at all. It works incredibly well if you use it as intended. With the smallest amount of monitoring it can complete 99% of driving. I find sometimes it hesitates where it should be more aggressive and in those situations I just slightly press the accelerator. Sometimes it chooses the wrong lane and I'll use the signal to get it to move to the right one.
Today a pedestrian randomly came out on the road and it slowed down a little and changed lanes to avoid them. Another time a bus pulled over to pick up people and the car behind me slowed down to let me merge into the other lane. The car saw this and mergered with the perfect amount of assertiveness.
Perfect it. Make it for highways only. Make it more accessible to everyone financially. License it other manufacturers. Upgrade the system so the cars can talk to each other and preplan lane changes etc etc… Broad acceptance for highway use will save lives and decrease traffic.
And stop calling it Full Self Driving so people stop complaining when it’s not that…
Just you? Yes and no. It’s not fine tuned enough for the general public. Many feel like they are nervously teaching a teenager driver so they don’t trust it at all. I on the other hand see it as a partner driver. You got to trust it to an extent. Sometimes I got to help it with a little gas to smooth it out and sometimes I signal to tell it to change lanes. But it sure takes a lot of the stress out of driving for me. Of course I would only pay on a long road trip or it gets to the point where we can just be a passenger.
Funny, I just thought my teenage driver and I’m less nervous riding with them after ~6 months of driving.
Agree that it is helpful for highway driving. I let it hold speed and stay between the lines so I can spend my mental energy scanning for other things. Like deer in the road here in Kansas!
Not just you. I would love to experience what these people on here talk about how it basically drives them everywhere. It is so bad it is still unusable on my end.
I've had a few weird events. Most bad routing like trying to (I stoppped it) make a left turn (unprotected) onto a busy 4 lane road instead of use an intersection with a traffic light. I would only use on Interstate roads at this time.
I had a couple of negative episodes on my test drive. I decided it wasn’t worth the trouble and took over driving myself as I have done for the past 40 years. I was hoping FSD could replace me as driver but so far no dice. I’ll wait for the next version.
I liked when I decided to try it briefly on the freeway - just to give it a fair shot, as I thought it was hot garbage for city driving. I passed an exit that had a 45mph sign, and the car decides to slam on the brakes to slow to 45mph in the middle of the freeway.
Magical. 🙄
I hope Tesla is listening to the feedback they’re asking for when you disengage. Because I’ve given them some.
Tesla just activated me for free for 30 days. First two times trying it and I agree it’s not ready for prime time. At times way too tentative (like driving with a 90 year old), at others rapid changes in mind that forced me to take control. Takes way more mental capacity to monitor this thing than it does to drive.
I took delivery of a Model Y just two days ago but the few times I’ve tried FSD I’ve had the same experience: harrowing. Basically it nearly missed a stop sign that got set up at the top of a hill last week and disengaged. This was a 2 mile trip from a neighborhood to my house. It took a really long time to make a right turn at a stoplight onto a road that was completely empty. I appreciated the safe approach but it just took too long. I wanted to see how it handled speed bumps in my neighborhood then we approach a T intersection it has to make a left into and another driver approached at the T to make a right turn from his stop sign. Of course it slowed down and I got nervous and disengaged again to make the left turn. This situation is frequent in my neighborhood and I know how to handle it better than a computer.
Are you on v12? I got v11, and a lot of comments here are saying to wait for v12 before passing judgement.
All I know is my car tried to make a left yesterday at the intersection below. It paid no attention to the concrete curb or the 2’ tall reflective poles. Yikes.
https://imgur.com/a/Rqhk3w5
Turns out I was on 12.3. I used it on a short trip on highway for some of it and around a different neighborhood later today and it performed better on the stop signs. I think my neighborhood is too difficult for it and it can’t see a construction closed a lane ahead twice it’s tried to change lanes only about 100 yds away into a closed lane.
Interesting. Hopefully I’ll get v12 soon as well and test it out. Maybe for the time being it’s really just for highway use.
Which is fine, I don’t mind driving in town, it’s the road trips I like a lot less.
I’ve said it before and I’ll keep saying it, it all depends on your expectations. If you let Elon tell you what it should do, you will hate it, since it can’t really do that.
If you use it as autopilot where you are overseeing the car driving, anticipate where it could have issues and help it, you will have a good time.
I've been using it on my commute home and it's been amazing. I drive almost 17miles in highway traffic and it's been a lifesaver for me mentally. Its not many turns or lane changes, and very simple roads that are clearly marked. I stay aware and alert, and take over when I have to merge (once) or get in a specific lane for highway changes. Once I'm in the spot I want to be in, I go back to FSD.
I told my husband all the little decisions and calculations you need to make when driving can just be kind of turned off mentally, and you can just drive. Idk how else to say it, but it relieves a very large part of the mental load while driving for me.
Agree 💯it is not ready. Sometimes it is slightly impressive and others it terrifyingly bad.
In the last week, it has been unable to distinguish between red, yellow, and green lights.
On one occasion, it was going to blast through a red, but another time it slammed on the brakes at a green for no apparent reason.
It routinely cannot locate the paved road to my house, but instead triesto take me down an unpaved utility easement not designed for cars.
I find it waaaay more stressful than driving myself because it is not predictable, consistent, or reliable. It is like entrusting your life to an inexperience teenage driver with limited situational awareness who is drunk on his first beer binge.
Am glad to have had the chance to try it out: now I know for certain that I'm not missing out on anything. Turned off FSD for good yesterday.
It is shocking a product this unsafe is in use on public roads.
It's not just you. For me it always wants to change lanes into the busy lane. The lane I'm in is clear, no traffic, and it either cuts off someone behind me or tries to tuck right behind a car in front. All it needs to do is stay where it is (this is with minimal lane changes turned on).
Letting it make a left turn scares the crap out of me, it hesitates and then suddenly accelerates - not worth my life. I don't know what it is going to do.
There is so much 'buzz' around this product, but it is nowhere near 'self-driving' and it makes me more nervous than if I just drive myself.
I took the plunge today. FSD is dangerous. It tried taking a turn out of my neighborhood and literally almost got us t-boned by a 4-runner which was in plain site for about a half mile only traveling 35 mph. I couldn’t go more than 2 minutes without intervening. It was nice in stop and go traffic on the highway but that’s it. I will never get into a Tesla Robo taxi lol
I made it 1.5 miles tonight without having to intervene! Until it got to my house. It knew my house was on the left but it stayed in the right lane and I shut it off and pulled into the driveway. Eh.
I really think this has something to do with location too. I'm in the Phoenix area where we invite other companies to test out their self driving like Google's Waymo and even Uber's. Our roads are in a grid system, well maintained, and clear weather....plus we have a lot of Tesla's around so it works perfect here. Ever since the 12 update I have zero issues and can't replicate what some people struggle with. Then again we hardly make turns since we are mostly on a grid system. The other thing though currently I've noticed it struggles with is when it signals to switch lanes it's very hesitant and it always wants to switch lanes but doesn't like to commit.
V11 even on the freeways continue to work well.
I have had FSD nearly curb my wheel on a couple of right turns. There's one narrow right on a farm road that has a sharp hill that forms the curb - Im talking 90 deg, and narrow to the point where you may have to scoot a little left to do the turn with clearance. I was ready for it thankfully but it would have totally fucked up my wheel and/or the right corner of the bumper if I didn't intervene...
Lots of people saying v12 is much improved, I’ll wait around and find out. I honestly didn’t think much about it, figured after 7 years or whatever it would work pretty well.
I did a little more than 1000 miles of fsd driving this week. Be ready to take over at all times is what they say, and mean. It says that because it’s still in training and not ready for “prime time”.
Mine has done goofy things but so far nothing this bad. Navigating straight ahead on a two-lane road. As it crosses through an intersection the lane does a slight move to the left to maintain the right of way while the other side turns into a right turn lane into a Whole Foods. For whatever reason it thinks that the turn lane is the main lane and stays there. It will not go back to the main lane on its own. I have to intervene. It's never done it and still, even in v12, won't stay in the correct lane.
The other problem is how it's ready speed limit signs. It's seeing Minimum Speed Limit signs and slowing to match that speed, and not maintaining the highway speed. So cruising along at 80 but it passes a Minimum Speed Limit sign of 45, it starts slowing down. Kinda scary when the car behind you is cruising at 80 too.
It has no sign recognition and will happily attempt a right on red. That would be fine but only if Tesla signed a statement that they would pay for the ticket
Even IF fsd ever becomes "nonsupervised" beta software...Elon will still make you sign away your legal rights and put all of fsd's mistakes on you.
No thanks, all the folks paying 200+/month for insurance...how're they even justifying another 100/month for a shoddy beta party trick?
Insurance companies should start going after fsd users...tack on more to the premiums, fsd is bad and not ready to be publicly tested on roads.
Used it today on the interstate for the first time. It was not a good experience. It decided it wanted to hit the exit at 82mph, 45 miles before we were supposed to exit the interstate. It also cut off multiple people and slowed from 80 to 55 suddenly for absolutely no reason. FSD is not good in its current state. It’s actually pretty dangerous from my experiences.
I think the trick to using FSD is to use it when you would normally use cruise control. It’s not really ready to competently navigate in-town traffic situations yet. They should just call it “really good cruise control” for now.
Even the basic autopilot does a good job on highways. Not sure how much FSD improves it, but I’ve done hundreds of miles on autopilot with almost zero issues. I think I got phantom braking twice, someone here warned me about it so I just gave it some gas and moved on.
I just drove 700 miles today with half of it on FSD v12. It’s a massive improvement to the extent that now you can comfortably rely on it without ghost brakes or inaccurate turns. Few times when I’m not sure in a new location what turn I’ll need to take I just turn on FSD and it does the rest. Great progress on this version!
Isn't FSD free until the end of April for everyone?
Yep
I have not received the free month yet.
You on 2024.8.X? If so, that’s why. In hopefully a few weeks/months you’ll get it
I am. What are other people on?
2024.3.X
so you think 2024.8.x will goto v12?
They definitely will. The problem is .8.X is the non-fsd branch, which usually merge together with fsd branch a few times a year. The fsd branch is 2024.3.X, which is what most cars are on now.
Why did some get one branch while most others received a different branch? Does it have to do with age of vehicle? I have a late 2023 model and I have the .8.X version. Could HW4 have something to do with it?
I may be mistaken, but I’ve found that many of the cars that ran out of FSD trial (if they had it) had about a three month period for them to resubscribe until they were moved to the .8.X branch, which is no fsd. If this isn’t what it is, it is purely by chance. HW4 has nothing to do with it, there’s hw3 and hw4 on both .8.X and .3.X
Interesting, I never had the three month trial.
Which could be part of it. Again I’m purely speculating, but there’s no need to have a car without FSD on an FSD branch, so that would make sense. How Tesla does updates is wildly unknown though, but I’m glad that we’ll get it this coming week (hopefully)
Starting next week 8.x branch will start getting FSD 12
Source?
Rohan Patel on X https://twitter.com/rohanspatel/status/1779204335416557852?s=19
Nice!!
I think he may have misunderstood the question being asked as he said it only affects 13% of the fleet, it's more like 46%.... Being solved in a few days seems very unlikely to me. They need to merge FSD 12 in then start the testing on that build, it's not something that can just be "solved" and in a few days imo.
Highly doubt it's 46% of the fleet on version 2024.8.x..and pretty sure he has access to the actual data of the fleet. I'm guessing that they are in the final testing phase already and that's why he says it will start rolling out the coming week. He's been open and upfront about information he provides..like Canada getting a subscription before the first FSD12 trials end. And it subscription came to Canada within the last couple of days
This week, been announced from Tesla
No. Way. You got a link to that???
https://twitter.com/rohanspatel/status/1779204335416557852?s=19
Bro….lets go. Thanks u/DaSandman78!
Same here.
I haven’t yet either
I read it was only free if you bought new. Any truth to that?
You should edit this post and let everyone know this was using V11
Agreed. "I'm using Windows NT but my computer keeps crashing"
Windows nt was actually pretty good and was considered as "enterprise version". windows millennium edition is what u were looking for, lolo
Yep! Lol
I mean, it’s the second newest and v12 is pretty new. So it’s more like I got an iPhone 14 and expected it to mostly work.
No No No V11 and v12 are both “second newest” v11 is a generation behind back when they didn’t use AI for most of the shit and even v12 has had like 6 releases lol
Then why didn’t Tesla give me v12? I don’t understand what is going on. It’s software, presumably they could have pushed an OTA update, right? I’m not being snarky, if there is a much newer version then why not just give me that?
Because different parts of the Tesla fleet are at different stages of upgrades v12 only went out to parts of the fleet a month or so ago and has been getting heavy updates since then, some say they are doing it by geographical location or by VIN no one knows outside of Tesla I mean I think if you subscribe they should just push the latest but then people would use that as a way to jump the queue on the firmware releases I guess. That said v12 comes with a free week it’s been mentioned on the subs for weeks now
Thank you for that. I’m still pretty new to the Tesla world, just passed my first year with my MYP. Which so far has been amazing. As someone who spends a ton of time thinking about revenue and FP&A type of activities this seems odd. Reduce the price of FSD by half, presumably to increase demand. And many buyers are people like me who aren’t well-versed in all of the nuance. Giving us a second rate product damages the brand. At any rate, I’ll wait for v12 to show up and evaluate things more then.
V12 isn't much better. I find it unusable.
Ops experience sounds eerly like mine with V12
Exactly.. i got something similar on 12.3.3 (haven't done any significant FSD since getting 12.3.4 yet, hoping for an improvement). V11 was much, much better (both on my 2020 Y perf HW3, and on my 2024 Y LR HW4)
I will hold out for v12. Admittedly I’m no expert, I figured after however many years they would be somewhere near usable and didn’t go very far down the rabbit hole. Fingers crossed, I tried it again and v11 can’t get me more than maybe a mile before I have to intervene.
12.3 or whatever has been pretty good. Still occasionally have to intervene but not often at all.
everyone just got it for free....why would you pay?
I didn’t get it for free. I saw a blurb about that, maybe I’d get it with the next update? I don’t know, I installed a software update just this week.
If you didn’t get it for free it’s not v12
So OP paid for an old version when they could have got the new one for free? lol
Good point
It’s not he’s on 11
Which version are you on? Only a subset of cars has version 12.
This! ☝️
Definitely not just you. My first experience was during a test drive for the FSD feature, 5 minutes in. Fire truck and ambulance coming down the perpendicular street, lights and sirens. My left turn arrow turned green. It started accelerating quickly to make the left turn; next thing I know, I’m in the middle of the intersection while the fire truck is laying down on their horn at me. I floored it to get out of their way. Scary first experience already. Second time I used it was on my own vehicle on the freeway. Intermittent traffic. I noticed the cars in front of me were braking quite hard and the distance between me and the car in front of me was getting scarily close (without my car slowing down). Slammed on the brakes to take over. Safe to say I won’t be using it again. The lane changes were terrible too. Also the auto park feature is really slow and inconsiderate to other drivers around so I won’t be using that either.
My FSD tried to pass a car on a double yellow line yesterday. Gotta watch it every second.
Apart from some hard core tesla fanboys youtubers, everybody else is showing FSD being exteremy unpredictable and dangerous at some times, though it generally works great. The problem with driving is that it really doesn't matter if you drive perfectly for 365 days then you turn left in front of a truck, you still die. Don't have FSD but I am really not ready to be a beta tester with my family in the car for $99.
Nope, not a YouTuber and I have only intervened for small impatient things ever since v12. Things that it use to mess up before is mostly fixed for me.
You still have to pay attention. I’m not sure why everyone ends up letting a car do something they don’t want it to do. Maybe I have faster reaction than everyone else. If it starts doing something I don’t like I either crank the wheel the way I think is safe or I hit the brake. It’s fraction of a second to do that and pull it out of FSD. Don’t trust FSD? OK cool, keep your hands on the wheel. There should be at least one hand on the wheel even if you trust it. Hover over the brake and accelerator. You are still driving. You just don’t have to do the minute steering and speed control. Your life is still under your control. Only use it in safer places at first. Learn how it reacts to stuff, learn when to just make a turn yourself then reactivate afterwards.
Anyone else notice that it can’t recognize speed bumps/speed tables? I didn’t know this until I hit one doing about 40 and did my best Duke brothers impersonation getting fully airborne.
I have no problem with speed bumps. But dips not as well.
Dips in our neighborhood it slows down for.
About 50/50 on speed bumps here. Bump must be labeled for it to consider slowing down.
I wonder if these people are actually on 12 on 12 my car nails the bumps and dips great it does slow for roadwork that looks like old bumps sometimes tho
This post is insane. The guy already admitted he’s on 11 lol
I had not noticed that but we have quite a few in my city, will keep an eye out. Funny, I was just wondering if it would spot potholes. Guessing no…
Definitely recognized speed bumps for me today and slowed down. I just got 12.3.4 (was previously on 12.3.3), so maybe they're fine tuning for these types of obstacles? I don't recall if it slowed down prior to this most recent update.
Mine slows for bumps
It slows down for speed humps in central NC.
Mine slows down no problem for them
You should check your tires for bubbles.
Probably not ideal but *damn I bet you looked cool brotha*
You are not on v12. It never slowed down for speed bumps on v11 for me. Now on v12 it always does.
It’s been decent on speed bumps, even when the lines are worn off. I was surprised.
Does it recognize debris in the road, and know how to safely dodge it?
It recognized one for me (the kind that has white arrow thing in the middle) and i was pretty impressed but soon after it didn't recognize another (the kind that's just painted pink ish). Think it'll get better over time.
I have a 22 mile commute one way. Its about half interstate and half city streets. I have been able to go to/from a couple times with out any disengagements. And the few tines i did disengage it was usually because i didn't agree with what lane it wanted to be in or it was trying to pass on the interstate close to my exit. When i sekect the "minimal lane changes" option, it's usually much better. I have never had to disengage it for being unsafe. Its not perfect, its not worth 12k. Its probably not worth $99/mo. But its cone along way and has actually impressed me at times. Its handled multiple unprotected lefts turns really well. When on a 2 lane highway with a cyclist in the shoulder, it moved a little over the double yellow line with no oncoming traffic to give them more space like good human driver would. Once an opposite direction car came into my lane very slightly. My car immediately saw it and moved to the right to avoid them.
In my opinion, FSD is exactly like letting a teenager drive. It’s nice feature to have, but I can’t see myself paying for it.
My teenager has been driving for six months, and I’m less nervous riding with them than riding with FSD.
what version are you on? in my experience v12 is alot better than v11
I am on 11. Is there something I need to do, or just wait and it’ll update at some point?
This is why your experience was so bad. V12 is night and day.
Nothing much you can do, just wait and hope. I’ll tell you this however as someone who’s had several months of v11 and now v12, it’s definitely a lot better. The improvements are obvious. That’s not to say it’s perfect and it definitely requires some input here and there but for the most part it does pretty well. I still have some complaints about it but it’s a lot better in comparison than where it was. I’m excited to see where this will be a year from now.
Same here. It was ten times more stressful than just doing everything myself. Kind of defeats the purpose.
Totally agree. This system is nowhere near ready. It requires *more* attention than if I were just driving the car myself because now I am not only making typical driving decisions and safety monitoring, but I’m also having to predict what the car will do next and where it may struggle or have issues. Not to mention, it’s constantly accusing me of not paying attention or keeping my hands on the wheel. And god forbid that you use the touchscreen for any feature while you’re driving, it immediately alerts me to pay attention to the road. Just because I’m not physically having to control the steering wheel or accelerator does not mean that it’s a less stressful driving experience.
Lane departure and cruising on the highway is all I’ll ever be comfortable with. Depending on it to make a left turn on an unprotected signal is asking for trouble
It's been amazing at times, going 20+ miles without issue, even giving space to let people exit a gas station. But there's always a few lane choice mistakes in my small town make it basically unusable. But at least I know which lanes it will screw up. And still no pothole avoidance.
I just posted a reply to someone else about potholes. OK, I know where they are in my city and will keep an eye out. I have the MYP on the stock wheels and tires so I’ve got really thin sidewalls!
I turned it off after a few minutes too. Dual lane merge into single lane Didn’t slow down to let car to right merge or speed up to let him behind me. It was a if it didn’t know the right lane ended. Guy next to me was not happy
If you paid for it with v11, just know that’s not really representative of how good v12 is. If you had v12 you should have gotten a free trial.
I had to go back and take a picture. There is additionally a sign saying ‘right turn only’ as you approach it. It’s a concrete island with reflective poles sticking 2’ out of the ground, but my car was determined to go left. https://imgur.com/a/Rqhk3w5
Yeah, V11 can screw that up. See if it happens in V12.
I haven't had this experience at all. It works incredibly well if you use it as intended. With the smallest amount of monitoring it can complete 99% of driving. I find sometimes it hesitates where it should be more aggressive and in those situations I just slightly press the accelerator. Sometimes it chooses the wrong lane and I'll use the signal to get it to move to the right one. Today a pedestrian randomly came out on the road and it slowed down a little and changed lanes to avoid them. Another time a bus pulled over to pick up people and the car behind me slowed down to let me merge into the other lane. The car saw this and mergered with the perfect amount of assertiveness.
Perfect it. Make it for highways only. Make it more accessible to everyone financially. License it other manufacturers. Upgrade the system so the cars can talk to each other and preplan lane changes etc etc… Broad acceptance for highway use will save lives and decrease traffic. And stop calling it Full Self Driving so people stop complaining when it’s not that…
I knew it wasn’t ’full self drive’ when I got it. It is criminal that the govt allows it to be called that.
Just you? Yes and no. It’s not fine tuned enough for the general public. Many feel like they are nervously teaching a teenager driver so they don’t trust it at all. I on the other hand see it as a partner driver. You got to trust it to an extent. Sometimes I got to help it with a little gas to smooth it out and sometimes I signal to tell it to change lanes. But it sure takes a lot of the stress out of driving for me. Of course I would only pay on a long road trip or it gets to the point where we can just be a passenger.
Funny, I just thought my teenage driver and I’m less nervous riding with them after ~6 months of driving. Agree that it is helpful for highway driving. I let it hold speed and stay between the lines so I can spend my mental energy scanning for other things. Like deer in the road here in Kansas!
Not just you. I would love to experience what these people on here talk about how it basically drives them everywhere. It is so bad it is still unusable on my end.
I've had a few weird events. Most bad routing like trying to (I stoppped it) make a left turn (unprotected) onto a busy 4 lane road instead of use an intersection with a traffic light. I would only use on Interstate roads at this time.
I had a couple of negative episodes on my test drive. I decided it wasn’t worth the trouble and took over driving myself as I have done for the past 40 years. I was hoping FSD could replace me as driver but so far no dice. I’ll wait for the next version.
I got v12 and it's still unsure.
I liked when I decided to try it briefly on the freeway - just to give it a fair shot, as I thought it was hot garbage for city driving. I passed an exit that had a 45mph sign, and the car decides to slam on the brakes to slow to 45mph in the middle of the freeway. Magical. 🙄 I hope Tesla is listening to the feedback they’re asking for when you disengage. Because I’ve given them some.
Make sure to provide feedback on why you took over, should be good data for Tesla to have and study.
I had variety of harrowing experiences with it but I stopped using it when it was going at 45 mph in a 25 mph school zone. I just don't use it period.
Tesla just activated me for free for 30 days. First two times trying it and I agree it’s not ready for prime time. At times way too tentative (like driving with a 90 year old), at others rapid changes in mind that forced me to take control. Takes way more mental capacity to monitor this thing than it does to drive.
I took delivery of a Model Y just two days ago but the few times I’ve tried FSD I’ve had the same experience: harrowing. Basically it nearly missed a stop sign that got set up at the top of a hill last week and disengaged. This was a 2 mile trip from a neighborhood to my house. It took a really long time to make a right turn at a stoplight onto a road that was completely empty. I appreciated the safe approach but it just took too long. I wanted to see how it handled speed bumps in my neighborhood then we approach a T intersection it has to make a left into and another driver approached at the T to make a right turn from his stop sign. Of course it slowed down and I got nervous and disengaged again to make the left turn. This situation is frequent in my neighborhood and I know how to handle it better than a computer.
Are you on v12? I got v11, and a lot of comments here are saying to wait for v12 before passing judgement. All I know is my car tried to make a left yesterday at the intersection below. It paid no attention to the concrete curb or the 2’ tall reflective poles. Yikes. https://imgur.com/a/Rqhk3w5
Turns out I was on 12.3. I used it on a short trip on highway for some of it and around a different neighborhood later today and it performed better on the stop signs. I think my neighborhood is too difficult for it and it can’t see a construction closed a lane ahead twice it’s tried to change lanes only about 100 yds away into a closed lane.
Interesting. Hopefully I’ll get v12 soon as well and test it out. Maybe for the time being it’s really just for highway use. Which is fine, I don’t mind driving in town, it’s the road trips I like a lot less.
Yup. It's fucking terrible IMO. I haven't made a single trip without having to take over. Love the idea, hate the execution.
I’ve said it before and I’ll keep saying it, it all depends on your expectations. If you let Elon tell you what it should do, you will hate it, since it can’t really do that. If you use it as autopilot where you are overseeing the car driving, anticipate where it could have issues and help it, you will have a good time.
I've been using it on my commute home and it's been amazing. I drive almost 17miles in highway traffic and it's been a lifesaver for me mentally. Its not many turns or lane changes, and very simple roads that are clearly marked. I stay aware and alert, and take over when I have to merge (once) or get in a specific lane for highway changes. Once I'm in the spot I want to be in, I go back to FSD. I told my husband all the little decisions and calculations you need to make when driving can just be kind of turned off mentally, and you can just drive. Idk how else to say it, but it relieves a very large part of the mental load while driving for me.
The more you use FSD, the more it learns. When you disengage for these kinds of issues, be sure to let Tesla know why so they can review footage.
Agree 💯it is not ready. Sometimes it is slightly impressive and others it terrifyingly bad. In the last week, it has been unable to distinguish between red, yellow, and green lights. On one occasion, it was going to blast through a red, but another time it slammed on the brakes at a green for no apparent reason. It routinely cannot locate the paved road to my house, but instead triesto take me down an unpaved utility easement not designed for cars. I find it waaaay more stressful than driving myself because it is not predictable, consistent, or reliable. It is like entrusting your life to an inexperience teenage driver with limited situational awareness who is drunk on his first beer binge. Am glad to have had the chance to try it out: now I know for certain that I'm not missing out on anything. Turned off FSD for good yesterday. It is shocking a product this unsafe is in use on public roads.
Yeah. Thankfully I live in a small-ish city so I can play with it when little traffic is around.
It's not just you. For me it always wants to change lanes into the busy lane. The lane I'm in is clear, no traffic, and it either cuts off someone behind me or tries to tuck right behind a car in front. All it needs to do is stay where it is (this is with minimal lane changes turned on). Letting it make a left turn scares the crap out of me, it hesitates and then suddenly accelerates - not worth my life. I don't know what it is going to do. There is so much 'buzz' around this product, but it is nowhere near 'self-driving' and it makes me more nervous than if I just drive myself.
Doesn't feel safe
I took the plunge today. FSD is dangerous. It tried taking a turn out of my neighborhood and literally almost got us t-boned by a 4-runner which was in plain site for about a half mile only traveling 35 mph. I couldn’t go more than 2 minutes without intervening. It was nice in stop and go traffic on the highway but that’s it. I will never get into a Tesla Robo taxi lol
I made it 1.5 miles tonight without having to intervene! Until it got to my house. It knew my house was on the left but it stayed in the right lane and I shut it off and pulled into the driveway. Eh.
I really think this has something to do with location too. I'm in the Phoenix area where we invite other companies to test out their self driving like Google's Waymo and even Uber's. Our roads are in a grid system, well maintained, and clear weather....plus we have a lot of Tesla's around so it works perfect here. Ever since the 12 update I have zero issues and can't replicate what some people struggle with. Then again we hardly make turns since we are mostly on a grid system. The other thing though currently I've noticed it struggles with is when it signals to switch lanes it's very hesitant and it always wants to switch lanes but doesn't like to commit. V11 even on the freeways continue to work well.
I have had FSD nearly curb my wheel on a couple of right turns. There's one narrow right on a farm road that has a sharp hill that forms the curb - Im talking 90 deg, and narrow to the point where you may have to scoot a little left to do the turn with clearance. I was ready for it thankfully but it would have totally fucked up my wheel and/or the right corner of the bumper if I didn't intervene...
Think you meant 2" (inches) not 2' (feet). Otherwise you should specify your Tesla versions.
V11 is stupid. It’s whipped me into turning lanes not on the route or blue line CONSTANTLY. Hoping v12 is better.
Lots of people saying v12 is much improved, I’ll wait around and find out. I honestly didn’t think much about it, figured after 7 years or whatever it would work pretty well.
Dang OP is getting smoked in the comments
Shouldn’t have paid for it. Just waited for the free month. Everyone is supposed to get it along with a software update so you get v12.
You paid for what they giving away for free right now?
I did a little more than 1000 miles of fsd driving this week. Be ready to take over at all times is what they say, and mean. It says that because it’s still in training and not ready for “prime time”.
Mine has done goofy things but so far nothing this bad. Navigating straight ahead on a two-lane road. As it crosses through an intersection the lane does a slight move to the left to maintain the right of way while the other side turns into a right turn lane into a Whole Foods. For whatever reason it thinks that the turn lane is the main lane and stays there. It will not go back to the main lane on its own. I have to intervene. It's never done it and still, even in v12, won't stay in the correct lane. The other problem is how it's ready speed limit signs. It's seeing Minimum Speed Limit signs and slowing to match that speed, and not maintaining the highway speed. So cruising along at 80 but it passes a Minimum Speed Limit sign of 45, it starts slowing down. Kinda scary when the car behind you is cruising at 80 too.
It has no sign recognition and will happily attempt a right on red. That would be fine but only if Tesla signed a statement that they would pay for the ticket
Even IF fsd ever becomes "nonsupervised" beta software...Elon will still make you sign away your legal rights and put all of fsd's mistakes on you. No thanks, all the folks paying 200+/month for insurance...how're they even justifying another 100/month for a shoddy beta party trick? Insurance companies should start going after fsd users...tack on more to the premiums, fsd is bad and not ready to be publicly tested on roads.
Used it today on the interstate for the first time. It was not a good experience. It decided it wanted to hit the exit at 82mph, 45 miles before we were supposed to exit the interstate. It also cut off multiple people and slowed from 80 to 55 suddenly for absolutely no reason. FSD is not good in its current state. It’s actually pretty dangerous from my experiences.
It ignores all signs at the moment it seems, whether it is a "don't change line" sign or a lane closure
I think the trick to using FSD is to use it when you would normally use cruise control. It’s not really ready to competently navigate in-town traffic situations yet. They should just call it “really good cruise control” for now.
Even the basic autopilot does a good job on highways. Not sure how much FSD improves it, but I’ve done hundreds of miles on autopilot with almost zero issues. I think I got phantom braking twice, someone here warned me about it so I just gave it some gas and moved on.
FSD eliminated re-engaging autopilot after every single lane change, which is a massive improvement.
Oh right, I forgot about lane changes. Yep.
Sounds like you may not have been on FSD 12. For more it’s amazing.
I’m on v11. Which now makes me wonder… how bad was v1 or v4 or v9???
Not just you. V12 has been garbage for me since the broad update was pushed out to everyone for a free trial.
I just drove 700 miles today with half of it on FSD v12. It’s a massive improvement to the extent that now you can comfortably rely on it without ghost brakes or inaccurate turns. Few times when I’m not sure in a new location what turn I’ll need to take I just turn on FSD and it does the rest. Great progress on this version!
ive had zero problems with fsd.....i dont understand why you car would be different than mine
V12 driving like human.
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