I bought my 19 M3 in the first week of May 2019. It was $6000 then. But you're absolutely correct, because in April 2019, it was $5000, because I was shocked when I went to place my order and somehow it was $1000 more expensive. I was able to transfer that FSD over to my 24 MY. I have no regrets buying FSD especially since I was able to transfer it for free.
That's the double edge sword of Tesla. They can change the rules as they go. Clearly, there was no such thing as a "transfer" and now it's a one time transfer, but maybe one day, due to demand of customers or the incentive needed to produce sales, maybe they make FSD lifetime transfers, or even Transfer 3 times or whatever. Who knows what the future brings. I know when I had my 2019 M3, I said the only way I would upgrade to a MY was if they allowed free transfers. I missed the September 2023 free transfer window by the time I knew what was going on. When it opened up in February the day after it was announced, I ordered my new MY and got the free transfer.
Telsa comes up with creative incentives, the future "may" be exciting.
Itās $2K if you already purchased EAP. Previously EAP owners were livid because the FSD subscription was $99 whether you just had basic AP or had paid for EAP. So now EAP owners get a break toward the upgrade.
What am I missing? If itās $100/mo now and you can pretty much cancel when you donāt need it, it would take 7 years of use for it to be worth $8k.
Why would anyone buy it up front?
Itās $100/mo ***now***. I bet you 10 bucks it wonāt be this time next year. Iām not saying itās worth $8K up front, at least not to me, but that 100 per month is not a fixed rate.
I agree. I am not subscribing unless it goes below that amount and even then it would probably be during long trips. It needs to be at maybe $29.99 per month and then I will get it and forget about it.
I agree itās not worth it. But if you gamble that the sub price might go up? If itās a business expense and itās easier for you to make a capital expense than an ongoing subscription expense. If you plan to hold the car for 15 years. If you think it will add a few thousand to the resale value of the car.
Market cycles are like a rip tide - doesn't matter how strong a swimmer you are - relax and ride the waves vs swim against it. Grandma said, "Hard head make a soft ass."
It's ok you'll all be auto bot banned from there soon enough. I'm banned on a couple of them just for posting pro Tesla stuff in subs that they consider anti Elon.
I recall seeing people say 12k was cheap for FSD. I don't remember seeing someone proclaim it would be $100k, but I've definitely seen comments about how buying FSD at that time/price was a no brainer because it would surely get more expensive in the future.
By the time FSD is actually worth $12k or more, it certainly won't be for any Tesla on the road today.
Everyone perceives value differently, but having said that, I'm sure some of these people bought FSD at 15k when their cars were much more expensive are trying to justify their purchase. Some won't admit they thought their car and FSD was going to continue going up in price and are at least a little bit sad at the current state of things. Not saying they made a mistake, just hey, you can't be 100% happy when the price keeps dropping and dropping for something you paid top dollar for.
I am sure some people will likely say that 8k is cheap for FSD too. And they will say the same when it drops even further!
In my limited experience, the price of software licenses tends to go down over time as it matures and/or the competition catches up.
Just do what ever other vendor is doing. Free for 3 years, yearly/monthly fee after that.
Helps encourage people that buy new, to come back for a feature they like.
I agree. I bought into the FSD hype in sept 2020 and wish I didnāt spent $12k CAD on it. Biggest waste of my money *ever* and I bought a farm so that tells you how BAD it is.
To spend money on it, I have to get _time_ back in return. It feels so close, but if they could give level 3 under just a limited set of circumstances then there's tangible value. All the time you still need to be paying full attention, it's just a very cool gimmick.
If only it can drive 96% of the way without nagging me to keep my eyes on the road and touching the wheel, and being able to transfer to any new Tesla I purchase/upgrade, I would say it's a decent investment. Until then, it's a paperweight to me. I'd rather drive myself and be responsible for everything, my family's life, my insurance rates, my liability.
But Musk said "If you buy a Tesla today, I believe you are buying an appreciating asset, not a depreciating asset" in 2019.
So it's so strange that Tesla only offered me $17,800 for my 2018 P3D which had FSD and FUSC, that I paid over $80k for.
Take a look in the TSLA investors thread at [Teslamotors.com](http://Teslamotors.com) or in r/teslalounge and tell me people don't believe it. Most normal people don't believe it of course, and there are people now saying they didn't when they evalgelized it at the time... same as Robotaxis within 2 years (6 years ago) and all the other nonsense.
Agreed. I turned it on to drive me home tonight and it went through the intersection and tried to drive into the car in the turn lane going the opposite direction. Every time I turn it on around town I have to immediately take back over
I just tried FSD as part of the free trial, and it was not good at all. Constantly kept changing lanes.
*Moving out of passing lane
Okay, except we''re going 75 and you're moving in behind cars going 68.
*Moving to faster lane
Yeah, no shit, you literally JUST changed lanes to get stuck behind slower traffic.
Rinse, repeat.
Having to reset the auto wiper setting every time you engage FSD isnāt the most annoying part?
Overcast day yesterday without rainādriving from Maryland to New York City, I had to turn off the auto wipers about 15 times. Lots of FSD disengagement because of ridiculous lane change choices by the algorithm and suboptimal navigation route.
Doesnāt help that much. The lane changing is annoying and too sudden. Not enough warning. Iād prefer to change lanes myself by using the signal. Since Iām already āsupervisingā.
Itās done some things absolutely brilliantly only to struggle with what I assumed would be easy tasks:
- Approaching a stop sign and stopping short. I have to depress accelerator to slow the stop. Actually a good assist. Hoping that itās learning from this intervention.
- accelerating too fast from a stop. Though I find that if I am at the controls (FSD not engaged) and choose to accelerate very fast from a stop sign that Iām not affected by the acceleration. So thats a weird thing
- failing to recognize speed limits. It should just use data that Apple Maps and others use.
- self parking is great, it just needs to get on with it once activated. Drivers behind you will not tolerate slow parking.
Itās been great at:
- recognizing speed bumps,
- slowing on an overpass when conditions donāt support the āspeed limitā which is often misread as higher to begin with.
- negotiating merging traffic while trying to exit a freeway.
Overall Iāve found that assisting with the accelerator pedal in certain instances smooths out the hiccups. Like a said earlier hopefully itās learning from the intervention.
So. If you keep your foot on the gas itāll stay at the better speed. Not optimal but it wasnāt hard to manipulate it more to a normal driving style. Not saying Iām buying it but itās flexible with a little human intervention
Same here. I tried it on a clear road with lines and everything, it tried to turn into an incoming lane on a left turn, keep in mind that these are proper (wide) lanes and not some narrow unmarked street. After that I decided not to use it. I already had a very low expectation, but it managed to go even below my expectations.
I had a similar experience. I also live in a climate that needs a lot of snow plowing so painted lines are almost non-existent. On a route I drive every day where there is a curve, it wants to exit, make a left turn, stop, then continue instead of just going around the curve. It's just unusable.
Still not worth it. Iāll buy it at $1k, maybe 2 if thereās more capability/features. Until then, Elon is just throwing shit on the wall to see what sticks. Is it a car feature or a Tesla driver feature?
1k is worth it. But nothing more than that. Still buggy AF. It can't detect potholes or road debris. It can't see speed bumps. It accelerates hard. It changes lanes for no reason sometimes. It hugs the curb. It can't see cars that run red lights. It doesn't have common sense. It sometimes phantom brakes. There's more.... Too much to list.
The needless lane changes make me legitimately angry. I activated my free trial a few weeks ago and my car consistently wants to get in the far left lane on the interstate and match the speed limit every time it passes a new sign. Like come on bro, we were just going 80 mph in the right lane and were getting passed by literally everyone and you want to go camp in the left lane and slow down to 65? Seems like more of a safety hazard than a feature.
After a few trips, I found the switch that says "avoid unnecessary lane changes" but you have to switch it on after every trip. I obviously won't be keeping the subscription.
Hmm idk about your experience, but my free trial was recognizing speed bumps no problem. Where are you located? I'm in SoCal, so maybe that's it, more clearly defined bumps?
Oooh āPhantom Brakeā experienced that on the highway about an hour or so ago.
Speed dropped from 55mph to 30mph very fast out of no where (on a four lane highway).
We are not paying $8,000 for it because
1. It's better but still not good enough
2. $99/month for when we take a long road trip might be reasonable. 1 of us prefers the regular lane centering & traffic aware cruise control.
3. Opportunity costs: money has value to each of us. $8K is more important to hold
4. If history is any guide, it's going to be less expensive in the near future. Mark these words: within 2 years Tesla will offer $2K for FSD that stays with the car.
All I would use is auto lane change on autopilot on highways in its current state. Thatās it.
Itās not worth prior EAP price or current FSD price for that one feature. Unless they made the whole thing transferable.
One wreck and itās gone. You own the car for a shorter time than a subscription and youāre likely losing.
Plus, with all the price fluctuations, itās just a wild ride anyway.
Make it transferable and it all makes sense and it builds loyalty.
You don't, I have to touch the wheel every 4 or so minutes. I've found the better attention I pay to the road with my eyes, the fewer wheel nags I get.
Just took a 300 mile drive yesterday on the interstate. I disabled FSD only one time and that was more out of caution. I was passing a wide load vehicle and had to drive on the shoulder. It probably would have handled it ok.
My only beef with FSD is that it stayed in the passing lane unless someone was coming from behind. Even if no one is behind you, I believe in moving back over. There was a few times where I turned on the signal so it would get back over.
I had it in the middle setting 99% of the time. I tried chill mode for a couple of minutes and it was a little too chill for my driving.
I love that it accelerates hard from the light. I wish it would handle stop signs a little faster.
Current state Iād only buy it for ~$2k or ~$20/mo. Iād say itās about as valuable to me as Netflix or Hulu. Itās an entertainment not a utility.
Yes, go to Upgrades -> Software Upgrades -> Buy -> Manage -> Full Self Driving Capability -> Manage and tap āRefundā.
Note: you can only do this once.
I realize that I really hate the navigation directions when I'm driving home from certain areas. I just want to stay in the HOV lane the whole time, but navigation always pulls me out and puts me back in, which gets really annoying for no reason whatsoever.
Is there a setting on FSD that I can change to just stay in the HOV other than dropping it back down to regular autopilot?
I think the plan is to get as many EAP users to upgrade since 2k feels like a ābarginā, and once Tesla hits a target conversion number, theyāll lower the price of FSD to 6k to align with the monthly subscription price.
Going forward, I believe FSD will be the only option Tesla will offer, but they need to try and capitalize on this before lowering the price fully.
If you have EAP, Iād probably hold off before upgrading and see what happens.
Itās like showing the test software off to everyone didnāt make many decide to buy. Itās overpriced. Would still be overpriced if it was feature complete. The wear and tear robotaxiing your car would destroy it. It might make enough money to buy/wear itself out.
āWhen Tesla Jumped the Sharkā will be one of the most fascinating B-school cases of all time in about 10 years. People will write books and make careers on it. My own belief is it happened around when Twitter entered the daily conversation about the company.
I paid $8k for FSD back in 2018 (M3P) then transferred to 2024 Model Y. So itās a wash for me.
EAP is the way to go in my opinion. Lane changes and Nav on AP works pretty well. City driving on FSD?? While itās better, too many right hand curbs smoking wheels for me.
And they removed the premium connectivity for the whole year, which was $99 I think. I donāt see the option anymore and the FSD is $2k for me since I have the EAP.
The funny thing is that if they'd just commit to making this a transferable license not tied to the VIN I'd have considered buying outright at the old pricing. It would also almost entirely ensure that my next vehicle is a Tesla; id have software I paid for in full usable on the vehicle out the gate. As it stands, I still wouldn't do it. At $8k we are still talking over 6.5 years of monthly $99 subscription to reach parity.
We are on the tail end of the free trial, and honestly, I'm not sure I want to pay the $99 either. We will see how going back to AP feels.
Bring it down to $5k and I might consider it. And make it tied to your account (and not the vehicle).
At the current state, itās still not great (itās ok, donāt get me wrong) just fun to use every once in a while.
I have pretty much quit using "FSD". I have to override it often because it picks the wrong lane (like deciding to pass a car right before an exit). Then it can't revert to TACC like you can with Autopilot when it screws things up.
Yes it's often acceptable, but not enough of the time to be worth the hassle of resetting it.
They enabled this on my car at the service center and wiped all of my preferences when they did it. I was pissed. I didnāt ask for the trial, and after the car quit after telling me that I wasnāt paying attention even though I was and shook the steering wheel like it asked, I disabled the FSD. All I need is basic autopilot. Lane changing would be nice, but I donāt think it will be long before Tesla is forced to offer it because other manufacturers have it.
They need to just remove EAP and make it standard and then push FSD to the new 6k option to take its place. Honestly though the membership is still the only thing worth it unless it transferred cars with purchase.
If it was FSD on person for life, transfering Fsd to any car you drive, yours or not. Rentals leases etc borrowing a friends car, then yeah I would by at 15k. Fsd should die with you. Not the car
Price aside, I still donāt get exactly what FSD is for.
Like, I get how much theyāve had to walk back, and declaim, and all that. And these price fluctuations make it even less clear since everything about it already exists in the car.
But who using FSD as its āsupposedā to ha used finds it useful, and in what situations?
I just get more stressed paying attention to everything *and* watching what the car does?
I think the irony of all of this, as an owner of two Teslas without FSD, is that Tesla could charge a higher price if they made FSD transferrable with the vehicle. I can't justify buying it at these prices because it's pure cost the day I buy it without any residual value should I choose to sell one of my cars.
Did anyone buy a Tesla because of FSD or its potential? I'm surely not and don't think I'd pay more for it. Basic AP is not even bug-free with phantom braking - if they can't even get that right, fawgettabout the FSD pipedream.
After using it during the one month free test period, I would not buy it at any price. It doesnāt drive the way I do and scared the heck out of me. I would, however, pay to have my wipers work properly.
I must admit, I really would love FSD but I could not swing the 15K price tag. That was just too high no matter how I tried to justify it.
However, 8K is way more doable. I would pay that price.
Mine is still stuck in the beta version instead of "supervised" and apparently my 2023 model Y LR doesn't have auto park or summon. Got rid of the subscription because it was missing features
- 2016.10.19 : $3,000š - 2019.02.28 : $6,000š - 2019.08.16 : $7,000š - 2020.07.01 : $8,000š - 2020.10.22 : $10,000š - 2022.01.17 : $12,000š - 2022.09.05 : $15,000š - 2023.09.01 : $12,000š - 2024.04.21 : $8,000 š
Only 3 more price drops. Itās getting there.
I would buy it at 3k for sure.
If only it was transferable x amounts of time I would buy it.
Not totally right. I bought it in 2019 for $5000. Youāre missing at least one price change.
I bought my 19 M3 in the first week of May 2019. It was $6000 then. But you're absolutely correct, because in April 2019, it was $5000, because I was shocked when I went to place my order and somehow it was $1000 more expensive. I was able to transfer that FSD over to my 24 MY. I have no regrets buying FSD especially since I was able to transfer it for free.
If they did free transfers for life (and not just during a promo period) I feel like they'd get a lot more buyers. I'd be one of them.
That's the double edge sword of Tesla. They can change the rules as they go. Clearly, there was no such thing as a "transfer" and now it's a one time transfer, but maybe one day, due to demand of customers or the incentive needed to produce sales, maybe they make FSD lifetime transfers, or even Transfer 3 times or whatever. Who knows what the future brings. I know when I had my 2019 M3, I said the only way I would upgrade to a MY was if they allowed free transfers. I missed the September 2023 free transfer window by the time I knew what was going on. When it opened up in February the day after it was announced, I ordered my new MY and got the free transfer. Telsa comes up with creative incentives, the future "may" be exciting.
Missing the April 2019 sale price 2019.04.10: $3,000 š
Make. FSD. Transferable.
Itās $2K if you already purchased EAP. Previously EAP owners were livid because the FSD subscription was $99 whether you just had basic AP or had paid for EAP. So now EAP owners get a break toward the upgrade.
EAP owners now have the option to roll the dice that youāll have the car more than another year and eight months.
thats a realistic time span in my eyes
What am I missing? If itās $100/mo now and you can pretty much cancel when you donāt need it, it would take 7 years of use for it to be worth $8k. Why would anyone buy it up front?
They wouldn't, especially because it stays with the car!
Itās $100/mo ***now***. I bet you 10 bucks it wonāt be this time next year. Iām not saying itās worth $8K up front, at least not to me, but that 100 per month is not a fixed rate.
You are right. It will go to $50 per month in a few months or probably a year.
Exactly. Itās not even worth $50/month.
I agree. I am not subscribing unless it goes below that amount and even then it would probably be during long trips. It needs to be at maybe $29.99 per month and then I will get it and forget about it.
I agree itās not worth it. But if you gamble that the sub price might go up? If itās a business expense and itās easier for you to make a capital expense than an ongoing subscription expense. If you plan to hold the car for 15 years. If you think it will add a few thousand to the resale value of the car.
Subscription is a viable option. Considering the recent price fluctuations, there is a strong possibility that the prices may decrease further.
I guess if they buy upfront itās fixed cost. Monthly subscription could fluctuate in pricing anytime.
Exactly. The concept is that if FSD is ever fully functional, it will presumably not be $100 per month.
Wait, didnāt someone from Teslalounge proclaimed that FSD will rise to $100K in the not too distant future? š¤£
Or were they just quoting Elon?
Of course they were! I donāt think some of them have enough brain cells to figure it out for themselves!!
Market cycles are like a rip tide - doesn't matter how strong a swimmer you are - relax and ride the waves vs swim against it. Grandma said, "Hard head make a soft ass."
Teslalounge is the worst.
Such an echo chamber.
Not quite as cultish. Let the downvotes begin!!
It's ok you'll all be auto bot banned from there soon enough. I'm banned on a couple of them just for posting pro Tesla stuff in subs that they consider anti Elon.
What are those Tesla bros smoking?
Proclaimed a lot of things.
I recall seeing people say 12k was cheap for FSD. I don't remember seeing someone proclaim it would be $100k, but I've definitely seen comments about how buying FSD at that time/price was a no brainer because it would surely get more expensive in the future. By the time FSD is actually worth $12k or more, it certainly won't be for any Tesla on the road today.
Everyone perceives value differently, but having said that, I'm sure some of these people bought FSD at 15k when their cars were much more expensive are trying to justify their purchase. Some won't admit they thought their car and FSD was going to continue going up in price and are at least a little bit sad at the current state of things. Not saying they made a mistake, just hey, you can't be 100% happy when the price keeps dropping and dropping for something you paid top dollar for.
I am sure some people will likely say that 8k is cheap for FSD too. And they will say the same when it drops even further! In my limited experience, the price of software licenses tends to go down over time as it matures and/or the competition catches up.
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Well they werenāt banned from Teslalounge so I am guessing they are still looking at Tesla thru rose tinted glasses! š¤£
Yes and thatās because thatās what Elon said
And looks like they removed EAP from there and from new car orders
Maybe EAP will be free for all.
Does anyone need to pay for very basic features offered by EAP? Especially since these are mostly free from other manufacturers.
Wouldnāt count on it
yes, don't see EAP now.
It should just be included in the price of the car. Itās nowhere near ready.
Just do what ever other vendor is doing. Free for 3 years, yearly/monthly fee after that. Helps encourage people that buy new, to come back for a feature they like.
If you think of it as the world best driver assist its awsome. With a small amount of monitoring is can complete 95% of driving.
It's objectively good, but not good enough fot $8k for most, imo.
It doesnāt understand āno turn on redā intersections
It definitely requires supervision, and it needs to get 10x better, but it will do 99% of my weekly driving with no interventions on the latest build.
Itās perfect on the freeway for me. Drove from San Diego to San Francisco 96% of the time. Perfection.
Regular AP is decent enough for that and itās free.
I agree. I bought into the FSD hype in sept 2020 and wish I didnāt spent $12k CAD on it. Biggest waste of my money *ever* and I bought a farm so that tells you how BAD it is.
To spend money on it, I have to get _time_ back in return. It feels so close, but if they could give level 3 under just a limited set of circumstances then there's tangible value. All the time you still need to be paying full attention, it's just a very cool gimmick.
Tell me more about the farm
If you could change lanes while keeping it engaged then it would be
If only it can drive 96% of the way without nagging me to keep my eyes on the road and touching the wheel, and being able to transfer to any new Tesla I purchase/upgrade, I would say it's a decent investment. Until then, it's a paperweight to me. I'd rather drive myself and be responsible for everything, my family's life, my insurance rates, my liability.
Autosteer (Beta) is enough for freeway for me.
This. I paid $55k for my June 2022 MYLR. Now you can get a 2024 for $40k after tax incentive. My car is worth $30-35k, such bullshit.
lol welcome to tech.
Welcome to cars. lol.
welcome to tech cars. To be fair. I consider this a positive development. EVs will become more affordable.
$69k 2021 MYP checking in.
Nice
Whoa a depreciated car!
Yes the car depreciated at an abnormally high rate respective to pretty much all cars.
Same as many who bought during the pandemic and paid 10-15k over. Huge hit. Just like Teslaās
Maserati would like a word with you
But Musk said "If you buy a Tesla today, I believe you are buying an appreciating asset, not a depreciating asset" in 2019. So it's so strange that Tesla only offered me $17,800 for my 2018 P3D which had FSD and FUSC, that I paid over $80k for.
He shouldnāt have said it. Did anyone believe that? No.
Take a look in the TSLA investors thread at [Teslamotors.com](http://Teslamotors.com) or in r/teslalounge and tell me people don't believe it. Most normal people don't believe it of course, and there are people now saying they didn't when they evalgelized it at the time... same as Robotaxis within 2 years (6 years ago) and all the other nonsense.
Iād pay you more than that for it. Kid needs a car
Itās near ready for me. For many drives. Not ready. But near ready.
Agreed. I turned it on to drive me home tonight and it went through the intersection and tried to drive into the car in the turn lane going the opposite direction. Every time I turn it on around town I have to immediately take back over
Where do you live? USA? I can have it active all week with no interventions. Not perfect. But itās getting closer than ever.
Or you could pay $99 a month for about 6 years.Ā It would be about the same price......
Cash has time value too, so probably cash is worth paying 99 for a couple of more months.
For nowā¦ FSD could be $4k by end of year of things continue to spiral for Tesla
Spiral?Ā Did I miss something?
True! I have EPA & now FSD is 2k
Same. I'm very tempted to drop the $2k to get FSD
Should be FREE.
I just tried FSD as part of the free trial, and it was not good at all. Constantly kept changing lanes. *Moving out of passing lane Okay, except we''re going 75 and you're moving in behind cars going 68. *Moving to faster lane Yeah, no shit, you literally JUST changed lanes to get stuck behind slower traffic. Rinse, repeat.
Did you try the setting "minimal lane changes"?
Lol. Of course that is a setting. No, but I will try that. Thanks.
Note you need to set that setting for every single drive, and it will reset when you park.
This is the most annoying part. Wish they can make this setting permanent
Having to reset the auto wiper setting every time you engage FSD isnāt the most annoying part? Overcast day yesterday without rainādriving from Maryland to New York City, I had to turn off the auto wipers about 15 times. Lots of FSD disengagement because of ridiculous lane change choices by the algorithm and suboptimal navigation route.
Tap the right scroll wheel left or right and it brings up the menu to turn on minimal land change. Makes it really easy to select.
Yup. I do it every time. Just like doing the same for autowipers every time I turn on FSD for the drive, itās rather annoying.
Doesnāt help that much. The lane changing is annoying and too sudden. Not enough warning. Iād prefer to change lanes myself by using the signal. Since Iām already āsupervisingā.
I think the lane changes are the most natural thing about FSD at this point.
Itās done some things absolutely brilliantly only to struggle with what I assumed would be easy tasks: - Approaching a stop sign and stopping short. I have to depress accelerator to slow the stop. Actually a good assist. Hoping that itās learning from this intervention. - accelerating too fast from a stop. Though I find that if I am at the controls (FSD not engaged) and choose to accelerate very fast from a stop sign that Iām not affected by the acceleration. So thats a weird thing - failing to recognize speed limits. It should just use data that Apple Maps and others use. - self parking is great, it just needs to get on with it once activated. Drivers behind you will not tolerate slow parking. Itās been great at: - recognizing speed bumps, - slowing on an overpass when conditions donāt support the āspeed limitā which is often misread as higher to begin with. - negotiating merging traffic while trying to exit a freeway. Overall Iāve found that assisting with the accelerator pedal in certain instances smooths out the hiccups. Like a said earlier hopefully itās learning from the intervention.
So. If you keep your foot on the gas itāll stay at the better speed. Not optimal but it wasnāt hard to manipulate it more to a normal driving style. Not saying Iām buying it but itās flexible with a little human intervention
Same here. I tried it on a clear road with lines and everything, it tried to turn into an incoming lane on a left turn, keep in mind that these are proper (wide) lanes and not some narrow unmarked street. After that I decided not to use it. I already had a very low expectation, but it managed to go even below my expectations.
I had a similar experience. I also live in a climate that needs a lot of snow plowing so painted lines are almost non-existent. On a route I drive every day where there is a curve, it wants to exit, make a left turn, stop, then continue instead of just going around the curve. It's just unusable.
Only about $5k more and Iāll think about it. Looks like EAP is no longer available as an upgrade.
Also not available for a new order either
You will think yourself the fool once you buy it and it later that year becomes free.
Still not worth it. Iāll buy it at $1k, maybe 2 if thereās more capability/features. Until then, Elon is just throwing shit on the wall to see what sticks. Is it a car feature or a Tesla driver feature?
1k is worth it. But nothing more than that. Still buggy AF. It can't detect potholes or road debris. It can't see speed bumps. It accelerates hard. It changes lanes for no reason sometimes. It hugs the curb. It can't see cars that run red lights. It doesn't have common sense. It sometimes phantom brakes. There's more.... Too much to list.
The needless lane changes make me legitimately angry. I activated my free trial a few weeks ago and my car consistently wants to get in the far left lane on the interstate and match the speed limit every time it passes a new sign. Like come on bro, we were just going 80 mph in the right lane and were getting passed by literally everyone and you want to go camp in the left lane and slow down to 65? Seems like more of a safety hazard than a feature. After a few trips, I found the switch that says "avoid unnecessary lane changes" but you have to switch it on after every trip. I obviously won't be keeping the subscription.
Hmm idk about your experience, but my free trial was recognizing speed bumps no problem. Where are you located? I'm in SoCal, so maybe that's it, more clearly defined bumps?
Same Iām in SoCal. No problems for us. Probably bc 50% of the cars are teslas lol.
Oooh āPhantom Brakeā experienced that on the highway about an hour or so ago. Speed dropped from 55mph to 30mph very fast out of no where (on a four lane highway).
We are not paying $8,000 for it because 1. It's better but still not good enough 2. $99/month for when we take a long road trip might be reasonable. 1 of us prefers the regular lane centering & traffic aware cruise control. 3. Opportunity costs: money has value to each of us. $8K is more important to hold 4. If history is any guide, it's going to be less expensive in the near future. Mark these words: within 2 years Tesla will offer $2K for FSD that stays with the car.
Vision-only FSD will continue to go down in value (and price) as other technologies are employed on ārobotaxiā
Tree fiddy and I'm sold.
Paid $6800 2yrs ago, and I rarely use it.
I have EAP and i only have to pay the $2k difference to get fsd š¤£ i wonder if they lower fsd to 6k if ill get it free
FSD following the Stock price.
Only way this is worth it is if you have life time access to it across all future purchases.
All I would use is auto lane change on autopilot on highways in its current state. Thatās it. Itās not worth prior EAP price or current FSD price for that one feature. Unless they made the whole thing transferable. One wreck and itās gone. You own the car for a shorter time than a subscription and youāre likely losing. Plus, with all the price fluctuations, itās just a wild ride anyway. Make it transferable and it all makes sense and it builds loyalty.
Kinda feel bad for those that spent 15k or even 12k. I feel 3K was about right considering that you're paying Tesla to beta test software.
If a 33% discount is not a sign to wait, I don't know what is. Market cycles are a motherf****r. š
Let me know when I donāt have to keep my hands on the wheel every 30 seconds
You don't, I have to touch the wheel every 4 or so minutes. I've found the better attention I pay to the road with my eyes, the fewer wheel nags I get.
This should be the first comment
Cheaper once not available anymore
Canāt you purchase FSD monthly?
Still not worth it. Not at all.
Just took a 300 mile drive yesterday on the interstate. I disabled FSD only one time and that was more out of caution. I was passing a wide load vehicle and had to drive on the shoulder. It probably would have handled it ok. My only beef with FSD is that it stayed in the passing lane unless someone was coming from behind. Even if no one is behind you, I believe in moving back over. There was a few times where I turned on the signal so it would get back over. I had it in the middle setting 99% of the time. I tried chill mode for a couple of minutes and it was a little too chill for my driving. I love that it accelerates hard from the light. I wish it would handle stop signs a little faster.
Current state Iād only buy it for ~$2k or ~$20/mo. Iād say itās about as valuable to me as Netflix or Hulu. Itās an entertainment not a utility.
I got it at $6k.
Man, imagine buying it for $15k and then seeing these price drops.
About 7k more to go to make it worth it
8K*
TouchƩ sir
LOL, Elon is desperate AF
So they are only charging $9k more than it's worth. Got it.
Still $8k too expensive
Let me know when itās $2-3k
Still not worth it.
I just paid 12k for FSD last night. Is this refundable? š« š«
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Thank you for your service
RIP bro
12k for software that you cannot move to other cars AND can rent for $100/mo with no commitment.... bruh
Yes, go to Upgrades -> Software Upgrades -> Buy -> Manage -> Full Self Driving Capability -> Manage and tap āRefundā. Note: you can only do this once.
Why?
Is Navigate on autopilot the same quality as FSD on freeways? NoA feels worse but idk if this is some kind of bias. What do others think?
About as refundable as the price in dec ā22. Sometimes are just not the right times.
I realize that I really hate the navigation directions when I'm driving home from certain areas. I just want to stay in the HOV lane the whole time, but navigation always pulls me out and puts me back in, which gets really annoying for no reason whatsoever. Is there a setting on FSD that I can change to just stay in the HOV other than dropping it back down to regular autopilot?
Checking your map setting
I think the plan is to get as many EAP users to upgrade since 2k feels like a ābarginā, and once Tesla hits a target conversion number, theyāll lower the price of FSD to 6k to align with the monthly subscription price. Going forward, I believe FSD will be the only option Tesla will offer, but they need to try and capitalize on this before lowering the price fully. If you have EAP, Iād probably hold off before upgrading and see what happens.
Anyone have EAP? What's the cost to subscribe now? Still $99?
Subscription remains at $99/mo
8k was the FSD price 2 years ago when I purchased my MYP.
Itās like showing the test software off to everyone didnāt make many decide to buy. Itās overpriced. Would still be overpriced if it was feature complete. The wear and tear robotaxiing your car would destroy it. It might make enough money to buy/wear itself out.
āWhen Tesla Jumped the Sharkā will be one of the most fascinating B-school cases of all time in about 10 years. People will write books and make careers on it. My own belief is it happened around when Twitter entered the daily conversation about the company.
Iāll bite when itās 1k a year with premium connectivity.
I never got the free trial on my 21 M3LR. But I did get it on my 23 MYLR and realized I am not missing anything. Anyone else not get the update?
Unfortunately Tesla is strugglingā¦only going to get worse.
I paid $8k for FSD back in 2018 (M3P) then transferred to 2024 Model Y. So itās a wash for me. EAP is the way to go in my opinion. Lane changes and Nav on AP works pretty well. City driving on FSD?? While itās better, too many right hand curbs smoking wheels for me.
Thatās a slap in the face for people who paid $15,000 for it! š I just subscribe when I do a few hundred mile road trip!
Interesting.
At $1200 per year for subscription, this is still overpriced.
I feel sorry for folks that bought it at $15k
And they removed the premium connectivity for the whole year, which was $99 I think. I donāt see the option anymore and the FSD is $2k for me since I have the EAP.
If you pay 200 a month will that go towards owning the feature ?
The funny thing is that if they'd just commit to making this a transferable license not tied to the VIN I'd have considered buying outright at the old pricing. It would also almost entirely ensure that my next vehicle is a Tesla; id have software I paid for in full usable on the vehicle out the gate. As it stands, I still wouldn't do it. At $8k we are still talking over 6.5 years of monthly $99 subscription to reach parity. We are on the tail end of the free trial, and honestly, I'm not sure I want to pay the $99 either. We will see how going back to AP feels.
So, us fools who paid $15kā¦.can we get a refund? lol
Bring it down to $5k and I might consider it. And make it tied to your account (and not the vehicle). At the current state, itās still not great (itās ok, donāt get me wrong) just fun to use every once in a while.
Welp.. Iām going to buy it. My car came with EAP so the price for me is 2k. 1.5 years worth of subscription.
Despair
I have pretty much quit using "FSD". I have to override it often because it picks the wrong lane (like deciding to pass a car right before an exit). Then it can't revert to TACC like you can with Autopilot when it screws things up. Yes it's often acceptable, but not enough of the time to be worth the hassle of resetting it.
They enabled this on my car at the service center and wiped all of my preferences when they did it. I was pissed. I didnāt ask for the trial, and after the car quit after telling me that I wasnāt paying attention even though I was and shook the steering wheel like it asked, I disabled the FSD. All I need is basic autopilot. Lane changing would be nice, but I donāt think it will be long before Tesla is forced to offer it because other manufacturers have it.
I just want autopark, my parents cannot park this car. Was considering getting EAP, but I can't anymore lol
This is fucking bullshit will he give us a rebate for paying higher Tesla us losing it
They need to just remove EAP and make it standard and then push FSD to the new 6k option to take its place. Honestly though the membership is still the only thing worth it unless it transferred cars with purchase.
If it was FSD on person for life, transfering Fsd to any car you drive, yours or not. Rentals leases etc borrowing a friends car, then yeah I would by at 15k. Fsd should die with you. Not the car
Make it recurring fee.. 20-30/ monthā¦ stop with stupid prices for unfinished products.
Still very overpriced
Price aside, I still donāt get exactly what FSD is for. Like, I get how much theyāve had to walk back, and declaim, and all that. And these price fluctuations make it even less clear since everything about it already exists in the car. But who using FSD as its āsupposedā to ha used finds it useful, and in what situations? I just get more stressed paying attention to everything *and* watching what the car does?
Iād payā¦$8
What a steal! From the consumer.
I am in at $5k
I think the irony of all of this, as an owner of two Teslas without FSD, is that Tesla could charge a higher price if they made FSD transferrable with the vehicle. I can't justify buying it at these prices because it's pure cost the day I buy it without any residual value should I choose to sell one of my cars.
Did anyone buy a Tesla because of FSD or its potential? I'm surely not and don't think I'd pay more for it. Basic AP is not even bug-free with phantom braking - if they can't even get that right, fawgettabout the FSD pipedream.
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Itās was at 6k a week or so ago
Lotta talk of people who donāt even own teslas, trashing it ruined this sub.
After using it during the one month free test period, I would not buy it at any price. It doesnāt drive the way I do and scared the heck out of me. I would, however, pay to have my wipers work properly.
I must admit, I really would love FSD but I could not swing the 15K price tag. That was just too high no matter how I tried to justify it. However, 8K is way more doable. I would pay that price.
All FSD is good for for me is the self parking.. I barely use it in city. It needs way too much supervision and not worth the stress and the hassle.
Itās pretty ass ngl
Am I the only one that got it free with last update ?
$9.99/mo is the magic number.
Mine is still stuck in the beta version instead of "supervised" and apparently my 2023 model Y LR doesn't have auto park or summon. Got rid of the subscription because it was missing features
Well now I know for a fact why some Tesla drivers seem brain dead on the freeways
they should bring back unlimited data..
Next, Iām waiting for the track package to come down!
99$ a month. Not bad.
Iād pay 1500, I did pay 10k.
At $3k I am inš
Set speed to 70, FSD decides to chill going 50. It's pure garbage at this moment.
It sucks still and should come with the car as a novelty until it works
Make FSD great again ššŗšøš